WEBVTT - BOMBSHELL: STATE V. D4VD AKA DAVID ANTHONY BURKE 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:10.840 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking news bombshell State versus 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:15.680 D four v D aka David Anthony Burke as it 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.840 relates to the death of a little teen girl, Celeste Rivas, 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.599 found in the trunk of D four VD David Anthony 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:29.680 Burke's tesla. What's taking so long? But now we have 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:36.600 seen a court document that says State versus David Anthony Burke. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.760 You know about that secret grand jury proceeding that was 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:45.040 just an investigative tool looking into the death of Celestia Revas. No, 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:52.600 David Anthony Burke is named as the official defendant. Good evening, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.240 I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.760 thank you for being with us, joining us an all 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.480 star panel to make sense of what we are learning 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.920 right now. But I've got it in front of me. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.600 Dave Mac explain what we found. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.040 Well, when you look at this at the documentation from 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:13.360 the State of California, Nancy, it it flat out says 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.360 something that we've long thought was the case. But it 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:22.400 actually the bombshell the people of the State of California 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.959 versus David Anthony Burke. See, we thought, you know, it 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.040 was just an investigation, because that's what they said an 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:36.280 investigation into the death of Celestrevas Sernandez. However, this document 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.399 proves beyond the shadow of a doubt legal paperwork that 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.200 says the State of California versus David Anthony Burke. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.360 Now, what's interesting in this particular court document and what 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.320 it is is an appeal to the Court of Appeals. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:56.600 They're in Texas. The reason it's in Texas is because 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.200 his family, Burke's family is a Texas and they are 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.160 appealing a subpoena to come to the grand jury. Now, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.320 the title of that document is in the Court of 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:13.600 Appeals for the First District of Texas in Ray Dowod Burke. Okay, 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:17.240 what does that mean in the matter of Dowd Burke. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:23.640 But in a footnote, in a footnote in this document 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:30.200 you see the people of the State of California versus 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:35.440 David Burke. Okay, I'm going to get back to everything 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.600 else we are learning, but I'm going to go straight 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.160 out to a veteran trial lawyer, Joanna Nievis is joining 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.519 us from California criminal defense attorney and founder of the 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.359 Nievis Law Firm. Joanna, thank you for being with us. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.040 So this is what's happening to my understanding, and you 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:57.280 jump in. Joanna, the family of d four med David 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.920 Anthony Burke pronounced as David, has been subpoenaed, the whole 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.280 family to testify in a grand jury proceeding regarding the 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.400 death of Celesta Rivas, the little girl found in Burke's trunk. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.240 Let's see that tesla. It was part in spot to 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:18.160 spot to spot on Pass Street there in California until 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.680 it was finally toad at the behest of one of 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:25.440 the homeowners days sitting at the toe lot and it 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:31.680 started a stench. Why because Celesto Rivas was decomposing in 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:36.320 the trunk. We were told there is an investigative grand 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.080 jury the US. I believe you will agree with me 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.400 that grand juries have two tools, one a charging tool 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.200 to indict people and one an investigation tool. For instance, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.840 in the John Binney Ramsey case. In the Ramsey case, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.400 the grand jury met and they met, and they met, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:57.880 and they met investigating John Benet's death. They ultimately did 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.280 issue an indictment, but that case was prosecuted. So a 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.320 grand jury can meet to investigate. They have subpoena power. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.960 They can bring in witnesses or they can charge. We 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.400 were told this was an investigation into Celeste's death. Now 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.520 we have an official court document filed by the parents 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.359 contesting them having to come from Texas to California to 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:26.000 textify in state the David Anthony Burke, So a case 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:32.960 against him, a case investigating him does exist, explain what's happening, Joanna. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.680 Right, Nancy, So, I do believe that it does outline 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.240 what the target of this investigation is. It's not just 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:43.640 trying to uncover who it may be and get more information. Obviously, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.440 they're trying to focus their energies on identifying and criminating 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.320 information against this particular person that's named in the footnote 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.760 they're in the charging document. Assuming that that was cited properly, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.040 I would guess that they took that from the grand 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:03.400 juries of pena that was perceived. The filing itself, I 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.880 think is kind of more procedural. Right, they're in Texas, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.159 this is happening in California, and it's their attempt to say, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.480 you know what, I don't really feel like California can 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.560 drag me over there based on this subpoena, and I 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.800 want a court to say that, yes, absolutely, you have 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.000 to you have the authority to make me come and testify. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.400 So I think it's kind of like one of those 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.240 procedural things where you're contesting the validity of a confidential informant, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.919 or you're contesting the validity of a warrant or the 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.039 validity of a search. They're really just saying, hey, just 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.440 make sure that you really do have the arms reached 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.599 to make me come from Texas to California. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:44.560 Here specifically what they are arguing it is de Woodburg, 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:49.560 the father Dave four Fidi's mother Colleen, and his brother Caleb, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.640 all summoned to testify at a California grand jury. Now 0:05:54.760 --> 0:06:01.039 they are contesting that, claiming they're right have been violated. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:06.800 Why do they claim their rights were violated? They claim 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:12.080 that they were given redacted versions of affidavits that were 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:21.120 used in the court order summoning them to be witnesses. Okay, really, Celeste, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:26.400 a little girl, a teen girl decomposing, and their sons Tesla, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:34.480 and they're claiming their rights were violated silent tear because 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:39.920 the affidavits supporting that warrant, that subpoena for them had 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:44.600 a name redacted. That's the leg they're standing on. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:50.080 Good luck, I think we see this pretty often though, like, hey, you, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.520 there are rules that you have to follow, there is 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.400 information that we need, give me proper notice. That's the 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.680 basis of so many arguments when I even when I 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.839 just mentioned like a confidential informant, I'm that kind of 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.800 objection to the information is based on not being able 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.920 to see what was in the affidavit that was drafted 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.680 by the police officer, or even when contesting a search worm. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.360 We see this pretty often, so I don't think that 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.200 they are making absurd arguments. I do think they're just 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.960 trying to protect their interests and of course the interests 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.520 of their son at this point, because he's still innocent 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:24.560 until proven guilty. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.880 I was waiting for you to say that. But this 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.080 is not an adjudication of guilt or innocence. This is 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.520 telling a witness you must come to the grand jury. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.120 And yes, notice must be proper. In other words, they 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.240 have to be served with subpoena properly. There has to 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.800 be a date, a location, the name of the matter 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:48.400 to which they will testify. But the fact that names 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:53.000 have been redacted in the affidavit. They don't even have 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:58.640 to see an affidavit, all right, but they do have 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:03.360 an affidavit to support the subpoena. The fact that they 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.760 got noticed correctly, there is the name of the matter 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.720 to which they will end up testifying to. That's what 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:17.800 they need. It was registered, it was certified. Bam. They 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.560 don't need to know the state's case, and they don't 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.240 need to know sensitive information such as names that are 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.320 in the affidavit that is not required under the law. Yes, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.800 you're right, they have to have noticed. Yes, you're right. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.400 They have to know what the matter is on which 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:38.920 they will testify. But that's it. So they don't have 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.199 a leg to stand on. But I'm very curious. Let's 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:48.079 talk about privilege such as attorney client privilege. I'm sure 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.680 that your clients speak very openly with you. They may 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.600 even confess they may prejudice themselves in front of you, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.400 because you're their trusted lawyer, and your duty is or 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.480 you will be disbarred if you violate the attorney client privilege. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.880 Right the rest of your life, you may not speak 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.400 of it. That's the duty of a lawyer. I have 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:14.559 the same duty. So you've got the attorney client privilege, 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.400 You've got priests, parishioner privilege such as what you tell 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:24.160 to your preacher, your priest, your religious counselor your rabbi. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.800 That cannot be forced in court. The rabbi, the priest 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.560 cannot be forced to divulge what the defendant said. You've 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:38.079 got husband wife privilege. There are several privileges, but he's 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.000 my daddy. Ain't one of them. Neevice, no, for sure. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.760 But you know, I do think there's a word that 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:50.520 David's dad does have some type of affiliation with the church, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.320 and I do wonder whether or not he may take 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:59.280 some stand that his son to just say him from 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.079 that perspective, I. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.280 Thought you were going to hit me with the fact 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.199 that his father's a lawyer, so he could try to 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.600 use turning client privilege. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:08.560 His dad is a lawyer. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.720 But you're going he has an affiliation with the church. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.440 What affiliation would that be? He drives by it on 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:15.720 Sunday mornings, you know. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.800 And here all of this is all reported, right, it's 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.160 reported that he's some type of reverend with the church. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.200 Okay, you know what, There's a reason you win so 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:33.920 many cases. See, she's smart, she's articulate, and she says 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.920 things like that, and you almost believe it. He has 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:42.960 some affiliation with a church. You just said that. Okay, 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.400 So you're going from the angle that it is a 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.240 pre parishioner privilege. Is that correct? 