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I don't 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: think she'll sell her story reality shows, even a show 21 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: with her and O. J. Simpson Cindy Anthony also telling 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: TV host Chris Hansen that Casey might not remember what 23 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: happened to her daughter Kaylee because she might have blacked 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: out during a seizure. Yes, I think Casey is mentally ill. 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: It never ends, doesn't. A three year old little girl 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: was found double bagged with trash bags like she's trash 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: and thrown her dead body thrown into a swampy area. 28 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: And then the person accused of the crime put her 29 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: head on her pillow every night for months on, in 30 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: just ten houses down from where her baby girl's body 31 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: lay decomposing. Of course I'm talking about Top Mom Casey Anthony, 32 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: And of course it ain't over yet. I'm Nancy Grace. 33 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Now. 34 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony hits the headlines again in the 35 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: last hours, demanding that a lawsuit be thrown out, a 36 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: lawsuit accusing her of lying. Oh which lie? Could it be? 37 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Alexis Terrestrick? I'm not really sure which lie she's talking about, 38 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: the one where she says she didn't murder her baby 39 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: that one, or or throw little Ellie, uh, double bagged 40 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: into a swampy area. I mean, how many times did 41 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: she drive by that each day. Did she even bothered 42 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: to glance over there while her child was decomposing? She 43 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: was out partying Harty on stripper poles at hot body contests, 44 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: slung up with her boyfriend who never saw Kelly as 45 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: the weeks passed by, then made up an imaginary babysitter, 46 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: Zenia Gonzalez. Guess whether it turned out to be a 47 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: real Zenia Gonzalez who ruined her life. She had never 48 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: even met Kelly or taught mom Casey Anthony, I mean 49 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: the wake of pain this woman has left behind, including 50 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: her own parents. It's just unimaginable. But right now, alexis 51 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: ures Chuck Radar Online dot Com investigative reporter, what is which? 52 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Specific I as top Mom Claiming to be false, She 53 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: says that Roy Krunk's lawsuit against her for defamation is 54 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: not true. He says that it was because Casey and 55 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: her legal team lied about him, saying that he was 56 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: perhaps a suspect. You know what, you know what, alexis, 57 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: No good D goes unpunished. Dr Bethany with me. Dr 58 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, high profile l A psycho analysts. Isn't that 59 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: the truth? No Good D Goes unpunished? My husband and 60 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: I text that to each other all the longest. No 61 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: matter what we try to do somethow, I would always backfires. 62 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, do you remember Roy Kronk. I do, like 63 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: it was yesterday. I remember poor Kronk, the meter reader 64 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: of all people. He's the one who found Kylee if 65 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: he had not so crazy. Dr Bethany, Remember he saw something. 66 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: He's out reading meters. Remember this is in Orlando, Florida, 67 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: on a fairly nice subdivision where top Mom's parents runts. 68 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, as poor people, what they have lived through. 69 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: That's where they lived. And there she lived with them, freeloading, 70 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: laid on the sofa and chips all day. So that's 71 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: where they live. And he's out there doing his job. 72 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: Is Dr Bethany has just told us, and he sees 73 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: something unusual. He calls police. Then then a couple of 74 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: weeks past, he keeps going back, going, while it's still there, 75 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: and he keeps calling back, and I believe one time 76 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: there was a snake out in there, as I recall anyway, Yeah, 77 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: as it goes. He finally stays there until they come 78 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: one day finally show up. Take a listen to this 79 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: nine one one call. There was something round and white 80 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: underneath of it and I don't know what it is, 81 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: but it's just wouldn't look like something that should be there. 82 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: There's a swap area that I saw something that I 83 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: called in a hip the other day and they said 84 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: the would perspuch an officer about to me when I 85 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: got there? What what you were just listening to? Is 86 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: the meter reader? Roy Cronk calling cops yet again? And 87 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: when they get there, Alexis Torres Chuck writer online dot Com, 88 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: what happens? They find Little Cayley's body, double wrapped in 89 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: a trash bag, rotting, decomposing because she's been left out 90 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: in the hot Florida elements after being murdered for months 91 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: on end, not even my houses away from the home 92 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: where she lived with her loving, loving grandparents and where 93 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: Casey lived because she had nothing else to do. Hey, 94 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: let me tell you something about the loving grandparents. We 95 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: only saw the worst of them during this trial. I mean, 96 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: imagine it. I don't know if I told you Dr 97 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: bethany Oh, I did. I did, Alan Jackie you know this, Alexis, 98 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you do. But right now, my nephew 99 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: who was like a son to me when he was 100 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: growing up. Um, he and his wife are building a house, 101 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: and he and his wife and their new baby and 102 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: their cat and their dog have moved in with us. 103 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: And we also have, of course me, my husband, my 104 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: