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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio, so.

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Speaker 2: Have an hour to go. The US Open champ JJ

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Speaker 2: spawn will join us coming up. Also, Brian Scalabrini, NBA analyst,

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Speaker 2: will stop by look back on what happened. Did Rick

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Speaker 2: Carlyle make the right decision? I know we could look

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Speaker 2: at the results, but Tyree's Haliburton playing in the second

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Speaker 2: half where he was nowhere near one hundred percent that

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Speaker 2: times it looked like he was barely fifty percent. But

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Speaker 2: Sga and Jalen Williams were incredible. They combined for seventy one.

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Speaker 2: If you combine assist and scoring, they combined for one

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Speaker 2: hundred and three. Oiler's Panthers Game six, as they like

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Speaker 2: to say, the cup is in the building tonight. If

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Speaker 2: the Panthers win, they go back to back, back to

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Speaker 2: the thunder against the Pacers. Even with Tyre's Halliburton scoring

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Speaker 2: four points, he didn't score a basket. It was a

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Speaker 2: two point game with eight and a half minutes to go,

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Speaker 2: and Rick Carlile defended being Tyrese Haliburton in He's not one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent, it's pretty clear, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 3: gonna miss the next game, and you know, we were

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Speaker 3: concerned at halftime, and he insisted on playing, and I thought,

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Speaker 3: I thought he made a lot of really good things

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Speaker 4: But he's not.

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Speaker 3: He's not one hundred percent, you know, And there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of guys in the series that aren't.

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Speaker 2: True, but he was the one limping. Guys are going

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Speaker 2: to be banged up, but he was noticeably limping there.

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Speaker 2: That's the difference. Yeah, I don't know why.

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Speaker 5: It cracks me up the way he clears his throat

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Speaker 5: in that clip though, but he's talking.

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Speaker 2: That they should have a cough button up there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we have cough buttons here. We don't always use that,

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Speaker 2: but there was like no attempt to, like normally what

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Speaker 5: It's like talking to you and go off right, play

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Speaker 5: it again, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: He's not one hundred percent, it's pretty clear. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna miss the next game. And you know,

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Speaker 3: we were concerned at halftime, and he insisted on playing,

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Speaker 3: and I thought, I thought he made a lot of

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Speaker 3: really good things happened in the second half.

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Speaker 6: But he's not.

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Speaker 7: He's he tried to hold off.

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Speaker 6: I have no idea. I have no idea, yes to

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Speaker 6: Could that.

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Speaker 8: Be a little bit of a nervous tick kind of

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Speaker 8: coffe where you're talking about something that maybe you made

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Speaker 8: a mistake somewhere and it's not the hottest topic you

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Speaker 8: really want to get into.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Age seven to seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick

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Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching on peacock, it's a streaming partner, or

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Speaker 2: just listening on the radio like the old days, Mike

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Speaker 2: and Washington, Hey Mike, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 9: They uh, just step in the past six to two

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Speaker 9: doing damage at one. I just want to say, man,

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Speaker 9: I've been listening to guys for a long long time,

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Speaker 9: and like the best shows there are always when the

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Speaker 9: really good interviews are on, and when I'm fortunate enough

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Speaker 9: to watch it on TV, you can see Dan kind

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Speaker 9: of swivel in his chair and turn so he's almost

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Speaker 9: like a one on one interview, like he almost like

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Speaker 9: forgets the camera. You guys have been doing a great

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Speaker 9: job for a long time. But I mean, just a

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Speaker 9: little advice like everybody else does. Whenever the show starts

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Speaker 9: to go poo poo, just start talking about Lebron and

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Speaker 9: the Cowboys? And do you think have guys have a

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Speaker 9: great day?

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, I think there's a compliment in there.

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Speaker 2: Was he suggesting that we start talking about Lebron and

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Tom, I think he was just taking a shot out

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Speaker 8: of another network.

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, okay. Who is Todd most like Lebron or

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Speaker 6: the Cowboys? Ooh, underachiever or m the hot one? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Or best Arrow was in the nineties. It's actually pretty close.

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Speaker 5: He actually really we had to really make that one work.

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Speaker 5: I think you're more Lebron than the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I never thought I'd be asked that

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Speaker 2: question today, but I'm glad somebody did. They finally asked

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Speaker 2: me that question. Mick and Reno. Hey Mick, what's on

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Speaker 2: your mind?

