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Speaker 1: Hey wan to welcome in. I'm done, Gotti. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball man. You're gonna love the content we got

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Speaker 1: coming out of the Final Four. Before we get to

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Speaker 1: the men's Final four, I want to do something really cool.

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Speaker 1: I want to bring in Nikki Collin. Nikki is the

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Speaker 1: head coach of Baylor. I have known her since I

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Speaker 1: met her on my visit to Marquette. She started her

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Speaker 1: career at Purdue, playing the Final four, transfer to Marquette

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Speaker 1: and actually, if you look through, if you go way back,

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Speaker 1: Nikki back when she was the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Dream was one of my guests in the first

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Speaker 1: year of the All Ball podcast. So we caught up

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Speaker 1: with Nikki shortly after after the Iowa upset of lsqu

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Speaker 1: When you took the job, would you honestly.

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Speaker 2: Think what did I honestly think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Like you think, like what am I getting into?

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Speaker 1: Like you walk in, I mean you've been doing this,

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Speaker 1: You've been doing this a long time as an assistant

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Speaker 1: and then going to the w n B A you

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Speaker 1: could get a job as Baylor's head coach. Like what

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Speaker 1: what do you think the job would be like? And

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Speaker 1: maybe what is it like in comparison? To that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, I'm probably pretty can say now that I

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Speaker 3: was pretty naive.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think that you get you get to our age,

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Speaker 3: and you think you've been through it and you're you're

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Speaker 2: I don't think I quite knew just the.

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Speaker 3: How it would feel, the comparisons, the expectations, the you know,

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Speaker 3: because I think when you when you're in this chair,

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Speaker 3: regardless of who you're replacing, I think you you always

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Speaker 3: think that you're going to put higher expectations on yourself

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Speaker 3: that any than any exterior expectations that might be out

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Speaker 3: there or feelings. But I think that the uniqueness of

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Speaker 3: the timing when I took the job, within i don't know,

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Speaker 3: six weeks, we found out OU and Texas were leaving

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Speaker 3: the Big twelve, and it was, oh, my gosh, are

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Speaker 3: we even going to have a league? Are we going

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Speaker 3: to be Power five? What's going to happen to us?

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Speaker 3: Nil kicked off that July one, but really has taken

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Speaker 3: on a life of its own in terms of what

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Speaker 3: that looks like with collectives and everything else. And so

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Speaker 3: I can't even say that the job I took is

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Speaker 3: the same job that I'm doing right now because of

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Speaker 3: those things, because of NIL, because of conference realignment, because

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Speaker 3: it's been more difficult than I thought.

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Speaker 2: I think there you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Think there have been moments where I have had the

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Speaker 3: what did I do? And at the same time, at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, me as well

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Speaker 3: as anyone on this front, like I freaking love basketball

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Speaker 3: and I love people, and so at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, like I still get to do something that

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Speaker 3: that I think, I think my authenticity sticks out because

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Speaker 3: and this is how we're going to do it, and

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Speaker 1: The part that I I was I was like trying

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Speaker 1: the job changed, right, It's like, you know, there was

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Speaker 1: Dawn took over at South Carolina. But now it's like

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Speaker 1: And then you factor in all the other stuff like

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Speaker 1: When was the moment where women's college basketball maybe not

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Speaker 2: I think the transfer portal was a big part of that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think when you start talking about you know,

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Speaker 3: because I think generationally, you know, you chose a school

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Speaker 1: Turn, right. That was That was that was the play, right,

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Speaker 1: No one wants to you had you had you had

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Speaker 1: You know, but usually you only wanted to go somewhere

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Speaker 3: Obviously we you know, we have heroes and villains and

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Speaker 3: seeing you know, I will tell you that even in

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing, you know, all of these pop up you know,

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Speaker 3: And I'm recognizing that, you know, I've watched these kids.

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Speaker 2: Like three for twenty. Yeah, but the highlights you know,

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Speaker 3: Know, Like it's kind of so we've we've created in

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say, created a monster, but this

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Speaker 3: whole idea of even with young people, we've created these

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Speaker 3: she is unbelievable, and she's just going to get better

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like I actually kind of know know this.

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Speaker 1: But what was the adjustment like to the college game

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, spending most of my career in college,

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Speaker 3: I think I wasn't surprised. I think there have been

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Speaker 3: It's it's so easy when you're coaching pros. I don't

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Speaker 3: even with that, there's there's a huge difference in basketball

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Speaker 3: get people to understand. You know, they they've heard the terminology, Hey,

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Speaker 1: What it's interesting is I've never and and you know,

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Speaker 3: we had recruited as kids and in the past, and

436
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: it was just like, hey, Jordan, this is you already

437
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: have an undergraduate degree, you have a master's degree, like

438
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: you were going to Baylor to win and to learn

439
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: to be a pro, and like this is perfect. You know,

440
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: you're I mean, Jordan just took post back classes anyways,

441
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: I mean, how many more degrees could she get? And so,

442
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: you know, for them, I was I was an easy

443
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: yes too. And there were there were ones that I questioned.

444
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: You know, we had a guard that would have been

445
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: phenomenal in our system that had already transferred in had

446
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: been sitting out that year because she transferred at the semester,

447
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: and you know, it was.

448
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 2: It was like, you came, You're.

449
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 3: A You're a five to six guard who's going to

450
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: be fantastic in drags and step ups in early secondary actions.

451
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: You're gonna be good in pistols because you can shoot it.

452
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: You know, like this is a perfect system for you. You

453
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: came to Baylor to win, and you came to Baylor,

454
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 3: but you know, you came to play in a very

455
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: post dominant offense where you were going to come down

456
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: and probably throw it to Listen Queen, you know, and

457
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: I'm going to put you in actions with Listen Queen,

458
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: you know. And so I just I just think sometimes

459
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: they listen to other people, they listen to the wrong voices,

460
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: and so, you know, and then there are other kids

461
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: that were down to like I've got one year left,

462
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: I've already got my Baylor degree. And you know, I

463
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: was really honest, Like I was very very honest with

464
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: every kid I met with, like I don't want you

465
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: to leave.

466
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: I want you to stay.

467
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 3: There were there were but you know, hey, if there's

468
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 3: a place like if you haven't played many minutes here

469
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: and you think I'm the person that's going to give

470
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: you minutes, like I just wanted to be really clear, like,

471
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: if there's somewhere where you think you can go play

472
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 3: thirty minutes a game, and that's what you want at

473
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: this point in your college career, then you should absolutely

474
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 3: do it. But I also left the door open for

475
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: all of them to return, like, hey, you've still got

476
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: a skip here. I'm not offended that you want to

477
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: go see what else is out there, talk to other

478
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: coaches that had recruited you in high school before you

479
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: chose Baylor, And so I just tried to be really

480
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: really direct and really honest and you know, give people

481
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 3: those opportunities to figure it out, you know, and everyone

482
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: that went went out and tested it left, you know,

483
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: no one like later said Okay, I want to come back.

484
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: But I also think that you know, I've seen those players,

485
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: moon Erson and other other kids that that chose to leave,

486
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: But I've stayed in contact with you know that that

487
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't offend because I just was really

488
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: really honest with them, whether it was we need you,

489
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: we want you, versus hey, like I don't know that

490
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: you're suddenly going to play more than you did this

491
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: past year, but it's going to look different, I hope

492
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: it'll feel different.

493
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: When was the point that you felt like it was

494
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: completely your program?

495
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: I would say this year.

496
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: You know, I really feel like over the course of

497
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: the summer, you know, we got the opportunity to go

498
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: overseas and kind of have that experience starting practice early,

499
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, really implementing stuff.

500
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it started to turn last year, and.

501
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: I will I will say even our first year, like

502
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 3: I felt like our returners were bought in, absolutely bought in.

