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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. John Schmuck Paul Latina

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Speaker 1: with you. The phone numbers two A, one nine, three,

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Speaker 1: with you. It's all presented by Coors Light. Paul. A

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Speaker 1: couple of things I want to touch on you today.

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Speaker 1: Let's start to news from yesterday first, and just really

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Speaker 1: quick up his lance and I discussed it on yesterday's

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Speaker 1: show Boy. It's never acquiring the NFL. Rarely do you

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Speaker 1: have a front office change at this time of year,

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Speaker 1: but we saw one yesterday with the Jets. You don't

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Speaker 1: want John Proudly. A bunch of insiders suspected that something

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Speaker 1: was gonna go down with mcagnet. I will tell you

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Speaker 1: I thought that the Jets were pointed in the right

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Speaker 1: direction of the last two years. So did I. Now

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Speaker 1: having said all of that, I also wasn't sure about

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Speaker 1: Adam Gage being hired as the head coach. I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of reservations about him based on his track

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Speaker 1: record and resume, but nonetheless, the roster I thought is

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Speaker 1: pointed in the right direction. For that reason, I was

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Speaker 1: surprised that mccagnon was dispatched. Well, I think the question

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Speaker 1: is why was the decision made now and not in January. Well,

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Speaker 1: and again that's what some of the the people who

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Speaker 1: really know the inner workings of what was going on

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Speaker 1: with that organization, they're saying that mccagnon may have been

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Speaker 1: on thinner ice than any of us thought. But the

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Speaker 1: timing is still shocking. It is, all right. Well, and

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Speaker 1: that's my my that's and that's my take on the

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Speaker 1: timing is just wow, just wow. Yeah, I agree. I'm

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Speaker 1: on the same page as you in terms of the timing.

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Speaker 1: Two topics I want to touch on before we get

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Speaker 1: to your calls at two one four, five one three

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Speaker 1: that Lance and I kind of got on off hand yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I think you guys took a call about this

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, which is kind of what prompted the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with se Kwon Barkley, and this is how

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Speaker 1: I want to go go with se kwon running backs.

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Speaker 1: We know that their longevity can be short in this league, right,

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Speaker 1: you look at seven to eight prime years at most. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I guess my question for you is how much

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Speaker 1: do you help his long term longevity and also his

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Speaker 1: effectiveness latent games and late in the season by limiting

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Speaker 1: his carries to an extent? And if you do want

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Speaker 1: to limit them, how do you go about limiting them?

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I want to go with this,

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Speaker 1: because we know s Quan is the most explosive player

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Speaker 1: on the Giants, he's their best skill position player. How

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Speaker 1: do you give him a break? How often do you

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Speaker 1: want to give him a break? What percentage of the

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Speaker 1: snaps is a good percentage? And I think it's a

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Speaker 1: real tough balancing act for this coaching staff to have

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Speaker 1: to walk as they go through the year. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: call me reckless, but I give no consideration to any

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Speaker 1: of that. I use him like Tom Coughlin used Tiki Barber.

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Speaker 1: So he's going out there, he's Russian twenty five times,

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Speaker 1: he's catching eight passes in your fun He's going out

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Speaker 1: there and he's carrying the ball maybe eighteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: times a game. But eighteen to twenty okay, Well that

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Speaker 1: that's not every carry then, okay, Well no, no, he's

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Speaker 1: not getting every carry, but Tiki Tikki. I think Tiki

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Speaker 1: was averaging about twenty three carries a game. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: would want to keep steak, so you would say you

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Speaker 1: want to keep stake one around three hundred carries for

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Speaker 1: the season, right, that would be a good number. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. I I don't

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Speaker 1: you're starting to talk about four carries a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I'm I'm gonna try to keep him a little

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with him getting three carries a game.

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Speaker 1: And I also have no problem with him, you know,

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Speaker 1: catching eighty passes ninety passes a season, because I looked

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Speaker 1: at Tiki and I I I was amazed I Tiki's production.

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Speaker 1: Once Tom Coughlin got here and said, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: Tom got here, Tiki was already becoming the workhorse back.

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Speaker 1: And when I say workhorse back, I'm talking about touches,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily running plays. But he was the focal point

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, and he and he lasted, you know,

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Speaker 1: if he would have just had only you know, three

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Speaker 1: able to play another two good years and you know,

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Speaker 1: and throughout a full season. You also don't want to

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Speaker 1: over ushi. You want to keep them fresh, right, which

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Speaker 1: means you can't march your running back out there every

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Speaker 1: question for you then, is how do you think is

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Speaker 1: best for the Giants to go about giving him a break.

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Speaker 1: Is it a situational thing where maybe short yard is

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Speaker 1: one series or possession at a time thing that they

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Speaker 1: drive and go from there. What do you think is

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Speaker 1: the best way for the Giants to go about limiting

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Speaker 1: his carry to the point where you're not gonna hurt

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Speaker 1: his production in this current year. I think it goes

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Speaker 1: by flow of the game and the individual matchups that

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Speaker 1: pre program it. I don't think you take him off

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Speaker 1: the field on third downs. Third down is one of

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Speaker 1: the most important downs that you have. I want my

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Speaker 1: best players on the field on third down to create matchup.

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Speaker 1: I might consider getting him off the field on a

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Speaker 1: jumbo package and just tell Goldman, okay, go get that

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Speaker 1: first down. That I hear you, but let me throw

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Speaker 1: this thing out to you right real quick. Last year,

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Speaker 1: they used him on all the short yardage downs right.

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Speaker 1: She was a short yordage back. He did everything the

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Speaker 1: Giants were the best short yardage team in football last year,

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Speaker 1: so les her offensive line right, so why would they

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Speaker 1: based on how the Giants used them last year, I

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Speaker 1: think they believed the same thing. Scoring touchdowns in the

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Speaker 1: red zone is so important in terms of winning football

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Speaker 1: games that you want to have your best players in

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Speaker 1: the field the same way you want your best players

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Speaker 1: And frankly unless use unless you see him struggling in

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Speaker 1: go out there and be the running back. Now, if

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Speaker 1: but I think that's how they're going to handle it

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Speaker 1: allow him to recover a little bit. That will help

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Speaker 1: the game. See, I think we're talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: That's a big difference for me. But there why Because

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Speaker 1: if it's third and one inside the opponent's red zone

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm keeping Barkley in if I'm not there seventeen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But to me, I'm not not doing it necessarily in

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Speaker 1: if I'm gonna do that, but I used to think