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Speaker 4: Dan?

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Speaker 10: Mick?

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Speaker 6: Dan, Mick? Perfect perfect show today.

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Speaker 2: Well we still have thank you, Thank you, Mick. Still

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Speaker 2: have fifty five minutes waiting for JJ Spahd to join us.

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Speaker 2: Jay in North Carolina, Hi, Jay, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Hey Dan? A big fan. I love Todd and I

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Speaker 10: was worried when you guys got the gong that was

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Speaker 10: going to be too much. But I'm thanking today. You

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Speaker 10: haven't used it enough.

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Speaker 2: I think Todd survived the gong after the first two

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Speaker 2: hours that there was only one gong, and I gonged

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Speaker 2: a listener. So I'm trying to I'm trying to use

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Speaker 2: it sparingly so when it does happen, it warranted. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: gong worthy. Do you think I should have used the

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Speaker 2: gong on you at all today?

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Speaker 10: I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I was just expressing my point, like I both do. Okay,

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Speaker 6: thank you about.

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Speaker 8: The perfect game thing.

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Speaker 2: He just won the US Open. He's JJ Spahn getting

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Speaker 2: ready to join us on the program. I mentioned this

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Speaker 2: yesterday at when we were at Pebble a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago. He came up and introduced himself and I

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Speaker 2: JJ spawn official introduction here, JJ Spawn US Open champ

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Speaker 2: joining us on the show. Do you remember how you

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Speaker 2: introduced yourself to me at Pebble Beach a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago?

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Speaker 4: Exactly?

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Speaker 11: No, but I do remember being there with you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you walked up and you said on the other

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I remember that now. I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations give me the second favorite shot that you hit

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Speaker 2: at Oakmont.

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Speaker 11: The shot on seventeen on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: But that was the risk and the reward there was.

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Speaker 11: No, I mean, that was the strategy all we long

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Speaker 11: that was the one shot that got me the lead

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Speaker 2: But also you're listening for the crowd's reaction to it.

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Speaker 2: oh that was a good shot, that was a great shot,

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Speaker 2: that was an unbelievable shot.

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Speaker 11: Exactly, and that's exactly what happened. You know, you can't

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Speaker 4: On the green.

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Speaker 6: How do you pay back Victor Hoblin for giving you

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Speaker 6: the read on eighteen?

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Speaker 11: I gotta give him a nice bottle of wine or something,

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Speaker 11: whatever he wants. That was a nice teach, and I

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Speaker 6: How surprised were you that it went in? Though?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 11: I mean, you can tell by my reaction that that

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Speaker 11: putter was so hot. I had to toss it, you know,

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Speaker 11: it was good pace. I just didn't know if it

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Speaker 11: And you know, I'm glad I didn't have to tap

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Speaker 6: Do you retire that putter?

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Speaker 4: Heck?

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Speaker 11: No, Dan, Come on, that thing's been so hot for me.

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Speaker 11: My lab putter has been like one of the best

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Speaker 11: I think it's been a great equalizer now and it's

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Speaker 11: to when the US open.

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Speaker 2: Talking to JJ spawn US open, chant, let's clear up

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Speaker 2: the overnight CBS trip for your sick daughter. What exactly

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Speaker 2: happened and why can't you send your caddie to CBS.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 11: It was a crazy sort of Sunday morning, early Sunday

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Speaker 11: crying for water. Poor things. She's two years old, and

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Speaker 11: you know, little does she know any sip of water

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Speaker 11: kind of you know, makes her feel worse. But yeah,

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Speaker 11: I was up at three thirty. I was looking for

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Speaker 11: twenty four hour pharmacies. You know, did my best to

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Speaker 11: get her what she needed. You know. Fortunately, you know,

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Speaker 11: we we got her some PDA light and we just

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Speaker 11: tried to, you know, help her get on the mend.

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Speaker 11: And she's doing a lot better.

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Speaker 6: Now though I smell a sponsorship there pd A light.

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Speaker 10: Yea.

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Speaker 6: How important was the rain delay?

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Speaker 2: Maybe that sounds strange to say, but was it a

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Speaker 2: great opportunity for a reset?

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Speaker 11: It was huge, you know, I think if if things

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Speaker 11: That would be kind of the last thing you want.