two children, my mother, a cat, a dog, and Lucy's 105 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: two new guinea pigs, Abby and Chloe. So this house 106 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: is a rocking people. But when you were talking about 107 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: the loving grandparents, uh, they my little nephew Sam have 108 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: brought their baby here, Alex And can I tell you 109 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: how much I look forward to seeing that little guy 110 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: in the morning. I mean he leaves to go to 111 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: play skill, like six thirty in the morning. I just 112 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: love that little guy. Can you imagine Dr Bethany, George 113 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: and Cindy. They have this freeloading daughter. Okay, they're probably 114 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: turning a blind eye to it, and then she has 115 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: this baby. She's never revealed the dad and the baby 116 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: comes into their world. It's Killy and that little girl 117 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: those big brown eyes. Oh my stars, how much do 118 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: you think they love that child? Bethany Nancy? They love 119 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: little Killy so much. And you know, one of the 120 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: most tragic parts of this story. I remember this so clearly, 121 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Cindy and George were taking um primary responsibility for taking 122 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: care of Kaylee. They loved her, but putting the bill 123 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: and doing all the babysitting and all the diepey changes 124 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: and the poopy pants, the works, everything, And then Cindy 125 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: grows concerned that Casey is not taking care of the 126 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: little girl. So was not, so Cindy and George go 127 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: to therapy. Do you axcuse me, Bethany? Can you talk 128 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: regular people talk take care of the baby? How can 129 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: she take care of the baby when she's got one 130 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: leg wrapped around a stripper bowl at the bar? But 131 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: do you remember Cindy and George went to therapy and 132 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: the therapist encouraged Cindy to place pressure on Casey to 133 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: take care of Kayley. And it's after that that Kayley 134 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: goes missing. So that's oh, I forgot that, remember that piece. 135 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: She probably blames herself, right, Well, let me tell you 136 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: I started this whole thing. Dr Bethany was saying, we 137 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: always saw the worst of George and Cindy, and I 138 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: got off track, of course. Do you remember Alexis Torrez 139 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: chuck the clip of George Anthony yelling at the media 140 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: out in his front yard. Okay, first of all, and 141 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: he was chewing him a near ear end. Listen, his 142 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: daughter's charged, suspected of murder. The light of his life. 143 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I love my husband, you know that alexis. 144 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: But my children and that baby Alex that's living with 145 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: us now that that's that's my whole world. I love 146 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: those three and all of a sudden to just have 147 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: Kelly gone. And then every morning you'll walk out the 148 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: door and there's the media camped out just on the 149 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: edge of your grass that they're not putting one toe 150 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: on it, but they're right there at the edge to 151 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: get a picture of you or video of you. Every 152 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: morning when you're going through all this, you can't even 153 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: get out of your home. I guess he did yell 154 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: at everybody, right, he did. He did. The thing that 155 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: I found to me that was the scariest part of 156 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: the whole time is when you broke the news that 157 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: George Anthony tried to commit suicide. I was watching your 158 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: show right now, well as I was standing there. You 159 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: you broke in with your news live that George Anthony 160 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: had been taken to hospital because he tried to commit suicide. 161 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: He was so devastated over his daughter's child, the little 162 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: girl who lived with him, and all the pressure surrounding 163 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: this case, and and all the news that had been 164 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: broken that he had been talking to another woman instead 165 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: of Cindy, and that he tried to kill himself because 166 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: the pressure of it was too much while his daughter 167 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: was eating chips and having a great time. Didn't even 168 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: know Axon, Um, yeah, I remember that. And can you 169 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: imagine Dr Bethany, I mean, Alexis and I are just, 170 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, the regular people. You're the shrink. Can you imagine? 171 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: So you're the light of your life goes missing this baby, 172 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: and then suddenly the focus is on you. Did you 173 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: have anything to do with it? And everybody starts sifting 174 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: through your life. You know, I think of the worst 175 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. Let me make that plural, the 176 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: worst things I've ever done, because there's plenty of them. 177 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: And to suddenly have the worst thing you've ever done 178 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: splashed on the front page of the Orlando Sentinel, and 179 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: then of course that's an awesome paper. Then it's picked 180 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: up all over the world and it's on I mean, 181 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: it lives forever on the internet. Everything you've ever done, 182 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: every ticket, every lawsuit, every job you've ever been fired from, 183 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: every person you've ever flirted with, it's all there. And 184 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: then your spouse knows everything you've ever done, every secret 185 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: you've ever up there it is. And remember, Nancy, one 186 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: of the secrets is that he had had a young 187 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: woman um with whom he had had some kind of 188 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: a relationship. I'm not sure what the relationship was anymore, 189 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: but that was exposed in in trial. His own daughter 190 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: accuses George of molesting her. So he has that trauma. 