Speaker 1: Two on the move Darling Jeep Speedways past Hell. From
Speaker 1: the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 2: This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. He's got I have
Speaker 2: hands in the playoffs?
Speaker 1: What is up Dolphins? And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show,
Speaker 1: I have a long monologue I wrote about team building,
Speaker 1: quarterback play traits of a quarterback, next process season, just
Speaker 1: kind of a convoluted way of looking at things and
Speaker 1: where Dolphins fans might be feeling right now. Plus I
Speaker 1: want to play some sound from coach McDaniel about going forward,
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, some of the run game stuff, some
Speaker 1: valuable commentary among his Tuesday press conference. All of that
Speaker 1: and more from the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist
Speaker 1: Health Training Complex. This is the Drive Time Podcast. Fans
Speaker 1: of old Locked on Dolphins prior to Kyle Krabs when
Speaker 1: I was the host of that show the twenty nineteen season,
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite comments to read was how
Speaker 1: that podcast got a lot of Dolphins fans through a
Speaker 1: very tough season. And not that we're there already, but
Speaker 1: you can see remnants of it. I've spoken about it
Speaker 1: on the Film podcast, on the Sunday podcast about my
Speaker 1: fears of this thing potentially going off the rails quickly
Speaker 1: if things don't change and if you don't get the
Speaker 1: quarterback back. And that year, I had a lot of
Speaker 1: content that was based around other NFL happenings and a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of draft content and college football content
Speaker 1: as we geared up for that run and that build
Speaker 1: with all those picks and all that money. Of course,
Speaker 1: you don't have the picks and the money this time around,
Speaker 1: but you might. You might, depending on how everything goes.
Speaker 1: We have fourteen games left, you might be dipping back
Speaker 1: into that quarterback pool once again. So I want to
Speaker 1: start today's podcast with some commentary, and even before that,
Speaker 1: some commentary to set up the commentary. So the first
Speaker 1: thing here this is show housekeeping. That dolphin sound drop
Speaker 1: in and out of breaks was mostly a joke. I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny, and sometimes I use this podcast
Speaker 1: as my own playground for funny one thing or one
Speaker 1: that I probably let it run a little bit too long.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you guys, I kind of space
Speaker 1: it on that a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'll admit that. Take a mea colpa to that.
Speaker 1: But one thing I found funny was I told myself
Speaker 1: the minute somebody talks about it on social media or
Speaker 1: in the reviews or comes up to me and says, hey,
Speaker 1: you got to get rid of that, I'm gonna move it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it out of the show.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm doing today because somebody on Twitter
Speaker 1: told me, for the love of God, please take out
Speaker 1: the Dolphins SoundBite, and so I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: do that, and I have a new transition sound in
Speaker 1: and out of breaks. That's what I've been hearing on
Speaker 1: another podcast. Trying to do my best to make this
Speaker 1: podcast grow and get better. So we're gonna do that. Okay,
Speaker 1: housekeeping done off the top here. Second, I've been thinking
Speaker 1: a lot about this, and I want to make perfectly
Speaker 1: clear that I don't know what the future holds with
Speaker 1: one with OOS, But I also don't think it's as
Speaker 1: simple as you are eligible to come off the ir
Speaker 1: you are the starting quarterback against the Arizona Cardinals when
Speaker 1: you get back.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is, I hope it is.
Speaker 1: If you told me that was the case guaranteed, and
Speaker 1: in fact, after the Buffalo game, it took me like
Speaker 1: five days to get over what felt like a breakup
Speaker 1: before I thought all right, I'm ready to go. And
Speaker 1: then right after that happened, we got the Tua to
Speaker 1: IR news and it felt right back in the same place.
Speaker 2: So if if we get to a healthy.
Speaker 1: And for every game back in, baby, I think they
Speaker 1: can overcome the offensive ras early on. That's what the
Speaker 1: beginning part of the season typically is, even if it
Speaker 1: hasn't been that way for the Dolphins in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years.
Speaker 2: I would buy all the way back in. But I
Speaker 2: don't think it's that simple.
Speaker 1: But if it is, and you tell me I get
Speaker 1: him back for the Cardinals game, I am saying that
Speaker 1: press box on Monday night, clutching my Aqua orange tinted
Speaker 1: binoculars with each of these next three games, really not
Speaker 1: just the Monday night game, with the intensity of somebody
Speaker 1: desperate four win. I think you guys know that, right.
Speaker 1: You have to know that. Hell, this podcast has finally
Speaker 1: gotten back to more truth than my own thoughts opposed
Speaker 1: to you know, I guess, more bureaucratic type of podcasting
Speaker 1: these last couple of years, And I'm just happy as
Speaker 1: hell about that. I think the audience here can come
Speaker 1: along with me on that thought right, understands that thought right.
Speaker 1: But the way I see it, man, if ain't to
Speaker 1: at some point, then brother, what is even the point?
