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Speaker 4: right now for the Dallas Cowboys as they get ready
Speaker 4: for Week ones opponent against the Cleveland Browns and Cleveland, Ohio.
Speaker 4: Miss Simony cleved.
Speaker 2: Down on Lake. What you know about that?
Speaker 4: Yes, Heck Maharis, Barry Church is here. Newi Scruggs, you
Speaker 4: bring up some good memories. Hacked my hairs when.
Speaker 2: I lived in.
Speaker 4: When I was in Cleveland, man, the two things that
Speaker 4: you'd bump would be bone thugs and Jeral Lebert.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, that's the mail of Cleveland.
Speaker 4: Loved me Jail he was so one time I worked
Speaker 4: the Channel five up there and a big, big Jail
Speaker 4: Oft fan, Big.
Speaker 2: Jeril probably was the OJS fan first, Yes, yes, but it.
Speaker 4: Was a big, big Jerrel Lbert fan. And he had
Speaker 4: a song that we me and my frat brothers used
Speaker 4: to sing that he and Keith Sweating did the duet,
Speaker 4: just one of them things, and uh, great, great great. Anyway,
Speaker 4: I go downstairs because my office is upstairs. But downstairs,
Speaker 4: Jerald Lebert is in our building at the assignment desk. Yes,
Speaker 4: he's there because it was a pretty little lady worked
Speaker 4: on the desk. He finished the show. Man, I straight up, hey.
Speaker 2: Man, yes, yes, I said.
Speaker 4: We see one of them things all the time. Man,
Speaker 4: Me and the frid He was like, appreciate, appreciate, nice guy,
Speaker 4: super nice guy.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: Anyway, his passing, his passing hurt me. But a lot
Speaker 4: of great music. Uh down in the musical roots in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: You ever get a chance to go there. Uh, you
Speaker 4: want to go to a Browns game. You want to
Speaker 4: go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 4: you want to take in the game over at the
Speaker 4: old Jacobs Field now or whatever. They want to cool place,
Speaker 4: cool place, all right. So the Browns are two point
Speaker 4: favorites against this Dallas Cowboys team. The Cowboys are bringing
Speaker 4: Mike Zimmeran to replace Dan Quinn as the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: M HM. When Danny McCrae was a part of the
Speaker 4: players line. She was all about d Q and d
Speaker 4: Q we trust. How are we feeling about Mike Zimmer, Guys,
Speaker 4: y'all barry cowboys about this?
Speaker 6: I think using dan Quinn, I think it's gonna be huge.
Speaker 6: Do I think it's gonna be detrimental to where they
Speaker 6: won't have at least a you know, top fifteen defense,
Speaker 6: though I don't think it'll be that bad. But we
Speaker 6: all saw, you know, when these when this team switched
Speaker 6: coordinators from Marionelli to Nolan back a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: how how bad that went. And then Quinn came in
Speaker 6: here and he just shot this defense up with a
Speaker 6: bunch of life and a bunch of juice.
Speaker 4: And we saw how they played for that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: I mean, every single one of those players went out
Speaker 6: there and they gave it their all for dan Quinn.
Speaker 6: And whether it's turning over, turning over the football, getting
Speaker 6: after the quarterback, whatever the case may be, each of
Speaker 6: those guys had career seasons under dan Quinn. And that's
Speaker 6: something that I don't think people can just sit there
Speaker 6: kind of dismiss like, Okay, you know, we got the
Speaker 6: same players, just a different coordinator. I think it'll be
Speaker 6: a little bit harder for this defense to get back
Speaker 6: to where they were at least last year, not at
Speaker 6: the beginning of the season.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a bumpy road to start.
Speaker 6: But I think eventually, you know, they'll get the hold
Speaker 6: of Zimmer's defense and you know they'll start the role.
Speaker 6: They have too many great pieces on that defensive side
Speaker 6: to be just a terrible defense. I mean, you got Parsons,
Speaker 6: you got d Law, you got Digs, the guys on
Speaker 6: the outside, so you got the pieces there. But what's
Speaker 6: gonna be a little bit concerned to me is we
Speaker 6: already talked about it, which is that that run defense.
Speaker 6: And in Zimmer's defense, you know how he loves to
Speaker 6: play those guys back and I'm talking about the safeties.
Speaker 6: He loves to play those guys back. So it's gonna
Speaker 6: leave you with a light box against the run. And
Speaker 6: when Zimmer had those defenses in Minnesota, he had a
Speaker 6: prime Lynn vald Joseph, he had at Kendricks who was
Speaker 6: in his prime, those guys Anthony Barr. They were able
Speaker 6: to play the light defense because they had those big
Speaker 6: molly wops up front in linebackers. I can run sideline
Speaker 6: the sideline. Now we're talking about Zim. You know, probably
Speaker 6: eight years later Kendricks year eleven down, does he still
Speaker 6: have the juice to be able to be that sideline
Speaker 6: the sideline guy. And I don't know, lin Vald Joseph,
Speaker 6: you're twenty nine. I don't even know what year this guy'said.
Speaker 6: But he's been in the league, started six years old. Right,
Speaker 6: But it's a lot, all right.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying to me, if the road's gonna be
Speaker 4: bumpy a little.
Speaker 6: Bit at the beginning of the season, but I believe
Speaker 6: they'll catch a foot and I think they'll finish in
Speaker 6: the middle defensively, you know what.
Speaker 2: I think, Especially it's right, what do we doing the players?
Speaker 2: He put the spin on it. You know, I love that,
Speaker 2: And you're right, Danny was all about d Q age.
Speaker 2: He spoke highly of his his scheme and the way
Speaker 2: that he used his players. But I look at these
Speaker 2: defensive court now, I look at coaches period like parents.