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Speaker 11: But it's almost like, you know, being down twenty points

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, a lot of fun. As rich Lerner said on

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's injured, but he's hurt Tyrese Haliburton,

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Speaker 4: those moments like when Tatum went down with the injury

439
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: I think their path would have looked very different this

440
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,479
Speaker 4: year than when now that like we don't know if

441
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 4: he's going to miss the entire year. But the clicktive

442
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 4: bargaining agreement, the second apron, the punitive repeater tax, like

443
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 4: they just don't make it feasible to keep these teams

444
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 4: together anymore. So I don't know who's the game. I

445
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 4: don't know if it's Holiday or Perzingis or both or Brown,

446
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: you know, like, I don't know what's going to happen.

447
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 4: I just know that the Celtics are going to make

448
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 4: a conscious effort to get underneath that tax, and we'll

449
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 4: kind of kind of we'll see what they end up

450
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 4: doing after that. But it kind of gave them a

451
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: natural reset with Tatum getting hurt.

452
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Speaker 6: Is Kevin Durant still that attractive Dan.

453
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Speaker 4: It's hard when you have so there's a few things right,

454
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 4: So they're in the second apron. You can't aggregate salaries

455
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 4: unless the team has space, so you have to take

456
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 4: a young team with cap space. And yet if they

457
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 4: have cap space, they usually have like a few good players. Yeah,

458
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 4: Phoenix wants those good players. So like when you add

459
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: it all up and if Kevin Durant was thirty, it'd

460
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 4: be very different. But when you add it all up,

461
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: it's going to be a weird trade and the Phoenix

462
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 4: Suns are not going to get the value they need

463
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 4: and the teams are going to say, we're fine, we

464
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 4: don't need Kevin Durant. You better take what we give

465
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 4: out there. It's it's it's not anything we've ever experienced before.

466
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 4: Remember those trades nine players for two, Like those things

467
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 4: can't happen anymore with the way the rules are so complicated. Yes,

468
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 4: talk to general managers or scouts or all these people

469
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: that know the cap Like it's there's not as many

470
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 4: options out there for Kevin Durant where he could pick

471
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 4: his pick and choose where he wants to go, and

472
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 4: then Phoenix doesn't have to send him to the places

473
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Speaker 4: he wants to go. So I think this trade is very,

474
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 4: very complicated.

475
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: And it feels like nobody cares about draft picks anymore.

476
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: They do, they do if you're in the lottery, you

477
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: care after that?

478
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 4: All right? So do you feel Dan that the East

479
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 4: is wide open with any Ndam making this run? Wouldn't

480
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: you say, like yes, okay, Like no one picked Indiana

481
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: to win a championship. I mean maybe one person have

482
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 4: one hundred, right, So I just think that that puts

483
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure on these other organizations. And what

484
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 4: do you want, Like, let's the Desmond Bain deal. Is

485
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 4: a pick this year, a pick next year at two

486
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: players that probably can't help you win a championship. Let's

487
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 4: just throw that out there. At Coldwell, Pope, you would

488
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 4: think yes, but he misshot, So let's just say no. Well,

489
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: that could end up being like forty million dollars of

490
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 4: salary the next two years, and you're not sure that

491
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 4: those guys are going to help you get over the hump. Now,

492
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 4: you could send all thats in a couple more assets,

493
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 4: and you're getting a guy like Desmond ban where you

494
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 4: feel like you can. So I think the teams because

495
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 4: of Tatum's injury, because of what Indiana did, maybe the

496
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 4: fact that you don't need all this three point shooting.

497
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 4: I think teams think about Nie Smith and Nemhar like

498
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: second round pick and a guy that Celtics traded are

499
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: starting in the NBA Finals and they have a chance

500
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: to win a championship. I think it fast forward to

501
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 4: a lot of timelines out there.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree the East is open. I don't know

503
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: if I could say the Knicks are, you know, going

504
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: back to the Eastern Conference finals. If the Celtics were healthy,

505
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: then they don't get there, Cavaliers. It feels like, you know,

506
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: all things fell into place for the Knicks. I still believe, though, Brian,

507
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: that the Knicks we're going to fire Tom Thibodeau before

508
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 2: the playoffs started, they were going to fire him. Then

509
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you have success, which you know,

510
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: the optics were bad, like, oh my god, he got

511
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: you to the Eastern Conference funds. I just think he

512
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: he won his way into good favor with the fans

513
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: of the reaction, but management wasn't going to keep him,

514
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: and then they don't have a successor that's what's surprising

515
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: right now.

