1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know front House Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clarkin. 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: With me is always this Charles W. Chuck Bryant, Yeah, 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: and over there's Jerry and this you should bob boom 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: ba ba boom. You know there's a name for that 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: song for the burlesqui strip teas what is it called 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: boo d D. That's called the Stripper by David Rose, 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: who also did the Little House of the Prairie thing. 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: Really that was all about keeping your clothes on. He's 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: actually like one of my favorite dudes. Instrumental easy listening 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: stuff and he does like soft rock versions of like no, 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: he does instrumental easy listening versions of soft rock songs. 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: So he makes soft rock softer. Yeah wow, like you 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: can't even slip through your fingers, you know. But yeah, 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: the Stripper is what it's called. And I'm sure you've 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: probably heard it at burlesque shows, because we should come 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: out and say I've never been to one, but you have. Yeah, 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: I went to one of New York City. Yeah, uh, 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: kind of the home of burlesque. Sure, it's one of 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: the certainly one of the capitals of neo burlesque New 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: York in l A or where it started in the 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: mid nineties. And I had a lot to do with 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: where it started in the you know, late eighteen hundreds 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: in early nineteen You're right, that is absolutely true. Yeah, 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: I went to one. Uh you know, it's fun. I 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: like throwback stuff, and um, I just I appreciate people 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: trying to bring stuff back, you know, especially like really 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: old school stuff, not like eighties like clothing. Are you 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: referring to my swatch? No? And what about my Ocean 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: Pacific wind breaker? Wow? I didn't notice. No, I love 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: eighties clothing. I'm just saying when I'm talking about bringing 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: it back, I mean, like you know, the pantaloons and 33 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: the whole burless things. They definitely they have totally like 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: gone all in and as a result, it's been successful. 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: It's been a very successful burlesque revival. It's like a movement. Yeah, 36 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: you can throw a stone in America and you're gonna 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: hit a burlesque troop. Just throw it, close your eyes 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: and throw it. You don't even have to throw it. Well, 39 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: it'll hit a burlesque trooper. Um. And that's a pretty 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: recent phenomenon. But it's kind of taken off like a rocket. Um, 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: but you're saying it's true to form, true to the original. Yeah, 42 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: the one I saw was very much so. It was 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, sort of body and had some humor and um, 44 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: of course strip tease action, but not like you know, 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: the the strip club type of thing. It's it's supposed 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 1: to be like kitchy can't be stripped teases typically, right, yeah, 47 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: like titillating and body, but not, um, it's not just 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: like a strip club strip no, no, no, no, not 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: at all. It's like dancing and fun and you know, 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: it's a good time. People are laughing and have a 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: good time, whereas strip clubs are kind of like scary 52 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: to me, they are at least right. Um. So, you know, 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: stripping actually came out of burlesque and then just kind 54 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: of went off on its own direction. But it's still 55 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: associated with burlesque. We'll we'll get into this. Um. Well, now, okay, 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: let's talk about the history of this. I should say, 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: chuck that if you look into burlesque, especially neo burlesque, Um, 58 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: there's a real discussion about whether or not it's pro 59 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: feminist or counter feminist. Basically, yeah, it's pretty interesting. If 60 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: you speak to um, a burlesque, a neo burlesqu ar, 61 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: read their words or writing or whatever, um, you're going 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: to find that they most likely identify as feminist or 63 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: at the very least with feminism. Um. And that doesn't 64 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: always jibe with how feminists think of them though. Yeah, 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: and especially these days with the new stuff they um, 66 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, these are productions by women, uh, costuming by women, 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: produced by women, performed by women, which follows women in 68 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: the audience, right, and then so it's empowering for a 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: lot of women, Like that's part of the the attraction 70 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: of it is it is it's women doing their own 71 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: thing and they're doing it and they're they're doing it. Well, 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: it's it's you're right, there's a couple of schools of 73 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: thought period about that. It's like, does a woman take 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: her clothes off her money? Is that exploiting her? Or 75 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: is that a woman who's very comfortable with her body 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: and sexuality exploiting men for their dough? Right? But you 77 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: just you just said the magic word to men, Like 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: what is it seems to be like the baseline argument 79 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: is whether or not burlesque is for the male gays 80 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: or for women empowerment. Yeah, well, I think when we 81 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: look at the history, we'll see that it was generally 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: run by men back in the day and now is 83 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: more run by women, right, But originally it wasn't run 84 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: by men. It was originally no, it was originally women 85 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: producers back in the nineteenth century. And that's where you 86 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: get the association of women doing this stuff um on 87 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: their own. It's that's a true throw back to the 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: original founding of it. So let's go back in time. Then, 89 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: let's go to the history of burlesque. Let's go over 90 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: to Great Britain where it started. It's eight forty and 91 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: here we are in England and ladies are very well 92 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: covered up. It's the Victorian era. Like neck to ankle 93 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: and skin is not in fashion, and so to see 94 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: a woman show a little skin, even if it's an ankle, 95 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: is a very big deal, right. So imagine that if 96 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: you went to a performance of a show and it 97 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: was a kind of this weird satirical spoof of maybe 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: a Greek comedy, but it was lampooning current cultural and 99 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: political um items. But it was an all female troop 100 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: and the producer's name was a woman's name, and the 101 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: troop was wearing tights, their their legs weren't covered, right. That. 102 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: That's what you call a cultural explosion, and people went 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: nuts for it, Yeah, they did. The word burlesque comes 104 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: from the Italian burlesco, or even further back, burla, which 105 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: means to ridicule um. And basically it's what like these 106 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: days would call satire. Yeah, it was. They were spoofs. 