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Speaker 1: as we are inching closer to the NFL draft, buck

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Speaker 1: can play. And I think Derwin plays a little bit

429
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: that Cam Chancellor rule for the charges they expanded a

430
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 1: little more, but in terms of that enforced that guy

431
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: you can drop into box and do a bunch of

432
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 1: different things with. I think Jeremy Chin is ideally suited

433
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,479
Speaker 1: to play in their role, no doubt. Um, all right,

434
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 1: I want to have a quick chat here on runs

435
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: because we've talked a lot about the offensive tackle run

436
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 1: we could see in the top ten of this draft, Buck,

437
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 1: I think the next run we're gonna see is gonna

438
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: be the run on whiteouts, and that's gonna go eleven

439
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: to twenty one. And let me give you my thoughts

440
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: here real quick. Jets at eleven, if they get wiped

441
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 1: out on the tackles they like, that could be the

442
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: first receiver spot right there at eleven. The Raiders, I believe,

443
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: will take a receiver at twelve. That's a glaring need

444
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: on their roster. They're gonna have a chance to get

445
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: a big time guy right there. Uh. The Niners came

446
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: up thirteen, I would imagine, Uh, they go in a

447
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: different direction, but there's gonna be some tempting options for them.

448
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: They're at thirteen. Uh, the Broncos at fifteen, Buck, I

449
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: think they're and they're you know a lot of people

450
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 1: have been connecting them with Henry Ruggs as a as

451
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: a receiver team. There gets somebody opposite of Courtland Sutton

452
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: Um that would make some sense for the Denver Broncos seventeen.

453
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 1: The Cowboys potentially, I know they have needs in the secondary.

454
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 1: UM that's potential. I don't know what the Dolphins, I

455
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: could have probably too many other needs. They can go

456
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: receiver a little bit later. But then you get down

457
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: to twenty one. The Eagles, they're a team that have

458
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: has been definitely pegged as a wide receiver team. So

459
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 1: you're looking potentially, buck let's say one, two, three, four,

460
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: we could see five or six receivers go from eleven

461
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: to twenty one. All right, DJ, it's funny that you

462
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: you talk about the Ruddy, you talk about those teams,

463
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: and all those teams have a special need for playmakers.

464
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: And we've talked about the depth in the town. That

465
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 1: is why receiver class and now you probably could feel

466
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: the need in the second and third round because we've

467
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: seen guys like a j Brown of Michael Thomas pop.

468
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: But if you feel the pressure to get one of

469
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: those guys that we deemed to be a special guy,

470
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: a Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Judy Henry Ruggs, uh, it

471
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: could impact when these guys go off the board. So

472
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: with the Jets desperately needing someone um to put alongside

473
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: Sam Donald to give him a weapon, a playmaker, someone

474
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: that can make things happen. That's where the run could start.

475
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: And it could be maybe one of those surprising picks.

476
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a Henry Ruggs that becomes the first overall

477
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: guy that comes off the board of the position, because

478
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: you've talked about him maybe being a surprise number one

479
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver. UM to go. So if he goes, well,

480
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: then that's the speed demon. Then where does Ceedee Lamb go?

481
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: And who has to take Jerry Judy the UH playmaker

482
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: and of those teams, the Jets, the Raiders for sure

483
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: have to get it. UH. The forty nine is a

484
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: still looking for um that dominant player. Deebo Samuel came

485
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: on like game busses at the end of the year.

486
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: But do they have a guy that can be like

487
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: the route runner, someone that could do some of the

488
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: Emmanuel standards stuff that is important. The Broncos have Courtland Sudden,

489
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: but they need someone that can kind of stretch the fuel. UM.

490
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: I think the Falcon is good. The Cowboys also could

491
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: be in need because round the Cob disappears. They don't

492
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: have necessarily that slot receiver that can make it happen.

493
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: The Dolphins always need to add talent, and then the

494
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Jaguars someone else that they can go around in the

495
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: passing game, and the Eagles for sure need more speed.

496
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: And so all of those guys need to kind of

497
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: fish in the wide receiver pond, but they may be

498
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: looking for a different type of fish, not necessarily the

499
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: same fish. Well, the interesting team to me is the Raiders.

500
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: So the Raiders picking twice in this window, at twelve

501
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: and at nineteen. So let's say, um, you know, say

502
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: a say a player like a Ken Law or somebody

503
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: like that. Fella twelve, Um, Raiders will be facing a decision. Okay,

504
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: we need a receiver, but this player is just too

505
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: good to pass up, so let's take him. We'll get

506
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: a receiver at nineteen. Well, that could be the difference

507
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: in getting your first or second option and getting your

508
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: fifth receiver at pick nineteen. So do you want to gamble?