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Speaker 1: You asked me what would you do? Right? Okay, that's fair? Okay,

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Speaker 1: because I haven't seen enough of what their game planning

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Speaker 1: and teams have done it different ways, where heck, you

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Speaker 1: could even say, look, we don't think first downs is imporn,

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Speaker 1: some first stance. By the way, Tiki ran for three

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Speaker 1: did run for three twenty twice, which again goes to

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Speaker 1: Barber model is my model for Sa Kwan. Now, before

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Speaker 1: about this other thing with you really quick. Okay. I

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Speaker 1: know you and Lance talked about how many catches you

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Speaker 1: think Barkley is gonna have this year because you thought

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna lead the team catches again, right, I believe, So,

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Speaker 1: all right, how many think it's gonna get? I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be probably nine three nine one. Last year,

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Speaker 1: you more on him. He literally had about three or

428
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Speaker 1: four plays at practice last year that I watched and

429
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Speaker 1: he got hurt. And we haven't been out there to

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Speaker 1: see him practice since then. So likely O t a

431
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Speaker 1: start on Monday. We'll be out there, we can watch practice,

432
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Speaker 1: and that's one of the guys I'll be watching and

433
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Speaker 1: hopefully we can give you a better idea of where

434
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Speaker 1: he is as a player. But he'll be out there

435
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Speaker 1: competing with DeAndre Baker, Corey Valentine, Julian Love for a

436
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Speaker 1: spot in the cornerback rotation this year, and the Giants

437
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: is a former third round pick. You know you hope

438
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Speaker 1: that he's good enough to earn one of those about

439
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: Here's the good news. The Giants should not have any

440
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Speaker 1: trouble putting five defensive backs out on the field and

441
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Speaker 1: obvious passing situations if they want too. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah,

442
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm excited. We've got some really good athletic guys and

443
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Speaker 1: our secondary and I'm excited to see him play this year. Okay,

444
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Let's go all the way down under say

445
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Speaker 1: hello to Harrison and Australia. Harrison, what's up, hey, guys,

446
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Speaker 1: I'm a long time listen. I love the show. I've

447
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Speaker 1: got our two questions for you, guys. Sure. The first

448
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Speaker 1: one is which player in their second year? Direct and

449
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: we have the biggest jump forward for me? I can

450
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: it's b J. Hill Um. I think last year broke

451
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Speaker 1: the rookie stack record or something like that. Um. And

452
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: I believe with you Dex of Warren's coming in there

453
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Speaker 1: playing the nose tackle and hopefully Mark's golden can get

454
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Speaker 1: back to that form that he had before he had

455
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Speaker 1: that a c L injury. I really recogniiced kind of

456
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: become a defensive stud for us. And then my second

457
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Speaker 1: question is which I learnt to take it off the

458
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Speaker 1: air is which undrafted free agent from this year direk

459
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Speaker 1: and have a similar type of impact that say, like

460
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: a Tay Davis and a Grant Haley made of last

461
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: year where they can come in make a really Shaun

462
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Speaker 1: case for himself and really compaid to make the three. Okay,

463
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Speaker 1: you appreciate the call, you know, it seems to me

464
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Speaker 1: and and I understand the question because the Giants had

465
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Speaker 1: a number of guys last year who had, you know,

466
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Speaker 1: really nice rookie seasons. But Lorenzo Carter John to me,

467
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: is that guy? Now you're talking my answer, I'm with you.

468
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: I mean, because let's face it, this team desperately needs

469
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Speaker 1: more pass rush and he's one of the guys they're

470
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Speaker 1: gonna have le lean on, so they're going to give

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Speaker 1: him every chance to make a huge jump. Don't you

472
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Speaker 1: think I'm gonna say something that people are probably going

473
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Speaker 1: to roll their eyes at, but I'll say it anyway.

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Speaker 1: After say Kwon Barkley, Lorenzo Carter might be the best

475
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Speaker 1: athlete on this team. Oh he is a stud. Now

476
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: he might be the best raw athlete. You know, we talk,

477
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Speaker 1: we have our guy kent On every year talking about

478
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Speaker 1: the r a S scores that they do. The composite combine. Yeah,

479
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: did he give him? He was ten. He was literally

480
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Speaker 1: the best combination of size athletic performance of any outside

481
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Speaker 1: linebacker in combined history, according to r S coorse. And

482
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Speaker 1: that doesn't measure length or does it size and results

483
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Speaker 1: on your testing. I mean, he's a freak show. He

484
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: really is a specimen, and I would be I would

485
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Speaker 1: be really really happy for him because he is a

486
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: good kid. He's worked very hard, very astute football guy,

487
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: comes out of you know, terrific Georgia program. I'd love

488
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Speaker 1: to see him make a jump in year two to

489
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Speaker 1: where he becomes not just a good, reliable starter, but

490
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Speaker 1: a star player. I'd love to see it. Now, here's

491
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: the thing, there are a lot of really great athletes

492
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Speaker 1: and freaks in the NFL that never turned that into production.

493
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Speaker 1: So we saw him last year be better as an

494
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Speaker 1: off linebacker that covers a little bit and does a

495
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Speaker 1: lot of different things, which is what he did at Georgia,

496
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Speaker 1: which makes sense as that he was good at the start.

497
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: Now can he turn that physicality athleticism into pass rush proficiency.

498
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: That's the question. It takes a lot of technique work,

499
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: and it might take a year or two to get there,

500
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Speaker 1: maybe three, who knows, because he hasn't done a whole lot.

501
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that's capable. And if there was

502
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Speaker 1: a guy that I think was gonna stick out, it

503
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Speaker 1: would be him. I'm with you. He has one advantage

504
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: John that a lot of those athletes who don't pan

505
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: out don't have, and that is he really has fun

506
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Speaker 1: playing the game. Someone bless you. Some of these guys

507
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: who are great athletes, they do look at the game

508
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: more as a job and it's a chore and and

509
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: they're not going out there and having fun. And as

510
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: a result, their attitude does affect maybe the way they

511
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: pick things up, the way they learn, the way they developed,

512
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: the way they enhance their skills and max out their potential.

