WEBVTT - Putin The Ruthless. Mike Lyons on the Russia/Ukraine Conflict. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.800 Russian troops on the move again. Ukrainian officials tonight expressing 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.760 a new concern about further big deployments and neighboring Belarus 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.639 of Russian soldiers along with tanks, artillery and other hardware, 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.560 just some of over one hundred and twenty five thousand 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.919 troops threatening a possible full scale invasion of the country. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.400 And the story broke in the last seventy two hours 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.960 that Joe Biden had a change of heart for some 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.280 reason on the whole idea of US sending troops anywhere, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.640 and we now have eight troops on heightened alert as 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.519 of today, and the idea of sending them to somewhere 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.680 in the region, not Ukraine, but somewhere in the region, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:41.440 and definitely more you know, armament stuff, you know, support. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.360 Military analyst Mike Lyons joins US. Mike served with various 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.400 military organizations for the United States of America throughout his career. 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.800 Was awarded the Bronze Starfer's Actions in Combat, among other recognition. Mike, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.040 how are you, sir, hey when you guys good to 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.480 be back to do? First of all, and I asked 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.760 this because a lot of our listeners are emailing talking 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.160 about guys, we can't go to war war with Russia. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.759 We're gonna go wagging the dog getting in a war. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.640 Where are the troops and our armaments being sent and 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.760 what's the significance of it? I say, Yeah, First of all, 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.400 this is not a waged dog. This is a very 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.600 serious military build up on the side of Russia, who's 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.600 acting more like the Soviet Union right now from more 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.360 analysis that I've been doing in the past few days 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.480 here and they're they're bringing troops from Siberia way the 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.520 east of Moscow. They are have a very very serious 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.199 military build up here, sending troops into Belarus. UM Navy 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.319 for example, is going to go to do an exercise 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.080 in the Irish Sea. And the only thing I can 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.280 see from there that perspective is, you know, a technology 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.720 that trans first from Europe the United States and underground 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.800 cables and things. So they're doing a many things right 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.080 now that are seemed to be very aggressive with regard 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.559 their military. So number one, this is not a waged dog. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.800 So it comes back to this issue of what's this 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:59.240 level of the terns that we're going to do to 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.880 keep them from a really doing something. Um, you know, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.720 we were sending eighty five twops where we put them 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.400 on heightened alert, that's like double secret probation frankly, because 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.600 with the amount of troops that they have there right now, Um, 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.200 we wouldn't get anybody there on time. If we were 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.720 going to put them in Ukraine. We might be able 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.760 to help in a NATO country that's surrounding them, But 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.040 for all practical purposes right now, we've got to look 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.080 at this through the eyes of Russia and say they're 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.800 going to definitely do something. And that's just the question 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.839 is a matter of When I saw one analyst talking 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.320 about Russia having in place what it needs for a 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:33.119 blitzkrieg like operation, just a super fast, overwhelming they've got 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.760 the country before you know what happened sort of maneuver. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.880 Is that possible? Yeah, I think it's true. And they're 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.399 gonna avoid built up areas and likely go for their 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.120 military and so Russia will win this by destroying the 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.560 Ukraine military. Now, we could send all the ammunition and 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.600 javelins and and surface air missiles we want and they 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.639 get to Kiev and you know they can send on 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.440 the docks in place. But but the bottom line is, um, 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.519 if we if if they've destroyed any of users of 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.560 that equipment, it's not going to matter. And they know 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.000 where it all is, they know how they're going to 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.440 target it, they know what they're gonna do. They're gonna 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.560 bypass certain areas. I think that the fact that they 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.720 put so many troops down in the in the northern part, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.440 you know, in that Belarus area, shows they're going to 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.919 do this pincer movement where they're likely come from the north. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.160 They're likely looked to surround the capitol, um and and 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.280 and and and not just take control of of the country, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.200 but you know, really destroy the military and just put 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.440 it set it back thirty to fifty years when it 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.000 comes to being a country. And if they just had 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.600 to leave, then then so what they've destroyed. So Russia's 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.680 perspective of Ukraine is there an enemy. Um, they've been 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.000 they've been fighting for them for the past seven years. Um. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.240 They perceived them as a threat. They perceived them as 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.280 trying to align with the West. And from their perspective, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.400 they don't think the terrence has worked. And they've tried 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.520 to ternce on Ukraine and from their perspective, it hasn't worked, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.720 which is why they're doing what they're doing. Let's rewind 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.520 a little bit, and I realized this could be a 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.720 book length answer. But what are the American interests in Ukraine? 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:02.120 In Russia's aggressions in Ukraine? Why do we care? Well, Um, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.040 at fifty feet, it's supporting, you know, a sovereign nation, 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:10.280 that's democracy. So if it's more ideological than it is economic, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.480 let's say, um, from that perspective, and is you know 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.880 we can cavalist well or not that's a good idea 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.160 to go to war over. Probably not in today's world. Um. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.080 Number two, it also serves as potentially this lynch pin 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.240 that would drive NATO apart. You've got already the Germans 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.920 not playing. They're not really participating in what's going on 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:32.159 because they rely on about their energy comes from Russia, 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:33.760 so they're not looking to get into any kind of 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.960 conflict with Russia. UM. But other than that, it's you know, 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.039 us trying to prop up um. You know, these Eastern 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:45.400 European countries who mistakenly we allowed in NATO following thousand 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.120 and four under the Bush administration. You know. So, so 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.800 this could end up turning out to be a war 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:55.160 of former Soviet bloc countries against against Russia. What happens then? 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.320 What happens if Romania decides to cross the border that 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.440 they share with Ukraine and help the Ukraine military. Russia 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.640 attacks them and does something into Ukraine, It launches missiles 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.480 into into Rope And then what happens. Then that's a 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.760 NATO country. Here we go Article five And now the 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.039 US has dragged into this. This was the problem of 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.840 putting these countries in. I've said this before. We can't 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.000 have membership to NATO to be everybody but Russia. Same 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.440 mistake we're making that we made it started World War One. Yeah, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.559 I'm glad you brought that up, that whole NATO Article 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.200 five things. So that's the danger of the United States 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.640 actually getting involved. Right if if any NATO plane or 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.880 ship or soldier or anybody, um somehow on purpose or 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.800 inadvertently gets attacked, then then things change. Yeah, and theory. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.280 There's a lot of things going on in the med 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.279 right now. We've got a carrier group there, the Russians 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.039 have got UM naval forces there, They've got them in 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.719 the Atlantic in the Black Sea. Of course, anything that 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.840 we just don't know what that trigger could be, and 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.719 that could lead to a further escalation, and and then 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.440 what does that look like. I mean, from from our perspective, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.880 it's only strategic weapons, because, like I said, we we 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.039 don't have any cap ability to get troops there on time. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.200 I just don't think troops on high alert is the 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.520 is a kind of deterrence that we need to be doing. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.920 I also don't agree with US implementing sanctions right now. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.920 Anything we do right now is going to be considered preemptive. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.240 It's going to be considered an act of war on 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.120 the Russian side. So I think that'll just further down 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.520 the road his capability of of wanting to to do 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.760 this even more. I mean, he's got to look at 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.599 right now the cost of not acting that that Talleyrand 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.240 expression about, you know, you can do a lot of 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.480 things that bayonets but can't sit on him. He's gonna 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.440 lose a lot of face here if nothing, if nothing 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.080 does happen, if he doesn't do anything. Um with his 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.240 own people, I think, UM, and we've got to figure 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.400 out diplomatically if there's if there's an off ramp to 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.960 that or not or else. Right now, from the way 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.240 I look at it, UM, the Ukraine military is about 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.120 to be destroyed. Well boy there, Well, there's been some 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.120 reporting that the Ukraine military's plan is to kill as 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.919 many Russian soldiers as fast as they can and have 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.560 the Russian public turn against this. Of course, if it's 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.720 a to day operation for Russian to roll through the 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.800 whole country and take it over, there wouldn't be time 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.360 to uh public opinion. There's a crazy op in the 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.440 worst of insurance say that says a hundred thousand troops 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.520 is not enough. And I sit there and go, how 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.720 do you know that? I mean, we look at we 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.880 look at the situation in the past of what's what's happened. 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.480 I just don't think that that's you know, a feasible 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.160 way of deterrence and making sure that that that that uh, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.960 that's going to keep them from doing anything. Mike, have 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.040 you actually let loose the dogs of war? We can 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.480 hear the dogs of war in the background. Yeah, I 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.000 had him, had him rocked up, but he gets that 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.960 you worry about it. We just thought that was a 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.080 funny joke. That's all there was to that. Bans. Military 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.239 analysts on the line always great to talk to, Mike James. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.400 So is the most likely thing that happens. Then Russia 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.200 moves in. It only takes a couple of days, they 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.040 destroy the Ukrainian they take over Ukraine and the world 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.720 says in what are you gonna do? Is that what's 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.640 gonna happen? Yeah? I think so. I think that the 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.640 question is how much damage does Russia cause? Do they 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.600 feel they have to go overboard? And um, it could 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.880 lead to those crippling sanctions that we say that that 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.480 are going to happen again, the Germans are not going 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.760 to go with them, and the Chinese will still you know, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.240 back to support them as well. Um. I just think 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.840 that the question is how much will be destroyed of 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.280 the Ukraine military, because that's really it would be no 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.040 match they have. They don't have the same capabilities over 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.600 some fifty thous and they've got all those other troops 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.120 that are there as well. They just don't have any 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.760 kind of capability. And again, these anti tank missiles and 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.440 the things we're sending is not gonna be enough to 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.720 stop them. They're they're the Russians are going to do 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.040 this by indirect fire. They're gonna fire missiles and artillery 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.520 into these built up is Flattenum, level them for a 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.080 few days and then a side role and I to 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.640 destroy anything that's left over. So just another book length question, 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.360 you know, condensed down into a minute or two. Um, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.960 to what extent, in your opinion, is Vladimir Putin trying 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.960 to recapture the not only the ground but the glory 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.440 of the Soviet Empire? And to what extent is he 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.800 like Russian rulers through history, you know, fairly paranoid about 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.880 attacks from the west and the south, and he's just 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.680 trying to establish a buffer. I think he's not acting 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.240 like a Russian ruler. He's acting like a Soviet ruler. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.040 He's not. It's and there's a difference. I mean, um, 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.319 you know, Russia potentially would have been part of the 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.240 international community. Look at me Boris Yeltson and look at 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.760 the things that that they they've tried to do at 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.839 the end there with Glasnostin and Gorbacheff, and that was 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.440 more of a Russian ruler. He's much more ruthless. He's 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.280 more of a Soviet union leader that wants to bring 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.880 um as much damage down and fear as a tactic 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.000 in order to get things going. There's no karent and 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.440 stick with Vladimir Putin. I think the question is, um, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.200 he wants America out of Europe, that's for sure, and 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.520 a little secret as we are. I mean, we took 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.839 three hundred thousand troops out in the nineties, but he 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.760 doesn't want any more influence in those NATO countries that 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.719 we have there, and I think I think that's um. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.200 The question of whether he can get there with this 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.000 or not it remains to be seen. I saw a 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.160 good article from Fiona Hill that said, you know, he's 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.080 got us right where he wants us, and there's there's 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.760 some ways that's true. The question is again, he goes 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.600 in there with this destructive force, kills a lot of people, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.160 destroys the Ukraine military, and then turns the United States 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.959 and say, now, what are you gonna do about it? Yeah. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.840 The frustrating thing to me is I watched this is 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.040 there's no well, not no. There are a few strong 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:22.400 intrinsic reasons why we are rivals with Vladimir Putin and 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.800 his his kleptocracy. I mean, it's not like China exactly. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:30.000 He's not exactly a communist, a sort of one. But 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.679 why in the world there are we these huge adversaries 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.680 with Putin. Well, it's because Putin's a megalomaniac, I think, yeah, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.120 And he's got new crispins and they they he does 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.839 fancy himself as being, you know, a global leer. He 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.559 wants to exert global influence, especially in the region. It's 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.079 the same reason why the Chinese want us out of Asia, um, 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.200 Russia wants us out of Europe, and he wants to 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.240 have that sphere of influence over it. Um. You know, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.720 I do think that at the end of the day, though, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.160 if we get too bogged down in this and we 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.600 keep don't keep on the ball, that China still presents 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.240 the bigger problem because of their economy and because of 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.280 where their military capability is. And we couldn't make a 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.360 bullet to kill all the people. So you know, there's 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.640 just not you know that it's still a pretty large 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.960 distraction here, and I'm not sure we're gonna be able 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.200 to thread the needle on this in a way. Um 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.000 that's gonna that's gonna either say faced on our side, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.520 on the Native side, doesn't. Some's put the alliance up 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.760 on some level. But I do think again that it's 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.040 going to be connectic and I think that that a 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.200 large part of that Ukraine military is going to get 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.320 destroyed because he's got the capability to do that. Well, 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.080 almost use up all our time before I ask my 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.040 big stupid question, which is is there any chance Russian 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.760 and China is working together that that Russia is gonna 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.720 move on Ukraine and China is gonna move on Taiwan. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.959 I think the only way that happens is if it's 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.120 uh after the Olympics. The Chinese have got so much 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.760 focus there. He we Russia did that at the end 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.839 of the Socio Olympics. Literally the last day Olympics, he 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.679 moved on Crimea. I think that he's gonna least give 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.920 the Chinese that amount of time. It's gonna give two 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.760 or three more weeks for the ground to freeze so 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.480 the tanks don't sink and in the mud as they 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.440 roll across the country. But I got I think quick 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.840 incursion go in a lot of fires, a lot of 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.080 death and destruction. I'm not sure they're going to occupy, 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.439 but I don't think it's still gonna happen for a 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.000 couple of weeks because of the Olympics. So that's where 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.400 they're gonna work together, well, getting back here charming saying 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.120 about Bayonets. Something is going to happen. I hope we 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.079 can stay in touch. Military analysts, my clients always enlightening Mike, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.680 thanks a million, Hey guys, good thanks for having me. Yeah. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.320 If you want to follow the story, follow him on 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.120 Twitter because he he often has the very latest best 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.400 stuff going on there. I think they're just gonna roll 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.560 in take over Ukraine. The world's gonna say, damn it. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:44.120 Can you believe that? That's s sanctions? Strong statements? Strong statements. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.840 So Putin has a mass to half a trillion dollars 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.720 of reserve money according to report out today. To be 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.679 able to weather sanctions half a trillion, he needs oil 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.320 to be forty dollars a barrel. To be able to 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.640 make a profit. It's twice that, and that's where they 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.559 get most of their revenue. So financially, a lot of 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.960 fakers think the sanctions just he's not scared of him 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.400 at all. Between oil and has saved up money. So 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.480 he's gonna roll and he's gonna take Ukraine in the 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.320 world's gonna go. God, can you believe he did that? 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:14.880 Damn it? Because he care? What a mean guy? Anyway, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.240 have you seen have you seen the new season of 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:18.840 squid Game? And then we go back to other, you know, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.800 whatever stuff we talk about. I think he nailed it. Yeah, 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:22.320 there you go.