WEBVTT - Virtual Sex and Linked Dreaming 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:13.760 Works dot com. Hey, you're welcome to Stuff to Blow 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.440 your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.200 And in this episode, we need to have a little disclaimer. 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:20.880 First of all, Um, if you may have noticed, the 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.239 title of the episode is virtual sexuality and linked to Dreams. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.520 I believe we're going to handle this topic in a 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.360 fairly clinical and fun manner. We're not dignified manner where 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:34.760 we hope we're a dignified podcast. We hope good jokes aside. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:36.960 But I know we have a lot of younger listeners 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.920 out there, so you know, just for parents too maybe 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.879 listening along. So we just wanted to give you a 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.199 heads up. Yeah, we're gonna try to be delicate when 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.839 we talk about virtual sex today, but um, there may 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.919 be times that you went so just know that if 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.479 you don't want anything that you want your kid to hear, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.760 then then sadly you may want to, um, I don't know, 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.800 listen and bleep out things. Yeah. Well, you know, just 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.320 just putting it out there. And I think the next 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.679 logical step would be to make the case for why 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.800 I discussed this at all, because some people might think, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.760 well the virtual will say it's just that's it's kind 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:11.959 of silly, or it's just needless, right, or it's this 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.560 sort of side column, this side effect to technological advancement. Okay, well, 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.720 we we recently recorded a podcast on the Seven Deadly 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.400 Sins Lust, right, and we talked about the lust economy, 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.800 and we talked about how it is something that is 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.720 just um blooming in our in our current culture that 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:34.880 is so dependent on internet and other technologies, right, has 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.760 brought basically pouring to our door and in every single 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.840 way that it can, right, I mean, you know, we 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.000 were talking about the satyrs in the episode the over 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.800 sexed goat men of ancient Greeks that fown their ways 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.280 in some of the most marvelous artistic creations of the time. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.960 If you've ever taken, especially if you've taken like a child, 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.200 like a niece nephew to an art museum, you're probably 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.040 even more aware of Oh, there's a lot of sexuality 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.400 in the in some of our greatest works of a Yeah, 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.200 I don't look too closely at the Greek pottery, right, right? Yeah? 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.160 Or do yeah, So all of our great artistic achievements, 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.880 sexuality and lust have been along for the ride, and 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.440 the same as is true of technology. Not only technology, 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.120 we just pretty much anything technological cultural artistic, because we 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.240 had poetry, and out of that rises pornography. We invented 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.720 the telephone, so suddenly, you know, two people can talk 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.840 across vast distances, but you can also have a call 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.880 into a sex hotline. Vulcanization responsible for so many rubber products, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.160 including the modern condom. The list goes on. You you 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.160 name it. Virtually any kind of technology, especially you're going 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.160 to find and at least some attempts to turn it 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.400 into sex for war like those are seemed to be 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.600 our big interest, and uh, the sexual side tends to 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.960 be a little better for everybody. Well yeah, I mean, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.760 I don't know that you could say that all the 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.079 language is predicated on sex. But if you say that 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.480 one of the things that humans are trying to drive 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.560 toward is is sexual coupling for one reason or another, 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.680 language is pretty important in communicating that, right, right, So 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.240 it makes sense that in this day and age, with 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.240 all that we have available to us in the ways 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.639 that we communicate with one another, that virtual sex would 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.520 show up on the scene. Uh, sooner or later and 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.320 really start to play a role in our relationships or 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:20.880 not our relationships. Right, So what is virtual sex? Right? Yeah, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.079 looking at it, I tend to find it to fall 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.480 into two categories. Right. You have one form, which is 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.959 basically sexual communication with another person. This can be something 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.280 as simple as sexting, where individuals are sending text messages 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.720 that are merely sexy back and forth, sex chat rooms, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:41.760 webcam aided cybersex situations where it's it's about one person 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.000 connecting with another and there may be varying levels of 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.880 illusion between them, some technological, some just due to a 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.200 lack of a full sensory experience. Yes, I can't solitary 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.839 sexual expert or connected via technology. And as we're looking 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.960 into the future too, of what what virtuals sexuality insists 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.800 in these situations, it's very much the idea of computer 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.240 mediated communication. So the computers are aiding us in an 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.960 attempt to communicate with one another, but it's a sexual 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.400 communication that is generally more of a like than any 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.240 emotional and or physical link. But then there's a second 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.760 type of virtual sex, and that would be sexual interaction 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.520 with a simulation, interacting with some sort of sexual video 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.320 game or some sort of a simulated experience. In other words, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.880 the flesh and blood person is not there, but you're 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.120 trying to simulate that experience, right, You're interacting with a 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.560 with a fantasy or an idea. All right, So let's 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.000 talk about some of the technology behind this. Yes, I'm 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.479 talking about the haptic love glove right right, because we 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.760 have these five senses, right, and of course sound that's 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.479 a pretty easy one to get a hold of. We 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.400 have a fantastic ability to transmit sound on the internet. