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Speaker 2: It felt like there was no real investigation at all,

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Speaker 2: regardless of any and all information that Audra and Mandy

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Speaker 2: have shared with them. It just went nowhere. I feel

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Speaker 2: like most detectives in that situation would use a lot

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Speaker 2: less to do more. Even reading the autopsy report, it

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Speaker 2: kind of paints its own picture. It really does. I'll

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Speaker 2: put it this way. If it seemed like some sort

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Speaker 2: of foul play to three amateurs, I can only imagine.

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Speaker 3: How it would look to someone who does this every

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Speaker 1: My team and I have been actively investigating Jessica's case

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Speaker 1: for over two years now. In all of my conversations

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Speaker 1: with Jessica's family, something they've made abundantly clear is their

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Speaker 1: lack of faith in the INNOPD. Their biggest fear in

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Speaker 1: all of this isn't that answers surrounding Jessica's death can't

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Speaker 1: be found. It's that the INNOPD won't put in the

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Speaker 1: work to find them. They've had a strong feeling that

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Speaker 1: this case has been headed nowhere for some time now.

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Speaker 1: But despite the family's frustration with what they feel is

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Speaker 1: a stalled INOPD investigation, we've still learned a lot thus far.

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Speaker 1: We've heard the body cam footage of police talking with

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Speaker 1: Justin the day Jessica went missing. We've shared loads of

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Speaker 1: text messages and correspondence between Justin and those close to Jessica.

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Speaker 1: We've gone over all the reports we've obtained from the INNOPDA,

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Speaker 1: the coroner's office, and the family, discovering that a toxicology

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Speaker 1: screening found meth in Jessica's system, and then an autopsy

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Speaker 1: report indicated both pre and post mortem injuries to her body. Then,

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Speaker 1: in February twenty twenty one, the coroner released the following

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Speaker 4: Advanced changes of decomposition can make determination of cause and

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Speaker 4: manner of death difficult, as it did in this case.

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Speaker 4: Due to this decomposition, toxicology testing was limited to liver tissue,

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Speaker 4: which did test positive for methamphetamine and bupropion. However, it

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Speaker 1: The coroner, of course listed Jessica's cause and manner of

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Speaker 1: and we have a good idea where her family and

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Speaker 1: we don't know. Where does the case currently stand, who's

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Speaker 1: When re examining a case like Jessica's, requesting access to

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Speaker 1: the investigative process, and we've put in our fair share

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Speaker 1: of requests, But the NPD only granted us access to

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Speaker 1: the initial missing person's report and the report filed when

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Speaker 1: Back in May twenty twenty one, Todd and I decided

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Speaker 1: This is the same Corner's office who performed Jessica's autopsy.

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Speaker 1: glass doors. The doors are locked, but there's an intercom

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Speaker 6: What would.

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Speaker 7: We're here to adquire about the past case? The name

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Speaker 7: Jessica Derney, Do you are n I n G?

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Speaker 6: All right, hold on it.

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Speaker 11: We're actually just trying to see if the corner's office

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Speaker 10: corner's office is complete with their investigation. We only handle

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Speaker 11: This time, okay, perfect Is.

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Speaker 11: Is there an investigator on duty that can just explain

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Speaker 10: What actually happened is once the case is closed, and

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Speaker 10: if there is an office that's handling that case who

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Speaker 5: It will come in to collect it, and.

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Speaker 10: Then they themselves would move forward with either going further

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Speaker 11: Okay, So at this point the coroner's duties with it

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Speaker 9: And if a case is left like cause of death undetermined,

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Speaker 9: change that, do they then come back to your office

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Speaker 10: It would be to the pathologist or probably the chief pathologist.

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Speaker 10: Most times it deals with the pathologist that performed that ortopy.

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Speaker 11: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 12: You're welcome, Thanks, goodbye.

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Speaker 1: While we didn't get all of our questions answered, it's

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Speaker 1: So on that note, headed over to the ENOPDS District

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Speaker 1: Parking in the back of the large police campus, we

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Speaker 8: I'd be right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're standing under a metal awning that's shielding us

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Speaker 8: Hut out one of our property grown charges.

