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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know about it. We got another

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Speaker 2: Is there? We got another one. Man. We appreciate you, bro,

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Speaker 2: no doubt. Just wanted to let you know what's up.

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Speaker 3: This might be the biggest one that started as far

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Speaker 3: as Trent saitting in this straight out of high school ship.

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Speaker 2: This is the biggest say that. Now, this is this

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Speaker 2: is the biggest man. Man, Thank y'all for having me. Man,

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Speaker 2: straight up, I'm huge fans of y'all. Straight up. If

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Speaker 1: Yeah, first question we asked everybody, Yeah you first got

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Speaker 2: The first person to welcome me to the lead, as

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Speaker 2: I call it, to bust my ass was Big Dog

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Speaker 2: clean rough. Yeah, he's straight off coming off getting eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all remember Big Dog ash for

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Speaker 2: a hunting Yeah, and I'm worth it and I'm worth it,

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Speaker 2: and all the old heads got crazy. He might everybody

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Speaker 2: made everybody go in the uproars again. Rook, get here

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Speaker 2: for that pen live right, That's what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 2: he was killed. He was a lot of people didn't

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Speaker 2: know that Big Dog played four and five in high

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Speaker 2: But he slashed Gary Indiana, super G, super G, you

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Speaker 2: to the league and uh program, Yeah, yeah, my bad

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Speaker 2: Chicago program called it. It's like the of the If

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Speaker 2: you got some game, you bring your ass in there

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Speaker 2: and you're either gonna get boot or they gonna cheer

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Speaker 2: you know, you gotta go down there. If you're in

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Speaker 2: You know, we get into uh, you know, you know, preseason,

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Speaker 2: we got to meet in one of these little town

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Speaker 2: in like Billions got Midwest and he was like, yeah, welcome,

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Speaker 2: And you know, I had never chased the screens, so

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Speaker 2: he ain't putting it down. Boom, he going up to

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Speaker 2: dribble pull us wonder like all that shit win't used

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. He was like, yeah, yeah, just gonna be

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Speaker 2: We get to like maybe two months inting, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I got like twenty some games under me. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: We live on location. We out here in La La Land, y'all.

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. Tell us about South Carolina coming up in South.

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Speaker 2: Carolina, South cap man like South Cak at the time.

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Speaker 2: They were here figures and polo. This first time I

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Speaker 2: At No, I was everybody's same size, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: But this right here, messing up became then Westbury out

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Speaker 2: there pig get it up and Derek Colemans were his

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Speaker 2: favorite player. You know how the old school nigga. Yeah, yeah, up, copman,

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Speaker 2: other things. And then slowly but surely I started getting better.

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Speaker 2: my neckg was like what you know. Mom's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: new school clothes for you. Yeah. It was yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but South Carolina was a great place to grow up.

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Speaker 2: And then the parks was just live. You know. I

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Speaker 2: up there and that's where I got better playing older players,

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Speaker 2: raised me. What grade was it? When they clicked, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is it for me. I love this eighth grade.

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Speaker 2: Shout to my dog. But he backing many doing this

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Speaker 2: thing and ship. He used to always that's when Sports

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Speaker 3: Jordan's That's how you know it's old school, nothing about nothing.

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Speaker 2: Sports Center, Go to school, come home and then watch

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Speaker 2: Sports Center, watch the highlights and sports and then go

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Speaker 3: In my hood, we used to call I'm Jordan today,

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Speaker 3: I'm Dominique today. I'm like we call him that players,

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Speaker 3: I'm him today, You'll be Barkley today.

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Speaker 2: Then you know what I'm saying. We did. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you're wrest I don't know if y'all wrestled,

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Speaker 2: but I grew up a huge wrestling finds dust the role,

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Speaker 2: Rick Flair, all this ship, so all this is going

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Speaker 4: On the wrestling.

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Speaker 3: Right up to the else joints righting on them.

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Speaker 2: You hear me now, you hear me now. But eighth

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Speaker 2: I'm doing this, I'm playing And there was more off

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Speaker 2: of trying to be better than what was around me.

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Speaker 2: You were saying people that were better. Well, I was

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Speaker 2: seeing people that I actually looked up to who could play, Like,

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Speaker 4: Who's that one dude that don't nobody know who he was?

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Speaker 1: And Gold there, but that was just your guy, and

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Speaker 1: that was the guy you was trying to be building

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Speaker 1: then and all everybody in the hood know he was good.

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Speaker 4: He might not have played in high school and all

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Speaker 2: He just might have been another who was Reggie gold

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Speaker 2: smell my dog gold Man. Gold was like Gold Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm a paint. Gold. Gold was like the older cat

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Speaker 2: And he the one that was pushing me. But Baar

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you came up in the kind of circuit that

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Speaker 1: in the day when you used to go to them camps. Hell,

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Speaker 1: when you go to them camps, you see them dogs

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Speaker 2: Around, Like who was some of them dogs and some

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Speaker 1: You were saying, like, yeah, I got to bring my

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Speaker 2: Man. I don't know if y'all remember these guys, but

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Speaker 3: From Michigan, y'all, I'm gonna tell your story. Let me look.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you how the world. Let me tell

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Speaker 3: you how they cheated. Right, So the first time I

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Speaker 3: I'm like eighth grade. You know, I'm playing with au

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Speaker 3: with Butler. But I'm gonna you know, this is like

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Speaker 3: been Wolf. I can't remember. It was somebody he talking

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Speaker 3: craft were sitting over here at the older people games, right,

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Speaker 2: So I'm sitting over there. We all meet, see there, DJs.

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Speaker 3: We watching the older guys this, that, and the third

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Speaker 2: He talked about this.

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Speaker 3: When they come in, it's him, Albert White track the

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Speaker 2: We're OHIOO. I said, man, what them like?

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Speaker 3: So then when they finally show up, it's like they

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Speaker 3: thing like this. When I'm first like really found out

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Speaker 2: Y'all was cheat. A white six eight wing man, God

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Speaker 2: damn booming man bitchwas here. He like c probably about saying,

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Speaker 2: I lost him and him and Derek hood Man, they

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, when I first got into camps,

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Speaker 2: that was even rank. That was just all out just

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Speaker 2: playing like Patterson. They're all out right played them against

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Speaker 2: these two seven foot twins down in Myrtle Beach that

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Speaker 2: big fella. You ain't big enough. There. I hated then.

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Speaker 2: That's what made me even go so hard because I

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Speaker 2: hated that I don't really I mean, I ain't strong Like, nah,

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Speaker 2: you ain't strong enough. I'm the toughest out of everybody

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Speaker 2: in the toughest. That to drive me, man, you know

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Speaker 2: you better. You competitive, it's gonna it's gonna really drive

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Speaker 2: you can't get back on this court. Yeah, No, it

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Speaker 2: ain't ain't no going. I gotta go. I gotta scratch

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when did you decide to like this was a

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Speaker 3: like Ronnie and all of that. When was that even

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Speaker 2: Tixth grade, I went to Indianapolis for the Nike camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I get in there and we get you know,

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Speaker 2: Then and Ai got in actually, Aya got in trouble

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Speaker 2: to jail, all that shit. And then my mom was like,

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Speaker 2: It was getting weird, trying to get you bread just

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Speaker 1: Was crazy with that count where you solidified yourself. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: That's what put me on the map. Bob Gimmons after

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Speaker 2: that was like, yeah, best big man. Woo. Ron Mercer.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know Ron Mercer. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I've seen Ron Mercer. Ron Mercer had some problems with

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Speaker 2: little people like these. Somebody gave you one of these.

427
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 2: This ship was the only thing you was like looking for.

428
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,960
Speaker 2: I was like, man, who is Sharif I dou Raheem?

429
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,679
Speaker 2: Who is this? Who is Robert Traylan, Tim Thomason. I

430
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 2: was just looking at all these names that was in

431
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 2: front of me, and I was like damn. And then

432
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, scholastic Sports came out start showing

433
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 2: like little bits and pieces of guys where they was.

434
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 2: So I would see a nigga on film. Oh ship,

435
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 2: damn Tim Thomas, Damn. It looked like me like a

436
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 2: little brothers Damn right, a super go get out of Patterson.

437
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Andre Patterson down in Dallas,

438
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 2: I was like, damn. So it gave me kind of

439
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 2: a window to see what the competition was. But then

440
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to see what I looked like up against.

441
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 2: I wanted to see it, whether it was a guard

442
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 2: or not. Didn't care again, play against, I didn't care.

443
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,200
Speaker 2: But me and Ronnie became not good friends, but really

444
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 2: best friends after that camp. And that's what put me

445
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,679
Speaker 2: on the map. Yeah, that camp, that Nike camp in Indianapolis.

446
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 4: You know, Chicago is different, very different that Red West.

447
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 4: Like you allowed.

448
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: That's that's different, that's not that's not the regular conference

449
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: doing from where you play at and how the atmosphere

450
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 1: was to like you see how this atmosphere was down here,

451
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:29,959
Speaker 1: How was that for you?

452
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 2: That adjustment? Well, South Carolina, because now when you start

453
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: to get good, now everybody at the park, now everybody

454
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: at your games. And then By the way, maman didn't

455
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: even know I was playing ball. Ye what I'm saying

456
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: that Slevin. You know what I'm saying. I did this

457
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: for like two three years, had had to kept it

458
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: from her, and then yeah, it all hit the fan.

459
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: But coming to Chicago, well, let me just back up

460
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 2: a little bit. In South cat you don't get a

461
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: name unless you do this. Yeah, you gotta you gotta

462
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 2: play everywhere. You gotta play it at the y m

463
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 2: c A on Saturdays. You gotta lead that go over

464
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 2: here and play. You gotta go over to North North Green.

465
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 2: But over here Travis Rest, they planning. So I was

466
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 2: known for that many I'm over here on the bike everywhere.

467
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 2: I'm everywhere, though, so I'm getting respect from that, like,

468
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 2: oh okay, yeah that's nigga from all he woo. So

469
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: that changes to him. Nah, that's big fella. Big fella,

470
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 2: he'll slap your ship, he'll dunk on your start getting

471
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: that right. A get in trouble, I go to to

472
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 2: go and the first thing we land is you gotta

473
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 2: First off, I'm getting I got to get a download

474
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: of Chicago one on one on how to survive. And

475
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: that's when it hit me like, boy, you're you're being

476
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: a stove and the nigga come in here and he'll

477
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: clean you just because you're in the way. You gotta

478
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: know a B and C. You gotta know if it's

479
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: hat left or right, if it's paying stayed like this.

480
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,239
Speaker 2: You gotta know over here's this, over here's that, This

481
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 2: means this, this means woo woo. Look on this block

482
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 2: you woo woo woo. And you gotta know it. Like

483
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: on time, I'm like, damn, what if I just got here?

484
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: My bag ain't even on the ground. Yeah, I just

485
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 2: got I just got it. This is what it is

486
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: because here you can die. And I was like, damn.

487
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: And that's how Wolf said it. It wasn't no in

488
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 2: between and nothing that was on the rock, you know

489
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So we get some well we get

490
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 2: but my mom here is my mom ain't even tripping.

491
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, yeah, you know what, Yeah, yep, he

492
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: need yep, yep, he need that yep. So she on

493
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: some like mom shit, y'all know, mom shit. She go

494
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: back in the airport. Leave so I'm up here, so

495
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: you know, you win it. And the first thing we

496
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: do is we did a video for some niggas who

497
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: was shooting the video, and the video is called the

498
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: Booty Bounce, and they wanted some niggas in the back

499
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 2: of the background to boot so you can look this up. Girl,

500
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: let me get your booty bound listen. So it was

501
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: definitely it was definitely some BT late night ship shout shout,

502
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: shout out the al of the White Boy, everybody on

503
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: the west side of California. So we get back there.

504
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. What was dope is they

505
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 2: took us up the Madison bought us a little outfit ship.

506
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: So you know, I had a Madison Karl Kanile on

507
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: you see me. I'm like, oh this is a cool right.

508
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: So we're getting in here running like yeah, this right here,

509
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: California this while the travelers that, oh this over here.

510
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: You know, you know Ronnie big deep ass grow man voice,

511
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: we kids, he got deep as this over here, right right.

512
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: So we get to playing in The niggas were playing

513
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 2: to get started like to I don't I don't want

514
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: to say for real, but you know they won't do whatever.

515
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: So it turned into a real game like to ship.

516
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't even know what to call it,

517
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: but I want to say me and Ronnie just transformed,

518
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: start dogging these niggas. He throwing a lot boom boom,

519
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: And the next thing you know, it's a crowd out here,

520
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: about maybe three hundred four hundred people out here, people

521
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: making noise on the gate, looking top of ship. Oh

522
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: this nigga running out here. Just whoa, there's no when

523
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: a five on five. Man. I don't know if I

524
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: was just angry or I was just I don't I

525
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: don't even know, but I threw the niggas shot ship

526
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: out of here, No, no, mine fuck out of here.

527
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: I was just and Wolf was like, yeah, don't let

528
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: don't let that nigga score, and then we run the

529
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: video shoot. Wolf was like, nah, so I was just

530
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: out here, just dunking on niggas, out letting, blowing, spinning,

531
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: all types of wild ship right and uh, he was like,

532
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you down to Kenny King on the

533
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: South Side. We're gonna play in that little uh they

534
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: got a little summer league down there. We're gonna jump

535
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: down there, and I played Derek Cheevers. I don't know

536
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: if y'all know Chief they call that nigga the bend

537
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: a man played with a tooth pick in his mouth

538
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: the whole game. It was killing me. Right, Yeah, welcome

539
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: to Chicago, young fella, keep working. I walked out, man

540
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: on the South side of Niggas Boom, take your country

541
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: ash back home. You suck you think nigga the Chicago

542
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: you ain't ship Woop was like, come on, this's all right, right.

543
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: I fucked that, and I fucked that. I fuck that.

544
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: I fuck that. I'm playing tomorrow said no, no, no, no, no,

545
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: they don't want you to. And I fucked that. I'm

546
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: playing who tomorrow? Sean Griffin, Oh yeah, I'm playing. I

547
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: don't even know who that is.

548
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: But Timmy Hamilton, this like the King of Kings down.

549
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: You don't even know nothing, big fella, y'all big anything? Right?

550
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: He was mean, Yeah, I didn't get no fucks. Came

551
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: in and gave that nigga that work, and man, the

552
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: nigga stood up, gave me a standing over, and that's

553
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: how I got introduced to Chicago. But I was with

554
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: it from day one. I was like, oh, yeah, this, yeah,

555
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: this is different from South Cap, but yeah, the ball

556
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: is it's still the same shit.

557
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: Tell me when I don't have to ask if tell

558
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 3: me when was the first time that like you was

559
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: playing and like you definitely the drump, but like, when

560
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: was the first time you saw like, oh wait, this

561
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: motherfucker tried to like do some shit like that hurt

562
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: me or something like try to do some dirty shit.

563
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: I know it happened at some point in the Red West.

564
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 3: I know it happened.

565
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: Like when you play like I'm gonna tell you something,

566
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: I'll tell y'all this story. I'm seeing him thinking when

567
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: you say this, and I'm thinking about how we used

568
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: to practice. Wolf would never let us practice against each other.

569
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: He would bring all the old niggas from Farragut from

570
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: sixteen you was getting sucked up then man Dad was

571
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: resting Peace's Elsie. All the CVL niggas that went to

572
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: Ferry would come up there, super deep and scrimmage just school.

573
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: All these niggas would come up there and all these

574
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 2: ogs right, they're falling going, none of you cutting. You

575
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: niggas about to scrap all this. So when we played Marshall,

576
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: we played uh West House, all these little scrappy fucking teams.

577
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: It was like no Western House. Biggest man was my

578
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: center six five.

579
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: But he had hard. He had I forget his name,

580
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: started like that. They coming about four six one in

581
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: small the whole jump, all of them can jump. Jimmy,

582
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: look Jimmy saying ship like Western house man, like three

583
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: bounds like the West was just grimy, like they answer

584
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: your question, man, I can't even I would just remember

585
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: playing people like Whitney Young or playing mother fucking Marshall

586
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: or Lincoln or something, and they just had a little

587
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: grimy team that under country. They're gonna trap you. They

588
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: doing all this ship, we ain't doing them throw it

589
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: on top, lobbing, dunking, you swatten your ship, talking ship

590
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: right back. And then we got the essays traveling with it.

591
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: We got the whole failure two hundred deep. When we

592
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: go somewhere.

593
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: I remember y'all came down to Saint Louis that class.

594
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: That was the first time I got a chance to

595
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: see but.

596
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: Sean Man and you and Ryan was dunking in that jone.

