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Speaker 1: Welcome home, everybody. This is this week's mini pod.
Speaker 2: I know y'all are dying to hear what.
Speaker 1: Were talking about, uh before we actually get into the
Speaker 1: topic for this week, If it's okay with my co
Speaker 1: host again, I'm Andrew Gillum. I'm joined here by some
Speaker 1: other people.
Speaker 2: I think that is that.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that dude is, but his title
Speaker 1: on my computer says that's Bacari Sellers.
Speaker 2: Welcome Bakari to this episode. I'm messing with y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all. We wanted to get into some questions. One in particular, actually,
Speaker 1: and that is around does the talk still work? And
Speaker 1: when we say the talk, we're talking about what probably
Speaker 1: all of us can reflect on from our childhood, at
Speaker 1: least certainly people of color and and and black boys
Speaker 1: in particular, when your parents or someone meetingful in your
Speaker 1: life sat you down and said this is what you do,
Speaker 1: this is what you don't do, particularly as it relates
Speaker 1: to law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Our talk was broader a little bit broader than just.
Speaker 1: The police it was also adults period.
Speaker 2: It was also about people who touch you.
Speaker 1: It was also about how you scream out for help,
Speaker 1: what was appropriate, what was right, what wasn't. So we
Speaker 1: want to we want to delve into that. But before
Speaker 1: we do, we've got a really important update from a
Speaker 1: topic that you know. Frankly, depending on where you each
Speaker 1: your news, some of us have heard from, others have not,
Speaker 1: but we all need to know.
Speaker 2: Take a listen.
Speaker 3: Hello, Nady Bland. My name is Gloria al So. Tanzania
Speaker 3: was in the news a lot towards the end of
Speaker 3: last year. There were questions surrounding the election, which kept
Speaker 3: sama has sign in power, and reports of protests being
Speaker 3: met with heavy state response. Human rights groups and independent
Speaker 3: observers documented loss of life. Two weeks later, President Hassan
Speaker 3: announced the creation of a Commission of Inquiry to investigate
Speaker 3: those who lost their lives, which does confirm that people
Speaker 3: in fact lost their lives. Now some have questioned this commission,
Speaker 3: wondering if Samya should have been involved in selecting those
Speaker 3: who will be investigating. And we're still waiting on the
Speaker 3: results of that inquiry.
Speaker 1: By the way.
Speaker 3: Then, on Tanzania's Independence Day, which was December ninth, the
Speaker 3: streets were quiet, public gatherings were limited. Even social media
Speaker 3: accounts of some activists rallying people to protests were taken down. However,
Speaker 3: the government and its supporters have said that reports of
Speaker 3: repression are exaggerated and driven by foreign influence. And only
Speaker 3: a few days ago President Hassan apologized for the internet
Speaker 3: shutdown that happened after the election, saying it was a
Speaker 3: necessary step to protect national order. But what makes this
Speaker 3: moment so significance is not just what happened, but how
Speaker 3: Tanzanians are responding. On one side, citizens are defending the state.
Speaker 3: On the other side are those who do want to speak,
Speaker 3: but they feel unsafe doing so, and because the people
Speaker 3: are divided, they cannot collectively demand good governance. It is
Speaker 3: what happens anywhere when power is no longer a question. Well,
Speaker 3: thank you so much Native Land for having me and
Speaker 3: for creating space for Africa in this conversation.
Speaker 4: Love that, you know, I just angela, Yeah, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to shout out really quickly. We started following what
Speaker 4: was going on in Tanzania around the elections, you know,
Speaker 4: before the end of the year in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: and I learned a lot. Was just completely immersed in
Speaker 4: what was happening. Had some experts come on, including a
Speaker 4: woman who is a Kenyan observer. I went over to
Speaker 4: Tanzania to watch what happened in the elections and nearly
Speaker 4: lost her life. I wanted to shout out Gloria for
Speaker 4: giving us that update. I think it's so important for us.
Speaker 4: We say native lampod and welcome home, y'all. We want
Speaker 4: to create a virtual space for all of us of
Speaker 4: African descent throughout the diaspora to share what's happening, to
Speaker 4: keep us informed and absolutely to let us know if
Speaker 4: there are things that we can do differently to uplift
Speaker 4: and support the work that you all are doing. So
Speaker 4: thank you, Gloria.
Speaker 1: Well done, well done, well done, We'll done.