509
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: Do you want to play that game? Or do you

510
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: just take the receiver right there at twelve? And that's

511
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting decision for those guys. You have to

512
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: be a really interesting decision. Um. You know what's what's

513
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: interesting about um? The decision how much do you want

514
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: to invest in that position, because as you stated, like

515
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position has been really really tricky in

516
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: terms of like the first year production of your rookies.

517
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: We've seen some guys in the first round get drafted

518
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: and making media impact, but we've also seen second and

519
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: third rounders, uh kind of make it happen. And there's

520
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: a theory that with all these guys playing and spread offenses,

521
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: that you just don't know which one is going to

522
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: grasp the NFL style offense quicker. And sometimes that is

523
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: why Terry mc lauren can have immediate success and some

524
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: other guys can struggle, um without having the opportunity to

525
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: bring these guys in and put them on the board

526
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: and really get a feel for what they know, while

527
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: also having the pro day workouts where you can work

528
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: him out and kind of see what they know what

529
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: the rout try. Man, it's gonna be harder nail more

530
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: than ever to really know which receiver is the best

531
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: fit for what you want to do offensively. These teams

532
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: are scrambling, you know, trying to get all these skype

533
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: interviews and uh and try and get a read on

534
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: some of these guys they might not know as well.

535
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: But again, you better rely on your on your area

536
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: scouts in your personnel department there that have done a

537
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: good job through the fall hopefully to carry you through

538
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: the spring. Um Buck next topic here, and I want

539
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: to kind of just lump us all together, not not

540
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: talking about the individual cases, but we have guys like

541
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: Jordan's love Um who did not have a lot of

542
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: talent around him this year. We mentioned can Makers and

543
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: their offensive line issues and what was in front of him, Uh,

544
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, Donovan People's Jones is another one who I

545
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: think the talent is probably better than what we saw

546
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: on the field there at the at Michigan for various reasons.

547
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: But how do you go about separating the situation with

548
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: the player, you know, because it's it's so easy on

549
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: the outside. I said, this guy is not any good.

550
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: He's through you know, seventeen interceptions. He's terrible, you know,

551
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: And I think people, I think on the outside don't

552
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: necessarily understand the challenge. Scouts have to be able to

553
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: cut through all the different situations to find out what

554
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: this guy can do once he gets with your team. Yeah,

555
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's a lot right, So, UM,

556
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately when we're evaluating players, Yeah, you're trying

557
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: to look at the talent they have first, like what

558
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: they have, what they do, what they do with the

559
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: opportunities that they have. But then you can't help because

560
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: every player's impacted by what's around him, and so you're

561
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: trying to also evaluate what's around him, and then you're

562
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: trying to project, well, if I put him with a

563
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: better offensive line, or if I put him in a

564
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: situation where he has a legitimate quarterback, or if it's

565
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback and he has legitimate playmakers on the outside,

566
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: what would it potentially look like? And so it's it's

567
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: scary because it's it's a rejection. And I think when

568
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: I go back and I look at um Josh Allen

569
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: at Wyoming and we talked about Josh Allen didn't have

570
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: much around him, Well, how much weight do we we

571
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: put on that in the evaluation process Because you can

572
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: see the natural talent, you can see um, the the

573
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: armed talent and in those things, but you can't see everything.

574
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: And that's why I believe UM the guys that were

575
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: able to come out and play in All Star Games,

576
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: the guys that are a little older. You got a

577
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: chance to see them in a different environment, and so

578
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: it helped you kind of hone in what your imagination

579
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: can really see from them at the next level. So

580
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's love going to the senior but we got a

581
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: chance to see him play with the talent around him.

582
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: We got a better feel for who he is. Unfortunately,

583
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: guys like cam Akers and and others are under class

584
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: and we didn't get a chance to see them. So, um,

585
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: A lot of it is speculation. A lot of it

586
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: is like kind of like your instincts and your gut

587
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: feel for the player combined with talking to the player

588
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: and trying to the figure out like their motivations and

589
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: what drives them. But it is tough because it's not

590
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: a level playing field for everybody that's in the draft process,

591
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: and I think it becomes more important to get to

592
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: know the individual you know as a person in that situation.

593
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is a great example. Um, I got a

594
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: chance to get to know him. I know other people

595
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: that uh did their homework on him from a team standpoint,

596
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: buck They heard about how good of a worker he was,

597
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: They heard about what his teammates said about him, how

598
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: much they loved him, UM, and so you look, you

599
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: can excuse some of the issues he had because of

600
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: the supporting cast and go, Okay, I know this guy

601
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: is gonna put in the work. I know this guy

602
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: is gonna be good for us. From a leadership standpoint,

603
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: I'm buying into the person that once we put him

604
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: in a better environment and you're gonna see improve performance. UM.