503
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: I think they they were really happy with with how

504
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: we were doing. But I would say this year, when

505
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, we're opening the season in the

506
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: second game of the year, We're playing a top five

507
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: team in Utah, and we're beating them, playing our game

508
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: with pace, with spacing, with you know, like it was

509
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: It wasn't just because the two previous years we had

510
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: gotten better as the season had gone along, But I

511
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: felt like at the beginning, when you're playing those marquee

512
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: matchups in November and December, losing to Michigan, losing to Maryland,

513
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 3: you know, we had never like kind of gotten over

514
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: the hump on those early season top twenty five, top

515
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: ten matchups, and I felt like it was like a

516
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: little bit of a defining moment when we were able

517
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: to beat a top five team and it was the

518
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: last time that that Utah team was fully healthy, you know,

519
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: was the team that was a preseason packed twelve champion,

520
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: was a preseason you know, like from there, they had

521
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: their their point guard got a concussion and she missed

522
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: six weeks and then there's seventeen points a game. Wing

523
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: you know, injured her broke her foot or something two

524
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: weeks later. So that was the last time that Utah

525
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: was really full strength. And so it was in that

526
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: moment where I saw us play with passion and poise

527
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: and you know, tempo and lots of different players scoring,

528
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: and we were you know, we had more assists than Utah,

529
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: you know, who is a national leader every year in

530
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: assisted baskets. You know that I felt like, okay, we've

531
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: figured this out a little bit, like this is who

532
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: we are. We're going to play fast, we're going to

533
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: share the ball, we're gonna you know, there's just going

534
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: to be amazing energy and and you know, we got

535
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: after it defensively. You know, so I felt like early

536
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: this year we just kind of started to say like this,

537
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: this is who we are. And this is how it looks,

538
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: you know, and we want to assist on like between

539
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: sixty five and seventy percent of our baskets. So, you know,

540
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: I think I think that's when I saw it really

541
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: really start to unfold.

542
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: To go into Texas. You know, you're underfeed to start

543
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: the year. You've beaten, You've beaten Miami, wasn't didn't end

544
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: up maybe as good as as people thought they could be,

545
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: but you're you know, you're undef you had your role

546
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: into Texas. Texas is good and it's Texas and he's

547
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: obviously a big time coach. Well, uh, what was that

548
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: like to roll in there and get a win? You know,

549
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: I was really kind of your first big, big twelve win,

550
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: maybe your biggest win at that point of the year.

551
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know it was.

552
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: We've I've been lucky enough to say that I've won

553
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: three times at Moody and so playing in Austin has

554
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: been really good for us. And uh, I think that

555
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: I always feel good there because for some reason, Sarah

556
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: Andrews loves to play there and whether it was the

557
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: old old arena or or the new one these last

558
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: two years, I just think she's played with unbelievable poison

559
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: presence in that building and seems to like it just

560
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 3: really seems to like playing there. And I think our

561
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: young guys that were freshmen last year that went in

562
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: there and won against all odds in February a year ago,

563
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: just had a different confidence at that point. I think

564
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: we went in there really really confident. But I thought

565
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: our prep post Christmas was really really good as well.

566
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: And so hard. But for I don't know how you

567
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: feel like I always feel like Christmas it's just hard, man,

568
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: just because you kind of have a rhythm and a flow,

569
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: and yeah, maybe you need a break from each other

570
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: for a day or two, but it can screw you

571
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: up because.

572
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: Well and that's your fear too, like you're coming back.

573
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: Texas snuck a game in, you know, they came back

574
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: earlier and had a tune up game. And by tune up,

575
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: I mean they played Jackson State, who you know has

576
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: just owned the swack you know, the last few years

577
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: and has been a team that isn't out playing thirteen

578
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: power five teams in the non conference and going one

579
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: in twelve or zero and thirteen like they have played

580
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: at a high level. And so that was my greatest

581
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: fear was out of break. You have the downtime. You know,

582
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: as much as you say do something like even if

583
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: you don't pick up a basketball, like go for a walk,

584
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: you know they aren't. You know, they're eating Christmas cookies

585
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: and you know all all the things that you do

586
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: over a Christmas break, and and then you don't have

587
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: a tune up game.

588
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: So you know, you do worry. You worry in that situation.

589
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: You worry like, hey, we're opening the season against the

590
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: team picked to win the conference and it's at Moody

591
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: and it's on Fox. You know, like it's it couldn't

592
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: have been a bigger stage. But I will say the

593
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: thing about this team this year is they they enjoyed

594
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: the big moments. They absolutely tended to play their best

595
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: when the when the bright lights were on. You know,

596
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: it's I'd love to say that all the time, Like

597
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: our preparation dictated, you know, how we were going to

598
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: step out on the court. I think we had some

599
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: players this season that were way better gamers than they

600
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: were practice players, and that's obviously frustrating as a coach.

601
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: But at the same.

602
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: Time, like when the lights came on, you know, they

603
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: they tended to be ready to go. They tended to

604
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: be dialed in. They listen, they're they're sharper.

605
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Were you a good were you a good practice I

606
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: was a terrible practice player.

607
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: Oh see, that was the opposite I was. I mean,

608
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: it's so funny, like this was such a cool moment

609
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: for me, but I we we're practicing in Shishewskyville at

610
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: Nike headquarters and in in Walks my college teammate Leslie Johnson,

611
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: and I haven't seen her in probably twenty years, Like,

612
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: had no idea she was coming, you know, And it

613
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: was just, you know, there are there are moments in

614
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: sports where you're just like, like my heart was so full,

615
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: and like she talked into the huddle after the game

616
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: or after our practice, and I introduced her to my

617
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: team and they could tell like I was just like

618
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: I was beaming, you know, and my dimples get huge when.

619
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 2: You know I'm I'm I'm happy. But you know she was.

620
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: She was talking to them about the impact that I

621
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: had on her, you know that no matter how she

622
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: showed up, like I was always going to push her.

623
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: I was never.

624
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 3: You know, I just I was the energizer bunny and

625
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: I lived for I think that's why I am who

626
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: I am. You know, I think it's it's kind of

627
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, the uh you know as well as anyone.

628
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: It's the the Rick and Linda Taggert. Like the expectations

629
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: were high, you know, I was. I was raised with

630
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're going to show up the right

631
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: way and every walk of life whenever you do something,

632
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: you know, And so that's why it was engineering for me.

633
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: That's why it was you know, like there were no shortcuts.

634
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: And so I always felt like if I didn't prepare

635
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: the right way, I wouldn't play the right way. If

636
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: I didn't take the most shots, then I wasn't going

637
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: to see the ball go through the basket, you know.

638
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: And so but it was interesting to hear her talk

639
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: to the team about, you know, kind of because she was.

640
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: A lazy, lazy player. She was uber.

641
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: Talented National Freshman of the Year our freshman year when

642
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: we went to the final four, she was unbelievable. But

643
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, she wanted to show up and hoop in

644
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: the games, you know, and so I wasn't.

645
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: It wasn't that I didn't I didn't want to show

646
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: up like I I brought to all the all the

647
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: energy and leadership. I just couldn't. I don't know, I

648
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: just wasn't very good. I just never I always And

649
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a like, you know, my my issues

650
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: in my game. Obviously hear my confidence in my shooting,

651
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: but maybe it was like just an overall lack of confience.

652
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: But I just always felt like I'm not very good

653
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: in practice. You know, there's nothing I can do. I

654
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: would have you know what, No.

655
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: No, a long time, I've never I've never heard you

656
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: say that, you know, like I think that I know

657
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: and I were similar though in a lot of ways,

658
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: because you know, like I would, I would talk about

659
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 3: like even even my college coach was like, I don't

660
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 3: know why you spend so much time in the gym

661
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: shooting when you're going to get an open shot in

662
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: the game and you're going to attack, can try to

663
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: just shoot off anyway?

664
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 2: You know, like no one takes more shots and shoots

665
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: fewer shots.

666
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh totally No. That no, that I would That's it

667
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: wasn't a question. So it wasn't a question of like

668
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: work at, working at like none of that stuff asked

669
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: the question. I just couldn't. I just I don't know

670
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: if you want to call, like I couldn't get the

671
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: magic to work when it just didn't work, maybe because

672
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: all the guys knew everything I was going to do

673
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you know, it's it was such a small.

674
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: On those passing lanes when they know you're not going to.

675
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: Shoot already totally. But but yeah, I don't know what

676
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: it was. I just was I never felt like I

677
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: was a good practice player, and I mean, you have

678
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: good practice when you play well, you dominate part of it.

