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Speaker 2: I want to spend ten minutes on college football. So
Speaker 2: my prediction before the year was Ohio State would lose
Speaker 2: at Outs and Stadium, would play Oregon again and beat them,
Speaker 2: and would play in the National Championship against the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 2: So right now, Texas and Ohio State, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: looked like the two best teams along with Oregon. Notre
Speaker 2: Dame Penn State also very very good. So again it's
Speaker 2: big brands. You could put seventy four teams in this tournament.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't matter college football even more than college
Speaker 2: basketball because you have to have depth in football because
Speaker 2: there's a regulated level of violence. I thought Ohio State,
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State, Texas and Oregon feel like the
Speaker 2: best teams. I thought it was interesting against Indiana. I
Speaker 2: thought the game would be close. I like the buck
Speaker 2: Eyes close. I thought it was a real moment where
Speaker 2: everybody was selling me BYU. No, everybody is selling me Indiana.
Speaker 2: They just they look nervous. I mean the special team's gaffes.
Speaker 2: They just didn't look they didn't have the power, they
Speaker 2: didn't have the arsenal. They looked nervous. And it was funny.
Speaker 2: Josh Howard got some crap as they were rolling to
Speaker 2: win Signette's coat. Yeah, Will Howard. Will Howard, who's a
Speaker 2: good quarterback. I don't know if he's an NFL guy,
Speaker 2: but he's a good quarterback. Big kid, you know, makes play.
Speaker 1: Don't like players who are like I'm kind of into this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of like him. I kind of like him.
Speaker 2: Somebody probably drafts him. He's hard to evaluate because they're
Speaker 2: old lines historically, this O line, but you know they've
Speaker 2: got NFL high round receivers and running back. So he's
Speaker 2: a hard guy. In Ohio. Staate Os has so much
Speaker 2: better personnel than everybody in the conference, you know, but
Speaker 2: Michigan and Penn State on an annual basis. Now Oregon
Speaker 2: has their kind of level of talent. But it was
Speaker 2: funny watching Indiana get up there, and some people were
Speaker 2: bothered by this gesture Will Howard did at the end,
Speaker 2: and it's it's really funny. I'm like, guys, Indiana came
Speaker 2: into that game, and for a team that has never
Speaker 2: won a huge college football game in my life, I
Speaker 2: thought came in with a lot of attitude and a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of bravado. And I had no
Speaker 2: problem with Will Howard's gesture at all. And it's like,
Speaker 2: if you're going to come into the ring against the
Speaker 2: perennial world chaml okay, and you're talking shit, then if
Speaker 2: they if they do a little gesture, I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear about it. And you know, Colin, you didn't
Speaker 2: like Baker Baker Mayfield nine different gestures at Oklahoma. This
Speaker 2: was Will Howard two seconds. But I kind of found myself.
Speaker 2: I thought Indiana was obnoxious, a little cocky coming into
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well starts with the coach. I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: a big opinion of himself. And the second half looked
Speaker 1: like the little kids versus the big kids. And if
Speaker 1: all these other teams hadn't lost as the day went on,
Speaker 1: I would have had no problem leaving Indiana at home. Listen,
Speaker 1: I like you, I didn't go to one of these schools.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a Big ten guy or an SEC GA.
Speaker 1: I'm just an unbiased lover of college football. Anyone making
Speaker 1: the argument like, just watch the games with your eyes.
Speaker 1: We have the evidence of the NFL draft picks where
Speaker 1: all the talent is. I'm watching the SEC games on
Speaker 1: the road. You know, Oklahoma, I'm sure they got five
Speaker 1: or six guys on defense they're going to be drafted.
