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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edith state?

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Speaker 1: Is that woo woo and no them and tie? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really see. Welcome back from the long holiday weekend. We

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Speaker 1: have much to discuss here on this last episode of

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Speaker 1: the month of May. My good friend, how goes it?

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Speaker 2: It's good? Are we discussing Dollar Dog Day at American

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Speaker 2: Family Fields in Milwaukee. It was an incredible experience Memorial Day.

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Speaker 2: We got a we had a flyover to Choppers, we

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Speaker 2: I oh yeah it was. I posted this this was

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a college football game, but a baseball game

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Speaker 2: in May when the sun is shining in Milwaukee is

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Speaker 1: Bet it was great, absolutely beautif. Well, well, look wherever it

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Speaker 1: is that you find us today. Hope you had a

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Speaker 1: good holiday weekend. If you were celebrating Memorial Day out

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Speaker 1: Thank you for stopping on back here. This is a

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Speaker 1: But we are back, and yes, there is a lot

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Speaker 1: I will caution our deerverballers. If this business ye administrative

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Speaker 1: type stuff is not for you, either plug your ears

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Speaker 1: or feel free to move about and carry on with

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Speaker 1: your life. But regardless, if you care about college football,

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Speaker 1: if you've been following college football in the media at

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Speaker 1: all over the last week and a half or so,

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Speaker 1: you will note that there are a few interesting points

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Speaker 1: we got to dive in today, we got to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. Where a college football show, Dan, We have

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Speaker 2: We have no choice tie but to keep rolling.

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Speaker 1: We just.

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Speaker 2: We just have to tie. Just like Fred Durst and

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Speaker 2: DMX decided amongst themselves, we have to keep on rolling.

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Speaker 1: We are recording this on Wednesday, the twenty eighth. We've

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Speaker 1: got our board meeting this evening. Yeah, with the folks

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Speaker 1: that want run a board. Yeah, it'll be good. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk some shop, give me some context, ty, let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: I need to save my voice so I'm not gonna scream. Also,

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Speaker 1: I didn't sleep last night. Have you ever had this

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Speaker 2: No, I have never. No, not a lot of fox

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Speaker 2: I've seen foxes around here, but not a lot of

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you, is this just a long con

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Speaker 1: meiking a Fox speaking of Foxes. So the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: By the way, sixteen people might be hearing this, sayway sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things happen quickly in this world. There is a

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Speaker 1: I am certain I'm going to miss some stuff. Feel

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Speaker 2: If you have your own very specific solution to the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would love to hear it. I would

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Speaker 1: those emails? Yeah, not on my cell phone. Okayena dot

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Speaker 1: The overarching theme here is that despite all the change

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Speaker 1: Whatever your biggest fear about this sport is, this topic's

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Speaker 2: Something like that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, something like that. So we just got the twelve.

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Speaker 1: Four to four two two one three. As if this

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Speaker 1: damn sport wasn't complicated enough. That's four automatic bids for

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten in the SEC, two each automatic bids

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Speaker 1: I should say now, and then three at large bids.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Another quirk with this idea that has since come up

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is why I'm saying we need to do this,

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Speaker 2: Give people a second to get their legal pads out, yes,

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Speaker 2: start taking notes, maybe a whiteboard, Maybe have a friend

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Speaker 1: What I am trying as best I can to simplify

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Speaker 1: still clear as mud. Okay, Yeah, they want to add

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there was no such thing as

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Speaker 2: championship week for a conference before. No, that's just a

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Speaker 2: new term you've brought this. There's championship weekend. Championship week

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Speaker 2: is like what happens when you're deciding who's going to

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Speaker 1: Sure, whatever the nomenclature is, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it under this format because they would create playing games. Sure,

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Speaker 1: of inventory that they can sell toward their network partners. Okay,

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Speaker 1: little like a spirit of competition to this. They don't

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Speaker 1: into this whole Rigamar role. Yeah, by have him playing games.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have the number three team and the number

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Speaker 1: This is where we're at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so much better than the BCS. Everybody, so much better.

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Speaker 2: Continue four four two two one three. It's like a

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Speaker 2: really bad soccer tactic. Let's let's keep it sort of

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Speaker 2: chronological the reaction too. And Greg sank hasn't endorsed it,

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Speaker 2: but he said he's intrigued by it something like that.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he's got to play both sides, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what he's getting paid to do.

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Speaker 1: Craig Sankie's not the villain. I don't think Greg Sanki's

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Speaker 1: just doing a job. He's the kind of the figurehead

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Speaker 2: It's once again Tim Cook deciding how to award phone

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: What means should we figure out how to award the

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Speaker 1: Here, I've got some ideas. That's exactly right, thank you. Yeah, So, yes,

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Speaker 2: Well, initially right that there was when it was going

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, right, which would all but guarantee Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: So four four two two one Notre Dame. Well, and

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Speaker 1: I saw our friend Michael Junior had a pretty funny

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Speaker 2: Right the twenty twenty four Bama.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is truly the impetus for all this, and

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Speaker 1: It does seem as though the SEC really wants to

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Speaker 2: Well, and they don't trust the idea. This is great

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Speaker 1: So now, notably we're kicking off the SEC spring meetings.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like is good for this format, or

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Speaker 2: I feel like is you know, shows a lot of

437
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Speaker 2: potential or good for the course. And it's an invitational

438
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: and that's okay, it's fun, it's cool. But like you

439
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: got a call Ryder Cup what it is.

440
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Speaker 1: I think the one thing we can all agree on,

441
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Speaker 1: for those of us who follow college football and golf,

442
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Speaker 1: is that we do not want Zach Johnson picking our

443
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: college football teams for the next tournament. Okay, sure he

444
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: is out. He is not involved in this, thankfully.

445
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Speaker 2: If you happen to be Boise State, or give me

446
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 2: like Adam Scott's from South Africa.

447
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Adam Scott's from Australia.

448
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: Oh he's from Australia. Sorry, Adam Scott, Ryder Cup is

449
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: not happening for you.

450
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: Not happening. Not happened, all right, Yeah, shall we move on.

451
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Greg Sankie talks of the coaches. Apparently

452
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: the coach has come at it from more of a

453
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Speaker 1: competitive standpoint. This does seem to be more of the

454
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Speaker 1: preference among the athletic director class I saw there were

455
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: some quotes from like Trev Alberts and others, Scott Strickland,

456
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Speaker 1: some of the names that we've come to know that

457
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Speaker 1: run athletic departments in the SEC. This is something that

458
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Speaker 1: they would prefer. Yeah. Notably though, as you might expect,

459
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Speaker 1: the ACC, the Big twelve Notre Dame are all vehemently

460
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Speaker 1: opposed to the four four two two one three approach. Right.