679
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: It was also like he was a big especially at

680
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Oaklhoma State, like well actually both McCloud's problem was everything

681
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: was like half court had hand combat. So I never

682
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: forget like we just do twenty six seconds in the

683
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: shot clock half court possessions, like it's so realistic, but

684
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: it's so also takes away like half of my game,

685
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: like everything I like to do everything in the open

686
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: court and no space for anything. And then for coach Sutton,

687
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: he just stopped practice all the time to talk, you know,

688
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: and like when he just let it go with scrimmaged

689
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: like it was like that I can get some flow gone.

690
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: But you know, like it just practice is dragged on

691
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's so interesting. It's so different now as

692
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: I go around the country and you go watch people

693
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: practice and how some guys just do a great job

694
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: of getting guys to bring the energy every day and

695
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: making it at least somewhat fun. Like you know, you

696
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: get to February, it's not you're tired of being around

697
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: each other, your your body doesn't feel great. The coaches,

698
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: it's like you said, you got all this other crap

699
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: you're working on. But I do think that generally most

700
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: do a better job of making it enjoyable than maybe

701
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: they used to.

702
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: But I just wasn't we have to have to, you know,

703
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, the reality is you have to today, Like

704
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: it's I even had to make changes when we were struggling, okay,

705
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: And I've always believed that we are going to watch

706
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: a film every day, not thirty minutes of film, but

707
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna watch ten minutes of film every day in

708
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 3: the preseason. It's the practice before or it's hey, we're

709
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: putting in these actions today, like I want you to

710
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: see the rockets run them, like I want you to

711
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: see the raptors run these actions, like I want them

712
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 3: to see them, like look perfect, you know and see

713
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: the flow and the energy of them, you know, But

714
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: we hit the mid midway point of our season when

715
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: we were kind of we ended up, you know, starting

716
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: fourteen and oh, then going through to a ten and

717
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: seven stretch and then finishing with another like nine to

718
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: one stretch type of thing, and so you know, I'm like, okay,

719
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: how do I you know, We're going into the film room,

720
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 3: We're watching twenty minutes of film.

721
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: They're sitting in the dark. Then they're going to wait

722
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: and weather.

723
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a heavy lift, or it's just a recovery,

724
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: or it's whatever. It's thirty minutes. And now by the

725
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: time we get them to the court, they've they've shown

726
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: up at the you know, at the practice facility, They've

727
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 3: done their their rehab, prehab whatever to get ready, they've

728
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: watched film, they've they've gone to ways and now I'm

729
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: getting them and they're already like I'm tired of being here,

730
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 3: you know, like it's I'm I'm literally you know, I'm like, Okay,

731
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: we gotta we got to flip this somehow. You know, Okay,

732
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: we're gonna watch film, but we're gonna watch We're gonna

733
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: watch five minutes of film before we start, and it's

734
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: gonna be on the court, you know, and we've we've

735
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: got a TV on the court, you know, and and

736
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: our new practice fuility it'll be built in. It'll be great.

737
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: But you know, we're we're just gonna change the energy.

738
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: We're gonna hit the court right after that. If we're

739
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: going over an opponent's plays, I'm not showing them before practice.

740
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: It's like, right before we do that segment. Hey, come

741
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 3: on over here, here are the three plays we're gonna

742
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: go over. Here's what the looks are like.

743
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: We we created a better tempo. And that's year three

744
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: for me. You know.

745
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: You like you have to figure out every team, like

746
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: how you're gonna get the most out of them, you know,

747
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: because their attention span is not going to be as long.

748
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: And we did way way, way less. You know, I've

749
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: always incorporated. I've had assistant coaches come to work for

750
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: me and say, like, I've never worked with someone who

751
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: did more shooting in practice, you know, and like like

752
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: just mixed it in and you know, and all of

753
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: a sudden, it was like, all right, we're not doing

754
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: that anymore. We're going to get to the nuts and

755
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: bolts of what we need to get done, and then

756
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: we're going to make sure that we're doing player development

757
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: outside of that, you know, and then we'll get more

758
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 3: period of time.

759
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: And so wait, help help me out with this. Wait,

760
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: so you you you scrap that, or you dial that

761
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: back as the season goes on, or you continued that,

762
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: because I actually I love that, Like I think, you know,

763
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: coaches get so caught up in you know, fixing, you know,

764
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: tinkering with and finxturing, whereas like you're still got to

765
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: used to get shots up. You do skill development at

766
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: all times because end of the day, ball has to

767
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: go in the basket right of the Yeah.

768
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: We've always done it. I think we're going to change

769
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 3: even how we kind of install instill it next year too.

770
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: We're already talking about it because I've always believed in

771
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: in season player development, you know, every year, like practice time.

772
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Our first year was super short.

773
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: We had seven players, We got people in and out

774
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: of reps really really quickly. Then all of a sudden,

775
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 3: you have a thirteen player roster and you don't have

776
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: that much separation between your top five and your next

777
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: four or five, and so now you're like trying to

778
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: get everybody reps, and you're in the gym longer, and

779
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: I'm measuring, you know, all the measurables, like how many

780
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: miles are they getting in practice?

781
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: Will?

782
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: Why does it feel like we're here so long? You know,

783
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 3: and you recognize, hey, like we're we're putting the same

784
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: amount of stress on their bodies or just here longer

785
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: because we have more players and so they're getting fewer reps,

786
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: they're standing more, and so like, how do we how

787
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: do we continue? So we've always done it. I think

788
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: we got down the stretch this year and I'm like,

789
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: I'm going to be in and out of the gym

790
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: in an hour and twenty. But everyone's going to get

791
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: three thirty minute individual workouts a week figured out, you know,

792
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: figured out in your schedule, and we're going to do

793
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 3: a better job of even scheduling class around between nil

794
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: and the way these kids are getting paid, you know,

795
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: like it's they can have that, you know. Yes, we're

796
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: still under the twenty hour rule, which I'd like to

797
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: say should disappear as they continue to get paid and

798
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: paid more. But I'll always prioritize them being good students

799
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: and getting a degree because at the end of the day, Like,

800
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: I'm old school enough to know how important a degree

801
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: is for all of our players, and we don't have

802
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: one and done's and they're they're not going to make

803
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: a million dollars in their first year, even if they

804
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: are an amazing pro.

805
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think it's important.

806
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: But we've switched it up in terms of this is

807
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 3: a generation that has been individually.

808
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: Coached their whole lives in this game. Like they don't

809
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: feel like a guard workout with four guards is.

810
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: The is being trained. They don't feel like that's being developed.

811
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: And to some degree it is, and some degrees it isn't.

812
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: You know, when you get to in season, what shots

813
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: are you getting? What shots are you consistently getting within

814
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: the offense? I think your player development changes from off

815
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: season to end season, you know, And okay, are we

816
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: trying to improve, Like you don't go left very well.

817
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: We're spending the whole off season working on you know,

818
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 3: you going left well?

819
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: In season?

820
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: If you can't go left, we're working on, Okay, how

821
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: can we get you to your spots right? Because you know,

822
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: like we aren't gonna we aren't gonna fix something now,

823
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: but let's enhance, let's enhance something. So I think that's

824
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: that's a big, big belief for us. Really good for

825
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: us down the stretch was getting them all back in

826
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: the gym, getting a volume of shots up, you know,

827
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: but but shortening practices.

828
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: You know. It's what's interesting is the coach individually aspect

829
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: of it. What the coaches and I'm wondering if it's

830
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: the same in the women's game. They all say is like, look,

831
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: they've worked on their game probably more more than we did.

832
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: Whereas we just went out, My guys, you just go play.

833
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: And that was my dad would just drop me off

834
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: at the park and just like just go play. And

835
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: so they but they've worked on their game more, but

836
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: they watched less in terms of full games, right, they don't.

837
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: They don't like the men's game. They don't watch basketball

838
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: that much. They watch NBA or but it's more in

839
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: clips like were we started by talking about all the

840
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: court side films and whatnot with the films, so they

841
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: they know who a lot of the other players are

842
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: just as much or more than we did. Right, And

843
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: they've obviously with the with AAU and travel like you

844
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: play against everybody, But they don't have the basketball i

845
00:44:53,719 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: Q is lower in terms of in game understanding. You know.