Speaker 2: You know, you got parenting styles. You got one strict
Speaker 2: parenting and then you have the very liberal parents and
Speaker 2: free reigns kids. You know, all of that stuff. Mike
Speaker 2: Zimmerate the timeout parent, he the parent that go get
Speaker 2: the belt. That's that's the kind of guy. He is
Speaker 2: so got. What I'm saying is this is another just
Speaker 2: funny way to say he's more disciplined. He's going to
Speaker 2: take a more disciplined approach. You're gonna know exactly where
Speaker 2: he wants you to be. And I think that was
Speaker 2: completely different from Dan d Q. That allowed these guys
Speaker 2: to freelance, freestyle, do some other things. If they were
Speaker 2: going out here, it's kind of flexibility with what you
Speaker 2: were doing. We know what the secret sauce is to
Speaker 2: beating the Cowboys has been this way for years. Run
Speaker 2: the ball on them. They can't get off the ball,
Speaker 2: can't get off the field on third down. And oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, if they don't get to the quarterback
Speaker 2: and if they don't force turnovers, they look average at best.
Speaker 2: But he has to do no matter what is get
Speaker 2: those big guys up front, and he has to play
Speaker 2: sturdy in that defensive line. And that's why you bring
Speaker 2: in guys like Phillips. That's why you bring in lyn
Speaker 2: Vald Joseph that's been playing since Hee them's nine years old.
Speaker 2: Off the street, off the street, off the counts. You
Speaker 2: want to play. Yeah, yeah, we got something for you
Speaker 2: to do. But in the lake right now, are you available?
Speaker 2: As much as people want to make jokes about that,
Speaker 2: the thing about it is all you need is that
Speaker 2: guy to be able to make a difference in your
Speaker 2: linebacker room. And that's where I think you got better
Speaker 2: in the off season. You could say Kendrick's been playing forever,
Speaker 2: but hey, he's had consistent seasons with one hundred tackles
Speaker 2: and we have needed that tackling machine. But not only that,
Speaker 2: you've needed guys that can also play out in space
Speaker 2: and also defend. And what you're gonna need also in
Speaker 2: this situation is because if your your cornerback room, you're
Speaker 2: gonna need really smart linebackers to be able to play
Speaker 2: in and out of phase in areas so that you
Speaker 2: can protect your cornerbacks in the flat and underneath. Look,
Speaker 2: it's it's imperative right now going up against Cleveland, Stefanski's
Speaker 2: not going to change his spots. He's not. Stefans is
Speaker 2: not gonna change. He's gonna run that. And the thing is, now,
Speaker 2: when you you talk about Deshaun Watson coming off of
Speaker 2: a shoulder injury, there are some things that you haven't
Speaker 2: seen in the off season from him. Hell, there are
Speaker 2: things that you haven't seen from Deshaun Watson in a
Speaker 2: couple of years that if he starts to reconnect with
Speaker 2: some of that, it could be a bad experience for
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys in Week one.
Speaker 4: So what's Zimmer?
Speaker 2: I love him and I think he's going to make
Speaker 2: the difference on for this defense. Top ten, top defense.
Speaker 4: Don't fall forward, don't fall forward. He trying to get
Speaker 4: you in that trap where he was at top defense.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what are you talking about. I mean,
Speaker 2: I believe that we have we got Yeah, so they'll
Speaker 2: be they'll be top absolutely all right, Okay, the Dallas
Speaker 2: Cowboys have a top ten defense. Get back, get back
Speaker 2: to the book. Yeah, look at that. Yeah yeah, get healthy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: get healthy, my man, darrun Land. Yeah, that's a big one.
Speaker 2: That's a big one. And I think you have to
Speaker 2: come up for some of those awards early uh with
Speaker 2: with Kaylene car Carson. Yea, he changed his number.
Speaker 4: He got that one on him now.
Speaker 2: And to think about and to think about Carson that
Speaker 2: you also know that he's gonna be aggressive. And I
Speaker 2: feel like Al Harris, especially his secondary coach, is going
Speaker 2: to have him prepared for this moment. We know, we
Speaker 2: know exactly what the Browns are going to present. They
Speaker 2: got a lot of problems and they got Amari Cooper,
Speaker 2: So let's let's keep it a buck. And you know what,
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper two strict thousand yard seasons since he's been
Speaker 2: in Cleveland. He presents a problem, especially when you start
Speaker 2: talking about tray Von Diggs coming back on an a
Speaker 2: cl so Barry.
Speaker 4: When you have a new defensive coordinator bringing in his
Speaker 4: type of style here, how long is the adjustment period
Speaker 4: for guys on the field. It can be going from
Speaker 4: DZ it can be extremely long.
Speaker 6: But thankful for this team that at the at the
Speaker 6: marquee positions, the positions where you know they do the
Speaker 6: most communicating. They have veterans there that are brought in
Speaker 6: from a zimmer As system that understands we're talking about
Speaker 6: the Kendricks. At the linebacker position, who's gonna be And
Speaker 6: that's why I say he's gonna be probably the most
Speaker 6: important piece of his defense because he's going to be
Speaker 6: the quarterback back there. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have
Speaker 6: safeties making calls, but they're gonna be relaying the message
Speaker 6: that Kendricks said. At the second level, he's gonna look around, Okay,
Speaker 6: there's two by two two receives on that side. We're
Speaker 6: gonna be in this defense, and he's gonna have that
Speaker 6: relayed throughout the entire defense. And then you talk about
Speaker 6: a guy Linvald Joseph, even though I make fun of
Speaker 6: him for his age, he's gonna have to be that
Speaker 6: guy in there in the trenches that's gonna say, all right,
Speaker 6: this is how we're gonna set things up, this is
Speaker 6: how we're gonna play double teams. At least kind of
Speaker 6: show those guys the way. So if there was no
Speaker 6: one coming from the Zimmer Zimmer regime or Zimmer era
Speaker 6: when he was coaching defense that was on this defense,
Speaker 6: and I would say it was gonna take a while,
Speaker 6: it's gonna be a bumpy road. But you got guys
Speaker 6: in that those marquee positions that can relate to defense
Speaker 6: and get these guys at least lined up on the
Speaker 6: same page. Because if you're lined up on the same page,
Speaker 6: you got a chance. But if you got half of
Speaker 6: the field playing cover two, another half playing cover four, that's.
