1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, you're welcome to Stuff to Blow 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: And in this episode, we need to have a little disclaimer. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: First of all, Um, if you may have noticed, the 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: title of the episode is virtual sexuality and linked to Dreams. 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: I believe we're going to handle this topic in a 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: fairly clinical and fun manner. We're not dignified manner where 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: we hope we're a dignified podcast. We hope good jokes aside. 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: But I know we have a lot of younger listeners 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: out there, so you know, just for parents too maybe 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: listening along. So we just wanted to give you a 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: heads up. Yeah, we're gonna try to be delicate when 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: we talk about virtual sex today, but um, there may 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: be times that you went so just know that if 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: you don't want anything that you want your kid to hear, 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: then then sadly you may want to, um, I don't know, 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: listen and bleep out things. Yeah. Well, you know, just 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: just putting it out there. And I think the next 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: logical step would be to make the case for why 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: I discussed this at all, because some people might think, 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: well the virtual will say it's just that's it's kind 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: of silly, or it's just needless, right, or it's this 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: sort of side column, this side effect to technological advancement. Okay, well, 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: we we recently recorded a podcast on the Seven Deadly 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: Sins Lust, right, and we talked about the lust economy, 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: and we talked about how it is something that is 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: just um blooming in our in our current culture that 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: is so dependent on internet and other technologies, right, has 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: brought basically pouring to our door and in every single 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: way that it can, right, I mean, you know, we 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: were talking about the satyrs in the episode the over 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: sexed goat men of ancient Greeks that fown their ways 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: in some of the most marvelous artistic creations of the time. 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: If you've ever taken, especially if you've taken like a child, 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: like a niece nephew to an art museum, you're probably 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: even more aware of Oh, there's a lot of sexuality 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: in the in some of our greatest works of a Yeah, 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't look too closely at the Greek pottery, right, right? Yeah? 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Or do yeah, So all of our great artistic achievements, 41 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: sexuality and lust have been along for the ride, and 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: the same as is true of technology. Not only technology, 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: we just pretty much anything technological cultural artistic, because we 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: had poetry, and out of that rises pornography. We invented 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: the telephone, so suddenly, you know, two people can talk 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: across vast distances, but you can also have a call 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: into a sex hotline. Vulcanization responsible for so many rubber products, 48 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: including the modern condom. The list goes on. You you 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: name it. Virtually any kind of technology, especially you're going 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: to find and at least some attempts to turn it 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: into sex for war like those are seemed to be 52 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: our big interest, and uh, the sexual side tends to 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: be a little better for everybody. Well yeah, I mean, 54 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that you could say that all the 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: language is predicated on sex. But if you say that 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that humans are trying to drive 57 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: toward is is sexual coupling for one reason or another, 58 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: language is pretty important in communicating that, right, right, So 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: it makes sense that in this day and age, with 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: all that we have available to us in the ways 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: that we communicate with one another, that virtual sex would 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: show up on the scene. Uh, sooner or later and 63 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: really start to play a role in our relationships or 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: not our relationships. Right, So what is virtual sex? Right? Yeah, 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: looking at it, I tend to find it to fall 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: into two categories. Right. You have one form, which is 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: basically sexual communication with another person. This can be something 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: as simple as sexting, where individuals are sending text messages 69 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: that are merely sexy back and forth, sex chat rooms, 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: webcam aided cybersex situations where it's it's about one person 71 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: connecting with another and there may be varying levels of 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: illusion between them, some technological, some just due to a 73 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: lack of a full sensory experience. Yes, I can't solitary 74 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: sexual expert or connected via technology. And as we're looking 75 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: into the future too, of what what virtuals sexuality insists 76 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: in these situations, it's very much the idea of computer 77 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: mediated communication. So the computers are aiding us in an 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: attempt to communicate with one another, but it's a sexual 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: communication that is generally more of a like than any 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: emotional and or physical link. But then there's a second 81 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: type of virtual sex, and that would be sexual interaction 82 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: with a simulation, interacting with some sort of sexual video 83 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: game or some sort of a simulated experience. In other words, 84 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: the flesh and blood person is not there, but you're 85 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: trying to simulate that experience, right, You're interacting with a 86 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: with a fantasy or an idea. All right, So let's 87 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: talk about some of the technology behind this. Yes, I'm 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: talking about the haptic love glove right right, because we 89 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: have these five senses, right, and of course sound that's 90 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: a pretty easy one to get a hold of. We 91 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: have a fantastic ability to transmit sound on the internet. 