107 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: They would spoof the upper class and spoof operas and 108 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: plays and Shakespeare and all those snotty snots that had 109 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: hangups in the upper echelons of society. They would make 110 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: fun of them. Yeah, like you wore a monocle, you're 111 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: gonna get skewered in a in a burlesque show. Yeah. Um. 112 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: And the burlesque show itself was lots of song and 113 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: dance and um, musical numbers. Um. But it was. There 114 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: were two aspects of it from the beginning that survived 115 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: even to today. There's humor to its supposed to be 116 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: funny um. And there was nudity of some form. Both 117 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: of those were found in the first burlesque. Yeah. And 118 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: depending on what nudity meant back then today, like the 119 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: nudity could be wearing tights. Yeah exactly. You know, here's 120 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: my knees right like faint, prepared to faint right, um. 121 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: Because yeah, this was the very buttoned up Victorian era. Um. 122 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: So it was a pretty big smash in Great Britain, 123 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: and the earliest plays made enough money, um that they 124 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: shipped over to America. And in America there was a 125 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: The first one technically was called The Black Crook, and 126 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: it was a very big success. Yeah, the Black Crook. 127 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: Like I said, it was Broadway, it was the eighteen 128 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: sixty six at this point. And uh, they had um 129 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: pantaloons on. But the pantaloons only went down to their 130 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: mid thigh, which is a big deal. So from they're 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: wearing shorts in other words, yeah, you know, the big 132 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: puffy pantaloons from the mid thigh down. They had nothing. 133 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: They had no sleeves. They had the bodices with no sleeves. 134 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: There's another huge deal. It sounds like exactly like the 135 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: French illustration of like a can't hand answer. Yeah, pretty 136 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: much except more skin probably. Uh. And then the reviewers 137 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: that went nuts for it, um, like some of them 138 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: went nuts in a bad way and called it like filth. 139 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: But other ones said, you know, remarked about there were 140 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: no clothes to speak of, but they had never seen 141 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: something like it's so amazing in their life. Yeah, it 142 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: was like just quite a spectacle. And the the the 143 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: reviewers that reviewed positively, uh felt the ire and pressure 144 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: of the puritanical sect um, which was pretty loud back then. Uh, 145 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: And they changed their tune. So then you had nothing 146 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: but bad reviews of these things. But they were loud, 147 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: bad reviews, and that just drew more audiences. Yeah, but 148 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: they were like noteworthy. People were going to these shows 149 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: early on, which was a big deal. It wasn't just 150 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: it did go back underground. But at first, like Mark 151 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: Twain went to UH, one called the Four British Blonds. 152 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: It was a troop and he said, the scenery and 153 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: are everything girls nothing but a wilderness of girls stacked up, 154 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: pile on, pile away, aloft to the dome of the theater, 155 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: dressed with a meagerness that would make a parasol blutch. Yeah, 156 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: ta can turn of phrase, sure, Mark Twain, he was 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: a great writer. But another show came along after that too, 158 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: that was a really big deal. Right, this is technically um, 159 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it was maybe the one 160 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: that really maybe the Black Crook proved that this thing 161 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: could be lucrative. And then the one that followed, ixion 162 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: Um was the first true burlesque show to arrive in 163 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: the US. Yeah. I think Black Crook was a little 164 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: It was a Broadway show that just titilated, and so 165 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: people said, who was who was the lady? Her name 166 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: is Lydia Thompson. She was a burlesque producer. I think 167 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: she was like, you guys want to be titilated? Yeah, 168 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: check this, let's do it for real. And she dropped 169 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: a burlesque show on him, which, now that we're talking 170 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: about this, I just realized I have been to a 171 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: burlesque show in Vegas. Oh yeah, yeah. It was at 172 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: uh uh one of the older casinos Circus Circus No, no, no, 173 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: Golden Nugget. No, not that old. I can't remember, but 174 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: it was. It was called Jubilee. It was boring. Yeah. Well, 175 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: the one I went to was in like a tiny 176 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: little bar in New York. This wasn't neo. This is 177 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: like straight up I think it had been performed ever 178 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: since the sixties or something. Yeah, it was just I 179 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: kept waiting for them to stop in the middle and 180 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: be like, where's this kidding, here's the real show. But 181 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: they didn't. It was so strange. I think everyone should 182 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: go see Jubilee and just it's bizarre. Yeah, you know, 183 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: it sounds like one of those old Vegas shows. Um, 184 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: so okay, so Ixion comes along and it's a it's 185 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: one of those Greek comedies updated to lampoon contemporary society 186 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: and culture. Um, and people love it. And you said 187 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: Mark Twain went to one of these things that he 188 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: went to more than one. That's really saying something because 189 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: originally burlesque in the eighteen forties was created for the 190 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: lower classes in the middle class, just to make fun 191 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: of the upper classes. When it comes to America, it's 192 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: not just attracting the lower classes, it's attracting the middle classes. 193 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Is attracting upper class society, possibly in part because it's 194 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: still making fun of the British. You know. Um, I 195 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: don't know if it would have been quite as well 196 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: received by the upper classes in American society if they 197 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: had come to make fun of America. But in very 198 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: short order, within just a few years, Lydia Thompson's success, 199 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: Um with her production, which by the way, netted six 200 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: or gross six point six million dollars in two thousand, 201 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: twelve dollars. And it's one first season. That's awesome. It 202 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: was like three seventy thousand and in eighteen seventy dollars um. 203 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: But based on her success, Americans started making their own 204 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: very quickly. Yeah, and um, it was in the eighteen 205 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: eighties a short time later that the male uh managers 206 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: and producers kind of took over because of course they 207 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: were already doing uh, you know, producing things, but they 208 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: saw that there was definitely money to be made. Right, Oh, hey, women, 209 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: you you guys are living the dream. You're doing your 210 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: own