597
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: Y'all listen, y'all tow it up and there listen, that's

598
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: the night Wolf. Knew that we had pro scouts in there.

599
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: He was like, hey, yeah, bring the ball up. I

600
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: was like, what, bring the ball up. I was like, initiate.

601
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, I want you initiate the offense. Whant

602
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 2: these I want these? I want these scouts to see you. Yeah,

603
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna go crazy on that. And then but Sean

604
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: had like three seven foot niggas. Then they had, but

605
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: Sean had like a six nine nigga. At the point,

606
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, like man for the be shy bitch,

607
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: the nigga don't want this ship. God damn, we fucked off,

608
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: bitch you nigga out here. The wolf looked back on

609
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: the bus like, hey man, y'all, y'all hold that ship now. Man,

610
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: we ain't got saying then we ain't stopping it, no

611
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: stop like see to keep keep going, no stoping, no stop.

612
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: We look we went through, he's saying, and then stopping

613
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: no lights. That was that was the advice the joint.

614
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: How was it seeing a young you know, God bless

615
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: that My classmate Michael right, he was a freshman with

616
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: our boys.

617
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Black Black was a resting peace to my right. Man, dude,

618
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: But we were playing practice one on ones out there

619
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: because he wanted to play one on ones a lot.

620
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: If you know, black super diesel, super strong, and all

621
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: left hand. He ain't going right, I don't care, so

622
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: what block it there? And then he ain't got no jump,

623
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: but he gonna you know, read so man ice to

624
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: ice to storm every day you ain't good enoughing then

625
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: just talk crazy to him. What I didn't know is

626
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: that he was doing this. He will go home, be

627
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: mad and lift all the weights straight up. You know,

628
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: might from the village, man black from the village. Y'all

629
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: even know what that is. The village don't even ain't

630
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: even a round no more. But the village got one

631
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: way in and they had one way out. So you

632
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: went there. Who it was all gd's and they're not working.

633
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: So you know you have to get from going in

634
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: all that ship and then you know, somebody get foul.

635
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: Hard to hear the whole building, I don't notice. So yeah,

636
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: that's what I can't explain about Chicago, that some of

637
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: the atmospheres you play in actually make you tougher or

638
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: give you a certain pedigree that you were able to.

639
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: I learned how to finesse, and I learned how to

640
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: get us out of situations by being in situation. That

641
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: right there helped me be an NBA leader when I

642
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: got to the league, man, I was able to give

643
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: my opinion and then be silent. I knew when to

644
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: talk with not too. I kept ship over here. I

645
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 2: was always listening.

646
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: You knew how to around.

647
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: It was an easy adjustment because I've been hooping with

648
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: grown folks and being around them for so long that

649
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I know how to adjust with them.

650
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: And them street niggas they different. You know, they really

651
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: run this whole ship. You know when they when they

652
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: say something, that ship is lost. And they really rock

653
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: with the athletes.

654
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: Took care of us since the athletes like, hey, hold up,

655
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: many sort of get your around here.

656
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: What you've been doing in this area right now? You

657
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So like that was what we

658
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: grew up in. Ever since Ben Wilson Man in that

659
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: situation went down with him, I think they street guys

660
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: start cuffing guys and started like giving them direction because

661
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: a lot of kids too didn't have a lot of

662
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: script And believe it or not, a lot of these

663
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: kids didn't have parents. A lot of these kids didn't

664
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: have no mom. They grandma raising them. They out here

665
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: on the court letting it out. You know what I'm saying.

666
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I thank God for the goal. Man.

667
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: The goal got me ready for the league, and he

668
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: got me ready for life. So who gave you.

669
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: The where you can express yourself on the court? That's

670
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: what when was that I'm talking about? That's when it

671
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: all came into it. And like, yeah, like man Yale,

672
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: like holler because I came from that era where you

673
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: holler when you dunk and you scream, you talk your noise, man,

674
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: But who gave it where you can just really just

675
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: express yourself between these lines?

676
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, in South Carolina had a coach named Duke Fisher.

677
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: He was an old white coach who coached football, but

678
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: he had a passion for basketball. He went to North Carolina.

679
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 2: Is to always talk about Dean Smith and always talk

680
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: about North Carolina. You know, northlin the system to go down,

681
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: come up, So we come up in that. So any

682
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: hot dogging, blocking, yelling or not in your face, you

683
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 2: might get slapped, might get bench shit you ass down.

684
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: It's like some Southern ship, Like, no, we don't do

685
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: that ship. So you know, if you watch my tape

686
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: in Martin, I would go dunk the ball, run back, shot,

687
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: run back. You know it was nothing. Wolf was like amen,

688
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, woolf talking to you like like one of

689
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: the guys. Hey man blocking ship and then let it

690
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: know about it, you know, man, man, No, I ain't

691
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: ask you, motherfucker black man ship man. And then I

692
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: was almost like, you know, you got that little homie

693
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: and your little homie really want to cuss, and you're like,

694
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: what you want to say? Motherfucker? Go ahead? What else

695
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: you want to say? Ass? What do you want to say?

696
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: God damn? I was like that Wolf was like, I mean,

697
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: you know you got something you want to get out, man,

698
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: let it out, man, you'll be holding that in here.

699
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: It's like you're right. So when I would get on

700
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: the court, I would always be like peace. When I

701
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: blocked your shot, I would always say that, like peace,

702
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: like the piece up like peace, no mine, funk out

703
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: of here, funk out of here, no man. So I

704
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: would be blocking shots grabby putting the red and he

705
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: gave me that freedom of expression. I bring the ball

706
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: up on another big and I see he ain't like.

707
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: So he started to help me like really express myself

708
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: through the skill because he saw what I would work

709
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: on after practice and all the things I wanted to

710
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: be better at. He was like Man, you gotta start

711
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: implementing that into the game. You gotta do that shit

712
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: with some energy, man. So I would do it with that. Nah,

713
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: you ain't going hard to do it over. And then

714
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: that shit was to brillily do it over, man, That's

715
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: how you're gonna do it. And the more he kept

716
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: doing that and just it was just turning me and

717
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: Wolf knew how to actually ignite me, and then he

718
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: would get the fuck out the way. You know, one night,

719
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: I was just super sick and then feel like playing.

720
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: He was like, you think Mike joryan gonna sit down

721
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: when he's sick, like he was doo shit like that, right,

722
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And this ain't the right time.

723
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, I'm sick as fuck right now,

724
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: but if i can't even stand up, we'll get some

725
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: water and then let me know if you don't want

726
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: to play there and this work out. Just let the

727
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: team down. They got really but he knew I was

728
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: gonna go anyway because I'm scratching, you know what I'm

729
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: saying every time, and then Woof would take us on

730
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: a Saturday. We wouldn't have no time on a Saturday.

731
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: Saturday wake up, get some breakfast, drop all the way

732
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: out south Side, play at Kenny King, come back, get

733
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: some lunch, go to Malcolm X, go down on Roosevelt

734
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Boys Club, and then go all the way over to

735
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: Leclaire Courts. Get some dinner, come back, watch tape on

736
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: somebody like Ben Wilson, a big Dog or Chris Webb

737
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: or some shit. Because he had tapes all day. I

738
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: don't know, but y'all, coach Michael tapes. It's nine o'clock.

739
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: You're drained. Ain't no time in no game, Ain't no

740
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: girl to sleep, man, you sleep nexting look Sunday morning. Yeah,

741
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: So I thank God for that structure. But Wolf was

742
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: the first person to give me that expression, and that

743
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: actually tell me it was okay to be like this.

744
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: But when you started making it okay, that ship rubbed

745
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people the wrong way. What kept you

746
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: in it? Like fuck that, I'm gonna express myself all

747
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: the time. That's how I'm in it. I'm staying like

748
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm standing on it like whatever.

749
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: Sometimes you can shy away from.

750
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: I can't beat myself now, not that environment. But at

751
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: the same time too, I'm not like what happened in

752
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: the goal. I'll be honest, just in the go. But

753
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm talking when you get to the league, like I started,

754
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: you you standing on whatever you want? Man, that ship

755
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: out here, Man, what you saying? That ship out here

756
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: and this nigga played football? It is what it is

757
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: out here. I'm here with four other nigga. Who's gonna

758
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: go with me out here? So I ain't ben in

759
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: the go Just like you said, Bro, it's structure out here.

760
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: Now show up. You know, I'm talking about the essays

761
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: that come from Fergy, but I'm also talking about who

762
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: it Ronnie? Who with Frank Who with us? And then

763
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: you know, once the neighborhood got behind us, man, it

764
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: was over man.

765
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: Once we really got to understand. Like when I swear

766
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: to you, Bro, that red wet Like Bro, it's times

767
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: we didne went into Western House and like the hood,

768
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: like the guys they ever doing the warm up standing

769
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: there like yeah yeah, and you gotta be like, don't

770
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: matter if you like Like the first time it happened,

771
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm a sophomore, I'm like, oh ship, I'm like what

772
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm like. I was kind of looking around like then

773
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: I said fuck you because if you don't they got you.

774
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Yo, sow like bitch ok

775
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: with the city were coming in here, we running the

776
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: whole West Side, and we all from the Huntings got

777
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: some suckers and it was how it was, you know

778
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: me because the Gates and Cordell played against you as

779
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: they was there as fresh when I came sophomore. So

780
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm gonna be the crazy one there, like

781
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: fuck it.

782
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: And for y'all who don't know what the Wild Hunters are,

783
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: those are super projects projects that got them. That's south

784
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: Side ship, that's outside Oh yeah, that's what's.

785
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: At what point that year did you say, all right,

786
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, because, like you said, colleges all

787
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: over you.

788
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: No, man, I was having problems with this fucking test man,

789
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: that fucking a C T S E T Ship. Couldn't

790
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: you want to go to Michigan. I was going to

791
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: Michigan as soon as I got my great as soon

792
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: as I got anything. I was going to Michigan, even

793
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: though when I went, when I went for my visit,

794
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: I went to go see a Michigan Michigan State game,

795
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: got to meet Webbing everybody, and it was a dope experience.

796
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: But I guess it was just how I was living.

797
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: I was, you know, my mom had left us up there,

798
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: so it was me and my younger sister, and I was,

799
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: you know, having responsibility, and yeah, I want moving like

800
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: no high school kids. So when I went up to

801
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: Michigan to go whop you know, they was like, oh, yeah,

802
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: we got to go ask the assistant coach and get

803
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 2: the keys. And I was like, can we go over here?

804
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: Like oh yeah, we gotta go get to and just

805
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: how they had to go, how they was moving, want moving.

806
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: I want moving the same like that, like man, And

807
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: that always bothered me, not even the structuring of it,

808
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: just that I had to go get permission to go

809
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: do X one some of the simplest shit right And

810
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I ain't really thinking like y'.

811
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: And then I would hear some of the conversations I'll

812
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: be seeing here listening like I don't do that shit

813
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: at the cribs, like who he is here? Like the

814
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: are real kids? Oh you got a mom and dad? Okay,

815
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: you can call them, Okay, you can get okay. So

816
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: my mentality was totally different from the kids that was

817
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: in college right away, and yeah, just at the time.

818
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: I didn't even know how they even fathom none of that.

819
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: And I told the story man, matter of fact, this

820
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: either before I go to McDonald's. Yeah, just before I

821
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: go to me dollars. But I get my testing out

822
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: didn't pass that month. I was in like the worst move.

823
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: Now remember this, My homeboy came up this man, let's

824
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: go out to the multiplex. Man, No Jordan be down

825
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: there playing this the year Mike didn't play. So I

826
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: was like, I play no fucking mom man, fuck the plex.

827
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: Man ain't gonna let us in that motherfucker. No, yeah,

828
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. So we go down there,

829
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: mj and that motherfuck and it's about two hundred people

830
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: on the glass just sitting there watching right and Mike

831
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: and there. You know what I'm saying, I'm with the guy.

832
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: So you know we show up here, we all here

833
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: watching when I came in there. You know, my guys

834
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: save it up to Carl Harris. You know it's west side, right,

835
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: so we're going ahead whatever. So as soon as we

836
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: get in there, Mike like hit the glass. I let

837
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: the big fella in. So I'm like, oh shit on

838
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: my shoes. Man, got my shoes shut up soon as

839
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: I get in. I'm a big man, you know, d

840
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: when you're in high school, you play big man. You

841
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: know you ain't chasing no guards. I might play twenty

842
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: one up thirty two, somebody here a guard or something,

843
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: but I ain't organizing here. You know. I'm here posting up,

844
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: got post moves all this shit. Man. He put me

845
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: right on Scottie, and Scott was like, man, y'all put

846
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: this young puppy ass nigga if man, let me get it.

847
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: And when he clapped the echo in the room, you

848
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: know this my first time in front, in front of

849
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: these niggas. And then I'm looking at damn, I'm in

850
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: here with Scotty Man. And then his face was like

851
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: this little he shot this big long gass three dde

852
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: like so much. I looked at that motherfucker and bad

853
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: hit them out like damn. The looks man almost like

854
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: the face of like some easy work man. When I

855
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: saw his face, I was like and just my natural reaction,

856
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: I called for MJ. Threw that motherfucker and I took

857
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: two dribbles kid that game a little move and I

858
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: let my shit go. Man, my ship here, dog, I

859
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: thought I had won the champion. Shall look look, I

860
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: was so gassed I jumped so. I don't know what

861
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: you think this His niggas like, nigga, he shot me,

862
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: the boor shot him back. Nigga pushed up the nigga.

863
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: I had these niggas kill you in here, manm niggas

864
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: jumped up Carl Harris like, no, young fella, you can't

865
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: do that in here, No, young fella, no, ain't no.

866
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: Carl Harris got under control. Fuck is you talking about

867
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: game over? George like, young fella, I love you your fella.

868
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but he got the fuck out of there.

869
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: I looked up and I had fucked the whole run up.

870
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: I fucked the whole run up. Niggas getting ready up,

871
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about, Like we're in here,

872
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: just wild and right, and I felt like this being like,

873
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: damn see me, that's why he want to come down.

874
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: I was already in the ship, moved like I'm all

875
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: in my head with it. But but I didn't know.

876
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 2: In the corner over there, I saw a purple ass

877
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: jacket and some feet and I heard niggas, Okay, I

878
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: see you, and it was Z Yeah, Yeah, that was

879
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen. Boy, why did so you play against Scottie Pippen?

880
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: But you can go to the league. When he said that, boy,

881
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: everything stopped, y'all. I looked at that man. I said,

882
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 2: what you just say? It's Isaiah Ze was like, yeah,

883
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: gime in. We sat there for two hours and I

884
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: can actually repeat what he said verbatim when he told

885
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: me that shit, I leave there.

886
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: I go home.

887
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: Soon as I get home on the on the front

888
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: of my little door, because at this time I got

889
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: myself an apartment. All this shit I got like this

890
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: little pink thing. You feel me and I'm like, what look,

891
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 2: I see what the ship say, I'll ripped it off.

892
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: Coming to the joint, like oh fuck now my head spinning,

893
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: and Woolf didn't go down here with me when he

894
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: gave me the conversation. I come back home, I see

895
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: the ship on my door. I ripped the sh it

896
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: off my door. I slammed the door. At the time,

897
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: just me and my young sister. She's like, what's wrong.

898
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: It's like nothing went up because wolf let downstairs, went

899
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: went downstairs, knock on the store. You day was something

900
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: I said, hey, man, let me holut you for a second,

901
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: said what's up. I said, man, look, write this down. Tomorrow.

902
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: I need you to call David Fault. And I named

903
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: like three agents that you know he gave me. I

904
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: want you to call these guys and let them know

905
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna forego my college eligibility and I'm going to

906
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: the league. And Wolf look like, man, get your fucking

907
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: why are you tripping you? You want something to eat on?

908
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: You want? And when he saw one laughing, and I

909
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: was dead ass, nah, I write this down, write this down.

910
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: And I had never took a tone like that with him,

911
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: and I was looking at him dead ass. He was like, yeah,

912
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 2: what you're saying, man, I said, I hear what I'm saying.

913
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: I need you to write this down. And he saw

914
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: my face and then I took him through the conversation

915
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: this and then this is what we're gonna do. The

916
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: next day at school, he did the same thing. One

917
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: of the montherfuckers out of the four people called me back,

918
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: and then he took me through the process. We started process,

919
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: gonna go out here, you gotta take a couple of workouts,

920
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: probably got to leave school a little early, come over here,

921
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: and we had to do it. Around school because the school. Yeah,

922
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: and Nigga's not even taking me serious until I get

923
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: into the first workout. In the first workout, basically I

924
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: couldn't travel and go everywhere, so I had people had

925
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: to come here. But we had the physical so a

926
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: lot of teams was coming into Chicago anyway, so that

927
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: helped me travel, right, So they would go with the

928
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: Moody Bible. They skipped the mood Bible. Come down, see

929
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: my little workout. So I got like the first day,

930
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: I got PIXI eleven through twenty two. I didn't even

931
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: get the whole there. I just got those and they

932
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: came through and they sat and I remember pat Rally

933
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: being one of the people in there, and you know, I

934
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: ain't never worked out. It didn't know nothing like this.

