1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with on our radio. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: We are back with Gary Turner right now. We want 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: to focus on this season of the Golden Bachelor and 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: how he thinks Mel is doing as a lead. So 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: let's dive back in. 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 3: Gary. 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 4: You are always going to be the Golden Bachelor, and 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 4: with this season that is. And we're going to talk 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 4: about this season a little bit here towards the end 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 4: if you don't mind, but this season is not helping 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 4: your case to kind of remove yourself from the Golden 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 4: Bachelor title. You will be known as the Golden Bachelor, 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 4: probably because of the lack of you know everything this season. 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 4: Are you able to give that up? I mean, even 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 4: as you get married again, even as you entered in 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: this relationship, you mentioned that you like to be retired, 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 4: that this pursuit of fame felt unfulfilling and not really 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 4: worth the time to stay relevant. You'll always be the 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: Golden Bachelor. Is that something that you're okay with or 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 4: does that remind you of less happy times? 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: Oh? No, I'm pretty happy to have that title, you know. 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: Just to separate two things. I love it when people 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: come up to me and they want pictures and they 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: want to talk briefly and so forth. They get to 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: share in the fun of the show. I really find 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: that very exciting. The minute they walk away, I'm still 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 3: Gary regular Joe walking on. I'm okay with not pursuing 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: additional attention, whether it's on social media or TV appearances 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: or anything else. I've turned down a number of things 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: because I enjoy being retired, but I also enjoy being 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: the Golden Bachelor, and it's a strong responsibility, you know. 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: Going into that show, I knew that it was a 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: something that was marginally considered for a success. I was 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 3: thrilled that everyone that had put their heart and soul 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: into that show, producers and everyone else involved found success 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: with it, and it was their success. I was just 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: a small part, So two kind of different things. I 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: hope people never give up coming up to me for 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: pictures of talking and so forth. That's fun. 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, Gary, I think you were a big 42 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: part of the success. And I think we're now watching 43 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: the second season of The Golden Bachelor, third of the 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: franchise installment, and people are not watching it the way 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: that they watched you. He is not the lead that. 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: You were so thank you. 47 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: You're welcome. 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: Unfortunate, but thank you. I've watched it with friends and 49 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: I've with Atlanta, and yeah, there's there's just not a 50 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: warmth and empathy and charm there. That and the you know, 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: the ratings numbers are just horrible, and I hope there's 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: still additional chances for other Golden Bachelors. 53 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: Before we dive into the season, and kind of your 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: take so far in the season, there are some moments 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: from your season that are We're just absolutely iconic. I 56 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: think the whole season in general felt not just iconic, 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 4: but sweet and sensitive, and I want to give you 58 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 4: credit for that, but I also want to give the 59 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 4: cast credit for that and the show and that concept itself. Gary, 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 4: I had one of my most fun experiences, and it 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: was actually my last experience being a part of the show. 62 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: You and I did a Bachelor Bust together following your season. 63 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: It was a blast. We had a great night. It 64 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 4: was a long night. We had a lot of fun together, 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 4: and doing this together, at least I had fun. I 66 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: can't speak for yourself. It never aired on television, and 67 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: I thought that was a really unfortunate thing because I 68 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: do think it showed I think that night I saw 69 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 4: you be Gary more than just the Golden Bachelor. You 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: were interacting with people and laughing with people and hugging 71 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: on people, and it was just a really great expression 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: of who you were. And I'm really bummed, and I 73 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 4: honestly was upset that that didn't air, because I gave 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: up three days for that. But that's not the point 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: there was. And I think about this often, and I 76 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: tried coming into this to think of the appropriate way 77 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: to ask you this question. And I'm just going to 78 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 4: ask it how it comes to my mind, and you 79 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 4: respond however you want to respond. But that evening, if 80 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: you remember, we had a lady who was about your age. 81 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: She was at a house with a watch party with 82 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: her daughter, I think, and she came up to you 83 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: and I got emotional during this. She started crying that 84 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: evening and she said, thank you for doing this. This 85 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 4: is giving me a hope again and finding somebody and 86 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: for I think, she said twelve years I had no 87 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: thought or hope of finding a next love. And she 88 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: was crying, and you you know, the show represented that 89 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: to her, and you could see it came from a 