846
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: It's like I mean, I like, I compare it with

847
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: the death of the motion offense, right, Like, you can't

848
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: run motion because you get a kid in college and

849
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to run motion offense. He has

850
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: no clue and none of us had any real clue

851
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: coming out of high school of the level of intensity

852
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: and level detail in college. But even more so now

853
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: that they just don't know stuff.

854
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, they're running dribble drive in summer basketball

855
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: like they they and not that you can't be successful

856
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: collegiately with the dribble drive. VIC and Texas have proven

857
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: you can maybe not as much this year without Rory,

858
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: so it can be successful. But that's what all the

859
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 3: club teams are running. So they're not learning to read flairs.

860
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: They're not learning the reads on pinned downs. They're they're

861
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: not you know, you can say flex like and that

862
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: they don't. Hey we're going to run horns flex. That

863
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: doesn't that there is no trigger there, you know, like

864
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 3: every one of our generation, like I knew, I didn't

865
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: want to go play for Northwestern because they were a

866
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: flex team.

867
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: You know, like that's not going to suit me. I

868
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: don't want to. But I think at that time.

869
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: Everybody was so funny like that was that was That's

870
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: why I didn't go play for my brother's high school. Yeah,

871
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: because they were like, everyone's.

872
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: In the lane, get them out of the lane. I

873
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: need space. I'm not very big, like you know.

874
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: Well, it's also like not for a true point guard,

875
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: right right, like try and go same, same kind of things.

876
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: So it's so funny, but again, like the action within it,

877
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: they don't or they or they know the basics of

878
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, but they don't understand. They don't

879
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: understand the why. You know, they don't understand why you know,

880
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: why the not just the lift, but why you need

881
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: to stand before the lift, why it all kind of

882
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: matters together. And here's the here's the bigger one that

883
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: they that I kind of discovered this year and I

884
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: didn't realize it is they don't they don't actually understand

885
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: sometimes what the coach is trying to do. And I'll

886
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: give you the the the the easy ex example is

887
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, you move a kid to the four or

888
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: the five who's like a three, and like you were

889
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: trying to create an advantage against the player that's not

890
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: as quick or as athletic as you are. Okay, so

891
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: you have to what as you're catching the ball, you

892
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: need to process you know, where I where am I? Am?

893
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: I opened? And then who's guarding me? And those things

894
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: because they're so used to one on cone and going

895
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: into their bag that they catch the ball and they

896
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: they don't they're not reading. They already kind of go

897
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: into like they just go into they even name moves,

898
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: names the move, but they name moves in what they're doing,

899
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: and it's more about planning what they're going to do

900
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: for a move instead of just playing and reacting. I

901
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: think that's the part that I noticed, And.

902
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that's why I like a Juju Watkins

903
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 3: is so ahead of so many people because I'm sure

904
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: she's been trained by elite trainers in the LA area,

905
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: but she does read. You know, they run so much

906
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 3: isolation to her, which is so unusual in the women's game,

907
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: Like we just don't see. Like when I was looking

908
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: at their their numbers, their analytics, it's like wow, Like

909
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: her volume of isolations you just don't see in the

910
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: women's game. And you know, but she she has the

911
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 3: ability to read space, and the more space she has,

912
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: the more she can get into her bag of tricks.

913
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 3: You know, even though she wants to over the top,

914
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 3: left right crossover as much as possible, you know, like

915
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: it's still she still has tendencies like all players do.

916
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's it's we get too wrapped

917
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: up in we talk about positionless basketball, and yet people

918
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: get so wrapped.

919
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: Up into are you a three or are you a four?

920
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 3: You know, it's like if I were if I were

921
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 3: a kid and I was going to choose to play

922
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: any possession position right now, I would want to be

923
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: a one or a four if you're if you're just

924
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: talking the numbers game, you know, because you just like,

925
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 3: but no one wants to be a four, like everyone

926
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: wants to be a big guard, you know. And it's

927
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: like it's the same You're just going to get a

928
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: weaker defender, you know, to get you in between the

929
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: lane lines. And you know, like, yes, do you want

930
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: to come off the ball screen or do you want

931
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: to set it?

932
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't want to set it.

933
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: But the real what you're going to understand is like

934
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 3: you are going to have so much freedom in slipping, ghosting, rolling,

935
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: like you know, if if you learn to read action

936
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: and not predetermined Like I even had a kid in

937
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: the Pros that I traded for that played for an

938
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: elite collegiate program with great success. But they were very

939
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: much A A to B, B two C. You're gonna

940
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it's old school, like it's old school.

941
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: It's it's maybe new school actions, but it's still old

942
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: school in terms of, hey, we're gonna start in a

943
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: box and then this is what we're looking for. And

944
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 3: you know, she said to me, do you want me

945
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: to pop a role? And I'm looking at it and

946
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: I'm like, I, my goodness, you're twenty four years old.

947
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 3: I want you to read the dyea the best. You know, Yes,

948
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 3: But it was amazing how how we program how how

949
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: players can be programmed to.

950
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: Do what somebody wants them to do.

951
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: And so whether that's with a cone in front of

952
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: them or whether that's in a system, you know, you

953
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: have to very quickly. You know, you're you're teaching people.

954
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: It's what made the lista Smiths special in such a

955
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: short period of time. Like at the beginning she was

956
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: a little lost and by the end.

957
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: Of the year, Like it didn't matter what you.

958
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: Did to us, like if you were going to Hardhead,

959
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: just whether you're gonna drop coverage, whatever you're gonna do.

960
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: Like we had two really good people in the ball screen,

961
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: and like it was a wrap, you know, because the

962
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: Lista was gonna slip it. She was gonna pop it,

963
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 3: she was gonna pop rip drive like she was, you know.

964
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: And when you have players with talent and you put

965
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: them into man action, like it's really hard to stop,

966
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, and the games that's not that.

967
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: Complicated at that point.

968
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 3: And so for me, I love to uncomplicate the game,

969
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: even though I know I have a complex brain and

970
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: I think the game at a really really high level.

971
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: But like at the end of the day, I want

972
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: to make the game simple because I don't think you

973
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: have to do eight hundred things to be successful.

974
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Well, what's it like to go against Bill, A guy

975
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: you lost them in the tournament? I know you have

976
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: so much respect for him, and I mean literally he's

977
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: been there since we played. Yeah, and I would I

978
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: would again, I don't you and I for people know,

979
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about this. I kind of feel like

980
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: he's one of those essentially, I was watching Iowa last night,

981
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: and you know, throughout this year, I didn't realize how

982
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: successful they had been previous to Calin Like I honestly

983
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: no idea because again, like we I my knowledge of

984
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: the women's game was just at the very top level,

985
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, no just really surface level, nothing, no real depths.

986
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: But I think Bill's that kind of same way, whereas

987
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: he's really good, been really good for a long time,

988
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: and I don't know if maybe this year is one

989
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: of the first years which he's kind of gotten his

990
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: due sort of speak. Is that fair?

991
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think he's had really good teams.

992
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: I think he, you know, had to deal with the

993
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: stretch that that Kim Walki dominated at Baylor.

994
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: So everyone was an afterthought in the Big twelve.

995
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: You know that that wasn't I mean, Texas was signing

996
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: top five classes year in and year out and couldn't be Baylor,

997
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, so that was you know, I mean, they

998
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: weren't going to keep a coach at the end of

999
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 3: the day who just absolutely could not be Baylor, and

1000
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 3: so so they hired Vic, you know, and he he's

1001
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, we we've still been you know, we've beaten

1002
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: them more than he's beaten us since I've been here,

1003
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: but certainly they've they've beaten us. So Bill, you know,

1004
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: I beat him the first three times we played, and

1005
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone, you know, kind of outside a

1006
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: small circle understood like how big that was to me personally.

1007
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: You know that I've just had such respect for him.

1008
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: I mean, he he was one of the first people.

1009
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: That recruited me. He was at Toledo at the.

1010
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: Time, and you know, I always I always loved him,

1011
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: and then he then he took the Iowa State job

1012
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: the same year that I transferred to Marquette, and I

1013
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 3: considered playing for him again.