Speaker 5: That was educational to me. I mean I got to
Speaker 5: go back and do my research on Tanzania. Sometimes I
Speaker 5: get the news of the day that's right here. I
Speaker 5: mean we got here at home, measles out and breaking
Speaker 5: South Carolina like it's hard. Sometimes you get blinded and
Speaker 5: realize that as a part of the dia ask where,
Speaker 5: if nothing else, you should read some shit so you're
Speaker 5: at least knowledgeable about the pain that others are suffering
Speaker 5: and going through.
Speaker 2: So thank you for that. That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all, we'll move just real quickly into this into
Speaker 1: this other question about the talk.
Speaker 2: I said a little bit about what.
Speaker 1: The talk was for me and our household and our family.
Speaker 1: Bakari Angela. I know, Angela to you, but also you
Speaker 1: you got an older your your baby sister to an
Speaker 1: older brother and so and a dad and mom activists,
Speaker 1: so we could be more broadened in y'all's household too.
Speaker 1: Butkar what was it like for you?
Speaker 2: What was the talk?
Speaker 5: Well, it's not just the talk, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 5: also just others, like we don't like I don't buy
Speaker 5: my kids toy guns. They don't have they don't have
Speaker 5: the NERF guns or anything like that. My parents didn't
Speaker 5: buy it for me. It was always this feeling that, no,
Speaker 5: we didn't want any miss interpretations. We don't want any
Speaker 5: accidents happening to black children because we don't get the
Speaker 5: benefit of our youth. You know, Donald Trump Junior and
Speaker 5: what's the other one, Donald Trump Eric?
Speaker 2: They are they are.
Speaker 1: Something other than eminently punishable.
Speaker 5: Well, I said that one time he got sued by kids.
Speaker 5: I can't say that no more, but they are. I
Speaker 5: said a kid had a punchable face, and they sued me.
Speaker 5: But let's let's actually let's actually roll roll a question
Speaker 5: so people can see where this came from.
Speaker 6: What's up, Native Land? Welcome home? This is Craig and Brooklyn.
Speaker 6: I guess my question has to do with, you know,
Speaker 6: the talk that you always have fathers and sons, specifically
Speaker 6: black fathers and sons always have to have about what
Speaker 6: to do when they encounter law enforcement. Well, the stakes
Speaker 6: have gone significant, are significantly uh higher. Now I can't
Speaker 6: make Hesit tells what's going on and so many things
Speaker 6: coming at us from day to day. So specifically, put
Speaker 6: the guys on the panel.
Speaker 2: What would you suggest.
Speaker 6: How we modify that discussion that we have. I mean,
Speaker 6: I have a fifteen year old myself, so yeah, I
Speaker 6: would love.
Speaker 2: Some suggestions on what's gotta tell you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Thanks now, good to see you, Craig. Greg got off
Speaker 1: the stoop. I think the last time we saw him
Speaker 1: he was sitting on the steps.
Speaker 5: Craig, let me say something that is somewhat the antithesis
Speaker 5: to this podcast, the antithesis to our upbringing and the
Speaker 5: antithesis to what we echo a lot of times in
Speaker 5: our rabble rousing Matthew chair flipping over shaking, the kind
Speaker 5: of orbit that we live in, and my conversations with
Speaker 5: my children, as I would advise anybody to have, are
Speaker 5: very very selfish when dealing with law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Your number one priorities should be to come home. Period.
Speaker 5: I am overly focused on my children and having interactions
Speaker 5: with law enforcement number one that allows them safety to
Speaker 5: come home, and number two transparency. I know a lot
Speaker 5: of times when people interact with law enforcement, the first
Speaker 5: they didn't want to say is fuck you. I'm an American,
Speaker 5: this is wrong, this is unconstitutional. You know you're already
Speaker 5: agitating the situation, you're escalating. Ain't nothing about this de escalation.
Speaker 5: Don't get your hands on me. I'm an American. Blah
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah. And I know that people find
Speaker 5: some level of disappointment in these remarks because what we're
Speaker 5: seeing in our streets right now is anything but saying,
Speaker 5: is anything but sanctified, is anything but constitutional. But I'm
Speaker 5: very selfish when it comes to my children, and I
Speaker 5: tell them all the time my number one priority is
Speaker 5: them For them to come home. The best advice my
Speaker 5: dad ever gave me was when the police get behind you.