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: deep place, not a fan place, but a deep place. Gary, 91 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: This is when the question for me, I didn't know 92 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 4: how to I'm not smart enough to figure out how 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: to ask this. Well, that was before the wedding, that 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 4: was before the divorce. I guess now you're in this 95 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: place where you found love again and it is a 96 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: real love that will last you for a lifetime. Here 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 4: for the women like her, And there were many that 98 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 4: night that had an emotional tie to the story. And 99 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: then saw your story end in a way that was 100 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: not hope filled, that felt at times very very convoluted 101 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: and messy. What would your message be to her if 102 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 4: she happens to listen to this. 103 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 3: Oh, such a good question then, and I understand as 104 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: it's difficult to phrase that question. However, I've thought about 105 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: this a lot, and I hope this answer doesn't sound 106 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: self serving because it's genuine. I believe the story didn't 107 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 3: end when it became less public. I believe my story 108 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: didn't end, and that the show and the philosophy of 109 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 3: the show was successful because I bought into the fact 110 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: that I was going to stay open to opportunities. I 111 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: was going to keep my heart open and try to 112 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: find that person. Now, the failures, my failures of the 113 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: show and ending the way it did actually led me 114 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: to a very happy ending. So it's not always the 115 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: result in the timeline that you believe it is. But 116 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: to a woman like that, I would say, don't look 117 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: at this book of my life only through nine and 118 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: a half chapters. Read the last half of the final chapter, 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: because that's when I find a happy ending and happiness 120 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 3: that I believe will stretch through the rest of my life. 121 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: So stay open to possibilities. I believe the show does work. 122 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I always, you know, tell people with a 123 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: story like yours and a story like Ben's, somehow, in 124 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: some way the show did lead you to your person, 125 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: because Lana wouldn't have been in your DMS or you know, 126 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: your friend and Box and Jess probably wouldn't have answered 127 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: Ben on Instagram if it weren't for you who you were. 128 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent right. And so you know, Lanna 129 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: and I have talked about this a number of times. 130 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: How fate or the universe or God, however you want 131 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: to believe, brought two people together, her and I, and 132 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: we both had to go through some trials and tribulations 133 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: to get to that point. We had to prove that 134 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: we wanted it bad enough that we had hope that 135 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: it was going to happen, and now we are rewarded 136 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: with a whole lot of humor and a whole lot 137 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: of happiness. 138 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: I have to ask, because you brought it up earlier, 139 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: and I've just been curious about this for a long time. 140 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: I felt like during this moment, I was watching like 141 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: an inner council meeting or the President of the United 142 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 4: States meeting with his cabinet, and I wasn't supposed to 143 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 4: be there, but I was excited to be there. You 144 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 4: mentioned this conversation with Faith that you had again the 145 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 4: night before your wedding and where she tells you you 146 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: don't have to go through with this was this happening 147 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: at the bar in the corner of the bar when 148 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: all of us were in there, because it felt like 149 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: something was being talked about during I remember seeing it 150 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: and being like, something serious is being talked about there. 151 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. I don't know if 152 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: he's like, if she's telling him she still loves him, 153 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: or what's happening. But something's happening over there, and then 154 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: it you know, it was one of those moments where 155 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: it's like, well, I'll never know. Now I get to 156 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: know what was being said because it was a very 157 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: it looked like real conversation that was happening in public, 158 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 4: and it felt like I did I shouldn't have been there, 159 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 4: but I, being the person I am, I wanted to 160 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: be right there. 161 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: It was assuming it's the one that you said that 162 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: you were having where you said you don't have to 163 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: do this. 164 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And Ben, I wish 165 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: you would have forced yourself into that. 166 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Ben, you could have changed the whole 167 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: Should you imagine the drama that ABC would have actually gotten. 168 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: It would have been better than a televised wedding. It 169 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: would have been a called off wedding when the entire 170 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: cast was there. 171 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: You know, I would have gotten real first hand perspective 172 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: on perhaps when some of my options were that I 173 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: didn't know. I mean, the love of God, who knows 174 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: what would happen. But the bottom line is, yes, that 175 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: was the that was the conversation. I was expressing doubts 176 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: and concerns and she was I remember, she was poking 177 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: me in the chest. I mean, that's the kind of 178 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: friend she is to me. She's taking me in the chest. 