Speaker 1: And one these environments on the road are so hard
Speaker 1: in the SEC. If you put Indiana in the SEC,
Speaker 1: I think they struggled to sniff eight wins. I think
Speaker 1: they get rolled. And obviously they've benefited this year from
Speaker 1: playing nobody. They just they're a great story and I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. But up until all these other teams with
Speaker 1: two losses lost last night, I would not have cried
Speaker 1: for them if they didn't get the invite to the dance. Now,
Speaker 1: just because of record, they probably will, but I would
Speaker 1: bet on them to be one and done. Yes, and
Speaker 1: see it and listen like I listen. I know you
Speaker 1: talked to Clad a lot. I can't fathom watching all
Speaker 1: these games and thinking the Big ten talent and well,
Speaker 1: they're six and six, and their six and six. We'll
Speaker 1: just watch the two team play. Yes, watch the speed
Speaker 1: of guys on defense at Auburn, who's I don't even
Speaker 1: know what their record is, five, They're gonna end up
Speaker 1: going five and seven. The talent discrepancy between them and
Speaker 1: Wisconsin on defense is fucking wider than the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: And yet we argue this every year. It's like, guys,
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, let's just watch the games and
Speaker 1: go like, no one says that about the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: We all acknowledge, Yeah, the Big twelve is a fun conference,
Speaker 1: but it's not that talented. Yeah, but we always argue,
Speaker 1: like the Big ten in the SEC, well, if you
Speaker 1: removed or the Big ten would be terrible this year, right,
Speaker 1: And let's face it, it's not a Big ten team.
Speaker 1: You guys just got them this year. So it's like,
Speaker 1: Ohio State's carrying you the rest of your conference talent
Speaker 1: wise looks down. I watched the SEC and I get it.
Speaker 1: They got a lot of three and four lost teams.
Speaker 1: The talent on their teams is night, and it's just
Speaker 1: harder to play more talented teams. On top of that,
Speaker 1: because of the television networks. Now they're playing all these
Speaker 1: night games, these road night games against a bunch of
Speaker 1: NFL defenders is way more difficult than the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Is that even arguable this year?
Speaker 2: No? I mean I watched Oklahoma. I thought they played
Speaker 2: a perfect football game against Alabama. They just were well coached,
Speaker 2: They were buttoned up, their quarterback had movement, they were
Speaker 2: kind of they gave Alabama some fits. I mean, I
Speaker 2: watched that game and I was like, Jesus, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: They're good on defense. They have NFL guys on defense well.
Speaker 1: Venables coach Clemson a bunch of pros, like he knows
Speaker 1: what it looks like. Offense is gonna be a problem
Speaker 1: for him. But no one's gonna argue that Venables in
Speaker 1: his defense is gonna be good. No, And they handled Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing about Opera. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know most of these players on Auburn. Shit, they
Speaker 1: sure look good to me.
Speaker 2: And you're a former NFL scout, Yeah, I'm just like.
Speaker 1: But doesn't that jump out sometimes when you watch these
Speaker 1: SEC games, even when their records like six and six, well,
Speaker 1: you're like, listen, I know they're struggling to win games,
Speaker 1: but they got talent on the roster.
Speaker 2: If it doesn't really matter how mny? I mean, I
Speaker 2: think Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame and like a
Speaker 2: like a Georgia Old Miss. I don't really buy Penn State.
Speaker 2: You know they've beaten them.
Speaker 1: They're in because they didn't play anybody and they only
Speaker 1: had the one tough game and they're luckys. Washington Miss
Speaker 1: is out probably right, But if you told me Old
Speaker 1: Miss played Penn State on a neutral field, I'm taking
Speaker 1: Old Miss so much.
Speaker 2: And I think Jackson Dart actually is going to be
Speaker 2: like a second round pick, so I mean they have
Speaker 2: the better quarterback. You know. It was funny.
Speaker 1: I Florida is a good example, aren't they. I'm watching them,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you put them in the if they
Speaker 1: made the twelve team tournament right now and they were
Speaker 1: playing Penn State in the first where's most of the
Speaker 1: money coming in on that game? Florida on Lagway if
Speaker 1: he's healthy on Florida, right and if you told me
Speaker 1: Florida played Notre Dame, Like I'm not saying that Florida
Speaker 1: would win that game, but you can't tell me that
Speaker 1: like you would be surprised at Florida one.