Speaker 5: This is a very South Carolina thing. It's not necessarily
Speaker 5: applies in big cities, but it may. We have a
Speaker 5: lot of dark roads, you know. I was driving a
Speaker 5: Chrysler three hundred, and you know, every time you get
Speaker 5: on a dark road, police get behind you. My dad said,
Speaker 5: call nine one one immediately. So I would call nine
Speaker 5: one one. I would let them know that I'm driving,
Speaker 5: you have an officer behind me, and I'm going to
Speaker 5: a welled area, and I would pull up at a
Speaker 5: gas station or something like that. One, so they knew
Speaker 5: I wasn't fleeing. Two, so they knew I wasn't a
Speaker 5: problem in three, so that I could do the number
Speaker 5: one goal, a priority that my parents taught me, which
Speaker 5: was to come home. I think there's a place for protests.
Speaker 5: I think there's a place for coming home.
Speaker 1: You know that piece, that last piece you mentioned on
Speaker 1: the on the dark roads. My parents said the same thing,
Speaker 1: and it was except they said slow down to a
Speaker 1: slow that is still moving and turn your hazard lights
Speaker 1: on so that they know you're not trying to flee,
Speaker 1: that you're not trying to escape you and go somewhere.
Speaker 1: And but Kari, I don't think you are out of
Speaker 1: the normal. When you say your expectation is selfish, Craig,
Speaker 1: asking this question is asking for selfish reasons. Anything that
Speaker 1: I say in offering would be from a selfish perspective.
Speaker 1: In fact, I was going to say, first off, Craig,
Speaker 1: he has kid, you know, has a son who he
Speaker 1: ought to be teaching us the lessons of what he said.
Speaker 1: You know, when he said fifteen year old, I almost
Speaker 1: shuddered because I'm thinking, godly, I got an eleven year
Speaker 1: old boy and girl, and I don't want them to
Speaker 1: be fifteen yet, you know, And I'm looking down the
Speaker 1: pipe and knowing that that's coming. And for me, all
Speaker 1: of these talks, this one and then the range of
Speaker 1: others are always being balanced around not trying to rob
Speaker 1: them of their kid ears, their youth, the stuff that
Speaker 1: white kids get without question, right, they can play with
Speaker 1: toy guns and water guns and all those kind of things.
Speaker 1: But I'm like you, we don't have them in our house.
Speaker 1: And if you bring one, you you know something, just
Speaker 1: like you don't bring white barbies to my daughter forgets.
Speaker 2: Oh please, God, so.
Speaker 1: I get most frustrated by the world we live in
Speaker 1: when I think about all of the innocence that get
Speaker 1: stripped from our babies, from our kids. I take my
Speaker 1: kids to the park on the weekends a lot. We
Speaker 1: just was there this weekend at the park and again
Speaker 1: on MLK Day, and I'm remembering distinctly this one neighborhood park.
Speaker 1: It's a great part, very wonderfully tried, and that's something
Speaker 1: you look for when you outside in the summer time
Speaker 1: in Florida. But it's also populated by a lot of
Speaker 1: white families and older white folks who walk in the area.
Speaker 1: And I remember showing up. We were clearly not of
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. We had come into the neighborhood driven and
Speaker 1: kids get out of the car, and as we're walking
Speaker 1: up to the park, you know, people start to pause
Speaker 1: and they turn and for different reasons, they're looking at us, obviously,
Speaker 1: and these two white women who were walking, they come
Speaker 1: to a stop and they lean down and they are
Speaker 1: asking my kids their names and where do they want
Speaker 1: to do when they grow up, and obviously these cute
Speaker 1: and oh she's just adorable, and all this kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and all I could think during that interaction was they're
Speaker 1: a durable now, and I'm just curious in your mind,
Speaker 1: when do they become a threat?
Speaker 2: When do you cross the street? Which or purse?
Speaker 1: When do you lock your door when you see them
Speaker 1: on approach?
Speaker 2: And I got it angry.
Speaker 1: I sort of had into indignantness, and I think it
Speaker 1: probably showed in my interaction then with the two women afterwards,
Speaker 1: says all I kept thinking about was when do my
Speaker 1: beautiful boys become.
Speaker 2: A threat to you?