516
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole thing is strange. And the goalpost was

517
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 4: classically moved here. You got to beat Detroit or you're

518
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: going to get fired. Oh you can't get blown out

519
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 4: by the Celtics, or you're going to get fired. Then

520
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 4: you beat the Celtics and somehow all of a sudden,

521
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: like we look at the Pacers, I think we all

522
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 4: can agree, like no one has analyzed that team correctly.

523
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 4: They're really good. They guard, they move it, Tyri's Halliburn's good.

524
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 4: And when they lost to the Pacers, somehow like they

525
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 4: management spun it, like the Pacers weren't a good basketball team.

526
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: So I just like, I think, I think you're right.

527
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: They had it in their mind and they were just

528
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: looking for a reason to do it.

529
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Speaker 2: Brian Scalabrini, Celtics analyst for NBC Sports Boston, co host

530
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: of the Starting Lineup on Sirius XM NBA Radio. Give

531
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: me your non white guy comp for Cooper Flag.

532
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I don't do the white guy. I think

533
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: I think it's Lebron James. But he's without having to

534
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 4: be like two hundred and sixty pounds and like a

535
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: freight train. Cooper Flag is a supercomputer, a super dan.

536
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 4: He's a super computer. Everything you tell him, within twenty

537
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 4: four hours, he figured it out, and next time you

538
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 4: tell him something else. I was working him Mount in Maine.

539
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: On day two. I pretty much came to him and

540
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: his parents and said, listen, I can't help you anymore.

541
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 6: You need to reach out explain how this happened.

542
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 4: So his trainer and me are really close friends. When

543
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: Cooper was not even a high school student yet. He

544
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: was a freshman, but he hadn't a high school game.

545
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 4: Cooper came down to play in my pickup game down

546
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: here in Boston. You know, it's about a three hour drive,

547
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 4: maybe four hour drive. He came down and he wanted

548
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 4: his trainer wanted me to get my eyes on Cooper,

549
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: and he told me I got a thirteen year old

550
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: that could play against you Maine kids and he could

551
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: hold his own. And Dan, I'm I don't believe that

552
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: for one second. It's another over exaggeration of a kid.

553
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: But after seeing him, I totally believe it. And he

554
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: said it would always be the same thing. He'd kind

555
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: of take like fifteen twenty minutes to figure it out,

556
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: and then he's like right there neck and neck with

557
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: twenty three year old twenty two year olds when he's

558
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 4: thirteen years old. Right. I saw it for myself. It

559
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: was the same thing when he came down and played

560
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: with us, and from then on, like I kind of

561
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: like made some phone calls like John Shire and USA

562
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 4: Basketball to like, no, I don't think you guys understand

563
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: this guy is like I've never seen anything like that before.

564
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 4: And over time I've been close to him and worked

565
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: him out and stuff like that, and they got to

566
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: a point where I just couldn't help him anymore. He

567
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: was just too good. He just picked things up. Workouts

568
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: are supposed to be challenging and you're supposed to push

569
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: guys to do something better than they normally can, and

570
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 4: he just kept mastering every single thing. And you talk

571
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: around around the NBA and you talk around about guys,

572
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 4: they're always saying Lebron is like that. Like Lebron can

573
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 4: act like he's not paying attention to shoot around, and

574
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 4: he can call every action, every play and what they're

575
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: trying to get and how they got this on with

576
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: four thirty six to go at this much in the

577
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, so watch out for it. And he's kind

578
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: of like not even engaged. So I'm not saying Cooper's

579
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 4: like not engaged, but I'm just saying I've never met

580
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: and I've been around a lot of players, I've been

581
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: around Hall of Fame players, I've never met someone that

582
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: just can pick up things at such a high rate.

583
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: And I think that that's when people talk about NBA players,

584
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: they wonder how this guy make it? And this guy's

585
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: six to eleven, and he's long and he's athletic, but

586
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: he doesn't make it. A lot of it has to

587
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: do with their computer, their processor, and he just processes

588
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: on a that I've never seen before. So I'm only

589
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: assuming that it's like Lebron James.

590
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 6: What's the best performance you ever witnessed in person?