461
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: They're more I would add, widely accepted model is what

462
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: we're calling the five plus eleven.

463
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Speaker 2: Model, which has subsequently come out in the last forty

464
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Speaker 2: eight hours.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that has come out in the last forty eight hours.

466
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Speaker 1: It is not unlike what we have now. You get

467
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Speaker 1: the five highest ranked conference champions getting in. The other

468
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Speaker 1: eleven are at large at large bits Now. Greg Sanki,

469
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Speaker 1: for his part, is not necessarily against this one either.

470
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Speaker 1: He has said that it is very much part of

471
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Speaker 1: the conversation open two ideas, open new ideas. His comments

472
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Speaker 1: definitely suggest that he's in favor of a model that

473
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Speaker 1: has some flexibility to it and the issue that the

474
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Speaker 1: SEC seemingly has with the five plus eleven model. Again,

475
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: hopefully you got the legal pads that you can keep

476
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Speaker 1: track all those crap.

477
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Speaker 2: This five plus eleven would be the five highest ranked

478
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Speaker 2: conference champions plus eleven at large.

479
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Speaker 1: Gott it, you got it, beautiful, Okay. His issue is

480
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Speaker 1: how the committee would pick those eleven teams. I'll get

481
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Speaker 1: to this in a second. But of course this would

482
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Speaker 1: per some of their own statements, prevent them from going

483
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Speaker 1: to nine conference games, seemingly because they're afraid of being

484
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Speaker 1: penalized for playing more games against better teams. And also

485
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: it would prevent them from having their little conference week

486
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Speaker 1: of palooza with the play in games. Now they really

487
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: want that for some reason. I don't know where that

488
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Speaker 1: came from. I'm assuming it's a TV inventory thing, but like,

489
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Speaker 1: who is asking for the play in games?

490
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Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, it's inventory. That's like a whole other thing,

491
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: because otherwise you would just have to decide numbers three

492
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: and four via convoluted tiebreakers, which you hit. You did

493
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Speaker 2: hit about seven to twenty six in your explanations of

494
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Speaker 2: the conference tiebreakers. I guess it was the big twelve. One.

495
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Speaker 1: Big twelve is the one that got me. There was

496
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Speaker 1: there was that one, and it didn't end up coming

497
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Speaker 1: to fruition anyway, right right, right, But I was before

498
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Speaker 1: I even knew that there was a website, by the way,

499
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Speaker 1: that tracked all this stuff. I was. I had the

500
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: abacus out, you know, the slide rule. I was figuring

501
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: this out on my own legal pad. I had notes

502
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: and notes and notes on this thing trying to figure

503
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Speaker 1: it out. Huh. I came pretty damn close. Yeah, this

504
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: is what we get when they get rid of divisions.

505
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: But again, another conversation. Sure, anyway back to this whole thing. Yes,

506
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: there are some reservations with the five plus eleven model,

507
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: but that is the preference among the other conferences, and

508
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: seemingly now the other coaches in the SEC, right got

509
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: these two ideas right, you know what I mean? The

510
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: four four are two two, one three versus the five

511
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Speaker 1: plus eleven. Yeah, which brings us to Greg Sankee's comments

512
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: on Monday night, as our good friend Andy Staples from

513
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: over and on three of the Andy and Ari Show said,

514
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: it is the most pissed off he has seen sanky

515
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: in public. Greg Sankie took issue with any accusation that

516
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: the SEC is not acting for the good of the game.

517
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: Dan course, of course, said, hey, we didn't have to

518
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: agree to a twelve team playoff. We would have had

519
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: two of the four in the old model.

520
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Speaker 2: It got real lucky that Texas entered the SEC when

521
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: they did.

522
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Speaker 1: Got real lucky. Yeah, real lucky. Need that new team

523
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: to get in there to get fair enough. We didn't

524
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: have to do this. We did that for the betterment

525
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: of the game. Said that regular season scheduling quote. Regular

526
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: season scheduling is governed by college football playoffs selection. It's

527
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: clear that not losing becomes more important than basically scheduling

528
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: quality opponents.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Greg, which we always have to let the schools

530
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Speaker 2: schedule their own schedule, right, How could you even think

531
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: about centralizing scheduling for the college football season. That would

532
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: be crazy. And like literally every other sport that exists.

533
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Speaker 1: Nobody has ever cracked that nut of centralized scheduling. No,

534
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: no professional league, no, anybody, nobody's ever done that. Yeah.

535
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: And then he also indicated that there is some support

536
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Speaker 1: within his membership, and this was the headline, there was

537
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: some support within his membership to break away from the

538
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: NCAA entirely sure, so that raised eyebrows. Ross Dellinger also

539
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: reported that Big Ten meetings last week, the membership quote

540
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: swung its support for bifurcating Football Governance TLDR breaking away.

541
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Speaker 2: That's I mean that I'm open to listening to that.

542
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, college football is not other college sports in

543
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: the way that it's governed and the way that the

544
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: postseason may or may not work, and it's grown into

545
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: this monstrous, huge national sport. So I in a way

546
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: that college basketball men's and women's has the tournament and

547
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: there are a select number of teams where it's a

548
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: huge deal, but it's not a weekly holiday like college

549
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: football is, and so it is just different, for better

550
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: or worse.

551
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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily opposed to that either. I just don't

552
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: want them running it right. That's my issue with it. Okay,

553
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: I think I got pretty much everything. The reason that

554
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Speaker 1: all of this is coming to a head right now

555
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: is because there is a hard deadline of December first

556
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: because of contracts and agreements and just scheduling. Right. There's

557
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: a lot that needs to be settled by December first

558
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: in order to make sure that everything is set up

559
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: and good to go for future seasons. They have to

560
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: figure out amongst themselves what model they're going to go

561
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: with here on the playoff side of.

562
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: Right, And it's all because the TV deal is up

563
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: for the players, right, That's right.

564
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: So they need to know this. It's out of respect

565
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: for their own scheduling practices. ESPN that their partner in

566
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: this venture with respect to the playoff, they need to know.

567
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: They need to start planning out these things in advance.

568
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: They have a hard deadline of December the first.

569
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Well, then TNT needs to know. Adam Lefko needs to

570
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: make his vacation plans. Everybody's got questions.

571
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Speaker 1: Hopefully they don't send Adam Leftcoe Beaver Stadium again. That

572
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: was brutal. Those guys are.