Speaker 1: And I hate saying this because it's so much bigger
Speaker 1: than one player every team in the league is. It's
Speaker 1: so much bigger than the future. You have a ton
Speaker 1: of people that put in more time than even humanly
Speaker 1: comprehendible to put their bodies on the line each week,
Speaker 1: and they deserve a fighting chance. Like when I think
Speaker 1: about the future and changes in the draft, all of
Speaker 1: that stuff, even thinking about now, it makes me like
Speaker 1: sad that it's September I'm having this conversation. But when
Speaker 1: I think about that, I harken back to a Zach
Speaker 1: Steeler who works his butt off and does everything the
Speaker 1: right way and refuses to come off the field and
Speaker 1: dominates the opposition all day long. And for what for
Speaker 1: the offense to score three points and for the fans
Speaker 1: to be interested in the draft next season? Like, it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's a tough dichotomy. And I absolutely condemned the reaction
Speaker 1: after a game or two to call for replacements, whether
Speaker 1: it's on the field or in the coaching positions. I
Speaker 1: think it's just knee jerk reaction that has been amplified
Speaker 1: by the onset of social media and our addiction to
Speaker 1: takes and firing off our emotions every chance we get.
Speaker 1: And I say, all of that is someone who's starting
Speaker 1: to have the exact same questions about the same issues
Speaker 1: persisting and what that might mean and if it continues,
Speaker 1: then what is next. So please don't take that as
Speaker 1: a holier than thou comment. I promise it's not that.
Speaker 1: But damn it, man, there are two things I've learned recently,
Speaker 1: and I think you have to approach this sport and
Speaker 1: really this league, because it's you know, there's so much
Speaker 1: parody and it's so tight every single week. You have
Speaker 1: to approach it kind of like professional poker players do.
Speaker 1: And for those that never watched poker, you know, during
Speaker 1: the boom back in the early two thousands, like Doyle Brunson,
Speaker 1: the legend og of the game, used to always say,
Speaker 1: you spend your whole life trying to master this game.
Speaker 1: But it's a useless pursuit because it is impossible to
Speaker 1: master it. And I think about covering the NFL in
Speaker 1: that way a lot like, I feel like I really
Speaker 1: really know what I'm talking about with quarterbacks. I think
Speaker 1: the track record speaks for itself. There I have plenty
Speaker 1: of blind spots. I think I've probably missed on cornerbacks
Speaker 1: more than any other spot. I thought Noah Igbinoghny was
Speaker 1: going to be a really good player, way wrong, way
Speaker 1: wrong on that. But there's definitely positions that are worse
Speaker 1: than others. But one thing I picked up over all
Speaker 1: that time was the importance of the operation and coaches.
Speaker 1: Like when people can't fathom why, for instance, all the
Speaker 1: firepower this team like the Bears has, why is it
Speaker 1: such a slog offensively, It's like, yeah, dude, are you
Speaker 1: from earlier with Shane Waldron's history, are you aware of
Speaker 1: how he basically kind of removed the combination of DK Metcalf,
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett and Jackson Smith and Jigbo and that offense
Speaker 1: to what it should be and how criminal that kind
Speaker 1: of is sprinkling a quarterback whose first instinct is to
Speaker 1: create an out athlete better athletes than he is. Wasn't
Speaker 1: that way in college, right, and it worked, But now
Speaker 1: you get the sloppy offense like the Bears have run
Speaker 1: out and any semblance of competence in those two positions.
Speaker 1: They're three and zero right now, but they haven't got
Speaker 1: that so staking quality coaching and play designers. That was
Speaker 1: a lesson I took a while back, and damn it,
Speaker 1: it's why I've been so bullish on these Dolphins the
Speaker 1: last three years. And I'll tell you why. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Dolphins are gonna be a good team I
Speaker 1: think right now. And it's not a good situation.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: This isn't even one of the lessons I wanted to discuss.
Speaker 1: The two that I do want to discuss, or I
Speaker 1: guess it's maybe even three or four are this turnarounds
Speaker 1: don't happen because of total personnel upheaval. Maybe sometimes you
Speaker 1: can get that, maybe it lasts for a year, but
Speaker 1: you can often lose that magic down the road at
Speaker 1: some point. Look look at us, like we were out
Speaker 1: of the gates, red hot, and look where we are
Speaker 1: in year three. It seems to be a tortuous cycle
Speaker 1: for Dolphins fans. Go to the playoffs your first year,
Speaker 1: by year three, it's like, what the hell do we
Speaker 1: have here? And I'm not saying that's where we are
Speaker 1: right now, but it's trending that way, right, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that year two was the best year two of
Speaker 1: really any coach since Wants Dead, I suppose. But the
Speaker 1: best example of that of how sometimes it's changed within
Speaker 1: is the Buffalo Bills last year. Remember how dead in
Speaker 1: the water that team was, had the three game lead
Speaker 1: in the division. There was a thirty two page column
Speaker 1: with twenty three sources bagging on Sean McDermott and the
Speaker 1: entire operation around there. All they did after that was
Speaker 1: go five and zero, beating US Kansas City and Dallas,
Speaker 1: all teams that won eleven plus games last year. And
Speaker 1: you might say, well, Travis, you had they fired their
Speaker 1: offensive cooridator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. They did.