513
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: This guy has fun, Lorenzo Carter has fun playing the game,

514
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Speaker 1: and that attitude, in my opinion, could could give him

515
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: that extra edge in terms of maxing out where some

516
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: guys who look like adonalds Is don't. But that's that's

517
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Speaker 1: strictly a haphazard guests on my part, just based on

518
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Speaker 1: my interaction with him. All right, let's go to his

519
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: second question, which is about undrafted free agents. This is

520
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: one of our favorite things to talk about that we

521
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: haven't seen these guys enough to really make a sperm

522
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: call yet, especially during rookie minicamp. You know, we're trying

523
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: to watch the draft picks. It's hard to watch. Everybody wants. UM,

524
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Speaker 1: if I had to pick a guy, and I think

525
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Speaker 1: I answered this yesterday too. I picked the linebacker out

526
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Speaker 1: of Texas, El Passo, Josiah Tolfa. I think he's a

527
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: guy that will be a special team contributor immediately. Um,

528
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: and we'll see if he can compete with with Ryan

529
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: Connelly and p J. Goodson to try to figure out

530
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: a way to get on the field on defense at

531
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Speaker 1: some point during the year. He would be the one

532
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Speaker 1: guy that I think is the best chance of sticking that.

533
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: That's not a bad guess. Um. You know, I I

534
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: picked a dark horse after rookie camp every year, and

535
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to pick Dungee Eric Dungee, the Syracuse quarterback

536
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: and Jack Bowl trades, but because everybody publicized him and

537
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: wrote articles about him. I don't think he can be

538
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: a dark horse right because he's too pubbed as as

539
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: the next Swiss Army knife. Am I missing something? I

540
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't see it. Are they're gonna

541
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: use him like? Is it? Like the whole tastem Hill thing.

542
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: That's the thing, that's the thing. Uh talking to Feagles

543
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: about it. Uh, there's a possibility he'll be the personal protector.

544
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: That would be a way to get him onto the roster.

545
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: And once you get him onto the roster, you can

546
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: use him in any capacity. But the beauty of tast

547
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: him Hill, though, is that he can actually play receiver. Well,

548
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: the thought is the dungee with his frame, and he

549
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: has a rather law of frame. They're listening to him

550
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: as a slash twenty, but he's never done it before. Again,

551
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: I get it, but there's a reason he's here, no

552
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: I know, and they're gonna give him a shop. But

553
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: to me, anyway, I have to see him actually do

554
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: that in practice once, just once. Is he didn't do that.

555
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: So until I see him do that other stuff and

556
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: I think he's actually capable of doing it, I'm not

557
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: going to get excited about it. Maybe he'll be great

558
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: at it, and I hope he is. But until I

559
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: see it understood, I'm not buying. But but there was

560
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: enough of pub about him, so I'm going to disqualify

561
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: him from my my pick. I'm going with C. J. Conrad. Uh.

562
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: This tight end is is very well built. You think

563
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: they keep it four tight ends this year? Then wouldn't

564
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: shock me if he either sticks as the fourth or

565
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: or beat out Simonson beats Mountain the number three. Interesting.

566
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: I like what I saw from him. I really like

567
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: this toughness. Um. I did go back a little bit

568
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: the little homework on him, and he's he's a football player.

569
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys who's just the big, strong

570
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: son of a b the kind of guy who would

571
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: be the uh, the bouncer at the bar, you know

572
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, one of those kinds of guys you

573
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to mess with him on the field.

574
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: He's he's he's this. This guy's gonna hurt you. So

575
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm I got my eye on him. We'll see very interesting. Um. Yeah.

576
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, Harrison called back anytime, you know me,

577
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: I I love all the different accents calling into the show.

578
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: I think that's our first Australian. We've gone Irish, you've

579
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: gotten Scottish, we've got in English, we've gotten some people

580
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: from Asia. I think that might be our first Australian.

581
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: You know, when Brett Wing was here, I could have

582
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: sworn we had somebody. Yeah, you could be right, you

583
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: might have anyway, But Harrison called back. I'll make sure

584
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: I get you on right away. If you doc you

585
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: call a long distance another show. That's tough. Another show. Yeah,

586
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: not not today. You know you guys, come on, No

587
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: one wants to call long distance twice like that. Anyway.

588
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: The same time, let's go to Dave and Cranford, New Jersey.

589
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: He's us next, Dave, what's going on. It's good to

590
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: hear from you guys. Paul John the I. I think

591
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: you guys had a great debate lesson. It was actually awesome.

592
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: I love when the two of you go at it okay,

593
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: and you were you were talking about it and there's

594
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: there's a point to this team that I think is

595
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: what you guys were touching on. And that was just

596
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: kind of the different way that teams were back in

597
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: the you know, mid eighties and and nineties, and and Paul,

598
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: you were kind of making the point of kind of

599
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: the dynasty teams, and John, you were kind of going

600
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: the other direction saying, hey, I kind of like the

601
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: parody side. I think this might have been Paul. I

602
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: don't think that's okay, okay, okay, I'm sorry that one

603
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: thing you know you're right about, I'm going to be

604
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: the old skin. That's a lot. I get that. And

605
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: John's faller than Lance. So let's just you know, we'll

606
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: put that out. UM. But I guess my point is

607
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: this guy's as you look at this team in this environment.

608
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: Whoever was just debating it, I just think that this

609
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: giant team, because of things that they have addressed, everybody

610
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: wants to talk about in the media today, the things

611
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: that you know, walked out the door and and and

612
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of headlines and there's a lot of

613
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: noise around what's walked out the door. I look at

614
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: it in two areas of improvement for this team. One

615
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: is the step up of the first year to second

616
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: year players, um, and what you could expect And and

617
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: I count Grant Haley in that list. And I look

618
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: at you know, four or five six guys, one of

619
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: which is the best player on the field and Barkley,

620
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: and so it's a little crazy to think about what

621
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: his step up looks like because he's on such a

622
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: high level, you know, David Dave, David's funny, real quick.

623
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Speaker 1: I actually asked the Giants running backs coach Craig Johnson

624
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: that very question about Barkley last week, and that will

625
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: be in a podcast that we post with all the assistants,

626
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: and he said, Yeah, the jump is not going to

627
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: be in production. It's gonna be in being better or

628
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: preparing for the games mentally, making sure you don't make

629
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: any mistakes, understanding what it takes to get through a

630
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: sixteen game season. All those experiences he had last year

631
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: making him better at the little things, and we'll see

632
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: how that reflects on overall numbers. But that's where you're

633
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna see the jump from Barkley in your two days.