Speaker 2: So I want to throw this at you. You know
Speaker 2: my connection to USC. I'm a homer. So I was
Speaker 2: saying this. It's it's not the South as La is distracted,
Speaker 2: You're going to be more patient. Jen Cohen's not running
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley out. The boosters aren't going to step up
Speaker 2: and pay him the seventy million ys ode or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. Or they're building a three hundred million dollar facility.
Speaker 2: The nil collective at USC is thirteen million. They're not
Speaker 2: writing another check for Lincoln Riley. But I I was
Speaker 2: texting somebody inside USC Athletic department. I said, if you
Speaker 2: beat Penn State in overtime this year, and you had
Speaker 2: the opportunity overtime at the coliseum, I said, you would
Speaker 2: have beaten LSU, Penn State, your rival with nine returners
Speaker 2: on a If you just go get a quarterback like
Speaker 2: Oregon did in the portal, you bring back the entire
Speaker 2: offensive line outside of center, all of your receivers, all
Speaker 2: of your tight ends, and you have you had a
Speaker 2: very good recruiting class last year. Defensive line the best
Speaker 2: they've had since Pete Carroll. But they all red shirted.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're a quarterback and maybe a defensive
Speaker 2: tackle and a corner away from being really interesting. And
Speaker 2: somebody said, hey, thanks for the optimism, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: now that's what you really are. Like with Brian Kelly,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I get week to week. USC's games, John,
Speaker 2: they all look the exact same. They lead in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. I mean, take the Michigan game out where
Speaker 2: it felt like they were playing from behind, they were
Speaker 2: playing Chase. Every game looks the same. They just don't.
Speaker 2: They're not good enough at quarterback and they're too young
Speaker 2: on the offensive line to seal it. But I was
Speaker 2: talking to a friend about this, and he's in the South,
Speaker 2: and I said, it's just different out here. It's not
Speaker 2: the beginning and end. They're not no boosters riding a
Speaker 2: fifty million dollar check for Lincoln Riley. They just paid
Speaker 2: three hundred million for facilities. And I said, when I
Speaker 2: look at coaching, I said, do I get the same
Speaker 2: kind of team every week? Brian Kelly's a bit of
Speaker 2: a mess and he's not really likable people like you know,
Speaker 2: the players like Lincoln, they're not a lot of guys transferring.
Speaker 2: The coaches like gi Me built a nice staff. So
Speaker 2: my take on USC is there the advantage to being
Speaker 2: non sec is you get another year to two. Shit,
Speaker 2: they kept Clay Helton around forever and he was over
Speaker 2: his skis your thought.
Speaker 1: On USC, Yeah, I would fall under the USC guy
Speaker 1: that you texted that you're a lot more optimistic than me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're probably gonna get killed this week,
Speaker 1: right and be six and six. So last year was
Speaker 1: a devastating year for Lincoln, right, it was. It was
Speaker 1: not thought of highly and they had a better record
Speaker 1: than this year, right in a conference too that was
Speaker 1: really down. So you look back the Michigan and Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Minnesota is actually pretty good on.
Speaker 2: The well Washington did in a rebuild, Michigan did a rebuild,
Speaker 2: and UCLA's rebuild.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, like, let's use Texas analogy with Sark.
Speaker 1: Sark started just buying sweet players and maybe it's more
Speaker 1: just the Texas boosters and every it's a little more
Speaker 1: aggressive there with football, like they knew they were going
Speaker 1: to the SEC. They have cared for a while, they've
Speaker 1: been dying for like make money legal. Right, they were
Speaker 1: lined up. I wonder if USC, so far removed from Pete,
Speaker 1: has the same aggression, Like if there are six or
Speaker 1: seven guys that can immediately change your organization or your program.
