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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders alongside Ian Rappaport and Mike Garafollo.

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Speaker 1: I once again am Tom Pellisera. This is part two

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Speaker 2: Right here.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Dallas Cowboys here because Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: as we were recording part one of this show, was

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Speaker 1: at the podium and said they are going to continue

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Speaker 1: to move forward with Cooper Rush as their starting quarterback,

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Speaker 1: despite what that looked like yesterday. I and despite people

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Speaker 1: calling for Trey Lance. This makes sense to be on

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Speaker 1: multiple avelos. One from everybody I've talked to, from everybody

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Speaker 1: I know there that locker room believes in Cooper Rush. Again,

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Speaker 1: yesterday was but there's a belief in him because the

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Speaker 1: games they won with him back in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. He's a veteran who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to get you into the right place. There were

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Speaker 1: some circumstances involved yesterday the stat line is really bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean through about forty second yards, so.

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Speaker 2: Their stat lines are bad combined, so not correct.

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Speaker 1: But with Trey Lance also this idea of what just

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Speaker 1: see what you have if he's not starting right now,

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Speaker 1: that probably tells you that they feel like they've got

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Speaker 1: a better chance. They've got more predictability. I think maybe

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Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush, and I mean that in a good way,

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Speaker 1: not predictability schematically, I mean ian they know what they're

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Speaker 1: going to get from Cooper Rush. With Trey Lance, the

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Speaker 1: issues have always been its injuries and accuracy. There's a

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Speaker 1: consistency of that when you don't have that time on

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Speaker 1: task that maybe they're not willing to risk right now.

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Speaker 1: If they lose a couple more and fall out of

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, maybe you do see Trey Lance. But right

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Speaker 1: now they're still in it, and they're going with the

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Speaker 1: guy that the locker room is up for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I would say generally, in my experience

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Speaker 2: in a life, usually when there's something that inexplicably has happened,

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Speaker 2: like how could they not play this guy when he's

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Speaker 2: obviously better? I remember covering when I was covering Mississippi State.

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Speaker 2: When I was covering Alabama, it was the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like, they got this five star linebacker on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: These coaches are crazy. How are they not playing him?

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Speaker 2: And then when you find out is they end up

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Speaker 2: He doesn't know what he's doing, or he's can't tackle

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Speaker 2: weird experience. I feel like I've told the story before,

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Speaker 2: but had to really experience a really weird experience with

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Speaker 2: sort of about Trey Lance. When I was at forty

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Speaker 2: rehabbing his shoulder injury before he got uh traded, I

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Speaker 2: guess right, No, no, nope, before he agreed to try

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Speaker 2: agreed to come back. Remember that, Yeah, anyway, And I'm

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Speaker 2: standing there was it was his second year, might have

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Speaker 2: swum together and they're having a catch and they're about

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Speaker 2: and Trey Lent is throwing it so far over his

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking, like this is crazy, Like I've never

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Speaker 2: not at all what I'm saying, but accuracy is definitely

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Speaker 2: it's not always something you can improve. I say all

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Speaker 2: this to say, if the Cowboys are not playing, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but sometimes you gotta just see it, and for

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Speaker 3: better or worse, Lamar Jackson early in his career was

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Speaker 3: By the way, not saying he's gonna be Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: It's not like it's been two months since the trade.

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Speaker 3: It's been over a calendar year fifteen, Okay, long enough. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you've also got this coaching staff still playing for

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Speaker 3: their coaching, for their jobs, right, I mean Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 3: who I do think that the Michaeh. Parsons comments were

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Speaker 2: Of proportions so annoying.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, speak on it.

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Speaker 2: does Micah? Was it perfect? No? I read the comments.

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Speaker 2: I watched the comments. It was not perfect. Okay. Michael

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Speaker 2: Parsons speaks his mind, and he has a podcast and

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Speaker 2: he's very outspoken, and sometimes it doesn't come out exactly

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Speaker 2: like you you would think. Was Micah Parsons implying that

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Speaker 2: he doesn't care about Mike McCarthy, that he only cares

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Speaker 2: about the veterans on his team. Obviously not. It's nobody

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Speaker 2: don't understand why people would go on air and insinuate

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Speaker 2: more like better TV? Like I don't know. I think

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Speaker 2: trashing his coaching staff. Clearly he just met. Hey, Zach

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Speaker 2: Barton's been here for twelve years, this might be his

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Speaker 2: last year. He's probably not going to get a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl ring. That sucks. That's obviously what he meant. It's

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Speaker 1: Well, this is also though, an issue with Micah, which is,

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Speaker 1: got taken out of context. There's been enough Micah thinks

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Speaker 1: We do live where everything gets sensationalized and it becomes

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Speaker 1: a you know, a whole heap of nonsense, but no doubt,

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Speaker 1: like I feel for Mike McCarthy and Mike Zimmer and