634
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, didn't well, coach, I should add. Coach Shuiler

635
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: also said the other day last week when when he

636
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: was at the media session, that he thought the big

637
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: jump for Barkley will be in his route running stuff

638
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: that's a part of a passing game, because they really

639
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Speaker 1: introduced that to him last year and he will grow

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Speaker 1: in that area more so probably than any other area

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Speaker 1: on the field, besides the intangibles that John's talking about.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, you I love it. You guys

643
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: are a percent, right. And but then you go to

644
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez and you go to Carter, who you guys

645
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: just talked about, and you know, um, you know, Beale

646
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Speaker 1: and McIntosh are kind of like two rookies almost in

647
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: the sense that a little bit of time they both

648
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: they are both definitely like rookies, David said, right, and

649
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: and and then then you go to the rookie class

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Speaker 1: and you think that we can get you know, three

651
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: or four um, you know, you know players, you know

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Speaker 1: in terms of that rookie class, between Love and and

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Speaker 1: and the d tackle and Baker, you know, maybe Conley

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Speaker 1: as well. And my point is when you start to

655
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Speaker 1: put those two groups together to this team, you start

656
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: to see about ten or eleven guys that that really

657
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: could be impact players. And and I guess I would

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Speaker 1: just leave you with this one last thought. Last year,

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00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: I remember calling in and you guys talking about it

660
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: cut down day last year, or at least really three days.

661
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: It was almost a week, and it was the most

662
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: it was like the most amazing time. I mean, the

663
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Giants overturned the bottom of the roster at a level

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Speaker 1: that I had never seen any team do. The roster

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Speaker 1: changed in a week us and and I just don't

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Speaker 1: I guess my point would be, you know, while I

667
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say that they couldn't bring in you know, I

668
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: don't know a role player attackle. I mean they can

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Speaker 1: obviously do that, I just don't see that same number.

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Speaker 1: And I think as much as they needed to do that,

671
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was it was them talking about

672
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: the depth of the roster. I don't see the same

673
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: thing this year. And I think that's going to help

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Speaker 1: with some continuity and just kind of going into the

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Speaker 1: season and getting off to a better start. I'd love

676
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: to hear you guys thoughts on that. Yeah, look whatever.

677
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: And we talked to both the offensive end of defensive

678
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: coaches last week, and every one of them, from the

679
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: coordinators to the position coaches, all stressed how much further

680
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: ahead everybody is at this point in than where they were,

681
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: and not just the players, by the way, the coaches too,

682
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: who are trying to learn the system last year for

683
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: the first time, coming in and doing things so Yeah,

684
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: there's no question that doing it that way and being

685
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: in this for the second year will help both sides.

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00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: For the returning players, and there's only thirty something returning players,

687
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: so you get a lot of guys on this roster

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00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: that are new, but it will help the guys that

689
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: are coming back. When you talk about turnover, the whole

690
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: key to turnover, especially with a team that's under renovation,

691
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: is you want is large a number of quality young

692
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: players as you can possibly get your hands on. And

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Speaker 1: what what I kind of laugh at were those critics

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Speaker 1: who ripped Getleman for you know, a percentage of his

695
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: moves and said, well, oh a mom, I didn't work out,

696
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: or they moved Flowers and that didn't work out. Uh,

697
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, they signed Steward or Connor barn Went. I

698
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: get it. There they were gonna be when you change

699
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: over like roster, there's gonna be a bunch of guys

700
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: who don't work out. That's just math. Okay, that's gonna happen.

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00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: So I ask you, those critics, I ask you, did

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: you want him to keep the bulk of the roster

703
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: the same after it failed miserably the year before? Did

704
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: you not want him to get younger and less expensive

705
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: and at least have some more upside on the roster.

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00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's laughable. You can't have it both ways

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00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: and in in response to his comment more directly, Yeah, John,

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Speaker 1: you're right, there's only a certain amount of guys who

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Speaker 1: have been brought back from last year's team. But of

710
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: those guys who have been brought back to the ninety

711
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: man roster, I don't think we're gonna see a ton

712
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Speaker 1: of them jettisoned because those guys, for the most part keepers.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised that they're like, well, Robert Martin, Yes,

714
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Speaker 1: I was, except that within twenty four hours they signed

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Speaker 1: Rod Smith, so it must have well, obviously those two

716
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: moves were connected, but still had something going on there.

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Speaker 1: I liked what I saw from Martin last year, so

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Speaker 1: did I in practice, so did I. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: John h really good preseason out of him, and I

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Speaker 1: and I think, by the way, again, I don't know

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Speaker 1: the behind the scenes or folder things that may have,

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Speaker 1: you know, inhibited his possibilities of staying here. But if

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Speaker 1: I'm an NFL team, I'd want Robert Martin in my

724
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: training camp. I threw this out the Lance yesterday how

725
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: about this talking about Rod Smith. We haven't really talked

726
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: about it together yet. What if he's here too as

727
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: much to compete with Elijah Penny as he is to

728
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Speaker 1: compete with Wayne Goldman. Smith was a fullback in college. Yeah. Oh,

729
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's here to compete with Goldman or

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00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: compete for that third running back about whatever. But I

731
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: think like he he might be on the roster and

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Speaker 1: Penny might not be because those and the Smith can

733
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Speaker 1: catch too. Those two guys are very similar. Yes, oh,

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Speaker 1: I agree if that, If that was your suggestion, I

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Speaker 1: totally agree he's competing with either Penny or's competing with

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Speaker 1: Paul Perkins is the third running back. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's competing with Goldman at all. To me, do you

738
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: think they could keep four if iffy very iffy, especially

739
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: if they're going to keep Dungee as a wild card.

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00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: That's a good point too. I think I forgot about that,

741
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: you know. But but for me Goldman, I wouldn't say

742
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: he's like cemented in like Barkley is. But I think

743
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: Goldman would have to would have to really screw up

744
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: to lose the number two job. I agree, I just

745
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: meant more he could be seen as not just a

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00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: running back, but as a running back slash fullback too.

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00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: In that role, yeah, I don't have a problem with that.

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00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: Let's go to Rudy in New York. He's up next

749
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kick Golf Live presented Buy Corp's Light.

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Speaker 1: What's up ready, Hey guys, how are you goody good? Good? Um?

751
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to call in a long time.

752
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: You know, I listened every day and I really enjoyed

753
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: the show. You guys do an awful jobs. Appreciate that.

754
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: Thank thank you for the draft work to thank you,

755
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: but it made us insane and did yeah. Yeah, So

756
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Speaker 1: if you just give me a moment, I have like

757
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: a few questions or too much you want to ask?