935
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: You know, take us through workout, but not like this,

936
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: right ninety minutes. Didn't know it was gonna be ninety minutes.

937
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: I showed up. I didn't really didn't really get the

938
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: stretching that I just came in. I was in awe

939
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: of this. You know the people that I was saying,

940
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, that's part passing. I know that Dale Harrison.

941
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: So I'm in here just noticing it, but all the

942
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: gems and shit Andnnyan's Kevin, So I mean, like, oh shit,

943
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: so damn. So it didn't hit me like you're here, right,

944
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: Keywan Garris shat down, Shot West shout to Keywan Man,

945
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Keiwan fine? Straight up? I called him. I said, hey, man,

946
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: can you come, can you come pass the ball to me?

947
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because I just need a

948
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: guard to go up and do some of the stuff

949
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: because I was by myself, and then I had an

950
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: instructor who was just walking me through the ship. So

951
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: he was like, okay, all right, look, just gonna do

952
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: this real cool, just you know, you know, worked out

953
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: a hundred times. Just listen to what I'm saying. So

954
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: I was all right. So I heard pat Rally, Okay,

955
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: god damn, what the fuck we're doing here? God damnit

956
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: here and washing a fucking high school guy. I thought,

957
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 2: fuck is this? So I heard so all the little

958
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: minions laughed and the guy was still talking to me,

959
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: and they was kind of in the background, so I

960
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: saw the nig of mouth moving, but I just heard him, right.

961
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: I I took everything personal, man, you know what I'm saying.

962
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: I took everything personal. So I was like, oh word, okay.

963
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: They came to the workout. I know he was gonna

964
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: see a high school kid, but he don't nobody here.

965
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: So I played. I played with that like that was

966
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: just steaming. So the first ship, you know, dribbled up

967
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: and down. It was just some basic ship. So all

968
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: the ship he was telling me was basic. To dribble,

969
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: pull up for the jump at the free throw line.

970
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: Wasn't no hard shit. D that shit I did. But man,

971
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 2: I looked up and it was ninety minutes. They wanted

972
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: me to see how long I could go, see how

973
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: you know my range and all that shit. From fifteen

974
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: to seventeen. I was smacking it. And then I want

975
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: to see the jumping all this shit. So I was

976
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: dunking this mother fult trying to do. Didn't even have

977
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: to dunk it this meantime, but I was daunch more.

978
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: He don't know why he in here, huh you know what? Okay,

979
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: that's enough, dude. I was dunning the boom. Now, dun'ted

980
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: that motherfucker. Fuck. You mean, wow, man here, you don't

981
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: know why you ain't here, motherfucker. And I look behind him.

982
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: They just gasp. Okay, and that's when I know I

983
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: have something. Kevin McKell walked all the way down there.

984
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: He was in this big ass like high ridse on

985
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: some subliminal ship. Feel what I'm saying to you. He

986
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: walked all the way down then he just started trping, Hey,

987
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: what's that Kevin? Hey? Yeah, I love you footwork bike

988
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: fell Hey, hey, show your money. You know you're right

989
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: in the teaching. And it was just coming so fast

990
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: all that I couldn't catch it all. And I was like, oh,

991
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: what did you say? Because I because I know I

992
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: had another workout, so the only thing I did catch it.

993
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: He was like, when you come around, you want to

994
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: square your shoulders with the rim because sometimes you're coming

995
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: in and you're shooting across your body. And I was like,

996
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: oh wow, okay. And then the next day I applied

997
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: that ship. But after the first workout, I knew I

998
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: had something. After the second workout, I knew I was

999
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: getting picked.

1000
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: You got dogs in your class. There was a lot

1001
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: of dogs in your class. You gotta kind of extend

1002
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: yourself from everybody else, especially to go straight out of

1003
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: high school. Like, how was that like for me? Because

1004
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't ranked number one. They had me

1005
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: like eleven.

1006
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: That's why.

1007
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: But every time they seen me, or if I had

1008
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play or play on TV or play

1009
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: against them where I've seen them in McDonald's or whatever,

1010
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: I was.

1011
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: Trying to get it, you know what I'm saying.

1012
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: But with you, like like I said, you got a

1013
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: bunch of dogs in your class, a bunch of guys

1014
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: that men had good careers in the league. How was

1015
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: that to like extend yourself past them and actually go

1016
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: because like you the first, you're not the first to

1017
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: actually go with you the first of the new era

1018
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: to change that.

1019
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: It's different from you, It's never been done.

1020
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: When you walked in that locker room and you played

1021
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: against everybody in the NBA, everybody gave.

1022
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: You that look.

1023
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Because I felt that look and I wasn't even the

1024
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: first like you.

1025
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1026
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: They like, yeah, but you know how it is somebody

1027
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: else can take your job every year.

1028
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: You're like, man, we ain't giving you nothing. Man, Listen,

1029
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: it started at the physicals. What they do is they

1030
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: put everybody in front of you, and you know they

1031
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: get they put that one thirty five and then out

1032
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: the one forty five, and you know, high school niggas

1033
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: were not even looking like that. We never though, did

1034
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: you achieve any any reps? I got two reps. That

1035
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: ship I went up to. That ship was so funny.

1036
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: Off the ball heavy want that ship and listen, listen

1037
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: if you want to lifting that ship, if you want

1038
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: listen real ship.

1039
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah it was on some ego ship with me. I

1040
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: damn near broke my shoulder to get like, because you know,

1041
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: you gotta take it off of Oh hell, oh hell,

1042
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: all the niggas like, every fell let's get a young

1043
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: fella got on the campus. She stacked all these motherfuckers

1044
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: right here. All these all these niggas I watched in

1045
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: college is sitting here watching me lou roll everybody. Man,

1046
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: I got that motherfucker. Damn, he just lit lou rolling though,

1047
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: gadding on strong. I didn't even let that mother come off.

1048
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: I just got in there and yeah, you know what

1049
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying, there's one you know my mother like this.

1050
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: I like, just.

1051
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: Listen up. And then the guys Aaron thinking that that's

1052
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: too that I can't tell. Okay, I get on the trailmill,

1053
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: get on the trailman, I'm dying on the trail man.

1054
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: I did listen. Man, it made me rethink itthing. So

1055
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: I sat down and then they started roasting me. Stack started,

1056
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: all the guys start roasting me. They didn't start roasting me. Man,

1057
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: you need to take your ass to college. Nigga, you

1058
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: missed that. You Oh you ain't know what you're doing?

1059
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: Him like that, but they were talking. He was talking

1060
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: so crazy to me and just making me feel like ship.

1061
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: And Scottie Thurman came up to me, He's like, you

1062
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: nobody joking, right. I was kind of like on that

1063
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: like mad ship with a tear come out mad, kind

1064
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: of like ship. And I was like, I'm gonna be

1065
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: bet no. The I was just owned. I was super owned.

1066
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: I was hot. They had jon me ain't had no comeback.

1067
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: I would I just I did you know what I'm saying?

1068
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: Because I was like, I'm there. If I fucked this up, man,

1069
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: niggas behind me ain't even gonna have it. So I

1070
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: was thinking like that, right, and I was kind of

1071
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 2: feeling that, and then Scotty Thurn's like, bo, you're gonna

1072
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: be ready. You're gonna bettering all these niggs because you care.

1073
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: You care. So many niggas they don't care like this,

1074
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 2: then you care. I was like, what are you talking about?

1075
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: He was like, you're gonna see. And when I got

1076
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: into camp, it started all like unfolding because now some

1077
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: niggas was projected to go four five. Now I'm in here.

1078
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: I went five, so that means somebody else had to

1079
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: go six, right, so all this is happening. What I

1080
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: don't know is everybody from toryn Walker, Sharif I, du

1081
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: Raheem steph Ai, everybody that I know that's in my

1082
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: class at home like this, see this nigga do what

1083
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: I could do? That? What? So everybody seeing me do

1084
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: it like I'm giving them confidence? Next ninety six it's

1085
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: really that's that's really, that's everybody I'm with crazy that slam.

1086
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: But but to be the first to go through the

1087
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: door and then take all the hits set up the

1088
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: structure for everybody to come next. I took a lot

1089
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: of pride in that because now I can go up

1090
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: to d because the high school kid it's like a

1091
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: it's almost like special ops, like you made the league. Yeah,

1092
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: but then you got the high school kids and if

1093
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: you can survive that that gave you your own kind

1094
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: of rank on that ship. You know what I'm saying,

1095
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: We got our own little special ops pat that. You know.

1096
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying straight up because my theory, too, Joe,

1097
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: is that when they start promoting all the four year

1098
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: college kids, and Layton came in and grantedll and mash Burn,

1099
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm just being one hundred. Those guys went up to

1100
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: a point. Them guys was getting in trouble. Guys didn't

1101
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: have the best character that you know, some of them

1102
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: guys got hurt early in their careers. And shit, guess

1103
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: who took that league over man. Guess who came up

1104
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: and just stepped up? Man? All them high school guys,

1105
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: All them high school guys you loved or you doubted,

1106
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: or you say it in light nest thing. You know, man,

1107
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: some of us were some of the better players in

1108
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: the league. And it started growing like that. You know

1109
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: what I'm saying this. Then you know, you got cold

1110
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: in this bitch, Then you got tam acing this bitch.

1111
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: Then you got Dwhite, then you got the miles got

1112
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: Brown had a whole he had a whole table of

1113
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: scales that he could sit back and saw what worked

1114
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: and what didn't work. And then having d Miles in Cleveland,

1115
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: when you get there, you got somebody that actually went

1116
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: through what you're going through.

1117
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: D Male was rocking with him when his senior year.

1118
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: Who was coming up that practicing with y'all and ship

1119
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: he was. I used to go over there with them ship.

1120
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: He was the show of the town.

1121
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: We want eighteen out of eighty two, so nobody was

1122
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: at our game.

1123
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: Y'all had them black, silver and orange jersey. Chris Mills

1124
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: and ship. Yeah that's the name from Texas shot. Y'all

1125
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: say what y'all want, But Chris Mills go trying to

1126
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: block everything. You know what I'm saying. But uh yeah, man,

1127
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 2: that was the early parts of all that ship Man,

1128
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: and I did have to go through something to actually

1129
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: get to something. And I really believe that, like I

1130
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: don't just believe the fairy tale goals. You show up

1131
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 2: and this just tada. You gotta go through some ship,

1132
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: and going through that ship give you stripes and give

1133
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: you extra skin and extra coming to where man, Joe,

1134
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: if I didn't go through some of that ship through

1135
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: the gold Man, I don't know if I could have

1136
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: survived some of that early on ship that went on.

1137
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: And you know, straight up tell me how it was

1138
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: for you to like you got to be at the draft,

1139
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: to be coming out of high school, to hear your

1140
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: name called that hot, just to be hearing David Stern,

1141
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: Like what was that moment? Like we like every player,

1142
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: you know, that's our biggest moment before all the other

1143
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: biggest mother like that kick it off, Like how did that?

1144
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: How did what was that life for you? When you

1145
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: sitting there, you.

1146
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: Like that ship was in Toronto, y'all right, my draft

1147
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: was in Toronto. That's cracking, man, Joe. At that time,

1148
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: you can have a driver's license to get through the border.

1149
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: Oh damn, I get up here. I'm like, damn, what's

1150
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 2: this Europe? Like? Nah? This Canada? Shi? It was clean,

1151
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: The water tastes different. You know what I'm saying. They

1152
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: can't even balls wasn't snickers, It was snick you know

1153
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. They had you know what I'm saying.

1154
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: They had Coocker versus cocher. It looked like some other ship.

1155
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 2: Right that money straight up like this right problem was man. Now,

1156
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: when you get a little success because you not got

1157
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: damn been through the blitz, right, you know, I went

1158
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: through the jungle. Now you come out on the other

1159
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: end and he come. Anybody want to everybody want to

1160
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: go to draft? Now he's your best friend. And man, listen,

1161
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something. Man. One of the things

1162
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: I got down real early was the word no no.

1163
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: And then I learned fucked naw straight up. Generation. Now

1164
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: I have no problem saying no na. I'm cool. I'm

1165
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: gonna go up here with h uh uh and then

1166
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: yet and yeah, that's how it went. But going to

1167
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: the draft was a fucking blizzard. It was like I

1168
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: didn't want to spend no money. I didn't want to

1169
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: you know, money, especially money I didn't have yet, So

1170
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 2: so I was super conservative. I got there. G Trent

1171
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 2: had the line suit on and he had the woo woo.

1172
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: They was going out to the to the joint all

1173
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: the draft. He was going to the strip joint. Yeah yeah,

1174
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: fell he can't get in here, ye, he can't come

1175
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: in here? Can go okay? Here the party over here

1176
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: got alcohol? Hey yeah, yeah, I fact you can't come

1177
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: in here either. It's like damn okay, I'm gonna try

1178
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: and throw my own shit. Oh yeah, We're gonna shut

1179
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: this down.

1180
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: Man.

1181
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, falla yeah. So I was like, oh, ship,

1182
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: this was this is gonna be like that's now. It's like, okay,

1183
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: it's all good. We're gonna have a good time at

1184
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: the draft. We did got draft that came off, and

1185
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: I had never seen that many people. I had never

1186
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: seen that many people like Clapp, you know what I'm saying.

1187
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: I came in there and they was all clapping and

1188
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: whatever they hit me got teared up up there. The

1189
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: great Kriik Seger did an interview with me, and he

1190
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: was all cool with it, slowed everybody down, got everybody

1191
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: off me, let me talk, gave me a second, and

1192
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: all that ship. It was just a memorable place. But

1193
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: after that, man, it was just it was go. You

1194
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, because after that, I get to

1195
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: Minnesota and I get thrown in the fire. But I

1196
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: loved Kevin McHale for the fact that he actually structured

1197
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: a structure for me that worked for me. It wasn't

1198
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: something that he had used for anybody else. You know,

1199
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: my boys got to come on trips, my boys got

1200
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 2: to come to practice. Made me comfortable. People that knew

1201
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: me put me around place, and then he's like, look,

1202
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: just North Minneapolis over here, it's like Chicago. South Minneapolis,

1203
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: just like Chicago. Over here, He's saying, Paul, just like Chicago.

1204
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: But the rest of it is like this, this is

1205
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: where the rich people live at. And Kevin McHale kind

1206
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: of gave me Minneapolis's gage. Yeah, i'ma put you with

1207
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy and Terry. They great guys. They producers, They produced

1208
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: Jan and Jackson music. Prince live out here too. He

1209
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: does me, you know, Prince. And then he started putting

1210
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: all these Kirby Puckets and Chris Doleman and John Randall

1211
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: and just Randall Conney. He just started putting this little

1212
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: group for me together. Kirby Puckett rest in Peace to

1213
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: my dog Man, one of the best ever because he

1214
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: was he was like their superstar. So he started telling me,

1215
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: you know, because Jr. And Christan Lakener they had had

1216
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: they run ins and shit with, you know, troubles and shit,

1217
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: and he was just like, man, you gotta win this

1218
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: town over by staying off the radar. And if you

1219
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: don't get in no trouble, they gonna love you. And

1220
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: especially if you can play a little bit So if

1221
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: you notice, I never got in no ship, never, never ever,

1222
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: never ever, none of my crew, none of that ship,

1223
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: because we all understood what was on the line if

1224
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: we was to fuck this opportunity, and they understood it.

1225
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: How was the first time you met Prince? I meant

1226
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: to hang your kick it with Prince? Does I tell

1227
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: you some trade ship? First time I met Prince Man?

1228
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: I was.

1229
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. First. First off, dude love basketball. He was a hoopoe,

1230
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: he had a hoopa, he was talking ship, he was

1231
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: quick as ship. He had a big ass studio called

1232
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: Paisley Park where he had a he had like a

1233
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: half court there, and uh yeah, he would motherfucker let

1234
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: people come in there and he would be in there

1235
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: busting your ass, talking crazy and anything. Plus he knew

1236
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: the flow. He knew that, you know, if you shout

1237
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: over here, wouldn't hit the and all this other ship.