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Speaker 1: the coaches there because right now they're on a three

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Speaker 1: got their problems, but you know, they were a twelve

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Speaker 1: say it's the coach's fault they're not playing better, in

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Speaker 1: the Jets who pointed the fingers squarely Woody Johnson did

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Speaker 1: at Robert Salla after a two and three start, fires

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Speaker 1: first place in the AFC East. They have played from

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Speaker 1: not mistake. They played nine games, right, so they've played

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Speaker 1: eight halves of football since then. They have played objectively speaking,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty on all these things, Mike, it always felt

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Speaker 1: like weird timing. You're two and three. Yeah, you were

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Speaker 1: coming off of not a great performance, and maybe the

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Speaker 2: A mutiny of foot.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even you know, when the Saints fired Dennis Allen,

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Speaker 4: You didn't have those same signs in New York. And

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Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, Mike, you're what three and seven,

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Speaker 4: You're hovering on the brink of being completely out of

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Speaker 4: this thing with a forty year old quarterback throwing to

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Speaker 4: it's like, what, what exactly are we building.

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Speaker 2: Right now in New York?

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Speaker 3: Which is why I I as I'm watching this, I'm

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Speaker 1: After the third down play where the ball is thrown

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Speaker 1: to DeVante Adams and this way they sound like he

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Speaker 1: then that fourth down, Rogers like does something we've seen

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Speaker 1: down in like the chalk outline pose on the ground, right,

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Speaker 1: and it's just down there for a few seconds. He's

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Speaker 1: and it's in that moment it's like a you know,

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Speaker 1: a yeah, I mean quantum leap, right.

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Speaker 4: Is, anyway, it's there's no way.

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Speaker 1: There is no earthly reason that Aaron Rodgers at any

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Speaker 1: point would have thought that this was even possible. The

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Speaker 1: three and seven and getting the crap beat out of

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Speaker 1: him and has DeVante Adams and it's not worth nothing

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Speaker 1: is working, and Saul has been fired and you're five

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Speaker 1: games back.

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Speaker 3: In the division.

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Speaker 1: There's no way get all the contemplated scenarios Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: would have thought this is possible.

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Speaker 2: If he did.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he comes back. You know a guy

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Speaker 2: I well, okay, let's go to the coaching search. Let's

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Speaker 2: go right there, because obviously we know for sure they

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Speaker 2: Okay. Summarized with the possibility of the likelihood, I would

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Speaker 3: Here? Why would you you took Aaron Rodgers feedback on

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Speaker 3: Why would you be like Okay, so what now? What now, Aaron?

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Speaker 1: Like limits eleven teams right now. Dolphins still play to night,

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Speaker 3: I feel and everybody's there's a lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: You didn't think that was John Marra at a screening

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. John would not have answered it.

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Speaker 3: let me tell you the progression of how this happens. Theoretically,

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Speaker 3: What John mara is then going to say, basically, in

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Speaker 3: To make playoffs, doesn't matter. They have to make plays.

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Speaker 2: I mean that, I actually do think they're kind of

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Speaker 3: The quarterback not pulling the trigger on the flea flicker

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Speaker 2: I talk about it with our flag football team all

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Speaker 3: How's his job security?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean so, and he was responsible for I'll

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Speaker 3: A touchdown about his kid, like you know, like, did

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Speaker 2: I'm gonnamute this he had. So he threw two pick sixes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So let me be let me be as very good.

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Speaker 3: That's why the whole emotion thing two weeks ago in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: You gave Drew Locke a little bit of money to

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Speaker 1: The reason is that you can't win football games. You

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Speaker 3: I also, am are we laying out? Sorry? You're trying

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Speaker 2: I hope you're okay with that mean hate that they hate.

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Speaker 1: he's got that kind of that joy back in him

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Speaker 2: These are really really hard decisions, like, you know, do

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Speaker 2: do you trade? Like these are all I hate this term,

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Speaker 2: but it's no other way. Like these are all big

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Speaker 2: we have a guy or do we not? Now? Because

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Speaker 2: a decision, and then it's like, what do they do,

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Speaker 2: And of all of the whips, of all of the decisions,

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Speaker 2: for Dan Morgan the general manager, and Dave Canalis, head coach,

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Speaker 2: nothing is more important than do we have the quarterback

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Speaker 2: in our building? Because there are two options. There are

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Speaker 2: a couple options, but the two main options here this

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Speaker 2: trade Bryce Young, and God forbid he goes somewhere else

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Speaker 2: and becomes Sam Darnold, Gino Smith or Mayfield. Like that

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Speaker 2: could happen. He absolutely could become Baker Mayfield. And then

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Speaker 2: it's like you traded him and what did you get?