Speaker 1: When do you call the police on them because they're
Speaker 1: in the wrong place, in the wrong neighborhood. They don't
Speaker 1: live here and they're loitering. When do they stop being
Speaker 1: the kids who are just here for play and now
Speaker 1: they are a dangerous element to society at least through
Speaker 1: your life ends? And I cried so hard in the car,
Speaker 1: you know, they started playing ball and I kind of
Speaker 1: went back and I can still see them, but I
Speaker 1: was really angry by it because and this was stuff
Speaker 1: was going on in the country as well, and I
Speaker 1: think that further animated me around, like, right, they're beautiful boys,
Speaker 1: and they're going to be beautiful boys when they're eleven
Speaker 1: and when they're fifteen, and when they're on their way
Speaker 1: into adulthood and so on and so forth. But I
Speaker 1: also know that society is going to at some point
Speaker 1: determine that their lives aren't worth what yours are, that
Speaker 1: they are, by their very presence, a danger, and it
Speaker 1: terrifies me. I know where we live, I know the
Speaker 1: neighborhood we live in, I know what I say to
Speaker 1: my kids about beating dark home. In fact, they don't
Speaker 1: even live our street to play with nobody and those
Speaker 1: kinds of protective things. They're not yet at the age
Speaker 1: where I've gotten to have a real, real uh sit
Speaker 1: down on some on a couple of issue areas around
Speaker 1: law enforcement and racism, really racism, the structure of it
Speaker 1: and how it shows up, because I've been battling with
Speaker 1: preserving a certain set of innocence that for just a
Speaker 1: little longer, and I hope and I don't think it's
Speaker 1: in a debilitating way, but it is in a way
Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, I do have to make sure
Speaker 1: my kid comes home and that they say that they're safe,
Speaker 1: and my wife and I do those things to try
Speaker 1: to curate that for them.
Speaker 2: But I also want my.
Speaker 1: Kids to still believe that their interactions with in certain
Speaker 1: ways and in places. Is is as innocent is? I
Speaker 1: think it is at the moment, but that I also
Speaker 1: know will change.
Speaker 4: When we were doing State of the People, met the
Speaker 4: mother of a slain black man at the hands of police.
Speaker 4: Her name is Paulina Bryan, and Paulina started to idate
Speaker 4: around creating an app when her son continued to be
Speaker 4: pulled over by law enforcement or some system, and in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen her son was killed by law enforcement, and
Speaker 4: she continued to develop what is now called Life Lawyer app.
Speaker 4: Meeting her at State of the People was a game
Speaker 4: changer for me because you realize just how often black
Speaker 4: folks have to turn tragedy into some type of prevention
Speaker 4: mechanism for others, for our other folks. And I think
Speaker 4: now what I'm wrestling with, honestly, y'all, is as an
Speaker 4: attorney watching constitutional right after constitutional right being violated and
Speaker 4: trampled on by ice. You know, we talk about does
Speaker 4: the talk still work? Yes, you should still have to talk.
Speaker 4: We have to also brace our family members for me,
Speaker 4: my godsends, for you, all your children, and my god daughter.
Speaker 4: We have to brace them for the fact that you
Speaker 4: can say all the right things have the right tone,
Speaker 4: you know, approach correctly, and still have issue. You can
Speaker 4: use technology to your benefit in your favor to record
Speaker 4: the thing. You can be an off duty police officer
Speaker 4: and they slap your phone out of your hand as
Speaker 4: we as we heard in our main episode. But we
Speaker 4: also have to not just take law and the law
Speaker 4: into our own hands, but we also have to rely
Speaker 4: on our elected representatives to have our backs. Corey Booker
Speaker 4: recently introduced two measures, and I want to roll this
Speaker 4: clip because this may be the only thing that keeps
Speaker 4: us alive in interactions with ICs.
Speaker 7: We must do more. The tragic death of Renee Good
Speaker 7: has brought into clear spotlights so many of the things
Speaker 7: that Trump administration is doing to make our communities less safe.
Speaker 7: But one of the most alarming crises are issues of
Speaker 7: training and accountability standards for ice officers. The Trump administration
Speaker 7: has cut the training down from five months to about
Speaker 7: a month and a half. They have eliminated age requirements
Speaker 7: and are hiring recruits as young as eighteen years old.
Speaker 7: They're putting people into training before their background checks are
Speaker 7: even complete, and so when you see people cut corners,
Speaker 7: people die. I'm continuing to lead new legislation that will
Speaker 7: bring further high professional standards and accountability to ice officials.