605
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: And that's the challenge with a guy like you know

606
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Jordan's love is saying, Okay, how is he wired? What's

607
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: what's his work ethic? Like, how has he put in

608
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: the extra time? Because I know there's some things we

609
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: need to fix. Our supporting cast is gonna help him,

610
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: but I need him to be all in and committed.

611
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's it's even more important

612
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: on these types of players that you get to know

613
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: the kid to find out how they're wired, to see

614
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: if they're willing to put in the work you need

615
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: to get the improved of the improved performance. Yeah. And

616
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things that UM and

617
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: we've talked about it like now more than ever, UM

618
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: and learning over the past couple of years. UM, you

619
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: gotta buy into the kid. If the kid has the

620
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: right stuff, if the kid is like ball is first

621
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 1: ball as a priority, Um, they're gonna work at it,

622
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: then I'm really really willing to buy in. And I

623
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: think that's the lesson that you and I have talked about.

624
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: We learned from the Patrick Mahomes conversation when he came

625
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: into the podcast studios, and if he had come in earlier,

626
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: how it may have changed our perspective in terms of

627
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: the conversation that we had about him leading up to

628
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: the draft. But I want guys that are really really

629
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: committed to be a really good football players and not

630
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: distracted by building their brands and and some of the

631
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: other things that can kind of kind of come into

632
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: focus when you're a big time player moving on to

633
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: the next level. Uh. I think you have to know

634
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: the guy. The competitiveness, the intelligence, um, the work ethic,

635
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: all of those things matter even more than telling that

636
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: they display on the outside. I think it's it's putting

637
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: that whole puzzle together. Um, all right, Buck, one more

638
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: thing here before we wrap everything up here. Sometimes there's

639
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: a draft and you can say, Okay, this was the

640
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: this was the turning point for this particular organization in

641
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: this draft. I remember what the Charges a while back,

642
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, when they were really good in the in

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Speaker 1: the early to mid two thousand's. UM that was you know,

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Speaker 1: you go back to that draft where it was Drew Brees,

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Speaker 1: Ladanian Thomlins and that was the first one. Then they

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Speaker 1: had another draft where they got like four or five starters. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think Merriman might have been in that one. UM

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Speaker 1: that had Luis Castillo. UM. A lot of the key

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Speaker 1: players on those teams that were really really good UM

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Speaker 1: for you know, seven eight, nine years all came in

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Speaker 1: one or two drafts. And I feel like when we

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Speaker 1: look at this year, I feel like this is a

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Speaker 1: huge draft for the a f C West because you've

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Speaker 1: got the best team in football to Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 1: that you've got to try and find a way to

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Speaker 1: compete with. But you look the assets at these three

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Speaker 1: three other teams in the division. Have They've got to

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Speaker 1: get this right. The Chargers holding pick number six and

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Speaker 1: having an eat at the quarterback position, if they have

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Speaker 1: to nail that buck, they have to get the quarterback right.

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Speaker 1: They also have picked thirty seven, which is gonna be

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Speaker 1: another really good player in this draft. The Raiders have two, ones, twelve,

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Speaker 1: and nineteen. They have three third round picks. So Mayk

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Speaker 1: and Gruden did a great job last year. They've got

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Speaker 1: to back it up. This year could be the year

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Speaker 1: that gets them in into the postseason. The Broncos, uh,

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Speaker 1: they have the pick in this draft. They also have

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Speaker 1: forty six in the second and they have three third

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Speaker 1: three teams to try and somehow close the gap on

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. And it's you know, look the

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Speaker 1: way we look at it, it's, uh, it's a sizeable

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Speaker 1: gap right now that they've got to close. But they

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Speaker 1: have got to get it right in this draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they have to get it right. And so there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of ways that you can um approach it.

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Speaker 1: And I learned this from Marv Levy when I went

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Speaker 1: to Buffalo. Buffalo was coming off of going to straight

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearances, and the only thing that Marv leev

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Speaker 1: talked about in front of the room is we have

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Speaker 1: to win the division because if you win the division,

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Speaker 1: that guarantees you a playoff spot. So the team has

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Speaker 1: to be built to beat everybody in the division. So

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Speaker 1: when we talk about Kansas City and their dominance over

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Speaker 1: the division, being the Super Bowl champions is the best

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Speaker 1: way to close the gap trying to outscore them, meaning

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Speaker 1: that you fortify your offense so you can beat them

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Speaker 1: in a shootout, or do you build up your defense

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Speaker 1: to be able to slow them down. But whatever your

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Speaker 1: team building strategy is, it has to be done with

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Speaker 1: Kansas City and mind. And so when I look at

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Speaker 1: the Chargers and I'm with the six and the thirty

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Speaker 1: seventh pick um, we've speculated about the quarterback, and the

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Speaker 1: quarterback is a good piece. How quickly can the quarterback

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Speaker 1: get them up to snuff when it comes to being contended.