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Speaker 2: Or you hold on to him and he becomes a

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Speaker 2: guy where he doesn't But like, this is setting up

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Speaker 2: to be way more interesting than it otherwise could have been,

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Speaker 2: which is good. This is the scenario you want, But

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Speaker 2: I don't like it's still going to be like high

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Speaker 2: high high stakes decision maker.

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Speaker 3: Well, a lot of times you look at this and

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Speaker 3: say it's a new regime, like a new GM, And

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Speaker 3: but the GM was there before and the owner has

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Speaker 3: not changed, not as GM, but yes, but he's part

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Speaker 3: of the process and the owner has not changed. And

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Speaker 3: we know the owner was a big part of the

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Speaker 3: quarterback evaluation process. He was at all the pro days.

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Speaker 3: He was in there and all the meetings and all

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Speaker 3: that stuff, and we know what he thought like and

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Speaker 3: nobody likes being wrong. So the idea of wait a second,

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Speaker 3: you could turn this thing around here, and you know,

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Speaker 3: again it's it's his resources as well that he wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have to spend. Sure, that's gonna be a big part

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Speaker 3: of it as well. And uh, you know, it would

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Speaker 3: be nice if if this guy that I was in on,

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Speaker 3: and we were all eventually in on when we made

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Speaker 3: the decision, if he comes around, boy, that feels great. Uh,

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Speaker 3: And that'd be the best thing possible. So it gives

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Speaker 3: a reason to watch the Panthers down the stretch here.

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Speaker 3: It gives a reason to be invested in what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: And he's a good kid. I had a chance to

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Speaker 3: spend some time with Bryce Young and his pro day

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Speaker 3: and very nice and otherwise good kid. You always want

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Speaker 3: good things to happen to be people.

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Speaker 1: Dave Canal is still not committing to him as the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback this week against the Kansas City Chiefs. We'll

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Speaker 1: see exactly how that plays out. You mentioned Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: there real quickly in am I the only one who's

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Speaker 1: never seen anything like the eight second long stiff arm

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Speaker 1: on Nick Bosa yesterday. It's not that you know. I

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of replies. I posted that on social media.

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Speaker 1: I got a bunch of replies to be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Lamar did that last week? Jalen Hurts stead last, No,

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Speaker 1: none of them stiff arms. The guy then takes twenty

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Speaker 1: steps with the arm being held.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch it was like he was like it

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Speaker 2: was a weird looking play. It was like he was

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Speaker 2: trying to play tug of war. He was like trying

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Speaker 2: to grasp the only thing he'd get was his arm,

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Speaker 2: and he couldn't. He was like trying to like pull

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Speaker 2: the arm. It was very funny.

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Speaker 1: It's a very strange looking player. They faced fourty niners

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Speaker 1: team of course, got Christian McCaffrey back in that game. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they definitely were cautious in terms of the work cload

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Speaker 1: Mike on McCaffrey. But he did some things in that

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Speaker 1: game that certainly looked like the Christian McCaffrey we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and through through his return to play process, and

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Speaker 3: it was a long process. Whose return to play process.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like in his mind it was like pass fail, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm either gonna play or I'm not gonna play. There's

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Speaker 3: gonna be no limited. If I'm ready to go, I'm

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Speaker 3: ready to go. If I'm still feeling something, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Quite there might so long to come back from injuries.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that's his, that's his things.

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Speaker 1: Me.

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Speaker 2: No, it's me Tom.

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to look up the stats and it's

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Speaker 1: got to start playing the game from the start.

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Speaker 3: Goodness. Sorry, right here, I think, well, no need interview

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Speaker 3: you to that button?

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Speaker 2: Is mine the wrong way.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I got two kids. I got my daughter climbing

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Speaker 3: up a glass door here, here's what you need to know.

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Speaker 3: I got the other one sitting here, although she's been

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Speaker 3: quite a good job, Carmen. That's why I just hit

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Speaker 3: the mute button. Then when they can just scream and

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Speaker 3: yell and you don't hear anything.

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Speaker 2: Am I muted right now?

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Speaker 3: No, you're good. I'm sorry. I'm just talking over you.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen carries for thirty nine yards for Christian McCaffrey. Also,

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Speaker 1: how many six sketches for sixty eight yards of nine nineteen?

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Speaker 3: What did I say? I said he'd be in the

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Speaker 3: neighborhood of the Low twenties. Is that is that in

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Speaker 3: the neighborhood of the low twenties and I'm mutiny that's

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Speaker 3: in the top. To take that as a victory, I

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Speaker 3: forget what I was saying to welcome back Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry if it's too late for your fantasy team.

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Speaker 3: I picked the right year to have the number two

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Speaker 3: overall pick. Although now Ceedee Lamb with Cooper Rush. It's

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Speaker 3: like the light the house lights coming on at two am,

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Speaker 3: you know not, so it is.