758
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: You got ahead? All right? Cool? So my my runt

759
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: then is this. I've been online and look, you know

760
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: these quote unquote giants fans, they talk about how Eli

761
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: has done and how bad he is, etcetera, etcetera. And

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00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that I can deal with that

763
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: because people have their opinions and I really don't care.

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00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: I'm an Eli guy all the way. Like I think

765
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: he still got it. I think with a better online

766
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: and a and a better defense to stop helping us

767
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: lose game. Will will be all right. Now, here's my

768
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: problem with some comments that some fans have said. One

769
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: guy that I kind of went back and forth was

770
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: yesterday made a comment that it's Eli's fault that wide

771
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: receivers have gotten hurt. And I'm thinking, for myself, how

772
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: how is that even possible? Did Eli hit them himself?

773
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What the guy probably means

774
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: that there are quarterbacks who will throw passes that are

775
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: dangerously erratic to where receivers are put in harm's way,

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00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: either over the middle or stretching out on the sideline

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00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: and getting whacked in the ribs, etceterace. His ankle was

778
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: on a high pass. But the blame on the quarterback

779
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: is it's silly. Yeah, it's silly. Is not in that category.

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00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: And I get that because I personally believe that Eli

781
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: throws the ball a lot of times going a way

782
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: to help protect some of our receivers. But that's just

783
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: my opinion, you know, whatever, unless he's being pressured in

784
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: the pocket or getting hit while he's thrown. As you know,

785
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: he's been hitting done for the last couple of years.

786
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: But um, anyway, I'm just you know that that's just

787
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: me venting. I'm just annoying with how people keep attacking

788
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: ELI and just come on, like give the guy a

789
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: chance throw from from sitting on your butt on your

790
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: back when you keep getting hit every every game. Um.

791
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, so my my point still that duty, UM

792
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: want to get your and on these things. Um. We

793
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: talk about our defense and getting facts. Um. And I

794
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: know that we got uh thirty sacks last year, right now,

795
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: what are your opinions on one worthy facts? Because there's

796
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: times where we're out of the game or you know

797
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: it's a fact that we'll get that it doesn't do

798
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: anything for us to get the ball back or to

799
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: even win the game. You know, it's like throw these

800
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: facts basically being part of the status and too. You know,

801
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: if we got thirty worthy facts, you know, wouldn't you

802
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: rather that than third or than forty five? General? Not really,

803
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. It's just it's impossible to calculate.

804
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: And I would have to go back and look at

805
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: every individual sac and see when in the game they happen. Now,

806
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: there are some sacks, and this is how I look

807
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: at it. With with with players individual players, not the

808
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: team necessarily. There are sacks that quarterbacks will run into

809
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: where I will look at a play and I don't

810
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: great people, That's not what I do. But I'm when

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Speaker 1: I'm watching tape and I see a sack, and even

812
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: though a defensive lineman might get credit for that sack,

813
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: if the quarterback is flushed out of the pocket and

814
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: runs right into the guy, I'm not gonna say, oh,

815
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: what a great play. He got a sack. The quarterback

816
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: ran into him. He even beat his guy. So for me,

817
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: I look at him more from an individual basis, where

818
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: there are guys some years where they finished with eight

819
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: or nine sacks and like, boy, he's never had that

820
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: many sacks, But where how do you do it? And

821
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: then you look at the actual sass and like, oh,

822
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: now I get it. There was a screen pass where

823
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: nobody blocked him, this offensive lineman fell down, there was

824
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: a missed a signmon here, he had a free runner.

825
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of cheap sacks for individual players.

826
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Speaker 1: But I think it's really hard to figure out when

827
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Speaker 1: sacks in games are important and and when they're not.

828
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Speaker 1: Remember this too, Remember this two, Rudy, when you're down

829
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: by a lot of points. Other teams aren't passing the ball,

830
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Speaker 1: so when you're getting blown out, you're not gonna get

831
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot of sacks. But other teams are running it,

832
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: they're not gonna may take you know, deep drops. I mean,

833
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: look this, and you know, Rudy, it is Rudy, right, Rudy.

834
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Speaker 1: This is why I don't buy so much of these

835
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: analytics guys, because so much of them are just pure numbers,

836
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: black and white. Let's throw him at you, and and

837
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of context involved in these things,

838
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: very often at least. So you know, I came up

839
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Speaker 1: with a with a term, and I call it empty statistics.

840
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: I came up with that during the Carlton Bailey error

841
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: when he was a linebacker here when Dan Reeves was

842
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: the Giants quarterback, and Carlton Bailey used to compile a

843
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: lot of tackles. He did it with the Bills before

844
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: the Giants signed up as a free agent. He was

845
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: on those Bill Super Bowl tacks. He was. And the

846
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: thing was, so Carlton Bailey comes to the Giants with

847
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: these great stats and then all of a sudden, we're

848
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: watching him play and it's like, okay, yeah, he's getting

849
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of tackles, but but at six yards then

850
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: the field exactly. Carlton Bailey would never get stops for

851
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: no gain, would never get tackles for losses. And by

852
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: the way, when it was third and two, he was

853
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: making the tackle after four yard gains in the aine

854
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: were moving and that's not good. And so I decided

855
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: that I was gonna term those numbers empty stats. When

856
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: guys are I guess for INCESSA likes to call them compilers,

857
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: although that's for more duration than there's anything else. Well,

858
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm calling a guy who compiles stats that aren't effectively

859
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: helping you win. I define that as empty stats. So

860
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: you're you're asking, you're asking, I guess, is it great

861
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: if you have fifty sacks but they're empty sacks? Empty stats.

862
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that we could we could really dissect

863
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: that right now based on what the tools we have

864
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: available to us. But I get your point. Empty stats

865
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: really stink because they don't help you win. And that's

866
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: that's that was you know my point. It's like I'd

867
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: rather have that's twenty facts that help us win game

868
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: than fifty pointless facts. You know what I mean. That's

869
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: anyway that's just my point. But the last two quick

870
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: things and I'll take it off the air um is

871
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: opinion about pick six that we just got, you know, Jones, Look,

872
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: we need a future quarterback. No matter how good elif

873
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: still is, how much you throws, we do need to

874
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: think about our future. So I'm not mad at the pick.