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Speaker 1: Can you drop a rookie quarterback in and play with

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Speaker 1: what they have around them? And when or will it

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Speaker 1: be better served to maybe get a dominant offensive tackle

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Speaker 1: and then another dominant player maybe on defense at thirty

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Speaker 1: seven and close the gap that way, depending on what

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Speaker 1: you feel about Tyrod Taylor and the like. For the

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Speaker 1: Raiders at twelve and nineteen, they gotta just get playmakers.

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Speaker 1: They gotta get really good players offensively defensively, they got

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Speaker 1: to close the gap. And then in the third round,

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Speaker 1: with so much capital in the third round, I think

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Speaker 1: you gotta find a way to get back into the

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Speaker 1: second round and get another marquee player UM for the Broncos. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you're all in on Drew Lock, then it's about

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Speaker 1: building this team around him. Uh, the defense, making sure

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Speaker 1: they're able to run the ball consistently. They can get

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Speaker 1: enough stocks. But they've lost a lot, they lost a

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Speaker 1: lot in the back end. Uh. They added a J Boyer,

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Speaker 1: of course, But I think I think it really depends

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Speaker 1: on if the decision maker believes we need to fortify

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Speaker 1: defense to hold the score down, or we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: say that Pat Mahomes gonna score a lot of points.

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Speaker 1: We gotta outscore them. That's a challenge and the biggest thing,

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Speaker 1: buck is you just can't miss. So whatever your strategy is,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna try and build up that defense to

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Speaker 1: slow down the Homes, if you're gonna try and add

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Speaker 1: some some some weapons and firepower to try and uh

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Speaker 1: compete with them and outscore them, you just you gotta

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Speaker 1: get the players right. So whatever. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: there's a writer or wrong strategy, but you've just got

725
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Speaker 1: to make sure you hit on these players or else

726
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: you're looking at Uh, you could be looking at a

727
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Speaker 1: decade plus more of dominance by the Kansas City Chiefs

728
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Speaker 1: if these teams don't get it right in this draft

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Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I mean absolutely, you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: get it right. You gotta find a way to make

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Speaker 1: it happen. Um uh. We talked about doubles, you know,

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Speaker 1: just just just make contact, put the ball in play.

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Speaker 1: You gotta hit it like you can swing for defenses.

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Speaker 1: But what you can't have, you can't have strikeouts. So

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Speaker 1: you gotta be a contact hitter. And that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that you draft uh scared, but I think you kind

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Speaker 1: of have to skew a little more towards high floor

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Speaker 1: prospects as opposed to high on the prospects. If the

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Speaker 1: choice is out there between the two, I gotta know

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting and I have to know what I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do with the player that I get, And

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Speaker 1: I think that is the most important part. Um Projecting

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Speaker 1: is great, but having a clear plan for how we're

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Speaker 1: going to use these picks and players that come with

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Speaker 1: the picks, that is the most important part. So the

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Speaker 1: synergy between the front office and the coaching staff has

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Speaker 1: to be tight, has to be ideal, no doubt. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: it's a big challenge for these teams and it's a

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Speaker 1: tough situation with the coronavirus and not being able to

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Speaker 1: get together and not getting a complete evaluation on these kids.

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Speaker 1: But no excuses. You've gotta find a way to get

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Speaker 1: it done. That's their challenge. All right, that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: it for us today. You guys appreciate you listening to us. Remember,

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Speaker 1: the three sixty series is out. We've got actually it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be out this week Justin Herbert. It releases Thursday,

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Speaker 1: so be on the lookout for that. The three sixty

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Speaker 1: episode we talked to Justin Herbert himself as well as

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Speaker 1: high school coaches, college coaches, teammates. Uh, it's a real

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Speaker 1: deep dive on Justin Herbert, the first of our three

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Speaker 1: six d series that drops Thursday. Again. You can download

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Speaker 1: out of here. Buck, No, man, just looking forward to it. Man,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to hopefully uh, the launch of head to

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Speaker 1: the draft so we can really talk about all these

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Speaker 1: guys leading up to the draft. Excited. Yeah, fingers and

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Speaker 1: toes crossed on that one. We'll wait and see uh.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we have all your draft stuff for

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Speaker 1: the whole team here that's been working so hard to

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Speaker 1: We appreciate all their efforts, and thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: To move the sticks. We'll see you next time. Thout

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