573
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: Freezing, you know USL they were freezing, But there was

574
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: That was the most new playoff game that we could

575
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: have anticipated, between yes, the weather, between ESPN sub licensing

576
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: that game to a full other network that doesn't ever

577
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: broadcast college football all that level.

578
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: Hold on. That did a pregame show, but no halftime,

579
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Speaker 1: no postgame show, correct, and no pregame show, halftime show

580
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: or postgame show for the second game. Yeah, all they

581
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: had was a pregame show full stop. Then it was

582
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: the rest went to write to ESPN.

583
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they ordered the appetizer the Klamari

584
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: gave him gas and they had to go.

585
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: It just was Kevin Na Gandhi at halftime and then

586
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: moving forward.

587
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he in like a little bit of a Garth move, like, uh,

588
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: it was nice to see. I think that game also

589
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: included like an SMU charter being re routed somewhere and

590
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: Craig James being late for the game or something like that.

591
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: I think it was Craig James and Bryson De'shamba were

592
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: on like a bus coming from Williamsport or something.

593
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Speaker 2: Which sidebar. That was one of my like weird little

594
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: concerns about the expanded playoff and host sites being colleges

595
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: in weird places and having weird airport situations. And I

596
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: use the example of Penn State and it immediately happened

597
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: in year one. Pretty happy about that.

598
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: Batting seven twenty six.

599
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: Hello, yeah, thank you very much anyway, So yes, this

600
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: is all happening now for that specific reason. And Greg Sanki,

601
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: the way I listened to him was that, and I'm

602
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: trying to sort of understand where everybody's coming from before

603
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: really planting a flag about how I feel, because I

604
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: have no idea how I feel, because there's seventeen different

605
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: options that you can attach your field.

606
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: This is like a cheesecake factory menu at this point.

607
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: There are so many different ways you can go at

608
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: this thing.

609
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: And it's all sort of being floated publicly to assess

610
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: how people are feeling about different options and sort of

611
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: gauging response. It seems to me that when you listen

612
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: to Greg Sanki, he is in the middle of a

613
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: vendet between minimizing how villainous he and the SEC appear

614
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: to be to everybody else, while also recognizing that any

615
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: postseason that isn't dominated by SEC presence, that's ce is

616
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: going to be looked down upon by somebody representing somebody

617
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: at one of the member schools or many member schools

618
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: that there is like this country club feel to it

619
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: that any playoff that we are not dominating is not

620
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: a true playoff. And I don't know if it was

621
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: just because there was a single year in which the

622
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: SEC was not the story, and behind the scenes, people

623
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: within the conference and people running schools said, never again

624
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: will there be a playoff in which we don't have

625
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: three of four semi finalists, or we don't have the

626
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of teams, or we're not the story, and

627
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: we got a sample size of one year before. It

628
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: seems the SEC is trying to balance the anti villainy,

629
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: anti feeling left out of the narrative conversation. And that

630
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: was the vibe I got from Greg Sankie, who we've

631
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: seen these past few years. If there's anything anybody related

632
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: to college football doesn't want to be, they don't want

633
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: to be the object of people's fingers for lack of

634
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: a better term. I understand how uncomfortable that made everybody

635
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: odd construction, but I got it, thank you. You don't

636
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: want to be seen as the villain. The Big Ten

637
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: does not want to be seen as the villain. Fox

638
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: Sports and ESPN don't want to be seen as the villains.

639
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: As easy it is to defend the fact that those

640
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: four entities, which are all in bed together, ESPN, Fox,

641
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: the SEC, and the Big Ten are being labeled as villains.

642
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: And so Greg Sankie has taken to explaining himself and

643
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: explaining the SEC and their perspective and where they're coming

644
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: from and why they feel like he even said like

645
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: the automatic qualifying thing could be disadvantageous, that were disadvantaged. Whatever,

646
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: it's a disadvantage potentially for the SEC to limit them

647
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: to four teams. He is right, he is not wrong.

648
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: I went through I looked at I can talk about

649
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: that too, But he's not wrong in that assumption. I mean,

650
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: there is possibility for that. It would have happened last year, actually.

651
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: Right, And that's fine. And the idea though that last

652
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: year is seen is seen as a tragedy for the

653
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: SEC because of how it unfolded. I just think it's

654
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: one year, like we had what ten eleven years of

655
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: a four team playoff to see how it would all

656
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: shake out. We had, however, many years it was like

657
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: ninety eight to twenty thirteen of the BCS. And yes,

658
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: there were various attempts at various postseason options before that,

659
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: with like the Bowl Alliance, but some of them it

660
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: now seems like, you know, ten years of the fourteen

661
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: playoffs seemed like a long time, and it changed the

662
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: way that committee committee's thought about things, and the committee

663
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: members changed every so often. But Greg SANKI up on

664
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: the podium on a certain level. I understand where he's

665
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: coming from, right, who he's representing. Yeah, the points he's

666
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: trying to make, But I just kind of don't think

667
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: he should be a part of the process at all.

668
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Neither should talk like that's that's the problem when you

669
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: decentralize the sport. And I just when he's talking about

670
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: having nine conference games and how that would be better

671
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: for TV, and then talking about not scheduling big time

672
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: non conference games because it would be an easier path

673
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: like the USC model of like these games are too hard,

674
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: I just I don't want to I'd like to hear

675
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: him talk about the nine game thing, and I think

676
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: everybody would want the SEC to go to nine games.

677
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 2: I just I think it was a little bit disingenuous

678
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: talking about how it's so much harder in the SEA

679
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: and we should be given a mulligan for going nine

680
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: to three because it's so much harder, while also accepting

681
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: the money that goes along with being in the SEC.

682
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: Any of these teams could leave because it's too hard

683
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: to get to the postseason from the SEC. I haven't

684
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: heard a lot of stories about teams mulling, you know,

685
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: severing ties with the SEC because there's an easier path

686
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: in the ACC or the Big twelve. And so sure,

687
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: if it's so hard, go to six, go to six games,

688
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: go to five games. So I think we did a

689
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: pretty good job getting the context out of the way. Yeah.

690
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: I mean, so we can take the bubble wrap off

691
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: some of our thoughts here, and I think you're you're

692
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: hitting on something wrap us off hitting on something that's

693
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: definitely a bounce around in my mind.

694
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

695
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: Like I said before, I don't necessarily think Greg Sankey's

696
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: the villain. I think he is an easy one to

697
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: point the fingers at. Greg sank historically has been and

698
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: pretty measured in his responses to things. He's not always

699
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: the first to speak out. He's always available to kind

700
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: of give a take, but he's not necessarily the easiest

701
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: guy to point the fingers at. Just given public comments,

702
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: He's usually been pretty buttoned up in that respect. He does, however,

703
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: and it's coming out I think a little bit more

704
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: obvious now as we get a little deeper into this discussion.

