1 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Everybody. Chris Harry with you on a Mini Camp edition 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: of Chargers Weekly. A jam packed episode ahead a bit 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: later by one on one interview with cornerback Trevor Williams, 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: who's gone from undrafted free agent to integral member of 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: the Chargers secondary. We'll also spent around the AFC West 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: with Lindsay Jones some great insight into the Broncos, Chiefs, 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: and Raiders. But first I go one on one with 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Ken wizzen Hunt to discuss all things Chargers offense. 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: All right, As promised, offensive coordinator Ken wizzen Hunt joys 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: being on a Chargers Weekly. Coach, appreciate your time. How 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: you doing. I'm doing great. It's good to be with you. Thanks. Yeah, 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: we're right in the teeth of mini camp. How's it 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: been so far? It's been good. Yeah. I think you know, 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: you forget when you the time on the grass with 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: the guys and in the class room, especially when you're 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: competing like we are. It's a lot of fun. You 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: get to see a lot of things that you work on, 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, in the offseason, which I'm talking about for 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: coaches when we're working on Okay, hey, how about this Okay, 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: I like this. We do think this can work, and 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: then you get to see those things in action. But 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: you get to see your guys do it, and you 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: know that's after going back and looking through cut ups 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: things that we did well. It's good the phase one 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: in Phase two part of it. It's always great to 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: be back with your players. But when you're on the 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: field with him and those in the phase two part 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: of it, you know, you're on air. You're just running 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: through sure routes. You're doing it against little dots on 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: the field, so you're trying to get identifications. But then 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: when you're doing against moving objects like we are in 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: the mini camp, and when you don't know what's coming, 33 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: it's great. It's just fun to see the reaction to compete. 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's great to get back to the actual 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: football part of it. You'll explain the importance of this 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: week because this is the last week before the guys 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: are gone for about six weeks and then Trenning Camp 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: ramps up in July. Explain the importance of kind of 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: ender on a high note being crisp this week with 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: some momentum going into July. It's funny in the offseason 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: or when you go through the off season, and what 42 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: you're actually doing is installing your offense a couple of times. 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: What you do initially in the OTA phase of it, 44 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: which is four weeks, you go through and you put 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: in your entire offense, which includes for instance, red zone, 46 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: third down, two minute, all those things that you see 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: situationally in a game, as well as all your first 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: second and third down stuff that you do in a 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: normal normally that you do. Okay, So you get through 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: the whole part of your installation in the in the 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: nine ten OTAs that you have, and you go through 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: situations and then what we do and what we've seen 53 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: have been has been done in the past. Then you 54 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: go back through it again in a short quick burst 55 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: of three days, which is the mini camp. So actually 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're getting it installed twice and 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: you're coming back through things that you would run before. 58 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: This is really good for the young players. Actually, for 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: the players like let's say Mike, who's we're trying Mike Williams, 60 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: it is really you know, this is his first action 61 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: at this because he only practiced one or two days 62 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: and he was hurting. Then when his next practices came, 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: it was in season. So now you're getting to see 64 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: him really in competitive situations where you know you can't 65 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: go one on one, there's not tackling, there's none of that. 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: But you're getting to see him have to react to 67 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: a coverage, having to make sure he gets his depth, 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: seeing if he can catch a ball over his shoulder 69 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: when a defender's running next to him. So but not 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: only do you get to see those things individually, you 71 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: get to see him situationally. So for instance, today we 72 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: had to play in the red zone where he got 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: a chance to throw him a fade and he got 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: to catch that. So you know, that's the great part 75 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: of this. So essentially, what you've done is you've gone 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: through your installs for the first for twice, and then 77 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: we'll go back. We'll come back and however many weeks 78 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: when we start camp and go through it again. So 79 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: it's great, especially for the young players because when you're 80 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: throwing a lot of this at him, it's hard to learn, 81 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: and especially in this form because they're not getting a 82 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of reps because we've got ninety guys. You 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: still are getting your starters, some reps, some of the 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: developmental guys aren't getting a tremendous amount, so you're having 85 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: to learn a little bit from watching it on tape. 86 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: So when you get a chance to go through all 87 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: the OTAs and then go through the mini camp, you know, 88 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: it gives them a good basis so that when we 89 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: come back into training camp, we can start fast. So 90 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: it is an important part. The biggest thing is we 91 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: get to find out a lot about our players, especially 92 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: the new ones, and they get to find out a 93 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: lot about what we try to get done so that 94 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: everybody can move together better when we get to training camp. 95 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: You know, this is such an interesting time because you 96 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: look back to twenty seventeen, this was the number one 97 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: passing offense in the league. Knowing that you know, unfortunately 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: Hunter's not going to be on the field this year 99 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: and Mike, a guy like Mike, is coming back into 100 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: the fold. How do you balance or tweak the offense 101 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: based on what you saw last year and then based 102 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: on the strengths of some of the guys that you're 103 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: going to be relying on more in twenty eighteen. Well, 104 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: that's all part of this process. Yeah, I mean, that's 105 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: what and you asked, you know, what's so good about 106 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: the OTAs or what are we what is a part 107 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: of it that is a part of it. You know, unfortunately, 108 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: losing Hunter it hurt because he's a tremendous young player, 109 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: and you know that's unfortunate, But just like anything, it 110 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: could happen in season and somebody has to step up. 111 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: We're in a position now where we can look at 112 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: some different players in different spots to see if we 113 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: can what they can do and how we can move 114 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: things around. One of the things that and this is 115 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: a credit to our players and our staff, one of 116 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: the things that we've done really well is we put 117 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: guys in a lot of different positions and that's a 118 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: stress on them mentally and physically. But you know, it's 119 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: a process that you go through. So now with not 120 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: having Hunter, you know, a lot of it's going to 121 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: depend on who shows up, especially in the first couple 122 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: of weeks in camp as far as who are the 123 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: guys making plays. Preseason games are going to be a 124 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: big part of that. You know, is there going to 125 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: be somebody at the tight end position that's going to 126 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: be able to help fill that gap? You know, we're 127 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: excited about Virgil Green. Yeah, I mean, he's he's looked 128 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: good out here, and he's gotten better and better as 129 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: he's progressed through the OTAs and the mini camp. But 130 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: it's a whole different world when you put the pads 131 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: on and then when you get into the preseason games. 132 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: So I think we're very fortunate because you know, if 133 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: you just think about our group, the four receivers, you know, 134 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: including Mike into that group, he at least has some experience, 135 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: so we have a pretty good idea of what they do, 136 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and we can move those guys around, so that helps. 137 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: You know, usually we have Hunter and three receivers, so 138 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: if we have to go to some four receivers, then 139 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, that could be part of something that we 140 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: might do, and we did a little bit of that 141 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, Austin Eckler's development last year certainly helps 142 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: because Melvin has become such a good receiver and Austin 143 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: has shown he can do some things that you know, 144 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: you have some things where you can incorporate those guys, 145 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: and then some of the young tight ends, you know, 146 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: are they going to be able to step up or 147 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: how are they going to develop? So there's a lot 148 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: of things right now that you know, if you're if 149 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: you're say you're juggling things, there's a lot of balls 150 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: in the air right now. Yeah. But the great thing 151 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: about that is, and I said this the other day, 152 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: we have a lot of unselfish guys. So you know, 153 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: you can have Travis be the decoy sometimes you can 154 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: have Keenan be the decoy sometimes when you're trying to 155 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: get the ball to Tyrrell, or you're trying to get 156 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: the ball to Mike, or you're doing something with you know, 157 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: one of our other players. So it's exciting to see 158 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: what we can do with some of these things. And 159 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: it certainly gives us flexibility which will help. How much 160 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: has Keenan factored all of this? I mean we got 161 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: to see him healthy for sixteen games last year. His 162 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: ability to play inside and outside, it has to be 163 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: an advantage for you in lining him up in certain situations, 164 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: allowing guys like like Travis Benjamin, Mike Williams to get involved. 