191 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get my handkerchief. I'm gonna have 192 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: to get my handkerchief out of my pocket because just 193 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: thinking about what these parents have lived through. I mean, 194 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, on top of losing Kelly. But back to 195 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: the lawsuit, Alan Duke, why did you get a so 196 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: off track? I mean, it never ends with you. Um, 197 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: back to the lawsuit. Okay, it's Roy Kron, the poor 198 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: meter reader who's minding his own business, trying to do 199 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: the right thing. He sued top mom Casey Anthony for defamation, 200 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: claiming she sicked her lawyers on him to smear his 201 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: name publicly and suggest he tampered with the body. They 202 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: all so insinuated he Kroc may have done all this 203 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: to snag a reward. In other words, you know, tamper 204 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: with the body to get the money. And I guarantee 205 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: you suggest at trial that he was the one that 206 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: killed Kelly. That that's where I was headed Kronk, says 207 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: attorney Jose bay As. That's top Mom's lawyer called him 208 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: a quote. This is an opening statements to the jury. 209 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: I was there, Alexis. Did you come to the trial? 210 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: I can't remember anymore? So many people were there. I 211 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: remember I was sitting up um at that point in 212 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 1: the balcony, I think, and because I wanted to be 213 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: able to get in and out without causing any commotion. 214 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, like in church when you start rustling down 215 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: the aisland sitting on all the old ladies, that causes 216 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: a big commotion. So I was sitting up trying to 217 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: go an seen and unheard in the balcony. And Jose 218 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: Bias tells the jury that this meter reader is a 219 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: quote morally bankrupt individual who actually took Kelly's body and 220 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: hid her. I guess he did see for defamation, I mean, 221 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Alexis Terress Chuck, do you recall him blaming croc i do. 222 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: It was the wildest opening statements from an attorney that 223 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: anybody had probably ever seen in a while. He told 224 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: he said so many things during those opening statements that 225 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: he never even touched upon or approved or said again 226 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: during the trial. But that was what he said about 227 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: Roy Clunk, the man who found this little world, who 228 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: spent months agonizing over it. He had called the police originally, 229 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: and they didn't even follow up on his tip. He 230 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: went back a couple of months later, still saw Cayley's body. 231 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: This time he had that there was a skull, and 232 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: finally the police came out. They were spending all their 233 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: time with Casey where she was. You know, she lied 234 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: about saying she worked Universal Studios. The cops actually she 235 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: took them physically to Universal Studios, was walking around the 236 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: building and finally turned to them and said, oh, well, 237 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: you know it just kidding, I don't really work here. 238 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: Every lie possible. They were tracking down with Casey trying 239 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: to find out what happened. What is that? Is that 240 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: an ailment to Dr Bethany Marshall. Dr Bethany Marshall joining 241 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: us from l a high profile psychoanalysts and um when 242 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: you get I mean it took to the very last 243 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: moment for top Mom to admit she didn't work at Universal, 244 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: and um, we go to Disney whenever we can afford it, 245 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: but we then go over to Universal. I really didn't 246 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: know that much about it, but now we love it 247 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: over there because of Harry potter Land. It's huge, It's humongous. 248 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: So she tells police. So she's been telling her parents 249 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: forever that she works there. She's got these fake I 250 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: d s and I guess a little uniform, and so 251 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: she was trying to tell the police all about her 252 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: work scenario, where she had been working, and how she 253 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: met the babysitter. And she lied all the way in 254 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: the police car, all the way the Universal. They get 255 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: to the security gate, the security guards go, we don't 256 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: have any record of you being here. She goes, oh, well, 257 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: this is my extension. They call the extension. She's sitting 258 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: in the car with the cops. Dr Bethany. She sticks 259 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: to her story and she starts naming names, and they 260 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: call the people, and they finally get in. As I recall, 261 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: they get through security, they get all the way in there, 262 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: and finally, I guess, when nobody recognizes her she goes, Okay, 263 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: you got me like it's a joke. I don't work here. 264 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what is that type of a liar that 265 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: will take you all the way when they're totally their 266 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: back is literally against the wall, there's nowhere else to turn. 267 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: Then they go, okay, I was lying, Nancy, okay before 268 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: I answered the question. I remember the I remember when 269 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: you broke this story and you covered the story night 270 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: after night, and if you had not covered the story repeatedly, 271 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: we would not know about it. Now. I remember the 272 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: very first article I ever read about Casey Anthony where 273 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: they talked about the police interview and that she said 274 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: she worked at Universal, she got in the police cars, 275 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: she she rode there. She kept the lie up until 276 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: the very last minute. I was so shocked when I 277 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: read that article. I remember reading it three or four 278 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: times in preparation for the show that that night, because 279 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe what I was reading. And now we 280 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: know that that Casey Anthony is a pathological liar. I 281 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: think she's the sort of liar who actually is so 282 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: in the moment with her lies that she believes them. 283 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: I mean to the point of delusions, saying that you 284 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: know she knew she did not work at Universal No, no, 285 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: she but but she has the capacity to believe that 286 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: she can persuade other people and there's no sense of consequences. 287 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I guess one of the things 288 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: I can say is that certain personality disorders cluster together, narcissistic, antisocial, 289 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: and borderline. And what all these personality disorders have in 290 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: common is something I frequently talked about, which is reckless 291 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: disregard and lack of concern for the right and safety 292 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: of others, impulsivity, failure to plan ahead, reactivity, clinging and 293 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: rejecting behavior. They just either idealize and cling to people, 294 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: or they they withdraw at the first sign of rejection, 295 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: and that in that matrix of personality characteristics, they're not 296 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: thinking about anybody else but themselves. I mean, I think 297 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: that she thought she could come troll the police. I 298 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: think that's what's so amazing. Maybe she was so used 299 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: to controlling and lying to everybody else for years, and 300 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was just a second nature to her, 301 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: and suddenly it wasn't working. Hold on, guys, I've got 302 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: some more sound I've got to play for you from 303 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: Roy Kronk. But first I want to thank our partner 304 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: who's making today's program possible with my awesome guests Alexis Dress, Chuck, Dr. 305 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, uh In l A Alan Duke, and here 306 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: in the studio with me, my buddy Jackie Howard. I 307 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: want to thank our partner. It's link A k C. 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I want to go back to Top 356 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: Mom Casey Anthony, Guys, I want you to hear what 357 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: Roy Kronk, the poor meter reader who is the source 358 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: of this lawsuit Top Mom is trying to get thrown out, 359 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: um said to my friend Robin Roberts over at ABC 360 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: g M A take a lesson to what Kronk tells Robin. 361 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: You make this discovery, you call and what was the response. Well, 362 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: I called that night about to o'clock and they said okay, 363 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: and then nothing happened. No one called me back. If 364 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: I called him again the next night about ton o'clock, 365 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: they told me to call crime line I didn't want 366 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: to call it crime line. I just wanted to stay 367 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: as anonymous as possible, and so I called crime Line 368 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: and they said they'd have an officer meet me out there. 369 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: So the next day, when I got off work, I 370 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: drove over there. I called the officers, showed up. He 371 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: just pulled his expanded metal with's haunt out, went down 372 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: to the water's edge. I pointed in the area what 373 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: was at He just swept his head back and forth 374 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: and said, I don't see anything, and pretty much that 375 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: was it. And that was in August December. You go 376 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: back to the same area. Why did you go back? 377 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: I had to go to the bathroom. So I went 378 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: in there and I looked over and I saw a 379 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: shape that didn't look quite right to me. And when 380 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: I pulled the bag up, I basically looked down and 381 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: there it was. Did you know? It was the same 382 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: area where you had found except there was no water 383 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: there this time because it all dried up. And you 384 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: called authorities again, and this time they did fine the remains. 385 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: And then, as a matter of fact, Alexis and Dr 386 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: Bethan he actually steals my quote. Actually maybe I took 387 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: maybe I stole it. From him. Listen, there's so much 388 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: speculation about UM, about your your possible uh involvement and 389 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: as a as a private citizen that came forward and 390 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: help and help so much in this case. How do 391 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: you how do you feel about all that no good 392 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: deed goes unpunished? I mean, all the speculation that there 393 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: was like tips and all that nobody tipped me off. 394 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: I figured this out by myself, and I just have 395 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: chose not to say anything back until the day. Well, 396 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: let's let's set the record straight today. Did you have 397 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: any contact with anyone in the Anthony family before finding 398 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: I've never been about those people. Now, did you have 399 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: anything to do with the disappearance of Kayley Anthony or 400 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: anything like that? Of course not, Um, would you still 401 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: do it all over again? They've been really hard on me, 402 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: and you try to do the right thing, you try 403 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: to be a nice guy, and you just get vilified 404 