705
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: He does represent a group of people that seemingly are

706
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: really high on their own parts. Sure, of course, like

707
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: we get that it's a tough league, Greg, anyone who

708
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: watches college football would agree that this is a tough league.

709
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's the best collection of good teams

710
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: that we have in the sport. I agree that's not

711
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: even really a take Dan No, but these guys also

712
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: have not shut up about this for twenty years now,

713
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: and the irony is that the toughest league has the

714
00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: biggest cry babies. Actually, okay, I'll be more diplomatic about it.

715
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: The SEC has definitely at this point internalized the idea,

716
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: the old adage that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

717
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, is it the SEC or is it

718
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: SEC media? It's probably a little of both, okay.

719
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: Because they have their own pr wing, they have their

720
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: the state funded media, yes they did.

721
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

722
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: With that as kind of the backdrop, I think it's

723
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: fair to wonder what would actually satisfy these guys. You know,

724
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: they claim, oh, they want to be treated fairly. Well,

725
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: unless the college Football Playoff is all SEC teams, they're

726
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: never going to feel like they're being treated fairly right,

727
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: to which I'd say, you don't need the NCAA. Man,

728
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: If you want to hold your own rodeo, do it.

729
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: You don't need the NCAA for that.

730
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: By the way, the interesting thing is, if we've learned

731
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: anything about these conferences in the way they interact with

732
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: each other and view their own interests right now, we

733
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: have a Big Ten SEC alignment because they each recognize

734
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: that they have grown to a point both in terms

735
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: of the number of teams and their sphere of influence

736
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: that's unmatched in the sport. Also, what we've learned with

737
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: conferences in college football is sometimes they get along and

738
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: sometimes they go their own separate ways and turn their

739
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: backs on previous agreements and acknowledgments. And so I'm not

740
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: so sure that the Big Ten and the SEC are

741
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: going to be holding hands forever.

742
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: The SEC right now is very much of the mind

743
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: that they keep Peter Burns close, but keep the Big

744
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: Ten a little bit closer. Sure, right, let's just make

745
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: sure that we're in lockstep, like we continue this symbiotic

746
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: relationship for our own betterment to some extent, maybe the

747
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: betterment of the system. But everybody is out here trying

748
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: to feed their own mouths. Of course, if you want

749
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: to break away and crown your own champion because you

750
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: think that your brand of football, your cast of character

751
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: is better, stronger, tougher than everybody else, than go for it.

752
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: Literally just one year where they weren't the story in

753
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: the postseason and everything needs to be blown up.

754
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: The solution I think that nobody's talking about is something

755
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: you alluded to at the very top, and you did

756
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: it half jokingly. Okay, but we've been doing this show

757
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: long enough to know that I know each other's rhymes

758
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: and rhythms. You mentioned the BCS. Yeah, why is nobody

759
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: talking about nuking the College Football Selection Committee? Oh?

760
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: You mean keeping the playoff big, but deciding on the

761
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: teams via a mix computer rankings of well, maybe human

762
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: and rankings whatever. Maybe the committee is part of it,

763
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: maybe a select poll. Yeah, you know, there's twelve committee members,

764
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: there's twelve media members, and then there are twelve different

765
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: computer models.

766
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: Why not go back to that.

767
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: I think the pr for computers deciding things was so

768
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: bad in the moments that it would be hard to

769
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: recover from as much sense as it might make.

770
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: It seems that the biggest issue Greg Sank and the

771
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: group that he represents have with the College Football Playoff

772
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: Selection Committee is that it's somewhat opaque how they come

773
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: to their conclusions. We have this show, or we're gonna

774
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: put We're gonna put boom shack a lack of corgan

775
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: in front of a camera and Rhys Davis and Joey

776
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Gallaway and booger mcphar whoever they're gonna yell at him

777
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: for a half hour. Yeah, and you know, he looks

778
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: like a deer in headlights. Nobody gets any answers. He

779
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: contradicts himself because this isn't a perfect there's no perfect system. Right,

780
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: but at least what the computer rankings would give you

781
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: some semblance of is cold, hard, transparent things that you

782
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: can take into account.

783
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and no though, right, Like you have to

784
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: explain to people what computer rankings are, what they weigh,

785
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: why they're so important, why they're so meaningful, Like you

786
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: are making it more convoluted that way.

787
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: Look, they're making this convoluted as is.

788
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: Of course they are.

789
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: We're talking about a four four two two one three model.

790
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, you know that Fibonacci sequence of a

791
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: playoff setup. I would much rather go the route of,

792
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: all right, here's how we're going to reward strength of schedule.

793
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: Here's how we're going to reward conference strength. Here is

794
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: how we can take into account, Yes, you lost to

795
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: a good team, but you're not going to be fully

796
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: submarine by it. Here's how we can take into account,

797
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: Oh you beat that team. Here is what that stands for.

798
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it is some mix, Maybe it's a seventy thirty

799
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: split between the committee and who they would choose to

800
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: put in and the computers and how they're grading out

801
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: a team's performance. But I think if in fact, the

802
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: real issue with using the committee in a five plus

803
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: eleven model whatever is how are we arriving at those

804
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: eleven at large teams? If we can introduce some objectivity

805
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: into it via computer models, that's something we should talk about.

806
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: But it runs count to the power that the Big

807
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: ten and SEC want that they wanted to determine the format,

808
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: and in terms of choosing, they want to determine just how.

809
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: And I guess you can program an algorithm a formula

810
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 2: however you want, and whatever is the most advantageous strength

811
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: of schedule measurer, that's what you include. I don't know.

812
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: I still feel like the computer experiment was a failed

813
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: PR experiment, even if there is validity to its means.

814
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: There's a guy out on Twitter who has been posting

815
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: the BCS rankings every year. Yeah, and I went back

816
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: and I checked them before having this conversation. It's it's

817
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: not that far off, you know, if this were a

818
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: sixteen team model. Obviously Alabama would have gotten into that one.

819
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: But using those computer rankings, it's not like it is

820
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: viewing the sport in an entirely different way. It's pretty

821
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: damn close to what we saw last year.

822
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: No, it is close, and there is appeal to me,

823
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: But I've never been a playoff expansionist.

824
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: What would you do? What would you do? Cause, like,

825
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: in thinking through all of these options, the thought that

826
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: kept bouncing around in my head was just keep it

827
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: at twelve. Like, no one's asking for the playing games,

828
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: No one's asking for more complexity in the sport. Jason

829
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: Kirk who writes.

