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Speaker 2: I want to spend ten minutes on college football. So

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Speaker 2: my prediction before the year was Ohio State would lose

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Speaker 2: and would play in the National Championship against the Texas Longhorns.

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Speaker 2: So right now, Texas and Ohio State, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: looked like the two best teams along with Oregon. Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame Penn State also very very good. So again it's

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Speaker 2: big brands. You could put seventy four teams in this tournament.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't matter college football even more than college

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Speaker 2: basketball because you have to have depth in football because

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Speaker 2: there's a regulated level of violence. I thought Ohio State,

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Speaker 2: best teams. I thought it was interesting against Indiana. I

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Speaker 2: thought the game would be close. I like the buck

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Speaker 2: Eyes close. I thought it was a real moment where

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Speaker 2: everybody was selling me BYU. No, everybody is selling me Indiana.

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Speaker 2: They just they look nervous. I mean the special team's gaffes.

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Speaker 2: They just didn't look they didn't have the power, they

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Speaker 2: Josh Howard got some crap as they were rolling to

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Speaker 2: win Signette's coat. Yeah, Will Howard. Will Howard, who's a

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Speaker 2: good quarterback. I don't know if he's an NFL guy,

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Speaker 2: but he's a good quarterback. Big kid, you know, makes play.

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Speaker 1: Don't like players who are like I'm kind of into this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of like him. I kind of like him.

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Speaker 2: Somebody probably drafts him. He's hard to evaluate because they're

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Speaker 2: better personnel than everybody in the conference, you know, but

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Speaker 2: funny watching Indiana get up there, and some people were

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Speaker 2: bothered by this gesture Will Howard did at the end,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's really funny. I'm like, guys, Indiana came

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Speaker 2: won a huge college football game in my life, I

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Speaker 2: thought came in with a lot of attitude and a

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Speaker 2: lot of a lot of bravado. And I had no

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Speaker 2: problem with Will Howard's gesture at all. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: perennial world chaml okay, and you're talking shit, then if

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Speaker 2: to hear about it. And you know, Colin, you didn't

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Speaker 2: like Baker Baker Mayfield nine different gestures at Oklahoma. This

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Speaker 2: I thought Indiana was obnoxious, a little cocky coming into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well starts with the coach. I mean, he's got

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Speaker 1: a big opinion of himself. And the second half looked

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Speaker 1: I would have had no problem leaving Indiana at home. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm a Big ten guy or an SEC GA.

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Speaker 1: I'm just an unbiased lover of college football. Anyone making

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Speaker 1: We have the evidence of the NFL draft picks where

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Speaker 1: all the talent is. I'm watching the SEC games on

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Speaker 1: And one these environments on the road are so hard

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Speaker 1: I think they struggled to sniff eight wins. I think

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Speaker 1: And yet we argue this every year. It's like, guys,

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Speaker 1: go like, no one says that about the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: We all acknowledge, Yeah, the Big twelve is a fun conference,

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, it's not a Big ten team.

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Speaker 1: You guys just got them this year. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's carrying you the rest of your conference talent

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Speaker 1: wise looks down. I watched the SEC and I get it.

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Speaker 1: They got a lot of three and four lost teams.

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Speaker 1: The talent on their teams is night, and it's just

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Speaker 1: Is that even arguable this year?

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Speaker 2: No? I mean I watched Oklahoma. I thought they played

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Speaker 2: a perfect football game against Alabama. They just were well coached,

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Speaker 2: They were buttoned up, their quarterback had movement, they were

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Speaker 1: They're good on defense. They have NFL guys on defense well.

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Speaker 1: Venables coach Clemson a bunch of pros, like he knows

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Speaker 1: what it looks like. Offense is gonna be a problem

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Speaker 1: his defense is gonna be good. No, And they handled Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: I thought the same thing about Opera. I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: And you're a former NFL scout, Yeah, I'm just like.

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Speaker 1: But doesn't that jump out sometimes when you watch these

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Speaker 2: If it doesn't really matter how mny? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: You know they've beaten them.

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Speaker 1: They're in because they didn't play anybody and they only

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Speaker 2: And I think Jackson Dart actually is going to be

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Speaker 1: I Florida is a good example, aren't they. I'm watching them,

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Speaker 1: playing Penn State in the first where's most of the

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Speaker 1: he's healthy on Florida, right and if you told me

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Speaker 1: Florida played Notre Dame, Like I'm not saying that Florida

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Speaker 2: So I want to throw this at you. You know

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Speaker 2: my connection to USC. I'm a homer. So I was

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Speaker 2: saying this. It's it's not the South as La is distracted,

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Speaker 2: You're going to be more patient. Jen Cohen's not running

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley out. The boosters aren't going to step up

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Speaker 2: and pay him the seventy million ys ode or whatever

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Speaker 2: it is. Or they're building a three hundred million dollar facility.

