1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verboll that for me. I'm a man, 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm for I've heard so many players say, well, I 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: want to be happy. You want to be happy for 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: a day? Edith Steak is that woof woof? And them 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: and ty welcome back to the solid burbo boys and girls. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: My name is Py hilden Brand joining me over there, 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: the one, the only Danreubinstein. Sir, how are you happy 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Father's Day? Belatedly? Thank you very much. It was a 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: really good day. It was a day that involved me 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: playing tennis. I had a burger, had a nice cookout. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to upset anybody by calling it a barbecue, 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: God forbid, and slept in a little bit. Got a 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: nice gift a pizza book from the lady friend Jody 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: with an eye. Life is good boys. Yeah, yeah, I 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: don't know why I called her that. No, she we 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: are married. I have a ring on my finger. I'm sorry, ladies, 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, got a nice weekend. I watched the 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: golf last night. I don't watch a lot of golf, 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: but you know how I feel about Colin Morikawa, so boy, yeah, 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I had to watch him. I like John rom too. 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: He seems nice. So here we are and I'm ready 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: to record this episode. We had a major news story 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: break this morning that we can get to in a moment. 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: I think major, and then we are going to sort 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: of deep dive the last we're going to audit ty, 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: Is that a good word for what we're doing? Sure? Yeah, 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: I don't really know what we call this. You're gonna 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: have to take my hand and lead me through this episode. 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: I've done the research you have as well. We're still 30 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: figuring out what exactly we're gonna call it. We'll get 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: to all of this here momentarily Before we do, don't 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: forget follow along on all of our social media accounts. 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: That includes Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, going out to Verballers dot com. 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: We're just starting to get ourselves organized around what the 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: benefit tiers are going to look like for this coming 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: football season. Obviously as we push into lie Look, there's 37 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff happening. You've heard us put out 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: calls for writers or social media. There's a lot more coming. 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: I can assure you of that. Very exciting times to 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: be part of the verballerhood. Going out to verballers dot 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: com if you'd like more information about what we're doing 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: in the interim for our beloved Patreon community, and certainly 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: in short order we're going to be releasing what we've 44 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: got planned for the fall. Exciting times ahead. I'm extremely pumped. 45 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: We have some interviews with people, we've been setting up 46 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: non media people. We should point out people more. I 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: don't know, let's call it the coaching world that we're 48 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: going to do in the next couple weeks, which we're 49 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: quite excited for, I would say in the scheme direction, ty, 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: if I'm being honest. So I am excited for the 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: next few weeks because the next few weeks also includes previews, divisions, conferences, everything. 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: I guess we Notre Dame got squeezed out this year, unfortunately. 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: I looked at the schedule and I just don't see 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: a day sure, but other Yeah, I'm very excited for 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: the summer and obviously the fall. Let's get to the news. 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: You mentioned it. I'm saving the voice for the season. 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm saving it for the season. You know, I've had trouble. Yeah, 58 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: this offseason. Big news in the college football world, big 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: news in the college athletics world, if I'm being honest. 60 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court took up a case, and unanimously. I 61 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: can't tell you how difficult it is to win anything 62 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: in this climate. Nine to nil, nine to nil. The 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: NCAA lost its bid here. It was a ruling that 64 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: affirmed a lower ruling on how college athletes can be compensated. 65 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: It opens the door for future legal challenges that could 66 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: deal much more significant blows to the NCAA's current business model. 67 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: This is what Judge Cavanaugh wrote. Regardless of your persuasion, Dan, 68 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: this is a pretty biting statement from Brett Kavanaugh quote. 69 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: The NC DOUBLEA is not above the law. The NCAA 70 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels, 71 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: but the labels cannot disguise the reality the NCAA's business 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry 73 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: in America. Man, it is tough to come back from 74 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: that if you are the NC DOUBLEA. Obviously, this is 75 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 1: a high court ruling which pretty much says sets the precedent, 76 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: lays the groundwork for as I said at the top here, 77 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: perhaps further further rulings in the future. But this is 78 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that is going to have a 79 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: downstream effect. I will be quick to point out, ty, 80 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: you are not a legal scholar. Correct, I'm not correct. 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: I most certainly am not. So I'm going to read 82 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: from people directly pointing out what this does and doesn't mean, 83 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: because it seems important, though I'm still trying to wrap 84 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: my mind around it. We're recording this just a couple 85 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: hours after the ruling came forward the case. This is 86 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: from the Associated Press story Emory on SI. The case 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: does not decide whether students can be paid salaries. Instead, 88 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: the ruling will help determine whether whether schools decide to 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: offer athletes tens of thousands of dollars in those benefits 90 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: for things including tutoring, studying abroad, and internships. And it's 91 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: also this piece also points out that conferences are also 92 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: able to set rules, but in terms of limiting payments 93 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: of any kind. And obviously the name image likeness stuff 94 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: is happening concurrently, and a number of states have passed 95 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 1: that as a law or as some sort of ordinance. Again, 96 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: not a legal scholar, but this is something that is 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: cropping up, but it needs to be approved. The NCAA 98 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: is still the governing body of college football in some 99 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: way of enforcement, so things are going to need to 100 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: become official, just so everybody understands some sort of playing fields, 101 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: some sort of rules. But what the Supreme Court did 102 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: again and nine nothing, we're not unlike. Wasn't this like? 103 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: Wasn't that a score of Germany Brazil in a World 104 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Cup a few years ago where it's just like was 105 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: poured on in a bar the came off the swivel. Yeah, 106 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: not a great day when the high court in the 107 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: land tells the nc DOUBA, Yeah, your entire mode of 108 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: operation and viewpoint of compensation is antiquated and nonsensical that 109 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm taken from it. Yeah, we don't do politics, We don't. 110 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: We clearly do not do the Supreme Court cases. Barely 111 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: do college football, barely do college Yeah, but certainly folks 112 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: listening to this understand that we live in a divided time. 113 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: To lose the case nine to nothing, nine to nothing, 114 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: that takes a special issue. There's like maybe four issues 115 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: in the world that would lose or win nine nothing 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: in today's climate. This is one of them. So it 117 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: does not take away from the NCA the right to 118 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: make rules, the right to what is the word here 119 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: ample latitude. It gives itself ample latitude to make rules 120 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: that it feels our best for collegiate athletics. So it's 121 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: not dissolving the NC doable a but it is. It 122 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: is clearly a ruling that is I think laying the 123 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: groundwork for where we go in the future. So, as 124 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: you said, look, we will have somebody on much much 125 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: smarter to discuss this issue at some point before the 126 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: season starts, because it seems significant. But for now, it 127 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: just broke a few hours ago. As you said, store 128 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: it away. We'll come back to it at a later date. 129 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a great plan. I think we need 130 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: to gather as much information into our jell o pudding 131 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: brains as we possibly can and ask questions of somebody 132 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: brighter than us, which it does. I mean, ample, you 133 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: just used it. There are many Yeah, I'm just I'm 134 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: fascinated to see where this goes and how schools of 135 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: view it. Obviously, the ability to do something doesn't make 136 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: it a reality. I am. I'm excited to learn more. 137 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear what people think and learn more myself. Okay, Otherwise, 138 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: any other news anything, What do you got anything that's 139 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: standing out to you? I got nothing, Okay, I want 140 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: to segue from that very intellectually minded discussion point to 141 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: our sound clips. So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah, 142 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: Is that a little dumb and dumber? Is that what 143 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: I heard there? Of course it is Lill Lloyd Christmas. 