thing. You're being empowered. Now we're taken over. But 211 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: it was still too titillate uh into spoof. But uh, 212 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: there was definitely a little more uh attention paid to 213 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: the strip tease part of it, well, right, I mean, 214 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: the the showing, the leg the costuming, the the just 215 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: kind of um, just shimmying around on stage definitely started 216 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: to come more towards the four but the strip teeth 217 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: hadn't been introduced yet. The first stripper was a woman 218 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: named Little Egypt, who did the first public strip um 219 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: at the World's Fair in Chicago. What was it called 220 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: the the Houchiuchi seriously uh, and that caused quite a stir. 221 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: It was still you you could find a striptease here there, 222 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: but it was underground still like stag parties and stuff 223 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: like that. Right, so burlesque was still there, were you. 224 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you went to a burlesque show, you're gonna 225 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: be titillated. But still it was the lampooning, the hilariousness 226 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: of it. They were stand up comics. Yeah. Well, things 227 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: really change when a producer named Michael, uh, Michael, leave it, 228 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: love It, Love It. Yeah, okay, when he when he 229 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: started like a modern producer. Yeah, you know, well he 230 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of was. He He claims he coined the term vaudeville, 231 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: although if he claimed it, then it's probably not the case. 232 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: I made that up. See um. But when he started producing, 233 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: he basically put it in a three act format like 234 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: the three act minstrel shows of days before, with Act 235 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: one being um, just an ensemble entertainment UM skits, gags, jokes, 236 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: fully dressed in formal clothing. Uh. Then Act two, which 237 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: was like a hodgepodge of comic skits, and singing acts 238 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: and things like that, and then finally act three, which 239 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: was what they called a burletta, which was a full 240 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: one act musical burlesque. That was that's when they would 241 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: usually like spoof Shakespeare or somebody. Right, So that format 242 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: became the format for all burlesque shows to follow what 243 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: was at the eighteen eighties. Uh yeah, okay, Um. And 244 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: what he did was he took what was traditionally the 245 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: burlesque show, which was this spoofy play, and condensed it 246 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: into one act, the third act, and then added this 247 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: other stuff exactly. So vaudeville and burlesque are kind of 248 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: co evolving at the same time. Apparently this man was 249 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: patient zero. I hadn't heard that. But um, the vaudeville, 250 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: for some reason had a little more of a better 251 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: reputation burlesque. They weren't taking the clothes off, I guess so. 252 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: But um, you found a lot of the same um elements, 253 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: especially stand up comedy, and there were some, um, really 254 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: great legendary comics like Jackie Gleason and um I hope yeah, 255 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: Read Skelton, W. C. Fields, Fanny Bryce, Funny Girl. UM 256 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: who started out in burlesque graduated to Vaudeville and then 257 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: went on to TV. Um just basically followed the media 258 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: as it went. But some of those people, Um, they'll 259 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: look down on burlesque, but they still exactly when they 260 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: needed money, they would adopt the pseudonym and they could 261 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: do a little burlesque to her. Because burlesque was a 262 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: lot steadier income. It was virtually guaranteed income. Vaudeville was 263 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: a little more respected, but burlesque was guaranteed work. Yeah. 264 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: And this writer name HERB Goldman wrote a book called 265 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: Fanny Bryce, The Original Funny Girl, where he pretty much 266 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: came out and said, like, by the time he got 267 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: to Vaudeville your seasons, burlesque was the proving ground if 268 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: you wanted to get in the show business. Yeah. For 269 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: ladies and men. Men were the comics at the time 270 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: typically Yeah, and um, we can thank burlesque also for um, 271 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: the word top banana and second banana. Yeah, I had 272 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: to do with the comics in like a comedic group. 273 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: The guy who was the straight man or whatever, like Mo, 274 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: he would have been the top banana, and then Larry 275 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: might have been second banana, and Curly would have been 276 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: third banana. I thought you were talking about the Simpsons 277 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: for a second, It's like Mo would be the top banana. Yeah, probably, 278 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't wonder who is the top banana in the sentence. 279 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they followed that schematic. No, not at all. 280 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: Oh god, So early nineteen hundreds nineteen o five, there 281 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: began to be vaudeville style circuits going around sort of 282 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: like a traveling circus, and uh, they played in rotations, 283 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: so they became known as wheels. And they had the 284 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Columbia Wheel on the eastern US, the Empire Wheel on 285 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: the western US, the Mutual Wheel, which I'm not sure 286 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: where that was probably the Midwest, Midwest. And then there 287 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: was a fourth wheel called the Independent that actually went 288 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: bankrupt because they were too dirty. They refused to change, 289 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: so they would get shut down so much they just 290 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: couldn't hang. Yeah, and that was the thing that would 291 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: happen um with the burlesque house. Um. And these wheels 292 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: were basically just circuits that involved burlesque houses around you know, 293 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: a certain region, and they were so established and these 294 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: shows were so guaranteed to draw a crowd that these 295 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: wheels were um. They would last for forty weeks. So 296 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: you're getting a burlesque troop and you had steady work 297 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: for forty weeks out of the year. That's just that's 298 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: your life, that's your livelihood. And um, this went on 299 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: for like thirty years like this, So I mean, think 300 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: about it. In show biz, there was for three decades 301 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: a place where you could go and get steady work 302 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: and basically make your career for your life, especially as 303 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: a woman at the time, you know. Uh, and well 304 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: we're in the nineteen hundreds, but from the eighteen eighties forward. Uh, 305 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: like you said, comedy was mainly um, working class, and 306 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: it kind of occurred to me that that laid the 307 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: groundwork for sitcoms. Oh yeah, because like the Family, like 308 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: so many not most, but well maybe most sitcoms are 309 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: kind of aimed towards like working class regular people, right, 310 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: King of Queens. Not everything is a fresh princip bel air, right. 