179 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 3: You don't have to do this, and yeah, I kind 180 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: of do. And I do remember saying Faith. You know, 181 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: people at the bar are going to think this is 182 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: an argument right now, I mean, because she's poking me 183 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: and I'm gesturing quite you know large, and I go, 184 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: we've got to simber this down. And you know, her 185 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: response was, Gary, don't have to do this, and she 186 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: was so deadly serious. 187 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Gary, I'm like, you guys are communicating connecting. 188 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: Did you ever think Faith I made a mistake I 189 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: should have been with her? 190 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: No, not really, because my my feelings for Faith are, 191 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: like I said, very strong affection, but not a romantic connection. 192 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: I root for Faith, and I root for Leslie and 193 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: several of the other women constantly. I pray for them 194 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: that they find the kind of happiness that I have found. 195 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: They deserve it. But with Faith, when I get to 196 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: that tough spot where I really need a woman's perspective, 197 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: probably Faith would be the woman i'd call. Probably not 198 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: anymore now that I have Lana's show, you know she 199 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 3: can provide that. But pre Lanna, Faith would have been 200 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: the person I would have called for that perspective. 201 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, but and this doesn't get talked about as much. 202 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: And again, this book is full. I mean we mentioned 203 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: if you think about it, like five major topics. The 204 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 4: book is full of tidbits and things that really give 205 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: that highlight not only your life and your relationships through 206 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 4: the show and then with Teresa, but then now in 207 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 4: your life. So it is worth digging into because it 208 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 4: feels like we've covered a lot. We really haven't when 209 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 4: it comes to the whole chunk of the book. But Gary, 210 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: if I was there, or if you had called me 211 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: as a friend, I'd say, uh, why are you confiding 212 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 4: in faith? This feels dangerous the night before your wedding. 213 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: She's a friend, yes, but like I'm sure your daughters 214 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 4: or friends or somebody else had to be there besides 215 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 4: you telling you, hey, man, you don't have to do this. Uh, 216 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 4: this doesn't feel good, This doesn't this won't end well. 217 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 4: But you chose the night before your wedding to open up. 218 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: Was there anybody else in your life you're confiding in? 219 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 4: And why did you choose faith and felt comfortable telling 220 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: Faith that evening? 221 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: That's that's a really good observation. No, I appreciate you 222 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: bringing that up. Really thought about it that way, and 223 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: it's a good point. I think at the time. A 224 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 3: couple of things to consider is your I was one guy. 225 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: You know, I had twenty two women. You don't have 226 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: a big gene pool of testosterone to go to. And 227 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: I wish, seriously at this moment, I wish that you 228 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 3: and I had developed a bit of a better friendship, 229 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: that I could have come to you and said, hey, 230 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: I need a little counseling here, if nothing else, just 231 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: to you know, a bounce off of you some of 232 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: the thoughts and ideas I had to maybe give it 233 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: some perspective. I've never thought about that, but I will 234 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: give it some thought. 235 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 4: But I mean, also though the other side of this, 236 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: and maybe it's just because the person he was, you know, 237 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: Jesse Palmer was your host. Chris was the host during 238 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: Ashley and Ice time on the show. Chris would have presented 239 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: with me, hey, you guys have an opportunity to get 240 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 4: married on television. And then also I always had, I 241 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: always knew, and I think it's because of how he 242 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 4: handled it. I could call him five minutes after the 243 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: cameras cut down and say, hey, man, this is a 244 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: bad idea, and he would say yes, it is, don't 245 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: do it. He would, he would, but he would do 246 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: his job. Was Jesse at all that kind of outlet 247 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: for you, because I think it's what made Chris such 248 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 4: an incredible host. I think Jesse has done an amazing 249 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: job at stepping in and doing what he does. But 250 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: this feels like a miss if you didn't feel like 251 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: you could call him and say, hey, Jesse, what would 252 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: you do here? You know this relationship better than most. 253 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good observation. I think it points to 254 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: a fundamental difference with Jesse and Chris. I don't think 255 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: Jesse ever stepped out of character. That's a good thing, 256 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: and at in this situation could have been something more helpful. 257 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: Whereas had Chris been my host and I had had 258 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: that opportunity, I would have been very thankful. I would 259 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: have been very thankful. 