1238
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, he loved balls, so anytime he wouldn't come

1239
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: out a lot, but when we would he would come out,

1240
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: he would just shut the club down. He would always

1241
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: get this little one back room and then here like

1242
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: someing you. He had this big, giganned ass one white

1243
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: bodyguard Chris or something like that boy headed white guy

1244
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: used to always go with him and ship and he

1245
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: would always come get you. Hey, uh, the artist because

1246
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: he wouldn't call himself. Friend said, the artist wants to

1247
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: talk to you and go back there. And I talked

1248
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: to you just like I'm looking at the mouse man.

1249
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: That man used to have like a little orange you

1250
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: ever look into, like the like like if you put

1251
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: your hand in front of the light, you'll see Like Lord,

1252
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: I swear he would sit there and he had a

1253
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: glow about him, talking with a deep ass voice like

1254
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: this albumuch like it was now Like he'd be saying

1255
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: some real ship, nigga little ship and here in his

1256
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: velvet chair, len's crossed my ass outfit collar pop and

1257
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: he might be sitting there here go. So what do

1258
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: you guys do for like pre game? He asked you

1259
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: some ship like that, Like what do you mean what

1260
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: do you guys eating for pregame? Like is this is

1261
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: it healthy? You want to be healthy? I would think

1262
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: that if if you was burning calories, you would beat

1263
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: something it was more meat. Like that's the kind of

1264
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: shit he asked you. He wanted to hear your POV

1265
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 2: in the game, and how you okay? So a guy

1266
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: like Carl Malow, is that intimidating to you? But din

1267
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: he gi him some shit and he'd be like, h

1268
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, do you have good financial people around you?

1269
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: Make sure you have very very I have some great

1270
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: financial people that can actually help you with And then

1271
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: he'll get onto you because these motherfucker's the store and

1272
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: then he'll start off real professional, end up on some shit.

1273
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: But these motherfuckers to steal your shit and you like.

1274
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: And he was always cool with my crew. He was

1275
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: always you know, because some motherfuckers, you know, and now

1276
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't let them in hell just I just want

1277
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: to you know what I'm saying. But he was always consistent,

1278
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: he was always cool, always said the same shit man

1279
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: at the end of the conversation. Make sure you're working

1280
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: harder than anybody else. That's what's gonna out last everybody else.

1281
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: Everybody ain't gonna work if you work your ass off

1282
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: every day, man, good things gonna come out of that.

1283
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: And now you used to always fel Yo, you guys

1284
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: got to come out to Paistry Park. So after we

1285
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: would leave the club club leads at like two two thirty,

1286
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: we'll go out to Paisy Park, like three to like

1287
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: six in the morning. You wake up breakfast in here.

1288
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: He trying to you know what I'm saying, But this

1289
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: is what artists do. They stay up, they make music

1290
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: all day. Like, nah, man, this is something I got.

1291
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: I got to ask to get home. You know what

1292
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying this. Nah, I can't do this. Noh, especially

1293
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: I don't know during the year, but yeah, Prince was

1294
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: another level of everything. Yo.

1295
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Speaker 1: You at Minnesota win, you feel like, ah, yeah, I

1305
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: can really be here, Like did it take like half

1306
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: of the season, be like nah, I can. I can

1307
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: kind of sink my teeth and into what's going on,

1308
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: and I can understand the game or know where I can.

1309
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: I can shine it because now you know them plays.

1310
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: You know where you get your shot because you get

1311
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: the same shot for real, damn there every night. You

1312
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: might maneuver a little bit, but you know you getting

1313
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: the ball right here, or you can get your shot

1314
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: off right here, or I get a few posts up.

1315
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: When did you know?

1316
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: Like yeah, because like at a time you get in there,

1317
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: you got call him alone, m VP, call him.

1318
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: Along and me P call alone MVP. Charles Barkley, Shhan Kim,

1319
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: David Robinson. You know what I'm saying, Like, man, it's real.

1320
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: The West is so real. Uh Sea Web is still

1321
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: in Washington at this time, but yeah, it was. It

1322
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: was real talk. But then you had guys like Roal

1323
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: Tarpley down in Dallas who didn't people don't even really

1324
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: know that was crazy. Then Baker A b was up

1325
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: to problem. You feel me? I started to have some

1326
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: like confidence in like my ability when first you got

1327
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: to go through like the first thirty to forty and

1328
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: get your ass kicked and just fuck it all up right.

1329
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: But I can say after every practice, never missed the practice.

1330
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: I would always practice, and then after practice, Kevin McHale

1331
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: would make the Biggs play one on one doesn't matter

1332
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: if you hurt or not, it don't matter. Come on

1333
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: and we call it the cage, and it ain't no

1334
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: files called in the cage, you know it, Just like

1335
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking y'all know exactly what I'm

1336
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: talking about. When you gotta when you go work with

1337
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: the guards and then the next day you go work

1338
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: with the bigs, and it's a totally different worker. You

1339
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. Only only niggas in the

1340
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: league know that though. So that's what I'm saying, Like

1341
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: that we go down here and each day we play,

1342
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: I can honestly say whether I got b or I

1343
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: won the drill, I feel like I'm getting better because

1344
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: the physicality of the league, no one actually you can

1345
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: never get You can't get that from nowhere. You got

1346
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: to get that from the league, because these guys are

1347
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: not walking around on the street this big, this agile,

1348
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: this strong, and this good. So you may play a

1349
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: nigga in the street and he just me be, you know,

1350
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: like out of shape, and he big as hell, but

1351
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: he don't know how to ride, He don't know how

1352
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: to Now you he'll out the front, he'll know this

1353
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: NBA nigga don't know how to do all this, you

1354
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And he's strong enough and he

1355
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: knowed that the charcolt going. So I had a bunch

1356
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 2: of that going on, a bunch of what I didn't

1357
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: know being used against me. And once I downloaded that shit,

1358
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: and I started seeing, like the playbooks start to change

1359
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: from Christian Lakener to you know, JR. Ryder to Googs.

1360
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: So now they trade Lakener, they trade Jr. And now,

1361
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: oh shit, Kevin got forty five forty five twists forty

1362
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: five and then now I got like six plays. I'm like,

1363
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: what like that? Don't happen? They don't rearrange the playbook

1364
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: and then put your name in these sets if they're

1365
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: not confident or whatever. But so I say about for

1366
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: like four years, I used to play one on one

1367
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: after practice, and that's what made me, I think, sped

1368
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: up my me actually getting better. But then it was

1369
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: things that I wanted to do like I didn't never

1370
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: I never had a left hand. I used to always

1371
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: work on my shit, but never could find it in

1372
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: the game to use it. If I'm a dunk, I'm

1373
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: a dunk on the one hand or two hands. I

1374
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: ain't gonna try him. I you know what I'm saying.

1375
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: And I used to always get caught in between wanting

1376
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: to use some of the stuff that I work on

1377
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: and then just using the ship that works. You know

1378
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: it's gonna be money. Kevin mchal helped me simplify all

1379
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: that you're thinking too much. You know, you get he's

1380
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: six eight, you're six eleven. Just turn the shoot. So

1381
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: I started getting too that quicker and then start watching

1382
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: she Webb, some of the Juwan Howard, some of the

1383
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: guys that was in my same class not look the same,

1384
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: but they were I was seeing I was seeing growth

1385
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: with myself, and I was seeing them grow a whole

1386
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: other way. You know. Web got stronger, started dunking that

1387
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 2: motherfucking Then he got the little short hood.

1388
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 4: She put the man lord.

1389
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: When you got the fucking when you got the fifteen

1390
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 2: foot of and you got a big man. So Kevin

1391
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: McHale helped develop the face up for me, and then

1392
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,439
Speaker 2: off the face up, I started learning how to use

1393
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: handle in the face up. Then if I backed up

1394
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: a little bit and gave myself a couple of feet,

1395
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: I can actually get to the basket and two dribbles

1396
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: and give you a moo cross when I was at

1397
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: the rim, and then when he was telling me to

1398
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: lay it up, I was like, fuck that, I'm gonna

1399
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: put this on it. I'm going to thunk this motherfucker.

1400
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: Funk that ship. So I started to like take what

1401
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: I was learning from him and putting kind of my

1402
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: own mix on it. Where he would actually go up

1403
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: under and come under and finish with the left. I

1404
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: use my right and just you know. And once I

1405
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: started seeing that, that's what started giving me confidence. Then

1406
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: I started looking in these faces and these eyes, and

1407
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: I was like, everybody, everybody ain't know what the same everybody.

1408
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't want through you know what I'm saying, No, no,

1409
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: And it's more of a bully league. And if you

1410
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: can actually call out your own little square and stand

1411
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: on if you're willing to go, people respect it. And

1412
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: that's what I learned day one.

1413
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 3: One of my favorite like I'm one of the dudes,

1414
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: like when it during it all this time, I'm on

1415
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 3: NBA lives. Soon as the drivet go, I'm grading all

1416
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: the players, putting them on the teams out that Like

1417
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 3: one of my favorite teams real talk light was when

1418
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: Steph came to the team, right, and it's y'all that

1419
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: young because you know, back then it's an old ass

1420
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 3: league that ain't no young duyn duo like y'all is

1421
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 3: really able to put it down, Like how you that

1422
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 3: you feel like you went to When Steph got THEMN,

1423
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: y'all you know, instantly hit it off and had that chemistry.

1424
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people don't know. Man, Steph and

1425
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: I was friends in high school right before I got

1426
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: in trouble. Steph. Steph found my number through Bob Gibbons.

1427
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: Steph called the house and we stayed on the phone

1428
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: like three hours just talking in basketball. Woh. You know

1429
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, similar to how y'all be? And you

1430
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: know he telling me about New York, I'm telling about

1431
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: country shit. He loves Atlanta all this other shit. And

1432
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: we became friends so that when I went to Chicago,

1433
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: I didn't know he knew Bill. I ain't know he

1434
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: knew No, I ain't know he knew the same guys

1435
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: that I knew. And uh, when he came to gold

1436
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: he was going to Park for a visit and yeah, Bill,

1437
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: Bill brought together and I was like, what the fuck? Yeah,

1438
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: So we had a bond already, I put my name

1439
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: in the head. I go to the league first, and

1440
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: he went to Georgia Tech. So the whole time were

1441
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: talking and his whole thing. He had brothers that was

1442
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: before him, so he had kind of a script to

1443
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: know what to expect and all that. I knew nothing.

1444
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: So the things I'm giving him is just detailed stuff

1445
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: that I'm going through and the city to city or

1446
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 2: sand fing like this. Oh shit, uh fucking Utah like this.

1447
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: I ain't been in Utah, Man Toronto like that, you know

1448
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Vancouver was like this. So he was

1449
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: just he was in school, but his mind was was

1450
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: he's already in the league. So when Steph went through

1451
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 2: his whole process, he get drafted a whole different story

1452
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: for him. When he get the soda, we were like, oh,

1453
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: it's on the pop. It's well, it means two hundred

1454
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: deep in here, you know, you know, like it was

1455
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: some of the greatest days. And we go two years

1456
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: and after the second year, I get some bread. You know,

1457
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: I got to go through this whole ship show and

1458
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: this resigned. I ain't never resigned for no real breast

1459
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: or I'm trying to get the max all this other shit.

1460
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: I get the most I can get out of this shit.

1461
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: And that's when I start to see like a difference

1462
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 2: with everybody, Like when I when I signed for that

1463
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: little bread man, I start seeing niggas like either wanted

1464
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: the same bread or wanted the same opportunity. And what

1465
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: I was taught. I seen uh Clyde, Drexler and Dream

1466
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: play together, and I've seen Mike and Scotti play together.

1467
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: So I'm seeing like, you gotta have like a duo

1468
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: to be in whatever what better doo to men do?

1469
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: And we know each other right, and you have just

1470
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: think Steph grew to like warn his own ship and

1471
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: I didn't get no fun him out, you know, running

1472
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: no team. I wouldn't. I really want no operator like

1473
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: that I was. You know, I'm gonna give you. Hey,

1474
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: come on, come on you let's get it, man, come on,

1475
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: come on, fucking I'll do it with you. I'm not

1476
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: I ain't fnna come over here, tell you I'm betting you,

1477
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: or come after you like I know, you know nothing.

1478
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: I ain't that type of leader. I'm more hands on leader.

1479
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: So you know, Bro was interesting with gems and moves

1480
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: and hey, we need this player and all that. I

1481
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: really want to.

1482
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 4: Know the family situation different.

1483
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: Everything he got he got like a he got a

1484
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: real structure, like you know, he can go to his

1485
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: he got a we got a pops, he got a

1486
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: whole bunch of you know. So that was totally different

1487
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: from I had to actually create that for myself once

1488
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: I was in a position too, And yeah, he carried

1489
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: it a little different and had a little more of

1490
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: a better hold on the league in this business, which

1491
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: is when I started getting all this flat for the

1492
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: contract stuff, which made me actually learn the Book of

1493
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 2: Business of Basketball. It actually threw me in there because

1494
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: next year we have a lockout. I'm saying off just

1495
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 2: to say that we changed after that. And you know,

1496
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: when he made it known that he didn't want to

1497
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: be there because he couldn't get the type of money

1498
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: he wanted. He wanted to go back to New York

1499
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 2: and make this, I had to honor it, like I

1500
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: can't get mad for somebody else's vision and what he wanted.

1501
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: So I wish him the best. But you know, if

1502
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 2: you're trying to win in the league, that's hard as

1503
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: fuck to winning with Mike and the logron really running

1504
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: this shit and y'all was coming. I mean we were

1505
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 2: young and we was coming. But you gotta go through

1506
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: some shit, bro, Like every motherfucker think that the coffee

1507
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 2: goes in here and it comes down instant, just like

1508
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: the grits, you know what I'm saying. Well, y'all didn't know,

1509
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: but thirty seconds before that shit turned into that much,

1510
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: that shit was hard, and that shit went through the

1511
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: process of softening up, you know what I'm saying. So

1512
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 2: I saw it just like that, and you know, we had

1513
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: lived in many already, and I just started hearing all

1514
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: these just excuses, just just not want to be in here.

1515
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: Then you know, his attitude just just fell off. Y'all

1516
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: been around the nigga that don't want to be around,

1517
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: and it just started getting ugly and shit like that.

1518
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: And then when he left, man, I was on some like, Man,

1519
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 2: I ain't really getting close to nobody no moment. I'm cool.

1520
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just I'm just come in here, do my job,

1521
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: and you live in the snow. Man. We're here half

1522
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: the time anyway. But it was just making those days heavier.

1523
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: You know, the game's supposed to be fun and it

1524
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: wasn't fun no more. And then Charncey came over and

1525
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 2: kind of kind of lightened it up a little bit,

1526
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: just having somebody that I knew and just was a

1527
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: brother to kind of rekindle some of those mishaps man.

1528
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: And then in between, you know, the stuff and that stuff,

1529
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 2: I got real close with Malite, so it kind of

1530
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: it kind of refreshed me. After that night. Ninety eight

1531
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: ninety nine was one of the best years. Ninety nine

1532
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 2: two thousand was one of the best years for me,

1533
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: just coming out of all the Steph shit, and I

1534
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: kind of found my love for basketball or the love

1535
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: for the league again after that because I thought Steph

1536
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: and I was gonna be forever, and I thought out

1537
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: of that we was gonna probably get a couple even

1538
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: with the shock and code shit, you know what I'm saying.

1539
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, at that time, man, that shit blew me.

1540
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: Steph leaving Minnesota blew the fuck out of me. I

1541
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: didn't understand it. To this day, I still don't understand it.

1542
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: But it was a Stephan Malberg. You know, it was

1543
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: his decision, It wasn't the US decision. Tell me this.

1544
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 3: In that come you said that you like when you

1545
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 3: were dealing with the contract. How was it for you

1546
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 3: to be you know, I think you were twenty twenty.

1547
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: One then, yeah, twenty one. I was in Jamaica to

1548
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 2: turn down one hundred and two million. Now I turned

1549
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: down twenty two.

1550
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: Oh you turned down one twenty two? How was time out?

1551
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: So how did you do that? So Pete like what

1552
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 2: you turned down.

1553
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 3: So that's like the most ever at that point, right.

1554
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: So if I'm a it was I think Nuke signed

1555
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 2: for the one on five before now and before this

1556
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: this one. I'm talking about y'all always One, know you're

1557
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 2: worth that's one. Two. Know the people that became before

1558
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: you and what they made, Not to count somebody else's pockets.

1559
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: But this how the league goes. D Mile signed first.

1560
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: Next year, you gonna sign a little more for what

1561
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: d Moud signed. If I'm sitting back here, i'mber third one.

