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Speaker 1: Ruby.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rich Swartz.

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Speaker 1: What is this world?

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Speaker 3: A Marco went and this this is Amazing Wildlife where

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Speaker 3: we explore stories of wildlife from around the world and

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Speaker 3: uncovered fascinating animal facts. This podcast is brought to you

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Speaker 3: in partnership with iHeartRadio's Ruby Studio and San Diego Zoo

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Speaker 3: Wildlife Alliance, an international nonprofit conservation organization which oversees this

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Speaker 3: beautiful place, the San Diego.

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Speaker 2: Zoo and the Safari Park.

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Speaker 1: What a lovely little spot we're at, right.

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Speaker 3: We are, we are, and it's perfect, I think for

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Speaker 3: this topic because they're.

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Speaker 2: Just down the way from us. I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: Are you referring to a large black and white mammals?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are a bear.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I can.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, we're at the San Diego Zo We're

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Speaker 4: right below one of my favorite spots for a canyon.

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Speaker 4: Back the way, we got tom I right there is

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Speaker 4: Andy and bear to our left we got sun bear

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Speaker 4: going on, really unique type of mammal, some of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, we're talking about the giant pandas.

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Speaker 3: Right we are, we are getting an update if you will,

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Speaker 3: because about this time, almost this time last year when

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Speaker 3: this episode comes out. We were announcing Pantas were on

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Speaker 3: the way. We're getting ready to show them.

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Speaker 2: That Panda Ridge was being redone.

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Speaker 3: So much activity and such a short amount of time

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Speaker 3: to get everything ready for these two awesome bears.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I know, And we actually we're talking before like

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Speaker 4: maybe about a month from when this episode drops.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be officially California.

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Speaker 3: Panaday August eighth, August eight, that was declared basically when

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Speaker 3: we opened Panda Ridge, officially that that was California Panaday

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Speaker 3: August eighth, and the very first anniversary of that is

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Speaker 3: coming up. So yeah, we want people to know it's

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Speaker 3: a very special day. We're gonna do some really cool

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Speaker 3: things for it. So keep listening and watching to find

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Speaker 3: out what's going on. Check out the Zoos social media.

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Speaker 3: They'll be posting a lot about it as well. But

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Speaker 3: I think really people are listening right now not to

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Speaker 3: hear about what we're doing for Panaday. They want to

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Speaker 3: about the giant pandas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a little bit right, friend, and so

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Speaker 4: I think we need to update everyone, including you and

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Speaker 4: I what's going.

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Speaker 2: On with Panda. Well, then let's ask Jessica our guests.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, guys. Yeah, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for hanging out with us, maybe to share

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Speaker 4: all these interesting things we love.

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Speaker 5: Talking about pandas, Like I spent all day talking about.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we don't have all day. We will fill as

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Speaker 3: much time as we need to. First of all, Jessica,

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Speaker 3: introduce yourself to our audience. What exactly is your title?

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Speaker 3: What do you do here at the San Diego Zoo?

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Speaker 3: And no, why do you know so much about pandama?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my name is Jessica. I'm a senior wildlife care

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Speaker 5: specialist here at the San Diego Zoo. I've been with

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Speaker 5: the San Diego Zoo for about six and a half

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Speaker 5: years now. I have been working with the giant pandas

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Speaker 5: since before they came. So I got to go to

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Speaker 5: and then that helped have a really smooth transition for

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Speaker 5: care team. They already knew my face, my voice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're sent Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: So then when they came here, I continue to work

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad he talked about going to China and working

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Speaker 4: Nikki was saying prior that you guys have been working on.

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Speaker 4: But I think though, guys, you know, before we get started,

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about it?