Speaker 1: They changed it and it got better. But watch those
Speaker 1: Joe Brady games last year, because it was not the
Speaker 1: design that was winning games for that football team. It
Speaker 1: was just players executing better. It was a quarterback with
Speaker 1: absolutely fu I'm a dog mentality willing his team to
Speaker 1: victories in those spots. More on that in a moment.
Speaker 1: The other part to me is that we spend way
Speaker 1: too much time trying to assess what we see on paper,
Speaker 1: and never mind the the analytics community dunking on Tom
Speaker 1: freaking Brady. You see did you guys see this? I'll
Speaker 1: a call out names. It was Aaron Shatz and Kevin
Speaker 1: Cole talking about, like it's too bad that Brady's two
Speaker 1: ingrained in football nature to not understand the establishing the runs,
Speaker 1: not even a real thing, like pushing their sunglasses up
Speaker 1: the bridge of their nose, like well, actually, like get
Speaker 1: the hell out of here, dude. God, I hate I
Speaker 1: hate that we now have discourse where you can tell
Speaker 1: Tom Brady what matters in a football game. The nerve
Speaker 1: of that, right, I think you see it here with
Speaker 1: the Fins. Granted, the quarterback play in Seattle was a
Speaker 1: non starter. You had zero chance to win that game.
Speaker 1: In those circumstances. It's like throwing me out there on
Speaker 1: the pitcher's mound for the Seattle Marris. If I pitch
Speaker 1: a game, we're not gonna win that game. I get,
Speaker 1: they're like sixty, it's gonna get hit over to lumenfield,
Speaker 1: over that left field wall and safeg field. But my god, man,
Speaker 1: a good team, A good team, a team element is
Speaker 1: more important than a collection of good individuals. And that
Speaker 1: probably sounds like duh, but I don't think we actually
Speaker 1: adhere to that. And look no further than the Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills last year they lose or this year, I should
Speaker 1: say they lose to Fon Diggs and what happens the
Speaker 1: offense looks like the best version it's ever been of itself.
Speaker 1: I just think there's a heartbeat with a team that
Speaker 1: we can never measure on paper. And it's the core
Speaker 1: reason why every year, myself, other pundits fans do these
Speaker 1: predictions and just say, well, I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: nothing about the league. It's impossible to predict. Yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: but I thirst to know why that's the case. And
Speaker 1: in a sport where most games come down to three
Speaker 1: or four critical plays or officiating calls or decisions that
Speaker 1: you make, I think that team element. I think that's
Speaker 1: what galvanizes better play in those moments that ultimately decides
Speaker 1: winners and champions. The next thing is this, and this
Speaker 1: all ties together to me. Spotting quality quarterback play is easy.
Speaker 1: I just think it is. Now that probably reads super
Speaker 1: super super conceded in a league where half the first
Speaker 1: round picks or busts. I won't dispute that, but it
Speaker 1: starts with this. How does this person understand structure, design, movement,
Speaker 1: game theory, their internal clock. Do they have a relationship
Speaker 1: with their brain and their arm that understands how to
Speaker 1: properly adjust the arm to make the required throw for
Speaker 1: any given pass? And then their field vision and anticipation
Speaker 1: trumps all of that. And the play I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: for an example is the same quarterback from the team
Speaker 1: we just talked about, Josh Allen. He was this marvelous,
Speaker 1: marvelous ball of clay, the singular most impressive spece him
Speaker 1: in the position has ever seen. Right, Cam Newton says, hello,
Speaker 1: but man, Josh is one of one to me. And
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a silver lining, here quick tangent
Speaker 1: Dolphins fan Cam Newton's play fell off of a cliff
Speaker 1: after the twenty eighteen season. That was his eighth year
Speaker 1: in the pros. He played three more, but he was
Speaker 1: not a good player anymore. Josh Allen's in his seventh year,
Speaker 1: and while I think he'll get more years than that,
Speaker 1: I do think it's fair to wonder what his game
Speaker 1: might look like in year ten with a very similar
Speaker 1: play style to Cam Newton. I just don't think that
Speaker 1: lasts for twenty years, and brother, man, it sucks that
Speaker 1: we did that with Brady for what a solid seven
Speaker 1: or eight years, Like from twenty thirteen on, we're like,
Speaker 1: this might be the year the production tails off, and
Speaker 1: then he played till he's forty six or whatever it
Speaker 1: was forty four. Now here we are again with a
Speaker 1: player who, while not as accomplished, I mean, seems even
Speaker 1: tougher to defend than Brady was. Right, and he certainly
Speaker 1: is that way against us. We actually beat Brady a lot,
Speaker 1: never beat Josh Allen. Okay, tangent over reason I bring
Speaker 1: up Josh and the physical traits. There are two things
Speaker 1: with him that tell me, yeah, he is in fact him. First,
Speaker 1: he developed the ability to be a plus player in
Speaker 1: that first category the vision word salad I gave you earlier.