Speaker 7: We must also set minimum training standards. We must ban
Speaker 7: the hiring of anyone affiliated with hate groups. We must
Speaker 7: hold agency leaders accountable. We must require every federal officer
Speaker 7: to wear a body worn camera during public facing enforcement actions,
Speaker 7: and require that footage be preserved so that the truth
Speaker 7: can't be hidden or destroyed. What Donald Trump is doing
Speaker 7: is undercutting the stre of our law enforcement. He is
Speaker 7: diminishing and diluting standards. He is taking actions that are
Speaker 7: wholly unacceptable to the safety of our nation.
Speaker 4: So this might be one of the only things that
Speaker 4: we have to rely upon. We have to hope that
Speaker 4: both of these bills, the FLESH Act Federal Law Enforcement
Speaker 4: Standards and Accountability Act and Focus Federal Officer Camera Usage
Speaker 4: for Safety Act, can get to the center.
Speaker 1: Face stuff is in there too, the masks.
Speaker 4: And yeah well, and as we know, Jasmine Crockett introduced
Speaker 4: the Clear Act for that. But we have to hope
Speaker 4: that the Senate will take up these measures, and then
Speaker 4: the House will take up these measures, and then that
Speaker 4: the President finds it in his heart to sign these
Speaker 4: measures since he is now acknowledging that ICE has made mistakes,
Speaker 4: but the question remains what parts of the talk are enforceable?
Speaker 4: Right We have always had rogue officers completely disregard when
Speaker 4: we are asserting our rights, relying on you know, goods
Speaker 4: legal doctrine in these interactions. But there are people all
Speaker 4: the time who abuse their power, and so we have
Speaker 4: to figure out what is our way around that, And
Speaker 4: I don't know the answer. I think we can raise
Speaker 4: legal funds till we're blowing the face, but these we
Speaker 4: still have to rely on people operating from goodwill and
Speaker 4: in integrity to do the right thing. And that is
Speaker 4: a tall order right now, given their limited training, given
Speaker 4: the the you know, the visceral response that people who
Speaker 4: look different than them, who are other than them, the
Speaker 4: fact that the Proud Boys founder could be affiliated with
Speaker 4: Owl's ICE, the fact that some January six ers are
Speaker 4: part of our part of ICE, and the fact that
Speaker 4: border patrol anywhere near the border in Minnesota. Like I just,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I agree with all of that, And I appreciate Corey
Speaker 5: for talking about the legislative action that must be taken.
Speaker 5: He's right about that, but I mean, people are being
Speaker 5: drug out of their houses right now. People are being
Speaker 5: brutalized right now. And as you eloquently pointed out, kind
Speaker 5: of the conjunction junction of this what's your function Angela,
Speaker 5: like you talked about the legislative process of this happening,
Speaker 5: we're talking about we're talking about that level of accountability
Speaker 5: coming in maybe two years if at all, like Donald
Speaker 5: Trump's gonna sign it. I think that one of the
Speaker 5: things that Corey Booker is also highlighting though, which I
Speaker 5: take from that is the import of one local elected officials,
Speaker 5: Mary Mariotti, who is the district attorney out there, employing
Speaker 5: her local police to arrest these individuals who they seek
Speaker 5: doing wrong, committing crimes. And two elections in November matter
Speaker 5: more than these may be the most I mean, we
Speaker 5: say it all the time, Andrew. What do people hate
Speaker 5: when we say when we talk about elections, this is
Speaker 5: the most important.
Speaker 1: It is what The states keep getting higher, The states
Speaker 1: keep getting higher, and you know what Ice is about
Speaker 1: you with their budgetary expansion through Trump's and the Republic
Speaker 1: looks big, beautiful bill become the largest law enforcement agency
Speaker 1: in domestic territory in the United States collectively. We already
Speaker 1: know right now in Minnesota, they are three times the
Speaker 1: size of all of the municipal law enforcement agencies that
Speaker 1: cover these areas combined three times, and unfortunately that three
Speaker 1: times is not an expansion on the law enforcement presence
Speaker 1: of that area. They now have become the problem to
Speaker 1: local law enforcement. Law enforcement having to respond to scenes
Speaker 1: of havoc that have been created by other law enforcement.