1014
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1015
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: So Bill Finley was at my wedding like their their

1016
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: their friends like they're but I also have had He's

1017
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 3: just always kind of known who to recruit and how

1018
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: to how to mold them and how to be successful.

1019
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: And you know, isn't doing it with with always you know,

1020
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 3: top fifty recruit It's that they tend to be fifty

1021
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: to two hundred, and that that doesn't Sometimes they maybe

1022
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 3: are fringe and could be that good. I mean, Audi

1023
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: Crooks was, but I think you know, he just clips

1024
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 3: along and wins twenty to twenty five games a year,

1025
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: and so I just I think he's.

1026
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 2: Always been a good play caller.

1027
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 3: He's going to manipulate the defense to get what he wants,

1028
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, so you have to you have to.

1029
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: He's a good in game adjustment person.

1030
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: Like he's never been able to just out talent you,

1031
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: And I think that's what you get sometimes in college,

1032
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 3: you have coaches that are really really good at recruiting

1033
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: and getting great talent, and then they're just gonna out

1034
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: talent you, like if it comes down to a one

1035
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: possession game. You know, there are coaches that you feel

1036
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: better about going up against than others, you know, and

1037
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 3: then there are there are coaches like Bill that you

1038
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: know aren't going to out talent you a lot of

1039
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 3: the time, but like are gonna out execute, out work out.

1040
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: You know.

1041
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: And he's he just he does a good job of

1042
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: manipulating d and he he does a good.

1043
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: Job of.

1044
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: Figuring out how to be competitive, Like, okay, we we

1045
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: we can't keep these guys in front.

1046
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: We're going to play a triangle in two. Like he's

1047
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: just kind of he'll throw the kitchen sink.

1048
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: At you when the brackets came out. What'd you think?

1049
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 2: I felt really good. I I probably like jumped.

1050
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: I didn't even see that we were playing the winner

1051
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: of the playing game because I really felt like.

1052
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 2: We had a chance.

1053
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: You know, I felt like we should have been a host,

1054
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: and we played our way out of that. So I

1055
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: wasn't like I was sitting there thinking we would and

1056
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: so then it becomes like what are the matchups?

1057
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: What do the matchups look like? You know, And I

1058
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: felt I felt.

1059
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: Really really good about the pathway we had to the

1060
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 3: final four, you know, like I even watching the USC

1061
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: game last night, I'm like, we could have given Connecticut

1062
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: a great game. I felt like as good as Virginia

1063
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: Tech had been at home, losing Kitley made them vulnerable.

1064
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: I thought that as good as USC was, you.

1065
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: Know, that we we could we they had They weren't

1066
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: beating people by twenty you know, they they were finding

1067
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: ways to win low scoring games.

1068
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1069
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes it just I felt like we had a chance.

1070
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: And then we played Yukon last year, and I felt

1071
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: like that would have given us some confidence to like, Okay,

1072
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: like this isn't a the same Yukon team, but you know,

1073
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: b we're playing them on a neutral court.

1074
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: So I felt really really good about the bracket.

1075
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: Again, like we all make maybe we will fans like

1076
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: to make the like accusations of oh well they staff

1077
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: they wanted these matchups, but it was really interesting on

1078
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: the spacing of who and and and what, like it's

1079
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it just it's got to be

1080
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: hard because the sport has four or five like stars

1081
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: star like Kaitlyn is a star, you know, and obviously

1082
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: Lsu everyone knows who those those girls are, and their

1083
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: coach is a gigantic name is as you know as well,

1084
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: and then you know Page is a star, and and

1085
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about Juju Juju is a star. So what

1086
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: is it in terms of understanding and prepping like milling

1087
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind for the sport, it's

1088
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: great the more those stars play, and then yet, hey,

1089
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: for the sport, it's also like it's got to be

1090
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't know fair. So when you're yeah, you're looking

1091
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: at the back and you're like, huh, where's are where

1092
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: are we supposed to enter? Like do you I don't

1093
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: know how to ask this question.

1094
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be honest, we were the afterthought, you know,

1095
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 3: like they came out with a top twenty five of.

1096
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: List.

1097
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: ESPN did of top twenty five players in the Sweet sixteen.

1098
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: Baylor didn't have anyone listed.

1099
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: You know, why is that? I mean, is it because

1100
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: you built?

1101
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean full transparency.

1102
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: I think that you know, we were uber talented, but

1103
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: we don't. I don't think we have anyone that can

1104
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 3: get twenty five every game.

1105
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: We don't.

1106
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean we have ensemble cast.

1107
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we're a team where the sum is bigger

1108
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: than the parts.

1109
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: Now do I think we have really good parts?

1110
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: We have players that can get twenty in any given game,

1111
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: depending on how the defense plays us, depending on whether

1112
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: they play as man or zone, depending on how they

1113
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: cover our ball screens, you know what I mean?

1114
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: Like we have players. We had eight different players that

1115
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: led us in scoring. We had.

1116
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: Seven different players that scored over eighteen points and in

1117
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: any one game.

1118
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: You know, so we had players that could go score.

1119
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: But we did not have players.

1120
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 3: We didn't have someone that like, all right, we're gonna

1121
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: bring the ball down the court and we're gonna hammer

1122
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: it into the post to Dre Edwards. No, we were

1123
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: gonna we were gonna pick and slip and trail in

1124
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: and make threes from her and get a rim run.

1125
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: And and you know, if if teams were playing US

1126
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: man and they played drop coverage like Jada, Walker was.

1127
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: Going to eat them up, like she was going to

1128
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: eat the space up and could make.

1129
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: The jumper, and you know, but if you played a

1130
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: zone like Jada, probably wasn't going to get double figures.

1131
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1132
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 3: So it just like for US, I think we had

1133
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: really good players, but the sun was bigger than the parts.

1134
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: I think part of that was Sarah Andrews had the

1135
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 3: most star power on our team, but missed the entire

1136
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: offseason and I'm talking the entire offseason, you know, March

1137
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: to We started bringing her back in October with some

1138
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: foot issues and so like, I don't think she ever

1139
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: regained kind of the bounce and the the swag that

1140
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: she had the year before. And so you know, she

1141
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: she made threes and she could get her step back,

1142
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: but her middle game really suffered early in the season.

1143
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: Her her game all the way to the rim was

1144
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: non existent. Like it got better as the season went along,

1145
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: but she kind of lost her middle game, which wasn't

1146
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: a high volume part, but certainly was a part of

1147
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 3: her skill set then and was until we had Jada,

1148
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: she was our best mid range score. So so yeah,

1149
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: I mean I think that was a that was a

1150
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: unique challenge for us as knowing that ESPN did not

1151
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: want us, you know, at the end of the day,

1152
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: I can say it.

1153
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: Not that.

1154
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: Not that they have the ability to rig the games

1155
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: or anything like that. I just think, you know, how

1156
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: many people, how many people said when we're playing, like

1157
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 3: the name Juju, how many times was it said relative

1158
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: to how many times someone on our team's you know

1159
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: name was brought up, you know, And and she had

1160
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: her third most inefficient game of the year against this

1161
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: she was eight for twenty eight, you know, so we

1162
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: did something well.

1163
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So but so that brings like bears the question

1164
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe this changes obviously when when when Caitlin

1165
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: goes to the w NBA. But is it like in

1166
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: the construct of the team, is there any thought like

1167
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: and it's smarter to just build around once you like

1168
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: get a star built around the star because you almost

1169
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: protect yourself.

1170
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: Great.

1171
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we all want to start like

1172
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: we're all going to recruit stars, you know, but I

1173
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: think it's where are they from? You know, what does

1174
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: Nil look like? You know, what are they looking for?

1175
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we we have the resources and

1176
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: the bells and whistles and and certainly we want to

1177
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 3: recruit the.

1178
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: Best players, but you know you still got to get them.

1179
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: I mean, usc As has been down, Lindsay's a great coach,

1180
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 3: and Juju's an l a a kid you know that

1181
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 3: played at the same school as Brownie and you know

1182
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 3: at the and can make true Nil.

1183
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean, how cool to me when you talk about

1184
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: progress in the women's game.