260 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: It's just a different kind of care. I think. I 261 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 4: think I knew as a friend Chris wondered what was best, 262 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 4: But then as a host, I also knew he had 263 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: to do his job, and so those two things were 264 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: very clear all the time. 265 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, wait, Ben, I have two couple questions. I'm like, 266 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: just they're a little random, But I'm kind of dying 267 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: to ask now, yeay, could you and Theresa ever have 268 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: a conversation in December saying like, you know what, maybe 269 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: this is not a great idea. Did you have any 270 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: concerns getting married that quick? Like vocally to each other? 271 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: I know that personally you had concerns, but like, did 272 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: you guys ever have a conversation like, eh. 273 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: Yes, we did. There was concerns on both sides, and 274 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: I think both of us were of the mindset that, hey, 275 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: we don't know each other, but we feel strongly about 276 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: each other and will make it work. Remember too, that 277 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: she had forty plus years of marriage. She knew what 278 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: commitment was all about. And I think the odd fact 279 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: here is that two people with two good characteristics of 280 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: commitment came together to create something that maybe wasn't quite 281 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: as good as it could have been. You know, it's 282 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: not two wrongs don't make a right, and two rights 283 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: kind of made something wrong. 284 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: Okay. My final dying question, not dying burden question, is 285 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: there was a headline out there last week that was spicy. 286 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: You said in the release of your book, Theresa should 287 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: be nervous, and it raised a lot of eyebrows, our 288 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: own in our own included do you stand by the statement? 289 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: And what should she be nervous about? 290 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: Well, so Teresa has tried calling me. I haven't returned 291 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: those calls. She tried texting and said, hey, I really 292 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 3: need to know what's in the book. And it's like, no, 293 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: you don't. You can read it like everyone else. And 294 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: if you're afraid of the truth, then you're going to 295 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: be afraid. I've kept quiet, I've tried to take the 296 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: high road, and now I feel like it's time to 297 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: level up. So if that makes her nervous, so be it. 298 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 4: Okay, this is going to be good. 299 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: And Ben, wait a minute, I have to go back. 300 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: You said there were four or five tidbits in the book. 301 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: You know, I want to add a sixth tidbit I 302 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: put in there that you and I on that that's 303 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 3: for Bus, that you displayed such great dancing skills that 304 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 3: every woman did on the earth should be looking to 305 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 3: have some time with you on a dance floor. 306 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: I laugh at this statement because there's nobody I laugh 307 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: fat more than Ben on the dance floor on a wedding. 308 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: We've been in so many weddings together and I am 309 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: sad that I feel like our weddings together are numbered, 310 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: but we got one. We got definitely one more on 311 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: the docket. And I always look forward to what a 312 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: fool Ben is. He's so confident and being that guy 313 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: that like blow up thing outside of a car dealership, 314 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: and he's just so confident in is not so great 315 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: dance moves and it brings us all joy. 316 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: My hips are very loose. 317 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: He's smooth. Yeah, you're smooth, Thank you. Gary. 318 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: See did I everst tell you what Jess said to me? 319 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 2: Because I think it's time now? 320 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 4: Yeah you can. I'm married to her. Yeah, you can 321 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: tell me what my wife said. 322 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: She goes, while watching you on the dance floor a wedding, 323 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: she goes, this is why we have sex before weddings. 324 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 4: That's smart, that's marriage compromised. She sees her her lane, 325 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 4: she knows when it's time, and then she goes, I 326 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 4: once this happens, the ick happens. But goodness, gracious, Gary, 327 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 4: here's the good point to that. Guess who's still crawling 328 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 4: into bed that night right beside each other. That's right, 329 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 4: that's right, that's right. 330 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: And I haven't heard anyone say that there isn't also 331 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: sex after the wedding either. 332 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 4: Well, the blow up arms kind of get her. 333 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it's she gets the ick and she 334 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: needs a twenty four hour at least reset before. Look, 335 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: you have done different. 336 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 4: That's fair, that's fair. I just don't think. I don't 337 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 4: think women appreciate it like a good like a man does. 338 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 4: There's a skill set hidden inside of me that comes out, 339 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: and I just really feel like the world benefits more 340 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 4: when I'm doing it. Thank you, Gary, thank you for that. 341 00:19:46,520 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Gary. Let's talk about the Golden Bachelor 342 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: this season. Obviously, you are, as I said at the beginning, 343 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: you're going to be known as the Golden Bachelor. I 344 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 4: don't think that's going to be leaving you. You are 345 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: engaged now at this point. You kind of mentioned this 346 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 4: in for just a second. You and Lena are watching 347 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: the Golden Bachelor this season? Is that correct? 348 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: Yes, we are. 349 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 4: I'm assuming Also she watched you during your time as 350 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 4: the Golden. 