WEBVTT - Does “The Talk” Still Work? | MiniPod 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 Native Lad Pod is a production of iHeart Radio in 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:09.320 partnership with Reason Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.280 Welcome home, everybody. This is this week's mini pod. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:15.560 I know y'all are dying to hear what. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:19.360 Were talking about, uh before we actually get into the 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.000 topic for this week, If it's okay with my co 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.200 host again, I'm Andrew Gillum. I'm joined here by some 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:25.840 other people. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:27.560 I think that is that. 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.360 I don't know who that dude is, but his title 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.320 on my computer says that's Bacari Sellers. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.200 Welcome Bakari to this episode. I'm messing with y'all. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:43.199 Y'all. We wanted to get into some questions. One in particular, actually, 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.519 and that is around does the talk still work? And 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:52.000 when we say the talk, we're talking about what probably 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.360 all of us can reflect on from our childhood, at 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.040 least certainly people of color and and and black boys 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.640 in particular, when your parents or someone meetingful in your 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.240 life sat you down and said this is what you do, 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.039 this is what you don't do, particularly as it relates 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:07.840 to law enforcement. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.880 Our talk was broader a little bit broader than just. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:12.959 The police it was also adults period. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:14.959 It was also about people who touch you. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.720 It was also about how you scream out for help, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.520 what was appropriate, what was right, what wasn't. So we 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.279 want to we want to delve into that. But before 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:28.200 we do, we've got a really important update from a 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.280 topic that you know. Frankly, depending on where you each 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.600 your news, some of us have heard from, others have not, 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:34.600 but we all need to know. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:35.800 Take a listen. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.440 Hello, Nady Bland. My name is Gloria al So. Tanzania 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.240 was in the news a lot towards the end of 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.400 last year. There were questions surrounding the election, which kept 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.920 sama has sign in power, and reports of protests being 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.160 met with heavy state response. Human rights groups and independent 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:55.480 observers documented loss of life. Two weeks later, President Hassan 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.160 announced the creation of a Commission of Inquiry to investigate 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.240 those who lost their lives, which does confirm that people 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.200 in fact lost their lives. Now some have questioned this commission, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.720 wondering if Samya should have been involved in selecting those 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.280 who will be investigating. And we're still waiting on the 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:12.359 results of that inquiry. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:12.880 By the way. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.640 Then, on Tanzania's Independence Day, which was December ninth, the 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.560 streets were quiet, public gatherings were limited. Even social media 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.480 accounts of some activists rallying people to protests were taken down. However, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.200 the government and its supporters have said that reports of 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.800 repression are exaggerated and driven by foreign influence. And only 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.799 a few days ago President Hassan apologized for the internet 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.320 shutdown that happened after the election, saying it was a 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.360 necessary step to protect national order. But what makes this 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.200 moment so significance is not just what happened, but how 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.840 Tanzanians are responding. On one side, citizens are defending the state. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.560 On the other side are those who do want to speak, 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.560 but they feel unsafe doing so, and because the people 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.799 are divided, they cannot collectively demand good governance. It is 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.160 what happens anywhere when power is no longer a question. Well, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.520 thank you so much Native Land for having me and 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.959 for creating space for Africa in this conversation. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.600 Love that, you know, I just angela, Yeah, I just 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.200 wanted to shout out really quickly. We started following what 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.000 was going on in Tanzania around the elections, you know, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.560 before the end of the year in twenty twenty five, 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.440 and I learned a lot. Was just completely immersed in 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.280 what was happening. Had some experts come on, including a 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.760 woman who is a Kenyan observer. I went over to 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.799 Tanzania to watch what happened in the elections and nearly 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.320 lost her life. I wanted to shout out Gloria for 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.880 giving us that update. I think it's so important for us. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.640 We say native lampod and welcome home, y'all. We want 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.320 to create a virtual space for all of us of 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.760 African descent throughout the diaspora to share what's happening, to 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.240 keep us informed and absolutely to let us know if 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.320 there are things that we can do differently to uplift 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.080 and support the work that you all are doing. So 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:52.880 thank you, Gloria. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.280 Well done, well done, well done, We'll done. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.320 That was educational to me. I mean I got to 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.680 go back and do my research on Tanzania. Sometimes I 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.920 get the news of the day that's right here. I 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.240 mean we got here at home, measles out and breaking 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.880 South Carolina like it's hard. Sometimes you get blinded and 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.560 realize that as a part of the dia ask where, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.040 if nothing else, you should read some shit so you're 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.520 at least knowledgeable about the pain that others are suffering 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:15.080 and going through. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.919 So thank you for that. That's fair. That's fair. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.560 Well, y'all, we'll move just real quickly into this into 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.200 this other question about the talk. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:25.719 I said a little bit about what. 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.000 The talk was for me and our household and our family. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.039 Bakari Angela. I know, Angela to you, but also you 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.320 you got an older your your baby sister to an 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.240 older brother and so and a dad and mom activists, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.080 so we could be more broadened in y'all's household too. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:42.320 Butkar what was it like for you? 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:43.560 What was the talk? 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.080 Well, it's not just the talk, I mean, it's it's 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.640 also just others, like we don't like I don't buy 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.640 my kids toy guns. They don't have they don't have 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.400 the NERF guns or anything like that. My parents didn't 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.359 buy it for me. It was always this feeling that, no, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.440 we didn't want any miss interpretations. We don't want any 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.880 accidents happening to black children because we don't get the 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.200 benefit of our youth. You know, Donald Trump Junior and 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.360 what's the other one, Donald Trump Eric? 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.120 They are they are. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.680 Something other than eminently punishable. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.720 Well, I said that one time he got sued by kids. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.080 I can't say that no more, but they are. I 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.000 said a kid had a punchable face, and they sued me. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.719 But let's let's actually let's actually roll roll a question 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.600 so people can see where this came from. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:34.400 What's up, Native Land? Welcome home? This is Craig and Brooklyn. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.640 I guess my question has to do with, you know, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.640 the talk that you always have fathers and sons, specifically 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.400 black fathers and sons always have to have about what 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:54.719 to do when they encounter law enforcement. Well, the stakes 0:05:54.760 --> 0:06:04.080 have gone significant, are significantly uh higher. Now I can't 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.440 make Hesit tells what's going on and so many things 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.640 coming at us from day to day. So specifically, put 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:11.520 the guys on the panel. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:13.520 What would you suggest. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.640 How we modify that discussion that we have. I mean, 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:22.560 I have a fifteen year old myself, so yeah, I 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:23.080 would love. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.640 Some suggestions on what's gotta tell you? 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:26.000 Man? 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.800 Thanks now, good to see you, Craig. Greg got off 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.400 the stoop. I think the last time we saw him 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.159 he was sitting on the steps. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.760 Craig, let me say something that is somewhat the antithesis 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.640 to this podcast, the antithesis to our upbringing and the 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.600 antithesis to what we echo a lot of times in 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:52.160 our rabble rousing Matthew chair flipping over shaking, the kind 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.320 of orbit that we live in, and my conversations with 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.840 my children, as I would advise anybody to have, are 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.679 very very selfish when dealing with law enforcement. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:08.320 Your number one priorities should be to come home. Period. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.600 I am overly focused on my children and having interactions 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:17.080 with law enforcement number one that allows them safety to 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.640 come home, and number two transparency. I know a lot 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.480 of times when people interact with law enforcement, the first 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.760 they didn't want to say is fuck you. I'm an American, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.680 this is wrong, this is unconstitutional. You know you're already 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.640 agitating the situation, you're escalating. Ain't nothing about this de escalation. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.760 Don't get your hands on me. I'm an American. Blah 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.559 blah blah blah blah. And I know that people find 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.640 some level of disappointment in these remarks because what we're 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:47.040 seeing in our streets right now is anything but saying, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.640 is anything but sanctified, is anything but constitutional. But I'm 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.640 very selfish when it comes to my children, and I 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.720 tell them all the time my number one priority is 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.800 them For them to come home. The best advice my 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.640 dad ever gave me was when the police get behind you. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.800 This is a very South Carolina thing. It's not necessarily 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.000 applies in big cities, but it may. We have a 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.080 lot of dark roads, you know. I was driving a 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.360 Chrysler three hundred, and you know, every time you get 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.320 on a dark road, police get behind you. My dad said, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.200 call nine one one immediately. So I would call nine 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.920 one one. I would let them know that I'm driving, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.560 you have an officer behind me, and I'm going to 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.560 a welled area, and I would pull up at a 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.920 gas station or something like that. One, so they knew 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.360 I wasn't fleeing. Two, so they knew I wasn't a 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.319 problem in three, so that I could do the number 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.000 one goal, a priority that my parents taught me, which 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.480 was to come home. I think there's a place for protests. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.000 I think there's a place for coming home. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.920 You know that piece, that last piece you mentioned on 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.400 the on the dark roads. My parents said the same thing, 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.640 and it was except they said slow down to a 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.840 slow that is still moving and turn your hazard lights 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.360 on so that they know you're not trying to flee, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.280 that you're not trying to escape you and go somewhere. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.440 And but Kari, I don't think you are out of 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:08.839 the normal. When you say your expectation is selfish, Craig, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.800 asking this question is asking for selfish reasons. Anything that 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.400 I say in offering would be from a selfish perspective. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:18.959 In fact, I was going to say, first off, Craig, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.760 he has kid, you know, has a son who he 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.480 ought to be teaching us the lessons of what he said. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.400 You know, when he said fifteen year old, I almost 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.679 shuddered because I'm thinking, godly, I got an eleven year 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.640 old boy and girl, and I don't want them to 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.640 be fifteen yet, you know, And I'm looking down the 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.800 pipe and knowing that that's coming. And for me, all 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.760 of these talks, this one and then the range of 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:46.040 others are always being balanced around not trying to rob 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:50.160 them of their kid ears, their youth, the stuff that 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.240 white kids get without question, right, they can play with 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.360 toy guns and water guns and all those kind of things. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.079 But I'm like you, we don't have them in our house. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.280 And if you bring one, you you know something, just 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.800 like you don't bring white barbies to my daughter forgets. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:08.960 Oh please, God, so. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:15.480 I get most frustrated by the world we live in 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.079 when I think about all of the innocence that get 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.720 stripped from our babies, from our kids. I take my 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.040 kids to the park on the weekends a lot. We 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.360 just was there this weekend at the park and again 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:36.320 on MLK Day, and I'm remembering distinctly this one neighborhood park. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.160 It's a great part, very wonderfully tried, and that's something 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.440 you look for when you outside in the summer time 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.160 in Florida. But it's also populated by a lot of 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.960 white families and older white folks who walk in the area. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.600 And I remember showing up. We were clearly not of 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.160 the neighborhood. We had come into the neighborhood driven and 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.680 kids get out of the car, and as we're walking 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.880 up to the park, you know, people start to pause 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.240 and they turn and for different reasons, they're looking at us, obviously, 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.120 and these two white women who were walking, they come 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.960 to a stop and they lean down and they are 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.719 asking my kids their names and where do they want 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.600 to do when they grow up, and obviously these cute 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.600 and oh she's just adorable, and all this kind of thing, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.960 and all I could think during that interaction was they're 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.080 a durable now, and I'm just curious in your mind, 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:24.400 when do they become a threat? 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.760 When do you cross the street? Which or purse? 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.280 When do you lock your door when you see them 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:29.840 on approach? 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.319 And I got it angry. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.280 I sort of had into indignantness, and I think it 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.480 probably showed in my interaction then with the two women afterwards, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.040 says all I kept thinking about was when do my 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.679 beautiful boys become. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:43.240 A threat to you? 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.120 When do you call the police on them because they're 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.080 in the wrong place, in the wrong neighborhood. They don't 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.240 live here and they're loitering. When do they stop being 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.600 the kids who are just here for play and now 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.680 they are a dangerous element to society at least through 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:05.400 your life ends? And I cried so hard in the car, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.839 you know, they started playing ball and I kind of 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.480 went back and I can still see them, but I 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:15.040 was really angry by it because and this was stuff 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:16.840 was going on in the country as well, and I 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:21.400 think that further animated me around, like, right, they're beautiful boys, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.120 and they're going to be beautiful boys when they're eleven 