144 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: What is this show? What is this concept for today's show? 145 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Is pretty simple? I think a talking point that people 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: have gone over with this new proposed and all to 147 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: be I mean it's about to be approved, expansion of 148 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: the college football playoff to twelve teams with six conference champions, 149 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: the highest rated, the highest ranked six conference champions getting 150 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: in automatically no matter what conference they're in, as long 151 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: as they're FBS teams. One of the talking points is 152 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: that there is going to be prolonged interest in the 153 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: sport because a criticism, and I think a fair criticism, 154 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: is that because of the way ESPN, and I think 155 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: to a lesser extent, Fox, CBS, whoever broadcast the covers 156 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: of the games with the biggest audience, they tend to 157 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: view things in the lens of who's the top four 158 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: who still has a chance of being a top four team, 159 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: And I think it sort of shoved everybody else to 160 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: the margins that really didn't have a chance of making 161 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: the top four, and thus interest in an otherwise interesting, 162 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: worthwhile game kind of waned in the later part of 163 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: the year. So I wanted to play a game. I 164 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: wanted to do an audit of how true it is 165 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: that teams would be still in it later on in 166 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: the year. So I went back to twenty fourteen through 167 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But I think there's obviously an asterisk over 168 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty with the variable scheduling and everything. Sure, and 169 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: looked at the teams that had the best of bill 170 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: to make that leap from say twenty four in those 171 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: initial Week nine or whatever rankings into like the top twelve, 172 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: top ten, top six, whatever it is, and figure out 173 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: how it happened, why it happened, if it's replicable by 174 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: a team moving forward, so that if you cut your 175 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: team is whoever, if your team is Indiana and your 176 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: twentieth in the initial rankings, do you actually have a 177 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: chance to get into the playoff as an at large 178 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: bid an at large team or do you need way 179 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: too much to happen ahead of you. So I wanted 180 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: to go back and just audit the teams, look at 181 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: the G five teams. Why nothing gets the juice has 182 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: flown like a good audit on a tot. This is 183 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: memory lane, ty, you know, this is memory lane, and 184 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: we can remember some guys, we can remember, some coaches, 185 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: we can remember Notre Dames, just crazy. I think they 186 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: lost five of six one of these years. They started 187 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: out pretty hot, came off the off the swivel. Yeah, yeah, 188 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: it came off the tracks. So excited to take a 189 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: look back. Yeah, they started. I want to say, it's 190 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: pretty hot. This is sixteen, I believe so. I think 191 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: it was twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen, fourteen, they started twenty fourteen. Yeah, 192 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: they started six and one, and we can start in 193 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. You know, this is Mike Denbrock BVG territory. 194 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: This is the combinate. It's Everett Golson and LAK's a ear. 195 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: I think there's another Van Gord involved in the quarterback room. 196 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: Where they started out hot and in the top twelve 197 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: in the initial rankings and then completely fell out after 198 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: losing five of six, which it does seem like there's 199 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: that team every year. There is that team. If it's scheduling, 200 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: if it's health, if it's just weird luck at the 201 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: end of games that evens out and regresses to the 202 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: mean at the end of the season. There are those 203 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: teams that the initial ranking right there. Pause pause, pause, 204 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: take a breath. Okay, let's set the stage here. Let's 205 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen was the first year of the playoff. The 206 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: first year of the playoff, Ohio State Alabama to have 207 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: the right to play against your Oregon Ducks. Hell yeah, 208 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: and they won forty two to twenty in the championship game. 209 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: It's a big deal. That was a Cardile Jones here. 210 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: One of the things we went back and looked at 211 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: was who are some teams that went from a really 212 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: low ranking all the way up into the top twelve. 213 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: I adamantly believe, and you didn't say this. I believe 214 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: this is your low key way of saying that you 215 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: still hate the new playoff expansion. You didn't say it. 216 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna imply that I think it's the opposite. 217 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: I want there to be movement in the sport. I 218 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: want there to be a team that is slept on 219 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: and has a chance to play good football against a 220 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: good team. And I think that's one of the pros 221 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: of the new system. Because this is a system that 222 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: allows for an oopsie right, Ohio State that very year 223 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: lost of Virginia Tech Week one, and most certainly with 224 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: their win over Alabama and then Oregon with the Heisman 225 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: Trophy quarterback, proved itself to be worthy of not only 226 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: being in the playoff but being a national champion, which 227 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: I think is a good thing because we don't want 228 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: teams to be solely defined by their record. But I 229 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: like the margin for error element at the same time, 230 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: So I'm juggling to sort of opposite ideas. I understand that, 231 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: but what I like as well is like a UCF 232 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: team that goes six and six in Scott Frost's first year, 233 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: They're way out of the national picture to begin twenty seventeen, Yes, 234 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. They go six and six in Scott Frost's 235 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: first year in twenty sixteen, so you're like, well, why 236 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: am I taking UCF seriously? Yes, they bounce back from 237 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: a winless twenty fifteen, but let's not pretend they're in 238 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: national power and then they become one, and then they're 239 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: able to beat Auburn in a major bowl game. So 240 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: I want to look at those jumpers. I want to 241 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: look at those teams that are able to say, yes, 242 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: we were not ranked. You know North Carolina, what was 243 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: it twenty fifteen? I put down North Carolina was not ranked. 