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: and to where people I mean, And the sad thing 405 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: is people actually believe some of the things that are 406 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: being said. And I have nothing to do with this 407 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: at all, But you know, you listen to some of 408 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories, and you know, I've done everything known 409 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: to men kind and I haven't done anything. I just 410 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: tried to help put a little closure to that poor 411 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: child and she got a decent burial in the end. 412 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: All this, that's all I tried to do. So the 413 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: current lawsuit Alexis is where Totten Mom Casey Anthony as 414 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: now saying to the court throwout Cronks defamation suit against me. 415 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: It's baseless exactly. She says, there's no proof at all 416 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: that I directed my legal team, who I spent every 417 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: single day with three years on end, and told them 418 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: all my stories. There's no proof that I told them 419 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: to lie about Crunk, to say things about him that 420 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: may or may not have been true. She says, once again, 421 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: it's not her fast sat there shaking her head up 422 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: and down the whole time. Um, you know it's going 423 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: to be a shame if they throw this lawsuit out. 424 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: You know, Dr Bethany, I know they didn't teach you 425 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: this when you were getting your doctorate degree, but you 426 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: might want to use this. It might help help you 427 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: in some of your patients. But you don't know a horse. 428 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: Look at their track record, all right, Dr Bethany, I'm 429 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: sure there's some fancy way that you like to say that, 430 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: but it's so true, isn't it true? Alan? And I 431 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: believe you've got the sound that George Anthony says the 432 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: defense team told him he had to quote fall on 433 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: his sword and take the stand and lie about his 434 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: alleged involvement in Kelly's death. He did not have anything 435 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: to do with it, by the way, they wanted him 436 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: to lie, according to him, in front of the jury 437 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: under oath with your hand on the Bible. Isn't that right? Alan? Yes, Nancy, 438 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: let's listen to that interview. Okay, listen, so we know 439 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna pinder on you because you need to fall 440 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: on the sword for your daughter. You need to do this, 441 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: I said, with the defense attorney said you you need 442 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: to fall on the sword. Need to fall on the sword. 443 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: From my I need to take responsibility and claim that 444 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: what responsibility The reason why Kaylee wasn't here with us anymore, 445 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: the reason why she's gone. Do you think looking back, 446 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: she was mentally ill? Yes, I think Casey is mentally ill. 447 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: I really do. I think Casey is mentally ill. She's 448 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: never had her seizures worked up. You think Casey had 449 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: a seizure potentially and didn't even know what happened to Kayley. 450 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: That's a possibility, and she doesn't remember when she has 451 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: seizures unless she knows she has been her tongue or something. 452 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: Would you support a lawsuit against your daughter. I don't 453 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: think it will overcome to that. I don't think she'll 454 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: sell her story. George seems to think that it might, 455 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: and now there are rumors of reality shows, even a 456 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: show with her and O. J. Simpson. What do you 457 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: say to that if it came down to that, I 458 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: probably would. She's talking about Keyley still being with her 459 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: a part of her life and perhaps having another child. 460 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where she could have 461 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: another child with. It wouldn't be anywhere in the United 462 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: States of America. Who knows. Maybe some of the country 463 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: would accept her. She's had boyfriends since she's gotten out. 464 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: Tell me about the suicide attempt. From the time that 465 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: Kaylee we were told to Kaylee was missing, taken with 466 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: Zanny whatever, whomever she was with. I didn't feel I 467 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: did enough to go find her. Did you want to die? 468 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to be with her. I want even to 469 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: this day, she should be here, not me. I've seen 470 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: Kaylee on a couple of occasions. Oh, no, I've seen her. 471 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: I've seen her in the flesh. I've seen and you're 472 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: right in my house. One time she woke me up 473 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: in the morning to tap one on with her little 474 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: finger like she used to do. Was this a j 475 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: Was this a dream? It wasn't a dream. It was 476 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: it was like you and I are talking right now. 477 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: How do you explain the strong spirit that's in our house? 478 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: Was their imagination? Oh, that's not an imagination. That that's 479 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: that's love, and that's that's a connection that I wish 480 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: more people could have. Is she a killer? Do you 481 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: think she intentionally wanted to kill Kylee? If Casey is 482 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: watching this, what is your message to her? Stay away, 483 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: stay away from me. If she wants to her relationship 484 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: again with her mom, she's got a lot of explain 485 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: to do. But I don't I don't want to hear 486 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: it no more from her. I don't want to see her. Cindy, 487 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: If Casey is watching this, what do you say to her? 488 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: Case be true to yourself, start being honest with yourself 489 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: and own everything, equip putting blame on every buddy else Alexis. 