Speaker 1: You know Caleb Downs, I saw you tweeting about him yesterday,
Speaker 1: Who's immediately transfer portal? And really probably three teams put
Speaker 1: all their chips in the middle tables, probably Georgia, Texas,
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Right, Well, can USC start swimming in that
Speaker 1: end of the pool, because I do understand up, I'm
Speaker 1: a USC guy or a booster or someone around the
Speaker 1: program like a liner. I go, well, I know for
Speaker 1: a fact, given the rules that are at play now,
Speaker 1: when we were here with PETE, we would have Caleb Downs.
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't get him, but he's definitely taking a
Speaker 1: visit and having long conversations with all of us. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't even feel like USC is dealing in that.
Speaker 1: And like the slow build, like they aren't slow builds anymore.
Speaker 1: You can quick flip it. And that's why everyone's down
Speaker 1: on Brian Kelly. It's like you guys are in year three?
Speaker 1: What's going on here? Right? And that's where I wonder
Speaker 1: if Lincoln is he going to recruit hard enough? Is
Speaker 1: he going to be able to do that in terms
Speaker 1: of like, listen, I'm not Ohio State guy, but I
Speaker 1: do respect whoever the Caleb downs is this offseason. You
Speaker 1: bet you're ass that it's Sark and Ryan Dan on
Speaker 1: the phone with that kid. Well, because they got the money,
Speaker 1: Well does Lincoln out of them? And Dan Lanning?
Speaker 2: Well the knock on Lincoln and I think it's fair
Speaker 2: he doesn't recruit Southern California. Well, he has not engenered
Speaker 2: himself to Southern California coaches. He can be prickly and
Speaker 2: precious and sort of you know, he's a small town guy.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he feels aloof and that does not work in
Speaker 2: high school recruiting.
Speaker 1: Do they care enough? Look at Michigan's a good example, right,
Speaker 1: They had Harbaugh and they got that taste the last
Speaker 1: three years and it was incredible. And then this year's
Speaker 1: going couldn't be going much worse relative to what they've been.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it's like LSU is getting this quarterback. No,
Speaker 1: we'll rally the money get Larry Ellison on the phone,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we have some package of
Speaker 1: ten to twelve million dollars. I don't exactly, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of discrepancies how the deals structured. But we
Speaker 1: will pay you more than anyone else. Why because we
Speaker 1: care that deeply. We care that deeply, and it feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, when USC was in their heyday, they really
Speaker 1: really cared. Oregon has maintained that right from Bellatti to
Speaker 1: Chip to heal Rich to now through the landing. Well,
Speaker 1: hell feels like it doesn't feel like us he cares enough.
Speaker 2: And I think that's fair. I think Jen Cohen, the
Speaker 2: athletic director does. They're collective thirteen million, so they I
Speaker 2: mean that people have stepped up. But the economy in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles is bigger than almost you know, it's bigger
Speaker 2: than Canadas. So it's you know, are certainly thereabouts.
Speaker 1: So it's fair question, shouldn't it shouldn't they be able
Speaker 1: to outbid some of these You know, if LSU and
Speaker 1: Alabama want a kid in the transfer portal and they're
Speaker 1: willing to pay X, shouldn't they pay X plus another
Speaker 1: twenty percent?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I am the guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's if you look at sports from baseball.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are salary caps, but I think players
Speaker 2: know who's committed. I mean you can see it in
Speaker 2: the NFL like free agency, like people know Philadelphia's committed
Speaker 2: people San Francisco has committed, Chicago's not. And players can
Speaker 2: sniff it. Players can see it and smell it and
Speaker 2: feel it. And I think your questions are what I
Speaker 2: hear from my friends, and I'm probably more patient and
Speaker 2: too optimistic. I think that's that's reasonable. I will say this,
Speaker 2: and I heard it again today from somebody I trust.
Speaker 2: The fastest rising quarterback is going to be Jalen Milroll.
Speaker 2: He can be a bit robotic. It doesn't look pretty.
Speaker 2: But if Minnesota keep Sam Darnold as you're suggesting, and
Speaker 2: many will, there's gonna be seven teams that need a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Somebody's taken that guy. I mean, if the Raiders, I
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