311 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: You know, Well, that's that's kind of follows in the 312 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: burlesque um tradition because they're making fun of the upper 313 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: class by insinuating somebody from the lower lower middle class 314 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: into the upper class to point out all of the 315 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: foibles of the rich. Yeah, I guess, I guess you're right. 316 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: I never really thought I was trying to rack my 317 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: brain for sitcoms based on rich people and most of 318 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: well that's what I was just thinking. But they kind 319 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: of mocked them as well. I don't remember Soberspon's being mocky. 320 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess you're right. But think about it, 321 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: like the most all sitcoms involved the working class mass. 322 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: Those were working class doctors, and you know, like you 323 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: took something from the upper class and put them in 324 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: the battlefield. That's working class. Now, King of Queen's Archie Bunker, Jefferson's, 325 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: they were all sort of middle class to working class 326 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: because no one wants to sit around watch funny rich people. 327 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: Different strokes with rich people. But they pointed out the 328 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: foibles a little bit too. Two poor kids though, Yeah, yeah, man, 329 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: we are smart dudes. We just cracked the sitcom enigma. 330 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, we knew that, right. Uh So one of 331 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: the big um parts of the comedy bits in burlesque 332 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: was word play, and this is where Abbot and Costella, 333 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: even though Who's on first wasn't invented, uh, in burlesque, 334 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: it was definitely hone there. Oh I thought it was 335 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: invented there. Now they that's where they like really got 336 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: got their stuff down. Um. But it was very often uh, 337 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: a lot of intricate word play, misunderstood words. Um. And 338 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: I think we should do this a bit, the Cohen 339 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: and Cohen bit. Okay, you're prepared to do that. I am, Okay, 340 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: I am, so I'll be uh, you be the caller, okay, 341 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: and I will be the person who answers that a right, 342 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: So I ring you up, ring, ring ring, Hello Cohen, Cohen, 343 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: Cohen and Cohen. Let me speak to Mr Cohen. Oh, 344 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: he's dead these six years, we keep his name on 345 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: the door out of respect. Well, then let me speak 346 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: to Mr Cohen. Well he's on vacation. Well then let 347 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: me speak to Mr Cohen. He's out to lunch. Ah, 348 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: let me speak to Mr Going speaking. Don't that was 349 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: pretty good? That was real good. We didn't even practice that. 350 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: We should go on the road. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, 351 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: yeah we should. What do you think about doing some 352 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: sort of stuff you should know tour? I think we 353 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: totally should. I mean, we already have done variety shows 354 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: and all we need is a strip tease act and 355 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: we're burlesque. Well, let's do a variety show. Or like 356 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe a trivia tour or something like that. Let's hit 357 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: the road, man, that's it. Did we just birth birthing idea? 358 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: I think? So? All right, okay, people can be like, 359 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: come to Minneapolis, come to Kansas City. Man, you better 360 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: not be wearing monocles because you're going to feel the sting. 361 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: I think if we do tour that we should go 362 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: to you know, all over Yeah, not just like oh 363 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: New York in l A. No, No, we'll do like 364 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: a little little tour. Yeah, okay that we'll do the 365 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: mutual circuit or the mutual Wheel. We'll do all three wheels. Um. So, 366 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: burlesque developed to the point where they had a their 367 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: own language, basically like many you know, industries in the 368 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: entertainment business. Um, but you can guess my favorite. A 369 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: jerk Yeah, the jerk was an audience member. A yak 370 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: was a big belly laugh. Yeah, think about the yucks 371 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: that came from that. Of course, that makes sense. Yeah, 372 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: if you make a funny face as a performer, that's 373 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: a skull. A Mountaineer was a brand new comic that 374 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: apparently came from the Cat's skill circuit up in the 375 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: mountains there and then I thought this was interesting. The 376 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: Boston version was a cleaned up version of the routine. Yeah, 377 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: because the sensibilities of Boston nights are famous, famously touchy. 378 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: And then you know, there's a whole list of vocabulary here, 379 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: but we don't have to go through it all. Yeah. 380 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: But I mean, like some of the terms that we 381 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: used again top, banana, yucks, jerk. This came from burlesque 382 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: The Way to Go Burlesque, So, um, there's like kind 383 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: of this, Hey, Dave. Burlesque is enjoying its first wave 384 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: in the United States. Um, and then all of a 385 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: sudden they have big competition. It's called movies and then 386 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: worse than movies, talkies. Yeah, and burlesque is like, uh, 387 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: what can we do that the movies can't do to 388 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: get people in to take off even more clothing exactly. Yeah, 389 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: and that actually did it, because not only did that 390 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: save burlesque and make it competitive against the movies, it 391 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: actually kicked off the heyday. Once the the burlesque performers 392 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: uh started taking off their clothes and doing strip teases, 393 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: like real strip teases. That's when burlesque saw its golden era. Yeah. 394 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: But again, these are nineteen twenties strip teases. So it's 395 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: not like going to one of those filthy places these days, uh, 396 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: like a strip club. Um, we're talking Gypsy rose Lee 397 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: and Sally Ran doing like the fan dance where you 398 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: know they're they're so good with that fan. You can 399 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: never quite tell what's going on behind the fan. I know, 400 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: have you seen a fan dance? They're like very um 401 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: the they just the keeping it placed and moving it 402 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: as you move around on stage and cover yourself. Um, 403 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: is that's art? I mean that takes work. No, of 404 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: course it does, because if you showed too much, you 405 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: got busted, right, you gave your reveal too soon? Yes, 406 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: and by busted, we mean like the cops would put 407 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: you in jail. Perhaps, Oh oh, I see what you mean. 408 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: And that was actually like pretty common apparently, like the 409 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: burlesque houses would be shut down, the person headlining would 410 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: be arrested for moral for corrupting moral sensibilities. Yeah, there 411 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: were these dudes, um, the Minsky brothers, A Billy Herb 412 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: and Morton, and they were big time burlesque producers and 413 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: uh they were your Yeah, they were rated a bunch 414 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: um rate n became famous because they wrote a book 415 