244 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: To then Marquise Williams. I want to say, Ryan Switzer, 245 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: Bug Howard, like it all came together really nicely. I 246 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: think Seth Latrelle was an offensive assistant on that team 247 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: before he became the full time offensive coordinator. There's a 248 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: lot to like about those teams that are able to 249 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: have that upward mobility. So I want to look at 250 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: those teams and say whether or not, okay, they would 251 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: make for an interesting playoff team, or maybe they're just 252 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: in there by default because a bunch of teams lost 253 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: ahead of them. I want to go back and look 254 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: at like, this is how it happened, This is what 255 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: you might need if you're one of those teams, this 256 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: is what you might need to weather early on in 257 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: the season. And also look at those teams that for 258 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: whatever reason, were looked at to be top twelve teams 259 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: that just completely careene out and what happens. Well, So 260 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: here's what I did. Here's the way that I approached it. Sadly, 261 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: because we're looking at the top of the sport with 262 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: a different size bag than they were before. But what 263 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: I did is I went through and I took a 264 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: look at what would the top twelve be per this 265 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: new system if we went all the way back in time. 266 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: So if you went all the way back to twenty fourteen, 267 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: what would that look like? And you'd have Boise State 268 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: getting in as a twelve seed, which is pretty cool. 269 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: You would have Arizona in the in the playoffs, you 270 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: would have Mississippi Study not a G five team, Arizona 271 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: some recent yeah, not a G five team. K State 272 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: would be in it, Baylor would be in it. You 273 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: would have an interesting eclectic mix of teams that were 274 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: not accustomed to seeing in that championship like style set up. 275 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: One team that we both called out as being interesting. 276 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: They weren't obviously in this twelve team field, but Georgia Tech. 277 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, I think, is a really interesting example of 278 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: a team that showed the ability to jump all the 279 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: way up into the top twelve at some point despite 280 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: being unranked to start the season. That was the Paul 281 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: Johnson era. Is pretty much the high water mark for 282 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: the Paul Johnson ear who was Coach of the Year 283 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: in the ACC. I think they went three to nine 284 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: the next season, so it never really got that much 285 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: better for Paul Johnson. But that was a Justin Thomas team, 286 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback, not the golfer. I know it. And think 287 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: about how good Georgia Tech's offense had to be. Now, 288 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: this was it was a down year in the division. 289 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: You know, Virginia Tech and the North Carolina schools. This 290 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: was Virginia Tech, Virginia North Carol Like, these schools were 291 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: down for sure. So it's a matter of there are 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: always going to be windows in the sport. Who is 293 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: bright enough and resilient enough to just crawl through that 294 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: window and say, hey, we can hang out, we can 295 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: hang out. So Georgia Tech's offense that year, I looked 296 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: it up. It was number four points per drive, which 297 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: is incredible. That's a ball control team. So if they're 298 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: scoring a lot, very efficient, very they're unbeatable unless ted 299 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: Roof is coaching a team that was a ted Roof defense, 300 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: and they had two bad losses. Frankly, they kept him 301 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: away from an unbeaten season. They lost to Duke and 302 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: North Carol Line back to back weeks. H And if 303 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: not for those games, perhaps it's a much much different tail. 304 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: But eleven and three. Eleven and three was a pretty 305 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: good deal for playing right there by the way, right 306 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: there for an automatic bid because they were in the 307 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: a SEC championship game, and they lose by two to 308 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: Florida State. So Florida State sneaks by georgiattack and they 309 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: of course end up beating Mississippi State, who opened the 310 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: year at number one in those initial rankings with Dak Prescott. 311 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: But yeah, a fully unranked team in that initial ranking 312 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: ends up where do they end up in the They 313 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: ended up number eleven, twelve, twelve. Yeah, that's ended up twelve. 314 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: So it's doable, right, and we see that. That's the 315 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 1: one thing, I guess to your point that we found 316 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: in looking through pretty much every example since they started 317 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: doing the playoff, there are teams that jump up. There 318 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: are teams that start unranked that jump up. It does 319 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: seem like it is harder for the group of five 320 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: teams you jump up there. We can definitively say that. Yeah, 321 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: we can definitively say that. And it's of course not 322 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: like splitting the atom to come to that conclusion. I 323 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: think we've known that for a long time as people 324 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: who follow the support or watch the sport day in 325 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: and day out. I am curious to see, though, if 326 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: we put a team like a Cincinnati in the playoffs, 327 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 1: maybe they don't go to the semifinals, maybe they win 328 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: a game at home. Sure, what does that mean? They're 329 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: right there with Georgia JT. Daniels Georgia last year. Yeah. 330 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: What does that do for future iterations of the playoff cycle? 331 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: Does it make it a little bit easier for a 332 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: group of five team to have more upward mobility if 333 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: getting to that stage and winning a game proved successful. 334 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: I think it could, even though they claim it shouldn't. 335 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: I think it absolutely could. We didn't really have an 336 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: example outside of Boise that first year in twenty fourteen, 337 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: but Boyse went twelve and two Boise. That was the 338 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Grant Hedrick J. J. I. E. Tom Spurbeck era. That 339 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 1: was year one of Harrison twenty fourteen a Boise State football. 340 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: They're very good twelve to two, and they would have been, 341 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: as I said in this as a number twelve seed 342 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: conference champion. They would have been. And they finished number 343 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: twenty though, right in the final pre Bowl rankings. So 344 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: that's one that's the team that's jumping up considerably and 345 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: supplanting a Power five school, which is fine whatever that 346 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: I mean, that's sort of a the The inclusion idea 347 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: is a major part of why we're going to twelve 348 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: to get that group of five, the highest ranked group 349 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: of five champion in there. But yeah, it was Boise 350 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: State in Game one I think they got They lost 351 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: comfortably to Auburn if memory serves in my research, So 352 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: it makes sense that maybe they were playing at a 353 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: higher level than their ranking would suggest. But it's hard 354 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: to ignore the fact that this committee, which one hundred 355 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: percent is going to adjust how it looks at teams 356 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: through a twelve team lens. Then it was a four 357 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: team lens because six of the team it's already decided 358 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: for them. They have to do half of the work 359 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: essentially as on a percentage basis. So what's going to 360 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: be fascinating is what do the initial rankings look like, 361 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: knowing that the at large bids are going to be 362 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: in such demand now across the sport, And does a 363 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: G five school get early consideration because of a G 364 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: five school is ranked number six. Say it's Cincinnati this year, 365 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: Say it's whoever is ranked sixth or seventh, like Cincinnati 366 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: was last year in that initial ranking, it's going to 367 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: be impossible to keep them out. I mean, it'll be 368 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: possible keep them out if they win their conference, but 369 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: like when you're looking at large schools and they have 370 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: a decent loss or whatever that keeps them from winning 371 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: their conference, it's going to be a lot harder to 372 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: keep them out as an at large school because, I mean, 373 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: leading up to this point, I think five out of 374 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: the first six years, the committee did not rank a 375 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: G five school in the top initial twelve. So there 376 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: is that element of, yeah, you guys need to show 377 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: us a lot more. You guys have nowhere near the 378 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt of these Power five programs. And 379 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: then you have a school like UCF in twenty seventeen, 380 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Initially they have that reputation. Cincinnati certainly a recipient, 381 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: a beneficiary of UCF success on that big stage. It'll 382 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: be fascinating to see what it looks like moving forward, 383 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: because perception becomes reality if a team is in that 384 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: top eight, top six, top four, whatever. Early on in 385 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: the rankings, twenty fifteen was an interesting situation where we 386 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: had no Group of five team in the first top twelve. 