Speaker 4: When you get in those those ticky situations.
Speaker 6: So you got to communicator out there and hopefully he
Speaker 6: can take this defense and make it his own.
Speaker 4: So this is a game where a lot of people
Speaker 4: are talking about number four and the pressure run number four,
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you they got the wrong number four.
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott is a guy who led the league in
Speaker 4: touchdown passes last year, the first year in this Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy offense, and they brought his top target back. I
Speaker 4: don't worry about Dak Prescott because Dak Prescott has shown
Speaker 4: you he's still a top quarterback in this league. Deshaun
Speaker 4: Watson got a whole bunch of guaranteed money, has not
Speaker 4: lived up to any of it. And I'm like, anybody
Speaker 4: want to go ahead and put something on Watsons. I
Speaker 4: will tell you before he left Clemson, I said the
Speaker 4: Cowboys had to have a losing season. Have a losing season,
Speaker 4: Go get DeShawn wats I was sold on to Shawn
Speaker 4: wats I was sold on to Shot Watson more than
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, more than Mitchell Trubisky. Like this is the guy,
Speaker 4: Go get this guy. This guy's good. Took Alabama to
Speaker 4: the wire and two national championship games, walked out with
Speaker 4: one win and the second one and his fault. He
Speaker 4: was he the guy can't perform. When Nick Saban says,
Speaker 4: hey man, this dude has given us as much trouble.
Speaker 4: Last guy to give us this skin of troubles Cam Newton.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, this is the dude and Houston good
Speaker 4: player got paid in Cleveland and stuff on Twitter came out.
Speaker 4: It ain't been the same guy shoulder last year. This
Speaker 4: for all the people that talk about the accuracy of
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, please go look at DeShawn Watson. If you've
Speaker 4: had Deshaun Watson on the fantasy team anytime in the
Speaker 4: last three years, you know the pain. I've known the
Speaker 4: pain at the end of he was that backup about
Speaker 4: fantasy I mean, you want to find out about your
Speaker 4: quarter plays fantasy.
Speaker 7: Football, brother, I mean it's got to be behind how
Speaker 7: good the receiver.
Speaker 2: They're not magician topic.
Speaker 4: I mean getting joker. If you need to any fantasy team,
Speaker 4: he'll put some points up because that'll be his that'll
Speaker 4: be his outlet guy.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, hey, down, I want to
Speaker 2: offer this up. I want to offer this up about
Speaker 2: Cleveland because they went eleven and seven last season without
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson, only had him for six games. There are
Speaker 2: very few teams in the NFL that really you just
Speaker 2: got to drive the bus. And I know that's sacrilegious
Speaker 2: in quarterback talk, but just drive the bus. That's how
Speaker 2: good that defense is. You know, their defense is that good.
Speaker 2: I mean you could be in some ten U three
Speaker 2: zero games with Cleveland's defense. And I think, look, Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 2: for the money that he got paid, the pressure is
Speaker 2: gonna come with it.
Speaker 4: He's a fully guaranteed country and.
Speaker 2: Unheard of right. But you know, when I look at him,
Speaker 2: I think, look, man, if your offensive line can give
Speaker 2: you any push, your running game can be any semblance
Speaker 2: of what it has been in the past, it makes
Speaker 2: your job even easier, especially with the guys that you
Speaker 2: have on the outside. Jerry Judy, Mark Cooper and company. Look,
Speaker 2: just allow those guys to be them and don't try
Speaker 2: and do anything special. We know we're gonna he's gonna
Speaker 2: take those short dump off passes. He's not gonna be
Speaker 2: trying to go up the field. Initially, I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 2: and that's just how my feeling is on him. But
Speaker 2: I think this is gonna be a defensive game. And
Speaker 2: you saw I saw Flacco last season and he got
Speaker 2: broke off. Somebody's gonna pay him money because of the
Speaker 2: job that he did after Deshaun Watson was hurt because
Speaker 2: all he did was just come in and not mess
Speaker 2: it up, and sometimes that's all you gotta do.
Speaker 4: I disagree he took the ball down the field where
Speaker 4: Watson wasn't taking the ball down the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cooper Cooper was No, That's exactly what I was
Speaker 2: gonna say. I mean, when you have a weapon, I mean,
Speaker 2: when you when you have a weapon.
Speaker 4: That wind with Watson out there, I mean, because that's
Speaker 4: the part of playing in Cleveland, like that wind up
Speaker 4: there is tripping man.
Speaker 2: Watch. Yeah, when you don't have any weapons, but you
Speaker 2: know Cleveland has weapons, and they've always had guys that
Speaker 2: could be able to stretch the field, take the top off.
Speaker 2: I Meanmark Cooper is one of the best in the
Speaker 2: business at what he does. Exactly, my man, it's for you, uh,
Speaker 2: my man, d Mac. But either way, you know, you
Speaker 2: just when you have weapons the way that he does,
Speaker 2: he understood how to use him. And you think about
Speaker 2: Flacco when he played in Baltimore, He was tailor made
Speaker 2: for the job because what all he had to do
Speaker 2: was just not mess it up and take the shots
Speaker 2: when you had an opportunity to. It's true. Okay, that's true.