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Speaker 2: In shambles right now. I had to start Matt Jones

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Speaker 2: first drive. I was like, we are rolling and that

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Speaker 2: was that was the highlight.

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Speaker 1: Uh last night Sunday Night Football The Lions, Uh you

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Speaker 1: want you want to talk again? Like we mentioned about

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs off the Top in part one of this episode,

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Speaker 1: here the Lions also have that certain team, a Destiny

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Speaker 1: style thing working for him where no matter what's going on,

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff literally throws five interceptions in that game.

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Speaker 4: And they still win.

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Speaker 1: It really makes you wonder, like, what what is going

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Speaker 1: to take Ian the Lions out of a game if

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Speaker 1: this didn't do it against a pretty talented Texans team

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Speaker 1: that just didn't finish in that game, Like what what

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Speaker 1: does in the Lions? Because Dan Campbell's done an amazing

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Speaker 1: job of ingraining them with that. Uh that can't kill

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Speaker 1: us mentality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that there is like to understand culture is so impossible,

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Speaker 2: and like I've done this before too. It's been the

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Speaker 2: opposite of like, oh, this team has a really good

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Speaker 2: foundation and culture, and then like they lose and everyone

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Speaker 2: starts yelling at each other and they don't finish games.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, wow, I was way wrong on that.

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Speaker 2: This team looks like like they play so hard. I

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Speaker 2: know how everybody hates playing them, which is always a

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Speaker 2: very good sign. They play so hard. They're very talented.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. So quarterbacks are weird usually because they're kind

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Speaker 2: of like the guys in basketball just shoot constantly, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, well, I'm a shooter, so that's what I do.

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Speaker 2: Is i'm missing, I'm just keep shooting. But to listen

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Speaker 2: to Jared Goff was so funny because he was like, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I wasn't really doing anything wrong, so

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Speaker 2: I wasn't bummed about my five interceptions. I just kind

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Speaker 2: of keep doing what I'm doing. But he was so right,

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Speaker 2: like did he make the greatest throws, like no, but

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of those throws were more like circumstanced.

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Speaker 2: So I'm watching and I'm like, is Jared Goff playing

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Speaker 2: bad or is he just they're just making nice plays?

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Speaker 2: And I think in the end he wasn't really playing

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Speaker 2: that bad. They were just making nice plays and he

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Speaker 2: just kept rolling And yeah, I mean that was now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know the Kyamer Fairbarn makes that kick,

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Speaker 2: and I think Texas probably there's you know, there are

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Speaker 2: other things that happen. And I would also say this

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Speaker 2: is not like a moral victory at all, but the

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Speaker 2: Texans protection looked so much better that even though CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud didn't play great and they made one small change

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Speaker 2: in the offensive line moved the center over, but I

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Speaker 2: was kind of like, all right, I think this team

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Speaker 2: is gonna be okay because they protected so much better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a small change, but it's also

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Speaker 3: the mentality change of we got embarrassed against the Jets

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Speaker 3: in the second half there, and we need to on

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Speaker 3: both sides of the ball, and Dimico Ryans did a

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Speaker 3: great job of refocusing them. You get the extra couple

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00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: of days that helps as well, but that's how it

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Speaker 3: works in this league, right, this team, and that's why

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Speaker 3: the you know, the casual prognosticators is like, oh, how

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Speaker 3: could that team hang with this team? Well, because it's

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Speaker 3: a week to week league and a team that's flying

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Speaker 3: high versus a team that really needs to regroup and

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Speaker 3: get itself together. The Texas did it as great a

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Speaker 3: job of that as you'll see, and still wound up losing.

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Speaker 3: Still wand up. I mean, to have five interceptions and

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Speaker 3: to lose the game, it's got to be soul crushing.

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Speaker 3: So they've got the Cowboys on deck, if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 3: In the Battle of Texas. And you talked about Ian

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Speaker 3: people hating to play the Alliance the week after you

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Speaker 3: play the Lions, I don't know. I don't have the numbers,

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Speaker 3: but your subs it's more of a like you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of times you see in the NFL network

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Speaker 3: they have these points, spreads and stuff like that. There's

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Speaker 3: that web as well. Yes, there's that world as well.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that's a big thing in that world. The week

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Speaker 3: after somebody plays the Lions. So let's see if the

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Speaker 3: Texans are able to respond there?

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks to everybody for watching and listening to

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Speaker 1: another Monday YouTube and podcast edition of The Insiders. We

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Speaker 1: will be back on NFL Network on Tuesday, like we

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Speaker 1: are every Tuesday, Wednesday Friday, seven pm Eastern Time, live

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network and NFL Plus. We also have a

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Speaker 1: Thursday show. It is on the NFL channel on fast

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Speaker 1: streaming platforms. That one, too, is on YouTube, and you

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Speaker 1: is your first time checking us out. Hopefully we didn't

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