1185
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: And I know it is obviously very purposeful, but but

1186
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 3: you're watching the games last night and you're seeing the

1187
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 3: commercials with Angel, You're seeing the commercial with Juju and MBI,

1188
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 3: You're seeing you know, you're seeing these commercials with these

1189
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 3: like collegiate women's basketball players.

1190
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 2: Like wow, Like who Like that's that's when you know,

1191
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 2: like we have created stars. When when you do have

1192
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: people that.

1193
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: Silly as it sounds, Juju and Paige and Caitlin and Angel,

1194
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 3: like we we have we have stars that have first

1195
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: names that you don't need to know. If you're talking

1196
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: about women's basketball and you say Paige, people.

1197
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: Know it's Page Beckers.

1198
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,959
Speaker 3: You know, like so you know, I think that's that's

1199
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 3: a really cool thing, and that has something to do

1200
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: with social media and people talking, and but it's still like, wow,

1201
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 3: look where the sport has come. And you know, these

1202
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 3: were Caitlyn and Paige and Juju and Angel were all

1203
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 3: stars coming out of high school. Like they didn't just

1204
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: become stars. Like everyone knew who Paige was, everyone knew

1205
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 3: who Caitlyn was.

1206
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: Everyone.

1207
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 3: I mean, Juju was number one in her class, Angel

1208
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 3: was number two in her class.

1209
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: Page was number one. I mean, these are kids that

1210
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: were number one in their high school classes.

1211
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 3: They didn't sneak up on anybody.

1212
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: Okay, first time you you heard of Kitlen Clark.

1213
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 2: I saw Caitlyn.

1214
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 3: Probably just highlights, you know, when I was a pro coach.

1215
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're for the same reason everybody else does.

1216
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 3: You know, it pops up on your reel you look

1217
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 3: at women's basketball stuff, you know, and and you start

1218
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: to see her stuff. So that would be the first time,

1219
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: like I knew who she was at eighteen, and then

1220
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 3: you start watching the minute. The minute you're a pro coach,

1221
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 3: you're watching closely, who's next. You know, you're watching the

1222
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 3: collegiate game so you know, certainly had seen her play

1223
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 3: even her freshman year when I was was still in

1224
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: the pros. In fact, that year I went and scouted

1225
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 3: the Iowa City and Ames first and second rounds. We

1226
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 3: were looking at Megan Gustafson, who was an Iowa player,

1227
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: was a fringe. I think she went thirteenth, so she

1228
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: didn't go in the first round. But you know, like

1229
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: you're you're you're paying attention to those things.

1230
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: You're playing Iowa. How do you guard Caylen?

1231
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: I think you gotta change looks on her.

1232
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: I think our philosophy was someone like her and there is.

1233
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 3: We don't play anyone that's as good as her, But

1234
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 3: relatively speaking, it's make.

1235
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: Her go two by two by two by two.

1236
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1237
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: I think in Iowa and General's team, you make them

1238
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 3: go two by two by two by two. So philosophically

1239
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 3: we would have tried to take away the three. The

1240
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 3: challenge with her is like if you she's not as

1241
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: good playing downhill to or left, but she owns the

1242
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 3: step back left. She's really good going downhill to her

1243
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: right hand, you know, So that's the that's the dilemma

1244
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 3: like I typically with with with their five I would

1245
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: iced the heck out of her in ball screens, you know,

1246
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: with their fours, we would have switched because that's kind

1247
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 3: of who we are. So if they were setting a

1248
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: ball screen with with whoever they call there for Kat,

1249
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: you know, Martin, whatever, then we would have switched with

1250
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 3: with their five stulky o Grady. We would have been

1251
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 3: hardcore icing, you know, and tried to almost have it

1252
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 3: looked like a trap because if you sit back and

1253
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: she can snake, she can get whatever she wants if

1254
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: you're just sitting on her side, you know, because she

1255
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: can go to step back if you're just sitting. So

1256
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: we would have played her similar in some ways to

1257
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: what we did with Juju, Like we would either have

1258
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 3: a high high cup or you know, ben in ane.

1259
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: Why not just again like kind of old school, not

1260
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: even old school, but like just put two in the ball,

1261
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily every time.

1262
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: You know, And that's what you like. That was our Like,

1263
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: that's what we did with Juju.

1264
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 3: I think you can do it some I will say,

1265
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 3: she's a magician with the ball and can force you

1266
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: into rotations really quickly, So I think if you stick

1267
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 3: with that, she'll slice and dice you, But I think

1268
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 3: you can bring it.

1269
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1270
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: We our goal with Georgia Amore at Virginia Tech.

1271
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: Our goal with Juju was anytime they're on a ball screen,

1272
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: we were willing to take two to the ball.

1273
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: We were.

1274
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 3: And I think think neither one of those two are

1275
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: as good as passers as Caitlin. So I think you

1276
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 3: can't stay with that over forty minutes, but I don't.

1277
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if if you're icing, you're doing that anyway.

1278
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 3: If you're in a high cup.

1279
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: You're doing that anyway. Sure I think you can.

1280
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 3: I think you can trap her occasionally, you know, like

1281
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 3: if she's coming, they'll they'll slip out of it quickly,

1282
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 3: you know. But but yeah, I would that that would

1283
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 3: be my philosophy.

1284
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: I played for a guy in my freshman year in

1285
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: high school and in the named Tom McCluskey. He played

1286
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: it at Penn State for Dick Harder And yes that's

1287
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: actually his name, but h R d E R just what.

1288
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Dick Harter being a coach today.

1289
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 2: You are going by Richard or Rick. I don't care,

1290
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: but no way.

1291
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: Yes, anyway. So but he we played jacqu Vaughn in

1292
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: high school. Yep, my freshman year in the playoffs. He

1293
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: was a junior, and Jock was like the dude, like

1294
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: in terms of how you and I played like true

1295
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: point guard. He was unbelievable. And so we ran in

1296
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: the second half. We were in a one three one,

1297
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: and it was just like a soft trap every time

1298
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: he got the ball, just like, hey, we're putting two

1299
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: on you every time you get it, and we're just

1300
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: going to corral you and make it make you get

1301
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: rid of the basketball. And it worked. And again I'm

1302
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: not saying like that's the way, but I just I

1303
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: do think end of the day, you got it. I mean, look,

1304
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: we saw it in the with John shire in in

1305
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: the Elite eight. Like I don't understand DJ Burns gets

1306
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: the ball in the post like he has twenty nine points,

1307
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: He's dominating, get the ball out of his hands. Yeah,

1308
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: like like old school basketball. Would I one take away

1309
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: what the other team does best? Yeah?

1310
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: I think there's two schools of thought, you know, because

1311
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: I know people talk.

1312
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 3: A lot about what LSU did last night, and you

1313
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: know I'm not in their huddle.

1314
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1315
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: I mean, philosophically, I can understand what they were trying

1316
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: to do I can. I think you you also have

1317
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 3: the school of thought, like we can score on this team,

1318
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 3: like LSU put one hundred on them last year.

1319
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 2: Different team, but arguably.

1320
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 3: For I was potentially even a more talented team a

1321
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: year ago, which is what's amazing about what they're doing

1322
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 3: this year, you know, because they don't have the same

1323
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 3: post presence and a and a WNBA player in Monica Szano,

1324
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 3: and so you know, like I think the goal was like, hey,

1325
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 3: she's gonna get hers if no matter who we put

1326
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: on her, she's gonna get hers, right, So like we're

1327
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna guard everybody else and make her make

1328
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 3: tough shots. And you know, the the toughest part was,

1329
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 3: you know, if you if if you took away the

1330
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 3: transition baskets, that would have might have worked. You know,

1331
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, like not sitting

1332
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 3: back and I mean, I'm it's it's not because it's

1333
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 3: it's it's Kim Molkie or it's we could be talking

1334
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 3: about the USC yukon game. I would speak the same

1335
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 3: way every game I watch I'm coaching. You know, like

1336
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 3: once you're in these shoes, you're always you're always.

1337
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: Thinking what would I do?

1338
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,480
Speaker 3: What would have and even looking back, like as everyone's

1339
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 3: questioning like game planning, it's like, you know what, I

1340
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 3: get the game plan, you know, if but if you

1341
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 3: take the transition the rim runs that they got, that game.