Speaker 1: That's a baseline, non negotiable skill set that you must
Speaker 1: have to play this position at this level, no question
Speaker 1: about that. That's why JaMarcus Russell, Jake Locker, Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen give me any bust quarterback with physical skills,
Speaker 1: and Rosen kind of feels like a black sheep of
Speaker 1: that group. But people loved his arm coming out of college.
Speaker 1: But give me any bust quarterback with physical skills, and
Speaker 1: I can show you on the tape the inability to
Speaker 1: see the football field. That's why when people were saying
Speaker 1: Schyler Thompson's the best quarterback on the roster, I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Watch
Speaker 1: Josh on second and ten plays, he sorts through the
Speaker 1: defense that knows passes coming. They're not going to run
Speaker 1: the ball on second and ten. When you have Josh
Speaker 1: Allen shouldn't run the ball on second and ten ever,
Speaker 1: But I digress. They'll play passive and prevent the big plays.
Speaker 1: And he's plenty happy to one hitch timing catch rock throw,
Speaker 1: shoot this hookup route to the second level of the defense,
Speaker 1: six yards over the football, easy catch, and if we
Speaker 1: get another two yards from forward, lean and cool, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be third and two. If not third and four,
Speaker 1: also fine. He takes those plays and puts himself in
Speaker 1: position to make plays elsewhere out of structure when things
Speaker 1: break down. But without those plays, without those core setup plays,
Speaker 1: the playmaking cannot exist. See Caleb Williams right now. It's
Speaker 1: the same exact thing for Josh, specifically becoming a beast
Speaker 1: against these soft spots in the short passing game against
Speaker 1: zone coverages was such a diabolical element to add to
Speaker 1: his game because you cannot play man coverage against that
Speaker 1: guy and contain him in the pocket for the entire game.
Speaker 1: He will burn you with his legs and physicality if
Speaker 1: you do that. So that's where quarterback discourse to me
Speaker 1: should start with the process, and then we can talk
Speaker 1: about the playmaking. And with Jaden Daniels buddy on Monday night,
Speaker 1: he sure feels come fable back there.
Speaker 2: He knows what he's seeing.
Speaker 1: It allows him to play patient and with poise and comfort,
Speaker 1: and then you get the fun playmaking on top of
Speaker 1: all that. Now, I also mentioned the fu element of
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's game. That's another thing that I think hardened
Speaker 1: Josh Allen this miserable career at Wyoming with some hideous
Speaker 1: rosters and surrounding talent. And I pose that question to
Speaker 1: Kyle Krabs on the Friday podcast last week, and I
Speaker 1: thought he expanded upon it. Well, it's more about generating
Speaker 1: adversity during a very developmental stage of a young man's life. Right,
Speaker 1: These young men don't even have fully developed brains. Their
Speaker 1: frontal cortex is not fully developed until age twenty five, right?
Speaker 1: Is that kind of how that works? So in those
Speaker 1: formative years, if it's all sunshine and rainbows and five
Speaker 1: stars and competition, that you are flat out better than
Speaker 1: across the board. Is it cake walk games until your
Speaker 1: rivalry game in the college football playoff and you basically
Speaker 1: only have two tough challenges a season. Or are you
Speaker 1: trying to will these glorified high school pros to Mountain
Speaker 1: West victories? Are you told that you're not good enough
Speaker 1: by a major program like Borough Ohio State or Daniels
Speaker 1: at Arizona State, both eventually going to LSU where they
Speaker 1: want heismans and all this ties together. I think about
Speaker 1: one element of quarterback scouting that I'm putting more stock
Speaker 1: into this year, And though it might be a hey,
Speaker 1: don't fix what ain't broken, baby situation, I look at
Speaker 1: this as adding skills to my rollodecks, much like Josh
Speaker 1: learning how to decipher his own coverage rules and how
Speaker 1: to exploit it. I want to go ahead and put
Speaker 1: a pin in it. Rate there we're up against a break,
Speaker 1: comeback on the other side, and continue this monologue next
Speaker 1: in the draft time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought
Speaker 1: to you by AutoNation. So I mentioned how this all
Speaker 1: ties together, how I want to add this quarterback scouting
Speaker 1: element to my rolodecks of scouting quarterbacks. I think you
Speaker 1: have to be able to do the background on a
Speaker 1: player to find out what he's made of. I need
Speaker 1: to see how he interacts with his teammates on the sideline,
Speaker 1: What is his demeanor in the fourth quarter down by
Speaker 1: a touchdown with the football in his hands, what's his
Speaker 1: demeanor like at the podium? How does he communicate the
Speaker 1: way he sees, the way he leads, the way he's coached,
Speaker 1: the way he communicates with his teammates. I previously had
Speaker 1: more of an analytics approach to it, where I just
Speaker 1: focused on the tape and what I learned from the
Speaker 1: tape from a trades perspective, and that has value, but
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't uncover some of the maybe timidness
Speaker 1: or just the way a guy's heart beats.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But even if we're not on the scouting trail talking
Speaker 1: to coaches or going to the librarians that you know
Speaker 1: operate the study hall for these guys, or the front
Speaker 1: desk worker at the gym to find out how they
Speaker 1: treat people, how they're wired. I think you can uncover
Speaker 1: some of that with what you have available to you
Speaker 1: as a fan. And all of that takes me to this.