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: and made a movie about it. But the night they 416 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: rated Minsky's on the Notes. Yeah, but um, they said 417 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: it just became popular because of the attention. Like it 418 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: was basically a cycle of uh, covering up too much 419 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: audience dwindles, um, revealing too much audience booms, you get rated, 420 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: so you start covering up again, and it just kind 421 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: of kept going like that. Uh. There was a law 422 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: in New York that you could be topless at that 423 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: point as long as you didn't move. Supposedly that law 424 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: is still in effect. You don't move. I don't know 425 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: about the as long as you don't move part, but 426 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: you you can legally walk around New York topless mayon 427 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: or a woman, um, and and not be breaking the law. Really. Yeah, 428 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: so Splash was actually factually incorrect the movie Splash. Yeah, 429 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: although I think Darrehina was like all the way naked 430 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: when she comes out of the water the first time. Remember, yeah, 431 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: they arrested her. Yeah. I love that movie. When I 432 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: was a kid, I thought it was pretty great. Um. 433 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: So Uh. The Minsky brothers are pretty infamous, so much 434 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: so that Mary LaGuardia at the time, who was a 435 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: moral reformer. He is the early Giuliani. Right, yeah, he 436 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: it's exactly right, Like, let's clean this down up. Um 437 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: he uh. He made a law where you couldn't publicly 438 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: advertise using the word burlesque or the word Minsky. Yeah. 439 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: So like they were pretty infamous. They made the Mayor 440 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: of New York man, well, they think we're the first 441 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: ones to to Apparently the first raid in nineteen seventeen, 442 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: there was a h performer named made Dix who, as 443 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: she was leaving stage, was accidentally absent mindedly removing her 444 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: clothing for the next act and just did it before 445 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: she was off stage, and the dudes went nuts. So 446 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: she was turned around and went back out, and one 447 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: of the I think it was Billy Minsky, was like, hey, 448 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: let's see if we can make that accident happen every night. 449 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. That was the beginning of the whole thing, 450 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: the beginning of like the full nudity, and that's what 451 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: led to that first raid. So um, let's go back 452 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: to the uh, the the strip teasers themselves, like you 453 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Gypsy rose Leie and Sally rand Um, whose names 454 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: are still pretty well known in the popular culture. And 455 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: the reason why is because these ladies were superstars like 456 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: they um catapulted from their burlesque routines into um, you know, 457 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: starring roles in movies and in culture and society. They 458 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: were written about, they were lauded. Um, they were just 459 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: they were big deals. Like they they came about at 460 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: a time and burlesque strip teases came about at a 461 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: time when a significant portion of society was ready to 462 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: um I love it. Yeah. And Gypsy rose Lee too. 463 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: She was um smart lady, and she didn't mind being 464 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: smart on stage. She would perform, Uh these monologues were 465 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: very high brow with a British accent and uh, or 466 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: not a British accent, but like a you know, an 467 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: upper class accent, like a finishing school accent, is how 468 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: Julia Layton puts it. Yeah. And she would tell jokes, 469 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: like really intellectual, smart jokes and uh, super witty, and 470 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: she would do her strip tease. It was the first 471 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: time that the strip teas and comedy were married right 472 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: in one and you know, at the same time. Like 473 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 1: she would just kind of go around the stage and 474 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: she'd come out and like all of these layers and 475 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: petty coats and all that stuff, and then she would 476 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: just kind of tell jokes or make witty observations as 477 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: as she was slowly revealing these things, and then by 478 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: the end of her act she was she had basically 479 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: pasties on and it just wiled the crowd. Um, and 480 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: she I want to see Gypsy? Have you ever seen 481 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: that movie? No? It was I think a Broadway show too, 482 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: wasn't it right? I think it was her memoirs a book, 483 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: and then they made it into a Broadway show, and 484 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: then they made it into a movie, and um, I 485 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: think it was. It says it was Natalie Wood who 486 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: played her in the movie. I want to see it 487 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: because she sounds like a pretty interesting person. Yeah, I 488 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: haven't seen an uh. And then one of her probably 489 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: the next biggest superstar of her exact era, which was 490 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: the thirties, was Sally Rand, And you can thank Sally 491 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: Ran for inventing the fan dance and the will dance. 492 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Those were her two big ones. She had a bunch 493 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: of acts, but her two big acts were. The fan 494 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: dance was just two huge ostrich feathers that she used 495 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: to cover up and just maneuver around. And then, um, 496 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: the the bubble dance was like a five foot balloon 497 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: that she just kind of rolled around. Um, yeah, it's 498 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, And dudes were like, what's behind the BALLU? Right? Pop? Yeah? Uh, 499 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: so we'll continue on in the nineteen twenties right after 500 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: this message. All right, so we're kind of back to 501 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: the twenties. I thought we were in the thirties. We're 502 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: jumping around a little bit. Uh. A very cool thing 503 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: happened in the nineteen twenties with burlesque, which was uh, 504 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: it was no longer all white. Um. It wasn't integrated 505 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: of course at the time, but there started to be 506 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: all black burlesque clubs, all Latin clubs, all Chinese clubs, 507 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: and really kind of spread. Like I said, though they 508 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: weren't cheering the stage, but um, at least they were 509 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: like representing their cultures. Can close off the money, right 510 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: you know? Well, you know you said something a little 511 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: while ago before the break, um that like the men 512 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: were like, what's like they wanted to balloon to pop. Um. 513 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: With the advent of the strip tease coming front and 514 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: center in a burlesque show, UM, the male audience increased tremendously. 