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Speaker 6: Great, okay, great, So what's score? A second kind of

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Speaker 6: guide you off to the right spot?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're after a brief wait, A towering man

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Speaker 1: This is our conversation with Lieutenant Ernest Luster, who heads

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Speaker 6: Hello, Mom, you all turned Lustlon and Lawrence police h John,

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Speaker 6: All right, I mean how can we help you?

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Speaker 12: Okay? So her name is Jessica Noel and he is

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Speaker 12: a retired detective.

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Speaker 11: I am an investigative journalist. We're working on a story

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Speaker 11: about a case. Jessica ply darning. Okay, and we were

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Speaker 12: What we're interested in.

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Speaker 11: If we're not familiar with New Orleans Investigations Police department,

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Speaker 11: we want to kind of show how.

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Speaker 12: It goes from the scene of where her.

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Speaker 11: Body was found to the corner to the police and

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Speaker 11: where that goes to investigations.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, the process and procedure of that all right, So.

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Speaker 6: How that works is so that's a determin about a

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Speaker 12: Because signed into a homicide detective if it's not yet

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Speaker 6: Because we never yet detectives that are assigned to the

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Speaker 6: Any type of homicide goes directly to the homicide division,

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Speaker 6: whether it be a drug overdose and the person was

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Speaker 6: have the final disposition from the coroner, and this case

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Speaker 6: is given to you all to do investigations.

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Speaker 1: Just a quick pause here to remind you that a

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Speaker 1: homicide detective was on the scene when Jessica's body was found,

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Speaker 1: but since then her case has moved off the Homicide

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Speaker 8: This homicide usually respond to most of you that scenes

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Speaker 6: Happens because it's it's a forensics case. Whereas now the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but we we have nothing further to go with, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: With overdoses, for instance, or when when drug levels are

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I couldn't answer that. Yeah, that's something that they

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Speaker 1: As we continue speaking with Luster, he doubles back to

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Speaker 1: But we don't know. All we know in Jessica's case

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Speaker 6: Until they give us clarity and say, hey, this person's

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Speaker 6: I mean right now until we can get more evidence

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Speaker 6: that part of your job? No? Well my part? My

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Speaker 8: Well, is there a greed of time if no new

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Speaker 6: It would never be closed, so it could be open

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Speaker 6: we've had cold cases of fact. There was a cold

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Speaker 11: So you won tips to come in, Yes, from anywhere?

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Speaker 6: Information? Yes, oh yes, indeed that's how most of our

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Speaker 1: We had hoped to find out who is investigating Jessica's case.

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Speaker 1: But the disturbing answer we found was no one is.

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Speaker 1: If what the lieutenant is telling us is in fact

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Speaker 1: n OPD procedure, then the n OPD is waiting on

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Speaker 1: But some see it as an opportunity for a second look.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kimberly Masnik, who you may remember from our analysis

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Speaker 5: It's kind of I want to call it a placeholder.

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Speaker 5: having watched many interviews with her sister, that sister's not

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Speaker 1: Basically, if there's one good thing about an undetermined classification,

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Speaker 5: If you don't ask the corner to specifically test for something,

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Speaker 5: that definitely needs to be re examined. For whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Masnik has a good point. There is potential for

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Speaker 1: This case is a cuppy. No rest have been made,

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Speaker 6: We were walking the dog.

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Speaker 13: We're heading towards City Park and we were going between

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Speaker 13: the railroad and that security building. I spot that ID

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Speaker 13: on the ground. I picked it up and I walk

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Speaker 13: over to her and I show it to her and

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Speaker 13: she says, oh, that's a woman who was killed.

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Speaker 1: Undetermined is a production of Resonate Recordings and Tenderfoot TV

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with Cadence thirteen, written and hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Jessica Nole and produced by Dennis Cooper and Todd McComas,

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Speaker 1: with additional production by Whitney Bozart. Executive producers are Dennis Cooper,

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Speaker 1: producer is John Street, Editing, mixing, mastering, and sound design

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