1562
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a little more than what you just

1563
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: signed for, just like this guy, and it's gonna go this.

1564
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: This is how it goes. So at that time, LJ

1565
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: signs for the eighty four. Right after that, Linzo Morning

1566
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 2: signs for one hundred million. Okay, after that, I think

1567
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: Shaq gets the one twenty and then newke Juwan Howard

1568
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 2: signs for the one on five, so the scale goes,

1569
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: the jump goes. However, so the most I can make

1570
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 2: was like one twenty five six. So the first offer,

1571
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: which I was told to never take right, I'm in Jamaica, man,

1572
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: shorty right here paper. I never forget this. I got

1573
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: the USA today, A popping over dog. The ship goes first.

1574
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 2: Joint says guarding that denies one twenty two, and I

1575
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck? Sat up, like what the

1576
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: fun I had? I had a bowl of fruit in

1577
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: my lap and I remember it spilled on the ship

1578
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the fuck? I'm sure you

1579
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: come on, we got we gotta go, and I zoomed

1580
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: home right, And the problem was I never got to

1581
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: deny anything, you know, the agent did. So the first

1582
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 2: thing I checked him was about, hey, look, don't be

1583
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 2: speaking for me. Let me right. You don't know like

1584
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: this how I go, just the process. And I was like, nah,

1585
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: so I ain't really like that, So I fired him.

1586
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like like nah? I did

1587
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: because because my movement in my and me being able

1588
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: to speak for myself was huge for me didn't. I

1589
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: didn't want somebody speaking for me. I'm right here, I

1590
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: can say it. I probably would have took the one

1591
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 2: twenty two, but then he was pushing me and really

1592
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: teaching me the business of how basketball, how this all works.

1593
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,520
Speaker 2: In that it's like nah, and then these the incentives,

1594
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 2: and then what's the vision you have for yourself? And

1595
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: this is what we're gonna implement right here? Oh those

1596
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 2: things you just name, Okay, we're gonna put it in.

1597
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 2: We're gonna put it in a flight time, we're gonna

1598
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: put in private charges, we're gonna put into the fake

1599
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 2: I was like, what, So we were just making a

1600
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: wish list and then we implement it. And out of

1601
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: ten things, I got eight of them just because I

1602
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 2: asked for them and just because I had the leverage

1603
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: to on top of getting what I wanted, right. So

1604
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, with all that, man, I actually wanted to

1605
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: be the one to just say that I knew my

1606
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 2: worth and I went for it. You know what I'm saying.

1607
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 2: And that's what it's about. If you know you're worth something, man, Listen,

1608
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 2: it's as simple as just asking, just saying for it,

1609
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 2: just saying, look, you want me to come in here

1610
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: and work hunting. Okay, cool, this is what I want.

1611
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: And then that's a conversation. And that's usually how simple

1612
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: is it is. It's really when you get to thinking

1613
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 2: and over y'all. I don't know if they're gonna no,

1614
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: you know, make that shit simple. You're gonna come in

1615
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: here and bust your ass, and you're gonna bust your ass.

1616
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: It has a number that you already know. You know

1617
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: what I'm saying that. That's the message.

1618
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: Your first All Star game, when you found out you

1619
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: made the All Star team?

1620
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: How was that? Nigga? Right? They told me? I said, oh, yeah,

1621
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: you're going to the All Star Game for a reserve.

1622
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 2: I was like, what, who me? Yeah, get your ship,

1623
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: you gotta. I was like, huh yeah.

1624
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 4: Out of high school to go to the All Star Game.

1625
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 2: Listen. I got in there and I was just I

1626
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it that I'm two

1627
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: years I'm not even three years. We moved from high school.

1628
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm in the All Star Game and it was in Cleveland.

1629
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: I wore this big black and white coochie. I had

1630
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: a look I had. I ain't have a bunch of Drie.

1631
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 2: But I had a little kg ring had You know what

1632
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I put my little ship on. Got the

1633
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: whole mob in here. You feel me? You know what

1634
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I got the whole mob in here. I

1635
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: get out first, right, that's back when you took limousines

1636
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: and shit. Get out there snoring like a motherfuck I

1637
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 2: get out. I see Diddy and Biggie getting out of

1638
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 2: the limo behind us and Diddy, I don't know what

1639
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 2: he owned. He got shampain. Yeah, nigga, wi you motherfucker

1640
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 2: Cleveland nigga get in this All Star weekend and then

1641
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 2: you know my nigga come out. He's like, oh shit, yeah, yeah,

1642
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 2: we are you. So they chopping as I see Big.

1643
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 2: I thought Big was gonna be like taller, but he

1644
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: was little. But he looked like he was like this.

1645
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: He was having the big ass fur on his hands

1646
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: was up like this. I just remember seeing it because

1647
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 2: it's a blizzard. I'm like, damn, why the nigga walking

1648
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: with his arms up like that's some l a shit.

1649
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 2: I'm just, you know, on my head, I'm you know, breathing.

1650
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: He was breathing the heaviest shit. I'm like, hey, big

1651
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 2: with sup man, nice to be. Oh yeah, what up, dude, Yeah,

1652
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: we smoking up the woo. And then it seems, you know,

1653
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: all the guys, I'm saying, what up. So I'm sitting

1654
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 2: there and I look and I saw two heads right

1655
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 2: under his hands, and that nigga had two chicks under

1656
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 2: that goddamn fur and walked up the steps like that.

1657
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 2: And the whole time he walked, he was walking with

1658
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 2: his arms up. You couldn't even see the girls first

1659
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 2: or the fur was so big. He had it up

1660
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: like this when he was walking. He had the Sachi's on.

1661
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 2: He was walking like this, and it looked like it

1662
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: was all oh him, Joe. He had two He had

1663
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: two chicks under that man. That blew me. Tell me this, Like,

1664
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: one of my favorite All Star games is the one

1665
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 2: in New York.

1666
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: You knew about New York, you knew about the Garden,

1667
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: like you know, Kobe Mike, Like, that's one of my

1668
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: favorite All Star games. Just just explained that night, being

1669
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: in New York, being in the bright lights, being in

1670
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: the garden, and playing in that All Star game.

1671
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: I was with Nike at the time, and Nike, because

1672
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 2: I was a starter, got me this crazy ass fucking room.

1673
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't even know what this was. I don't even

1674
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 2: know if this is a hotel, but it was like

1675
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 2: a condo, but it was like it went all the

1676
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 2: way up, but I had the whole floor and that

1677
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: was my first time having like a room like that,

1678
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 2: and shit was like maybe like ten thousand square feet.

1679
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,919
Speaker 2: She was crazy. My whole mam was in that motherfucker.

1680
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: And I ain't even see them. They was on their side,

1681
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And I was like, what

1682
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 2: the And I just remember New York being magical. It

1683
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: was super cold, and I had to go to all

1684
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: the parties for some reason, I don't know how, but

1685
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: we all went to my part all the parties. I

1686
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: had Goal with me, you know what I'm saying, And

1687
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: I had everybody with me. So everybody was like happy

1688
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: to be able to go to the vib party. This

1689
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: shit all this right, right right. We get to the

1690
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 2: game and ship and this MJ and they really hyping

1691
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: up the cold. MJ like you know what I'm saying,

1692
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: and uh, cold, nervous. It's first time ever seen him nervous.

1693
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 2: And he was like yo, we at the other Star game.

1694
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 2: I was like, look these old last niggas. We going

1695
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: at these niggas. Fuck these niggas. They talking about iceoing

1696
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: on that little like, look we get in here. I'm

1697
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: looking for you, so get in here. So he's like

1698
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: kind of like nah nah. And then what I didn't

1699
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 2: know is they had they had the thing on us.

1700
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: They but you don't know about NBA entertainment. If you

1701
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: cursed in anything, then they're not finna use it. Man.

1702
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 2: But they caught the end of when I adapt him

1703
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: and I hit it, hit his hands, two hands. Yeah, nigga,

1704
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: we forget these niggas. He said, whoa, and you see

1705
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: us and number and I'm gassed and then baking in

1706
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: front of us and everybody in front of us. We

1707
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: get out here and you know, Larry Bird is out here,

1708
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 2: really you know, fucking with Cob Like yeah, shoot it.

1709
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna' gonna shoot him out of it anyway, let

1710
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 2: him let him shoot that ship. You know what I'm saying,

1711
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: cod hearing it cold want the ice, So call h alone,

1712
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: come over there. You know, some some all s ship

1713
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 2: trying to set the pick Cole wavers ass off, watch

1714
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: out move now, I want this going to his ship

1715
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: come to the bitch called all like, man, this motherfucker

1716
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: out the game. But the first second playing the game,

1717
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 2: man going up and I get it. I get on

1718
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 2: the left side, I take one, dentleman. I'm looking at

1719
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: this threward and I threw it right in the middle

1720
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: when what I didn't know, I had split the difference

1721
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: of the free throw line and the gold And when

1722
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 2: I say this, mother fuck up, when I say look,

1723
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: he's supposed to catch it one hand, he caught damn

1724
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 2: mother fucking legs feet up in there. It was crazy.

1725
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 2: And for like two seconds that nigga sat right there dunk.

1726
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 2: Damn mother fuck told your mother fucking she ain't want

1727
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: to catch that ship. Point. Yeah. When I did that

1728
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 2: little heat, he let it all out. He was cool,

1729
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 2: cat looking hey, hey, hey, yeah, let's get it. He was.

1730
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 2: He was in it. By then. Mike was already going.

1731
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: Mike has already had the sweat and Lavin going licking

1732
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,839
Speaker 2: his fingers, blowing this hy oh man. But it was classic.

1733
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 2: It was a perfect place to have that exchange, in

1734
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 2: a place like Madison Square in the city like New York,

1735
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: with those two Titans right there. That was a magical night.

1736
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: Yo, I always loved the clip of Vince Duncan on

1737
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: Old Boy after the USA. Man, oh, but I always

1738
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: love your reaction. It got a company like when when

1739
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: you've seen that Vince just clear him, because Vince didn't

1740
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: know he cleared him, but when you seen he cleared him, Like,

1741
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: how did you feel?

1742
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: I thought of Ronnie? I thought of Ronnie feels. Listen, man,

1743
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: when because I'm not played with fields and seeing fields

1744
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: do some ship, I'm like, god, damn and Vince caught

1745
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 2: a no running feels. They know each other very very well, right,

1746
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 2: But Vince, he's six hey, you know Ronnie sixty three,

1747
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 2: you know six hey? Man. When when he first off,

1748
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: I saw him Finn to try him, I was like, man,

1749
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: did he jump too far? Because you know what he thought.

1750
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: I thought he jumped too I thought he just he

1751
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 2: just went off. I was like, yo, I gotta hit

1752
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 2: it for he getting and he got up before the

1753
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: seven for the kid get erecked. And when he balled up,

1754
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: he clearing dude, and me and GP was like me

1755
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: and GP and Tim Harlowan was like the niggas on

1756
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 2: the team.

1757
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1758
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: You know, we're like yeah, yeah, you know, so I

1759
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: didn't even see it when he swung. I was just like,

1760
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 2: oh my, you just you just sit there. And then

1761
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 2: they took the ball out and there was so we

1762
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 2: couldn't really celebrate like we want to. But I was like,

1763
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 2: yeah for it, man. I pushed him, I tried to

1764
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 2: bowl him, I trying to grab him, but we couldn't.

1765
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: He was like yeah, yeah, okay, we gotta get back.

1766
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: And then the moment was over, so we couldn't like

1767
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 2: really live in it. But I was the reaction after

1768
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: the game, man we got we got to the locker room,

1769
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: GP like, boy, you you know, GP got all that boy,

1770
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 2: you boy boy, your whole boy, boy boy, you know

1771
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 2: GP with his ticket. We all was in there dying laughing.

1772
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: But I think Vince probably shocked himself. If I'm being

1773
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: one hunt and we had him on here.

1774
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 3: We had him on here with us, and we asked

1775
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: him about him. He said, y'all wasn't celebrating the same ship.

1776
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 3: He like, he absolutely thought he jumped from too far.

1777
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 3: So he was like the first he felt like it

1778
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: was like like space. Damn. He felt like he had

1779
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 3: this stretch and doing He was like so when he

1780
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 3: dunked it. He didn't forgot about but he didn't know what.

1781
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 3: He just moved away. He didn't think that he jumped,

1782
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 3: and he was like, I'm hyped because I'm like, hell, y'all,

1783
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 3: I didn't think I was gonna make it. I made ship.

1784
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: So he didn't figure out tied to the game. I

1785
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 3: think he said it was GP's homeboy had one of

1786
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 3: the cameras they y'all watching the replay.

1787
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: He was like, oh, you jumped over him, Like what

1788
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 2: hold on? Let me see that, yuh, because we were

1789
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: thinking at him, like came down like boy, you just

1790
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 2: and GP was like, boy, you just wipe your ass

1791
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: with him. Boy, you see what you just did. He

1792
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 2: didn't even really know, and he actually watched the replay

1793
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: of it, and I was like, damn, I not even

1794
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: I didn't even know none of that. That was crazy.

1795
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 2: I was like, man, get your ass out of here.

1796
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: When I got drafted, they asked me to do the

1797
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated cover with you, So I'm coming to see you.

1798
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm flying the Minnesota. They flying me to Minnesota, and

1799
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: my cousin on the phone.

1800
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: Like, man, you in the league. Now, you can't be

1801
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 2: their friends. You can't be cool, you can't be nothing.

1802
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:27,560
Speaker 2: So I'm in it.

1803
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm just getting off the phone with him, and I

1804
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: get in there and I see you. I'm like, dang

1805
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: this my god, right man, Damn, I can't even say.

1806
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: I was just quiet, chill, mat what you remember from

1807
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 1: from that shoot?

1808
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 2: When I came so the actually they said, so it's

1809
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: a kid coming out of high school and he's gonna

1810
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: be really fucking good. He might go number one. I

1811
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: was like, where where are you from? It's like, man,

1812
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:51,560
Speaker 2: he's singing. Look, I like what? Man? He looked like you,

1813
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 2: they called him. But I was like what. So it

1814
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: was the first time I had somebody actually say something

1815
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: like that, like they wanted to play like you look

1816
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: like you know. I was like, huh, like what play

1817
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: like me? Like, hell no, I ain't got no left hand,

1818
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: Like so I'm in my heir right, So like, yeah,

1819
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: they want you to do it. It's gonna be on

1820
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: sports straight. So I'm like, yea, let's do it. Fucking

1821
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 2: he come from the high school. Yeah, motherfucking man, he

1822
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: supposed to be the wool. So I'm on some light

1823
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 2: all right, Like he played the foe, all right, I'm

1824
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: gonna be the O g Sam mister me, I'm gonna

1825
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: be friendly in this. But I know where broke from.

1826
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 2: It can't be no bitch here and come from me, sat,

1827
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 2: So I already know what you're right. Then the guys

1828
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: get to me. My guys nothing you know, the guys

1829
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 2: street Yeah man, yeah, bro Buddy, yuh be on you know,

1830
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: so you know my CW like, oh lord, you know,

1831
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, for real, I know I fucked with buddy. Now.

1832
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: That's when I was like, when you know, niggas gave

1833
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: me all the kites and all the other ship on

1834
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: what it was, what it was, I was like, oh no, no,

1835
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: that's what's up. Because right when I knew that, right

1836
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: when they told me that, I knew that either you

1837
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: knew about the Forshan game or you had heard about it,

1838
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 2: and that was my link to being in the sainct.

1839
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: So this is what I was gonna lead with. So

1840
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: I remember pulling up and I saw you and it

1841
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 2: was like looking in the mirror of myself, like damn,

1842
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: Nigga looked just like Nigga got the same what's your daddy?

1843
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 2: You got what's your dad? Like we might have to

1844
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: say that and it was love. I remember dapping you.

1845
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: He tacked a little joint. You didn't really say much,

1846
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 2: and then I was like, damn, this nigga acting like me,

1847
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: like I'm a shot nigga on like really talking around

1848
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: people and then people don't really know, might have to

1849
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: play or something, you know, on real finish right, So

1850
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't like buddy buddy on him think I'm cool.

1851
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: And this the era man, you can't even be friends

1852
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: with it because you know you might have to put

1853
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 2: your finger in his face. I'm like, damn, I don't

1854
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 2: want to go ahead like this, but it's so much natural,

1855
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 2: good energy, and I just went with it. And me

1856
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: and D Miles never had a play hard played against

1857
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: each other block nigga shah say ship talk shit woo woo,

1858
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 2: but it was never no out of line ship that

1859
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: never that. But with that, I came in there with

1860
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: wanting to give good energy. And then when the guys

1861
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: gave me all the ones and two, I was like,

1862
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 2: oh hell no, and then we got up. It was

1863
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 2: all cool. Every time I saw you, it was always

1864
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: like that. It was always always appreciate it, always know

1865
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I gotta tell the story, right, baby

1866
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: KG was his favorite player.