165 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: And then you mentioned a guy like Virgil Green as well. Well. 166 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: You know, his flexibility obviously helps, and he lined up 167 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: in a lot of different spots. But he is so versatile, 168 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: not only because he's smart and he can handle all 169 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: those different spots. But because he can play inside and 170 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: being effective as a receiver and play outside and be 171 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: effective as a receiver, he can do a lot of 172 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: things for us. And his versatility, his leaders ship, obviously, 173 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: his intelligence makes a big difference for us. And I 174 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: think it's great to have seen the year that Keenan 175 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: had last year. And what's even more impressive is how 176 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: he worked in the offseason and what kind of shape 177 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: he's in right now. He's looked really good throughout the 178 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: whole off season, So you know, it's exciting to see 179 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: a young man really just growing like he's growing and 180 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowl last year. I mean, it's 181 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: just a lot of great things about him. So he 182 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: has helped us tremendously. While we're on the tight end position, 183 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,559 Speaker 1: we talked about Virgil a little bit. He said something 184 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: interesting in his press conference yesterday about the position. He said, 185 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: other than quarterback, it's the toughest position to play on 186 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: the field. Now used to coach tight ends, you were 187 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: tight end yourself. In what ways is the tight end 188 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: position difficult that you can compare it to a quarterback? Well, 189 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: if you think about it, when you talk about a receiver. 190 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: They obviously know a lot about the pass game. They 191 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: know inside outside positions what they have to do pass game. 192 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: But usually when you talk about run blocking, for those guys, 193 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: it's just more who's got the force or who's got 194 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: the MDM. Yeah right, it's not talking about having to 195 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: work a double team with a tackle to get up 196 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: to an inside backer to playoff on. Some of those 197 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, full backs, half backs, they have a good deal, 198 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: a good idea with protection, but most of that's in 199 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: space when you're talking about blocking or recognizing how to 200 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: do things. But now when you talk about a tight end, 201 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: one play, he has to line up next to a tackle, 202 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: block a defensive end it's a three hundred pounder and 203 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: block him effectively as an offensive lineman. The very next 204 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: play he has to split out a couple of yards 205 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: and run around against the safety who's a very good athlete, 206 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: and beat him one on one. So you have to 207 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: have a great understanding of the pass game, the concepts, 208 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: not only the concepts, but even spots where you're going 209 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: to line up. But you also have to understand what 210 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: a douce block is. Your combination block with the tackle. 211 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: You know nobody else really has to understand that other 212 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: than the lineman. So you're taking, for lack of a 213 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: better term, two completely different worlds, and you're merging him 214 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: and you for a tight end. You have to be 215 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: proficient in both worlds or you don't play. So you know. That, 216 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: to me is why I can understand where Virgil's coming 217 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: from when he says that it is a position that 218 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: you have to know as much as the quarterback, or 219 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: not as much as the quarterback list. Yeah, nobody's gonna 220 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: know as much as as Philip does. But you're gonna 221 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: have to know a lot because we're gonna motion you. 222 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna move sometimes you're gonna be blocking like a fullback. 223 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're gonna be receiving like a wide receiver. You know, 224 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: you have to do so many different jobs and know 225 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: so many different types of things that you do that 226 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: you do have to be well versed. I know Virgil's 227 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: going to help in the running game this year, and 228 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: then offensive line wise, an upgraded center and Mike Pouncey 229 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: a pro bowler coming into the fold, or expect to 230 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: forest lamp back Dan Feeney with nine starts under his 231 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: belt last year, how would you assess the offensive line. 232 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: It's June. I know it's very difficult to see what 233 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: an offensive line is going to look like without pads, 234 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: But your early assessment of how these guys are gelling 235 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: early on, well, you know, I have a tremendous of 236 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: appreciation for what the group that we had here last 237 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: year did. Like you said, we were we were pretty 238 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: good in the league in passing, and we were efficient, 239 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: not as efficient as we want to be running football, 240 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: but you know, we did a lot of good things. 241 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: So I think if you start with that core group 242 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: and then with some of the additions that we made, 243 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: hopefully it'll make us better. But I think one of 244 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: the things that's really important is the chemistry and that 245 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: good that group. We've got some really good leadership from 246 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: our guys. You know, Dan Feeney now is in a 247 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: position where he's he's a starter, so you know, he's 248 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: he's more of a leader now than a rookie, which 249 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: he was last year. And Russell did such a great 250 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: job as a leader for us. Pouncey has some good 251 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: leadership qualities just because he's been a veteran player and 252 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: played really well in this league. And we've got a 253 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: group of guys that have been together and they understand 254 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: how to communicate. You know, they respect each other and 255 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: they work well together. So the group is a good group. Now, 256 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, the proof is in the pudding. We've got 257 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: to be able to play well together, and that's going 258 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: to be part of the training camp experience for us 259 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: is continuing to grow together as a group. But we're 260 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: way ahead of the game as to where we were, 261 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: not only from the standpoint of a chemistry like I 262 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: talked about, because these guys have worked together, but scheme wise, 263 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, understanding what we're trying to get solved in 264 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: the scheme and even more important, the protection schemes. We 265 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: were the least sacked team in the league last year, right. 266 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: A lot of it is because of Philip and his 267 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: ability to get rid of the ball, but a lot 268 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: of it is because we didn't have free runners, we 269 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: didn't have guys that were coming clean. Because our guys 270 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: were able to adapt to different calls, you know, try 271 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: to handle the pressures and that really helps, especially when 272 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: you have a weapon like fill up at quarterback. Year 273 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: two with coach Lynn m Melvin Gordon, the three of 274 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: you together, how much better can Melvin get in year 275 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: four in the NFL. He had a lot of really 276 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: really strong games last year. I pointed specifically like Week 277 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: seventeen against the Raiders, his versu attilia out of the backfield, 278 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: able to catch the football. What have you seen from 279 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: Melvin this offseason? Melvin has done a good job. He 280 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: came in, He's in good ape. He's I think he 281 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: understands more now what we're trying to get done. A 282 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: little bit different with attack, with the way we're running 283 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: the ball. But he continues to grow as a receiver 284 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: and he is he was lethal in some capacities last 285 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: year as a receiver coming out of the backfield and 286 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: it was very effective. So, you know, his overall versatility 287 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: really helps that. So I'm excited to see Melvin as 288 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: we continue to grow. You know, he is he is 289 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: an outstanding young player who continues to get better. And 290 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think being around some of the other 291 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: veterans in the way they work, you know, only helps 292 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: younger guys grow up and get that. You know, you 293 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: see him with Keenan Antonio Gates last year did such 294 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: a great job with some of these young guys as 295 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: far as mentoring them and bringing him along, and I 296 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: think it's created a little bit of a culture with 297 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: these guys of accepting the responsibility of how they work 298 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: and how they prepare and seeing them perform. And you're 299 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: seeing that out of Melbourne, which you know is exciting 300 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: because he's obviously a town mounted player, but you know 301 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: the way he's growing as a receiver, and like you said, 302 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: in the latter half of the season, it seemed like okay. 303 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: The run against New England where he went what ninety 304 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: almost ninety yards for a touchdown, you know, just shows 305 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: glimpses of if he continues on this track, how good 306 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: he can really that first win of the year against 307 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: the Giants, what he was able to do in New York, 308 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: And to your point, Coach, I see him paying it 309 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: forward with Justin Jackson and Austin Nickler and some of 310 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: these running backs after practice. Those guys are the last 311 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: players off the field in many respects. It shows me 312 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: that Melvin wants the best for this team and the 313 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: guys behind him. It's a great point. You know, I 314 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: was in Pittsburgh a number of years ago when Jerome 315 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: Bettis was at the back part of his career and 316 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: we had a guy named Willie Parker who turned out 317 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: to be a really really fast, Willie fast Willie, really 318 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: good back. And what was really neat to see, you know, 319 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: the culture in the chemistry of that group of men 320 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: was that they helped the young guys develop and they 321 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: worked together. And to see Rome working with Willie, who 322 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: eventually took his job over in the year that we 323 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. There, you know, it just goes 324 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: to show you the kind of selflessness that teams, really 325 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: good teams have, and that's what you're seeing with Melvin. 