875
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: I did want a defenseman, but hey, we got going

876
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: to back for the future. So let's look at as

877
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: you know, get them and got us more than one

878
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: pick in the first round, and we got our defenseman

879
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: in the first round. So that's pick. That six pick

880
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: to me was a thank you will take it, you know,

881
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: and then let's see what we could do with the

882
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 1: balls that we do have on the rest of those

883
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: round one picks. Now, the one thing I did want

884
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: to ask you, guys, and I'm taking up the areas,

885
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: which wide receiver do you think we have right now

886
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: outside of the starters, whether it's unsigned or you know,

887
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of like the four six guys on the team,

888
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: do you think has that elusiveness that let's say Cruise

889
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: had when he came out of nowhere and became like

890
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: a star with the Giants. Thanks appreciate the call about it. Um. Yeah, boy,

891
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to put anyone on Victor Cruizer's level

892
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: because he was special. That's dangerous. But I guess, and

893
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: what if you just want to go by raw numbers

894
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: and how they perform athletically. The guy you gotta look

895
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: at his Corey Coleman, I think, right, yeah, you do.

896
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: I mean he's the guy. The guy's physical school tools

897
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: and his speed and quickness is probably unmatched by any

898
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: other receiver on this roster. You couldn't say he's he's well,

899
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: he ran a fourth three seven right three? I think

900
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: you know so, I mean I get that. But to

901
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: be the Victor Cruz package, you've gotta be a lot

902
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: more than than just what we talked about. Yeah, Sillian's

903
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: more straight ahead speed than I think he is side

904
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: to side quick, and Cruise was more side to side

905
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: quick than he was straight away speed. Crew. Cruise had moves, man,

906
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, he had what a route runner

907
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: that was his side, that was his stopping goes, side

908
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: to side ability, that changed direction. He was just great

909
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: out of breaks, and I think Corey Coleman has that ability.

910
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: Now let's see if you can put it together. This

911
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: is his fourth team now, so fourth team in four

912
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: years for a first round pick, not a great sign usually,

913
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: but he'll be given another opportunity and see if he

914
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: can stay healthy, which has been another problem he's had

915
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: over the course of his career. And give the Giants

916
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: something and say you don't want Can I just say

917
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: one thing here, John, about Victor Cruz, No, I I

918
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: really need to Victor Cruz. I know he was hyped

919
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: when he was at the top of his game, but

920
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: I think we quickly forgot about how special he really

921
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: was when we saw Beckham makes superhuman plays and I

922
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: think that then became the new flavor of the month.

923
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: And I don't take anything away from what Beckham did.

924
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: His athleticism was off the charts. My god, he was electrifying,

925
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: for he really was electrifying. That's a great word, great

926
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: word for it, electrifying. But you know what before him,

927
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: Victor Cruz was a damn good receiver and he was

928
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: electrifying in his own right. When we would go to

929
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: opposing football stadiums and the place would rock when he

930
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: would catch a touchdown pass or a first down. They

931
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: all be chanted. I mean, besides the Eli Gergy's like

932
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: people have had now, for fifteen years or however long

933
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: it's been, we saw more Cruise Jersey than any other

934
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: player at road games, and it wasn't close. I mean,

935
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: just go back and look at some of those those

936
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: clips from for instance, the two thousand seventh season, I mean,

937
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: the eleventh season, the eleventh season. I'm going back real

938
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: for right now, but the two thousand seventh season and

939
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: the eleventh season, thank you, John, Oh my goodness, I'm

940
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: really getting lost here in the throwback machine. But but

941
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: but watch some of Victor Cruz's greatest place as a Giant.

942
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: They are spectacular. I mean, he really was special, a

943
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: lot more special than people I think want to remember

944
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: because they were overwhelmed by back And it's gonna be

945
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: one of those footnotes though, where his three dominant years

946
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: were special and then the injury just wipes it out. Well,

947
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: and it's a rough game that way, where you like,

948
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, you go back and talk about Gail Sayers

949
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: did it for longer, but he was electrifying for seven

950
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: years and then he was he was just done, you know,

951
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: and and to some degree, okay, not on the same level,

952
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Knicks was really fun to watch, you know. It's funny

953
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: though not quite the same as dynamic. Yeah, I never

954
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: that's a good word. I never found him to be dynamic.

955
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: He would make contested catches, he would do back shoulder stuff.

956
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: He never looked like he was running fast, but he

957
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: would somehow always catch the ball and make big play.

958
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: So he did he he knicks almost did it in

959
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: a boring way. So productive. Oh no, really good receiver.

960
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: And he had People don't realize how many foot problems

961
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: he had, and like problems. He had incredible amount letticism away,

962
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: but it happens. That's why it's it's just a rough,

963
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: rough game that way something, which is why I consider

964
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: durability a major component when I talk about how great

965
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: a player is, which is the one thing that people

966
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: always overlook about Eli Manning, even though they talk about

967
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: his consecutive game streak when they start talking about him

968
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: as a Hall of Fame or they never talk about

969
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: the durability factor. They say, well, look at his look

970
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: at his one loss record. You totally read five. It's

971
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: not good enough to be famer. He don't do any deceptions.

972
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't win the playoff games. Okay, stick it, okay,

973
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: just stick it. That's an accident. I don't need to

974
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: hear again Anthony at Charlestown. He's the next Anthony what's

975
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: called on? Hello fellas he save me? He? Um so

976
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: yeah in Charles. I'm down here in Charleston, South Carolina.

977
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, I just want to talk about the

978
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: defensive scheme. So Schnok. I think he wrote an article

979
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: last year right when uh, when better came in about

980
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: what he would bring to the cable. Yeah. Yeah, and

981
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: in terms of like blitz percentages and the stuff like that,

982
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: right it was not everyone should read it because I

983
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: think it was over of the time he would blitz,

984
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: which is an unbelievable number. And uh, when I saw

985
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: the draft, obviously everyone wanted edge Rusher, but I played

986
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: in like a Virginia textile, you know, colleague system where

987
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: you know you did blitz and you blitz from everywhere.

988
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: Um and so if anyone hasn't this, should go check

989
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: out that article because you know that we have. Yeah,

990
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: if you want to go on Google and just google

991
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: James Betcher and Schmelk. It was actually the first thing

992
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: that popped up. I just did it, and I could

993
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: tell you, Uh, the year before he got to the Giants,

994
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: he was a thirty seven percent. He was over to

995
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: two seasons prior to that, and in two thousand and

996
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: fifteen he blitz forty seven percent of the time. It's

997
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: ridiculous numbers. And so you can run a three three side, right,

998
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: you can run the three four sure that you have

999
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: that opportunity. You have that opportunity. I mean, so it

1000
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: makes sense when you have Lawrence and Tomlinson in the middle,

1001
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: so you push some products pocket up the middle. Then

1002
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: you can run dogs from the outside and the inside.