387 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: Memphis was number thirteen in the first pole fo Da 388 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch, Jackson Lynch, and there was no G five 389 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: in the final twelve either. The highest G five team 390 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: was Houston and they got up to number eighteen. The 391 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: team that I'm going to talk about hone in on 392 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: is North Carolina, who would have been in the final 393 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: field as well. So this isn't a G five situation. 394 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: Per the CBS article I'm looking at here, North Carolina 395 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: would have been a ten seed and they started the 396 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: year unranked. That was I think you said, Marquise Williams, 397 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: Elijah Hood. That was a good team. That was a 398 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: good team that took Clemson to the wire in the 399 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: ACC Championship. That was a year that Clemson went to 400 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: the title game and lost a very close game against 401 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: Bama forty five to forty. But this is a North 402 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: Carolina team that otherwise would have no shot, but because 403 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: of the way that this new system is set up, 404 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: they would have been tenth. This was also a great 405 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: example this North Carolina team because the twenty fourteen team 406 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: had a lot of that offensive firepower, but their defense 407 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: was atrocious, like one hundred and twenty fourth or something 408 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: in points per drive, and they moved up with the 409 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: help of your boy, mister Noburns. Gene Jiswick to like 410 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: fifty seventh an amazing example of can we get to average? 411 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: Strive for average? Because the way you do make that leap, 412 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: as we talked about with Georgia Tech, and I think 413 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: non ACC teams can do this as well, is you 414 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: either have to be solid all around and just keep 415 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: moving up as people lose and just take care of business, 416 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: or do something excellently enough as your division as the 417 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: teams ahead of you. I mean, this is all obvious stuff, 418 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: but there has to be some hook to why you're 419 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: moving up. It can't only be teams losing ahead of you. 420 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: And the hook for North Carolina was that defense improved 421 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: tremendously to just competent and the offense sort of stayed 422 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: the same. They had playmakers on offense, and I think 423 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: that was when Mitch Trubisky was red shirting. That was 424 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Markus Williams doing a great job. And these are also 425 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: the days of Clemson playing a competitive ACC championship game. 426 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: It seems like a long time ago. Die twenty sixteen. 427 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: If you move ahead again, same deal, no group of 428 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: five team in the first twelve. Western Michigan got up 429 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: to fifteenth at one point. That was PJ. Fleck game day. 430 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: J Fleck, Yeah, PJ Fleck and PJ Fleck in Western 431 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Michigan would have been in this field. They would have 432 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: been in this field. They would have been a twelve seed. 433 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: But they won their conference, they would have been in 434 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: this field. They would have squared off against Ohio State. 435 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: So they had a tough act of tough act there 436 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: in round one with the winner of that game going 437 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: up against Penn State. At Western acquitted themselves really well 438 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: against Wisconsin though right there was a bad first quarter, 439 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: but otherwise really competitive. USC is a team that I 440 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: think showed the upward mobility that you're trying to demonstrate here. 441 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: Dan USC started the year unranked. They finished the year 442 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: in the top twelve. They would have been a nine seed, 443 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: which means that they would have squared off off against 444 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: Wisconsin with the rights to square off against Alabama. So 445 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: tough road, no doubt, but this is a great USC team. 446 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: This is a fun USC team to follow because they 447 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: got smoked by Alabama in Week one, then they go 448 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: on the road lose to Stanford, and I think that's 449 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: when they pulled the trigger and got Max Brown out 450 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: of there and made the move officially over to Sam Darnold, 451 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: and they lost I think in his first game on 452 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: the road to Utah. Started the year one to three, 453 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: but then pretty much ran the table. They did run 454 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: the table all the way through. They they lost. Did 455 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: they lose, No, they beat Washington who made the playoff. Yeah, 456 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: you're right, ran the table, got into that awesome Rose 457 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: Bowl game where they knocked off Penn State fifty two 458 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: to forty nine game. I'll never forget awesome football game. 459 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: It would have been so One of the reasons why 460 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: I like this exercise is because thinking back that USC team, 461 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: that was the USC team that was loaded down. That 462 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: was Sam Darnold, that was Ronald Jones, Juju Smith Schuster, 463 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: Dori Jackson. There were some ballers on the USC team. Oh, 464 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: they had a really nice line. I mean, I think 465 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: Damien Mama was enormous, and Zach Banner played tackle. I 466 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: don't remember. I think Biggie Marshall was on that team 467 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: at the other side of a Dori Jackson. But yeah, 468 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: you're right. This was. It was not just loaded ty. 469 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: It was the prime example of Yeah, you can lay 470 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: a pretty stinky turd in September and just take care 471 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: of business and make the tweaks. Now, it's easier when 472 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: you're at USC and you have an NFL quarterback. But 473 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: that is a bright shining light of something to pay 474 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: attention to for teams that just come out of the 475 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: shoot terribly. Yeah, and it gives us something to play 476 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: for Later on, USC figured it out after they went 477 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: to donald They figured it out and they got a 478 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: lot better. The roseball game was amazing. Go back and 479 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: watch the clips. That game against Penn State was one 480 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: of the one of my favorite games of all time. 481 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: It's an incredible football game. They clearly got better as 482 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: the season war on. In this case, now look squaring 483 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: off against Wisconsin with the rights to play Alabama. They 484 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: were nine seed per this article here again from CBS Sports, 485 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: to at least have the opportunity to play an extra 486 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: game to win, to go up against Alabama to try 487 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: and seek redemption in their case after getting drilled whatever 488 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: it was fifty two to six or something in Week one. 489 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: That's appealing. So I think if you're a USC fan, 490 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, sure, not ranked to start the year, 491 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: got a rough start, but it's possible to work your 492 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: way up into that. There are more examples that we're 493 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about of teams that got off to 494 