1342
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: Would have been a really really good game at the end.

1343
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: If it was just Caitlin making crazy tough step back

1344
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 3: twenty four foot threes, you know what I mean, Like

1345
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 3: if it had been if that was all they were

1346
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 3: giving up and they were giving them one shot, you know,

1347
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 3: I think it was it was the transition baskets that

1348
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 3: at the end of.

1349
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: The day were probably what they were.

1350
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: Not not that you don't know that that I was

1351
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 3: gonna run hard on every possession, so they knew it.

1352
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 3: But it's like it's something that you feel like you

1353
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 3: can't control when you're talking about x's and o's and

1354
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 3: like that's like it's an effort thing. It's a heart thing,

1355
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 3: get your butt back on d thing.

1356
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: You know. Well, it's also it's all so yeah, but

1357
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,799
Speaker 1: some of that also is like hey, day one of practice,

1358
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I I you know, at what

1359
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: you do every day of practice transition defense, but it's

1360
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting you point that out, because I would say,

1361
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: and I know you were you were coaching at the time,

1362
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 1: So ill Illinois lost to Yukon. Like the backbreaker wasn't

1363
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: wasn't their defense, you know, it was that they couldn't score.

1364
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: And then they stopped getting back on defense, and they

1365
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: gave up like three or four layups in transition, and

1366
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: they gave up three or four buckets on on kickouts

1367
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: off of offense rebounds. And that was all because they

1368
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: couldn't score. And so you know how kids are, like emotionally,

1369
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: you can't score, there's a letdown defensively, and the second

1370
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: right and and I mean that that that to me

1371
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: is you know, the ultimate of like a mature team.

1372
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 2: And it goes back to shot selection.

1373
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 3: You know, we we you know you you want like

1374
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 3: LSU plays with ultimate freedom like offensively in terms of

1375
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 3: shot selection, and at times, you know, you can look

1376
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: at it and say, okay, like I will, I will

1377
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 3: show our players this shot was the same as a

1378
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 3: turnover because LSU's advantage was clearly when they got when

1379
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 3: they got Moro and Reese at the rim, like they're

1380
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 3: impossible to block out, impossible, like impossible, like they are

1381
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 3: so good on the glass, but you got to let

1382
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: them get there, you know, and if if you're taking

1383
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: early shots before they're there, like so often, and you

1384
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 3: could say this about South Carolina a year ago. South

1385
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 3: Carolina was not an offensive juggernaut, but like get one

1386
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 3: shot up on the rim.

1387
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: Aliah Boston and.

1388
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 3: Victoria Saxton and the players that they had, they their

1389
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 3: first shot wasn't their best shot.

1390
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: Just get it up on the rim.

1391
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 3: They're going to get an easier second shot. And so

1392
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 3: I feel like in particular, I know they started that way,

1393
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 3: but at times it comes down to are you getting

1394
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 3: the sho shots that you want, because if you're not,

1395
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 3: if you're taking quick shots and they're getting long rebounds.

1396
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 3: The one thing I would does an amazing job is

1397
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: is there you know they're they're they're change like they

1398
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 3: like their first three steps, like they are out of there.

1399
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 3: If they can get an out a deep outlet, like

1400
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 3: it's one dribble and she like puts the ball, you know,

1401
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 3: wherever she wants to, you know, in the open court.

1402
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 3: So you know, I think that a lot of times

1403
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 3: that's as big as okay, you know, like we can

1404
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 3: set our d on a travel you know, it's it's

1405
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: like points off turnovers is a deceptive stat at time?

1406
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 3: How many of those were live ball turnovers? Because to me,

1407
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 3: a live ball turnover and a bad a really bad shot,

1408
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 3: they're the same thing, even though they're not going to

1409
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 3: be that way in the stats, you know, versus they're

1410
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 3: gonna call a basket. Even if you throw the ball

1411
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 3: out of bounds, if the team scores on the next possession,

1412
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: it's a points off turnovers. And that's not that's not

1413
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 3: to me, you know, not as a coach, not you know,

1414
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: like I mean, we teach really hardcore, do not save

1415
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 3: the ball unless you have a teammate to save it too.

1416
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 3: Because if we can set our d we can get

1417
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: a stop, you know. But if you like, are making

1418
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 3: a hustle play and throw it to the other team

1419
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 3: and we're five on four, that that's a bigger challenge.

1420
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: Now, our scram defense has to be great.

1421
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: Article comes out about Kim and you were, you know,

1422
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: rightfully offended by it. You're not somebody who goes to

1423
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: the racism sexism card almost ever, right, So, how do you, like,

1424
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: how do you process criticism in regards to real criticism

1425
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: or criticism coming from people who you know, still don't

1426
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: want to buy into the idea of women's basketball being

1427
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, obviously not the level of men's but but

1428
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: on the right, Like, how do you balance between real

1429
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: criticism and the sexism racism element of it?

1430
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, when we're talking about that article,

1431
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 3: it's so crazy because I think one of my strengths

1432
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 3: is I think I articulate pretty well. You know, I

1433
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 3: I don't put my foot in my mouth a lot.

1434
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a decent interview e because I'm not

1435
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 3: afraid to talk about tough subjects. I'm I'm not going

1436
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 3: to just say what could we have done better? We

1437
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 3: should have boxed out and run harder or played harder.

1438
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you, like our ball screen coverage

1439
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 3: wasn't good enough, our X, Y and Z right, I'm

1440
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna talk about the game.

1441
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,520
Speaker 2: I've always believed part of my job.

1442
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 3: In in coaching and coaching in women's sports and being

1443
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 3: in the W even is like I'm going to help

1444
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 3: our media understand the game the way we see it.

1445
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 3: You know, Like I'm not gonna I'm not dumbin it down,

1446
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 3: you know, like it's just not it's not who I am.

1447
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 3: I feel like I have like the ability from a

1448
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 3: grassroots perspective to.

1449
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: To grow our game.

1450
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: And so, you know, it was like a lot of

1451
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 3: flak for saying I didn't read the article but was

1452
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 3: offended by it, and obviously people chose to not understand.

1453
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: The totality of what I was saying.

1454
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what that I still haven't read the

1455
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 3: whole Washington Post article. You know, that came out on

1456
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: a day that we were playing in the Sweet sixteen.

1457
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: But the whole point was that.

1458
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: If you're going to say our program is withering, you

1459
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 3: know that we're not a top tier program. I'm going

1460
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 3: to take offense to that because I think there are

1461
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 3: a lot of people that would say we are, you know,

1462
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 3: and especially on a day that we're playing in the

1463
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 3: Sweet sixteen, And so I think I felt the need

1464
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,879
Speaker 3: to in some ways fight for myself, fight for our program,

1465
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 3: fight for our players in that moment and say, like

1466
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? Like if you're going to

1467
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 3: write about this, like, please do your research, you know,

1468
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to talk about Louisiana Tech,

1469
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 3: like talk about why Louisiana Tech has struggled talk about

1470
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 3: the fact that at one point in women's college basketball,

1471
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 3: Western Kentucky and Missouri State, back when it was Southwest

1472
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: Missouri State and LA Tech where the cream of the crop.

1473
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 3: That's where top kids wanted to go because those were

1474
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 3: places that supported women's basketball before it became.

1475
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: The norm, you know.

1476
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 3: And and now like how those teams like if you're

1477
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 3: not in a Power five, if you don't have football money,

1478
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 3: if you don't have like that's why LA Tech has

1479
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 3: has has dropped off, not because they haven't had good coaching,

1480
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 3: not because it's changed so much. It's that the state

1481
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 3: of the college athletics has changed, you know. And so

1482
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 3: to me, I was frustrated because there was no reason

1483
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 3: to toss us in there.

1484
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it just it was.

1485
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: It wasn't even part of the story as as I'm

1486
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 3: told the story was about.

1487
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: And so I think, I think again, and I did

1488
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: read the story. I think what what she thought was

1489
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 1: a piece to crush her end up being just a

1490
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: profile piece and kind of a fluff piece to make

1491
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: it look like like here she is this you know,

1492
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: force of nature that crushes everything in her in her path,

1493
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: and what's left behind is you know, like withering Baylor,

1494
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: which I felt like was it was it was in

1495
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,480
Speaker 1: an effort to make her and her presence look great.