830
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: Is this, by the way, is this all rooted I'm

831
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: sorry to interrupt, Is this all rooted in Indiana getting in?

832
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: On some level?

833
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: It might be like is that that was the illusion

834
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: from Greg Sankey? And that was like the pain point

835
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: narrative that first weekend.

836
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: They hated that, they hated that so much.

837
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: They hated Indiana schedule. They hated that you were just

838
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: counting losses and not taking context of like, well, actually

839
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: Alabama lust of Vanderbilt Oklahoma last year, Like it was

840
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: that was the I think, like if you look at

841
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: the whole root of everything. The closest thing I can

842
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: find to why people are so upset directly and indirectly

843
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: is Indiana having a nothing non conference schedule and losing

844
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: to the one excellent team on their schedule, beating the

845
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: defending champ in Michigan, for whatever that's worth. That they

846
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: would have the goal to go eleven and one in

847
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: the Big Ten and be seen as or not they

848
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't have the goal, but that people would have the

849
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: goal to look at an eleven to one team and

850
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: thinking like, you've completely removed all the context, their schedule

851
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: is terrible whatever, Whereas Alabama played harder teams but also

852
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: lost to a couple of the more average teams on

853
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: their schedule, and Indiana and the SEC would have gone

854
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 2: seven and five, blah blah blah. But I think that's

855
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: what it's rooted in, which, by the way, sidebar to

856
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 2: the sidebar, the intent of Indiana was not to sneak

857
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: into the playoff. The intent of how they scheduled their

858
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: non conference schedule was to get into the Pinstripe Bowl.

859
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: Maybe if everything breaks right, that's right, we can use

860
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: this schedule and also sidebar to the sidebar to the sidebar.

861
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: This was the first year Indiana did not have to

862
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: play a BIT ten East schedule. So every other year

863
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: they're playing Michigan and Ohio State and Penn State and

864
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: Michigan State, and like an impossible schedule for not having

865
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: the roster to compete in that specific division. They finally

866
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: get out of that division, which always penciled in four

867
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: or five losses onto their schedule, and they have a

868
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: good team and they win a bunch of games, and

869
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: we have to blow up the entire systems bought up

870
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: now because Indiana went eleven and one against their schedule

871
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: and kept Alabama out. And you always talked about how, like,

872
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: you know, you'd much rather have a system where we're

873
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: arguing about number thirteen, or we're arguing about number fifteen,

874
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: or arguing about number seventeen. It turns out when you

875
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: argue about number fifteen, you're not actually arguing about the team.

876
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: You're arguing about the rulers with which conferences measure themselves.

877
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: Yes, another lesson, Lord, back to what I was saying here,

878
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: we go back to this second. No, it's cool, I said,

879
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: No one's asking for playing games. No one's really asking

880
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: for more complexity. If it were up to me, I'd

881
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: keep it at twelve. Finally got one year of it.

882
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: Let's not change it. I mean, if you want to

883
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: go to fourteen but keep the same model, fine. It's

884
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: some of these guys. I bring up Jason and the

885
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: newsletter that he writes for the Athletic does a great job.

886
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: In his newsletter, he said, can we please just pick

887
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: something and stick with it for a little bit. Yeah,

888
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: told me you could just pick something and stick with it. No.

889
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean that's the sort of point of saying, like

890
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: you had ten years of this, twelve years of that,

891
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: fifteen years, and like you see the unexpectedly good things

892
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: that can come of it, and you may expect it. Right,

893
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: you make it better.

894
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: They just fixed the seating problem. That was something that

895
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: I think we learned very quickly. They just fixed that.

896
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: Now they're doing the straight seating, which we talked about.

897
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep it at that.

898
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: This is fine. This is what I would do, all

899
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: right currently. I would just keep it the way it

900
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: is for a little bit longer. Let's live with it.

901
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: Let's see what other tweaks we can make down the

902
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: road to make it better. Let's give ourselves the flexibility.

903
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: If there need to be improvements on the fly, like

904
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: with this seating, that we can do that, let's revisit.

905
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: But I kind of like where it ended up. I'm

906
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: okay with that. This is my long witted way of

907
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: asking you what you would do. What would you do

908
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: after one year of the playoff? Now some of these

909
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: other proposals are out there, is there one of these

910
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: other options that does it more for you? Like? Where

911
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: where are you at? So?

912
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: Conference championships don't do much for me anymore? And if

913
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: we're going to keep asking teams to play more and

914
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: more games, like I'm not a TV executive, so I

915
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: don't care about selling provastic inventory tie and so they

916
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: switched those samples.

917
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: I gotta get that sound.

918
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: I would if we have to go to sixteen teams,

919
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: just rank one through sixteen after the season and give

920
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: everybody a week off and then start playing the playoff.

921
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 2: And if you want to include a G five team,

922
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. If you want to say it's

923
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: the five highest ranked teams, you know that the five

924
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: plus eleven. I'd get rid of conference championship. I'd get

925
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: rid of all of the like play in garbage. I

926
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: just don't think the sport is advantaged by making it

927
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: more complicated. I think if you are married to the

928
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: number of teams in the playoff being sixteen, then everybody

929
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: plays twelve games. Everybody has a nine game conference schedule.

930
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: You reward teams for scheduling. If we're still gonna have

931
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: decentralized everybody scheduling on their own, you reward teams for

932
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: scheduling up. You take that into account. You can rank

933
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 2: a team that goes ten and two above a team

934
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: that goes twelve to zero or eleven and one, and

935
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: you have enough people voting that. If enough people feel

936
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: that way, great cool, and you go from there. You

937
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: go like, I just have no interest in Like, Okay,

938
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: this team has just played twelve games. Everybody's played twelve games.

939
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: Now we need to see Oregon play Penn State. Are

940
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: they both playoff teams? They're both playoff teams. Did one

941
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: of them go undefeated and should be ranked higher than

942
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: the other team? Yes, So what do we need? What

943
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: do we need to prove with conference championship games at

944
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: this point? If we're divisionless across the board basically in

945
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: this sport, I would just ditch that rank sixteen teams,

946
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: bump one team out if there's a G five team

947
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: who is ranked outside of the top sixteen. Just I

948
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: think there is value in including as many different regions

949
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: and levels of this sport as possible in the playoff.

950
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: And if you know number nineteen San Diego State gets

951
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: in instead of number sixteen TCU or Missouri or something,

952
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 2: that's okay. Because Ty Hildenbrand said he'd rather argue about

953
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: number sixteen, I would. I would, and that's fine, And

954
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong in saying I would. In

955
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: my ideal world, I think there's value if we are

956
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 2: saying this is a competition to see who can win

957
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: a national championship. I don't understand why you would go.