1867
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: Right, so we you know, just like you said, young

1868
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 3: young boy ship, we like we first come to play,

1869
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 3: y'all we Clippers.

1870
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 2: We come to Minneapolis, in Minnesota. Never forget this, Me

1871
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 2: and Kean and Corey right, Corey mcgetty ya, Corey maghetty.

1872
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: Ke We all we know we're young, but like, yeah,

1873
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: talk and ship.

1874
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 3: We like we we were talking to him, They're like, yeah,

1875
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 3: I right, not like I don't want to hear. No, hey,

1876
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: ain't no fans ship that. I ain't no favorite players

1877
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 3: to tonight, but who boy? Right, So look we get

1878
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 3: out there, classic clip of fashion, we getting nice told

1879
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 3: out the fucking frame by like twenty plugs.

1880
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: Right, we come in to halftime. I ain't never seen

1881
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: this oute of him. This gonna have this end of

1882
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, the game, he mad.

1883
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 3: He don't never say ship like I'm talking about when

1884
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: I said, don't say nothing like in the team, not

1885
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 3: a lot like this like we are the time out.

1886
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: A g appuntis down there trying to do something, you know, like.

1887
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 5: This ship his boys going about the crib.

1888
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: It was after the game.

1889
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 5: S ain't nobody Hooper like He's like, we're supposed to

1890
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 5: hoop the day were playing him, I said, I said,

1891
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 5: I said, man, you're not his body.

1892
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 2: They so silly, they bugg it up. But after the guy.

1893
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 5: Little you know, game over. Now we we're nineteen. I'm like,

1894
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 5: he eighteen.

1895
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, you kill that ship. Niggas go on, let's

1896
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 2: get on to the next ship. The nigger ain't talk.

1897
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: You can't like that.

1898
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 2: I get it, though. That's that one thought. And that's

1899
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 2: that one you want. That's that one you wanted.

1900
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 3: Man, I said, yo, I said, look, this is the

1901
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 3: first time we saw eighteen. He the kid, he got

1902
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 3: all the money. He don't care about nothing ever everything

1903
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 3: always I said, look.

1904
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 2: At hey, look I watched filming you, right, I watched

1905
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 2: filming you, and I don't I ain't gonna say you

1906
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 2: was bullship and I ain't gonna say that. You know

1907
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 2: you was doing your thing, not playing you. I never forget.

1908
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: I ain't know you had like everything. I came to

1909
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: the bench, I sat that. I was like in my

1910
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 2: own heir was like, man, I ain't see him. Man

1911
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 2: no right to left heat fast fastest ship. Ain't that

1912
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: mother fucker. And I was like, man, hold on. Then

1913
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know you had upset. I knew you could jump,

1914
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, I gotta. As we were

1915
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 2: sitting there flip talking, I'm like, yeah, I gotta all

1916
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 2: that ship. I just watched him take this. I'm seeing

1917
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: a whole new nigga right now. I don't even so,

1918
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, I had to give you some space, chuck

1919
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: you a little bit, grab you early, hold you like.

1920
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 3: I was just yeah, yeah, take me the two thousand

1921
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 3: and four like when Sam and Spree got there, and

1922
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 3: then like that year culminated like in the MVP, Like

1923
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 3: just tell.

1924
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 2: Me about that that whole season. That was a magical

1925
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: year for me, man, because I had started working out

1926
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 2: earlier than later, and it was my first or second

1927
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 2: time working with a trainer. Bought Joe billazar In and

1928
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: I told him I wanted to be stronger, I wanted

1929
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: to do these things. I was having a knee issue,

1930
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 2: so I wanted I didn't want to go through the

1931
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: league and have no knee issue. So I was like,

1932
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: what can I do to whatever this? When I started

1933
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 2: working with Saying, so getting in Saying, Saying started hard

1934
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 2: on my legs and I started really really having like

1935
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: a different level of commitment to the weights. I remember,

1936
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 2: and we was working out in Sam. I had never

1937
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 2: played with somebody that was well. Steph was very smart.

1938
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 2: Steph Steph Hudson and the better point guards I played

1939
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: with and Terrell Brandon, you know what I'm saying TV

1940
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: TV was very smart. So Sam was the first point

1941
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 2: guard that uh that could actually take the game over

1942
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 2: and post up guards. And that was the first time

1943
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 2: I had seen a point guard like just I was like,

1944
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 2: he was just dripping for down and just bag him

1945
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: on down and turnam. And he was so freaking confident.

1946
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:36,799
Speaker 2: That's a layer two. L's was another. He was another

1947
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 2: level of confidence for me. And then Spree was like

1948
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 2: Milwaukee street b o s all day and he was Wow,

1949
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: like Springo, get up, gonna practice hard at ship two hours.

1950
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 2: He was steam like. He was a structured He was

1951
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: like a structured street guy, straight up and down. He

1952
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 2: had his guys, he had things he did, but he

1953
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 2: was he was a tech guy. He would have compute,

1954
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 2: he would build switches and we'll be on the plane,

1955
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: He'll be putting a computer together. And I was like, damn,

1956
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he can fix engines. I ain't know.

1957
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: He was a cough take. He like this, I ain't know.

1958
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: He was just this genius under the hood. When it

1959
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: came to like mechanical shit and computers and shit, he

1960
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 2: was Listen the script on Spree is told. I don't

1961
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 2: want to call him a nerd, but he is a

1962
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: very very educated, very very nerdous kind of guy. That's

1963
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: a real nigga. How to put that together right, But

1964
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: he was that so a lot of times we'd be

1965
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 2: talking basketball and he'll take it from the perspective of, oh, no,

1966
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 2: you know, if you stop jump stop two stop and then,

1967
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 2: And it gave me a chance to hear how people

1968
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 2: process how they saw certain shit. And the reason why

1969
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 2: all three of us worked was because we were caring

1970
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: about each other and then we hung out. We had

1971
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: g Trend on that team, Trenton Hassle. We had a

1972
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 2: dope ass team, and we all fucked with each other

1973
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 2: off the flow. And those teams that socialize, chill with

1974
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 2: each other, beat with each other, and you cannot do

1975
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 2: it the hard teams.

1976
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the league was until I left

1977
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 1: the Clippers because we used to all to be together

1978
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 1: anywhere to travel.

1979
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 4: Even when we were in town.

1980
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: That was one of two guys not having everybody that changed,

1981
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: but Sam and Spree, like these are two guys that

1982
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: they two of my favorite guys.

1983
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 2: But them guys don't get the credit credits.

1984
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 4: And for you for them to be with you, you

1985
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 4: have an MVP season with them, two guys, like what

1986
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 4: do they mean to you?

1987
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 2: So after Steph, I had like a taste of what

1988
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 2: it was a better team with better talent. And what

1989
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean by that is that Spree, coming out of

1990
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 2: New York, had learned how to not only take over games,

1991
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 2: but he had a confidence about himself in his game.

1992
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: Sam was actually proven winner who had won two times

1993
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 2: in Houston, been around Dream who was like the Michael

1994
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: Jordan of the Post and the king of his own right.

1995
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 2: And so how he worked and all that with them,

1996
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 2: Nigga saw how it worked. I did might be and

1997
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 2: see that's when I got their respect, because it was

1998
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 2: every day I didn't It's not a day that that

1999
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 2: didn't go by it I didn't work on someone didn't

2000
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 2: go at it like this and that, and I went

2001
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 2: like this, and I gave them respect. And when we

2002
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 2: put all that ship together, man Flip had the tails

2003
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 2: man y'all, y'all gotta argue something. Y'all gotta get in

2004
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 2: each other way. Y'all, y'all being way too respectful for

2005
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 2: each other, playing good basket man, Joe. It was so easy.

2006
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 2: And then Sam, you know, you know that basketball when

2007
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 2: y'all took a look at each other, you know, he

2008
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: finna go live, You're finna spend live. I hated that ship.

2009
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 2: Y'all did that ship. And then you know that was

2010
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 2: my playoffs. You and Chris Webber, like he was spreading

2011
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 2: up and I was saying, ah, in a minute, I

2012
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 2: took a step. I knew it, so I ain't even right.

2013
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 2: But it was that type of basketball to where with

2014
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: these guys and how we were just messing on the court.

2015
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 2: It was like Sam and Spreeweal like my big brothers.

2016
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 2: To this day, if I see them, it's all love.

2017
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 2: If I see them, I'm gonna go out of my way.

2018
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: If I see them, it's gonna be the same love, chills,

2019
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 2: gonna be whatever. But those were my OG's who who

2020
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 2: was teaching mean, not only things on the court, but

2021
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 2: then teaching me things off the court that I was

2022
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: able to use even at that stage. And I was

2023
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 2: in such a harmony that I was playing like it

2024
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: times where I would get tired in games and I

2025
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: had to not for nagel, but I would have to

2026
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 2: like take a not take a playoff, but I needed

2027
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 2: one and didn't come out and couldn't come out man

2028
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 2: Joe speak, I got it. Pick a roll in here.

2029
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 2: We start calling spreeware plays and having that kind of

2030
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 2: insurance with those two guys, I actually felt like I

2031
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 2: had a chance to ask if we would have went

2032
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 2: to a couple more years With that, I actually thought

2033
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 2: we had a chance to win the winning and all

2034
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 2: real shit because you got to have two people's that's

2035
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:41,640
Speaker 2: on the same lines as you. And this is what

2036
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: I learned. You gotta have somebody that can actually take

2037
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: the game over also and they can lead and they

2038
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 2: can do some of the other things. And that's what

2039
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 2: I found in those two. Those are my first two

2040
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 2: superstar teammates, and that made the team better overnight time flying.

2041
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the championship season from

2042
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: the time you get traded and you hear but just

2043
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: hearing all the stories about their training camp, how y'all

2044
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: went overseas and the connection y'all kind of made the

2045
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: connection Doc brought to that, like, I got a chance

2046
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 1: to get there on training camp after y'all won it,

2047
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 1: and I can instantly see as soon as I walked

2048
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,640
Speaker 1: through the through the locker room, which y'all had just

2049
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: explaining the whole season to video, first year in Boston

2050
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: to b with p and all them get them personality,

2051
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: and they clicked and played the Lakers of all people

2052
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: in the championship.

2053
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 2: You know you don't notice, man, I was trying to

2054
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,560
Speaker 2: actually play with cobD in LA and he was on

2055
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: a tour in China, couldn't get him on the phone.

2056
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 2: And I had a conversation with t Lou and Chauncey

2057
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 2: before I made a decision because they had had movement

2058
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 2: in the league and they knew how the process of

2059
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 2: players moving and leaving, how that whole shit went. So

2060
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 2: they was giving me jews on that this is my

2061
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 2: first time and I had to pick between Phoenix the

2062
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 2: Lakers in Boston, and Steve Nash called me, uh and yeah,

2063
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 2: Phoenix got cut out right away just because of what

2064
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: you said earlier. Solveg didn't want to pay, nobody want

2065
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 2: to cuts and all this sudden shit didn't sound right,

2066
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 2: didn't feel right, So I didn't even you know, go

2067
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 2: to State at the time. Was just too young for

2068
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 2: what they was doing. You know. The Lakers and Boston

2069
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 2: was two teams I really looked at. And then cobD

2070
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 2: couldn't get Cod on the phone. And then I had

2071
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 2: actually had some years playing with p and AAU a

2072
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 2: couple of times. And then on draft night Ray got

2073
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 2: traded there and I was like, damn, Paulson right right right, Damn.

2074
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 2: I was like, man, what kind of man? Who can

2075
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 2: I actually team up and be better than them? Two? So,

2076
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 2: you know, make the announcement, I get there whatever whatever,

2077
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 2: we get there. The first thing I say in front

2078
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 2: of Doc and in front of Right, I said to

2079
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 2: pe because I had talked to Twyn Walker for I

2080
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 2: went and we was at GP had he had renewed

2081
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 2: his valves. So he invited a bunch of people down

2082
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 2: to Laguna and we went down and celebrated with him

2083
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 2: and his wife at the time, and uh, Twye Walker

2084
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 2: put me to the side. He's like, hey, man, you

2085
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 2: know cybertwe Am talk was shot down and shot to

2086
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: cybertwe too, man, one of the best to do it

2087
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 2: straight out, you know, what I'm saying. And we had

2088
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: some battles and I fucked with dude and twyn Walker

2089
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 2: actually made me better from a lot of ship and

2090
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 2: he was one of the one shot him out real ship.

2091
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 2: But he put me to the side. He's like, hey, man,

2092
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 2: let me give you some facts.

2093
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: Man.

2094
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 2: You know, man, you're gonna love pe, but you know

2095
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 2: this is how you got up. And he just went

2096
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 2: through like a little A, B and C with it.

2097
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,560
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, yeah, I can see that.

2098
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 2: You know, I han't being around p since high school,

2099
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: so all these new things, know town hass been in

2100
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 2: the war within and been in the trenches winning and

2101
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 2: all this shit. And he was just giving me some

2102
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 2: like ABC. So when I got to Boston, first thing

2103
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 2: I said, Man, it's a pee man. I just want

2104
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 2: to say this in front of everybody, way right here, Man,

2105
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 2: this is your team. I want you to know, man,

2106
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 2: we're here to make you better. You know, me and

2107
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 2: Ray gonna be your ogs. You know, Doc you're gonna coaches.

2108
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 2: But I want you to know, man, that this is

2109
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:56,560
Speaker 2: yours man, and we're coming up here to make the

2110
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 2: situation better with you. And when I said that, it

2111
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 2: felt like Yeah, it ain't gonna be no ego tripping it.

2112
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 2: Just your ship, bro can be in. Bro, we all

2113
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 2: who we are, and we're gonna all play a part

2114
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 2: in leading this whole thing. We got a bunch of

2115
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 2: young guys looking at us like we got the answers right.

2116
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 2: So the three of us was always on the same

2117
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 2: page from day one, and that's why that thing worked.

2118
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 2: And I start to see how we led, Like if

2119
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: you said something, you know, we all backed that up.

2120
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 2: If d Miles made a point, we backed it up.

2121
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't like you would say something then and I'll

2122
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 2: turn back around a contradiction. Well, none of that was

2123
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 2: always on the same page. And then I go back

2124
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 2: to it. Man, I ain't never hung out with all

2125
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 2: fifteen of my I ain't never did that. Bro. The

2126
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 2: first time we all hung out, I was like, damn.

2127
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 2: Then we went to Italy, but you gotta be together

2128
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 2: and if we're gonna do something, and man, we were

2129
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 2: just oh man, it.

2130
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 3: Was I gotta answer the question about Italy right because

2131
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 3: we had my boy, Big Baby. That's my main man

2132
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 3: shot out, Big Baby, make the.

2133
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 2: Big Baby crazy. Yeah, good what he's saying.

2134
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 3: This ship, he said, he told me when y'all was

2135
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 3: in Italy that he was about he missed the bustles

2136
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 3: and he's about to be late to like the first

2137
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 3: thing that he got on the bikes with with like

2138
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 3: the kids, and he showed up and like you the

2139
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 3: first one looking like the fuck is it?

2140
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 2: Like? Tell me about that first thing that he showed

2141
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 2: up late to, and how crazy big fella. Big fella is,

2142
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 2: guess coming from l SU, but he coming from the

2143
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 2: n C double A. He's feeling good. He in shape,

2144
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 2: he you know, he got he got something. I can tell.

2145
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: Big fella got confidence in himself. So when we work

2146
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: out and we played, I'm just testing seeing with everybody own,

2147
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 2: seeing what everybody else. So I got to playing. He

2148
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 2: ain't as big as I thought he was, you know

2149
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I'm keeping simple with playing ship.

2150
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 2: And then he come down. He hooped, he made us

2151
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 2: a shot. He came down, he did something.

2152
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 3: He said he said he was like he said, he

2153
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 3: told us about that shot. He said get in there,

2154
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 3: get up or something. He said something.