591
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: Probably Lebron in Game six against the Celtics when they

592
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: were down three to two against in Miami, and he

593
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: just came in and like forty five thirteen and nine

594
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: and he didn't even break a sweat. It was probably

595
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: that I saw Paul Pierce when I was playing with

596
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: the nets. He had a subpar first half and he

597
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: dropped forty eight in the second half in overtime, and

598
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. I could not believe what I

599
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: was watching. And I didn't think like Chamberin could score

600
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: one hundred points in the game. I thought that that's crazy.

601
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: Then I watched Pierce score in a second half forty

602
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: eight in overtime, so that was up there. And then

603
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: I think that Vince Carter eight minute flurry of like

604
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: twenty five points or something like that in the first quarter,

605
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: and I was on his team at that time like

606
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: other worldly performances.

607
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: It's weird when I watched Paul Pierce because I don't

608
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: know if he does anything, he did anything really well

609
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: other than score, Like he he's just meant to be

610
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: a scorer. And I watch SGA and now SGA can

611
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: get to the hoop in mid range Jumper, but there's

612
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: no highlights there. They're just certain guys who are scores

613
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: who do it in a methodical way that you know

614
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: what's happening. It's not I'm going above you know, I'm

615
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: the rim or anything, you know, crossing you over. Crazy

616
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: and Pierce in SGA kind of remind me of each other.

617
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 4: That's funny that you bring that up, because I actually

618
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: he reminds me a lot of Jalen Williams, like the

619
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 4: guy who just scored forty last I'm like, it's Jalen Williams,

620
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: like a more athletic Paul Pierce. But Dan, it comes

621
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: down to this, and SGA's in this category, and there's

622
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: a few guys that are in this category. It's the

623
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 4: ability to navigate space with people on your body, like

624
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: typically when you are you know, like you are playing

625
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: defense and you have a guy on your body and

626
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 4: you can dictate them, right, That's what we do for

627
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: a living, Like, that's how we guard. But Paul was

628
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: never affected by that no matter. He like almost looks

629
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: and seeks out contact and encounters contact. And that's what

630
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: makes those guys, like you said, they're not. When you're

631
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: on a guy's body, it's hard to elevate way above

632
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: the rim, like it happens with separation. Michael Jordan the

633
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: greatest player ever because he separates, and because that when

634
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: he separates, he can elevate. Well, those guys don't separate,

635
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: but they stay connected, but they can navigate their space

636
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: while connected. That's what makes those guys special, but also

637
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: doesn't create super highlights.

638
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 6: Who's the best scorer? Who is the worst defender?

639
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 4: The best scorer, who is the worst defender? I mean,

640
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: it's gotta be some guy that doesn't.

641
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: Play well no, like you know, Barkley wasn't a good defender,

642
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: or Larry Bird wasn't a good defender.

643
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: It's going to be based off of size.

644
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 6: Like Iverson didn't you know really play them?

645
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't throw the ball anywhere near his vicinity,

646
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: you know what. Like I'll tell you a guy that

647
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: I covered in this. I don't want to be disrespectful

648
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: to Isaiah Thomas, but he was a six scorer and

649
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: it's not like he didn't try. He did try, but

650
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: he's like five to nine, right, I think it's more

651
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 4: about that. Like people talk about James Harden teams hard

652
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Speaker 4: as big as hell, and he has quick hands, so

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Speaker 4: you could say he doesn't defend or anything like that,

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Speaker 4: but he's long, he's big. His size comes into play

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Speaker 4: most of the time in the NBA. When a guy

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Speaker 4: can't defend, it's hard to even pick up. It's the

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Speaker 4: cumulative effect of one hundred possessions of a guy being

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Speaker 4: short with short arms that becomes an issue. But those

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Speaker 4: those big, strong guys like Barkley was the defensive rebounder.

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Speaker 4: You can give him credit for that, right, There's a

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Speaker 4: lot that goes into it, but being an undersized guard,

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Speaker 4: it's really challenging.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I brought that up, you know, Kendrick Perkins brought up

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Speaker 2: that the Joker wasn't a good defender and therefore he

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be the MVP whenever. That was a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, and I said, that's silly, because it's called

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Speaker 2: a defensive rebound.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and he's a really good rebounder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but all of a sudden, Joe ell Embiid should

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Speaker 2: win because apparently he played more defense I guess than Joker.

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Speaker 6: I just find it.