Speaker 4: My man says, it's true.
Speaker 2: VP. Now he did have a crazy playoff run. He
Speaker 2: was good. I mean he wait a minute, you mean
Speaker 2: to tell me with ray Lewis what you go? You
Speaker 2: go put that Super Bowl on on flocko. You're gonna
Speaker 2: tell me floo was the reason that Baltimore won the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl?
Speaker 4: Did I say it was the reason?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying you were you that.
Speaker 4: This was just sitting here driving the bus like he
Speaker 4: was Brad jam Johnson to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: That was not it, right, We've seen it. That was
Speaker 2: you've seen it. You've seen it.
Speaker 4: The show had to go make plays that year, and
Speaker 4: he did in that Super Bowl game when I was
Speaker 4: at New Orleans two. The dude made some plays and
Speaker 4: he was the m v P and that whole that
Speaker 4: whole run. But his own team didn't want to pay him.
Speaker 4: His own team, Hey man, you need to take this.
Speaker 4: He was like, no, I'm not taking that. I'm betting
Speaker 4: on myself. He bet on any one, and he won.
Speaker 4: And when he played last year in Cleveland, the guy
Speaker 4: was a better quarterback than Watson, and he was so
Speaker 4: good they couldn't bring him back too much turmoil. They
Speaker 4: couldn't bring him back.
Speaker 2: They put the trophy, they didn't put a statue of
Speaker 2: him outside the whole like that.
Speaker 4: The man, I give him his flowers for the super run.
Speaker 4: I give him his flowers for what he did last year.
Speaker 2: You know, No, you're on the island right there.
Speaker 4: You know that's fine.
Speaker 2: That's on the island with that. Say what you want
Speaker 2: to be one of the best defenses that come on?
Speaker 4: Now you Cleveland?
Speaker 2: Huh Cleveland?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cleveland definitely had one of the best defense.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Baltimore on won in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: The guy was not a bus drivers, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: The guy, the guy made plays. I ain't sitting there
Speaker 4: here calling Patrick Mahomes. But the guy made play. The
Speaker 4: guy was not The guy wasn't just sitting here driving
Speaker 4: the bus. He made plays and and they won because
Speaker 4: he was able to make plays. And he had Jim
Speaker 4: Calwells's coordinator in Baltimore too, who didn't get enough credit.
Speaker 4: But Jim dialed up some stuff and put Joe in
Speaker 4: a good spot and he was able to make some
Speaker 4: plays in their defense.
Speaker 2: Pretty good safety question. Safety question, let's take let's do
Speaker 2: you want to tease it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, got a safety question.
Speaker 2: Safety question.
Speaker 5: We have a.
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Speaker 2: we go to the safety question, let's do it? Okay?
Speaker 2: So in this in this match especially you're talking about
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer, we were talking about his scheme and what
Speaker 2: he's gonna do, especially coming up against the team in
Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski. He basically Kevin Stefanski came up underneath his wing,
Speaker 2: so he knows his scheme full well. Guys like Donovan
Speaker 2: Wilson and Marquise Bell your safety positions the way that
Speaker 2: you were just talking about the two high safety. Look,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to bring one of those guys down
Speaker 2: in the box if things start getting out of control
Speaker 2: or or you have to start scheming those guys up.
Speaker 2: How do you feel against that? With that matchup with
Speaker 2: Donovan Wilson not only in the run and run fits,
Speaker 2: but also being lined up over in Jukko and when
Speaker 2: it comes to run.
Speaker 6: Fits, I got no issue with with Wilson. I understand
Speaker 6: he understands the run game like the back of his hand.
Speaker 6: The guy's gonna come downhill like a missile. He's gonna
Speaker 6: fill his gaps.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be that.
Speaker 6: Explosive player that you want to see in a run
Speaker 6: game that get your defense hype with the big hit.
Speaker 6: So when it comes to the run game, I'm not
Speaker 6: really concerned about Donovan Wilson down there now when it
Speaker 6: comes to eventually because you know, we know Zim loves
Speaker 6: to play zone, but eventually you're gonna have to sprinkle
Speaker 6: in some man. You're gonna have to be in some
Speaker 6: third down situations where you gotta go man. And that's
Speaker 6: the situation where they're gonna have them Joku out there
Speaker 6: one on one against Donovan Wilson now is Najoekub Travis
Speaker 6: Kelce No, but the guy is a mismatched nightmare. When
Speaker 6: we talk about vertical speed and being able to use
Speaker 6: his body like a big rebounder out there, so he
Speaker 6: can definitely present some problems to a Wilson in one
Speaker 6: on one coverage, and I don't really see unless it's
Speaker 6: a you know, gotta have it down Zim saying all right, Wilson,
Speaker 6: we need you man to man on this guy.
Speaker 2: Lock him up.
Speaker 6: I mean that's just not his game. That wasn't my
Speaker 6: game when I played, and I don't believe that's Wilson's
Speaker 6: game is either. And when you talk about the run scheme,
Speaker 6: there's one thing that they can do. I don't know
Speaker 6: if they do do this or not, but they have
Speaker 6: an option to do so, which is a lot of
Speaker 6: people will play big nickel, which instead of having versus
Speaker 6: a twelve personnel so you got, you know, whatever, two
Speaker 6: running backs, one one tight end or vice versa, you
Speaker 6: would bring down Instead of having George Lewis at that nickel,
Speaker 6: which he's a good run defender as well, you would
Speaker 6: have that big nickel going there, which is kind of
Speaker 6: like a Marque's beak, which he would be that basically
Speaker 6: third linebacker in there, but he's a little bit better
Speaker 6: in coverage than a linebacker. That to me, would be
Speaker 6: the situation you would have there to go against the run.