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.360 Visuals that's pretty far along too. It has some ways 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.880 to go, but we have a wonderful webcam set up 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.400 around the world, and computer graphics are reaching the point 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:01.160 where a virtual setting is more and more possible. But 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.920 then how are you going to feel things? Right? And 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.400 this is where you get into haptic computer technology. And again, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.480 this is something where it's not just people sitting around 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.479 saying I wonder if there's a way to feel up 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.480 a centaur in a video mandling like like it's it 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.800 goes beyond that because I think we've discussed the importance 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.680 of telecommunications and say surgery or robotic exploration. We want 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.080 to be able to manipulate a robotic arm on the 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:25.960 other side of the world that's maybe reaching around in 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.520 somebody's abdomen performing a delicate surgery, or manipulate that arm 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.240 on a space probe as it paused around on another planet. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.080 Like we the more control we have, the better. And 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.440 that's where you get into some of this haptic technology, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.120 which is how do I, by the aid of like 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.120 a glove or some sort of neural link, how am 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.560 I able to really get the sense of touching something 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.640 in a virtual setting? Right? So, I mean the foundation 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.720 for haptic technology is steeped in science, right, whether or 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.600 not it's medical, um space exploration, or military applications. Right, 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.720 So military is another one. I'm not gonna punch somebody 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.279 in a virtual environment, right, Yeah, that's but then it 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.400 falls into all these other non sexual categories to like 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.799 just pure entertainment, some sort of like video game experience 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.240 where you're not just pawing around with this dummy hand, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.280 but you're actually able to reach out and grab things 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.840 and touch things and manipulate things that maybe even feel them. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.440 That's another thing about touch and feel is that it's 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.960 a less understood since compared to things like site and 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.480 sound right, right, And you're right, it is far more nuanced, 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:32.599 and certainly with haptic technology that there could be improvements made. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.400 And maybe this is actually going to be the impetus 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.719 for that, who knows. But I think it's interesting about 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.400 this is that haptic technology for the use of virtual 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.320 sex is just a testament to humans and their creativity. Right. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.400 They're looking at this and saying, how else could we 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.000 use this? Um? And else could I make money on it? Yeah? Right, right, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.040 our entrepreneurial spirits. But we talk about heptic technology, we 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.360 should probably just talk about what we mean by that. Right. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.720 So let's say you have a pair of happy gloves. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.560 You insert your hands in them, right, and these are 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.960 outfitted with data transmitters, and these gloves allow the user 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:12.440 to not control, but actually feel virtual items. And I 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.520 believe in your article about virtual sex, you have a 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.560 great photo of someone who's got their hands in one 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.119 of the gloves and they're trying to feel the skin 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.360 of I believe it's a dinosaur, right, virtual dinosaur. Yeah. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.360 Another example, and I don't think this was in this 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.440 was maybe a different article, I think the Dirty robot 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.960 Jobs article. But there's this thing they have called the 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:35.640 haptic cow that aids veterinarians and venarians students specifically mainly 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.280 in the UK, in how to feel around inside of 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.240 a cow, because when you're checking on how a cow's 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.440 rear plumbing is working, and and you know, and you 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.640 don't really want to do it. You really don't want 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.440 to insert your own hand. No no, no, well, I 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:55.400 mean you're gonna have to insert your hand in the apparently, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.160 like before this goes around, it's like the options were 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.880 pretty limited practice because the end just go out and 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.680 stick a arm and a cow every time. You need 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.760 to beginner training, but you need to know where everything is, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.160 and like some of the descriptions are in across the 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.840 old way it was. It was kind of like the 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.680 you know the game at Halloween where you wear the 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.840 blindfold and you said, and you're touching reach other. Here 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.360 you're touching a bowl of eyeballs and brains, like you 