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Speaker 2: We pick and choose on who plays defense and who doesn't,

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Speaker 2: or we're going to call them out because they don't

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Speaker 2: play defense. Steph Curry doesn't play defense. I mean he

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Speaker 2: plays the passing lanes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's he's not awful. He's in world

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Speaker 4: class shape and he's strong as hell. So I think

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Speaker 4: I think the limitations for these guys are going to

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Speaker 4: be based off the size. Like Jalen Brunson in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: You know, now he's not a good defender, but.

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Speaker 4: It's just based off of size, Like it just adds

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Speaker 4: up over time. Every pass is not as contested, every rebound,

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Speaker 4: everything adds up when you are dealing with guys who

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Speaker 4: are small. But it's also credit to those guys how

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Speaker 4: remarkable they could be as players.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, how about Karl Anthony Towns. He can't play defense.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Go watch the go watch the Denver

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Speaker 2: series last year. He's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: That year, I know, but putting giving him dancing in

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Speaker 4: a pick and roll with Tyreek Calivern.

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Speaker 6: I know you gotta be careful because you know I

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Speaker 6: don't be careful.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying like, like it's one of these things that

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Speaker 4: Rudy Gobert last year. Here's a great example of that.

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Speaker 4: Rudy Gobert and Luka Doncic. Everyone is killing Gobert on that.

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Speaker 4: Gobert is one of the most defense the best defensive

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Speaker 4: players of our generation impact wise, but he gets isolated

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Speaker 4: two times on Luca and they think he's terrible. Like

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Speaker 4: that's that's a small snapshot of what a guy does.

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Speaker 4: His size is a factor.

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Speaker 6: So it's like Luca doesn't play good defense.

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Speaker 4: No Luca or his size, he doesn't play good defense.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, Finally he just came. You know what, Dan,

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Speaker 4: you just saw the equation. He's probably the best scorer

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Speaker 4: who doesn't guard.

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Speaker 6: There you go.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: We eventually got around to it. All right, Hopefully I

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Speaker 2: didn't get you in trouble.

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Speaker 4: I probably will be every time I'm on your show, trouble.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Brian.

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Speaker 4: All right for you.

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Speaker 2: That's Ryan Scalabrini, Celtics analyst and co host of the

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Speaker 2: Starting Lineup on Sirius XMNBA Radio won a title with

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Speaker 2: the eight Celtics. I was going to work him. I

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Speaker 2: was going to eventually get that answer out of him.

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Speaker 2: Take a break, Last call for phone calls.

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Speaker 1: After this, be sure to catch the live edition of

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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six

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Speaker 1: am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.

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Speaker 2: Last call for phone calls? What we learned, What's in

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Speaker 2: store tomorrow? Shoho Tani threw twenty eight pitches, his first

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Speaker 2: outing since August of twenty twenty three, gave up a

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Speaker 2: couple of hits in a run. More importantly, the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: had to win over the Padres through one pitch over

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Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour and the other one just

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Speaker 2: under one hundred. Also went two for four with two RBIs.

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Speaker 2: That's why when you go, oh, how'd you pitch? Okay?

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Speaker 2: How'd you it okay? A couple of couple of RB eyes.

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Speaker 2: Not many pitchers get that opportunity to go. I didn't

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Speaker 2: pitch very well, but boy did I hit well. Let

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Speaker 2: me see Danny in Virginia. Hi, Danny, what's on your

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Speaker 2: mind today?

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Speaker 10: How are you listening to? Your last bit? With Brian

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Speaker 10: and you're trying to jam him up over who can

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Speaker 10: shoot but not play defense? He could have shut it

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Speaker 10: down immediately. The immediate answer is who can shoot and

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Speaker 10: not play Dan defense? Is Dan Patrick.

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Speaker 2: I chose not to play defense, Danny. Yah, it was

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Speaker 2: a conscious decision. But but yeah, we were talking about

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Speaker 2: NBA players. But thank you, Danny ran on the bit too.

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Speaker 4: You did pretend to play defense when you scored a basket?

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Speaker 1: I did. Who's not?

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Speaker 6: Hey plays all play man?

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Speaker 2: What nobody tries to play or looks like they're going

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Speaker 2: to play better defense than the guy who just scored it.

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Speaker 2: As you go down the floor and you're telling your

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Speaker 2: team and hey, pick him up, get him over there?

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Speaker 2: Come on, now, come on, pick up? Mean while, if

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Speaker 2: you missed the shot, you don't say anything. Can't do

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Speaker 2: it all myself. Guys, let's go everybody in.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, come on, who's got them?

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Speaker 4: Who's got come on?