515 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: The ratio of men to women in an audience really 516 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: skewed towards men. It became more about the strip tease 517 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: and less about the comedy, I think exactly, and so 518 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: the the audience became increasingly um men and randy men. Yeah, 519 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons why burlesque still today 520 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: um has a this kind of body um implication to 521 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because at that point it 522 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: kind of shifted some. Um, it became a little less intelligent, 523 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: a little less comedic. And then these strippers themsel else, 524 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: we're funny. They were trying to get yucks and stuff themselves. 525 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: But you would also, you know, you'd have like a 526 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: stand up comedian and then a strip tease. And that 527 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: was what the burlesque show kind of evolved today. And 528 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: that was sort of the beginning of the end because 529 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the comics moved on to like you said, 530 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: TV and film and took those x with them. I mean, 531 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: if you look at the comedy at the time and 532 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: still today, they're like elements of burlesque all over the place. 533 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: Oh for sure, you know, but I mean again, we're 534 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: talking like burlesque hata Hey day, like even more than 535 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: its first wave from about the twenties to the sixties. 536 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: And what's interesting is um that the women involved, like 537 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: um Gypsy had a movie made about her. Another one 538 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: who came a little later in the fifties, she was huge. 539 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: Her name was Blaze Star. Yeah, with two rs like 540 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: Brenda Star uh and Blaze Star. Um. Have you ever 541 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: seen that movie Blaze with Paul Newman and uh Lolita David. Yeah? 542 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: Was that that was about her? And she did this 543 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: really well known strip tease where um, there'd be like 544 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: a sette and she would just kind of maneuver around 545 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: it and everything and do your strip tease and end 546 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: up on it and then smoke would come out and 547 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: streamers would come down. Smoke would come out from between 548 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: her legs. The one I saw it didn't but it 549 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: was for TV, so they may have. She may have 550 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: altered it some. It looked like it was for TV. Um, 551 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: but it was, I mean pretty good stuff. Yeah. May 552 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: West famous screenstar. She started off in burlesque, and she's 553 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: one of the early ladies who embraces her sexuality and say, hey, man, 554 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: look at me, right, I'm a sexy lady. So it's 555 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: extremely popular. It's it's about as mainstream as it can be. 556 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: And then it's also kind of maybe hastening the sexual 557 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: revolution along a little bit um and then it basically 558 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: is killed. It's eaten by its own offspring. So the 559 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: reason burlesque went away in the sixties was because access 560 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: and availability of pornography became much more widespread around that time, 561 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: and guys didn't need to go to burlesque shows any longer. Yeah, 562 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: I guess, uh, you could call it the natural progression 563 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: of things that continues to this day. But yeah, hardcore 564 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: porn was available, and uh, it really died out pretty 565 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: quickly after that for a while, like for a solid 566 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: like forty years. Yeah. And there was a the one 567 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: noteworthy UM throwback or aspect revival of it. I guess 568 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: it was in nineteen seventy nine Broadway show that was 569 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: pretty successful. It had more performances. It was called Sugar 570 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: Babies starring Mr Mickey Rooney and MS and Miller Classic 571 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: and Um. It was a period piece, a backstage period 572 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: piece UM set in the nineteen thirties during the heyday 573 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: of burlesque shows, and it was about a burlesque troupe 574 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: in its performance. Yeah, that was you know, things come 575 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: back around owned and people become fascinated with the old stuff. 576 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: That was like the late seventies was the perfect time 577 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: to revive a nineteen thirties style thing. I think it 578 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: was a really big hit. But yeah, and they were 579 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: into the fifties then too. Remember the greaser thing with Grease? 580 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Seana, uh yeah, performing it would stock? 581 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: Did they? Yeah? They did, didn't they? Yeah. It always 582 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: baffled me until I sort of realized that, you no, 583 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: like ten or fifteen years after something's popular, people are 584 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: into it again, like Happy Days and Seanna, No, that 585 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: wasn't Happy Days. Yeah, good stuff. So Chuck wrote about 586 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: here seems like another a good time for a break 587 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: because we're about to go into the neo burlesque revival. Agreed, 588 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: So Chuck, you're back. So um. We'd say sometimes that 589 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, something didn't really go away, it just went underground. Yeah. 590 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily the case of burlesque. I 591 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: think it like went away. I think you would have 592 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: been hard pressed sure to find a burlesque show in 593 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah. Um. And but in the mid nineties, 594 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: two different groups independently revived it um and there were 595 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: two people who were basically at the heart of it 596 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: um Billy Madley in New York and Michelle Carr in 597 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: Los Angeles at about the same time in the nineties 598 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: revived burlesque. And it certainly didn't hurt that people like 599 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: Ditavantises were marrying Marilyn Manson and becoming Internet famous for 600 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: their throwback nineteen thirties style. But now you add tattoos 601 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: to that equation. Yeah, it seems to be a lot 602 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: of that, Yeah, with the burlesque scene now burlex scene. Yeah, 603 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: so let's talk about the neo burlesque scene. You've got 604 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: to keep in mind that burlesque already had this um. 605 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: Like I said, it's just kind of a body reputation 606 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: because the striptease was introduced in Pushed Front and Center. Um, 607 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: And so there's certainly an element to that, like the 608 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: the striptease is definitely still part of the neo burlesque scene. 609 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: But um, there's also as Julia Layton points out, it's 610 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: it's more you could call a lot of it more 611 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: performance art um or there's certainly elements of performance are 612 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: in the modern neo burlesque um act yeah, for sure, 613 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and they're also um with neo burlesque, 614 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: they are ah, shining the light on people who may 615 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: have not been on stage before, like plus size women, 616 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: or they would play with gender. Um, there's a performer 617 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: called world Famous. I want to say b O B. 618 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: Here's it just Bob? I think, I think b O B. 619 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: Whatever you spell your name with an asterisk capital bob 620 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: and an asterisk that you're kind of calling attention to it. Yeah, 621 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: and uh, b O B was a former drag queen 622 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: even though she was a woman, so she called herself 623 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: a female female impersonator. Yeah, so just basically messing with 624 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: these conventions. Um. That was a male performer name uh 625 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: tigger with an exclamation point. Yeah he's still around, is he? 626 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: That's what I figured. And he had a very famous 627 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: strip teach routine where he would be a priest courting 628 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: an altar boy. So they're definitely like pushing the boundary still. 