Speaker 6: If the run is just outright destroying you, you're coming
Speaker 6: downhill versus your base personnel, you got to bring another
Speaker 6: speed guy in there, open field guy. You would bring
Speaker 6: belle down in there to be that big nickel package,
Speaker 6: and hopefully that will resolve some of the issues. But
Speaker 6: first and foremost, they got to get the inside, like
Speaker 6: were talking about, you know, safety is coming down, that's
Speaker 6: all outside work. If you can get that inside situated,
Speaker 6: if you can get Miley Smith to go in there,
Speaker 6: take those double teams and Kendrick can go sideline and sideline,
Speaker 6: then they won't have to bring these guys down. They'll
Speaker 6: be able to have those safeties back. But you know
Speaker 6: what they say, if it was a fifth right, yeah,
Speaker 6: we'd be drunking here. But zone zone typically is what
Speaker 6: you're talking about for coach Zimmer. And then you have
Speaker 6: a rookie who's gonna come into the situation already with
Speaker 6: the jitters. So for I mean Church, thinking about what
Speaker 6: your first game NFL.
Speaker 4: Game, you gotta help, gotta help you, gotta help you.
Speaker 6: Man, the waters are gonna be choppy enough as a
Speaker 6: rookie going in there your first NFL game. Like of course,
Speaker 6: these guys have been to you know that. Some guys
Speaker 6: sec there are used to big crowds, but the NFL,
Speaker 6: it's just it's just a different visa, just a different vibe.
Speaker 6: It's just a different feel and you're gonna be anxious
Speaker 6: out there. You need somebody to help calm you down,
Speaker 6: so you don't want to be tossed in the island
Speaker 6: your first National Football League game.
Speaker 4: So to me what Zimmer's going through, it's gonna sprinkle
Speaker 4: a lot of zone in there.
Speaker 6: To help the young man now and on man and
Speaker 6: man situations, lean of safety over the top, you know,
Speaker 6: just lean He ain't gotta be fully on top of
Speaker 6: the guy.
Speaker 4: Just lean him over a little bit to kind of
Speaker 4: discourage that quarterback.
Speaker 6: So the young man understands that he has deep help,
Speaker 6: because that's a big that's a big thing when you
Speaker 6: talk about a defensive back learning where his help is.
Speaker 6: If he understands where his help is and he has
Speaker 6: all right, I cannot get beat to the outside, or
Speaker 6: I cannot get beat to the inside. I got somebody
Speaker 6: over the top that'll help alleviate the will help calm
Speaker 6: him down a lot when he goes out there. Now,
Speaker 6: you can either lean a safety over the top, or
Speaker 6: you can help him play off off and have a
Speaker 6: linebacker buzz underneath. But they gotta help the young man out.
Speaker 6: I don't want to see, and you're always talking about this,
Speaker 6: I don't want to see a Chaz Green situation where
Speaker 6: they're like you know what, You're on an island against
Speaker 6: this guy one on one. He's beating you like a drum.
Speaker 6: But we're still gonna leave you out there. No, I
Speaker 6: believe Zimmer is one of the smarter defensive minds in
Speaker 6: the National Football League. So he's gonna help the young man.
Speaker 6: So you're saying, protect him. You got you gotta protect
Speaker 6: the top. You see the Mark Cooper running around, Yes,
Speaker 6: like that. He gives some of the best corners in
Speaker 6: the National Football League fits. You don't want to just
Speaker 6: kill the man's confidence. Go out there and watch the
Speaker 6: Martin Cooper one on one. He's dogging out the first
Speaker 6: to the first two whatever, the first two drives and
Speaker 6: you're like, man, I'm not ready for this game. Then
Speaker 6: the confidence gets shot. So you gotta help the young
Speaker 6: eye man. Now, let him go out there and make
Speaker 6: some place.
Speaker 4: What about Diggs? Do you put Trevon Diggs on a
Speaker 4: pitch count? Here?
Speaker 6: M If you have bland, I would say, yeah, you
Speaker 6: can throw a little throw, throw him a little pitch count.
Speaker 6: But without bland, you can't have him on and off
Speaker 6: the field. I mean, I want him to go out there.
Speaker 6: I want him to you know, if the training staffs.
Speaker 6: He's fully ready to go.
Speaker 4: Then days you gotta get out there and you got
Speaker 4: to perform. This defense is gonna need you.
Speaker 6: And I want the digs that still has that gambler
Speaker 6: mentality understand, you know, coming back from that knee, you
Speaker 6: don't want to you know you kind of figure out, man,
Speaker 6: Do I still got the jews?
Speaker 4: Can I still plan all that thing?
Speaker 6: But the worst thing I want him to do is
Speaker 6: go out there and play cautious, not play his game,
Speaker 6: give up a lot of catches underneath, just to just
Speaker 6: to watch that knee. Like, still have that gambler mentality,
Speaker 6: Still jump on round, Still be the guy that we
Speaker 6: know you are out there when fully healthy, But when
Speaker 6: it comes to a pitch count, you don't have the depth,
Speaker 6: You don't have the death right now to go out
Speaker 6: there and say, you know, hey, you only play thirty
Speaker 6: five forty plays here and there, we'll sprinkle some other
Speaker 6: guys in there, because who you gonna sprinkle in there?
Speaker 4: So let me add on this. If you're Cleveland, we
Speaker 4: got a rookie, got a guy coming up an injury,
Speaker 4: you're going to try to test them.
Speaker 2: Off the top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it might be the first play yeah, test that chance.
Speaker 2: To play action for sure. And you know, I always
Speaker 2: go back to situations like this when you talk about
Speaker 2: I've heard so many any players talk about Brett Brown
Speaker 2: and his preparedness and the way that he brings guys back.