490 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that after George Um whom I have 491 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: met him and his wife Cindy, and they were genuine 492 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: and kind and polite and gracious everything you didn't see 493 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: in the trial under all that in that pressure cooker, 494 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: and I believe that's their true nature. I think this 495 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: whole thing has devastated them. I don't think they give 496 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: a fig about anything else anymore. Um, isn't it true? 497 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: Alexis trust Chuck writer online dot Com that then, when 498 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: George wouldn't go along with the lies, the defense was 499 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: perpetrating that he was responsible for Kelly's death. They then 500 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: accused him. George Anthony, former cop A molesting taught mom, 501 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how low can you go to claim something 502 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: like that on your own dad, Alexis. They did. Jose 503 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: Bias said that Casey had to leave for school every 504 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: day after being molested by her dad, and she had 505 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: to smile and hide the fact that just hours before. 506 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: And this is what jose Bias said during the trial. 507 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: He said that she left the house after she had 508 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: had her dad's penis in her mouth. You know, Dr Bethany, 509 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: I missed my dad so much. You know, he's been 510 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: gone now two years. I think about him every single day, 511 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: if I could just have him back for one hour, 512 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: I just I don't think I would even say anything, 513 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: because there are no words that could describe how I 514 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: feel about him. And the thought that you could claim 515 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,479 Speaker 1: this publicly on your dad to save your own skin, 516 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: it's just awful. And Nancy not only did she say 517 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: it about her fall father, she said it about her 518 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: brother Lee. Do you remember that she she would claim 519 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: that Lee would come into the bed at night and 520 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: pull her bra off or fondle her under the bra 521 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: something like that. So the lies about her father and 522 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: her brother were pretty extensive. And I keep going back 523 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: to the this clustering of personality disorders, the borderline narcissistic, antisocial, 524 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: and and what is at the core of those personality 525 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: disorders is a failure to attach at the very bottom, 526 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: That's what it is. She cannot empathetically attached to anybody. 527 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: She wasn't attached to her mother, she was not attached 528 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: to her father, she wasn't even attached to her own child. 529 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: In fact, most parents, most mothers who commit um infanticide, 530 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: do have borderline personality disorder. That's the predominant driving motivation. 531 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: And then you add on top of that, not only 532 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: the lies about her parents, but then she's lying about 533 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: her parents and then she's clinging to her boyfriends. You know, Um, 534 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: she steals Amy Hayzinga's um check book. Do you remember 535 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: that after Kayley goes missing and while her daughter is 536 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: allegedly missing, uses Amy Hazings check book, forges her name 537 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: on there, and she's caught on video by uh like 538 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: an eighteen pack of beer and a bunch of push 539 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: up bras and lingerie while the daughter is missing, and 540 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: then moves in with the boyfriend. And then she's kind 541 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: of living the high life in her own little, small 542 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: little way, you know, where she's just taking up with 543 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: this new boyfriend. So you have the failure to attach 544 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: to her own parents and her own child. She's lying 545 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: about them, throwing her father and brother under the bus, 546 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: and then she's idealizing the boyfriend and trying to build 547 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: a life with him. And this is what you see 548 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: with these personality disorders, is this idealization and devaluation, the 549 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: devaluation and hatred towards her own family, and then the 550 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: clinging too in the idealization of the new boyfriend. And 551 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons I think that she 552 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: killed Kyley is that there was this long for idealized 553 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: life with the new boyfriend and little Kayley was in 554 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: the way. You know, I was looking over claims made 555 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: by their private eye, Dominic Casey, their private eye, and 556 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: you reported on this. Alexis and Writer online dot Com 557 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: claims in bankruptcy papers that there was a lot of 558 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: misconduct going on between the defense lawyer, hose A Bayaz 559 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: and Top Mom Casey. Anthony Bayaz has denied this, but 560 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: in an affidavit a sworn statement, the p I claims 561 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: that he witnessed a naked tot Mom running from bay 562 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: As his private law chambers one weekend. When he went in, 563 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: He says that he then he Dominant Casey tells tot 564 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: Mom she can not continue engaging in this behavior, and 565 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: that Top Mom responded she had to do what the 566 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: defense lawyer said because she had no money for her defense. Now, 567 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Number one, the state would 568 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: pay for her defense if she did not have a 569 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: lawyer pay for a fleet of defense attorneys. She wanted 570 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: to stay with Bias. That was her decision. Um. Now, 571 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: of course, Bias has claimed that this is not true. 572 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: He has denied