958
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: Past six teams, six teams not sixteen.

959
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: I think there is if you look at the history

960
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: of the sport. I think there is value in saying

961
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: there are not more than a handful of teams who

962
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: legitimately have the depth and top level talent to win

963
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: a number of games in late December early January to

964
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: win the national championship, and that we are expanding this

965
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: and upon expanding it, and we're just sort of further

966
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: rewarding and still getting the result that we're always going

967
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: to get because we can sell more provastic ads and

968
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: those games. Those however, many games, what are you gonna

969
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: win three games? You're gonna have two teams have a

970
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: buye and then four teams play the first week, and

971
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: then the two teams who have the bye play those

972
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: two winners. It's better to have fewer games because of

973
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: the excitement of the sport. It's better to have this

974
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: sport end in as early January as humanly possible, because

975
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: you want to capitalize on your window. What is the

976
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: NFL doing. The NFL does not care about the college

977
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: football Playoff, not at all. They will schedule a fifth

978
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl on the day of Michigan Ohio State if

979
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: they could, right. That doesn't matter. So you need to

980
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: limit how many times you can get beat down. You're

981
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: diluting the appeal of the sport, all in the name

982
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: of selling ads proassic. I would just never think to

983
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: go past six teams if I want to find a

984
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: national championship, have a little bit of scarcity so that

985
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: everybody's tuning into the same thing with the same interest

986
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 2: and not just doing things because how cool would it

987
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: be to have Penn State SMU and to have Texas Clemson,

988
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: and just like for the sake of it being cool,

989
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: sure it makes sense for the sake of finding a

990
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: national champion, for the sake of how I enjoy the

991
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: rhythm of the sport, I just want to be done

992
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: in early January. I think it's more fun to have

993
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: more huge games instead of more pretty big games.

994
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: We've done this show a long time, and the people

995
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: who have listened for a while, or even just for

996
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: a week, people will know I'm not a takesman, and

997
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm not especially prone to getting emotional or upset about

998
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: anything that happens in this world, because on some level

999
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: it's all very silly. Again, nobody's in charge. The idea

1000
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: of the big ten in the SEC turning the playoff

1001
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: into some kind of sham tournament absolutely enraged me when

1002
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: I heard about this. It enraged me to no end,

1003
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: Like I go back fifteen years of wanting a sixteen

1004
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: team playoff. I've talked about it often here on this show.

1005
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: The old Dan Wetson model, where every conference champ gets in.

1006
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: There are a few at large teams sort of like

1007
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: the NCAA basketball tournament, but smaller obviously much smaller. My

1008
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: thought was always that if they are all playing in

1009
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: the same division, if we are going to continue this charade,

1010
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: then everybody should have a shot at the same trophy.

1011
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an illogical conclusion.

1012
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: Dan, It's just not the world in which we live.

1013
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: That possibility I think officially flatlined when things became more

1014
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: about finding TV money and less about finding an actual champion. Sure,

1015
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: so we finally get one year of twelve, already trying

1016
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: to turn it into a showcase event for TV. As

1017
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: you've said time and again, if it were up to me, yeah,

1018
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: I'd keep it at twelve, just keep it where it's at,

1019
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: because no one's asking for these other things. But then, okay,

1020
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: they want to go to fourteen. Now apparently to sixteen,

1021
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: not because anything's broken, but because enough power conference teams

1022
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: are just not getting a piece that sweet sweet cache.

1023
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: Or their piece isn't big enough and or it's not

1024
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: big enough look and look. Athletic budgets are changing because

1025
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: of revenue sharing, and so you are looking under as

1026
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: many couch cushions as possible to balance your athletic department

1027
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: budget and to put away as much as you can

1028
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 2: for a rainy day, And I understand why college football

1029
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: is seen as a cash grab given the evolution of

1030
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: the sports finances. I get it.

1031
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: If they are going to go to sixteen, yeah, then

1032
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm on board with the five plus eleven model. Some

1033
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: tweaks maybe to how the committee picks teams to keep

1034
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: everybody satisfied, and incorporate some modicum of computer formulas to

1035
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: make it more objective or seemingly more objective. I'm okay

1036
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: with that too. Look the way that they decide teams,

1037
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, it's been opaque. Often, it's a

1038
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: moving target. Often, whatever sacrificial lamb they put in front

1039
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: of the camera contradicts himself herself. In the same sentence,

1040
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: it's an impossible situation to be in. I hate that.

1041
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't get anything out of that. I don't even

1042
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: watch the damn Show on Tuesdays. Stupid. Find some way

1043
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: to make it a little bit more objective, transparent. I

1044
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: think everybody would agree that that's a better approach to

1045
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: picking these teams. But do not do the thing where

1046
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: suddenly it's going to be this invitational. I hate that.

1047
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: I do too.

1048
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: Drives me absolutely crazy.

1049
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it sucks so much of the competitive

1050
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: fun out of this that places are being held, like

1051
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: the country clubification of the college football Playoff. It's just

1052
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: the reason college football has appealed to me is how

1053
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: cool and unique it is and complicating and holding spots.

1054
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just is about as uncool and

1055
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: velvet ropeie as it gets. And I don't know, it

1056
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 2: just doesn't have a feel to me that I'm on

1057
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: board with. And I mean, look, we can bring this

1058
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: full circle too with like USC Notre Dame. Like the

1059
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 2: USC mouthpieces are out saying like, well things have changed,

1060
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: we don't need an I think it was Colin Cowherd

1061
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: who said, like two schools, two different needs. You know,

1062
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: the game grows and Lincoln Riley isn't so sure why this.

1063
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's a great tradition, but like and then

1064
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: I saw who else did I see? Like Petros Papadaccas

1065
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: saying like who is Lincoln Riley and the grand scheme

1066
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: of things? What does he know? I love all of this.

1067
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any way call me cynical time.

1068
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anyway USC a school name me

1069
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: a school that has been more dictated by conference television

1070
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: these last few years, like they're basically an affiliate of Fox.

1071
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: At this point, you think Fox and NBC and CBS

1072
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: are going to let USC walk away from having Notre

1073
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: Dame on their air. You think that's ever going to happen.