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: a rocky start and then found a way to bubble 495 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: up and get into that or would have gotten into 496 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: that field of twelve. That was a really good Wisconsin 497 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: team too, by the way, that was Corey Clement. They 498 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: beat Western Michigan, they lost close. I'm pulling it up now. 499 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Their losses during the regular season. That Wisconsin team, which 500 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: is again a nice example to match up with USC. 501 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: It's at Michigan fourteen to seven, lose. It's not a 502 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: great indictment of the Wisconsin offense. And then number two 503 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: Ohio State they lose in overtime. So this is a 504 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: Wisconsin team that was a strong team, had NFL players 505 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: all over the field and would have been fascinating against USC. 506 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: So it's a matchup. Not that you know Corey Davis 507 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: and Western Michigan. I think was Zach Terrell at quarterback 508 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: for Western Michigan, who was good. Not that that wasn't 509 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: also a good story, but we're getting a matchup. It 510 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: feels very rose Bowlish. At the same time, even though 511 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: USC ended up playing a classic against Penn State, there 512 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: is that element to like, Okay, that is a matchup 513 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: that I genuinely would want to watch. They played in 514 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: a Holiday Bowl right around this time. But USC Wisconsin 515 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: with the way that they were able to bounce back 516 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: from you know, early losses for USC and then middle 517 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: of the season against some Juggernauts, Yeah, I'm into it. 518 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: The matchups would have been Western Michigan out Ohio State. 519 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: As I said, Troy Fumagali tie time. You got to 520 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: say that out loud, Florida State at Michigan, Colorado at Oklahoma, 521 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: and USC at Wisconsin. Those are some tasty matchups. Those 522 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: are tasts. We had Florida State Michigan in the Orange 523 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Bowl though, right had it in the Orange at this Yeah, 524 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: taste and matchups there. And then of course we had 525 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: Penn State as the four, Washington Is the three, Clemson 526 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: as the two. Clemson went on to win the national 527 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: championship in twenty sixteen. For the twenty sixteen season, excuse me, 528 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: and Alabama was the number one seed, so well represented 529 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: for the Big Ten. They had four teams at least 530 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: if you're looking back to the twenty sixteen season, that 531 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: would have qualified. Yeah, and that opening rankings, the opening 532 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: College Football playoff rankings, Washington was number five and was 533 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: able to hold even with the loss. They finished at 534 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: twelve to one, and they lost to USC, that USC team, 535 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: but they finished there. And yeah, the offense left a 536 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: little bit to be desired. But Washington another player in 537 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: this right. If you look the next year or a 538 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: couple of years down the line, Washington is twenty eighteen 539 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: old gun jumper. Yeah, twenty seventeen. I know you'll be 540 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: shocked to hear this, But no group of five school 541 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: in the initial first twelve the highest was f. UCF 542 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: was eighteenth in the first they made it all the 543 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: way up to twelve. UCF went thirteen to oh that year. 544 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: This was the quote unquote national championship year for Golden Knights. 545 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: This is Mackenzie Milton forty seven hundred yards from scrimmage, 546 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: forty five total touchdowns. This was Scott Frost his swan 547 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: song if you will, at UCF before he bolted for Nebraska. 548 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: This was a UCF team that, per this new system, 549 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: would have played Alabama in the first round. Alabama with 550 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: the rights to play Ohio State. So look, if you're 551 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: a group of five team, ount care who you are, 552 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: your group of five team. If you make this thing, 553 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: your first round game is gonna be really hard, your 554 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: next round game is gonna be even harder. Right, it 555 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: would not have done UCF any favors square off against 556 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: in Alabama Ohio State combo, no doubt about that. There's 557 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: just no way around that. But again, what about it? 558 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: The ability to play in the game is I think 559 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: what's most significant here. If I remember correctly, twenty seventeen, 560 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: the Alabama defense was disgustingly good. They were the fourth seed, 561 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: weren't they In twenty seventeen? Were they think their offense? 562 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: They made it as a full down, they made it 563 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: as a four. They lost the Iron Bowl to Auburn, Right, 564 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: and that was the year that I think DeAndre francois 565 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: they hurt him, not hurt him, but he was injured 566 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: in that opening game as well. Yeah, they were good, 567 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: but they were not. That would have been Jalen Hurts 568 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: this year, right, yep? Yes, and then Tua came in 569 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: right right, right, right, Okay, that would have been fun UCF. 570 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: That sort of firepower, and that was a more just 571 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: because I remember Jalen Hurts not having the confidence to 572 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: go downfield near the end of that year. It was 573 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: a lot of checkdown, it was a lot of running. 574 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't think UCF wins that game, but it's a 575 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: tasty matchup. It's for sure a tasty matchup. And those 576 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: UCF defenses were actually pretty great, so that's interesting. Yeah, 577 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: UCF is that team that they I think they were 578 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: really laying the lumber early on in the year, which 579 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: is why they were that highest ranked Chief five team 580 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: in those initial rankings, and people felt good. You know, 581 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Scott Frost background at Oregon and he came in and 582 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: really Mackenzie Milton took off pretty quickly. So yeah, I'm 583 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: appreciative that UCF team laid a lot of groundwork for 584 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: what we now want the best of the G five 585 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 1: to be on a big stage. The twenty eighteen version 586 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: of the twelve team playoff would have been very interesting. Okay, 587 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: so this is UCF. Unlike the previous trend line where 588 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: we had no group of five in the top twelve, 589 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: UCF started twelve, they finished eighth, and they would have 590 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: made this as an eight seed we'll talk about that 591 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: in a second. They would have squared off against Washington, 592 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: who you talked about earlier as maybe the ultimate jumper 593 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: of all the teams that we looked at Washington that 594 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: year in twenty eighteen, and you probably remember this a 595 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 1: lot better than I do. They lost a game twelve 596 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: to ten to cow Man, and Jake Browning got benched. 597 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: He got benched for another Jake if you can Jake Forest, 598 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: this is in yeah, of course, in the middle of 599 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: Jake Forest. They lose twelve to ten. They fall to 600 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: a mark of six and three, and they bought them out. 601 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: They were fifteenth going into that game. They bought them out. 602 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: They fall all the way out of the top twenty five. 603 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: But then they win their last three, including the Apple Cup, 604 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: which was over number seven Washington State, if memory serves, 605 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: they vault all the way back up. They win the 606 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: PAC twelve, They win the PAC twelve North, they beat 607 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: Utah for the PAC twelve. They end up playing in 608 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. It got them all the way up 609 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,479 Speaker 1: to number nine in the polls before the bowl game. 610 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: So per this scenario, this is maybe the best case 611 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: for this new playoff system. They lose a dumb one 612 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: middle of the season, they've got a couple games left. 613 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: They went out impressively. So in this setup they would 614 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: have squared off against UCF eight versus nine in the playoff. 