it vigorously. So I'm less concerned with 573 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony running naked all around the law office, 574 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: if it is true or not. I'm more concerned about 575 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: something else. The private investigator, and this is the p 576 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: I for the defense of Top Mom, working with the 577 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: defense every day. Alexis Terres Chuck Radar online dot com. 578 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: Do you recall what the of it? I says the 579 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: lawyer told him. Jose Bias told Dominic Casey, who I 580 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: have spoken with countless times over the years and who 581 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: has always been a straight shooter with me. He said, 582 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: you better get out there and find that body, because 583 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: the police are about to find it, obviously, saying Tominic's 584 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: implying that Casey knew exactly where she had put her 585 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: little daughter's dead body. So not only is Top Mom 586 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony demanding the judge throw out this lawsuit, her 587 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: legal woes go on. You know, it has been years 588 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: since this whole thing went down, but Top Mom Casey 589 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: Anthony seemingly is enjoying a great lifestyle. She has moved 590 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: in with the private investigator. Reportedly that work for the O. J. 591 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: Simpson defense team is anybody's surprised about that. But her 592 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: defense lawyer, Todd Mcluso, has had quite a bit of 593 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: legal troubles. What about it, Alexis Torres. Check what's happened 594 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: to her right hand man on the defense team. Well, 595 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: he was actually convicted of conspiracy to traffic drugs? Well, well, 596 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: what what conspiracy to traffic drugs? Not? You know, an 597 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: ounce or something? Thirteen million dollars worth of cocaine. They 598 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: said that he had been conspiring to fly this cocaine 599 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: from Ecuador to Honduras and a jury found him guilty 600 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: of this thirteen million dollars of drugs. That's a lot 601 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: of drugs. You know, what do I have to say? 602 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, here's another one you can use with your patients. 603 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: Here's some free advice. I'm not going to charge you. 604 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 1: Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas that would 605 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: work here, or birds of a feather flock together. Or 606 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: let's see, a swan doesn't swim, doesn't fly on, a 607 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: swan doesn't swim in a cesspool. I mean, I could 608 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: go on, but those are some you might want to 609 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: use with your clients. Um, do you know a week 610 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: go ahead? Well, what we call it in my field 611 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: is institutional sociopathy. Better, it's when one person who lacks 612 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: had Bethany, what did you say, institutional sociopathy? Oh, dear, 613 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: go ahead, what is that? What that means is one 614 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 1: person who lacks a conscience finds another person who lacks 615 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: a conscience. That person finds another person who lacks a conscience, 616 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: and then they clustered together in a group. And when 617 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: you're talking about Jose Bias, you know, throwing out such 618 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: wild lies about Kronk meter reader and about George and 619 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: about Lee in his opening statements, I think that you know, 620 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: Casey found an attorney who was, as you know, unconscientious 621 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: as she was, and then they they found another person 622 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: and another person, and all these people clustered together and 623 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: conspired together. Um, the only person who seems to have 624 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: had a conscience is the investigator. Um, you know, the 625 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: dad was not the only one. George wasn't the only one. 626 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: That the defense insisted fall on their sword. They roped 627 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony. Now this is a mother's love. This is 628 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: a mother's love. Cindy got on the stand and insisted 629 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,959 Speaker 1: that the damning computer searches that top Mom allegedly did 630 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: for how do you make chloroform the knockout drug? How 631 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: do you make that? And there were, of course the 632 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: suggestion of chloroform in Top Mom's trunk. Cindy got on 633 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: the stand and claimed that she was the one that 634 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: made those searches and that she was really looking up 635 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: chlorophil chlorophyl, you know, the the um chemical, let me say, 636 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: natural chemical that occurs during the process of photosynthesis when 637 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 1: plants grow. That she was actually looking up chlora phil 638 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: and somehow she got spell checked and look top chloroform. 639 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: I mean, Alexis, do you remember that they enlisted the 640 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: entire family to lie for Top Mom. They did, and 641 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: they had they pulled up, you know, really solid proof, 642 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: it seemed to me of of what was searched on 643 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: the computer, and there was no chlorophyll searched. There wasn't. 644 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: It was just Cindy's multiple appearances on the stand were 645 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: heartbreaking because the longer it went on, the more things 646 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: that she tried to say covering up for her daughter. 647 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: Everybody could see that she wasn't telling the truth. I 648 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: guess except for those twelve jurors that found Casey had 649 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: not just well, I gotta tell you something. 