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Speaker 5: We have two wonderful giant pandas obviously that we brought

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Speaker 5: And then Sing Bao is our female. She's going to

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Speaker 5: They have been in both habitats. Both of them have

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Speaker 5: this San Diego love SOCOW lifestyle. Okay, it is very

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Speaker 3: Okay. So I think it's fairer than share with our

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Speaker 3: Why do panda fit our lifestyle here in San Diego

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Speaker 5: Giant Pandas fit that SOCOW lifestyle really well because they

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Speaker 4: So they yeah, I mean, you were laughing about it before,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so giant pandas are true bears, so they do

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, Amanda, Actually she's behind the camera right after,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I just got to keep on eating and

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Speaker 5: So they eat tons of food every day. We feed

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Speaker 3: Why would a species like the panda bear, which is

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Speaker 3: I think it's fascinating that the digestive system hasn't really

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Speaker 3: This is that other bears don't have, so they can

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Speaker 2: Okay, so kids, this is what you need to do.

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Speaker 3: That that's something we incorporate here. At the San Diego Zoo,

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Speaker 5: A lot of behavior specifically for being able to get

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Speaker 5: They love the pine tree, so they can climb all

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Speaker 5: the way to the top of that pine tree. During

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Speaker 5: this time of year, as we're starting to warm up,

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Speaker 5: they have been spending a lot more time underneath the

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Speaker 5: pine tree, so they really like to go under it

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Speaker 5: right now. We do have some cooling measures in that

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Speaker 5: area that help them thermot regulate, so they've got some

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Speaker 5: misters some airflow right there. So they do really like

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Speaker 5: to hang out under the Bonzie tree this time of year.

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Speaker 2: That's I love that cool, very cool, great insider information.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Guess must know exactly right. I have one more question

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Speaker 1: before we wrap up it.

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Speaker 3: So I've done research on this because I've had to

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Speaker 3: talk about panis before, and I think I know the answer,

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Speaker 3: but it's a question that does come up sometimes. I'd

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Speaker 3: love to hear your insight on it, if you even

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Speaker 3: because it was a theory when I read about it.

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Speaker 3: We look at some animals and they blend into their

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Speaker 3: environments so well, you know, you have the stripes of

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Speaker 3: a tiger, you have the stripes of the zebra, the

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Speaker 3: herd blends together. You have the spotted pattern of a

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Speaker 3: leopard or a jaguar blending into the jungle and the

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Speaker 3: depilated shadows, and the jungle you got grizzly bears at

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Speaker 3: dark brown they can't blend into the four and then

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Speaker 3: the Martian meadows. Really well, then you got the panda.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be a contrast across the board, strictly

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Speaker 3: white here and strictly black there, and very obvious and

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Speaker 3: easy to see.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's probably how people felt when they first

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Speaker 5: saw tigers. Right, they're like orange and striped. How does

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Speaker 5: that blend in? That doesn't make any sense for camouflage.

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Speaker 5: So the way that the temperate forests are that giant

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Speaker 5: pandas are native to They're broad leafed, big canopies, very humid,

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Speaker 5: very foggy, and muggy. Believe it or not, they do

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Speaker 5: blend in really well. There are times where we're looking

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Speaker 5: for our pan as, we do observations all throughout the

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Speaker 5: day that we're like, is that the panda? Is that

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Speaker 5: the panda? So those big black and white patches actually

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Speaker 5: are super helpful for broad leafed shade patterns. Okay, so

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Speaker 5: there are big patches of shade where that stripe just

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Speaker 5: blends right in and that white blends into maybe rocks

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Speaker 5: in that area, those super light gray rocks of those

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Speaker 5: mountainous areas, and they actually and did pretty well.

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Speaker 4: I mean it makes to me, you know, like a

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Speaker 4: scarlet mccauseference, like a rainbow colored pair that people aren't

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Speaker 4: familiar with that you think it wouldn't blend in. But

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Speaker 4: I've been in the Jungles and Costa Rica as an example,

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Speaker 4: I could barely even see them in the tree at

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Speaker 4: one point to blend in so well. Other animals see

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Speaker 4: different spectrums of color. You know, those herbivores in the

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Speaker 4: jungles with tigers, they don't really pick up that.