1003
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: And you like to pressure with your safety I e.

1004
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers right, um, and I've played that same position.

1005
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: It is a fun position to play, okay now. And

1006
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: there's a one component though, and it's the biggest component

1007
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: of all that you're missing in that equation, and that

1008
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: is when you send those guys, they've got to be

1009
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: quick enough and elusive enough to get home, because when

1010
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: they don't, you can send them every play if you

1011
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: want to, and you'll get your lights handed to you.

1012
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: You also need the corners to be able to cover

1013
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: man on man in the back of that too, no question.

1014
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: And and see my problem a lot with what with

1015
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: giants are doing when they sent guys and people would say, well,

1016
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: why isn't bet You're doing what he used to do

1017
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. Well, if you're watched, he didn't have

1018
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: the personnel. And quite frankly, how many times was a

1019
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: giant splitzer either a half a step or a full

1020
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: step late and getting home? Yeah, and I gotta be honest,

1021
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: just not that's not work, gonna work. You watched the

1022
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: Giants defense last year, and I think this goes to

1023
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: your point, Anthony, it did not look like the James

1024
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: Betcher defense we saw it didn't. It didn't didn't, It

1025
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: did not at all. You'll have one on you'll have

1026
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: one one matchup. So if Carter comes off the edge

1027
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: and whoever you have PJ playing, you know the five technique,

1028
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: you'll have one on one matchups with the tackling guard

1029
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: you can stunt from the other side. You also have

1030
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: the safety coming in. I mean, it allows you to

1031
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: be a lot more dynamic. It cuts down the time

1032
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: to throw. And just knowing that when you if you're

1033
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: played quarterback ever and you've got guys coming pretty much

1034
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: at full speed because you're off the line. It's one

1035
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: of the benefits of the three or four outside linebacker

1036
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: you do have a head of steam when you're going

1037
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: and potentially you just need you just need one on

1038
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: one matchup wins. And so they didn't get off though. Yeah, absolutely,

1039
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: Anthony ad percent right. And I appreciate the call man, thanks,

1040
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: like I got two more calls, you appreciate. I want

1041
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: to make sure get everybody else in. But yeah, look,

1042
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: and that's what Betcher said to us last year. And

1043
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: I spoke to him in the preseason and I said,

1044
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, when you try to blitz, and I asked

1045
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: him about the concept of trying to manufacture pressure, and

1046
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: he goes, look, John, when I blitz, if I get

1047
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: a free runner, that's great. My blitzers are designed to

1048
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: set up guys to win one on one, just like

1049
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Anthony talked about. But then the guy's gotta go and

1050
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: he's and he's got to be able to do it.

1051
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: So who's going to be that guy that can win

1052
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: one on one when Betcher's blitz is set up those

1053
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: one on one matchups? That's the question. No, And you know,

1054
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: and then when you do get occasionally and overload with

1055
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: a free guy, he's gotta be quick enough to get there.

1056
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: And and that what I was gonna say, by the way,

1057
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: and by the way, beat the running back. And what

1058
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to add is that there were too many

1059
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: times last year where the Giants actually had a mismatch

1060
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: at the line and you saw the free blitzer was

1061
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: clean and he still didn't get there in time. Yeah,

1062
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, like, yeah, you got you gotta finish,

1063
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: You gotta make the play. And it's okay to beat

1064
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: the tight end or running back like that should be

1065
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: a big defensive advantage if they're sending a tight en

1066
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: or running back to block one of your blitzers. Always

1067
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: not a dB take advantage. Win win, You gotta win eventually.

1068
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,479
Speaker 1: Pat Hermer that this is one of his He doesn't

1069
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: use a lot of cliches, but this is one of

1070
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: them he uses. This is a man beat man type

1071
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: of business. Yeah, that's for sure. You gotta beat the

1072
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: guy in front of That's how you win. Brandon and

1073
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: New Jersey's up next. What's up, Brandon? It's what's up?

1074
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: All right? This this is my first time calling this

1075
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: since the draft. Tackle great, No, I wasn't you know,

1076
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't a big fan of the quarterback situation, but

1077
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: it is what it is. And not understand the fit.

1078
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: My thing is, I feel like now that overall, historically,

1079
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: all these years that everybody was saying that we was

1080
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: going to be good this year, we're hearing a lot

1081
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: that we're not going to be good. Me perfectly, I

1082
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: feel like the Giants played the best when people are

1083
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: against us, and me personally, I feel like Eli Mannitt

1084
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: is gonna have the greatest U season of his career

1085
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: since two thousand and eleven. It's so much. I feel

1086
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: like he's so motivated right now. My question is this

1087
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: is the thing they saying they want thing you Jones

1088
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: ship and weak. Now if Elok comes out and have

1089
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: a good season, a great season, and he's only had

1090
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: one year left on his contract, and they're saying that

1091
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't really trust Gettlement because he's historically his words

1092
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: doesn't add up. Now they're going to do justice and

1093
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: restarting Elo, which I don't think they're gonna do because

1094
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: you saw it, you just you drafted then you in

1095
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: the first round. So you basically saying if even even

1096
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: if Elo played good this season, it's a chance that

1097
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: he still might not even come back. Well, Brandon, I'll

1098
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: say that, and I think There are three components to

1099
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: this equation. The first component is how well does he play?

1100
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: The second component is how many games of the Giants

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00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: win with ELI, and the third component is what is

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00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones showing them in practice. Those are the three components,

1103
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: and they're gonna take those three things and that's how

1104
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna make that decision. There are too many variables

1105
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: to really discuss this right now. I would only say

1106
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: I think the possibilities are really wide open. And another

1107
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: thing I want to add is this, I feel like

1108
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: we need. I feel like the defense is pretty good shape.

1109
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: I feel like the Giants need is gonna wait and

1110
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: to see and pull another pass Russia gonna get released.

1111
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: I believe that we need one more pass Russia. But

1112
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: because I believe we got Marcus Ghoston and Lorezo Carter

1113
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: m x men in the rotation, I believe we need

1114
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: one more pass Russia and I believe the defense should

1115
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: be ready to go. In the right tackle position, Mike

1116
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: win was fulfilling for the Leaps a year until we'll

1117
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: be able to draft uh right tackle next season to

1118
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: hold that spot down each one year. Learned by the

1119
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: way that the team is in overall good shape, and

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00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: they've been counting us out. And I believe that the

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00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: Giants could have of every good solid season, especially how

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00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: to the schedule adds up. I see us going six

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00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: and two in the first half, and overall we could

1124
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: finish at least eleven and five. Eleven and five were

1125
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: close to twelve and four if everything could go correct. Brandon,

1126
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: You're you're asking for a lot. Here's what I will say.