Speaker 2: I'm not a.
Speaker 1: Big abolished person, and I won't use that language here,
Speaker 1: but as we know it ICE agents and the agency
Speaker 1: right now that has been developed under the Homeland security model,
Speaker 1: the Homeland Secretary after nine to eleven does not work.
Speaker 1: This is one of those examples of where the wheel
Speaker 1: has to be broken. I am not saying that there
Speaker 1: should not be immigration enforcement in the country, but it
Speaker 1: has to be reimagined because what has happened in this case,
Speaker 1: this is not an exception. That's seven out of ten
Speaker 1: of their interactions and then they're taken into custody. Are
Speaker 1: people who are legally here, who are not criminals. If
Speaker 1: seven out of ten is a fail, then yo, goddamn
Speaker 1: whole thing is a fail. You don't pass the class
Speaker 1: with a thirty percent, you don't. So if it which
Speaker 1: tells me that this then is not the exception.
Speaker 2: This is the rule for that department, this.
Speaker 1: Institution, and so the institution is a failure and it
Speaker 1: must be leveled. We can be inventive about what immigration
Speaker 1: enforcement within our borders looks like. We can be hash
Speaker 1: standards and be tough on all those things and follow
Speaker 1: the process and have a great old bill that gets
Speaker 1: to that. But this agency does not work for the
Speaker 1: American people. Seven eras out of ten attempts is problematic,
Speaker 1: and that is systematic. That is not an exception. That
Speaker 1: no longer is the exception. The exception for ICE agents
Speaker 1: and their record. The exception is getting it right. If
Speaker 1: they get it right, that is the exception. And that's
Speaker 1: that's too big a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I agree with you, and I know, I know
Speaker 5: we about to get out of here in a minute.
Speaker 5: But I would just say I'm glad you couch it
Speaker 5: the way you did, because all three of us are four,
Speaker 5: you know, making sure that we have some sembilance of
Speaker 5: order within our borders and not having open borders and
Speaker 5: all of those things and having immigration enforcement. I do
Speaker 5: want to hear somebody say that one of money has
Speaker 5: said it. I think it was, Uh, what's what's my
Speaker 5: friend's name with the black name from Illinois? The congressman,
Speaker 5: what she got the black name?
Speaker 2: Is she black? She white? Oh? From Chicago?
Speaker 5: Anyway, what I what I what I'm saying is that
Speaker 5: we should, uh, we should make sure that we impeach Christie.
Speaker 5: Now That's all I wanted to say on the way out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think impeachment of NOME is symbolically a thing.
Speaker 1: But I just I want to admonish our Congress and
Speaker 1: the Democrats who I hope will be in charge very soon.
Speaker 1: That first of all, if if that Hefa is still around,
Speaker 1: then it's already been way.
Speaker 2: Too long, all right. So this is this is a
Speaker 2: this is a this is.
Speaker 1: A in your dreams while you sleeping and on your
Speaker 1: break thing.
Speaker 2: To do get rid of her.
Speaker 1: But the problem is getting rid of her does not
Speaker 1: abolish the problem.
Speaker 2: That does not get rid of the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem, as has been exposed for everybody to see,
Speaker 1: is that the agency as it is now established and
Speaker 1: is operating does not work for the American people's interests.
Speaker 2: And it must be leveled.
Speaker 1: And we will go anew and think of create a
Speaker 1: new around an agency that is in service to our
Speaker 1: interests to protect our borders, to enforce our immigration laws,
Speaker 1: and to serve the interests of the American people. But
Speaker 1: as it is established right now, it does not work.
Speaker 1: It has to go. Anything less than that is not
Speaker 1: a capitulation. It is a complete and total surrender on
Speaker 1: law and order in America.
Speaker 2: Has to go.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying now, we gotta go. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging in there with us, Craig, Thanks again
Speaker 1: for the question. You see, you set us up for
Speaker 1: other things, and so apologies in advance that we tear
Speaker 1: it along and tear it off.
Speaker 2: But thank you.
Speaker 1: It's a meaningful one and I hope people are thinking
Speaker 1: meaningfully about it in their own homes and families and
Speaker 1: can share your experiences share them with us. We'd love
Speaker 1: to play your videos back around what you're doing, what
Speaker 1: the talk looks like, and whether or not you think.
Speaker 2: It still works in today's day and age. Welcome out, y'all.
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