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I want you to take a 727 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: listen to top Mom Casey Anthony's mother on the stand 728 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: this as she has been spotted at various bars and 729 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: has given statements that she's so proud that men find 730 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 1: her attractive at bars and still buy her drinks. You 731 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: know what, if I went to a bar looking the 732 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: way I look right now, they're probably all run screaming 733 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: for the heels. Okay, But Todd, mom wants us to 734 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: know that she can steal snag a man in a 735 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 1: bar to buy her a drink. You know what. I'm 736 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: sure she is so proud of that accomplishment. Now, I 737 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: want you to listen to her mother, Cindy Anthony. So 738 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: I started texting her just to make sure that everything 739 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: was okay, and I'd leave messages and then she called 740 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: me back. I just wanted to, you know, talk to 741 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,320 Speaker 1: her at least every day to make sure she was okay. 742 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: And I did persist every day asking if I could 743 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: speak with Kaylee because I missed hearing her a little voice. 744 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,240 Speaker 1: All right? And were you given an opportunity to speak 745 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 1: with Kaylee at all? No? Were you told at that 746 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: point where Hayley was Yes? What were you told? I 747 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: was told at various times that either Caylee was mapping 748 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: or um with Jeff's mother and Zachary. Maybe at the 749 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:20,280 Speaker 1: beach in Jacksonville, on a boat, um, just various places. Now, 750 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: take a listen to what George and Cindy say to 751 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: Chris Hansen a Crime Watch Daily Listen. Would you support 752 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 1: a lawsuit against your daughter? I don't think it all 753 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: overcome to that. I don't think she'll sell her story. 754 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: George seems to think that did mine. And now there 755 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: are rumors of reality shows, even a show with her 756 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,879 Speaker 1: and O. J. Simpson. Oh god, what do you say 757 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: to that if it came down to that, I probably would. 758 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm okay with myself. I sleep pretty good at night. 759 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm okay with myself. I sleep pretty good at night. 760 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: How Cindy does not rest? I do not rest. I 761 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: don't get a rest all night sleep. I know she 762 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: hasn't for years. I've seen Kaylee on a couple of occasions. 763 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: Oh no, I've I've seen her. I've seen her in 764 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,479 Speaker 1: the flesh. I've seen her in my house. One time 765 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: she woke me up in the morning to tap one 766 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: on with her little finger like she used to do. 767 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: Was this a jojo part? Was this a dream? It 768 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,359 Speaker 1: wasn't a dream it was. It was like you and 769 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: I are talking right now, how do you explain the 770 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: strong spirit that's in our house? Was their imagination? Oh 771 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: that's not an imagination. That that's that's love, and that's 772 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: that's a connection that I wish more people could have. 773 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: Is she a killer? Do you think she intentionally wanted 774 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: to kill Kayley? I don't think she intentionally wanted to. 775 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think she intentionally wanted to. 776 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: But but she should. She should be in jail because 777 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: of Kaylee not being here, and of course Alexis and 778 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,720 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany. I sure you won't be surprised that people 779 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,839 Speaker 1: reports top mom Casey Anthony quote rolls her eyes at 780 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: her parents statements. She couldn't care less, Bethany. She doesn't 781 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: care at all. In fact, what's interesting is there's not 782 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: even hatred or anger. There's no feeling at all. And 783 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: I think that's really what characterizes um Casey Anthony is 784 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,320 Speaker 1: that she seems so empty. And even now she's she's 785 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,399 Speaker 1: living with one of the the attorneys that helped defend her, 786 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 1: but her life is so small, you know, she just 787 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: apparently she she lives in this woman's house and does 788 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: I guess assistant work for her or does her paperwork 789 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: for her. You know, she's never established herself in the world. 790 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: She doesn't have a job or a career. She's just 791 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: sort of languishing out there. It's not that different from 792 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: her life before Alexis. Are you surprised about the I roll. 793 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm not at all surprised about the I roll. You know, 794 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: she is somebody who only cares about herself. And in fact, 795 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: this has been a crazy year for Casey because she's 796 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,200 Speaker 1: given multiple interviews. Well, she gave a series of interviews 797 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: about to the Associated Press, but she said, you know what, 798 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,959 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem sleeping at night. I don't 799 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: at all. If something had happened to my child, I 800 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: probably would never sleep again. Or anybody who has somebody 801 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: they care about doesn't even have to be a child, 802 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: just someone that you care about. When something bad happens 803 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: to them and such a horrific way, how could you 804 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: ever sleep again? No, Casey's fine, she says, in her 805 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: own words, you know, I don't have a problem sleeping 806 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 1: at night. She cares only about her You know what, 807 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: just talking about this, I'm going to have a problem 808 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: sleeping tonight, and you know what, I'm going to sleep 809 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: in the room with the twins because it worries me now, 810 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: and when I cover a case like this, all I 811 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: can think about is then being safe and warm and 812 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: protected and waking up with a smile on their face. 813 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off good bye friend,