326 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not that you're threatened by 327 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: somebody else at your positioned. It's about how you're helping 328 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: these guys develop and continue to grow. And when you 329 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: have that type of attitude, when you have that type 330 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: of mentality, I think it shows you can become a 331 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: really good football team. We've got to talk about Philip. 332 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: You know, he's entering his fifteenth season, I believe as 333 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. How does I guess I don't know 334 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: if his time management it's the right word for it, 335 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: but to have a guy who's been there, done that, 336 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: versus developing a young guy who's a young starter in 337 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: year two or year three. How does that work for 338 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: you as an offensive coordinator, because yet you have the 339 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: confidence in Philip. I have to imagine it allows you, 340 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: it opens you up to do different things with the offense. Well, 341 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: it obviously makes things easier for you when you have 342 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: a guy like Philip because he does so many things, 343 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: and he can do so many things that mentally from 344 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: a standpoint of checking plays, understanding what the defense is doing, 345 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: getting us in the right situations, which is awesome for 346 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: our team. And he's done it consistently over a long 347 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: period of time, so you know, it's been really good. 348 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: But I think there's also the component of pushing each 349 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: other to get better, to come up with new ideas, 350 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: to try things that you like, and bouncing ideas off 351 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: each other, which is you know, there's a lot of 352 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: experience there that Philip's gone through and seeing a lot 353 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: of different things. So you know a lot of times 354 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: when you go through a week and you talk about ideas, 355 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: or you talk about plays that you like against an opponent, 356 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: or you talk about defensive schemes and how you try 357 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: to attack those things, you know, there's a lot of 358 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: good back and forth between all of us when we're 359 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: talking about those things. But it's great when you've got 360 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: a guy like Philip who can you know, it's what 361 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: he's really unbelievable with is he can remember plays from 362 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: the past. Oh, I remember against this team where we 363 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: had this look in the fourth quarter going this way. 364 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: You know, it worked good against this coverage. And you know, 365 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of those kind of things that come 366 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: up that are so great when you're talking about putting 367 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: plans together something else. And you know, speaking of the 368 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: quarterback position, Cardell's still here, Gino Smith, Nick Schumanek. A 369 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: guy actually talked to Cliff Kingsbury about Schumanek and he 370 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: said the one word that describes him as fearless, and 371 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: you know he sees a lot of Philip rivers in Nick. 372 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: What have you seen from those guys early on in 373 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: this offseason. It's been good. I think they've been in 374 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: here working hard in the off season, been very impressed. 375 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: You know, Cardell and Gino both are talented players that 376 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: have been in the league for a little while that 377 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: are really excited about the opportunity here and competing. And 378 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: there's a good group. There's a good chemistry in that 379 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: group in the room. And you know, it's been fun 380 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to after we finished the mini 381 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: camp to how it all progresses through camp. And you know, 382 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: Nick has done a great job. The unfortunate part for 383 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: Nick is we've got two young quarterbacks and Gino and 384 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: Cardell that are competing, so his reps haven't been as 385 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: many as maybe he would get in another situation. But 386 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: he's done a great job with it. Smart and fearless 387 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: is probably a good way to say it. Does. He 388 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: works his tail off to make sure he doesn't make 389 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: a mistake and he's always prepared, and that's a good quality. Obviously, 390 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: he has talent, so it'll be interesting to see, especially 391 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: in those preseason games, how how those guys play. I'm 392 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: excited to see how they do. Coach. The six weeks 393 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: before training camp, you're gonna have some time to recharge. 394 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Yeah, yeah, I have a 395 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: little bit of downtown, so you know, you get a 396 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: little bit of vacation, just still do some work because 397 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: there's such a lot going on at the first part 398 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: of camp, you know, as far as scripts for practice 399 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: and preparing how you're going to install things, all of that. 400 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: You still do a little bit of work on that, 401 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: but make no mistake, there'll be you got to there'll 402 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: be a good portion of downtime, but you know, the 403 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: excitement will build as we get close to it because 404 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: we're we're excited about this group. We got Father's Day weekend, 405 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: and I know you're you're a really good golfer. I've 406 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: heard from multiple people. I saw it firsthand at Riviera 407 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. We got the US Open 408 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: this weekend. Do you watch golf or are you more 409 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: I like to play, No, No, I enjoy watching. What 410 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: do you think this weekend? Is it Shinecocks at Schenkov 411 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: which is out out New York out on Long Island. 412 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: So um, I mean I've saw I watched the last 413 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: time they had it there, whereas many years ago. I'm 414 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: excited to see it, you know, I'm there's a lot 415 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: of discussions about Tiger and you know where he is 416 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: and Canny compete for it, so it'll be exciting. This 417 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: is gonna be a good one. It's gonna be good 418 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: to see. I think I saw a thing where they 419 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: said there's a lot of good young players. They're in 420 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: contention for this, you know, and can't some of the 421 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: older veterans compete with them and what it's gonna be like. 422 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: So it'll be it'll be a lot of fun watching it. Awesome. Well, coach, 423 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: I can't think you know for your time. I know 424 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: it's such a busy week for you. Get some rest 425 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: during this short period that we have and we'll see 426 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: if I get training camp. That's great. We really look 427 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: forward to it. Thanks. So the Los Angeles Chargers schedule 428 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: is out, and boy, it's nice to finally know how 429 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: we'll be spending our Sundays this fall. How many Charger 430 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: games did you make last year? Matt, I made twenty 431 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: four preseason games in sixteen regular season games last year. 432 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: Which are you circling for this season? This season, I'll 433 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: circle the Niners and Cardinals as they play the NFC West, 434 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: and let's not forget about those rivalry games. Pee. You 435 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: seriously don't want to miss this. Visit fight for LA 436 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: dot com or call eight seven seven Chargers to share 437 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: mats experience. Season tickets on sale now, h Charger fans, 438 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: This is Melvin Gordon, the official podcast that the team 439 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: is Charges Weekly all right here with Chargers cornerback Trevor 440 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: Williams on Chargers Weekly after the first day of mini camp, Trevor, 441 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: how you doing, man? Feeling good man, coming out here, 442 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: getting a lot of good work, competing so great, feeling spirited. 443 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: Day It seemed late. Yeah, man, the first day of 444 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: mini camp. You know, one step closer to the season, 445 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: and I know guys are excited to give back and 446 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: get gone. How valuable is this time before there's a 447 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: break before training camp to get that work in before 448 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: you guys take off for a few weeks. It's very important, 449 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, we get a chance to see how we 450 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: are at this point and gives us a lot of 451 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: momentum going us to training camp and we just feed 452 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: off of that and we get ready for the season. 453 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Is there a between you know, Phase three, this OTA 454 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: program in mini camps? Because if it just felt like 455 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: the intensity was ratcheted up a little bit more today, Yeah, 456 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean as the day is going on in time 457 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: progressive and like I said, when you get one step 458 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: closer to the season, guys get a look a little 459 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: bit more ass here and you know a little bit 460 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: more riled up because the season is it's coming and 461 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna be here before you know it. Absolutely. What 462 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: have you been working on specifically, I mean we'll get 463 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: into your last two years in the league, but just 464 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: just getting better as a pro. What have you focused 465 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: on this offseason? Just trying to improve my football IQ? Yeah, 466 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, watching guys like Casey Hayward and Adrian Phillips, 467 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: Jason Varett, you know, just trying to pick the brains 468 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: and you know, just just figure out how to be 469 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: a small player, you know, talent wise. You know, I 470 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: feel like I can run with the best of them, 471 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: but you know, I also want to be, you know, 472 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: a smarter player than I was before. Well, you look 473 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: at last season. You were called on early, you know 474 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: when when Jason went down after Week one. Take me 475 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: back to that moment when when Jason went down and 476 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: you realize that it was your show for the twenty 477 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: seventeen season. Yeah, I mean I always just trained, trained, 478 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: just to be prepared whatever any opportunity threw at me. 479 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that, you know, when my 480 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: opportunity comes, I take advantage of it. And it was 481 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: unfortunate that Jason went down. I'm glad he's back out 482 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: here getting reps. But yeah, man, there was a lot 483 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: of confidence for me though, going in, I always believed 484 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: in myself and my abilities. Then you go back to 485 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. You had those five starts in twenty fifteen 486 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: as well. How much did that prepare you for twenty 487 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: sixteen just just knowing that, hey, you came in as 488 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent, but you you had starting experience 489 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: in year one. I always felt like the more reps 490 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: that I got, the more better off I will be. 491 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: And and I just spoke that I will be playing 492 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: that following year. Yeah, I'm gonna get more reps and 493 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a lot better than I did my 494 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: rookie year. And it showed, well, you know, Trevor, you're 495 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: a rare case because you come into the league is 496 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. You're entering year three with twenty 497 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: starts under your belt, Like I could go back and 498 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: try to do them. I can't imagine there's a ton 499 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: of players that came into this league as an undrafted 500 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: free agent and had that many starts in two seasons. 