1496
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: And I also think it's like one of those things

1497
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: in broadcasting you get caught of, like the ad sentence

1498
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: and you've just not done that. Be fine, you know, but.

1499
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 3: Right yeah, I just I didn't feel like we needed

1500
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,799
Speaker 3: to be taking a shot at, you know, from the timing.

1501
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 3: So my whole point was like, hey, like you're welcome, come,

1502
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 3: come visit, and you can tell me if you still

1503
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: feel like we're withering here, like come.

1504
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Speaker 5: The big question is like you you have the ability

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01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 5: to say whatever you want and and handle yourself in

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01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 5: the media, but it's like do I make a show

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01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 5: of myself or do I just keep doing my job?

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01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: Right? It's kind of because and this is where I

1509
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,440
Speaker 1: think the women's game is as well, where we're rewarding

1510
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 1: people and most of these women are really really talented,

1511
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: but we are rewarding the people who make the bigger

1512
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 1: show of it, not necessarily the ones who just kind

1513
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: of do their deal, you know what I mean. Like

1514
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of where the sport feels like it's going.

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01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 1: And I just wonder if you're every thinking of stepping

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: outside yourself and like, hey, why can't I be show

1517
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: my bigger personality? Why can't I take over a room?

1518
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm capable of that. But I know that you don't

1519
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: think that's the way in when you lead the program.

1520
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: How much of that? How hard does that balance?

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 3: I think there's there's a unique balance in that. I

1522
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 3: think when I spent enough time, I will tell you

1523
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 3: the one thing you learned coaching in the pros is

1524
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 3: it's not about you.

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01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it is about the superstars.

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01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 3: It's about I mean, if you took a pull of

1527
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 3: outside of like people know who Becky Hammond is, you know,

1528
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: with the Aces, because she was a great player, because

1529
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 3: she worked for Pop, because of all these reasons. But

1530
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's it's you know, you talk

1531
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: a lot about the superstars in the game.

1532
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: So coming back, I.

1533
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: Know that as a college head coach, you know, you

1534
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 3: become the face of the program because you're the You're

1535
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 3: the staple. Like players come and go, they're here from

1536
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 3: eighteen to twenty two years. You may be, you know,

1537
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 3: and so you kind of have to you have to

1538
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 3: be able to sell yourself. You have to and recruiting,

1539
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 3: be able to sell yourself and who you are. And

1540
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not afraid to be the face of Baylor

1541
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 3: women's basketball, but I still want it to be about

1542
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 3: our team. I want people to come to our games

1543
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 3: because of how we play, not because of what I do,

1544
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 3: you know, on the sidelines or what I'm going to say,

1545
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 3: Like I want them to love watching.

1546
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 2: How our team competes, you know, and so but you know,

1547
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: like it's and it's it's amazing.

1548
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: How but that's but that's not the way it's done

1549
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: most like and not just.

1550
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 3: You know, but when you step outside yourself and think

1551
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: of it, Like the first time I really stepped out

1552
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 3: here was about BG and it was like unbelievable that

1553
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 3: like ninety percent ninety probably eight percent was positive, but boy,

1554
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: the two percent is loud. You know, when you speak

1555
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 3: up for somebody that people like are judging, you know,

1556
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 3: degrees of sin and whether she should be back or

1557
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 3: have been traded or X, Y and z, like it's like, dang,

1558
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 3: like I'm looking at this from a human element. I'm

1559
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 3: looking at you know, like this could be your sister brother,

1560
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 3: you know, mother, Like what would you still say those

1561
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 3: things like and so I just think the social media

1562
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: is me and you know that better than anyone, Like

1563
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 3: you get somewhat paid to be controversial, and like have

1564
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 3: to constantly choose to live in that space.

1565
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm probably arguably a little too sensitive. I like to

1566
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: be liked, you know.

1567
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's by nature, that's kind of who

1568
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 3: I am. And I have to had to develop thick

1569
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 3: skin through this, Like I can tell you, like if

1570
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 3: we lose, I don't go on on Twitter for three days.

1571
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: Three days because it'll have just run its course.

1572
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1573
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: Like I've had to learn that, you know, because I

1574
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 3: don't want to read it. And it's not that I

1575
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 3: like can that I'll like start buying into it, but

1576
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 3: it just well.

1577
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good.

1578
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel good, you know, And I don't I

1579
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 2: don't love to like I don't love to be in

1580
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 2: that space.

1581
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 3: Like I genuinely like there are there's like there's a

1582
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 3: quote that like I try to live by and it's

1583
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 3: like your energy speaks before you do. Like I want

1584
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,839
Speaker 3: to walk into a room and have people feel good energy,

1585
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 3: you know, And that means like everybody who knows me

1586
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 3: knows that after a loss, like I am, I'm emotional,

1587
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 3: I'm unhappy. I'm like I used to have literally media

1588
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 3: people checking on me when I was with the Dream,

1589
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, because you built these relationships. It's like, go,

1590
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: g you okay, I'm like no, But at ten am

1591
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: tomorrow I will be, you know, because that was my process.

1592
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 3: Like this is gonna hurt, and I'm gonna go back

1593
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 3: and watch the film and I'm gonna critique everything I

1594
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 3: could have done better. But then I'm gonna move on

1595
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 3: and at ten o'clock tomorrow, I'm gonna be thinking about

1596
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 3: how are we going to win the next game, you know,

1597
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 3: and what do I have to do.

1598
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: But I'm not.

1599
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 3: Afraid to be like emotional about like who I am

1600
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 3: and how I think and and you know, like at

1601
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 3: the end of the day, like I want to be

1602
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 3: elite at what I do, you know. And so I

1603
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 3: don't like losing because I'm competitive and and I hate losing.

1604
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 3: I just I believe in losing the right way. I

1605
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 3: believe in being a good sport. I believe in You're

1606
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 3: not gonna see me act crazy in a handshake line.

1607
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 3: You just it's it's like, you know, I mean the

1608
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech fans would think otherwise, but allultimately, like I've

1609
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 3: been in college for three years and I haven't gotten

1610
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 3: a technical you know, like I got one in my

1611
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: three years as a head coach in the pros, Like

1612
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 3: I believe in killing them with kindness, you know, Like

1613
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 3: it's at the end of the day, Like there's different

1614
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 3: ways to skin a cat, and I learned like in

1615
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 3: the pros, like you know, what Bill Lamber might be

1616
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 3: able to intimidate an official, I can't, Like, no one's

1617
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 3: going to be intimidated by me. So therefore, like how

1618
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 3: do I create real relationships that you know, can maybe

1619
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 3: have as much of an impact. And it doesn't mean

1620
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm like fake, but you know, at the end of

1621
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 3: the day, like you know, do people respond to me

1622
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 3: yelling and screaming at them, Like I'm going to battle

1623
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 3: for my team and I'm gonna get frustrated, like I

1624
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 3: thought the officials kind of stole the game from us,

1625
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 3: Like you know, on an out of bounds play that

1626
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: looked like it was clearly ours watching the replay, and

1627
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 3: now we're down two instead of four, and we run

1628
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 3: a play and hit a three and we go up one.

1629
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 3: That game looks really different at the end, down to

1630
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 3: rather than down four. So I wasn't happy, you know,

1631
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 3: and I had said some things I probably am not

1632
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: proud of to the official about that, you know, like,

1633
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, I didn't.

1634
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: I didn't m f them you wanted to.

1635
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 3: But right like, there's some self control here, Doug, there's.

1636
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: Some truly truly appreciate your time.

1637
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, good to see you.

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01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: All right, that's it for this edition of All All

1639
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: my thanks to Nick Collin and man, how crazy is this?

1640
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: How much even us on the men's side are paying

1641
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: attention to given respect to the women's side and what

1642
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: we've seen. If you have any thoughts, any comments, any commentary,

1643
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,080
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1644
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,439
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1645
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: you liked it, you didn't like it, that's cool, give

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Speaker 1: us your thoughts. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is a ball app.