Speaker 1: With regards to the Miami Dolphins, Tua has the first
Speaker 1: trait obviously, right, That's why he is who he is.
Speaker 1: It's why he's a two hundred million dollars quarterback. I
Speaker 1: think that's proof of concept that that is the most
Speaker 1: important trait because we know too was not a creator,
Speaker 1: but he's a high level quarterback capable of hitting intricate concepts,
Speaker 1: maximizing players' ability to make plays after the catch because
Speaker 1: of his location, but also the timing out of breaks
Speaker 1: and maximizing separation to create the most amount of space
Speaker 1: for those playmakers to operate within. He's a high level processor,
Speaker 1: a decision maker with a wicked release that is kind
Speaker 1: of transcend into the game. All winning traits that are
Speaker 1: kind of imperative to play the position. I think the
Speaker 1: questions are heart rate in those big moments, which has
Speaker 1: proven out over the first few years of his career,
Speaker 1: and I would say this is more of a younger
Speaker 1: brother element, but true drop back downs to operate consistently
Speaker 1: and create when out of structure when things aren't there,
Speaker 1: which again I think is overplayed. But I digress, and
Speaker 1: that first part ties back to the football background, and
Speaker 1: I bring it up because it informs me for what
Speaker 1: else I think needs to be accounted for when doing
Speaker 1: all of this. That aside the reason I wanted to
Speaker 1: get to this and the reason I think we are
Speaker 1: all we all feel like football's we know it is
Speaker 1: kind of over, at least for Dolphins fans perspective. I
Speaker 1: keep making the comparison it's so freaking brutal to watch
Speaker 1: bad football. I mean, let's call it what it is.
Speaker 1: And here's another lesson that I learned. I remember one
Speaker 1: time I was in Seattle with my girlfriend at the
Speaker 1: time now wife, and we took an Uber to a
Speaker 1: Mariors game and the Uber driver was dogging my Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I think I was wearing a hat or something. The
Speaker 1: year after they made the playoffs in twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're a good team. They're in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's a qualifier. Now I've changed
Speaker 1: my mind on that, and as I trace it back,
Speaker 1: like damn man, I defended that twenty thirteen team that
Speaker 1: blew it late in the year, saying that was a
Speaker 1: good team. The twenty eighteen team, like I was a
Speaker 1: good team too. Hell, even the twenty eighteen that won
Speaker 1: the Division. I defended those squads as good football teams,
Speaker 1: but they weren't that.
Speaker 2: You're not a good football.
Speaker 1: Team if you roll into the wild card round and
Speaker 1: you can tell from the opening drive that it is
Speaker 1: OVA in two thousand and eight, completely overmatched by Ed
Speaker 1: Reid and the Ravens defense. In twenty sixteen, Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: did whatever the hell he wanted to do in that game,
Speaker 1: right down the field, three and out offense, right down
Speaker 1: the field, fourteen point deficit as a double digit dog.
Speaker 1: If you're a double digit dog in a playoff game,
Speaker 1: you're probably not a bigod football team or your quarterbacks hurt.
Speaker 1: But last year's Dolphins went healthy. Man, that was a
Speaker 1: good football team. Twenty twenty two when they were rolling,
Speaker 1: that was a good football team. And please spare me
Speaker 1: with the losses. All good teams lose games to good
Speaker 1: teams on the road. Granted they never got over the
Speaker 1: hump ultimately, but those were good teams. And if you
Speaker 1: couldn't see that. That's on you, dog. But you know what,
Speaker 1: getting two years of good football teams did kind of
Speaker 1: ruined the damn game, didn't it in the lens of
Speaker 1: this team? Ain't that good? Like I go back to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and this is where this all leads to
Speaker 1: look at the playoff years you've enjoyed as Dolphins fan,
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. Two thousand and eight, what they
Speaker 1: have Chad Pennington was a good quarterback that year, right,
Speaker 1: wasn't great, was a good quarterback twenty sixteen. This is
Speaker 1: an outlier because Tannehill had plenty of years here, but
Speaker 1: you and I know that that was the most efficient
Speaker 1: football of Ryan tannehills Dolphins career. And he went on
Speaker 1: to prove in Tennessee that you can win with that
Speaker 1: guy because he has those straits that are good enough.