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Speaker 1: Ore and so yeah, right, and that's really cool.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I forgot I did have one question that it's

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Speaker 4: kind of a nerdy personal question, you know, but for instance,

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Speaker 4: in the past, you're probably the same thing. For instance,

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Speaker 4: when I was helping manage Castaway, as an example, I'd

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Speaker 4: have like a favorite part of the day and it

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Speaker 4: was for me, it was before gas showed up and

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Speaker 4: it was just me and the castaways and the sun

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Speaker 4: was filtering through the trees, and it was like my

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Speaker 4: favorite part of the day. So I'm kind of curious,

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Speaker 4: do you have a moment in your day that's like, man,

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Speaker 4: this is my selfishly best part of my day. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: tell me, do you have one of those?

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Speaker 5: It probably isn't the same every single day. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: would say that I love watching them eat, watching them

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Speaker 5: process bamboo amazing super strong jost length, and the way

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Speaker 5: they can just crack and split and they make it

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Speaker 5: look so easy. They make it, they make it look effortless,

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Speaker 5: and then just they're munching away. I love to watch

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Speaker 5: them eat when it's just quiet, and they really like

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Speaker 5: the quiet. So these guys live in forests, are pretty solitary,

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Speaker 5: so they prefer quiet, and when it's just quiet, and

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Speaker 5: they're just you know, they'll like franchise and they'll get

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Speaker 5: into it, and they love to eat, and they make

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Speaker 5: it look easy and they make it look fun. Right,

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Speaker 5: I've never eating never looked so enjoyable.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I kind of get it because in the beginning,

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Speaker 4: like what's the hype about giant pandas? And then it

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Speaker 4: finally wants to go see and I'm like.

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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I was the same way. I worked with

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Speaker 5: cats before and yeah, and I was like, well, I

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Speaker 5: mean their bears, bears are cool. And then once they

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Speaker 5: started working with them, I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: these guys are so cool.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 5: They just eat on their belly all the foods up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, always going to be a great time and you're

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Speaker 4: getting California painted eate. Perfect time to come to the

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Speaker 4: zoo and celebrate Rick. You're mentioning many ways or guess

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Speaker 4: can come and visit. There's an extra another experience like

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Speaker 4: a morning morning tour as well online Go online, Go online,

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Speaker 4: everyone look at the camera right now, go online.

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Speaker 1: The book that it's always a fun time. Oh that

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Speaker 1: was great. Thank you, Jessica than.

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Speaker 5: So much for coming out and getting an update on

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Speaker 5: the panda.

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Speaker 1: Yes now, and I want to find you looking at

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Speaker 1: those bears bunch in away.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, thank you, that was really great.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing panda crunch in my ear now.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you mentioned that the pandas make it

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Speaker 3: look so easy, and I remember early on in my

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Speaker 3: career here at the sin it goes on my area

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Speaker 3: that I was taking care of over two red pandas,

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Speaker 3: and the bamboo they would get was usually the stem

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Speaker 3: was no bigger round than your thumb, and I remember

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Speaker 3: once I was clearing that out, it wouldn't fit into

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Speaker 3: the receptacle, so I was trying to break it and

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Speaker 3: like you couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Do it, I couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: And then I come down and watch the giant pans

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Speaker 3: with these ginormous pieces of bamboo away like it's a carrot, and.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, how was that possible?

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Speaker 4: Wild Pa, I'm just smiling just because their job is

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Speaker 4: so awesome. And the last time we were talking giraffe

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Speaker 4: and giraffes around, they were learning about giants and oh,

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Speaker 4: the next one, we're gonna hint a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a fun behavior with maybe a jaguar.

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Speaker 3: Well, so there is an article that will be featured

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Speaker 3: in the journal. When I saw that in the lineup

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Speaker 3: of things, we have to find out more about this.

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Speaker 3: So it's about certain behaviors that were found and understood.

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Speaker 3: Then here at the San Diego Zoo, about the jaguar

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Speaker 3: and another species.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to give away too much.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, and we're gonna hang out at the ze Stelle.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I'm stay here. Sounds good to me, Fred,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, guys, and while Marco Wentz.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Rich Schwartz. Thanks for listening and for watching.

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