615 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: The game would have been played in Orlando with the 616 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: rights to play Alabama. So again knowing being no great environment. 617 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: Now I'm being done any favors here, but prove positive 618 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: that you can drop a dumb one at some point, 619 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: even mid seas, drop all the way out of the polls, 620 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: and still if things go in your favor, find a 621 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: way back into this thing. That Washington team, so that 622 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: was another one of those pseudo referendums on the PAC twelve. 623 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: They get that chance to Auburn, much in the way 624 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: that Oregon got to play Auburn in that opening week, 625 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: and we're like, all right, let's you know, Washington recent 626 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: playoff team. You have a senior quarterback and Jake Browning, 627 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: a defense that's been producing NFL players. Let's see what 628 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: we can do in I think the game was in 629 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: Atlanta that opening week game. I believe Washington scored a 630 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: touchdown in that game, and there was some There was 631 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: a questionable non call as Jake Browning was knocked out 632 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: and nothing was called in terms of like an unnecessary 633 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: roughness if memory serves. But that's the sort of reputation 634 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: game you mentioned. The col game in which they benched 635 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: Jake Browning, which is never good when you're benching a 636 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: senior quarterback. They lose to Oregon after missing a field 637 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: goal and Oregon punches it in at the end of 638 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: the game with CJ. Verdell. But yeah, you get all 639 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: time Jimmy Lake trash talking when Washington wins the Apple Cup, 640 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: when he essentially says, I don't know, they just keep 641 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: doing the same thing on offense, and we just keep 642 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: doing the same thing on defense, and we just keep winning. 643 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. Listen, listen to the teams that would 644 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: have been I'm sorry, continue, I'm just looking by my 645 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: final I'm blown away. My final point was just the 646 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: degree of difficulty to get to the Rose Bowl the 647 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: way that Washington season went, which is great because they're 648 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: weathering these games whether they play well or they don't 649 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: play well. They win the Pac twelve championship game, a 650 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: game in which there are zero offensive touchdowns scored. Right, 651 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: Just the degree of difficulty for Washington State doing this 652 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get lucky. You're gonna have to 653 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: win some what do we call them, tyme? We call 654 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: them clunkers in season, But you gotta win your clunkers. 655 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: And Washington most certainly did that sometimes that year, and 656 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: because of everything happening around them, they were able to 657 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: find themselves back in contention. And Washington, I think a 658 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: respected school, but by no means like a Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, 659 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Texas always getting the benefit of the doubt nationally because 660 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: of their brand, identity or whatever. Washington was able to 661 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: just sort of creep up, and good for them, give 662 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: themselves a second chance. Absolutely good for them. Listen to 663 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: this freakin' field eighteen. I listen to the teams that 664 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: would have been in this thing. We would have had 665 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: number twelve Penn State at number five, Notre Dame with 666 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: the Winter playing Ohio State, number eleven. Been to that game, Yeah, 667 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: so have I. Number eleven LSU on the road at 668 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: Georgia winner scoring off against Oklahoma, number ten Florida at 669 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: number seven Michigan winner scoring off against Clemson, and number 670 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: nine Washington against UCF Winter playing Alabama. What's interesting about 671 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: that matchup? You know, UCF was in the middle of 672 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: an incredible two year run there. They went twelve to 673 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: one that year. Josh Hypel took over after Scott Frost 674 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: went to Nebraska. Mackenzie Milton got hurt very badly. He 675 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: hasn't played since he needed reaching the USF game right 676 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: USF game, need a reconstructive knee surgery, suffered nerve damage. 677 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: Hopefully he gets back to full speed this year when 678 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: he plays for Florida State. If he plays for Florida State. 679 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: But will he probably will, Let's be honest, he is. Yeah, 680 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: this would have been Dariel mack against her Washington. So Washington, 681 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: despite all of the hooplah in the middle of the season, 682 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: bottoming out coming back to life, probably would have had 683 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: a really good chance of winning a first round game 684 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: against UCF with a backup quarterback. Yeah, but UCF they 685 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: scored like sixty points in the American Championship game. I 686 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: mean it's it was Memphis defense. I understand that this 687 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: is you know, Washington secondary was on a different level 688 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: than where Memphis was. But that would have been fun 689 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: because if there was a definitive weakness to that Washington team, 690 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: it was generating points. It was generating explosion plays and 691 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: UCF was still kind of doing that. Matt couldn't move, 692 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: He wasn't the most accurate passer, but he could move. 693 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: He turned that team into at least a really respectable 694 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: version of itself under Mackenzie Milton, with being a lot 695 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: more green than Mackenzie Milton. So, yeah, and you said 696 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: that would have been in Orlando, correct, in Orlando, Yeah, So, 697 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 1: which would have been amazing, amazing. The environment there would 698 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: have been fantastic. It's amazing. Twenty nineteen, Yeah, no, group 699 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: of five team in the top twelve. What to start out, 700 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: The highest was number seventeen, Memphis. Memphis eventually worked its 701 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: way up into the equation. Here. We've noted that the 702 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: first and last teams are identical, except Wisconsin moving up 703 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: to number eight and Bama falling out all the way 704 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: to number thirteen at one point, right, Wisconsin's an interesting 705 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: circumstance here. Wisconsin went twelve or excuse me, ten and four. 706 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: This was a Jack Cone Jonathan Taylor tail back year. 707 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: They worked their way up into this thing. Late. They 708 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: would have been at eight seeds scoring off against Florida. 709 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: They would have had a home game in Madison, which 710 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: would have been pretty cool. Also in this field, remember 711 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen was a Joe Burrow year. Nobody was topping LSU. 712 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: I contend, but there would have been some crazy matchups. 713 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: So we would have had a true twelve five matchup 714 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: like you get in the NCAA tournament between Memphis and 715 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: the George Bulldogs. You would have had a number eleven 716 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: Utah squad going on the road to Eugene squaring off 717 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: against interesting. It's just a conference matchup number ten Penn 718 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: State at Baylor and number nine at number nine Florida 719 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: at number eight Wisconsin, with the winner scoring off against LSU. 720 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: So this is the first one I feel like in 721 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: looking back that the top four would have just been 722 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: far and away superior, if only because LSU was so 723 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: good that year. Nobody was LSU. I also noticed that 724 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: the opening top twelve was almost identical just in the 725 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: terms of the teams there. It was almost identical to 726 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: the finishing top twelve. You know, they nailed it. They 727 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: moved around a ton. You know, Wisconsin enters, Alabama loses, 728 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 1: and I know we were talking in the discord about, 729 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, looking back and how teams would be evaluated. 