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.679 and when they're fifteen, and when they're on their way 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.960 into adulthood and so on and so forth. But I 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.600 also know that society is going to at some point 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.920 determine that their lives aren't worth what yours are, that 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.960 they are, by their very presence, a danger, and it 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.480 terrifies me. I know where we live, I know the 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.680 neighborhood we live in, I know what I say to 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.959 my kids about beating dark home. In fact, they don't 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.560 even live our street to play with nobody and those 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:01.760 kinds of protective things. They're not yet at the age 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.040 where I've gotten to have a real, real uh sit 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.000 down on some on a couple of issue areas around 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.640 law enforcement and racism, really racism, the structure of it 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.160 and how it shows up, because I've been battling with 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:24.400 preserving a certain set of innocence that for just a 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.079 little longer, and I hope and I don't think it's 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.880 in a debilitating way, but it is in a way 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.160 that is like, yeah, I do have to make sure 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.400 my kid comes home and that they say that they're safe, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.120 and my wife and I do those things to try 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.000 to curate that for them. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:39.959 But I also want my. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:44.080 Kids to still believe that their interactions with in certain 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.360 ways and in places. Is is as innocent is? I 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.079 think it is at the moment, but that I also 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:58.120 know will change. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.080 When we were doing State of the People, met the 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.760 mother of a slain black man at the hands of police. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.840 Her name is Paulina Bryan, and Paulina started to idate 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.160 around creating an app when her son continued to be 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.800 pulled over by law enforcement or some system, and in 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:26.600 twenty sixteen her son was killed by law enforcement, and 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.480 she continued to develop what is now called Life Lawyer app. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.200 Meeting her at State of the People was a game 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.280 changer for me because you realize just how often black 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.440 folks have to turn tragedy into some type of prevention 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.600 mechanism for others, for our other folks. And I think 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.400 now what I'm wrestling with, honestly, y'all, is as an 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:54.640 attorney watching constitutional right after constitutional right being violated and 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.800 trampled on by ice. You know, we talk about does 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.800 the talk still work? Yes, you should still have to talk. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.360 We have to also brace our family members for me, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.800 my godsends, for you, all your children, and my god daughter. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.800 We have to brace them for the fact that you 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.560 can say all the right things have the right tone, 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.640 you know, approach correctly, and still have issue. You can 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.320 use technology to your benefit in your favor to record 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.520 the thing. You can be an off duty police officer 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.000 and they slap your phone out of your hand as 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.720 we as we heard in our main episode. But we 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.440 also have to not just take law and the law 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.560 into our own hands, but we also have to rely 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.520 on our elected representatives to have our backs. Corey Booker 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.360 recently introduced two measures, and I want to roll this 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.480 clip because this may be the only thing that keeps 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.960 us alive in interactions with ICs. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.480 We must do more. The tragic death of Renee Good 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.360 has brought into clear spotlights so many of the things 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.360 that Trump administration is doing to make our communities less safe. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.040 But one of the most alarming crises are issues of 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:08.040 training and accountability standards for ice officers. The Trump administration 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.760 has cut the training down from five months to about 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.040 a month and a half. They have eliminated age requirements 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.280 and are hiring recruits as young as eighteen years old. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.680 They're putting people into training before their background checks are 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.720 even complete, and so when you see people cut corners, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:29.560 people die. I'm continuing to lead new legislation that will 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:34.240 bring further high professional standards and accountability to ice officials. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:38.000 We must also set minimum training standards. We must ban 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.600 the hiring of anyone affiliated with hate groups. We must 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.160 hold agency leaders accountable. We must require every federal officer 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:51.360 to wear a body worn camera during public facing enforcement actions, 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.960 and require that footage be preserved so that the truth 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.440 can't be hidden or destroyed. What Donald Trump is doing 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.880 is undercutting the stre of our law enforcement. He is 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.040 diminishing and diluting standards. He is taking actions that are 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.800 wholly unacceptable to the safety of our nation. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.719 So this might be one of the only things that 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.800 we have to rely upon. We have to hope that 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.320 both of these bills, the FLESH Act Federal Law Enforcement 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:22.159 Standards and Accountability Act and Focus Federal Officer Camera Usage 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.320 for Safety Act, can get to the center. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.400 Face stuff is in there too, the masks. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:32.280 And yeah well, and as we know, Jasmine Crockett introduced 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.240 the Clear Act for that. But we have to hope 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.239 that the Senate will take up these measures, and then 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.679 the House will take up these measures, and then that 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.560 the President finds it in his heart to sign these 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.080 measures since he is now acknowledging that ICE has made mistakes, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:51.000 but the question remains what parts of the talk are enforceable? 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.440 Right We have always had rogue officers completely disregard when 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.840 we are asserting our rights, relying on you know, goods 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.600 legal doctrine in these interactions. But there are people all 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.600 the time who abuse their power, and so we have 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.600 to figure out what is our way around that, And 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.600 I don't know the answer. I think we can raise 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.199 legal funds till we're blowing the face, but these we 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.280 still have to rely on people operating from goodwill and 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.720 in integrity to do the right thing. And that is 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.800 a tall order right now, given their limited training, given 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.880 the the you know, the visceral response that people who 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.760 look different than them, who are other than them, the 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.080 fact that the Proud Boys founder could be affiliated with 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.399 Owl's ICE, the fact that some January six ers are 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.520 part of our part of ICE, and the fact that 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.040 border patrol anywhere near the border in Minnesota. Like I just, 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:44.000 I don't know. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.359 I agree with all of that, And I appreciate Corey 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.679 for talking about the legislative action that must be taken. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:56.600 He's right about that, but I mean, people are being 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.120 drug out of their houses right now. People are being 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.920 brutalized right now. And as you eloquently pointed out, kind 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.200 of the conjunction junction of this what's your function Angela, 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.280 like you talked about the legislative process of this happening, 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.280 we're talking about we're talking about that level of accountability 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.920 coming in maybe two years if at all, like Donald 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:20.000 Trump's gonna sign it. I think that one of the 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.760 things that Corey Booker is also highlighting though, which I 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:27.680 take from that is the import of one local elected officials, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.680 Mary Mariotti, who is the district attorney out there, employing 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.200 her local police to arrest these individuals who they seek 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.720 doing wrong, committing crimes. And two elections in November matter 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:39.480 more than these may be the most I mean, we 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.440 say it all the time, Andrew. What do people hate 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.480 when we say when we talk about elections, this is 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.359 the most important. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:52.119 It is what The states keep getting higher, The states 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.200 keep getting higher, and you know what Ice is about 0:19:56.280 --> 0:20:00.000 you with their budgetary expansion through Trump's and the Republic 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.480 looks big, beautiful bill become the largest law enforcement agency 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:10.240 in domestic territory in the United States collectively. We already 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.439 know right now in Minnesota, they are three times the 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.080 size of all of the municipal law enforcement agencies that 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:23.960 cover these areas combined three times, and unfortunately that three 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.880 times is not an expansion on the law enforcement presence 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.760 of that area. They now have become the problem to 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.160 local law enforcement. Law enforcement having to respond to scenes 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.960 of havoc that have been created by other law enforcement. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.120 I'm not a. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.440 Big abolished person, and I won't use that language here, 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:53.760 but as we know it ICE agents and the agency 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.120 right now that has been developed under the Homeland security model, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:03.840 the Homeland Secretary after nine to eleven does not work. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.240 This is one of those examples of where the wheel 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.080 has to be broken. I am not saying that there 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:14.879 should not be immigration enforcement in the country, but it 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.560 has to be reimagined because what has happened in this case, 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.080 this is not an exception. That's seven out of ten 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:26.000 of their interactions and then they're taken into custody. Are 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:30.000 people who are legally here, who are not criminals. If 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:34.280 seven out of ten is a fail, then yo, goddamn 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.160 whole thing is a fail. You don't pass the class 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:44.200 with a thirty percent, you don't. So if it which 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.280 tells me that this then is not the exception. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.280 This is the rule for that department, this. 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.560 Institution, and so the institution is a failure and it 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:01.120 must be leveled. We can be inventive about what immigration 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.160