351 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: Bachelor, right, oh yeah, she did every minute. 352 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: See she didn't get the egg, she said, that's a 353 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: guy goodness dream, but just right. 354 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: There, yeah, laser focus man. 355 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: Hey, what's her backstory? So has she been married before. 356 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: Does she have kids? 357 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: Yes, I've been married before. She has three kids. Two 358 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 3: days ago we had her daughter, son in law, and 359 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: grandson over for homemade soup that I made. Last night, 360 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: we went she and I went to my daughter's house. 361 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: The families are amazingly in line, sarcastic and smart ass 362 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: and it's fun. It's fun both ways. 363 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: That's so so nice. And then just because mel he 364 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: got some heat when he said that he was really 365 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: only interested in dating under sixty, ideally between like forty 366 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: five and fifty five. What's your age gap with Lana? 367 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: Ooh? So yeah, So I kind of refer to Lana 368 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: as being ageless and timeless. So there is a bit 369 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 3: of an age gap there that you probably will be 370 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: able to find in research, but you can find. 371 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: It okay, respect. 372 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 4: Inspect. 373 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 3: The thing with age is that it's more an issue 374 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: of understanding the humor references in the culture and the 375 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: music and all of that. Before I even knew what 376 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: my age difference with Atlanta was, she'd already displayed that 377 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: she kind of filled that gap, that there wasn't a 378 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: concern with that. Yea, So age kind of became unimportant. 379 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: I still find myself. I have like a seven year 380 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: age gap and well six and a half, and I 381 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: still find myself with Jess sometimes being like, you might 382 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: have been too young for this, And then I'll tell 383 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: a story of like a show from my childhood or 384 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: a song from a childhood. She actually loves it. She 385 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: thinks it's like she's like keep saying I was too 386 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 4: young for this. She loves it. 387 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: I think back as far as I can, and she 388 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: still gets the references to TV shows and all of it. 389 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: I mean, she's a Midwestern girl. She grew up twenty 390 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: miles from where I live in Auburn, Indiana, So it's 391 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 3: pretty easy match. 392 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, those Indiana people just the best. Did you and 393 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 4: Mel talk at all before he started this experience? 394 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: No, I didn't get the opportunity. 395 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 4: Did you want it? 396 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 3: I would have welcomed it, yes, but it didn't come along. 397 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: Why do you think that was? Did you? Did the 398 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: producers ever ask to connect you to well? 399 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: As you're aware there was a change of guard behind 400 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 3: former producer Jason, I would have been there absolutely. The 401 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: new regime that is now no longer the new regime 402 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: probably didn't look at it the same way. 403 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 4: It's an interesting season. We've talked about it at length. 404 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 4: I don't need to keep going into it, but Gary, 405 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 4: I had so much excitement and hope personally for the 406 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: Golden franchise. I loved it. My wife and I got 407 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: to watch it together, and she doesn't watch the Bachelor 408 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: of Bachelor. It was something that we cried with, we 409 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 4: celebrated with. It just was so good. Obviously, if we 410 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: just look at the number, this season has not done 411 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: what Jones season did or your season did. In your opinion, 412 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: as maybe the only person on earth that can speak 413 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 4: to it, why, oh. 414 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: God, that's a heavy question. I think quite honestly, expectations 415 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: were pretty high. Two good success stories, Mine and Jones, 416 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: and you know, Mel's story came along and it there 417 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: was in my opinion, and I don't mean to be critical, 418 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: I just don't think there's anything unique and compelling about 419 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: his backstory and no reason to give that initial interest. 420 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 3: And then you know, once people have tuned in, are 421 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: they seeing what their expectations were? Are those things being fulfilled? 422 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: So it's a man of chemistry on a grand scheme, 423 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: just you know, like you and your wife, me and Lana. 424 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: If the chemistry is not there. I don't think it 425 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: can be contrived, and I kind of think that's what's 426 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: going on with Mel's story. His women are awesome. I 427 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: think they're a super super interesting group. So man, that's 428 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 3: about all I can say about it. 429 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: We talk about this every week. Gary. I'm like, these 430 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: women are awesome, Like they seem to be really into him, 431 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: but I feel nothing from him. Do you what do 432 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: you do? You you also feel nothing from him? Yeah? Yeah, okay, thanks, Thanks, 433 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: just needed to hear that. 434 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: I don't get it, you know, Like I said, I 435 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: don't think there's a backstory that compels the viewing public 436 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: to identify with him. 437 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: See I would say maybe it's an emotional intelligence factor, 438 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: or at least maybe not. Maybe he's got it in there, 439 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: it's just he's not very good at vocalizing it. 440 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. I wish I knew the riff. 441 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 4: I think that you're speaking to Gary, and I think 442 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 4: you are one of the only people that can speak 443 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: to it accurately. I think your one of your greatest mistakes. 