730 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: There's no way in hell a two loss Alabama team 731 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: would be left out of being an at large team 732 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: in a twelve team playoff, which they were in these rankings, 733 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 1: because the rankings meant something different. So that's it's interesting 734 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: that the context is going to change where ranking Alabama 735 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: where they ranked, and they didn't play in a New 736 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: Year six game. They ended up playing in a bowl 737 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: game against Michigan. I believe that year that was when 738 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: Mac Jones stepped in when Tua goes down. But we're 739 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: now talking about Alabama. Likely even though they finished thirteen, 740 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: somehow the math would have worked out. The defenses would 741 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: have been thrown out into the ether that oh no, 742 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: Alabama's eleven righted this out right. And so that's the 743 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: way the calculus changes in twenty nineteen, where we're now 744 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: looking at large teams instead of well, it doesn't matter 745 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: where we rank Alabama because we already have a playoff 746 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: team and a New Year six team from the SEC. 747 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 1: So that becomes interesting. But yeah, we're just looking back 748 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: based on the rankings as they already exist, not as 749 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: they hypothetically could exist when there's playoff berths on the line. 750 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: After the top four, and then that brings us to 751 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. Yeah, full of quirks, no doubt 752 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: about it, No doubt about it, dude with it. In 753 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: this series of rankings, we would have number twelve Coastal 754 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: Carolina on the road at Notre Dame in Week one, 755 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: with the winner squaring off against Oklahoma. Number eleven Indiana 756 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: Dan making a playoff appearance on the road at A 757 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: and M winner against Ohio State. Indiana would be interested 758 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: in that matchup. H Number ten Iowa State at Florida 759 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: with the winner against Clemson, and number nine Georgia at 760 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: Cincinnati winner against Alabama. Now, look, twenty twenty was a 761 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: very strange year. We did a whole thing on it, 762 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: some of you even listened to it. But you know, 763 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: this is I think the beauty in this Indiana, Iowa State, Cincinnati, 764 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina. These are teams that generally would not be 765 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: in the conversation for the college football National Championship. So 766 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: the fact that they're mentioned here and that teams of 767 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: that stature have a chance is pretty cool. Now, the 768 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina thing, is that another situation where the committee 769 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: would have been like, yeah, you know, maybe we'll just 770 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: give it to North Carolina, right, or the rule wasn't 771 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: in place. If the rule wasn't in place, like May, 772 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: maybe we'll shift some things round. I don't know. Yeah, 773 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: I think they would have given it. There has to 774 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: be such a like coast So Carolina was really fun 775 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: and really entertaining. But the problem is, you remember the 776 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 1: old digital short at the SNL Digital Short. I don't 777 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: know the name of it. I don't remember the name 778 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: of the superhero, but Andy Samberg played a superhero and 779 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: there was a whole preamble song how like I Am 780 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: the Night I'm always watching, like a big dramatic superhero song, 781 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: and then he confronts like a mugger or some sort 782 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: of criminal on the street who just beats the ever 783 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: loving piss at where it's just like this pig dramatic 784 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: hero and then it just there's just obliteration. That's what 785 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm worried about here. That's what I'm worried about with 786 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 1: a school. I don't think it would have happened to Cincinnati, 787 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: because we saw them compete with Georgie and have a 788 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: chance to beat Georgia. But you start getting into coastal Carolina, 789 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: you start getting into a max school who runs the 790 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: table and hangs around that top twelve. That's why if 791 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: we get who did you say was the number five team, 792 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,879 Speaker 1: it was like A and M. Notre Dame would have been. 793 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: Notre Dame would have been. Wait, but Notre Dame made 794 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: the playoff per this, they've been number five for this 795 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: CBS thing. It's because Notre Dame doesn't make doesn't make 796 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 1: the top four, they don't get a buy in this system. 797 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: Not name would not get a buy in the system, 798 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: which further only further illustrates my point that they're going 799 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: to have to join a conference as a result of this. 800 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: But that's another topic for another day. People are mixed. 801 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people say Notre Dame is 802 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: a big winner here because they don't have to play 803 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: a conference championship game and they get in. I don't know, 804 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: but they're not. They're not in this in this scenario. 805 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: If they play against Coastal Carolina, they are, But more 806 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: often than not, they're going to have to play somebody, 807 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, just as difficult as anyone they'd play in 808 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: a conference championship. So I guess if your point is 809 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 1: to get into the playoff to get just get there 810 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 1: and then deal with it once you get there. Fine, 811 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,439 Speaker 1: but I feel the long term prospect of maybe having 812 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: that first round by is worth more. So. Yeah, I 813 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really need to go on and 814 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: on about Notre Dame. What I'm fascinated by though, in 815 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: this situation right where you have Cincinnati, what did they 816 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: finish number eight in the final pre Bowl rankings and 817 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: then Coastal was number twelve, So in Coastal they didn't 818 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: play their conference championship game. Strange or whatever? How do 819 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: you parse teams? So say UAB goes twelve and oh 820 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: or thirteen and oh after winning a conference championship, but 821 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: Cincinnati loses to somebody amazing in the non conference part 822 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: of the schedule and just obliterate everybody else in the 823 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 1: American and finish eleven or twelve and one or eleven 824 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: and two or something. But clearly, given the level of competition, 825 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: given whatever it is that Cincinnati or SMU or like, 826 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: if a team, if a G five team appears to 827 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: be way better but they have a loss than a 828 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: team in what is perceived to be at least a 829 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: weaker Group of five conference, is the committee going to say, yes, 830 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: we're putting this eleven and two team or ranking them 831 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: ahead of this thirteen and oh team. I don't know. 832 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: That's going to be fascinating because there's going to be 833 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: a case that like, Okay, how do you not let 834 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina and how do you not let UAB and 835 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: how do you not let whoever? In? After going undefeated? 836 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: A team has done everything that you've asked of them, 837 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 1: but you still don't fully trust. Maybe they had a 838 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: lot of close calls to subpar teams, whatever, but they 839 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: win them. Does the committee have the stones to rank 840 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,760 Speaker 1: them behind what they perceive to be a much better 841 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: two loss team. That's going to be fascinating because the 842 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: whole idea of including the G five has rested in 843 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: teams like Boise, TCU, Utah now most recently UCF running 844 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: the table and doing everything that's been asked of them 845 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 1: and they haven't been able to get in. And then 846 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: you're going to have one of these teams. I know 847 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: it's going to be a case by case thing, but 848 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: it'll be fascinating to see if the committee does have 849 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,439 Speaker 1: the stones to keep out an undefeated Group of five 850 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: championship team. Right, Well, if anybody's got the stone, just 851 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: Bill Hancock. We know that Bill Hancock has nothing but stones. No, 852 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't know. I'm curious to see what 853 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: happens next. So, as you said at the top, where 854 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: this thing is headed, I think it's been approved ready. 