2155
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 2: No, he said something like, big fella, he got to

2156
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 2: step up on that ship. All I ain't stepping up

2157
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 2: on that bullshit. It's like, yeah, big fella got this

2158
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 2: swag out here. I was like, nigga, fuck your swagg

2159
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 2: and he went, big fella, I'll fight, big fella, I'll

2160
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 2: fight out here. I'll fight. I was like, fight what

2161
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,560
Speaker 2: you're talking about, I'm talking about fuck your swem? What

2162
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 2: youre talking about? Ball coming down? So you know we're

2163
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 2: hooping and me and him was cool like that. Ever

2164
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 2: since that, it's changed because Shorty want to sit in

2165
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 2: here listening all to the stories. Now, come on, big fella,

2166
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna get his shots up. Okay, no, come on,

2167
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 2: So every day I would pull a baby and we'll

2168
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 2: go work out every day. That's why hitting that fifteen

2169
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 2: foot of that seventeen foot of that one dribble, pull

2170
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 2: up that two day city life room in politics. Now,

2171
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 2: then we're gonna go inhead. We're gonna get in this

2172
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: weight room. Then, you know, now everybody here lifting together

2173
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 2: shirts office looked like when you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,

2174
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 2: on the yard, screaming each other's face, push up, pushing

2175
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 2: each other high, five fifteen in the weight room. Guards

2176
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 2: over here, Yeah, oh yeah, got this. It looked like

2177
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 2: some jungle shit. Then we go out here bump. So

2178
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: I was on some like yeah, so we go over

2179
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 2: the motherfucker London actually got a huge dinner and we

2180
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 2: got a dinner. So everybody is keeping everybody on park.

2181
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 2: You know, long go off, Hey, Q ain't down, call

2182
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 2: Q room. Make sure he you know that type ship.

2183
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 2: So we get down here like man, baby a you

2184
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,720
Speaker 2: he the rookie, man, go grab him, so rondo some

2185
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 2: of the other young motherfuckers. Man, he ain't ansty so

2186
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 2: the bus league. We get to the dinner. We all

2187
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: sitting in here, you know, the owners in here. This

2188
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 2: is like to commemorate baby come in sweating. First off,

2189
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 2: everybody dressed up, look like he got in a fight

2190
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 2: and got muggs. So his ship all looked like he yeah,

2191
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 2: he should come in here. Man. You know he's super theatrical, right,

2192
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 2: so he come here. Man, listen, I took the bike,

2193
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 2: the kid rode the bike. I drove the bike over here,

2194
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 2: the camp driving lord. We all sit here listen to

2195
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 2: this ship. We all like like, come on, you know that,

2196
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 2: you know you know how you So we were like

2197
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 2: maya ma ma. He said like, hey, oh my mo,

2198
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 2: I'm put this on. You can ask a little boy

2199
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 2: he out there with the bank right now, the camp over,

2200
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 2: Oh my mama, And then you know, all right, baby,

2201
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 2: just some times down when you ain't hitting them. God

2202
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 2: damn them when they find the ship out a baby

2203
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 2: for that ship they find the shit he gave man,

2204
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,600
Speaker 2: Baby got fined a million dollars for that ship, like

2205
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 2: wall Funk. One of one of my one of my

2206
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 2: favorite teammates. Man straight up too. Still to this day.

2207
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 1: When I came to training camp, I used to call

2208
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: my homeboys back home, and I was like, man, Rondo

2209
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: was one of them.

2210
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 2: One.

2211
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the way he played, like he wanted them

2212
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: one speaking on how good Rondo was and how like

2213
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: he got appreciated by playing with some good players, but

2214
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: he showed his ass too by playing with y'all.

2215
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 2: Man, listen, when I was coming over from the trade,

2216
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 2: I had like a little say so on who was

2217
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 2: going to be in the trade, you know what I'm saying,

2218
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 2: or just the leverage of so they had everybody in there,

2219
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: and then I thought the nigga was African. I didn't

2220
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:02,640
Speaker 2: know the name was Jean. I was like, and I

2221
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,719
Speaker 2: had seen this one clip of him in the garden.

2222
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 2: Y'all seen the clip where he's steal it, laid up,

2223
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 2: steal it again and then getting filed and then he

2224
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 2: flip over some shit like it's a famous Yeah, it's

2225
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 2: like some you know what I'm saying. So I see

2226
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 2: that clip, I'm like, hey, look Danny, like I want

2227
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 2: to come over here, but you know, if I come

2228
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 2: over here, y'all got to keep the little African regime

2229
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 2: where he was like you're talking about region. I was like, yeah, Rondo.

2230
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to keep him.

2231
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 2: So I got to see him in practice with all

2232
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 2: the behind the backs and the ghosts and the and

2233
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 2: he just fucking around quiet, don't really say nothing. But

2234
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 2: then we get out here he he he picking up,

2235
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 2: he picking up ninety four, he's zig zag. He just

2236
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, young, and you know, I actually get

2237
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 2: up and double the guard like this here and now.

2238
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 2: And he said, oh yeah, okay, well and we messed

2239
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 2: right away, even though he was quiet. And then they

2240
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 2: were so used to Paul doing stuff and he coming

2241
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 2: in here acting like towron Walker, the whole towron Walker flave,

2242
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I came in here

2243
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 2: doing a whole nother move you know, I would talk

2244
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 2: to the youngins and I would get one on one

2245
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 2: and the rookies they hair shit. I'd get him suits

2246
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,640
Speaker 2: and show him shit and we all go places. And

2247
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 2: so he had to change what he was doing a

2248
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 2: little bit to fit all what we was doing. And

2249
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 2: then Rondo was just so smart that his development just

2250
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 2: being around better players just took off. But he was

2251
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 2: also hardheaded as ship. He was also a little goon.

2252
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 2: He was also in his head. He was also one

2253
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 2: of us. And one of the things we all had

2254
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 2: to take serious was that his development was coming to

2255
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 2: the point where he's gonna be an all star. Not

2256
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 2: just that, but he can. Damn there, he gonna be

2257
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 2: He gonna be it. You can run this, he can.

2258
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 2: He started getting this little jay, you know, for the

2259
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 2: stuff they said he couldn't do. He started knocking that down.

2260
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 2: And we went to Miami one time he punched that

2261
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: bitch on Chris Box came through. I ain't know he

2262
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 2: had that like I was. And then you just start

2263
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: seeing the growth of I was like, man, this this

2264
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 2: motherfucker is a It's just a genius. He's a genius.

2265
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:07,560
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know Rondo actually want to

2266
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 2: be a quarterback. A lot of people don't know that

2267
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 2: he was really into football. He's toughest nails, But I

2268
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 2: always knew. I never worried about Rondo when it was

2269
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 2: somebody that had like a big name. You read what

2270
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 2: you remember when Jeremy Lynn had that. When Jeremy Lee

2271
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 2: killed the league seven eight games went crazy. Man, that

2272
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 2: was up every day. You know, people come in may Yo,

2273
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 2: say Jeremy Lyn, Jamie Lyn. God damn. We used to

2274
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 2: have a little say in the locker room. Man, suck

2275
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 2: him off, Suck him off, like, get off that nigga

2276
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 2: trash like dangn Linz saying he transd ain't ship, which

2277
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 2: I see this nigga like you know, no, you know,

2278
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 2: I'm riding with you now. I'm nine to five all day.

2279
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 2: I be damn what well we played New York. It

2280
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 2: wasn't even close, y'all. He wasn't talk. He was in

2281
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 2: his zone and he ate Dude, He ate Jeremy and

2282
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 2: he stopped that little seven game whatever. We stopped it.

2283
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 2: And then dude like a little slide after that. Then thing,

2284
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 2: but man, Doe is one of them ones. Man. He

2285
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 2: kept it in check and then was talking crazy. I

2286
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 2: love to watch Rondo and Derrick Rose. Oh, young Derrick

2287
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 2: Rose too. Yeah, that s d Ro shout the d

2288
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 2: Rose man. Yeah, because de Rose came to the league

2289
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 2: and had to get his respect. Y'all got it fucked up.

2290
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 2: And then his brothers and everything. Front Road shot in

2291
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 2: that same ship and they've been consistent throughout it.

2292
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 3: But one thing about d Road brou all us from

2293
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 3: the crib. He lived it. He lived the Chicago kids'

2294
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 3: biggest dream. That man came in and set that bitch

2295
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 3: on fire, young as MVP put on for the he

2296
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 3: Legit was the heartbeat in the post of the city.

2297
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 3: When he got hurt, the whole city was hurt.

2298
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 4: When you finally won that championship out of that.

2299
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 2: Bro, it was like it was like that saying hill

2300
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 2: that I had started runn that you can never get

2301
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 2: to the top, And damn man if I had to

2302
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 2: get to the top of all my legs and Shito

2303
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 2: was burning so much to have to damn this slide

2304
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 2: on my back to get in this mother. You feel me, man,

2305
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 2: we was playing the Lakers. I never forget, you know,

2306
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,560
Speaker 2: Cold was so arrogant, so much talking to me like

2307
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,679
Speaker 2: they had already won it. He was like, man, first

2308
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 2: was you know, you never get your first you know

2309
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. He was

2310
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 2: just talking to me on some big brother shit like man,

2311
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 2: get your ass out of you know. I remember I'm

2312
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 2: older than Bro, and I'm holding it like I'm the

2313
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 2: big bro. So every time I see him, I'm holding

2314
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 2: it like that. I ain't you mean to me no,

2315
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 2: But you know he don't want a couple too, so

2316
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 2: he talking that ship. But I'm like, yeah, this ain't Minnesota.

2317
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, ship, I should do like this

2318
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 2: right now. It's a different rado, you know what I'm saying.

2319
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 2: And then people like shut up, I'm over here too,

2320
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 2: you know. True. So he had this three headed monster.

2321
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 2: Then here come down like ship, what you what you mean?

2322
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 2: And then you got a little rondo over here like

2323
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 2: watching it all peep in there right like, and Bro

2324
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 2: looked around was like damn, like yeah hit by yourself. Boy,

2325
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 2: hadn't that little pittu where you see us looking at him?

2326
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 2: Like boy, you tripping boy? You out here by your

2327
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 2: no niggas out here with you? Boy, you out here

2328
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 2: by yourself here with foreigners and shiit nigga, I'm just

2329
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 2: like this. They got the picture and if you see

2330
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 2: his face, he really liked he was about to steal

2331
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 2: me or something. I'm like, stop it, and I'm looking

2332
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 2: at him just like this is a picture where I

2333
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 2: got my hands on my heads on looking at it

2334
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 2: like yah chime and he like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

2335
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 2: Well he said, yeah, you out here by yourself, and

2336
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 2: he was feeling that. The next year he got our

2337
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 2: tests trade off. But to win that bitch d Miles. Man,

2338
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 2: it was like the pinnacle of everything that I worked for,

2339
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,560
Speaker 2: everything I had put into this shit. It was the

2340
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 2: culmination of it, man, Like it was the ending. It

2341
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 2: was almost like not the ending of something, but it

2342
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 2: was like you had worked so hard for something and

2343
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 2: here you are to accomplish it. A lot of motherfucks

2344
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 2: said you couldn't even get to this ship, just like

2345
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 2: they said that you wouldn't be in the league or

2346
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 2: you couldn't make the fucking NBA. So it took me

2347
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 2: back to some of those roots. And once you winning, man,

2348
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 2: you get this like this just layer about you or

2349
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 2: this confidence, Like I understand why Mike came in and

2350
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 2: looked at people the way he used to look at

2351
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 2: people Elijah on or the people that have wonted multiple times,

2352
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 2: because once you figure out the code on how to

2353
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 2: win it, now you know you know what you have

2354
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 2: to do. You know you got to get to the

2355
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 2: free throw line at certain parts, fourth quarters, you have

2356
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 2: to do these certain things defensively, certain things like this.

2357
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 2: You can't be in no foul trouble at certain parts

2358
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 2: like this. It's a cold, But I didn't know all

2359
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 2: this time that cold going through all us. You know,

2360
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 2: Phil Jackson got him on the phone with Mike. You

2361
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, might give him Jews, might tell

2362
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 2: them you know, they go like this, Yeah, that's what

2363
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying that to me, Yo, we don't all get

2364
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 2: that exposure. What I'm saying, Bro, that's almost like cheating.

2365
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 2: No kid, like you got the cheat cold here. If

2366
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 2: all of us had the cheat cold like this, you

2367
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 2: don't think so so. Yeah. But but to win it, man,

2368
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 2: and then to win it with the guys on how

2369
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 2: close we were all well? Man? Was it was perfect?

2370
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: It was perfect? Man.

2371
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 1: When you got announced to be a Hall of Family, right,

2372
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,679
Speaker 1: how was that when you when you heard that because

2373
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,599
Speaker 1: win championship, you have this great career, and man, they

2374
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 1: calling your name to be Hall of Fame. Now you

2375
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: in there, you're finna get the gold face.

2376
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 2: Like like that it came back. I wasn't even I

2377
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 2: wasn't even I wasn't even ready for that. Like I

2378
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:19,560
Speaker 2: was on some re tire ship, trying to chill and

2379
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 2: just be retired and let ship heal and kids and yeah, yeah,

2380
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 2: you know, you know, hall of Fame, Hall of Fame,

2381
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. And I was like, what, huh. I

2382
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 2: thought that ship was like six years or like ten

2383
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 2: years or something. No, no, no, no, Hall of Fame. Yeah, well,

2384
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:38,640
Speaker 2: you know, and then this is the class you Timmy Kobe. Uh.

2385
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 2: I was like, huh, that's that's that's my name. I

2386
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 2: couldn't even put my hands around that. Then, you know,

2387
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 2: as you get closer to it, you got to go

2388
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 2: to a meeting and then you gotta do some press.

2389
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 2: Then I was like each time I showed up, I

2390
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 2: was like kind of like slapping myself, like, damn the

2391
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 2: fuck I'm still talking about this left handed? How I

2392
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 2: can't right over talk this shit. So the gear it

2393
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 2: took me back to, you know, dribbling at five in

2394
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 2: the morning. And West telling me to pick my head

2395
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 2: up to you know, to beating Bear in Springfield and

2396
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,760
Speaker 2: watching Gold run out of Parking, you know, being out

2397
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 2: here for the Booty Bounce video and playing in Chicago

2398
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 2: and Man being in the village and Gid's about the

2399
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 2: smash on and I get us out of here, and man,

2400
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 2: it was just like taking me through all this ship

2401
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 2: like it was just man, man shout to you know,

2402
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 2: niggas that held me down and just was there for

2403
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 2: me and and Wolf and escrage, and it just took

2404
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 2: me through all of it. It took me through all

2405
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 2: of it. And I was like, damn, yo, I got

2406
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 2: a real lifelike fantasy story. Like, man, I survived all

2407
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 2: that shit. Sit here and put the jacket on. So

2408
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 2: I took my two daughters. They like seeing kind of

2409
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 2: the like you know, your kids wasn't with you through

2410
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:54,720
Speaker 2: the first part, you know what I'm saying. So they

2411
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 2: want to go through when you go right back around

2412
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 2: the block to do the rid, they want to be

2413
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 2: with you just heard about it. Daughter was all into

2414
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 2: that and just it was just a great moment for

2415
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 2: all of us to have and share together. But it

2416
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,559
Speaker 2: was something that I totally didn't have on my radar. Man,

2417
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 2: how was it getting your jersey put up in the rafters? Though?

2418
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 3: It was another thing, especially like you know, you know,

2419
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, Minnesota one thing, but Boston.

2420
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't expect Boston to do that. If I'm

2421
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 2: being honest, I thought I knew Pete because he had

2422
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 2: been there, had put it in the time. I didn't

2423
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 2: know if they was gonna do like Towryn Walker, but

2424
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 2: you know, I was just thinking about people that came there,

2425
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 2: not to you know what I'm saying, Twyn Walker, what's

2426
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 2: the reason. I actually started watching Boston Celtics again and

2427
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 2: he had some magical moments there with Pete. So I

2428
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 2: didn't really know, you know, I really didn't. I really

2429
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,680
Speaker 2: didn't expect them to actually go there. And then they

2430
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 2: announced it without even talking. Oh yeah, Boston plans to

2431
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 2: retired Kevin's five. And I was like, uh the fuck?

2432
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 2: Who made that up? Like who said that? And then

2433
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, this is what we want to do.

2434
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 2: And it was kind of after the fact. So it

2435
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 2: was just one of one of them things where I

2436
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 2: was just super appreciative. I didn't know that I ain't know,

2437
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 2: you know, I knew Boston fans are fans of me,

2438
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:03,680
Speaker 2: but I ain't know they fuck with me like that,

2439
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I got in their motherfucker

2440
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 2: and the game was over and people were supposed to

2441
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 2: be leaving, people like, what the fuck this shit packed

2442
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 2: in here? And yeah, I just I just in my

2443
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 2: greatest day of writing a fantasy in a script mode.

2444
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 2: I can never write something that something even close to

2445
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 2: what I've just experienced. But yeah, those are magical moments

2446
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 2: that I take to my grave, being real magical moments man,

2447
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 2: that you earned, you know what I'm saying.