501 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: Do you ever take some time to reflect on all 502 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: that hard work you put in and where you are 503 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: versus where you were two years ago. I'm thankful for 504 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: it every day. Yeah, before I stuffed foot out on practice. 505 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm grateful for it and I wouldn't want to be 506 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: anywhere else but here. And do I feel like I 507 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: should have got drafted up? Of course, of course that's 508 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: the competitive mmy. But that was the hand I was dealt, 509 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: and I just took advantage of the opportunity. Does that 510 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: fuel you or it's somebody who big time player in 511 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: the Big ten? Is that kind of besides the point? 512 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you put in the work at Penn State, 513 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: you knew what you had to do to make it 514 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: in the NFL. But being an undrafted free agent fuel 515 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: you in any way? Of course it did? Yeah. Yeah, 516 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: Like I said, I always felt like I was capable 517 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: and I was just as good as anybody else that 518 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: was in my draft class. And my mindset was all 519 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: I need is a shot. And when that opportunity came, 520 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: ain't I was? It wasn't all looking back? Yeah, Well, 521 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: Gus Bradley's defense to you, you're in year two of that. 522 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: I talked to Jalil and I asked him when it 523 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: clicked for him, When did it click for you? I 524 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: would say my second year, as you're running me, Casey 525 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: comes in the mix. He told me a little bit 526 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: about Trevor's development over the last couple of years. Man. Man, 527 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: it's been pretty good man, just to see him come 528 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: in as a rookie, um, and get an opportunity to 529 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: come in and start coming in as a rookie. You 530 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: try to, you know, take in as much as you can. 531 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: And I remember when I was a rookie, I had 532 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: some older guys you know, trying to teach me the 533 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: ropes and things like that. So that's what I tried 534 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: to do. And he's just soaked it in and each 535 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: year he's taking it. In the second year he even 536 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: was better than his first year. And um, we always 537 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: talked about it. It's a development type thing and his 538 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: work ethic is what's going to take him, you know, 539 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: to to the next level one. And I believe in him. 540 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: I know he believe in itself. So that's my dog. 541 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: That's it. You know, I ain't got nuther love. That's great. 542 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: That's high phrase, man, that's all pro I definitely look 543 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: up the casey. Yeah, I'm definitely following us supposed to 544 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: up Gust's system. How has that worked for you? When 545 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: did it really kind of start to click in your eyes. 546 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: I love coach Gust's system. He keeps it simple so 547 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: allows you to play fast and you don't have to overthink. Yeah, 548 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: you just play football. You know, at the end of 549 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: the day, it's a kid's game. And uh, that's a 550 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: lot of confidence with me. But I'll say maybe around 551 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: that ota, my second ota, I was starting to you know, 552 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: get get the rhythm of things and you know, get 553 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: my confidence up where it's supposed to be. I talked 554 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: to Julil about this as well, and this has been 555 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: a theme that's come up on the last two podcasts 556 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: because I talked to somebody from Pro Football Focus and 557 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: we're just talking about the depth at this secondary. In 558 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: this secondary rather the ability to go four deep. Have 559 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: you ever seen anything like that in the NFL? Man, Yeah, 560 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: I mean you guys could literally go four deep at cornerback, 561 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: which is a rarity in this league. I men, we 562 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: got a lot of talent, and like a lot of talent, 563 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: yeah whereas can't describe it, man, But we got a 564 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: lot of athletes. And then you got the addition with 565 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: darrowin like we're going to be, you know, force to 566 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: be reckoned with the season and I'm excited to see 567 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: everybody well, going up against guys like Keenan Allen and 568 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: Travis benj But I saw your pass break up and 569 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: I think it was seven on sevens, but you I 570 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: think you went up against like five different receivers. They 571 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: just talk about the wide receivers on this team, and 572 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, just the ability to to go up against 573 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: them on a day to day basis, especially with Mike 574 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: Williams back. I definitely believe in iron shopping and iron 575 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: as one man, sharping as another. And I look forward 576 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: to every day coming out here and competing with those 577 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: guys and you know, challenging myself and you know, just 578 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: being obsessed with getting better. And those are a lot 579 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: of good, good guys on the on the other side, 580 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: with Travis, Tarrell, Cannan, Mike, you know, I'm excited to 581 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: see those guys ball out this year and coming out 582 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: here and practice and going against him. It's definitely helping 583 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: me prove my game. What have you seen from Darwin 584 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: in the short time that he's been out here. Very instinctive, 585 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: great athlete, can get his hands on the ball, physical, 586 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: He's got the tools to be a great player in 587 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: this league. You know, it's hard to talk about momentum 588 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: and it carrying over from last season to this season 589 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: because there's so much time in between. But the winners 590 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: of nine of twelve, I thought the defense really started 591 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: humming in the back half, especially how do you keep 592 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: that going knowing that you know, twenty seventeen isn't the 593 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: same as twenty eighteen. It's a it's a whole new deal. 594 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: I just think we just all gotta, you know, stick 595 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: to the basics and remember what helped us get on 596 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: that road and get that rhythm going. Focusing on the 597 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: detail and hold each other accountable and just having that 598 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: that championship mindset because at the end of the day, 599 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: that's the goal that we want, and we just had 600 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: to take it one day at a time, one game 601 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: at a time, and come out on top. Yeah. You know, 602 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: I talked to Marcus Allen Penn State at the Senior Bowl, 603 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: and he talked about being you're running man secondary another 604 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: guy day Sean Hamilton you played with as well, Right, Yeah, 605 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: that was my roommate. Oh he's your rummate. Okay, so 606 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: so you'd be going up against him twice a year. Yeah, Denver, 607 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: I got a chance to send when they came out 608 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: here for the I think it was the Rookie Premier. 609 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking a little bit 610 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: of jump. Yeah. What were those conversations? Like we used 611 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: to go back and forth. I think I used to Uh. 612 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: I told him that remember that one spring practice you 613 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: didn't catch the ball on me? And then he went 614 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: back and said, remember that first time I burned you 615 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: was my first day back. Yeah, the injury and he 616 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: came back from so just allowed, you know, trash talk. 617 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: But I told him I definitely we got a jersey swap. Yeah, 618 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: got to he's a good player, man. He's he's a 619 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: great route runner, right yeah, man, strong hands can't run 620 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: any route in a route tree like. I'm excited to 621 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: see what he does this year. Yeah. Absolutely, last thing 622 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: for me, Trevor. After OTA's you gotta take some time 623 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: to chill, recharge you any plans, Oh, just train, spend 624 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: time with my family. Where do you do you do 625 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: you hang in La? Do you go back east? I 626 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: go back to my hometown in Baltimore, Okay? And uh 627 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: I also try in Thetlanta, Georgia so off flat between 628 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: those two states and two cities and you know, just 629 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed us off, Tom, get my body back rehab and 630 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: come back ready for training camp. Absolutely. Well, hey man, 631 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: we're pumped to see in that secondary each and every 632 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: day and can't get our twenty eighteen rather, can't get 633 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: here soon enough. So I really appreciate you, Tom Man, 634 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: no problem, not thanks. I please welcome Lindsay Jones of 635 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: USA Today to Chargers Weekly. After day two of Chargers 636 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: Mini Camp. Lindsay, welcome to southern California. Thanks for having me. 637 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: This is quite the facility and location you guys have 638 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: got here. You've been here for a couple days, right 639 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: your ramps. Yeah, so I did a little La swing. 