Speaker 2: And I think about Trayvon Diggs and when he got hurt,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like end of the season playoffs, and this is,
Speaker 2: you know, beginning of the season, so I had plenty
Speaker 2: of time to heal from it. And then you look
Speaker 2: at you know, the acl achilles injury used to be
Speaker 2: like the death nail to a guy's career. Now you're
Speaker 2: seeing guys be able to come back and play with
Speaker 2: a c L M c LS. And I mean Joe
Speaker 2: Thomas came back grunk your man, you gotta find you know,
Speaker 2: he blew both of his you know, and was able
Speaker 2: to come back. Tom Brady blew in a cl and
Speaker 2: so guys are able to come back and play. I
Speaker 2: just feel like for Trayvon Diggs, it's the same with
Speaker 2: almost like Carson. It's that mentality, what do you do
Speaker 2: with your eyes? You know, where are your eyes? And
Speaker 2: see a lot? I see a little, see a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean little see a lot, right.
Speaker 2: And the thing about him is that even in that
Speaker 2: gambler mentality, I want him to play like you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But I think it's he's gonna have to get that
Speaker 2: confidence as the game goes on. And like you were
Speaker 2: talking about Kayln Carson, you was saying, look, man, play
Speaker 2: within the scheme and don't try and guess. You know,
Speaker 2: know where you're protecting, know where your help is. And
Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing when you play defense is knowing
Speaker 2: where your help is. And I think if if Diggs
Speaker 2: can do that, I think at some point, especially in
Speaker 2: the season, he'll let zim know.
Speaker 4: Look, yeah, I'm I'm ready to go, you know, go
Speaker 4: to double moves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that Mark Coopers for the doubles and
Speaker 2: you know who know that he's susceptible to the double.
Speaker 4: Road tied on road tide.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that should be a good matchup for sure. Do
Speaker 6: you see them you know, they didn't do it a
Speaker 6: lot last year. I don't even know if they did
Speaker 6: it at all last year. But do you see them
Speaker 6: traveling digs with with Cooper at all throughout this game?
Speaker 2: Wow? You know what, It's a lot to ask coming
Speaker 2: on because because I think I think one, because of
Speaker 2: the matchup and because of what you have going on
Speaker 2: with your with your cornerback room, I think everybody's going
Speaker 2: to get a full servant of them are Cooper. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna line up all over the field. And
Speaker 2: I think that's the one element of this game that
Speaker 2: they have right now that I think Dallas has to
Speaker 2: prepare for.
Speaker 4: How much juice is Mari half of this game? Oh,
Speaker 4: I think he's a player, he's out of team like.
Speaker 4: He's the type of guy that he won't put it
Speaker 4: on his sleeve. He won't show all that emotion under it,
Speaker 4: but you.
Speaker 6: Know underneath he's like, man, I can't wait wait, Yeah,
Speaker 6: so you know it because you know it's gonna send
Speaker 6: everybody to a panic.
Speaker 8: And.
Speaker 2: He ain't gonna show it.
Speaker 6: He won't say it before the game anything like that.
Speaker 6: But they'll be slight, they'll be slight notices and go
Speaker 6: out there and get the first down. He's gonna get up,
Speaker 6: shrug his shoulders a little bit. He might you a celebration.
Speaker 6: You know, he's not known for the celebration. He might
Speaker 6: get up and celebrate a little bit better. I think
Speaker 6: he's uh he's boiling for this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one of those people, man, thinking about this
Speaker 2: game and what I've seen on the film with the Browns.
Speaker 2: I feel like Mike is gonna come after. I think
Speaker 2: he has to. I think he has to. You know,
Speaker 2: we've had these conversations by defensive schemes. Make eleven guys
Speaker 2: look like fifteen guys and you know, create mayhem, and
Speaker 2: he's gonna he's gonna have to do that at the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage if he allows for Deshaun Watson to
Speaker 2: be comfortable in the pocket and maneuver and do it
Speaker 2: like you can't do that. And this is this is
Speaker 2: our opportunity. Everybody that wants to see how Zim is
Speaker 2: gonna use Michael Parsons. This is my part where I'm like,
Speaker 2: how now that you got your opportunity, how are you
Speaker 2: gonna use number eleven? And I think that that's gonna
Speaker 2: be the specialty that people don't have film on that.
Speaker 2: You know, teams are not gonna have film and they're
Speaker 2: gonna be putting that, compiling that as the season goes on.
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Speaker 4: ask the question do you put digs on a pitch count.
Speaker 4: The answer is, note, there's another player. Do you put
Speaker 4: this player on a pitch count. Let's dive into this
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Speaker 2: It's been a long time, been a long time. Hey,
Speaker 2: he knew, knew. I had the gumby, I had the gumpy.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 4: What's the gumpy?
Speaker 2: What's the go?
Speaker 8: I mean?
Speaker 4: Think about the last time the Cowboys, the things that
Speaker 4: were in style. Nobody had to cut. Nobody has cut,
Speaker 4: nobody has. Bill Clinton was the president, I mean Jared
Speaker 4: McGuire when he released When the Cowboys. Yes, yes, it's
Speaker 4: a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Man, Gonna thirty was a minute bro nine to say
Speaker 2: a picture of you were this gumpy man. Listen, I'm listen. No,
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Speaker 2: not gonna do is gask me up what you knew?
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Speaker 2: not gonna let you ask. What's the gumpy looked like? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: gumpy bro shoot.
Speaker 4: I was working in Cleveland that year. I say this.
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Speaker 8: Not so much.
Speaker 4: We asked earlier in the show, should there be a
Speaker 4: pitch count on corner Travon Diggs coming back from injury?
Speaker 4: And we said no. I asked this question now about
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb, the wide receiver just signed this big deal,
Speaker 4: missed all the training camp. Here is he on a
Speaker 4: pitch count because you get a hamstring pull, you know,
Speaker 4: some type of lower leg injury? Man, and you know,
Speaker 4: so how much do you play your key offensive your
Speaker 4: best offensive weapon.