Speaker 1: He's not great quarterback, they were good enough from the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh went on that year, he was mostly sharp right,
Speaker 1: supporting Jagie in that running game. Twenty twenty two was
Speaker 1: Tua and twenty twenty three was Tua. Those are the
Speaker 1: four playoff years going back to the freaking Bush administration
Speaker 1: or even Clinton. I don't even know and now about
Speaker 1: every other year not good quarterbacks. Now, again, those twenty
Speaker 1: eight twenty sixteen teams were steep playoff dogs. They were
Speaker 1: not good teams. They were above average teams who found
Speaker 1: ways to close out games against less ends like beating
Speaker 1: A four and eight Seahawks teams.
Speaker 2: Not impressive to me right at home.
Speaker 1: I suppose you could argue that twenty twenty two and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three was the same because of the results.
Speaker 1: They didn't have it, they didn't get past that first
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs. But I would push back hard
Speaker 1: on that, because again, those were good football teams when
Speaker 1: not decimated. But what's the common factor here, the common theme.
Speaker 1: It's the quarterback position. You have to have good quarterback
Speaker 1: play to win consistently in this league. It's why like
Speaker 1: when Titans fans like, well, we made a good defense
Speaker 1: this year, built a good defense. Yeah, who's your quarterback, bruh?
Speaker 1: You know, like it matters, and the more elite your
Speaker 1: quarterback is, the better your odds of making it up
Speaker 1: the mountaintop. And that brings us to the final conclusion here.
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about that hit that Tua took or
Speaker 1: the hit that he gave out to tomorrow Hamlin that
Speaker 1: that knocked him unconscious in the field. I keep thinking
Speaker 1: about how easy it was for that to happen on
Speaker 1: a pretty routine football play. I don't think it's possible
Speaker 1: to completely remove, you know, that possibility in a violent,
Speaker 1: dangerous game that is football. And I think about the optics,
Speaker 1: you know, whateveryone says after these injuries happen, the quick
Speaker 1: trip right to the ir what the outpouring of commentary
Speaker 1: is about him when this happens, When it happens again
Speaker 1: down the road eventually. So if we are indeed back
Speaker 1: in this position, let's say he gets bad advice and
Speaker 1: doesn't come back this year and you can't like continue
Speaker 1: on that, and if he gets hurt again and you
Speaker 1: have these guarantees, then what do you do. So let's
Speaker 1: say that you get to that position after twenty years
Speaker 1: of searching and finding the and losing it just like that,
Speaker 1: freaking torturous again. This is why you can come for
Speaker 1: the scouting reports right here, because if that happens, I
Speaker 1: am going to be watching every single snap of all
Speaker 1: these top college quarterbacks. And before I mentioned a few
Speaker 1: of the guys, the final conclusion is that without that guy.
Speaker 1: You are wasting your time in this league now if
Speaker 1: you have to have that elite quarterback and you want
Speaker 1: him to be as close to Mahomes and Allen as possible.
Speaker 1: I think that's cam Ward. You guys do that though
Speaker 1: I'm in the very early stages of the rest of
Speaker 1: this class. But cam Ward man the leaps and bounds.
Speaker 1: That what I talked about with Jaden Daniels and Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow and getting that development in college. You have seen
Speaker 1: that with him. He's the guy that lines up in
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and says, we're gonna run the
Speaker 1: ball right here down your throats. He's the guy that
Speaker 1: waives the crowd after his fifth touchdown pass the night
Speaker 1: did after his first touchdown pass the night too. I
Speaker 1: think he has that dog. He has the creativity, he
Speaker 1: has ability to win with instructure. He can stress every
Speaker 1: level of defense because of his arm talent and that
Speaker 1: relationship between brain and arm, flexibility and elasticity that can
Speaker 1: whip the.
Speaker 2: Ball all over the yard.
Speaker 1: He is in elite quarterback prospect that I would do
Speaker 1: anything to get. I think Garrett nus Meyer has some
Speaker 1: really good traits, and Kyle has been telling about him
Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks. Now he's a sure
Speaker 1: fire Round one guy. I just have to watch more.
Speaker 1: I can't go further than that. I like my first
Speaker 1: thought was like, does he have that dog in him?
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about him to get that far yet.
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by Shadur Sanders's game. I'm totally shell shocked
Speaker 1: by the character and probably want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: Carson Beck, I haven't watched enough of him either, but
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if I see it off
Speaker 1: the jump right away, but I haven't studied him yet.