640 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: I saw the Rams their first day of mini camp 641 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: and then Chargers on day two, and it was kind 642 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: of remarkable to different ways that these two teams and 643 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: run their mini camps, and you know, both with second 644 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: year head coaches. But the Rams were very heavy on 645 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: individual drills, they did very little teamwork. They did a 646 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of seven on sevens, and so it was it 647 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: was really fun to come and watch the Chargers practice 648 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: where they went right into like red zone drill. Oh yeah, 649 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: it's full teen eleven on eleven ones versus ones, like 650 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: very beginning of practice and it was pretty it was 651 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: pretty spirited. It was you know, the defense, especially this 652 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: secondary with some of the veterans in the of some 653 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: of the young guys them versus Philip was always fun 654 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: to watch and training camp. But it's already spilling into 655 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: mini camp this year. Yeah, for sure. I mean I 656 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: think we saw Derwin James is just popping there. He's 657 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: all over the field. They're putting him in a lot 658 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: of different positions, and you know, it wasn't at the 659 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: very beginning of practice, was at the very end of practice, 660 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: but he ended He ended the session by picking off 661 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers in the end zone in a two minute 662 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: drill and teammates went crazy. They tackled him in the 663 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: end zone. Lots of cheering, and yeah, it was a 664 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: very up tempo, not typically what you see in mid June. 665 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: So I think that's it's fun. There's kind of a 666 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: good feel, yes, around this team. What do you make 667 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: of the Chargers in twenty eighteen, lindsay being that, you know, 668 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: I want to spin around the ac West with you 669 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: a little because I know you really plugged into this division. 670 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: But the theme of this off season, I think has 671 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: been stability in terms of all right, year two, Gus 672 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: bry Legs back end wasn't Hunts back. Anthony Lynd has 673 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: a year under his belt as a head coach, the 674 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: quarterback is the same, and a lot of pieces on 675 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: both sides of the football of the same. Where a 676 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: surround the division there's been a lot of changes. Oh absolutely, 677 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean there's so much change the rest of the division. 678 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: Every other team has at least one, if not multiple 679 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: major changes. But whether it's quarterback, head coach, coordinators, all 680 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: sorts of those things. So yeah, I mean, I think 681 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: there was that moment in January where you thought maybe 682 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: Gus Bradley was gonna get stolen away, whether it was 683 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,239 Speaker 1: going back to Seattle or whatever the case might have been. 684 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: So the fact that Anthony Lynn was able to keep 685 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: his staff together and especially keep Gus Bradley because of 686 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: what he looks like, he's going to be able to 687 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: build on defense here, especially once you added a couple 688 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: more pieces, getting Jason Burrette healthy, adding Derwin James in 689 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: the draft. You just see that. You saw this was 690 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: the defense last year that was getting better as the 691 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: year went on. Obviously very good in scoring defense had 692 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: some other issues that they could clean up, but you 693 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: just see so much potential out of this defense, and 694 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: then you kind of know what the office is going 695 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: to be here kind of on a year to year 696 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: basis because of Philip and the consistency that he's brought 697 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: for what fifteen almost fifteen years now exactly. So you know, 698 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: I just I think there's a lot of reasons to 699 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: be excited about the charters. You know, there's a lot 700 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: of people like me out there that are you know, 701 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: we're going to keep talking them up as this offseason 702 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: goes on, and especially as we get into August and September. 703 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, um, the charge is going to 704 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: be a very sexy pick to win this division, maybe 705 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: make a playoff run, just based on the pieces that 706 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: are in place, and so yeah, it'll be curious to 707 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: see how they handle those expectations, if they let that 708 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: get into the building at all, and if they can 709 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: start fast. Yes, as opposed, there was a lot of 710 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: this these type of exits. The importance because I mean, 711 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: owe four this past year, you dig yourself in such 712 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: a whole early, winning nine of twelve to close the 713 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: year before the first five are in Los Angeles. There's 714 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: a road game against the Rams in Week three, so 715 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: it's very home friendly to start the year. So it's 716 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: imperative that these guys get off to a fast start 717 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: if they're going to keep up in the AFCU West. 718 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: And I want to go around the division. You're from Denver, right, 719 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: You're you're I'm based in Denver, so you're plugged into 720 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: the Broncos. They've had a lot of changes the coach. 721 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: The head coach remains the same, but I think eight 722 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: new coaches under Vance Joseph. You look at the defense 723 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: and keep to leave is now in LA with the Rams, 724 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: so many new rookies at skill positions. When you talk 725 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: about Royce Freeman and Hamilton and Courtland Sutton, what do 726 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: you make of this? And then I didn't even mention, 727 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: by the way, a new quarter new quarterback the biggest 728 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: position then on the field. Yes, a new quarterback. So yeah, 729 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: the Broncos have undergone a lot of changes, and it 730 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: was a little dicey whether Vans Joseph was going to 731 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: be back or not. There were times in December where 732 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: you know Elway was expressing confidence in him. But then 733 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: just the way that they basically the opposite of the 734 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: season that the Chargers had started really well and then 735 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: collapse and an eight game losing streak there at one 736 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: point revolving Dorit quarterback. They didn't handle adversity well. They 737 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: just had a lot a lot of issues that went 738 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: on and Yeah, so Vance had to make a lot 739 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: of tough decisions this year. I mean, he kept his 740 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, but he changed his wide receiver coach, changed 741 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: the running backs coach, changed up the way that they 742 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: coach their offensive line. They've split up, you know, an 743 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: outside linebackers coach and inside linebackers. Interesting. They actually just 744 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: officially today brought back to Marcus Ware as a past 745 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,479 Speaker 1: rush consultants. He's not technically going to be a coach, 746 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: but he'll be coming in a couple times a month, 747 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: and they made it a formal thing because the Cowboys 748 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: were also wanting him to do that. And I was 749 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: actually at Cowboys OTA's last week when de Marcus was there, 750 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: and I saw him at Broncos the week before, So 751 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: he's kind he was being courted. Yeah, and he doesn't 752 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: want to coach full time yet He's he's enjoying retirement 753 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: and being able to spend time with his kids. Now 754 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: he's got his I think his son is seven years 755 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: old and his daughter, I think it's nine, and you know, 756 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: very into sports and all that stuff, and he's not 757 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: ready to do the full coaching lifestyle. You know. I 758 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: freelance at NFL networked this past year and saw him 759 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: pop into NFL Network every once in a while too, 760 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: doing some names of kids. I think I would expect 761 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: that he's going to continue doing some of that stuff 762 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: as well. But so yeah, they've they've done a lot 763 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: of stuff to their coaching staff to try to teach better, 764 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: put a better system in place. UM. Bill Musgrave was 765 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: the interim offensive coordinator last year after Mike McCoy. Chargers 766 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: fans very familiar now in Arizona. Yeah, it just it 767 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: didn't work with him coming back to Denver last year. 768 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: It just was not It just was not the right fit. 769 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: I think all around UM that the scheme didn't. There 770 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: was just a lot of issues that went on with that, 771 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: and um, the quarterbacks are having a lot of turnover issues, 772 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: and I think Mike ended up kind of being the 773 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: sacrificial lamb of we have to make a move here. 774 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: Mid season, they had Bill Musgrave, who was a very 775 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: experienced offensive coordinator and play caller there. Um, so they 776 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: fired Mike midseason, and I'm glad for Mike. He's he's 777 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: a really good, really good guy, good coach. I'm glad 778 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: he's landed an Arizona and I think it'll be an 779 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: interesting spot for him now with yeah, with Josh Rosen 780 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, so a lot of David Johnson, assuming he 781 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: comes back to camp at some point. Yeah. But yeah, 782 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: so Denver's got undergone a lot of changes. They're very 783 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: excited about about Case Keenum. Well, I want to talk 784 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: about Case because it's it's an interesting case. You know, 785 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: no pun attended because Paxson Lynch was drafted two years ago, 786 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: first round draft pick. Case Keenum is very familiar with 787 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: Gary Kubiak and Advance Joseph. They were both in Houston together, 788 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: so they saw Case early in his NFL career. He's 789 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: had some ups and downs. But if they get the 790 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: Case Keenum from last year in Minnesota, which I'm sure 791 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: they're expecting, they must be confident in what they have 792 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: under center. Yeah, and that's I mean, that's the big gamble, 793 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: and that's why Minnesota chose not to resign Case Keenum 794 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: was then men pursue court cousins. But that's the big 795 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: question with Case keenom is was last year in aberation 796 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: or was it just the start something is now can 797 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: he continue to build on that last season? And the 798 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: Broncos are gambling and taking the risk that he will 799 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: be better and he will be that guy that we 800 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: saw for fourteen games and into the postseason or at 801 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: least into the Visional Round. I don't think they're hoping 802 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: to see the guy that not. And I talked to 803 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: Case about a week and a half ago for a 804 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: little while for a story that I'm writing the summer, 805 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: and yeah, kind of about what he took away from 806 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: that NFC Championship game. And he had to pick six 807 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: early in that game, and he had been so safe 808 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: with the ball through outmost of last year. He wasn't 809 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: turning it over a lot, he wasn't taking a lot 810 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: of chances, and he knew that he put himself and 811 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: the team into a bad spot. So he threw that 812 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: pick six, and then later in the game where it 813 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: had already kind of gotten away from them, but then 814 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: he threw an interception in the red zone. And those 815 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: are just the type of mistakes that kill quarterbacks, that 816 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: kill teams, and it plagued him early in his career. 