Speaker 2: Let me answer this for you. Hell ain't no pitch
Speaker 2: count you out there? We outside, all right? We outside
Speaker 2: tonight we outside, No, sir, There's no way you could
Speaker 2: go into Cleveland with the pressure that they presented as
Speaker 2: a defense and limit anything that Ceedee Lamb has, because
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's gonna be all hands on deck
Speaker 2: you have to have, especially if you establish any kind
Speaker 2: of balance with that running game. If that running game
Speaker 2: is popping, Ceedee Lamb is going to eat because he
Speaker 2: is going to be matched up man man, and they're
Speaker 2: not gonna they're not gonna change their spots because they're
Speaker 2: coming up against Ceedee Lambing. When you examine this roster
Speaker 2: of the Cleveland Browns, they got some dogs. I know
Speaker 2: we're gonna dig deep into it tomorrow, so I won't
Speaker 2: go too far. But I'm just telling you you cannot
Speaker 2: go ahead. Well look look it's the thing is, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be disneyl Awards. Probably gonna travel.
Speaker 4: Some cold too.
Speaker 6: You can tell you cold. One Thorn Hill is cold.
Speaker 6: It's lighting up justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2: They have some guys in that secondary that don't play around,
Speaker 2: and look, you know why they don't. They have goons
Speaker 2: in the front. And look, we're gonna talk about guys
Speaker 2: like Miles Garrett. He is awesome, but Jeremiah or Wusu,
Speaker 2: Coreyl Moore, he is so one and here is the
Speaker 2: guy that brings all the energy to what they do.
Speaker 2: But honestly, it's like when you have that kind of
Speaker 2: pass rush, it makes life, as we've talked about, so
Speaker 2: much easier for those guys because they feel like, look,
Speaker 2: we can lock you up long enough for Miles to
Speaker 2: get home. But hey, we've seen in games versus Houston
Speaker 2: when that don't work, and that don't work, we got
Speaker 2: somebody that can work it. Now I'm with you on that. Heck.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it'd be hard to kind of
Speaker 6: kind of hide them out there a little bit, because
Speaker 6: you know, I was thinking, maybe you can take him
Speaker 6: out of a run, you know, rundowns and then bring
Speaker 6: them back. But then you know, coordinators are too smartness
Speaker 6: League and I'll black CD's out to stack them, but
Speaker 6: they'll figure it out. So it'd be tough to kind
Speaker 6: of get him on and off on a on a
Speaker 6: pitch count. Plus, like you said, if he's out and
Speaker 6: you're trying to be productive offensively, especially in a passing attack.
Speaker 6: Who who out there has proven was a time proofing
Speaker 6: consistency that they can go out there and win the
Speaker 6: one on one matchups. I mean Cooks back in the
Speaker 6: day could have I haven't seen it last year, ferg
Speaker 6: he hasn't not got that's my man for you, But
Speaker 6: he's I don't know if he can get you those
Speaker 6: big chunks like a CD can.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he can.
Speaker 6: He gonna get you those five to ten yards, but
Speaker 6: can he get you those chunks like CD camp, I'm
Speaker 6: not so sure. And then Tolbert, this will be his
Speaker 6: first you know season where he's gonna be, you know,
Speaker 6: a big time factor as far as offense, you know.
Speaker 4: Catching passes and stuff. So to me, you gotta play
Speaker 4: pay CD out there.
Speaker 6: You gotta make sure he's not on a pitch count because,
Speaker 6: like I said, coordinators will figure out when he's in
Speaker 6: and when he's not what this offense wants to do.
Speaker 6: And if he's not on the football field, it's gonna
Speaker 6: be hard for this passing attack to be productive.
Speaker 4: Let's in this with a yes no questions we get
Speaker 4: toward the end of this show, yes no, yes, no, yes, no,
Speaker 4: I like, and I'll started. Does Michael Parsons win the
Speaker 4: NFL Defensive Player of the Year award? Put me down
Speaker 4: his note B that's it big. He ain't gonna get it.
Speaker 2: No straight off. You know what, he's so dramatic, this guy.
Speaker 2: It's being down like god.
Speaker 4: New defensive coordinator.
Speaker 10: I got.
Speaker 4: You're still worried about what I see up front? You know,
Speaker 4: first place schedule right now.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't feel. I'm not feeling. I'm not feeling, So
Speaker 4: I go, I went right there. Look, I think my
Speaker 4: man is gonna rebrand this year. I think we're going
Speaker 4: from rebranding, we're going from the bazooka to the missile.
Speaker 4: When I he would be forever referred to as the missile,
Speaker 4: the missile for now and answers yes, absolutely, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: for sure. There's only one other man not named Reggie
Speaker 4: White that can say that they had the most success
Speaker 4: that he's had in his seasons as an NFL player.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go.
Speaker 6: Okay, for myself, I'm with I'm actually with Heck on
Speaker 6: this one.
Speaker 4: I'm with the Heck on this one.
Speaker 6: This man, I think was the past three years he's
Speaker 6: been top three you know, as far as you know voting.
Speaker 6: When it comes to the defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 6: and this year, I think he'll make not only you know,
Speaker 6: he'll get his sad.
Speaker 4: I feel like he'll get his ass.
Speaker 6: He'll be double digit sacked, but I'll make more impact
Speaker 6: plays when it comes to I think forced fumble, scooping funnels,
Speaker 6: maybe an interception here too. I think they're going to
Speaker 6: use them all over the charts. So yeah, I think
Speaker 6: this will be the first time. This will be his
Speaker 6: first opportunity the missile to get the missile my Badzuka,
Speaker 6: the mismissile miss won't get it done.