1074
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Lincoln Riley may want it to happen, but

1075
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: that's sort of further underscores like USC hasn't played a

1076
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: meaningful postseason game and how long, you know, fifteen years,

1077
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: seventeen years, something like that. It's not all because USC

1078
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: wants to win a national championship. It's because Notre Dame,

1079
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: as a good team, if not a great team, is

1080
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: a roadblock in front of USC, preventing USC for recapturing

1081
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: its perceived status as being a playoff team, as being

1082
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: in the club, being behind the velvet ropes. Because if

1083
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: it were just competitive and if it were just for

1084
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: fun whatever, like of course USC is going to play

1085
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Notre Dame is in the way because now

1086
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: it's harder in the Big Ten for USC to go

1087
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: ten and two. It's a tougher schedule than it was

1088
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: in the Pac twelve, and so having Notre Dame on

1089
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: top of it makes it more difficult for USC to

1090
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: finish in the top fifteen, sixteen, fourteen or whatever. And

1091
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: it's totally status. It's totally status. USC doesn't have a roster,

1092
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: they won't have a roster anytime soon to compete with Georgia,

1093
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: Ohio State or Texas or whatever. No, it is just

1094
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: how do we get to this point that we see

1095
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: ourselves as once again. And that's the whole that's the

1096
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: whole idea of the playoff, that's the whole idea of

1097
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: all these teams is you want to be in the

1098
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: INN group. And USC, by the way, the last time

1099
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: USC was in the INN group, their most memorable win,

1100
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: Ty Hildenbrandt was there.

1101
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: I was there.

1102
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: US was in the INN group because they had the

1103
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: goal to go to South Bend with the cowards at

1104
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: Notre Dame growing the grass long to try and stop

1105
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: Regis Bush.

1106
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Dude, it was so long you could see. I was

1107
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: in like one of the last rows of the stadium.

1108
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: You could see it from back there. And I joke

1109
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: with my friend who was a USC fan, like, did

1110
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: they forget to mow the lawn? They didn't forget. They

1111
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: did that on purpose, and USC won the game. They

1112
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: won the game.

1113
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: USC mede big play after big play. Notre Dame couldn't

1114
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: stop the most basic college football football play. And that's okay.

1115
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: It happens. And USC took that huge stage in vaulted

1116
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: themselves once again into an even bigger stage. And I

1117
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: just think the idea of like shying away from competition.

1118
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: First of all, it's antithetical to USC, wasn't it. Pete

1119
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: Carroll always compete, Always compete, Yeah, always competed. I guess

1120
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: it's just man, win games, play good teams, measure yourself

1121
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: against the best. See what happens. If you're left out,

1122
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: it's probably with good reason because going eight and four

1123
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: or something nine to three, depending on who you lose

1124
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: to which it should be part of it? It should

1125
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: be it's not good enough, and that's okay. Maybe it's

1126
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: just not your year. But God trying to change the

1127
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: rules and hold spots it feels gross. Man.

1128
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know where I stand in this.

1129
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 1: Notre Dame should play USC. Of course, Not Dame should

1130
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: play USC every year. It's one of those games that

1131
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: always gives me adjita. I'm always a little worried about it.

1132
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: But it's the Battle for the Jewels.

1133
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: Shalelah, don't join the Big ten if you're scared of

1134
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: harder games.

1135
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: Let me give some voice to this because it's it's

1136
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: one of the other things that I saw online and

1137
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: it's sort of been stuck in my craw ever since.

1138
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: There is an idea floating around that basically hand waves

1139
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: any of these changes or any of the alarmist reaction,

1140
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: let's say, to changes, because look, Saturdays are indestructible. They're

1141
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna watch anyway, you know, right, which I'd say is

1142
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: partially true, Like we had.

1143
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: To watch your team.

1144
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we had this question a couple weeks ago

1145
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: on one of our recent Q and A episodes. Somebody

1146
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: asks us that how what would it take for you

1147
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: to stop watching on Saturdays? And our answer was basically like,

1148
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch regardless. We do this full time. Yeah,

1149
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: but I can't even count how many messages we have

1150
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: gotten over the last year of people who feel very differently,

1151
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: very differently. And you know, I was thinking about this

1152
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: a little bit this weekend, Like I often think back

1153
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: to my previous life working in corporate America, you know,

1154
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: and the two things that I learned in that role

1155
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: because I did a little bit of marketing and branding

1156
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: along with all the boring digital stuff. But like, one,

1157
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: you got to understand your killer feature and two, you

1158
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: can't take anyone's loyalty for granted, like there are limits

1159
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: to that.

1160
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: By the way, catching people up that don't know about

1161
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: Ty's previous life. Ty used to be the secretary for

1162
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: the Department of the Interior, of course, of course, so

1163
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: that he balanced that with this I did, like kudos,

1164
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: I did.

1165
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: I did. But like all, we all watch sports because

1166
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: we enjoy seeing athletic people do incredible things. But like

1167
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: college football, the killer feature for college football is your

1168
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: emotional attachment to it. The brand of college football has

1169
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: been that intrinsic value for like a century, whether to

1170
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: a team, to a player, a region, a rivalry, the

1171
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: freaking sunset at the Rose Bowl. I don't know. We

1172
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: have seen so much change over the last couple of years.

1173
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: The players, the teams they play for, the conferences they

1174
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: play in, even the sunset, all of these things have

1175
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: been tweaked. They are pushing the limits of what people

1176
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: feel loyalty to. Sure, and we've got the receipts of

1177
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: the people who have written in you're just simply out

1178
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: of touch if you don't think on some level that

1179
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: this is wearing people down or turning people off. People

1180
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: on our beat, like theational college football beat, I think

1181
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: we're especially vulnerable to it. We may not always recognize

1182
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: it in the moment because we see these things as

1183
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: an opportunity to create the content to talk about That's

1184
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: what people are interested in it because they care about

1185
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: this sport bigger picture. If there is a change in

1186
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: fan sentiment, they tend to tune it out entirely. We

1187
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: had a guy writ in yesterday and say, hey, I

1188
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: love what you guys do. I stopped listening to the

1189
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: pod last year. It was just a little much for

1190
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: me because of all the changes. Now I've got a

1191
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: million of those. They either tune out entirely or they

1192
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: tend to collapse back into their individual team sites and

1193
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: message boards. And that's actually not good for us.

1194
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: No, not necessarily.

1195
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: That is how people react to these types of things.

1196
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: I saw that floating around and it's, you know, just

1197
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: the idea of it, not the people talking about it,

1198
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: but the idea of it is something that I shudder

1199
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: at because I just I fundamentally disagree with that notion, Yes,

1200
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: people will still watch on Saturdays. But if you start

1201
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: grinding away at the emotional attachment to the sport via

1202
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:09,479
Speaker 1: the playoff, via rivalries like USC Notre Dame, cumulatively over

1203
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: the span of many years, that has a lasting impact

1204
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: that we should not just pan and forget about and say, ah, yeah,

1205
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter in the grand.