2448
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I were twenty one because you wore twenty one,

2449
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. I never heard the reason why you wore

2450
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: twenty one. Why twenty one was the number.

2451
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 2: When I was in high school, my two favorite players

2452
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 2: was Dominique Wilkins and Malik Silly. And Malik Silly played

2453
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:49,639
Speaker 2: at Saint John's and he played for a coach named

2454
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 2: Luke Cutasaka. And if you ever seen Luke Katasaka, Luke

2455
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 2: Kutasaka looks like and I'm probably fucking this name up,

2456
01:51:55,479 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 2: so I apologize. I'm not the best pronunciator, right equip Yeah,

2457
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 2: uh yeah, throw that out there. But uh Lou Cottasaka

2458
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 2: used to look like he was Don poblo or some

2459
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 2: ship used to wear the big mob glasses, used to die. No,

2460
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 2: you got to throw it like this. He was and

2461
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 2: he was my favorite coach to watch on CBS. When

2462
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 2: when when Saint John's used to play big I used

2463
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 2: to man, I used to watch the Big East, Saint

2464
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 2: Saint John's against Georgetown and that was that that, you know,

2465
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 2: Big John against Loud like that was that was that

2466
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 2: was everything for me, you know what I'm saying. I

2467
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 2: was a huge Derrick Coleman fan with Syracuse. So the

2468
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:37,360
Speaker 2: Big East used to be the ship, right, So I

2469
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:40,280
Speaker 2: used to watch that. But Malik silly, this dark skin

2470
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 2: looked like us, you know what I'm saying. Look got

2471
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,680
Speaker 2: a little Jay Twint and I don't even know him

2472
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 2: and Dominique. And Dominique was in Georgia, you know, right

2473
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 2: down the street from where I was growing up. You know,

2474
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 2: we used to go to Freakniek and Atlanta and ship

2475
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 2: like this. And Dominique came out there and I never

2476
01:52:54,600 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 2: get he was in the Little Hair Show too. I

2477
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 2: told him to me and my boy sitting there Washington

2478
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 2: my mom did have, so we used to go to

2479
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 2: you know, these little hash aws and shit man Nick

2480
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 2: up there, try to get all the gravity told me

2481
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 2: to scraam beat it, y'all, get y'all last out of here.

2482
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 2: But Dominique was my favorite player and he wore twenty one.

2483
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 2: But I was also a Magic fan. So I go

2484
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 2: out for the mall to the high school team and

2485
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 2: this kid named Travis Cuckley. He was a senior and

2486
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,599
Speaker 2: he wore thirty two. So I couldn't get thirty two,

2487
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,680
Speaker 2: so they had twenty one, so I took twenty one.

2488
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: I rode it all the way to the whales. Tell

2489
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 2: me this though, like I know you like like him.

2490
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,560
Speaker 2: He's a high schooler, he's tall, black, like you.

2491
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 3: The twenty one. He wont to wear your jersey. You

2492
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,040
Speaker 3: got a lot of kids that probably wore twenty one

2493
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 3: because of you. But how do we feel to have

2494
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 3: somebody that's a guard, somebody that's like Patrick Bevery is

2495
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:47,600
Speaker 3: from that West side of Chicago that took and he

2496
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:51,679
Speaker 3: basically embodies everything that you was about, Like that level

2497
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 3: of intensity, the tennasty, being able to lock in, Like,

2498
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 3: how does that feel for you to see like man,

2499
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 3: that's a guard who want to be like me? Who

2500
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm his favorite player? How does that feel? That don't

2501
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 3: really happen a lot for big men.

2502
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't look I didn't look at it like that.

2503
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 2: I looked at her like he was like he was

2504
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 2: part of the DNA, like that energetic DNA that that'll

2505
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 2: pick you up, that outwork you, that are just you know,

2506
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 2: you see it in their eyes. You know. I knew

2507
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 2: Dee Miles was about it when I saw him, you

2508
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Came out there, Like I said,

2509
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 2: I watched the tape and then I asked to play

2510
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 2: it and I see how big his eyes was. How

2511
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 2: you want it like that right there? You can't. That's

2512
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 2: speaking for itself, you know what I'm saying.

2513
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 3: Tell me this, you didn't got a couple of healty

2514
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 3: sense acts like you know, brings trucked and backed up

2515
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 3: to your house. I like, yeah, A couple few times

2516
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 3: I like to ask a question like not like what

2517
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 3: you when you took care of moms or any of that,

2518
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 3: like what cave? What did the big ticket do when

2519
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 3: you wanted to treat yourself? When you like what was

2520
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 3: your biggest persons where you was like, yeah, I did that,

2521
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 3: Like you know, you probably won't do it now. But

2522
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 3: back then the young young ticket was like yeah.

2523
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 2: Young ticket was wow. Man might take like five of

2524
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 2: the guys and you know, had the juryman show up.

2525
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:02,800
Speaker 2: Everybody get y'all some man, everybody, get y'all. Ship. You know,

2526
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 2: I might go to the range joint and I call

2527
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:07,640
Speaker 2: it the rainbow. You know, we might pick out the

2528
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 2: gold joint. You might pick out the navy blue. Bug

2529
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 2: got the white joint. I'm gonna take the black joint

2530
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 2: and get my girl. You know what I'm saying. My

2531
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 2: sister gonna.

2532
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is just we ain't heard this. This is

2533
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 3: group activities. Everybody bought something for themselves. No this man,

2534
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 3: I might the crew straight up. Then we was the

2535
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 3: first to start doing this. Traveling to Miami. Fuck that hotel.

2536
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,640
Speaker 3: We're gonna get a crib. We're gonna keep the crib

2537
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 3: for thirty days.

2538
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 2: We're in here. Get the FUX five cars, we're gonna

2539
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 2: rent them. Get the boat. Pull the back here, put

2540
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 2: the three four s's in here. Man, have about ten

2541
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 2: you feel me say, hey, close that door. We're in here.

2542
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 2: Oh ship, we're right across the street from shack. What's up?

2543
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 2: Good luck in the fires tomorrow dog, Yeah, we're gonna watch.

2544
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna pull up man next day. We're going to

2545
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 2: game n like the people in here, man, like a

2546
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 2: seventy I got a seventy man dice game out in

2547
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 2: the back. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna watch that shit

2548
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 2: in here on the eight TVs that's in here. You

2549
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I got a whole girl. She's like, Yo,

2550
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 2: where you at? Oh man, I forgot. I was had

2551
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 2: a girl supposed to have been home like fifteen days.

2552
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 2: I stayed like forty five. Then I show up we hooping.

2553
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:25,400
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm finna move down here. Then I start

2554
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 2: buying house right, move down here? Did I get a

2555
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 2: place in Miami? Right right? All right? I messed around,

2556
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 2: mess with a girl in La. I got a crip

2557
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:39,560
Speaker 2: in La. I got a crib here like we'm young.

2558
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 2: Ticket was like, yeah, yeah, early days is early days.

2559
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been in the finals, you want championships, You've

2560
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 1: been in some of the most intense in drilling RUSS games.

2561
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: And with that being in drilling and rush when you're

2562
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 1: not playing no more, that's a drug that you can't duplicate.

2563
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:00,879
Speaker 1: You can't remake it. You can't remake up a stadium

2564
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 1: full of people screaming against.

2565
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:04,040
Speaker 2: You, all with you.

2566
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 1: Now you retired and like how and you you one

2567
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 1: of the most intensively Like what do you do to?

2568
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 2: Like man, I gotta release this because I gotta get

2569
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:16,200
Speaker 2: hype on.

2570
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 1: So I gotta release this and give this energy because

2571
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 1: I can't get it no more from from the game.

2572
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 2: Film is my my new it. Okay, Like when I retired,

2573
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 2: I always told people, I put the monster under the bed.

2574
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:30,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, had to put him, put

2575
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 2: him away. But I don't believe that you have greatness.

2576
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 2: So you have a work ethic in you, and after

2577
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 2: you retire, you just turn it off. I get up,

2578
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 2: I work out every day from Monday to Friday, take

2579
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:43,120
Speaker 2: my kids to school every morning, and then I start

2580
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 2: my day with how have I start my day? And

2581
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm a structured dude. That's how That's why that works

2582
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 2: for me. But in basketball, I play with a passion

2583
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 2: and I can actually say today film kind of is

2584
01:57:56,360 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 2: like my equivalent to basketball. When I get passionate a

2585
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:02,760
Speaker 2: project or something I came up with, y'all, met Church.

2586
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 2: Him and our partners were own a company called Content Cartel,

2587
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 2: and a part of it is bringing projects that speak

2588
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 2: to the person and being able to educate the person.

2589
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:18,879
Speaker 2: But things that we can all say that we can understand,

2590
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 2: or things that would take you into another ram. But

2591
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:24,600
Speaker 2: some of these projects speak so strongly to me that

2592
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 2: I'm passionate as just like as if I'm in basketball,

2593
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 2: and Church will tell you when I go into a

2594
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 2: rift and I'm trying to get you to see what

2595
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 2: I'm trying to, you know, trying to build. I go

2596
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,240
Speaker 2: into the rift and you think we out here hooping

2597
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:42,320
Speaker 2: or you think it be that energy, and I'll grab

2598
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 2: Church and I'll be pointing and I'll be letting. Then

2599
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 2: you'll be like, oh shit, and I'll tell you the

2600
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,600
Speaker 2: story from that energy. Not even knowing that I'm doing

2601
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 2: it like that, I just feeling so strong about it. Yeah,

2602
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 2: And I didn't even know I was doing it like

2603
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 2: that until Man, Joe, every time you tell a fucking

2604
01:58:58,280 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 2: story that you care about, boy, I'll be seeing this

2605
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 2: shit on the wall, and that's I was like, oh wow,

2606
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:06,480
Speaker 2: this is my new calling. So, you know, being able

2607
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 2: to educate and help people. I actually wanted to go

2608
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 2: into training. That's why you saw me. When I first

2609
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 2: got out, I was working with like Greek, and I

2610
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 2: was working with some of the young guys coming out,

2611
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 2: like Jared Jack and that was coming out of the

2612
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:20,000
Speaker 2: draft that time. And then the NBA teams got got

2613
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 2: like weird and wanted their own people in here to

2614
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,880
Speaker 2: come in and do some of the player development stuff.

2615
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 2: So I had to find like my calling. I love basketball,

2616
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 2: I probably always will. I love to teach basketball. I

2617
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 2: don't like the coach, I ain't none of that shit,

2618
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 2: But teaching I can show you how to a B

2619
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 2: and C and the things that I know right. And

2620
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 2: I felt like a lot of times when I watched basketball,

2621
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 2: a lot of those little AB and c's I'm missing

2622
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 2: from the game. So I'll be feeling compelled, just like

2623
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 2: if y'all watching the game and you'll be like, dam

2624
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 2: why ain't shoot the three right there? And then he

2625
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 2: was a great three point shooting better than him, and

2626
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,720
Speaker 2: I you can actually have an expertise on that and

2627
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:56,200
Speaker 2: give it to that player now to help him. It

2628
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 2: ain't enough of that. I see niggas training kids who

2629
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 2: ain't never played in the NBA ain't played in college.

2630
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 2: What are you playing in fucking high school? You want

2631
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:06,360
Speaker 2: to go to them? I'm saying, everybody down here, everybody

2632
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 2: and all their games look just like. Lord, I don't

2633
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 2: know why we're doing the side step to the three ship.

2634
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,000
Speaker 2: That looked like the most difficult shot I've ever seen.

2635
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 4: They work on the same all their games look just alike.

2636
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm like, what is everybody in the same gym

2637
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:22,520
Speaker 2: working out on the same ship?

2638
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:25,120
Speaker 3: Like, no, big think I see the damn hoop? No more, No,

2639
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 3: he's just like even when we love before a week

2640
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:31,000
Speaker 3: love like we want to run, when the run, When

2641
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 3: the run?

2642
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 2: Not even that for what happened to when wanting to

2643
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:36,880
Speaker 2: play the best? And when run, that's when we coming.

2644
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,480
Speaker 2: We're going. We're going to Vegas. We're doing l a

2645
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 2: heet with a training now going into a locker gym

2646
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:45,480
Speaker 2: working out for fifteen thirty forty minutes, Like, come on, man,

2647
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 2: like just different, bro. So I say all that to

2648
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,920
Speaker 2: say that, yeah, my new ventures, man, or my new passions,

2649
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 2: all the things to actually speak to me today, those

2650
02:00:56,240 --> 02:00:58,160
Speaker 2: are the things that you know make me excited.

2651
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:01,000
Speaker 1: Out of all the teammate you had, if you had

2652
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 1: four other teammates to pick to be your ultimate five

2653
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:08,320
Speaker 1: from Minnesota to Boston to.

2654
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:14,640
Speaker 4: Other players to create a five man team.

2655
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:19,000
Speaker 2: Who beat the four other players? Man, you ain't. I

2656
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 2: gotta make a team. Yeah, this five fire. You gotta

2657
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 2: picked four in you.

2658
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 1: Got all your teammates, you have what would that five

2659
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 1: look like like? We didn't have some fires where there's

2660
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 1: been some night fires that we gotta make a brack

2661
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:34,280
Speaker 1: some heat.

2662
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, this the foxhole. God, damn, that's terrible.

2663
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 2: Two s's p Pierce. I'm gonna go spree well, right,

2664
02:01:53,120 --> 02:02:00,200
Speaker 2: Joe Smith and myself? Who the whole five of I

2665
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 2: got Sam Cassell at the point. Yeah, over steph, over steph.

2666
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 2: I got p Pierce at the two. Okay, I got

2667
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 2: Spree Wheel at the three, and they gonna be able

2668
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 2: to switch everything me and Joe, and then I got

2669
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:19,120
Speaker 2: g Trent, Trey Hudson, Trenton Hassle, and Ray Allen. Even

2670
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 2: though I actually start, I gotta have Rondo and Ray

2671
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:22,920
Speaker 2: in that somewhere, you know what I'm saying. And big

2672
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:24,360
Speaker 2: Baby looked fat ass somewhere in.

2673
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,320
Speaker 1: The start bench cut. You gotta start one. You got

2674
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:29,800
Speaker 1: you got to trade one. You got trade one, not cut.

2675
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 1: You got trade one? Okay, whoever Duncan?

2676
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 2: She? Who would you start? Who? That's a terrible game.

2677
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:48,200
Speaker 2: Ship ship, Oh ship? You know Chris Webber, my favorite player.

2678
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 2: Ship you ain't ship. That's why he did it. That's why,

2679
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:55,240
Speaker 2: Oh ship. What's the thing I gotta play with? One?

2680
02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 2: Trade one? Kill one?

2681
02:02:57,240 --> 02:03:01,040
Speaker 1: What's start one? You got a bench one and you

2682
02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:04,320
Speaker 1: got a trade one. Trouble.

2683
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:09,440
Speaker 2: It's like that Washington situation when it was women and Juwan.

2684
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:13,480
Speaker 2: You gotta figure it out. Ship. Damn, that's a fucked

2685
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:20,680
Speaker 2: up game. Damn. Yeah, I'm gonna start she mm hmm.

2686
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:26,080
Speaker 2: What's the second one? Bench? Yeah, I'm a bench web

2687
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:28,840
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna trade Duncan because I know that's gonna

2688
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 2: piss him off. So when I see Timmy, I'm gonna

2689
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:34,160
Speaker 2: get Timmy's best and that's what I want. So it

2690
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:38,520
Speaker 2: ain't even personal what I'm saying. Man, Thank you, bro, Seriously,

2691
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 2: this has been long overdue. I'm glad I did it

2692
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:42,040
Speaker 2: when we did it, though.

2693
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you're definitely one of the ones that you

2694
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:48,680
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. We both saw identified, you know,

2695
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:50,280
Speaker 3: from the crib from early on.

2696
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:53,040
Speaker 2: One of the biggest. That did it? Man, We definitely

2697
02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:54,040
Speaker 2: had to get you on here.

2698
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:59,840
Speaker 1: Definitely appreciate goddam you know I'm watching your dream made

2699
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:02,320
Speaker 1: me dream brothers to be who I am? Man, that's

2700
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 1: twenty one. I hold it dearly man, Man, come up

2701
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:07,640
Speaker 1: under you. We definitely appreciate you, bro, so thank you.

2702
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 2: I appreciate you all having me on him. Man, I'm

2703
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:11,760
Speaker 2: a huge fan of enough of else man, I appreciate it,

2704
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:12,360
Speaker 2: real shit.

2705
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:32,200
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