444 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 4: Gary also became one of the reasons why this season 445 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 4: was such a success because of the buyend. I think 446 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 4: when you said and I didn't know this, and it 447 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: makes sense to me now as we're just kind of 448 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: riffing here, that you went into it one hundred percent 449 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 4: committed that your partner was going to be in that mansion, 450 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 4: and I think that was a mistake. I would have 451 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 4: told you it's a mistake. I don't think it's a 452 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 4: good mindset. I think it puts too much pressure on 453 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 4: the lead, don't. I think it takes away from any 454 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 4: points of levity. But I also believe it was one 455 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 4: of the reasons your season was so compelling because we 456 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 4: could feel it. It felt like this, Oh my goodness, 457 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: I'm really hoping Gary find somebody. Oh my goodness, I'm 458 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: really hoping to so Leslie, Faith, Nancy, all these people 459 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: really find somebody. Like this feels so pressing, even though 460 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: if we were intelligent viewers, we'd be like, it's not 461 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: that pressing, They're gonna be fine afterwards. But I do 462 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: think the pressure of it, the intention of it, led 463 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 4: us to buy in at a level that was different 464 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: than any other season we had seen in the past. 465 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 4: I do think we're missing that this season. I feel 466 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 4: like the Golden Show. That's why I made the joke, 467 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 4: and I kind of mean it they would have had 468 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 4: a more successful season if the Bachelor walked in with 469 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 4: a walker at eighty years old hoping to find love again. 470 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 4: I think people would have watched it because they're like, 471 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 4: this isn't this is necessary, this is immediate. We need 472 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 4: him to find somebody now, because goodness, if he gets 473 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 4: out of this, the dating pool is not big that. 474 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 4: I think that's like one of the reasons why we 475 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 4: felt certain ways towards the show. 476 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very good observation. It brings a level 477 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 3: of urgence and a level of you know, connection and 478 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: so forth that's not there with mel. 479 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right. 480 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: My last question, Jary is how are you doing health wise? 481 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: We heard that your your bone cancer is such a 482 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: slow growth that like you could live with it for 483 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: a very long time. Do you feel physically different with it? 484 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I do. The tricky part is how 485 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: is a guy seventy four supposed to feel? And yeah, 486 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 3: you know, I know, I sleep more. I know that 487 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: there's these little issues that come along. I mean, Landa 488 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: and I went to Niagara Falls and I came back 489 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: with a cold, and it was almost a month later 490 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 3: and I'm still I still have this bit of a 491 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: nagging cough. Is that just because that's the way it is, 492 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: am I seventy four? Or is it a contributing factor 493 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: from this cancer. I'd like to think that it's just 494 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: run of the mill stuff. And until a doctor tells 495 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: me that, yeah, Gary, you have this specific symptom which 496 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: is indicating progression of the disease, I'm gonna assume that 497 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: I'm as healthy as I ever was. I'm just getting older. 498 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: Okay, final question for you, Gary, Rumors are out there, 499 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: articles are being put out that this will be the 500 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 4: final season of the Golden Bachelor. How does that make 501 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 4: you feel? 502 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: That makes me sad. That makes me feel very bad 503 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: because I think the message, if we go back to 504 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 3: the original message of the Golden Bachelor, it's a true 505 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: and pure message, have heart, hope and humor. And just 506 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: because of one wayward season, I would hate to see 507 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: those mandates go by the wayside. It's fixable, and you know, 508 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: I hope, uh. You know, if if Jason Erlik is 509 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: back in charge of the franchise and and he runs 510 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: the next season of a Golden he brings the season 511 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: back again. 512 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: That's very well put. 513 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 4: Gary's book, Golden Years is available now. Thank you Gary 514 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 4: Turner for joining us. The best of luck with everything. 515 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great interview. Thank you so much 516 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: for your time. 517 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: You guys were a hoot to talk to. I appreciate 518 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: it so much. 519 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 4: Thank you. 520 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: He took a lot of hard questions, so we appreciate 521 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: you too. See you, Gary. 522 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 3: Bye. 523 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: Gary's book Golden Years is out now. This has been 524 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: the Almost Famous Podcast until next time. 525 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: I've been Ben, I've been Ashley. Peace, Love you bye. 526 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast on 527 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.