817 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: It did. Yeah, And I mean he played on some 818 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: bad teams. You know. I think the time that he 819 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: was in with the Rams, I think they were very 820 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: limited offensively in the Jeff Jeff Fisher's entire team is 821 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: I mean, his teams have long been kind of limited offensively. 822 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: So this is very a very curious situation and very 823 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: intriguing for the Broncos and Case Keen because this is 824 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: the first time that he's ever had an offense that's 825 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: actually designed for him. It's the first time that he's 826 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: ever been the unquestioned started quarterback at any point in 827 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: his career, even a couple of years ago with the Rams, 828 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: where Jeff Fisher said, you know, he's our starting quarterback. 829 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: You Jared Goffing right behind it. You know, it was 830 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: a very clear message from the Broncos this offseason that 831 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: said Case is our guy. I mean, they only give 832 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: him a two year deal. It's not like they even 833 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: four year deal, but he's our guy. They didn't go 834 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: out and draft anybody else. They have made it very 835 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: clear that it is an open competition for the backup 836 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: quarterback spot that he's getting a case Keendom's going to 837 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: get all the number one reps letting him be the leader. 838 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: And they didn't have that in the last two years. 839 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: They haven't had that guy on offense. Something to be 840 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: said for that. I think from just a team rale 841 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: perspective that you know that you gets your number one 842 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: in place. Yeah, And I mean the their other highest 843 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: paid guy on offense is Demarius Thomas, who's the longest 844 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: tenured player on the entire roster. But that's not his personality. 845 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like Keenan Allen here where 846 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: he's not the loud, raw kind of guy. I mean, 847 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: he might be your best player or your best skill 848 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: position lead in different ways to it. Yeah, he's not 849 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: the guy who's going to be holding necessarily holding everybody accountable, 850 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: or you know, being loud and getting guys to follow necessary. 851 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: That's just not that's just not Demarius his personality. And 852 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Bronchos were very lucky to have that 853 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning. The Chargers have been lucky to have 854 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: that for a very long time with Philip Rivers and 855 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: it was very noticeable the leadership they void after Peyton 856 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: Manning and DeMarcus Ware retired, and so they're hoping to 857 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: have now that on offense in case Keenum and still 858 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: figuring out exactly who that's going to be. On defense, 859 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: they wanted to be Von Miller. It's it's also not 860 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: entirely his personality to be the He's the fun guy, 861 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: he's not necessarily the accountability guy. They're kind of hoping 862 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: he can be both well. To leave, I don't I 863 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: don't know how you characterize him, but the last he 864 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: was there for four years obviously decorated that secondary has 865 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: long been decorated the no fly zone. But now you 866 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: bring Bradley Chubb into the mix as well. He and 867 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: Miller could form a pass rushing to do very similar 868 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: to what we have here in LA. Yeah, for sure, 869 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: And I think there's going to be some of the 870 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: very best pass rushers in the NFL, or the best duos. 871 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: They all reside in the West here in the AFC West, 872 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: and the Charges for a while are the Chiefs. For 873 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: a while, looked like they were going to have one 874 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: of those two, but it hasn't quite transpired that way. 875 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: With Justin Houston, finding that other guy who's going to 876 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: be consistent on the other side of him and Sam 877 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: in Oakland with they've got Khalil Mack, But who's going 878 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: to be the other the other piece. Brew Servant hasn't 879 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: quite quite fit that role yet. But Yeah, and I 880 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: think the thing that I've been curious to see what's 881 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: going to happen to the Broncos defense, because there are 882 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: still some very good pieces there. Von Miller, top five 883 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: player in the NFL regardless of position. Chris Harris Junior, 884 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: one of the best cornerbacks, probably the best slot cornerback 885 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: in the NFL. He keeps talking about how he wants 886 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: to play outside because he would get more credit. You 887 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: know that that's where you get noticed as when he 888 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: play outside. But he knows that he's best when he 889 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: plays because he'll play both. He'll in Basse, he'll be 890 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 1: outside and then I'll move inside and Nickel. So they've 891 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: got some very good pieces. And the Roby comes in, yeah, 892 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 1: and just slides into to leap spot. Yeah. And Roby's 893 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: a good corner I mean you can't he's not Tlib's level. 894 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: I mean Talib is He's an All Pro for a reason. 895 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: So the thing though that we started to notice last 896 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: year and then I think you'd certainly notice this year 897 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: is that without to leab is that when you look 898 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: back to the twenty fifteen Bronchos defense, they had a 899 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: very defined attitude. They were very nasty. And actually I 900 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: was when I was up at up the Rams earlier 901 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: this week talking to Leave about this because they just 902 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: added to Leave Marcus Peters and Domackinsue. These are three 903 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: guys that they play across the line a lot of times. 904 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: You know, they don't just go up to it all 905 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: the time, they go across it. And Tlib said, shoot, 906 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: look our twenty fifteen defense, we probably averaged two personal 907 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: fouls a game. And I was like that. Malik Jackson 908 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: had two personal fouls a game himself. You know, I 909 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: looked back to Leave. It led the team penalty twelve 910 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: penalties that year. I remember that year they had a 911 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of fifteen yarders. Oh yeah, and 912 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: it was at times where I think Wade Philips was 913 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: probably pulling his hair out. But you knew who they were. 914 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: You knew they were going to be aggressive, nasty, they 915 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: were gonna hit you after the whistle. They were gonna 916 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: talk trash and say that they were gonna, you know, 917 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: believe I can't remember if it was Derek wool for 918 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: Malie Jackson one of them, you know, and talk about 919 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: the probably pretty nasty things they did a quarterback after 920 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: the play, things that we'll not mentioned on a family 921 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: friendly podcast. Yeah, not Chargers Weekly. Yeah, we don't talk 922 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: like that, Lindsay. But yeah, I mean they were very 923 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: it was very you knew who they were, and they 924 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: started losing that bite when Molie Jackson went to Jacksonville 925 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: when they cut TJ Warred. I mean, these were that 926 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: was an interesting that the way that that happened, Lindsay. 927 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: In the proximity of that cut to Week one, I 928 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: said this to a few people. It just it reminded 929 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: me a little bit of remember when Laurie Malloy got 930 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: cut by the Patriots and went to the Bills like 931 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: then next day and then they played them in you know, 932 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: Week one, and it was just a it was a 933 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: blowout and Patriots end up being fine. But it's just 934 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: like having a fiery leader like that leave after they've 935 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,439 Speaker 1: helped you win a super Bowl and they've been such 936 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: a big part of what they did in that secondary. 937 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: It just kind of I saw some parallels here. Yeah, 938 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was the right football move 939 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: to make. TJ had been hurt, he was making a 940 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: lot of money. So you could look at it if 941 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: you take the emotions out of it, and he say, Okay, 942 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: he's not the same guy that he was two years ago. 943 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: He had been he had hamstring injuries. He basically didn't 944 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: play all of the preseason. But that reverberated a lot 945 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: it to Leeb hated the move. Chris Harris hated the move. 946 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: And it wasn't that they didn't like the young guys 947 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: that they drafted and that they didn't like Justin Simmons. 