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.280 It's an angle. I don't know that they're really actually 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.440 going to to go with it, but maybe some of 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.280 the conversations that have happened, if there really is this 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.280 sort of affiliate, could fall under those protections. No, he 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.720 doesn't have a father son privilege, and maybe he has 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.280 consulted his father in an attorney client way, but we 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:10.760 do know. 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.079 That he is. I shouldn't have given you that idea. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.720 I gave her a bound. She's running with it. Okay, Well, 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.520 you know what, You're not half wrong, Joanna, as much 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.080 grief as I'm giving you. Remember when Rosie Greer, the 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.640 football player, went and counseled O. J. Simpson behind bars, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.480 and according to the sheriff, Sipson confessed that was kept 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.960 away from the jury under the same theory you're using 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:42.120 right now. Greer was some kind of a counselor or pastor, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.280 some affiliation with the church, and it worked. The jury 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.840 never heard that OJ Sipson confession. So you know what, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.520 maybe he hasn't led to stand on with the dad. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.520 But what about the mom, Colleen and the brother. Okay, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.400 I can't wait to hear this. Did they drive by 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.360 the church on Sunday morning too? Well? 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.000 You know, here's thing with that. We really don't know 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.080 how much they know. They're living in another state. David 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.320 is living in California. I mean, what do they know 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.800 that he's hanging out with Celeste? Do they really have 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.880 any details about whether or not there was a relationship. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.520 I'm still waiting to hear proof or some sort of 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.960 evidence that he was in a relationship that was inappropriate 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.120 besides contributing to the delinquency of a minor and you know, 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.719 maybe doing drugs and drinking alcohol, which we can kind 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.079 of gather from these photos. So there may have been 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.800 an inappropriate relation to the extent that he was doing 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.320 things that he should not have been doing, like engaging 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:42.199 in abuses of substances, giving her alcohol in But whether 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.040 or not there was a sexual relationship, we don't know that. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:52.640 I've heard no reportings besides suspicions that there's any proof regarding. 0:12:52.160 --> 0:13:06.160 That crime stories with anti Great Steve Fisher joining me 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.480 right now, the Man of the Hour. He is a 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.760 missing person's private investigator, search and rescue specialist, and he 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.680 was hired by the owner of the mansion where D 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.760 four VD was living to basically find out what the 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:27.120 hay happened. Could you refresh Joanna Nievis's recollection regarding the 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:33.800 relationship that you have cobbled together through photos. I know 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.600 you were not in the room when any alleged sex 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.680 activity occurred, which would be statutory rape because she's a child, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.920 But you've seen a lot of photos. You even recovered 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.720 a photo stick that the lapd left behind in their wisdom. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.560 Tell me what relationship based on the photos that you 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.840 have seen and what you have learned, what was the 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:03.320 relationship between D four VD and this little girl, Celeste Rivas. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.160 Well, I'm certain that one thing that's become very apparent 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.560 is he was aware when cameras around and and he 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.960 made her aware of not to be in front of 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:22.240 the camera. It's very very apparent because you know, she's 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.120 captured in so few, you know, photos, although we know 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.160 we have other evidence the link are there, and but 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.560 is there direct evidence? I mean, I think it's this 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.640 is one thing that's worried me about this case is 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:38.120 that because it's the very highest level the of the 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:44.440 the DA's office. These are the d's that prosecute you know, 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.160 homicides and stuff. Will they if they can't meet that threshold, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:49.800 will they go after the sex crimes? 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:50.240 I don't know. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.360 I don't know if they will, and that that worries 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.520 me when he I can. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.800 Tell you right now they won't. Yeah, I can tell 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.920 you right now well that sex assault will likely not 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:07.040 be part of the claims against deforvid aka David Anthony Burke. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:12.120 And this is why Celeste is dead. Anthony will David 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:16.080 Anthony Burke will likely never take the stand and without 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:21.080 any DNA from her body or her eyewitness testimony as 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:25.000 a victim, it won't be a You can't prove it. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.240 If there is a witness that walked in on them 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:34.720 in any sex act, maybe they've got a leg to 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.160 stand on, okay, And there were so many people in 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:39.680 and out of that house, as you know, that may 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.640 very well have happened if anyone ever saw him kiss 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.760 her on the mouth. If there are any texts that 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:53.760 surface romantic or sexual text between them, we may be 0:15:53.920 --> 0:16:00.720 able to get a charge on in decent expres elude A. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.920 But the state doesn't want to include account that is 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:12.320 weak because it will then dilute a murder charge or 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.720 a homicide charge if it's not murder one. I would 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.240 not put that in my indictment. If I were indicting 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.960 this case, I might believe it, I might know it 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.880 to be true. But unless I have a witness, gethan 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.000 tell they can tell me they observe D four VD 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.480 having full on sex with celestial revice, I would not 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.160 put that in the indictment. If I've got someone or 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:42.200 text proving something else, kissing, fondling, sexual text, anything like that, 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:48.080 I would go with delinquency to a minor or child 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.960 molestation or leute acts. I wouldn't do anything that would 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.360 dilute the most important charge, and that would be homicide. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.400 In fact, I believe I would have one count of 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:05.040 homicide if I were prosecuting this case. Maybe account of 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.879 mutilation to a corpse, which means hiding the corps, bearing 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.919 the corpse, tampering with the corpse, because those are going 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:17.960 to be provable according to reports. Now, Steve Fisher, we've 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.280 got this document proving in a footnote you have to 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.120 read it very carefully that there is a grand jury 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:30.640 investigation state the David Anthony Burke. What you're seeing right 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.800 there is from the family contesting their subpoenas. We can 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.320 only imagine what he may have told them, what they 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.000 know about this case, But they're going to have to testify. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.439 Just because you move to a different state or you 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.800 are in a different state does not mean you don't 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.240 have to testify in front of grand jury. Now, Steve Fisher, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.320 bring me up to date with your latest findings. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:18:00.280 We had the news of the car being say from 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.959 going to auction at the very last minute. We were 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.000 hoping to take a look at that and that didn't happen. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.600 These photos are showing now. We we released these photos, 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.840 uh to kind of show there's a couple of reasons 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.320 for this. I wanted to show some of the people 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.800 that were around a lot and they appear in this photo. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:24.760 We believe Celeste is also just off frame here. And 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:29.640 and also you know we talked about the phone right 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.160 there that's shows that it's on connected to the Wi 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.800 Fi system of the house. And we did this because 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.320 we wanted to let everybody we've heard I've heard recently 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.720 that there's a few people that still are not co 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.800 operating and or aren't being fully truthful, and I think 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.840 it's important that people realize that there are things like 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.119 the Wi Fi router at the house that it's gonna 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.040 log exactly when they were connected to that that router, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.159 and you know what days and what times and and 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.359 things like that. So we just thought it might be 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.160 important for those people to think about and maybe it's 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.720 time to be fully truthful about you know, who was, 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:09.120 who was there, and who was I'm. 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:10.959 Sorry, hold on, you cut out on it. You're saying 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:16.080 that the LAPD can mine the Wi Fi connections in 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.840 the home from the time they believe Celeste began living 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.480 there until her death, and they can determine who was 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.720 in the home and get those cell numbers, connect those 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.159 cell numbers to owners, and then get witnesses. Is that 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.960 what you just said if if. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.800 They did the forensics on the router. Look, you know, 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.919 we don't have that type of relationship with the LAPD 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.119 where they're telling us exactly what they've done. These are 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.240 things that we're throwing out there hoping that they are 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.240 being done because we think they're very important, especially if there's. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:51.080 A lot See Fisher, You're absolutely right, but I want 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:55.520 to talk to you about a neo aka Neo the 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.959 Asian aka hiding under mommy's bed and another jurisdiction refusing 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.119 to the grand jury. Guess what, he was arrested and 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.200 brought to the grand jury. So if d Forbidy's family 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.240 doesn't want the same treatment, they better hop on over 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.879 to that California grand jury and start talking. Tell me 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.960 what you know about Neo the Asian. His words, not mine, 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:26.240 brought into the grand jury? Did he go to grand jury? 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.800 Steve Fisher showed up at that building. 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.520 They showed the prosecutor arriving at that building. He was 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.560 only in there. They say thirty to forty minutes. The 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.600 only thing that I confer from that, and I don't 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.600 have any inside information on this, but I have to 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.080 believe that he bleeded the fifth because there's not I 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.840 can't believe there's a thirty or forty minute by the 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.680 time you would arrive, get sworn in and all that. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.080 You know, He's got a lot more information than thirty 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:54.960 or forty eight minutes worth, I would hope. So I 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:59.040 think he pleaded the fifth, which is obviously is right 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:03.720 to do so. But as a non lawyer, I can 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.040 look at that and say, well, that said something to me, 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:07.560 you know. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:12.480 And well, you're right, Steve Fisher, that timing cannot be denied. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:18.240 D four vd's friend D four vd's seemingly best friend, 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.600 Neo Langston, did appear from of an LA grand jury 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.439 and the investigation into the death of Celeste Rivas. He 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.560 was arrested for failure to appear. He was dragged back. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.120 He did go into the grand jury. The twenty three 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:36.720 year old was at the courthouse this past Wednesday, a 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:41.200 grand jury, as you know, convened since November investigating this. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.199 But he didn't stay long, about forty minutes and then 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.280 left the courthouse, refusing to answer questions as he left. Now, 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.359 we tried to get a comment from the Deputy District 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.280 Attorney Silverman, who was presenting case to the grand jury. 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:01.040 No good, wouldn't taught agree. Don't blame her, but I 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:06.600 do believe that Steve Fisher is correct. Straight back out 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.520 to our friend Joanna and neevis veteran trial lawyer in 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:15.639 this jurisdiction. You know what, fine, if you don't want 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:20.000 to testify, you can be put on as a co 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:24.040 defendant on that indictment, real simple, or you can be 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:28.920 an unnamed co conspirator or I'm very surprised the state 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:34.800 didn't do this, Joanna. Give him immunity and make him testify, 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.520 because the reason you take the Fifth Amendment right to 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.440 rein silent is because it could hurt you at your 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:44.560 upcoming trial. But if the state says, okay, you have immunity, 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.000 like you know you're immune from the flu or you 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.280 get the COVID VATSA, you're immune, you think same thing. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.280 You are not going to try you. And if we're 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.040 not going to try you, then you don't get to 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.480 take the fifth I'm very surprised. What do you think, Joanna? 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.280 I agree with you, Nancy. I mean, as a lawyer, 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.840 I would have been talking to my client beforehand, talking 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:10.720 to the district attorney and negotiating some type of immunity 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.440 deals so to protect this interest. And so that also 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.960 leaves that opening of like, okay, if he really went 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:21.560 in there and led the fifth or why didn't that 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.000 occur ahead of time? But maybe they just had some 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:28.840 very straightforward cross examination questions, except some very or i'm sorry, 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.320 investigative questions where they're getting their yes and no answers. 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:37.000 And this is all I wanted from that witness and 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.920 leaving the door open to pursue something later on if 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:45.080 they need to. I just I do find it confounding 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.440 that they would not have negotiated something prior to him 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:49.240 going in there. 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.920 How about this, Joeanna. Maybe they put him up and 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.600 try to get him to testify without an immunity deal 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.680 in place, and then when he would and then they 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:04.960 had to go meet converse decide whether or not to 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:09.080 Granham immunity or to charge him, because put Steve Fisher up. Please, 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:16.600 Steve Fisher, you went before LAPD did You thought of 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.400 it before they did, and you executed it before they did. 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.400 You went to all the neighbors and you got their 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.040 ring cam, their doorbell cam. And we see how important 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.960 that is in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance, right, how valuable 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:34.800 that is. And you got video of someone moving Defour 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:39.280 VID's tesla around, we believe with Celeste body in the trunk. 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:45.760 And you're telling me tonight that it was or was 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:47.200 not Neo Langston. 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:54.040 Oh, I'm not saying either of those. You know I 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:58.800 can't do that. Here's here's the the you know the 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.880 problem with the surveillance in that neighborhood. The car was there. 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.040 I mean, this shoe was in that trunk for months, 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.679 and that overwrites. And so although there's a lot of 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:13.000 cameras in that neighborhood and there's a lot of surveillance 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.800 to get some of it, doesn't go back far enough 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.359 and from other ends. 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:23.200 Steve Fisher again, Steve, I had no idea you could 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:27.439 do the backstroke. So well, isn't it true that you 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.879 told me, you told me you saw the face at 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:39.760 least once of a person moving the tesla? Yes, okay, 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:43.320 that's all. No further questions, but you're not telling me 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.280 and I understand that, but I'm going to keep asking. 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.800 Dave Mack, have we missed anything? Nea Langston appears at 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.960 the grand jury, apparently takes the fifth I believe Steve 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.840 Fisher and Joeanna and theevis are exactly correct. He may 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.359 be named as an Underdidy codes Bert conspirator. He may 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.879