Speaker 2: So that's all of it. Man. I think that you
Speaker 2: know those quarterbacks like I talked about.
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels, Joe Burrow, cam Ward spending a billion years
Speaker 1: in college.
Speaker 2: I think it's good for the game.
Speaker 1: I think it's good for your scouting processes, and I
Speaker 1: think it gives you an opportunity to hopefully find out
Speaker 1: about a guy more than what you get when you
Speaker 1: draft a guy who's played a red shirt season and
Speaker 1: then had like two years of toning experience. That's the
Speaker 1: whole Die Tribe quarterbacks and where this team might be.
Speaker 1: That was a long winded segment I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: do that that long, But anyway, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: take our last break, come back on the other side
Speaker 1: and hear from coach to discuss some of the things
Speaker 1: he said at an interesting Tuesday press conference. That's next
Speaker 1: Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you
Speaker 1: by automation. Let's pick it back up here with some
Speaker 1: of the Tuesday Commander commandary commentary from head coach Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 1: who was asked about Tim Boyle and him moving the
Speaker 1: offense and Tyler Huntley and the decision to go with
Speaker 1: Boyle over Huntley in that second quarterback role last week.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and roll the sound.
Speaker 3: That was something that we uh utilize the week to
Speaker 3: kind of to kind of assess, you know, you you
Speaker 3: want to be fair to all parties. You don't want
Speaker 3: to rush to judgment and assume that that uh, you know,
Speaker 3: people will assimilate fully knowing that it was going to be,
Speaker 3: you know, difficult this past week for for you know,
Speaker 3: a guy getting there on Tuesday to feel comfortable leading
Speaker 3: the offense, but also a veteran guy, so you just
Speaker 3: let it play out. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we just thought that you know, the quarterback effects a
Speaker 3: lot of players every down and down out, and that
Speaker 3: that Tim was the better option for that moment on
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 2: And that that tracks.
Speaker 1: I don't have any issue with that, because I just
Speaker 1: don't think you can have a guy get here on
Speaker 1: Tuesday and expect him to know enough of whatever you
Speaker 1: want to put in for him to compete on a
Speaker 1: Sunday this week. I suppose that could change, especially with
Speaker 1: the extra day of work. We shall see. I'm crossing
Speaker 1: my fingers for that now. He also addressed Skyler Thompson's performance,
Speaker 1: and to me, it was a lot of coaches speak
Speaker 1: early on. I don't want to hear about. You know,
Speaker 1: some things he wishes he had back. There's flat out
Speaker 1: just an inability to see the field at all, Like
Speaker 1: he threw a full back cross checkdown into leverage bypassing
Speaker 1: the digged tye that was wide open into space, and
Speaker 1: also the flat for a two by one combination with
Speaker 1: a blocker in front that he could have had for
Speaker 1: big yards. Also just horrendous quarterback play. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and play this last part though, that I think is
Speaker 1: is very informative and very good.
Speaker 3: NFL is full of surprises, and there's no gray. Generally,
Speaker 3: you're you're either very happy or very very motivated and
Speaker 3: annoyed with whatever happens. I think there was there was
Speaker 3: some definitely some results that were were we're not what
Speaker 3: we're expecting, but you have to It doesn't matter how
Speaker 3: you feel. Your job is to take whatever it is,
Speaker 3: however unexpected, and uh figure it out, you know. So
Speaker 3: I think that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: I thought the point about being annoyed, and he got
Speaker 1: a question about play calling, to which again I appreciate
Speaker 1: his tone with that, because you know, he made the
Speaker 1: comment like if the results we didn't score enough points,
Speaker 1: but what about the process, And he'd be hard pressed
Speaker 1: to go up against it with results, because you can
Speaker 1: have a game where you score four touchdowns with the
Speaker 1: play calls trash, but the players made you right. And
Speaker 1: he is right about that. And I can see the
Speaker 1: frustration in his voice when he answers that question, which
Speaker 1: I think largely is like, you know, that's what he'd
Speaker 1: here for, is to call this offense. But I thought
Speaker 1: that the annoyed part matched his tone on the answer
Speaker 1: that he had through the entire press conference, which to
Speaker 1: me was a different Mike McDaniel we have gotten in
Speaker 1: the past, and I'm hoping, I'm hoping what that means
Speaker 1: is this team is kind of like enough of all
Speaker 1: the fluff and pomp and circumstance and bs, let's go
Speaker 1: put our noses down and get to work and make
Speaker 1: this right. And you can say that should have been
Speaker 1: the case earlier, and I would agree, but better late
Speaker 1: than ever. Right, This next one here, I thought was
Speaker 1: very instructive about the philosophy of outside zone and how
Speaker 1: the inside runs have worked more this year.