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.000 were basically reaching into something and then you would feel 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.840 like a very vague approximation of this organ and then 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.360 this organ and then this organ. With a haptic technology, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.680 the idea is, let's create a false cow rear that 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.040 you can you can reach your hand in and actually 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.240 have a haptic experience with the virtual inside, so you 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.000 can get a blueprint in your own brains. Said that 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.440 you you actually do it, you're you know what you're 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.440 looking for. Plus it seems a little more humane as well. Okay, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.679 so that's that's the basis of haptic technology which is 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.240 being used with virtual sex. Right. We should obviously mentioned 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.800 so what you know. I don't think that we probably 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.440 need to spell it out, but if you have the 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.200 ability to digitize and transmit sense data, then you might 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.160 be able to feel what it would be like to 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.319 touch another human using these gloves, right, I say human 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.240 in the air quotes right right. It could be anything, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.960 or it's or it's just a virtual simulation of some 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.080 ideal it would be something you created, like a human 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:22.640 like alien centaur, yeah whatever, the Fiji mermaid. And there 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.199 are actually some people who have already been tolling around 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.480 with the Connect, which is the movement based interface for 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.640 Xbox three sixty. Some people have you know, hacked that 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.079 and are using the technology for various applications. And there 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.120 are people who are working on sexual games where you 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.520 would use the Connect to say, reach out and touch 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.600 the Fiji mermaid. Yeah, isn't there something called I don't 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:48.680 know pronounces thricks th h r I that triple X. Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.600 it's a three D sex game. It is compatible with 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.320 Xbox Connect. So again, users can touch air quotes the 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.480 models in the game they're talking about. It's sort of 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.520 like Second Life. You can translate in anonymous online animated 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.920 six capades into virtual life with three D graphics and 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:10.160 customized fantasy avatars. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.960 you also have something called again. When we when we 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.719 talk about some of these, it might seem like, oh, yes, 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.720 this is just the hug shirt. You're talking about Xbox 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.720 we're talking about sort of taking it to that degree. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.240 So when we talk about this next thing, the hug shirt, 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.800 think about the possibilities in terms of sexually communicating data 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.960 to yourself. Yeah, this is an idea that comes to 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.120 us from the UK company. By the end of Cute Circuit. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.800 It's alves that question like what do you want to 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.559 send somebody hug? And I think we mentioned this in 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.240 the Hug episode. So you want to hug somebody, but 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.679 you don't want to actually physically touch them, or you 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.480 cannot physically touch them, How can you send that hug 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.280 to them in a way that's not just like an 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.960 XO XO on a text. The answer is, what if 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.839 they had a garment that had the internal structure that 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.720 can deliver a hug, and then you could trigger that 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.760 hug and also to some degree control the type of hug, 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.520 the degree of the hug remotely via bluetoothe Well, and 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.440 then what if you turn that hug shirt into a 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:07.680 unitard and which just sounds sexy all over, and then 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.400 you had the censors strategically placed in areas that might 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:16.840 stimulate a sexual reaction, right, I'm just taking into the yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.000 I mean the hud shirt itself is like a really 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.760 like a great sweet thing too. But I'm you know, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.040 making a dirty and I actually I think that there 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:25.640 may have been a listener who told us about the 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.800 hud shirt. Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's how we 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.880 that maybe that's what we didn't actually mention the hug 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.840 podcast and somebody said, hey, how can you not mention 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.079 the hug shirt? And uh and and true, it's it's fascinating. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:40.160 Then there's a there's another area of technological tinkering that 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:45.120 is roughly referred to as tele built tonics, which that's subtle, 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:46.720 isn't it. Due to it flack and subtlely, we don't 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.320 even really have to go into it a lot other 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.400 than basically some sort of interface that plugs into your 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.000 computer that allows somebody elsewhere on the Worldwide Web to 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.760 stimulate you be at a you know, a some sort 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.280 of wearable item or you know some What I'm trying 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.240 to say is it's an accessory and plugs into your computer. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.760 Somebody else activates that device, and it can stimulates somebody sexually. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.040 So it's um, it's attempting to It's the hug shirt 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.800 on a different level. I'm struggling to you know, this 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.280 is just like becoming like the most awkward podcast ever. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:25.280 I mean, we have discussed uh Stemen collecting robots, we've 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.600 talked about and then that and then that was art 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.040 and this this, this is bringing us to our knees, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.160 so to speak. Oh my god, it's getting I can't okay, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.000 it's um. I guess that's the thing is that that 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 the other things that you mentioned, like the klokobot is 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.360 an artistic creation, you know, sprom collecting robot, for all 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.280 its absurdity, has its roots and something medical and something 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.120 like tele del Donix is basically I mean, just by 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.280 the very name they're they're not even trying to to 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.280 sugarcoat it with with anything else. But it does fit 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.640 into this larger picture of how do we create a 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.600 full sensory experience in a virtual world? How could we 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.319 possibly fully communicate with somebody who's, say on the other 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.760 side of the world, or say it's traveling in space. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.959 Like imagine a situation where a husband and wife are 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.360 separated safe for the better part of a year due 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.200 to conflicting working situations, or a situation where one of 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.880 the individuals is on an interplanetary journey. It's one thing 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.920 for them to be able to call and have a conversation, 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.360 but what if they could connect in a physical manner 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.400 and express their affection physically, Like this is the kind 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.120 of technology you'd need. Okay, well now see now that's 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.880 more romantic and nice. Yeah, yeah, okay, yes, this would 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.839 be the technology as as awkward or weird as it 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.040 may seem. And this is you know, the viewpoint from 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.959 this year, right Who knows what that's gonna look like 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.040 fifty It may be just as as normal as any 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.280 other sort of technology that we use. That being said, 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.320 I still feel like there's a rudimentary aspect to it, right, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.120 because it's still fairly new, and I'm thinking about real 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.600 touch again. I am going to use a euphemism here 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.880 that I've used in the past. This is a device 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.600 that's made for man's frank and beans. Okay, okay. It 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:06.400 is a sort of haptic hot dog bun that the 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.120 frank and the beans or maybe just the front goes into. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.439 Although not quite haptic, right because it's not quite uh 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.880 that advanced, But it connects to this device connects to 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.400 a computer, and it synchronizes in real time to online porn. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.800 And it works in tandem too. I guess you could say, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.440 the plot line of the of the porn point and 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.440 then we all left and the device warms itself up, 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.720 it lubricates, it pulls in a grips, so yes, and 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.160 in the future possibilities of of romantic connections, you know, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.280 in the best intention ways. But this is this is 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.160 the hardware we have right now. Well, it's similar to 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.760 these from robot in terms of the technology, because that 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.640 had various manipulating devices inside its generating We're discussing like 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.880 we're basically talking about a computer interface sex toy for 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.760 for for men here, and it's very much a giggly 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.200 kind of taboo thing really in in the US to 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.240 a large extent elsewhere as well. Um. I was reading 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:08.240 something recently on a campaign in Japan to sort of 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:12.040 remove the stigma from such devices, particular as it pertains 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.800 to one particular brand of the device that they're trying 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.400 to market. But they made a good case for it, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.680 like making the point that you know, you're you're having 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.640 this growing divide in Japan between the sexes, and you 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.360 have in any culture, you're gonna have individuals sort of 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.120 or outside of the norms of relationships, you know, and 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.360 they have they have needs, they have physical desires that 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.120 can't necessarily be met in their daily life. So to 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.320 what extent can technology helped them? And is that really 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.480 that weird or dirty things? Well, and that's a country 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.640 that really embraces technology wholeheartedly, so it makes sense. However, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.520 I do think it's kind of interesting because it's a 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.200 very reserved culture. Yeah, but that maybe that's some of 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.000 the friction that's coming up there right, um, is that 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.880 if you're going to embrace it whole hardly you ought 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.080 to do so, and you know that is a younger 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.520 generation coming up to that's much more calm trouble with 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.480 the terms of that. One of the things that I 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.560 think is really interesting about this that's far more abstracted 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.400 is something called the orgasmatron, which we've talked about before. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.680 And this is the idea that you don't even need, say, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.880 some sort of weird, funky glove to slip your stuff into, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.480 or some sort of fancy touch sensitive pants or porn 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.160 to look at, right, basically you circumvent all of that, right, Yeah. Yeah. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.520 Dr Stewart malloy again we've talked about him before, but 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.960 he was working on a device to alleviate chronic pain 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:30.200 when he realized that it was sexually stimulating his female 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.400 patients and again, lo and behold, whoa this application could 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:39.920 be used for something else. He nicknamed it the orgasmatron. Barbaralla, Yeah, yeah, 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.040 we should mention that Jane Fonda starring as Barbara Ella. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.160 And the device is actually a small box with two 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.560 small wires that like an epidural run under the skin 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.400 and attached to the spinal cord, and it sends an 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.440 electrical pulse through nerves from the spinal cord, which relays 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.640 the message to the part of the brain that processes 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.000 orgasmic sensations, and Jennets tell you like, hey, it's a 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.760 go time. You don't even really need to think in 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.560 order to have an orgasm with this device. You just 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.800 pressed the button and uh, that is going to be 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.040 going at the low, low cost of twelve. By the way, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.919 it's interesting though, because subsequent experimentation city is done with 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.040 this device, they've been able to stir orgasms in women 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.960 that had severe blocks to achieving it otherwise. Right, Yeah, yeah, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.119 that's true. Women who had never been able to achieve 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.760 an orgasm before, we're able to achieve it with this. 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.679 So I mean, there you go. That's but you can 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.240 see advertisement for it, right, But you can see where 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.400 it really opens the door for the possibilities of sexual 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.399 communication in a virtual sense in the media and far future. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:43.919 The idea that it wouldn't even you wouldn't even have 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.920 some sort of weird body glove you have to slip into. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.240 It could be something that is is connecting correctly into 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.320 your brains, into your your your nervous system. But we 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.640 should probably mention some of the other sense, real quick 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.960 and well, spend a lot of time with these that 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.720 we we we really talked about smell printable odors in 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.280 in a previous episode and a lot of those same 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.919 technologies apply here. Means by which you could print a smell. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.120 You could use a certain palette of of basic smells 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.960 and use those to build specific smells. So and again 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:16.080 that's in an attempt to build this virtual uh sexual 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.159 reality for someone, right, so you could create more of 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.639 a I guess um, a background for your sexual experience 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.960 by uploading some smells and in the course a smell 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.200 that's a huge influence on the way we taste things. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.040 There have been some virtual reality studies goun to the 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.400 creation of of devices that would allow you to say, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.720 taste of food that you're chewing and sort of feel 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.000 chewing food to a certain degree, which obviously would have 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.840 an impact on attempts to create a you know, a 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.520 virtual sexual environment as well. Likewise, you have the kiss transmitter, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.680 another product of Japanese innovation. I think I described before 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.720 as being like a joystick that goes in your mouth 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.160 and then you can sort of move it around to 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.760 transmit a kiss through the Internet. It's current incarnation. It's 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.280 you know, it's it's pretty crude design wise, it's pretty basic. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.440 But that's what it's like when you're blazing new trails. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.760 That's right, making that with the joystick. But yeah, I 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.760 mean this again, this is stuff that's cutting edge right now, 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.800 but it seems rudimentary. One thing that also really wildly 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.920 about to all this is the the idea of cross 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.040 moodal attention effects, which is the idea that okay, think 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.600 back to, Like if you can think back to, say, 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.239 you know, your first kiss or something or something of 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.879 a sensual nature, or or even it doesn't have to 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.440 be central, just something of a memorable nature. You may 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.040 really remember what the first kiss felt like. You may 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.879 really remember what the smell of the other individual's hair 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.520 something of that nature. But you might not remember what 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.800 the you know, the couch felt like, you know, or 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.600 what was playing on the TV or you know that 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.720 kind of thing, because this is the sense data that's 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.639 just not important to you at that moment. Right But 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.880 like our brains don't really work and full on three 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.640 six h D, some things are going to get all 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.480 of our attention. Some things are gonna get a little 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.040 bit of our attention, and some things are gonna get 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.359 none of our attention. So you don't have to worry 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.000 about having to create this like totally full on three 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.320 e D super high graphics virtual environment. Instead, you focus 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.400 on the areas that are being focused on the parts 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.960 that are important to the experience, and so you don't 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.199 have to worry about every every aspect of this simulated 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.959 sense environment really cranking up to eleven. Okay, so this 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.040 is what you're talking about your article. The researchers at 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.520 the University of York's Audio Laboratory working to toward this 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.120 cross modal sort of situation where you have some things 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.160 that are amped up in some things that are amped down. 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:31.399