948 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: He was the guy who ended up replacing him. But 949 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: and Justin Simmons, I think is going to be a 950 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: very good player, is gonna have a nice career. But 951 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: he's not. He's so different than TJ. Ward. He's he 952 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have the TJ Ward attitude and so so you 953 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: could see that the Broncos defense was missing that. I 954 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: think Bradley Chubb might bring some of that back. I mean, 955 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, if you remember 956 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb's tape from NC state was not just that 957 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: he was a really good pass rusher, because he's a 958 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: really really good pass rusher, but he talks a lot 959 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: of trash. He would you know, he likes to swipe 960 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: the towels off of quarterbacks and he likes to needle him. 961 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: So Bradley Chub versus Philip Rivers. Yea, that'll be fun, 962 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: NC stayed, NC stayed, Yeah, it's gonna be yuh. Yeah, 963 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: I'll watch that. We have we have his his teammate 964 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: Justin Jones here on the defensive line as well, who 965 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: the Charger draft in the third round chubs Uh. I 966 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 1: think all four guys from that defensive line were drafted. Yeah, 967 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: they had a really good line at the wolf Peg. 968 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, the Broncos are interesting, Lindsay, and I know 969 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: you were also recently in Kansas City, Chief there are 970 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: another interesting team. I think the biggest move there obviously 971 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: Alex Smith out of the division. Huge Mahomes, huge move. 972 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: You know we were talking about Alex Smith is a 973 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: MVP candidate at one point during the year last year. Yeah, 974 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: a lot of time of the year, at least half 975 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,240 Speaker 1: of the year. So the thing about Mahomes, he's universally 976 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: praises seems like in terms of his potential. They also 977 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: bring in Sammy Watkins to add that trio that he 978 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: already had in kelsey career. Hunt in the backfield Tyreek Hill. 979 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: It looks like a very explosive offense. Again, a lot 980 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: of changes on defense too. What did you see out 981 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: of the Chiefs. Yeah, you're exactly right about the potential 982 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: of this offense. Um. And it's hard not to look 983 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: at Patrick Mahomes and get excited because he just physically 984 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: he's very impressive. And I remember that Week seventeen game. 985 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: It was in Denver, So I went to that game 986 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: Week seventeen and he made five or six plays where 987 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: you just go, oh wow, like that's that's special. You 988 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: can't add a few more plays of the playbook for 989 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: for coach Ree? Yeah, for sure. Um. And you know, 990 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: and I think the thing is is his ceiling is 991 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: really really high, but for any young quarterback, the floor 992 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: is probably significantly lower than what Alex Smith. You knew 993 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: exactly what Alex Smith is going to give you. Yeah, 994 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: And I've always been probably a bigger Alex Smith fan 995 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: than a lot of a lot of people. Maybe it's 996 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: just because i've watched him a lot being you know, 997 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: well when he was playing in Sandronsis one day in 998 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: Kansas City one. Yeah, I mean they they went to 999 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs multiple times. UM, one back to back AFC 1000 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,720 Speaker 1: West titles with Alex Smith. Um. He was a great 1001 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 1: leader in the locker room, great in the community. UM, 1002 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: didn't lose you games, and he did win them some 1003 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: games as well. I mean, I think he won them 1004 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: a lot of games. That's probably probably underselling, but that's 1005 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: a huge I mean that's a that's a huge, huge change. 1006 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: It's a big gamble that you're taking letting a guy 1007 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: like that leave. But it's understandable given what they did 1008 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: and what they invested to get mahomes. But the thing is, 1009 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: all right, defensively, you lose Marcus Peters, there's there's there's 1010 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: been a lot of losses, right, we talked about Tom Boley, 1011 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: a lot of vets gone, Eric Barry comes back, Derek 1012 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: Johnson is going in now in Oakland. UM, this defense 1013 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: has some question marks. Yeah, I think that's that's going 1014 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: to be the thing with this team. Are they going 1015 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: to score that? I mean, they have the potential to 1016 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: be one of the highest scoring offenses in the NFL. Yeah, 1017 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: they're going to be really fun to watch from week 1018 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: to week because, like you said, they had I mean 1019 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: last year they were one of the I can't remember 1020 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 1: the stating off the top of my head, but they 1021 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: had a two thousand yard receivers and Travis Kelsey and 1022 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and in the NFL's leading rusher in Cream Hunt. 1023 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: So to have three skill position guys over a thousand yards, 1024 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 1: that's very very rare that happens, especially at three different positions. 1025 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: Now adding in Sammy Watkins, who could potentially be an 1026 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 1: actual kind of like true number one receiver, I don't 1027 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: think they're going to force him into that role. And 1028 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: I wrote about Sammy last week because Travis Kelsey is 1029 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: going to be a seventy eighty catch a year type 1030 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: of tight end. Tyreek Hill probably be in that same 1031 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: sort of range. But adding Sammy Watkins is going to 1032 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: really help that receiving corps. They didn't have depth at 1033 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: that position last year at all. You know, Tyreek Hill 1034 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: is a smaller, really fast. I was impressed with how 1035 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 1: well he actually held up being a full time wide 1036 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: receiver last year. I had questions about just how he 1037 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 1: would hold up to that type of physical game, especially 1038 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: with as much of a bigger role as he has. Yeah, 1039 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: I meaning is such a big role special teams for 1040 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 1: them as well. So you know, I think their offense 1041 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: could be fantastic. You just have to wonder, though, what 1042 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: exactly is the learning curve. I mean, what we've seen 1043 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: out of Mahomes is so small. But I think there's 1044 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 1: probably going to be half a dozen times every game 1045 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: that he plays where he's going to show off the 1046 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: big arm, He's going to show how accurate he can 1047 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,359 Speaker 1: be on the move. But there's going to be three 1048 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: or four times a game where you're just going to go, oh, yeah, 1049 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: he's he's a rookie, may give it to the other turkey. Yeah. 1050 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: And you just if you're if you're the Chiefs, you 1051 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: just have to hope that, yeah, that that that ball 1052 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: that gets away from him goes out of bounds or 1053 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, he's not throwing it up to Jason Brett 1054 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 1: or you know, well that's the Week one matchup too. 1055 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they come the Chiefs come to Los Angeles, 1056 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: and you know it's not easy your second careers start 1057 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: to go up against a defense with men and that secondary. 1058 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's going to be quite the challenge for him. 1059 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: But at the same time, the Chiefs have been a 1060 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: thorn in the Charger side for the past few years, 1061 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: so they have to prove it this upcoming season. For sure. 1062 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,839 Speaker 1: I think we didn't wedn't touch too much on their defense. 1063 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: I was just going to please. So I think they're 1064 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: going to score a lot of points. They might give 1065 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: up a lot of points as well, and they've made 1066 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: some changes that they hope will improve their run defense. 1067 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: Eric Barry coming back will be very important, But you know, 1068 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: he's coming back off an achilles. You just never you know, 1069 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 1: never know. He's He's obviously come back from something much 1070 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: more difficult than a torn achilles, So you know, I 1071 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: will never question his mental fortitude and his ability to 1072 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: come back in the tripe of impact that he can 1073 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: make on that team. But yeah, it's a lot of 1074 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 1: change at cornerback. Kendall Fuller's really really good player. I 1075 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: don't think he's as good as Marcus Peters. You know, 1076 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,359 Speaker 1: maybe they'll hope that he can be a little more 1077 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: consistent than Marcus Peters. I think he was great than 1078 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,919 Speaker 1: Nickel for the Redskins last Yeah, and Peters really brought 1079 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: you this. You know, he's just he's always around the 1080 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,439 Speaker 1: ball and Chargers remember that that game in Kansas City 1081 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: that was in December, right where Marcus Peters just went 1082 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: nuts and I think seven of the Chargers fifteen turnovers 1083 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,399 Speaker 1: Lindsay came against the Chiefs last year, so almost almost fifty. 1084 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, and Marcus Peters he had a big part 1085 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: in both of that in both those games. So you know, 1086 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: he's a guy who he will pick the ball off 1087 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,319 Speaker 1: a lot, but he also can he can get beat 1088 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: and he takes a lot of chances, which means he's 1089 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: gonna get those interceptions, but there's also the chance that 1090 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: you can you can go over the top of him. Yeah. Um, 1091 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 1: So maybe they're hoping that Kendall Fuller will be a 1092 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: little less boom or bust. But big questions who's gonna 1093 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: be their other corners, um safety opposite of who's going 1094 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,760 Speaker 1: to be the safety opposite of Eric Berry. They've replaced 1095 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: Derek Johnson with Reggie Reggie Ragland who was there last year. 1096 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: They traded for him from Buffalo, former Alabama guy. They 1097 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: really like him. Um, But Derek Johnson was the voice 1098 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: in the charter in the Chiefs the defensive huddle for 1099 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: twelve years. Um. Yeah, I remember that game in December 1100 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: against the Chargers where we actually saw Antonio Gate score 1101 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: touchdown against Derrick Johnson, and I just thought, like, how 1102 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: many times have these two guys gone against? Yeah, it 1103 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: felt like it was happening in slow motion though, you know, 1104 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: just neither guy could run like he used to, and 1105 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: you kind of thought, Okay, this is probably the end 1106 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: for both of these guys in this role. But Derek 1107 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: Johnson now is landed and Oakland we'll see how that works. 1108 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,320 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's hard to pick the Chiefs 1109 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: to repeat as AFCUS champions preseason just because I think 1110 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: the offense could be fantastic. You just don't. But it's 1111 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: a lot and I think they have a lot of 1112 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: work to do on defense. Speaking in certainty, and I 1113 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: know we only a few minutes. I get your hat 1114 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: here on this. The Oakland Raiders. You said you haven't 1115 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: had a chance to go up there yet, but just 1116 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: based on what you've seen, John Gruden's back, some older 1117 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,240 Speaker 1: players added to the offense, and Jordy Nelson, Doug Barton. Obviously, 1118 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: Gruden's going to be tasked with just elevating the play 1119 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: of Derek Carr. This is the ultimate wild card team. 1120 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: Everybody have talked to. Lindsay says, I don't know what 1121 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 1: to expect. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I 1122 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: think if this was like twenty twelve for the rest 1123 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: of the roster, all the guys that they brought in, 1124 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 1: you'd be like, all right, all right, this is an 1125 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: awesome rock the muscle hamster from Tampa. Yeah. Yeah, you know, 1126 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: Derek Johnson at his prime before the Achilles injuries and 1127 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: before he turned to thirty five or thirty six. Yeah, 1128 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, you just don't know. I mean, the reason 1129 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: that if you're a Raiders fan to be optimistic right 1130 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,879 Speaker 1: now is the same reason that you've been excited about 1131 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 1: them for the last three or four years. And it's 1132 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: not necessarily John Gruden. It's Derek Carr, it's a Mauri Cooper, 1133 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: it's Khalil Mack. It's that young core that they drafted 1134 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,280 Speaker 1: and are now going. You know, they've already resigned Derek 1135 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: Carr to his extension. Khalil Mack is holding out right 1136 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 1: now during mini camp. They gotta get his deal done 1137 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 1: and he's going to get one of those hundred million 1138 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,400 Speaker 1: dollars to him. Like guys like him and Aaron Donald, 1139 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 1: they're just kind of waiting each other out, it seems 1140 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,440 Speaker 1: like too. Yeah, yeah, it's it'll be interesting to see 1141 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: which of those kind of goes first. And even though 1142 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 1: they play a little bit of different positions. But yeah, 1143 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and those are both guys that deserve to 1144 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: be paid that oh, no doubt of money. But yeah, 1145 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,359 Speaker 1: I think they both want to be the highest paid 1146 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: defensive player in the NFL. And who's only one of 1147 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,239 Speaker 1: them can be? So? But you know, so I think 1148 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: there's some very positive things that are still happening in Oakland. 1149 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: You know that they took on not just that they 1150 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: took on some older players, um, they also you know 1151 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,759 Speaker 1: or guys that had question marks. You know, Doug Martin 1152 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: coming off of he was suspended last year in Tampa. 1153 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,320 Speaker 1: Is he going to be the same guy that we 1154 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: saw several years ago. It's always risky to take in 1155 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: a and he's not even he's not even an old guy, right, 1156 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 1: he's by running back standards, I guess you would say that, 1157 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,279 Speaker 1: but he's not. He's probably in his late twenties, right, Yeah, Yeah, 1158 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 1: he's got to be what year was he in the 1159 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 1: draft And I can't remember. I don't have my stuff 1160 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,479 Speaker 1: inn at the end of the first from Boise State 1161 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 1: right or in early too. So he's sounds like a 1162 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 1: super old guy. He's old by running backstandard, getting older 1163 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: by running back standards. Um, you know, but they also 1164 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,720 Speaker 1: took on guys that were risks, and you know, trading 1165 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,400 Speaker 1: for Martavis Bryant, like if Martin were bust. Yeah, I mean, 1166 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: if Martavis Bryant can be the guy that he was 1167 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: three years ago for Pittsburgh when he was like such 1168 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,720 Speaker 1: a nice complimentary piece st Antonio Brown, He's so fast, 1169 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: but he missed what a higher He was suspended for 1170 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: an entire season. He says he's been clean now, he's 1171 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: passing his drug test all that stuff. But you just 1172 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,280 Speaker 1: you never know, Like I want to see a longer 1173 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 1: period of time where you know he's and he had 1174 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: some locker room issues then coming back to Pittsburgh and 1175 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: him and Ben Roethlisberger were calling each other out from 1176 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 1: time to time. What if this is the fresh start 1177 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: that he needed? Yeah, I mean, and I hope for 1178 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: his sake, I hope it. I hope I hope it is. 1179 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: You know, I hope that this works for him, and um, 1180 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: he can have a long and healthy career and he 1181 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: can be sober and provide a great life for his family. Um, 1182 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: but we'll see, you know, you just you just never 1183 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: know for sure. Um gosh, now I'm trying to think. 1184 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: Who the Oh there was another big character risk that 1185 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 1: they took in the draft, and it's well they remember 1186 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: they took Maurice Hurt, who's not a he's not a 1187 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,640 Speaker 1: character rist, but she had the hard issue. He was 1188 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,720 Speaker 1: off of the boards, but from a lot of teams 1189 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 1: because they said worked. It was it was the third day. Yeah, 1190 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: of course, Now I wish I had he's getting out 1191 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,400 Speaker 1: here at the gorgeous outside. I don't have them all 1192 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: my research in front of me. But yes, but yeah, 1193 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: I mean they took they were taking risks on a 1194 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: lot of guys in terms of you know, whether it 1195 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: was health or character or Colton Miller their first round 1196 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,359 Speaker 1: draft pick. They took him probably higher than a lot 1197 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,759 Speaker 1: of a lot of guys. Maybe thought that maybe he 1198 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: would go. You know, it makes sense to take your 1199 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,880 Speaker 1: future left tackle. Donald penn is very near the end 1200 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,319 Speaker 1: of his career. You can get him in play right 1201 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 1: tackle this year and with the hopes that he'll be 1202 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,200 Speaker 1: the successor. But it was where you took him. Is 1203 00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,560 Speaker 1: that the right spot or not? So? Yeah, I mean 1204 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,839 Speaker 1: they've just they've made a lot of really questionable moves. 1205 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: You have to wonder what's going on inside the building now. 1206 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 1: Is there a power struggle going on between John Gruden 1207 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,880 Speaker 1: and Reggie McKenzie? How long? So is there going to 1208 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 1: be another shake of after this offseason? You know, it's 1209 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: very clear that John Gruden has exerted a lot of 1210 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: power and I'm sure, I'm sure that was part of 1211 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 1: why he would come back. I don't think he would 1212 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,759 Speaker 1: come back without without that sort of power and the 1213 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 1: type of money that they're giving him. But yeah, so 1214 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 1: there's just it's gonna be fun to watch Oakland for sure. 1215 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's taking them in the 1216 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 1: right direction. Yeah, well it's gonna be fun. And Jarald, 1217 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 1: I think just to watch the AFC West. I mean, 1218 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 1: just Lizzie, honestly, this has been awesome insight into the Broncos, 1219 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 1: into the Chiefs and too the Raiders. Where can people 1220 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 1: find your work at USA today and find you on Twitter? 1221 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,120 Speaker 1: Every Yeah, so you can find me on Twitter. I'm 1222 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,400 Speaker 1: at by Lindsay H Jones. That's Lindsay with an A, 1223 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,440 Speaker 1: so by Lindsay H. Jones, just like my Byeline Reads. 1224 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: And then all our stuffs online at USA Today dot 1225 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: com and uh we'll pick up a newspaper. We still 1226 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 1: make those as well. Absolutely, you know, if you're staying 1227 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,719 Speaker 1: at the hotel or at the airport Starbucks, are you 1228 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,160 Speaker 1: coming out to training camp? Hopefully we'll see. I mean, 1229 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 1: we still have to plan out exactly who gets to 1230 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: go where. We all kind of fight over who gets 1231 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: the West Coast training camp swing. I've seen Jared out 1232 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,240 Speaker 1: here yeast couple of times. Yeah, Jared Bell, our NFL columnist. 1233 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: He's the most seniority on our staff, so he's the best. 1234 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: He's a friend of the podcast too. He's the best. 1235 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 1: If he wants to come to California first, he gets 1236 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,320 Speaker 1: to come. So hopefully I will be out here. And 1237 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 1: the better the chargers are and the better the rounds are, 1238 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: probably the more Lah I'll be making. So awesome, Lindsay, 1239 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,879 Speaker 1: thank you so much, and that'll do it. My thanks 1240 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: to Lindsay, Trevor Williams, and Ken wizzen Hunt for joining 1241 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,840 Speaker 1: me and of course thanks to you all for listening. 1242 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: You can find us on Apple Podcasts and while you're there, 1243 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: please leave a review, help spread the word. We'll leave 1244 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 1: you with some Father's Day shout outs to the Chargers. 1245 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: Dad's out there, and I'll kick it off by wishing 1246 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 1: Greg Harry a very happy Father's Day. You're the best dad. 1247 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: It's this case a hey. I want to give us 1248 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,560 Speaker 1: shout out to my pause. Happy father Day, case a hey, 1249 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 1: we see. I love you man, wish you many more. 1250 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,160 Speaker 1: God bless it's a Dylan cantroll here. I just want 1251 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to my dad. Um. Father's 1252 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 1: Day is coming up this weekend, and UM love you. 1253 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: Just thank you for everything that you do for our 1254 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 1: family and the man that you are and the how 1255 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 1: you raised me and Jordan Cameron and you're you're my 1256 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,960 Speaker 1: biggest hero and uh just I try to emulate everything. 1257 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,520 Speaker 1: You're the hardest working guy I know. Um, and just 1258 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 1: thank you for everything, uh just the loving Christian man 1259 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 1: that you are. Happy father Day to my pops Freddie 1260 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 1: and die. Happy Father's Day to my brother Jamala die, 1261 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day to me Jililla die, and happy father 1262 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 1: Days to all the fathers out there that's handling their business, 1263 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: taking care of their family, and being a man at 1264 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,439 Speaker 1: their household. Shout out to all the fathers on the team, 1265 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,320 Speaker 1: especially myself, Happy Father's Day, Denzel Perman and everybody else 1266 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 1: out here on the team. This Dustin Jackson, want to 1267 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: give a shout out to my pops, Papa Jay, the 1268 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 1: mayor as everyone knows him, Mayor cal Stream. But love 1269 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: you that. Hey, this is Dan Feeney. Just want to 1270 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 1: give a shout out to Anthony Feenie, my dad, t Bones, 1271 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day. It's Jason Verrette. Man. I just want 1272 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,640 Speaker 1: to get a shout out to my pops. Happy Father's Day. 1273 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,480 Speaker 1: Since Isaac Rothshell, I want to give out give a 1274 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 1: shout out to all the dads and my dad specifically 1275 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,479 Speaker 1: definitely would not be here if he wouldn't have pushed 1276 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: me in high school and made me the man. I 1277 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: am so happy Father's Day. Hey, let's show you both 1278 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,080 Speaker 1: so love you dad, Happy Father's Day.