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Speaker 2: The nil collective at USC is thirteen million. They're not

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Speaker 2: writing another check for Lincoln Riley. But I I was

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Speaker 2: texting somebody inside USC Athletic department. I said, if you

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Speaker 2: have beaten LSU, Penn State, your rival with nine returners

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Speaker 2: on a If you just go get a quarterback like

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Speaker 2: Oregon did in the portal, you bring back the entire

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Speaker 2: very good recruiting class last year. Defensive line the best

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Speaker 2: they've had since Pete Carroll. But they all red shirted.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're a quarterback and maybe a defensive

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Speaker 2: tackle and a corner away from being really interesting. And

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Speaker 2: somebody said, hey, thanks for the optimism, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: now that's what you really are. Like with Brian Kelly,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I get week to week. USC's games, John,

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Speaker 2: they all look the exact same. They lead in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter. I mean, take the Michigan game out where

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Speaker 2: it felt like they were playing from behind, they were

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Speaker 2: playing Chase. Every game looks the same. They just don't.

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Speaker 2: They're not good enough at quarterback and they're too young

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Speaker 2: on the offensive line to seal it. But I was

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Speaker 2: and I said, it's just different out here. It's not

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Speaker 2: the beginning and end. They're not no boosters riding a

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollar check for Lincoln Riley. They just paid

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Speaker 2: three hundred million for facilities. And I said, when I

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Speaker 2: a mess and he's not really likable people like you know,

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Speaker 2: the players like Lincoln, they're not a lot of guys transferring.

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Speaker 2: The coaches like gi Me built a nice staff. So

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Speaker 2: my take on USC is there the advantage to being

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Speaker 2: non sec is you get another year to two. Shit,

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Speaker 2: they kept Clay Helton around forever and he was over

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Speaker 2: his skis your thought.

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Speaker 1: On USC, Yeah, I would fall under the USC guy

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Speaker 1: that you texted that you're a lot more optimistic than me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're probably gonna get killed this week,

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Speaker 1: right and be six and six. So last year was

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Speaker 1: a devastating year for Lincoln, right, it was. It was

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Speaker 1: not thought of highly and they had a better record

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Speaker 1: really down. So you look back the Michigan and Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: The well Washington did in a rebuild, Michigan did a rebuild,

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Speaker 2: and UCLA's rebuild.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, like, let's use Texas analogy with Sark.

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Speaker 1: Sark started just buying sweet players and maybe it's more

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Speaker 1: just the Texas boosters and every it's a little more

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Speaker 1: aggressive there with football, like they knew they were going

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Speaker 1: to the SEC. They have cared for a while, they've

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Speaker 1: been dying for like make money legal. Right, they were

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Speaker 1: lined up. I wonder if USC, so far removed from Pete,

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Speaker 1: has the same aggression, Like if there are six or

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Speaker 1: seven guys that can immediately change your organization or your program.

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Speaker 1: You know Caleb Downs, I saw you tweeting about him yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Who's immediately transfer portal? And really probably three teams put

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Speaker 1: Well does Lincoln out of them? And Dan Lanning?

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Speaker 2: Well the knock on Lincoln and I think it's fair

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Speaker 2: he doesn't recruit Southern California. Well, he has not engenered

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Speaker 1: Do they care enough? Look at Michigan's a good example, right,

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it's like LSU is getting this quarterback. No,

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Speaker 2: And I think that's fair. I think Jen Cohen, the

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Speaker 2: mean that people have stepped up. But the economy in

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Speaker 1: So it's fair question, shouldn't it shouldn't they be able

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Speaker 1: I am the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's if you look at sports from baseball.

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Speaker 2: feel it. And I think your questions are what I

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Speaker 2: too optimistic. I think that's that's reasonable. I will say this,

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Speaker 2: and I heard it again today from somebody I trust.

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Speaker 2: The fastest rising quarterback is going to be Jalen Milroll.

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Speaker 2: He can be a bit robotic. It doesn't look pretty.

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Speaker 2: But if Minnesota keep Sam Darnold as you're suggesting, and

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Speaker 2: many will, there's gonna be seven teams that need a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's taken that guy. I mean, if the Raiders, I

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Speaker 2: start looking around this league, it could be an our

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Speaker 2: three teams taking quarterbacks. John Middlekoff Three and Out is

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Speaker 2: his podcast at the volume former NFL scout. We chopped

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Speaker 2: it up for an hour and twenty two minutes. It

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Speaker 2: looks like to me as ohas John great, great talking.

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Speaker 1: The volume