629 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that was that definitely is the heart 630 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: of burlesque as it was originally created. I mean like 631 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: it's satirical, it's biting, it's um. It criticizes the powers 632 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: that be UM and uh, there's there's one out there. 633 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: And now there's a UM lady name Honey Wild who 634 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: does a Margaret Thatcher Regie, I've heard of her, and 635 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: at one point she there's a man um bent over 636 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: and on his bottom is the word labor and of 637 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: course with the you like the Labor party and Margaret 638 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: Thatcher spanking it with a riding crop. So this is 639 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: like it's burlesque as it was originally conceived by the 640 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: women in the nineteenth century who produced the earliest shows, 641 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: but it's melded with the heyday from the twenties to 642 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: the sixties. Um, where there's stripped ts and they there's 643 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: different acts. There's comedy elements to a stand up comedy 644 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: as well. Um so yeah, but it's also contemporized. Feel 645 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: like you've got Margaret Thatcher well fairly contemprised, right, It's 646 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: more contemporized than say like Greek comedies. And then um, 647 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: I saw one by the Devil's Playground Troop. They do 648 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: a Star Wars for Less, complete with slave layer. Of course, 649 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 1: the job of the hut makes an appearance very disturbingly. Um, 650 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: there's like a Stormtroopers. It's it's like, you know, I'm 651 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: sure nerd Heaven. Yeah, you're you're marrying several different things there. Yeah, 652 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: and you hit. You know you you mentioned it when 653 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: like you kind of see a lot of tattoo culture 654 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: involved in this. UM. It does seem like the neo 655 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: ber lesque movement pulls in from a lot of different fields, 656 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: like like tattoo culture, feminist porn um, the the original 657 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: burlesque stuff, performance and drag queens. UM. All these different 658 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: cultures kind of come together and um are are created 659 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: put into acts now neo burlesque acts. Yeah, it's it's 660 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: it's a cultural movement, even more so than just a performance, 661 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's bigger than that now and took 662 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: um I said, Uh, this neo burlesque um kind of 663 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: incorporates drag queen aspects to show like there are um, 664 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: the fluid gender um. It makes an appearance a lot 665 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: um And that's kind of appropriate because drag drag clubs 666 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: and drag queens and just drag acts definitely grew out 667 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: of burlesque UM, either as a parody of burlesque or 668 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: just from it as its own thing. Yeah, yeah, totally. 669 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: So it's it's had a huge cultural impact. Yeah. The 670 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: drag shows I've been too definitely just smacked of true burlesque. 671 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: The camp out the at the Yin Yang um, and 672 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: so it's very it's it's kind of neat that neo 673 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: burlesque takes all of the things that burlesque spawned and 674 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: just kind of brings it back together. Yeah. I think 675 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: burlesque is about acceptance. They're not a very exclusionary group. 676 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: That is neat A neat way to put it. You 677 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: just summed it up. So anytime you have a cultural movement, Chuck, 678 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: that means that you are going to have cultural critics 679 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: about it. Well, no, I mean we talked about the 680 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: running a file of feminism, um, and I mean that's 681 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: certainly I don't necessarily have a lot to speak to 682 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: on that because I don't really know what the answer 683 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: there is. I've just seen from what I've seen, it 684 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: seems like the burlesque performers are like, you're not getting this. 685 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: This is not about titilating men. If that's really what 686 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: you think it is, go to more burlesque shows and 687 00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: you will see and feminists, um, feminist critics of burlesque say, 688 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you dress it up, you're still 689 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: stripping and there's still men who are just you know, objectifying. Yeah, 690 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: in the audience. Yeah, but who wants to hear what 691 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 1: too stupid middle aged dudes have to say about it. 692 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: I feel like we shouldn't even have an opinion. Well, 693 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: there you go. I think that's what I was trying 694 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: to say, is I mean, this is more just bringing 695 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: up like there's a discussion going on in it. From 696 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: that viewpoint, it doesn't seem like it could be rectified. 697 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: It's more just like enjoy it or don't you know? Yeah, 698 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: I agree, Um ah, that's an opinion. Uh well I've 699 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,919 Speaker 1: already said I agree because I've gone to a show 700 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: where two and it's fun. Yeah. Well there you Uh. 701 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: The other thing that happens when there's a cultural movement 702 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: going on is you learn it. You can make a 703 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: little dough off of it because it's gone mainstream to 704 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: a certain degree. And if you live in a major city, 705 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: or maybe even a minor city, you'd likely have some 706 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: sort of burlesque class or school situation going on there. Right, 707 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: Atlanta's got a burlesque school. Um, They're all over the 708 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: place and basically just encouraging ladies to get out there 709 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: and have a little fun. Uh. There's one teacher named 710 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: Vivian Vum that says she teaches a room full of 711 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: librarians to bump and grind, and I bet it's a blast. 712 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: And that's another Those are two more words that we 713 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: can thank for burlesque. Four bump and grind. Those were 714 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: original terms for part of the act. Right. The grind 715 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: is making a circle with your hip. I wish people 716 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: could see moving your pelvis back and forth. Bump and 717 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: grind came from burlesque. This or just a video podcast. Uh. 718 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: There's a burlesque performer named Michelle Lamore whose um work 719 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: is cited in the introduction of this article. She does 720 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: something called Beethoven's Fifth Symphony watched where yeah, it's pretty impressive, 721 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: where um, she comes out in like a coat and 722 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: tails and um, nothing else pretty much Yeah, and uh 723 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: sits in front of a sheet music stand on like 724 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: a nice piano bench with her facing the audience right. Uh, 725 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: and then twerks the Beethoven's Fifth And she actually has 726 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 1: an instructional DVD called Booty Camp. I believe what torque 727 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: is that a new word for an old thing? The 728 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: DVD is called booty Le. No, it's a new thing. 