Speaker 3: Let's go to coach, So the outside zone is the
Speaker 3: starting point for our technique and fundamentals, and you know,
Speaker 3: the uh basically every play in the in the plan
Speaker 3: has a accompanied tool if there's overplay to to that play.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think based upon the structures that
Speaker 3: we've evaluated during the game, as the opponent trots that
Speaker 3: are there playing out on the field, I think that
Speaker 3: there's been some uh you know, pre snap and post
Speaker 3: snap overplay to to kind of our more perimeter runs.
Speaker 3: And as a result, we've we've tried to uh to
Speaker 3: to get some some stuff going with UH, some alternative
Speaker 3: schemes that that we've always ran, but I think that
Speaker 3: it we've gotten those called a little bit more and
Speaker 3: you know, we're we're still uh, you know, working and
Speaker 3: developing those types of results. So you know, the the
Speaker 3: four yard plays and eight yard play, the yard plays,
Speaker 3: sixteen yard play, et cetera, et cetera. So that's, uh,
Speaker 3: you're always kind of adjusting for the defenses as well
Speaker 3: as the players that you have. We've had some good
Speaker 3: combination blocks on the inside zone gap stuff, so well,
Speaker 3: we'll see how that plays out moving forward.
Speaker 1: It is a little bit funny to me they've gotten overplay,
Speaker 1: but it's been against the outside run and opened up
Speaker 1: the inside run with all these massive mac truck lanes
Speaker 1: they've had on the inside running game. And I think
Speaker 1: part of that is one the overplay of the defense.
Speaker 1: A big part of that is too the tight end
Speaker 1: play has not been good enough for it. And I
Speaker 1: think that there's like there's obviously a realization of what
Speaker 1: is there. And you know, I like the mention of
Speaker 1: different schemes too, like gap stuff and having more pullers
Speaker 1: and doing things with more man blocking combinations. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how that works going forward. And then let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and end it right here with a part that
Speaker 1: has me hanging on to some excitement because, as you
Speaker 1: guys can probably figure, I am not interested in watching
Speaker 1: certain quarterbacks play. But there is one quarterback on the
Speaker 1: roster that I think can give you a semblance of
Speaker 1: an offense that can win football games.
Speaker 3: No, you know, if that if that would be the direction,
Speaker 3: which is a possibility for sure.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The good news is the within the framework of the offense,
Speaker 3: there's there's typically some some of those principles that are
Speaker 3: put in intentionally, you know, for the preseason, and that's
Speaker 3: something that was built within the offense from back from
Speaker 3: two thousand and twelve. Actually owe to Robert Griffin, the
Speaker 3: third on that one. And so there the you know,
Speaker 3: that's the kind of the art of the illusion of complexity.
Speaker 3: Can you add some stuff? If you do? How is
Speaker 3: there any The only way that you can is there
Speaker 3: has to be some overlap into what you already do.
Speaker 3: You're just because you know, you don't go in and
Speaker 3: completely change from ground zero everything you do. It has
Speaker 3: to be within your verbiage and and ways that they've
Speaker 3: learned how to identify people and and who you're reading
Speaker 3: and all that. You know, I think there's a balance.
Speaker 3: You know, you had you had you had some stuff
Speaker 3: to feature a feature a player, if it's worth it,
Speaker 3: you know, that's something that can fit within the framework
Speaker 3: of the other stuff that players do. How to block
Speaker 3: it and then how can you bridge some of the
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that people have done in the
Speaker 3: past to uh, what what you're going to do this week?
Speaker 3: And you know it's a fine balance. That's not exact science,
Speaker 3: but you know it's the same thing as there was
Speaker 3: plans built within or there was plays built within the
Speaker 3: plan for for Boyle when he came in two know
Speaker 3: what his what his history had been too. You know,
Speaker 3: have evaluated on tape to no concepts that overlap with
Speaker 3: the stuff that we do, and you know that you
Speaker 3: try to call those when those players are in so
Speaker 3: that guys can perform, you know, at their optimal.
Speaker 2: Level on the big stage.
Speaker 3: So you know it won't be a full sale. But
Speaker 3: if we were going to go that direction, you know,
Speaker 3: we would probably introduced a couple of things that for
Speaker 3: the coaching staff there's a lot of familiarity with specifically
Speaker 3: from our history with multiple teams. And then for the players,
Speaker 3: they they have gotten a dose of that since they've
Speaker 3: been here. And you know, I think in the first
Speaker 3: training camp install, I had a couple zone reads in
Speaker 3: and I think I think I'm pretty sure that in
Speaker 3: preseason twenty twenty two game two, maybe Skyler actually Ransom And.
Speaker 1: That was of course talking about Tyler hunting how the
Speaker 1: offense might have to look different with him in the game.
Speaker 1: So there you go, good stuff from coach McDaniel. We'll
Speaker 1: come back tomorrow on the podcast and preview the riveting
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