Speaker 2: But that you got, I mean yes and no, I'm
Speaker 2: on that. I will tell you what I'm selling you, dog,
Speaker 2: I'm not selling I ain't say. I ain't selling you good.
Speaker 2: You're good, You're good. I ain't no. Hope, that's real
Speaker 2: that you already know what Michael's bringing. So it's not
Speaker 2: am I selling you on nothing that Michae's got. The
Speaker 2: numbers are there. The numbers are there. You know it
Speaker 2: supports it.
Speaker 4: Let me let me ask you this. And y'all worried
Speaker 4: about the podcast? Are y'all worried about any of these
Speaker 4: four rookies that are going to be thrown into the
Speaker 4: starting lineup.
Speaker 13: Yeah, of course, yes, sir, Dyton guy, the BB left
Speaker 13: tackle man against mine left tackles.
Speaker 4: Yes, it should worry you. He was a right tackle
Speaker 4: in college. Left tackle out here. Cooper Bebe's never played center.
Speaker 4: He was an outstanding All American player at Kansas at
Speaker 4: guard h this is a change. Yeah, you should be worried.
Speaker 4: Corner out here, Jason Mark Cooper, you should be worried.
Speaker 4: You should have a concern. I'm not saying that this
Speaker 4: can't be a good rookie class. This is a tough
Speaker 4: team to go play and go on the road for
Speaker 4: your first game. So yes, you should have concern. I
Speaker 4: am I am a naturally just be concerned guy, because dude,
Speaker 4: you Jim Schwartz man, you are already rookies soon.
Speaker 2: Tackle.
Speaker 4: Let's figure out how. Jim schwartz is a really good.
Speaker 2: Coordinate and that's a super Bowl time and won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: This is a really good cordner. So he's gonna Everybody's
Speaker 4: going to test these guys, and you have to. Everybody's
Speaker 4: gonna test him. So and this is where Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: as a head coach, and I think Mike McCarthy when
Speaker 4: you look at the last three years and you're talking
Speaker 4: to look about rookies and where guys have performed, I
Speaker 4: think Mike's done a really good I don't think he
Speaker 4: gets enough credit, which is why I think is wild.
Speaker 4: And this man is on a one year contract and
Speaker 4: not not have an extension. Already he's done. He's shown
Speaker 4: you he can develop guys. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: I don't think they can be devel looked that they
Speaker 4: can't be good players. But this first game I just
Speaker 4: think is a challenge.
Speaker 2: Look for me, I've seen enough of Cooper BB and
Speaker 2: I know exactly what kind of player is. And you know,
Speaker 2: like you say, man, when you get to the arena,
Speaker 2: either some guys have it and they don't, and some
Speaker 2: guys just have that propensity to be that player that
Speaker 2: they won't it, you know. And he's that guy that
Speaker 2: I believe wants it, and I think he's in between
Speaker 2: two players that can elevate his game the same way
Speaker 2: that you see that offensive line out in San Francisco
Speaker 2: because of Trent Williams. When you have a guy on
Speaker 2: the left and right of you like Zach Martin and
Speaker 2: Smith Dog. I think that elevates and that makes things
Speaker 2: even more comfortable when you're going into war with the
Speaker 2: team that you know is going to pressure. You got
Speaker 2: two of the best and in the middle of the field.
Speaker 2: If you can open those holes and protect in the
Speaker 2: middle of the field. And I'm not saying that Tyler
Speaker 2: guy ain't got his work cut out for him, because
Speaker 2: he does. But you guys have pointed out the fact
Speaker 2: that you can get tight end help. You can ship
Speaker 2: him over to that side. But if I'm strong in
Speaker 2: the middle of my offensive line, and that makes up
Speaker 2: for everything that I need as far as gutting.
Speaker 4: This team defensively.
Speaker 6: Yeah, anybody any of those two that are starting to
Speaker 6: get the yaufu or I'm pronouncing all type of wrong
Speaker 6: Maris Maurris, You know, Carson on the outside, you're worried
Speaker 6: about any and no, I think I think the talent
Speaker 6: that I've seen from the linebacker room just in you know,
Speaker 6: out in Oxnard, I saw that as an upgrade. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 6: when you see Overshawn not be able to crack the
Speaker 6: lineup it with live out in front of him. Maybe
Speaker 6: what we've been thinking about Overshawan isn't accurate either, you know,
Speaker 6: and maybe we have something in this rookie who we
Speaker 6: already know.
Speaker 2: He's gonna fly around, he's gonna hit you. He's responsible
Speaker 2: in past pro you know, past coverage. He's and so
Speaker 2: that's what I'm I'm leaning on with Kaitlyn Carson. Like
Speaker 2: you just said, I'm playing zone. I got to save
Speaker 2: thee help over that. Yeah, don't go crazy.
Speaker 4: I got that got.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: So that's all if I mean, if we're to take
Speaker 2: in the group of like, oh no, I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what once you see that up there, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about it, man, But I think there's a
Speaker 2: way you could cover that up. You already you already
Speaker 2: said what it is, all right? Booi, Oh no, tomorrow
Speaker 2: we get started. Tomorrow, we get started.
Speaker 4: There is football. Tomorrow's the Baltimore Ravens against the Kansas
Speaker 4: City Chiefs. Yeah, we got one of those two teams
Speaker 4: will win the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 2: That's what You're not going to Jacksonville doing that. He
Speaker 2: was so cocky about it, cocking like rocket. I got
Speaker 2: something for y'all. He's got the Tarzann.
Speaker 4: I didn't call him.
Speaker 2: I was in on tremor. That was a stretch of
Speaker 2: the games. We've all had our our comings.
Speaker 5: That haven't.
Speaker 8: All right.
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