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Speaker 12: Shooter?

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Speaker 6: Well for sure, I know this day and sports history.

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Speaker 6: Paul got a couple for you here.

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Speaker 7: Ted Williams home run five hundred, nineteen.

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Speaker 6: Sixty Oh murrayded.

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Speaker 7: A new one for Ted. Nineteen seventy six, it was

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Speaker 7: announced that the NBA and ABA would merge.

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Speaker 4: Oh the O. J.

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Speaker 7: Simpson Bronco Chase was tonight Hello Twitter, same night as

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Speaker 7: Rocket's Knicks.

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Speaker 6: Right, yeah, I'm stare at the Garden. Yes, yeah, I

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Speaker 6: was there.

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Speaker 7: In twenty twelve, Dale Earnhardt Junior won at Michigan.

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Speaker 6: On this state.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two, Charles Barkley traded to the Phoenix Suns.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Hornseck, Andrew Lang and Tim Perry. How did that

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Speaker 2: work out? Horny four ABA teams, the Nets, Pacers, Nuggets,

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Speaker 2: and Spurs all merged into the NBA. That was nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy six. I love the ABA. It was so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Three point shot, red white and blue ball, and you

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Speaker 2: did have some big time stars there. It was fun,

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Speaker 2: fun to watch that style of basketball. But I also

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Speaker 2: liken it to the AFL because they had to be different.

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Speaker 2: The NFL was kind of stodgy, you know. It was

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Speaker 2: three yards and a cloud of dust. Maybe you'd throw

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Speaker 2: the ball fifteen times in a game. And even the NBA,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the NBA had great players, great teams, but

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Speaker 2: it wasn't as exciting as the ABA was. And then

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Speaker 2: the ABA got a couple of these guys, you know,

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Speaker 2: doctor j was there. David Thompson. David Thompson could have

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Speaker 2: been one of the greatest players ever. You know, had

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Speaker 2: personal problems, but watching him against UCLA and Bill Walton

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Speaker 2: and that guy. You know when you see somebody have

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Speaker 2: a forty inch vertical and Walton is seven feet and

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Speaker 2: David was probably six' Four and he wasn't a great,

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Speaker 2: shooter but he was a great. Scorer and he went

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Speaker 2: to The, nuggets played in THE aba and he had

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Speaker 2: he nearly won a scoring.

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Speaker 6: TITLE i think he lost out To Ice.

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Speaker 2: Gurvin But David thompson was one of those guys that

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Speaker 2: you watch and you, go, damn he's.

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Speaker 6: Different, Yes, MARV i knew he was.

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Speaker 1: Different When Michael jordan Asked David thompson to present and

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Speaker 1: present him into The hall Of, fame.

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Speaker 13: M i was.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 4: Damn.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah there's certain players where you watch and you're just

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Speaker 2: You're you're lucky you got to see. Them AND i

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Speaker 2: pointed this out on numerous. TIMES i got to See

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Speaker 2: DOCTOR j in THE A B a and he was

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Speaker 2: great in THE, nba but he was different in THE

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Speaker 2: A B a that he was before everybody won a great.

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Speaker 2: Shooter he was a great scorer and dunked in. Traffic

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Speaker 2: it was just end to. End he was get him

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Speaker 2: out in the you, know running and THE aba was

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Speaker 2: about running and, gunning and that's what made it so much.

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Speaker 2: Fun let's go around the room see if we learned anything, Today,

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Speaker 2: todd you learn anything?

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Speaker 6: TODAY i?

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Speaker 10: DID jj.

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Speaker 8: Spawn appreciate the nice teach From Victor howin on. Eighteen

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Speaker 8: we'll send him a nice bottle of wine or.

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Speaker 4: Something main't?

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Speaker 2: Cheating what about you at Jjspwon good, Dude Marvin todd

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Speaker 2: isn't A. Karen he's just a. Ram, yeah not a Full.

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Speaker 2: Karen it's just the r En. Paulie would you Learn.

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Speaker 7: Paul pierce once had forty eight in the game where

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Speaker 7: he had two at?

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Speaker 2: Halftime, todd what DID i? Learn on Today's award Nominated, Progress.

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Speaker 8: Ryan scalbrine Describes Cooper flag as a. Supercomputer show him

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Speaker 8: something and he figures it out right.

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Speaker 6: Away thanks for joining. Us we'll talk to you. Tomorrow