729 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it's an old thing. No, people have 730 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: been twerking forever. They used to call it like you know, 731 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: backing that thing up or whatever, Like, twerking is not 732 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: a new thing. Are you sure? Because twerking is like 733 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: doing individual cheeks. Yeah, I'm positive. Cheeks is another word 734 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: that came out of burlesque as a as a euphemism 735 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: for bottoms. Cheeks. No, it's definitely not new, since there 736 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,959 Speaker 1: have been cheeks. Cheeks have been Okay, you manipulated for entertainment. Okay, 737 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: well then yes, it's a new word for it, and 738 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: it's it's Yeah, there's some people who excel at it 739 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: on the internet, like Carmel Kitten. Look her up because 740 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: she is hilarious. I guess in a way she um 741 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: it's like superhuman. Yeah, she has preternatural control over her 742 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: bottom muscles, her butt muscles. I keep saying bottom Like 743 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: there's two year olds that listen to our podcast. I 744 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: feel like I have no control. Well, you can work 745 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: at it, all right, I can do it. Yeah. I 746 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: can work on my ears too, as you know from 747 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: the Natural Selection podcast. No, but check check out Carmel Kitton. 748 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: She's hilarious. She she um tworks in random places and 749 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: then she'll say, the place that she's working at as 750 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: she's tworking, so she'd be like tworking in the library, 751 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,439 Speaker 1: tworking in the library, and like um, when she does 752 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: the tworking library, she looks at the camera and goes 753 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 1: she puts her finger up to her mouth while she's tworking. 754 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: She could probably make some money if I think I've 755 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: made a lot of money working it subway working. Yeah, 756 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: I think she's making it through YouTube ads. But yeah, 757 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: she's probably you know, she could replace Jared on subway 758 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: by somebody used to Wells North Jared, Well, he was. 759 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: That whole thing came out last week when he was 760 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: defending them for putting h oh, that's stuff in the bread, 761 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: toxins in their bread. Yeah, but I mean he kind 762 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: of has to. He's a very rich man because of them, 763 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: and a very fit man. He's lean. Good for him. 764 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: He's still a nerd well sure, but he knows he is. 765 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: He's Jared. I'm not a fan of Jared. Nope. How 766 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: do you dislike Jared? It's like disliking a friendly horse 767 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: or something, you know, like what the he could the horse? 768 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 1: I ever do to you? That just debugs me. Jared, 769 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: you are the first person I've ever met that didn't 770 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: like Jared, although I don't really talk about him a 771 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: lot now that I think of it. Yeah, if if 772 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: I saw Jared on the street, I would punch him 773 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: in the face. And I'm a non violent person. Well, 774 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: Jared's deer clear a chuck because you do something to 775 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: him that he don't like. Actually, i'd meet him at it. 776 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: Go oh dude, can I get my picture made? Well? Yeah, 777 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: see with Jared, He's like, I heard what you said 778 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: about me, So I guess that's burlesque. If you want 779 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: to know more about it, again, throw a rock, go 780 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: talk to the person that it hit, because it's probably 781 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: a burlesque trooper. Apologize and say hey, where are you 782 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: guys performing? And go see a show. Support neo burlesque 783 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: unless you are critical of it, and in case don't, yeah, 784 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: I don't go yeah. Um. And if you want to 785 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: know more about burlesque, you can type that word into 786 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: the search bart house to first dot com. And I 787 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: have one more point. I was wondering, what's the difference 788 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: between cabaret and burlesque. I don't know, they're virtually one 789 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: and the same. Cap well, which was first burlesque. I 790 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: think they co evolved, but I think burlesque was. Yes, 791 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: I think burlesque was technically first. Maybe cabaret was the 792 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: French version. No, it's not. I think the big difference 793 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 1: is the cabaret is a little more focused on singing 794 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: and dancing and like the band, but it's almost the 795 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: exact same. Burlesque was more about comedy and skits and yeah, 796 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: all right, okay, So I did say first bar a 797 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 1: little while back, which means it's time for listener mail. 798 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this um inquisition statements sexy. No, not 799 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: sexy at all. Hey, guys, recently listened to The Inquisition show, 800 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: and I had a story. I'm a reform Jew and 801 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: in my high school my rabbi told me a story 802 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: about visiting Spain. She was there on a scholarly trip 803 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: of some kind and befriended a local Catholic woman. My 804 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 1: rabbi eventually talked about Shabbat and the lighting of the 805 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: candles and the prayers. The woman said she had a 806 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: similar family tradition and invited my rabbi and her peers 807 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: to dinner on Friday. Before dinner, she and her family 808 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: went into the basement of the house and basically performed 809 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: a Shabbat service. The prayers were Jewish prayers, uh, though 810 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: the woman performing the service didn't know that. All she 811 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: knew was that on Friday, the family went to a 812 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: hidden place that was sort of secret. After looking into it, 813 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,240 Speaker 1: they found research saying Spanish and Mexican. Uh, Crypto Jews 814 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: aren't uncommon people who had converted during one of the 815 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 1: Inquisition but kept their traditions secretly, which we talked about. Um. 816 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: This woman had no idea why she was doing what 817 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: she did, but she continued to do it. Uh. And 818 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: that is from Brittany, And she says, PS. While I 819 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: do love your show, everyone else in my life hates 820 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: that I listen. It's like word Jared to those people. 821 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 1: I recently visited the UK and went to Warwick Castle 822 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: with my boyfriend. Oh yeah, we're despised at Warwick Castle. 823 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: They keep vultures there and I would not shut up 824 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: about defensive vomiting sky burials in Old World and New 825 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: World vultures. I'm surprised my boyfriend didn't lock me in 826 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: the dungeon. Huh. So that is from Brittany. Brittany, keep 827 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: on keeping on, you know, Yep, you just keep on 828 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: sighting stuff you should know. 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