855 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: They're approving the plan to move forward with it and 856 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: examine what to do next. We'll have to see how 857 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: quickly they feel they can implement this. Bill Hancock is 858 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: on the record saying it's certainly not gonna be this 859 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: year or next year, but it could happen as early 860 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: as twenty twenty three. My guess is they would probably 861 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: look to do it that soon. They would do it 862 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: that quickly if at all possible. But we'll see where 863 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: it goes. There will definitely be a lot more to 864 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: be told on this very story. But it is interesting 865 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: to look back over the course of the playoff era 866 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: and see some of these teams that would have been 867 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: part of the playoff. Some team's not part of the 868 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: playoff Texas, Texas decidedly not back to the point where 869 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: they would not have been in this thing at all, 870 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 1: which if you can't make the time even the Sugar 871 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: Bowl year, they wouldn't have made it Texas they beat Georgia, 872 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: and the Sugar Bowl would not have been in any 873 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: of these years. Huh what was their final So that 874 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: would have been what twenty was at seventeen or eighteen. Yeah, 875 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen season they went ten to four and 876 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: that includes the Sugar Bowl win. That's wild. I didn't 877 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,320 Speaker 1: realize that they're probably the highest profile team that would 878 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 1: not have had a presence here. Like if you look 879 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: at I think it was the twenty fifteen Houston team 880 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: that you mentioned Greg Ward team was solid. There was 881 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: Greg Ward and that was oh god. They had two 882 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: really good linebackers that were just like Havoc machines. Steven 883 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,320 Speaker 1: Taylor was one of them, a Landon Roberts I believe 884 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 1: was the second one. God, I hope that's right. That 885 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 1: would be really impressive if I'm nailing Houston linebackers from 886 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,879 Speaker 1: way back when that was a team that took down 887 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: good teams plural. They took down what both Louisville and 888 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: and Florida State in the bowl game, and then another 889 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: year they beat Oklahoma. This was a team that eventually, 890 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 1: I mean Tom Herma and had you know, famously ready 891 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: to play in those big games whatever as underdogs, but 892 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: they were solid on both sides of the ball. Kenneth Farrow, 893 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: come on, ty, lets it back and all your memory banks. 894 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: He was recruited, he was you know, he didn't play. 895 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: Major Apple Oy was the offensive coordinator eventually took over 896 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: and then there was that weird like walk off the 897 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: field major Apple White issue with at Oliver. But no, 898 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: the town level is extremely high. Tom Herman recruited on 899 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 1: a high level. Houston is one of those teams that 900 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 1: if they find their next Tom Herman, whenever that is, 901 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be Dana Holgerson spoiler alert, 902 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,720 Speaker 1: but they're one of those teams that if they recruit 903 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: on the high level, being where they are geographically, that 904 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: is a team that I think people would and I 905 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: feel this way about Cincinnati given how well they performed 906 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,919 Speaker 1: as a Big East team. I feel that obviously feel 907 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 1: this way about UCF. But Houston is that not necessarily 908 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: sleeping giant, but high ceiling G five team that I 909 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: think would be more like more encouraging than most if 910 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: they were to make a playoff in terms of how 911 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: competitive they could be because I think their talent level 912 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,360 Speaker 1: ceiling is really interesting. Some other teams that aren't in this, 913 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: Miami know where to be found, Tennessee nowhere to be found. 914 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: So obviously some big name programs, some big name programs, 915 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,360 Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. Wow, Miami would not have 916 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: made it in the turnover chain here because they made 917 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 1: the ACC Championship, but it was not pretty. No, all right? Well, ok, 918 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,919 Speaker 1: fun taking a trip down memory lane. M hmm. Right 919 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: in sliverbogmail dot com. Here is what we're gonna do 920 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram. We're gonna play a little game. Okay, those 921 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,879 Speaker 1: who are interested, we've been encouraging folks to go out 922 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 1: there and follow our Instagram account. Are you familiar with 923 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,280 Speaker 1: the story thing, the story featured Dan, I am, you're 924 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 1: familiar with this. It's what yep, the kids are doing 925 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,280 Speaker 1: these days. Let's pick a year and let's go through 926 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: and do the little pole thing. You can pick the 927 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,960 Speaker 1: hypothetical matchups, so we'll take maybe we'll take the twenty 928 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: twenty season. Why not take the twenty twenty season, and 929 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: we'll pit Coastal Carolina against Notre Dame, Indiana against Day 930 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: and m Iowa State Florida. Georgia Cincinnati. We'll run that 931 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,919 Speaker 1: for the next few days. Let's get our hypothetical winner. Look, 932 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be Alabama, but let's go through the 933 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,759 Speaker 1: paces here. Let's do our little mock brown. Do we 934 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: want to find the winner or do we want to 935 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: find the most intriguing opening round matchup? That would do 936 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,800 Speaker 1: the most intriguing opening round matchups? Shut to me is 937 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 1: more interesting, So what we'll do? Yeah? So who is 938 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 1: it for twenty twenty for you? The most intriguing opening 939 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: round matchup? Yes? So you skip out the playoff teams. 940 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: I guess you're swapping. Who are you swapping? Notre Dame's 941 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: out and who's in A and M. No, I'm looking 942 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: at the matchups as they are presently constituted here right, 943 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: So I'm saying, who what are the four teams that 944 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,520 Speaker 1: got the buy in twenty twenty? The four teams that 945 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: got the buy were Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma, 946 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 1: which means it was Coast of Carolina homes Coastal Carolina 947 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 1: against Notre Dame, Indiana against A and M, Iowa State 948 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,839 Speaker 1: at Florida. That's my interesting matchup? Or Georgia against Cincinnati. Yeah, 949 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: I would take Iowa State Florida just because of the 950 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,879 Speaker 1: Iowa State defense. If very call correctly, they limited big 951 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,440 Speaker 1: plays pretty well. And Florida is actually going to get 952 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: Kyle Traft for four quarters as he did not play 953 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 1: in the bowl game. We'll get a more loaded you'll 954 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: get Kadarius Tony, We'll get Kyle Pitts, We'll get that. 955 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what Kyle Pitts's health situation was, 956 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: but if you remember correctly, that bowl game against Oklahoma 957 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,440 Speaker 1: was not pretty no for Florida because they were not 958 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 1: playing their players, and so we had the opt outs 959 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: for the draft, et cetera. So if you did have 960 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: those stakes, you probably get a full strength Florida offense 961 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: to its best ability against Yeah, that Iowa State defense. Yeah, 962 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 1: I think that's my most intriguing as well. We'll put 963 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 1: that up there for people to vote on. Yeah, sOliver 964 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: Bowl is our handle on Instagram, fin us at Facebook, 965 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter as well, and don't forget to go on 966 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: out to Verballers dot com or you can find our 967 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,399 Speaker 1: Patreon do all sorts of cool stuff out there. As 968 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,320 Speaker 1: I said at the top, we've got a lot more 969 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,359 Speaker 1: come in your way. I promise you, so stay tuned. 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Same for that 986 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,840 Speaker 1: guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubenstein, form myself, 987 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 1: Tie Hildebrand. We will talk to you all in a 988 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: few days. In the meantime, stay solid, fun, show peace,