1206
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: Split of things. Yeah, you're not going to grow forever.

1207
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: People aren't loyal forever if you keep changing the product,

1208
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: if you keep tinkering, if you keep tweaking, if you

1209
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: present new reasons to evaluate teams or conferences as villainous,

1210
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: if you give reasons to people to tune out, or

1211
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: like Honestly, fandom is a spectrum that you can go from.

1212
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: I watch all day. I am a season ticket holder.

1213
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: I pay for you know, the parking passes I pay

1214
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: to be a member of, like the Arkansas rival site

1215
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 2: to you know, I buy all this merch, I throw

1216
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: all these watch parties, like I travel to the Bowl game,

1217
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: like you know, you vote with your wallet and you

1218
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: can go from Okay, now I do eight of those

1219
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: ten things. Now I do four of those ten things.

1220
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: Now I go to one game a year. I used

1221
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: to watch games from eleven am until one am. Now

1222
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: I watch my team and maybe a big game, and

1223
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: now like, oh, I watch my team, and then like,

1224
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch some of the big game at

1225
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: a bar because so and so is having a bachelor

1226
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: party and it's that weekend, and I'd rather go to

1227
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: Nashville than stay home in San Jose and watch this game.

1228
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: And I'll watch I'll catch some of it in a bar.

1229
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: Or instead of staying home and watching the game with friends,

1230
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: I'll watch a little bit of the game on my

1231
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: phone on YouTube TV while I'm at a kid's soccer game. Like,

1232
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: fandom is a spectrum, and if you give people reasons

1233
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: to pull back on their fandom or become more a

1234
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: la carte with their fandom, bottom lines are going to

1235
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: be hit. And so if you give people those reasons

1236
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: or those options or those emotions, they're going to take them.

1237
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways that you can occupy yourself

1238
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: on a Saturday, especially if you're working forty hours a

1239
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: week sure, nine to five, the grind of the office,

1240
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: sitting in a cubicle, or you know out there on

1241
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,479
Speaker 1: the road, you got people listening to us on the road.

1242
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there are more than enough ways that you

1243
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: can keep yourself occupied when you're not at the office.

1244
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: Are game day ratings up in the last ten twelve years. Maybe,

1245
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1246
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 1: Since they went to maybe an hour telecast in the morning,

1247
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: I can't imagine they are. But what do I know?

1248
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: What are you consuming? You know? And look, lives change

1249
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: and people get older and whatever. But where's your enthusiasm

1250
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: with the sport right now compared to where it was?

1251
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: And you hope it's the same, You hope it's grown.

1252
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: But if you give people reasons to see aspects of

1253
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: the sport as villainous, it likely won't turn out the

1254
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: way you're hoping.

1255
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: You just you can't handwave it. I don't know, No,

1256
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a mistake. And again, we're

1257
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: not telling people to tune out. I think the problem

1258
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: for us is that we care too much about it.

1259
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: We just want the main thing to be the main thing.

1260
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: We are doing our part here to keep you up

1261
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: to speed with what's going on, and there is a lot.

1262
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, and I suspect from again

1263
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: the emails that we have gotten over the last couple

1264
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: of years, There'll be a lot of folks out there,

1265
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: a vocal perhaps majority at this point of arverballer hood

1266
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't like what they're being force fed here, and

1267
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: it would be wise of Greg Sank and Tony Pettiti

1268
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: and ESPN and Fox and whoever else, it'd be wise

1269
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: to them to take notice and not fly too close

1270
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: to the sun with this, because this is something a

1271
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: lot of people care a lot about and have voted

1272
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: for in the past with their wallets.

1273
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: By the way, do some market research. Talk to your constituents,

1274
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: see why they're interested. Talk to the people now, Go

1275
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: amongst college football fans across the country, in your region,

1276
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: it's near your region, across the you know, the great

1277
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: land of ours, and see what the appeal point is

1278
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: and how do you maximize that. It's not all about you, It's.

1279
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: Just not We've done live shows, by the way, We've

1280
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: done live shows, We've done live chats with our people.

1281
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: One of the reasons we're still here doing this is

1282
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: because I think we have a pretty good sense for

1283
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: where the college football was customer service, Yeah, where the

1284
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: reballer hood is at.

1285
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 2: Because what happens ty when you keep tinkering. I'm going

1286
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: to bring this another full circle moment. When you keep tinkering, Ty,

1287
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: I'm a tinkerer, You're a tinkerer. You end up screwing

1288
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 2: things up more than ever. And I obviously thought of

1289
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: the Seinfeld episode where Jerry keeps shaving just a little

1290
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: bit of his chest hair and then it's just gone

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Speaker 2: and he's crazy, itchy.

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Speaker 1: And he's got the chest of bees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't overtinker. That's all again.

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Speaker 1: I bring this full circle by saying, we would your turn,

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Speaker 1: we would on that chest of bees. Note yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would encourage people to write in solverbod gmail dot com,

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Speaker 1: hit us up on social media, YouTube comments, Spotify comments, wherever.

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Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts on this. Are we off base?

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Speaker 1: Are we on point? How would you solve the playoff

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Speaker 1: conundrum that it seems we find ourselves in. Should some

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Speaker 1: of these leagues break off entirely and start their own thing.

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Speaker 1: We didn't even get to private equity, which is a

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Speaker 1: whole other conversation. Apparently all of the conferences are entertaining

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Speaker 1: those ideas. We've already gone over an hour here. Let's

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Speaker 1: make that a conversation for another day. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to depress people too much talking about all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But alas there's a lot of meat on the bone.

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Speaker 1: As I said at the beginning of this episode, we

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Speaker 1: would encourage you to weigh in and let us know

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. If you made it this far, please do

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Speaker 1: hit follow or subscribe so that you don't miss any

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Speaker 1: of what's coming next. As we turn the corner now

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Speaker 1: into June, we can start flowing a little bit more

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Speaker 1: downhill towards the twenty twenty five season. Once we get

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Speaker 1: into July, we'll talk about teams, we'll talk about schedules,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about predictions, we'll talk about fully anything other

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Speaker 1: than this. But we had to get this one out

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Speaker 1: of the way. We just had to. It's what everyone's

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Speaker 1: talking about. Why don't we leave it here? Good discussion today,

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed it. For that guy over there, my

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Speaker 1: good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildea Brand, thank

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Speaker 1: you as always for your ongoing support. We will talk

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Speaker 1: to you all next week. As always, stay solid, peace,