1127
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: There was certainly a lack of proven pass rush on

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00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: this team right now, and I think you would agree, John,

1129
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: there's a lack of there's a lack of proven coverage

1130
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: on the team. To Paul, Yeah, a lot of youngsters

1131
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: back then. I'm not saying they know have the potential,

1132
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: but a lot of youngsters proven no no, no, no no,

1133
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: no no. A lot of youngsters who are gonna immediately

1134
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: be thrown into the deep end of the pool. There's

1135
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But but in terms of Brandon's

1136
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: other comment about Eli having a great season, if Eli

1137
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: has a terrific season and his best since two thousand eleven,

1138
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: it's because this will be the best offensive line he's

1139
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: had since two thousand eleven. I mean, it's really that simple.

1140
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: To a one four, five one three Big Bill Kick

1141
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: Off Live has been presented by corps like Charlie in Portland, Maine.

1142
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: Will wrap us up today, Hi, chuckles, Paul, how are you?

1143
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: Thank you? I hope you had a good vacation. I

1144
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: was only off two days last week, not much of

1145
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: a vacation, but I and my daughter was six, so

1146
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: it really wasn't a vacation. The ear infection stink. Let

1147
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: me just leave it with that. By the way, now,

1148
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: now now you guys have expelled Charlie down, give any kids, right, Charlie,

1149
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: but but but but Paul does the antibiotic she's taken.

1150
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: She's so hyper the last three nights she hasn't fall

1151
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. She falls asleep at seven usually nine o'clock

1152
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: around like a lunatic killing me. That's a little Russian there,

1153
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: you know. Oh my goodness. The other you know. The

1154
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: thing that you could do is you can give me

1155
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: a little tiny bit of melotonin that that will put

1156
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: her to sleep. It's a natural by very little for

1157
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: a little kid. Charlie the pharmacist at it again. I

1158
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

1159
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead, yes, coming back and he's been in the

1160
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: Anica chamber every day for a week and his knees,

1161
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: his legs, his ankles are like astly, you're joking, right, okay,

1162
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: because because I will tell you something, I saw a

1163
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: Keem Knicks recently he stopped buying the facility and he

1164
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: has bulked up. He looks like a tight end by

1165
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: the way. You know he you know he's been going

1166
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: to throw with Eli in the off season, right, Yes, yes, yes,

1167
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: he has. So if if there was anything to that,

1168
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: and I don't think that there is as far as

1169
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: I know, he really had too many injuries over the years.

1170
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: It would be his a tight end because he's bulked

1171
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: up now, I don't see him being Is he really

1172
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: that big? Yes? But then you remember, I bet you,

1173
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: I bet you he lives in North Carolina, right, but

1174
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: that's where he was in school, That's where ELI does

1175
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: a throwing session. That's why probably goes to me he

1176
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: looks more like uh, you know, David Boston than than

1177
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: he does the Keem Knicks. Now, so he's bulked up,

1178
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: good weight, Oh yeah, he's solid now, you know, wouldn't

1179
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: this this isn't this a possibility? You know, we're trying

1180
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: to find they might try to find a spot for Dungee.

1181
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: It was a quarterback, but also, you know a trickster

1182
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of guy. How about having him as the third

1183
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: quarterback on the team Jones and Eli, and then you

1184
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: say that spot and you don't have to get rid

1185
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: of the fullback and you have a third emergency quarterback.

1186
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: I like the idea, Charlie, But here's the glitch. That's

1187
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: actually a fairly good suggestion. It's a terrific idea, Lands

1188
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: and I talked about it last week. Here's the problem.

1189
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer has expressed a strong preference for having a

1190
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: veteran backup that can come off the bench with little

1191
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: or no preparation and still run your offense effectively. He's

1192
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: he's really how many times has he said to us

1193
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: about how much he really values Alex Tanney because of

1194
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: his experience. Well, I'm gonna throw this out there too.

1195
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: I've talked to some people around here and they all

1196
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: to a person rave about ten. He's almost like a

1197
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: virtual quarterbacks coach in the room. And while Eli is

1198
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: getting ready for games and Daniel Jones will be watching

1199
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: him and following him and learning by absorbing what Eli

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01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: is doing. Again, that's not a teacher student relationship. That's

1201
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: a Daniel Jones absorbed what Eli is doing and watch

1202
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: him do his thing. Thank you while that's happening, Alex,

1203
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: Tanny can be more like a teacher student deal with him.

1204
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: Because Tanny's not getting ready to play. Who knows he

1205
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: might even he might be the third quarterback. We don't

1206
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: know how that's even gonna work on game days, if

1207
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: Tanny's going to be active or not. We don't know

1208
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: how that's gonna function yet. But Tanny's the guy who's

1209
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: been around the league. He's very smart, he knows the offense.

1210
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: That's a guy that can almost take a coaching teacher

1211
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: role with the guy like Daniel Jones, more like Eli

1212
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: was to worry about going out there and win football games. Yeah,

1213
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: Tanny truly is more of a player coach, is what

1214
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: you're saying. And I just don't know that Pat Shermer

1215
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: is going to be interested in giving up that spot. Yeah,

1216
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't know whither. It's a good question, Paul, good stuff. Yeah,

1217
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: it was fun today. Tomorrow you're with Feagles, if I'm

1218
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: not mistaken correct, So to tune into that and then Monday,

1219
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: we have our first day of O t as in

1220
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: the Better News O t s are in the morning,

1221
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: so we can actually talk about what happens out on

1222
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: the practice field on a Big Blue kickoff. It's fantastic,

1223
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: So tune into that but again tomorrow noon at the

1224
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: Tino and Fiegeles. And I remind you guys too. By

1225
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: the way, our new podcast, The Giants Huddle has a

1226
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: new episode up. It's an interview with Marcus Golden. Lance

1227
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: Meadow sat down with him one of our fifteen minutes.

1228
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: Talked a lot about his history is passed with football.

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01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: We're covering from the D A c L a couple

1230
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: of years ago, and he basically said at this time

1231
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: last year, I mean he could barely walk around. So

1232
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Speaker 1: he hopes every will bounce back year for the Giants

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01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. For Paul the Tino, I'm John Schmilk again.

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