92 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: Visuals that's pretty far along too. It has some ways 93 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: to go, but we have a wonderful webcam set up 94 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: around the world, and computer graphics are reaching the point 95 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: where a virtual setting is more and more possible. But 96 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: then how are you going to feel things? Right? And 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: this is where you get into haptic computer technology. And again, 98 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: this is something where it's not just people sitting around 99 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: saying I wonder if there's a way to feel up 100 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: a centaur in a video mandling like like it's it 101 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: goes beyond that because I think we've discussed the importance 102 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: of telecommunications and say surgery or robotic exploration. We want 103 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: to be able to manipulate a robotic arm on the 104 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: other side of the world that's maybe reaching around in 105 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: somebody's abdomen performing a delicate surgery, or manipulate that arm 106 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: on a space probe as it paused around on another planet. 107 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: Like we the more control we have, the better. And 108 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: that's where you get into some of this haptic technology, 109 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: which is how do I, by the aid of like 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: a glove or some sort of neural link, how am 111 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: I able to really get the sense of touching something 112 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: in a virtual setting? Right? So, I mean the foundation 113 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: for haptic technology is steeped in science, right, whether or 114 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: not it's medical, um space exploration, or military applications. Right, 115 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: So military is another one. I'm not gonna punch somebody 116 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: in a virtual environment, right, Yeah, that's but then it 117 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: falls into all these other non sexual categories to like 118 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: just pure entertainment, some sort of like video game experience 119 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: where you're not just pawing around with this dummy hand, 120 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: but you're actually able to reach out and grab things 121 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: and touch things and manipulate things that maybe even feel them. 122 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: That's another thing about touch and feel is that it's 123 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: a less understood since compared to things like site and 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: sound right, right, And you're right, it is far more nuanced, 125 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: and certainly with haptic technology that there could be improvements made. 126 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: And maybe this is actually going to be the impetus 127 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: for that, who knows. But I think it's interesting about 128 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: this is that haptic technology for the use of virtual 129 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: sex is just a testament to humans and their creativity. Right. 130 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: They're looking at this and saying, how else could we 131 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: use this? Um? And else could I make money on it? Yeah? Right, right, 132 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: our entrepreneurial spirits. But we talk about heptic technology, we 133 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: should probably just talk about what we mean by that. Right. 134 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: So let's say you have a pair of happy gloves. 135 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: You insert your hands in them, right, and these are 136 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: outfitted with data transmitters, and these gloves allow the user 137 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: to not control, but actually feel virtual items. And I 138 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: believe in your article about virtual sex, you have a 139 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: great photo of someone who's got their hands in one 140 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,119 Speaker 1: of the gloves and they're trying to feel the skin 141 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: of I believe it's a dinosaur, right, virtual dinosaur. Yeah. 142 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Another example, and I don't think this was in this 143 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: was maybe a different article, I think the Dirty robot 144 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: Jobs article. But there's this thing they have called the 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: haptic cow that aids veterinarians and venarians students specifically mainly 146 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: in the UK, in how to feel around inside of 147 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: a cow, because when you're checking on how a cow's 148 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: rear plumbing is working, and and you know, and you 149 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: don't really want to do it. You really don't want 150 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: to insert your own hand. No no, no, well, I 151 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: mean you're gonna have to insert your hand in the apparently, 152 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: like before this goes around, it's like the options were 153 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: pretty limited practice because the end just go out and 154 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: stick a arm and a cow every time. You need 155 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: to beginner training, but you need to know where everything is, 156 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: and like some of the descriptions are in across the 157 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: old way it was. It was kind of like the 158 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: you know the game at Halloween where you wear the 159 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: blindfold and you said, and you're touching reach other. Here 160 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: you're touching a bowl of eyeballs and brains, like you 161 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: were basically reaching into something and then you would feel 162 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: like a very vague approximation of this organ and then 163 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: this organ and then this organ. With a haptic technology, 164 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: the idea is, let's create a false cow rear that 165 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: you can you can reach your hand in and actually 166 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: have a haptic experience with the virtual inside, so you 167 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: can get a blueprint in your own brains. Said that 168 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: you you actually do it, you're you know what you're 169 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: looking for. Plus it seems a little more humane as well. Okay, 170 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: so that's that's the basis of haptic technology which is 171 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: being used with virtual sex. Right. We should obviously mentioned 172 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: so what you know. I don't think that we probably 173 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: need to spell it out, but if you have the 174 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: ability to digitize and transmit sense data, then you might 175 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: be able to feel what it would be like to 176 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: touch another human using these gloves, right, I say human 177 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: in the air quotes right right. It could be anything, 178 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: or it's or it's just a virtual simulation of some 179 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: ideal it would be something you created, like a human 180 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: like alien centaur, yeah whatever, the Fiji mermaid. And there 181 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: are actually some people who have already been tolling around 182 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: with the Connect, which is the movement based interface for 183 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: Xbox three sixty. Some people have you know, hacked that 184 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: and are using the technology for various applications. And there 185 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: are people who are working on sexual games where you 186 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: would use the Connect to say, reach out and touch 187 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: the Fiji mermaid. Yeah, isn't there something called I don't 188 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: know pronounces thricks th h r I that triple X. Yeah. Yeah, 189 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: it's a three D sex game. It is compatible with 190 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: Xbox Connect. So again, users can touch air quotes the 191 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: models in the game they're talking about. It's sort of 192 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: like Second Life. You can translate in anonymous online animated 193 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: six capades into virtual life with three D graphics and 194 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: customized fantasy avatars. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah, and 195 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: you also have something called again. When we when we 196 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: talk about some of these, it might seem like, oh, yes, 197 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: this is just the hug shirt. You're talking about Xbox 198 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about sort of taking it to that degree. 199 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: So when we talk about this next thing, the hug shirt, 200 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: think about the possibilities in terms of sexually communicating data 201 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: to yourself. Yeah, this is an idea that comes to 202 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: us from the UK company. By the end of Cute Circuit. 203 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: It's alves that question like what do you want to 204 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: send somebody hug? And I think we mentioned this in 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: the Hug episode. So you want to hug somebody, but 206 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: you don't want to actually physically touch them, or you 207 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: cannot physically touch them, How can you send that hug 208 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: to them in a way that's not just like an 209 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: XO XO on a text. The answer is, what if 210 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: they had a garment that had the internal structure that 211 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: can deliver a hug, and then you could trigger that 212 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: hug and also to some degree control the type of hug, 213 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: the degree of the hug remotely via bluetoothe Well, and 214 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: then what if you turn that hug shirt into a 215 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: unitard and which just sounds sexy all over, and then 216 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: you had the censors strategically placed in areas that might 217 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: stimulate a sexual reaction, right, I'm just taking into the yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, 218 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean the hud shirt itself is like a really 219 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: like a great sweet thing too. But I'm you know, 220 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: making a dirty and I actually I think that there 221 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: may have been a listener who told us about the 222 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: hud shirt. Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's how we 223 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: that maybe that's what we didn't actually mention the hug 224 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: podcast and somebody said, hey, how can you not mention 225 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: the hug shirt? And uh and and true, it's it's fascinating. 226 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: Then there's a there's another area of technological tinkering that 227 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: is roughly referred to as tele built tonics, which that's subtle, 228 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: isn't it. Due to it flack and subtlely, we don't 229 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: even really have to go into it a lot other 230 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: than basically some sort of interface that plugs into your 231 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: computer that allows somebody elsewhere on the Worldwide Web to 232 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: stimulate you be at a you know, a some sort 233 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: of wearable item or you know some What I'm trying 234 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: to say is it's an accessory and plugs into your computer. 235 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Somebody else activates that device, and it can stimulates somebody sexually. 236 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: So it's um, it's attempting to It's the hug shirt 237 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: on a different level. I'm struggling to you know, this 238 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: is just like becoming like the most awkward podcast ever. 239 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we have discussed uh Stemen collecting robots, we've 240 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: talked about and then that and then that was art 241 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: and this this, this is bringing us to our knees, 242 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: so to speak. Oh my god, it's getting I can't okay, 243 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: it's um. I guess that's the thing is that that 244 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: the other things that you mentioned, like the klokobot is 245 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: an artistic creation, you know, sprom collecting robot, for all 246 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: its absurdity, has its roots and something medical and something 247 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: like tele del Donix is basically I mean, just by 248 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: the very name they're they're not even trying to to 249 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: sugarcoat it with with anything else. But it does fit 250 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: into this larger picture of how do we create a 251 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: full sensory experience in a virtual world? How could we 252 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: possibly fully communicate with somebody who's, say on the other 253 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: side of the world, or say it's traveling in space. 254 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: Like imagine a situation where a husband and wife are 255 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: separated safe for the better part of a year due 256 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: to conflicting working situations, or a situation where one of 257 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: the individuals is on an interplanetary journey. It's one thing 258 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: for them to be able to call and have a conversation, 259 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: but what if they could connect in a physical manner 260 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: and express their affection physically, Like this is the kind 261 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: of technology you'd need. Okay, well now see now that's 262 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: more romantic and nice. Yeah, yeah, okay, yes, this would 263 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: be the technology as as awkward or weird as it 264 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: may seem. And this is you know, the viewpoint from 265 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: this year, right Who knows what that's gonna look like 266 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: fifty It may be just as as normal as any 267 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: other sort of technology that we use. That being said, 268 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: I still feel like there's a rudimentary aspect to it, right, 269 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: because it's still fairly new, and I'm thinking about real 270 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: touch again. I am going to use a euphemism here 271 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: that I've used in the past. This is a device 272 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: that's made for man's frank and beans. Okay, okay. It 273 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: is a sort of haptic hot dog bun that the 274 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: frank and the beans or maybe just the front goes into. 275 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: Although not quite haptic, right because it's not quite uh 276 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: that advanced, But it connects to this device connects to 277 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: a computer, and it synchronizes in real time to online porn. 278 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: And it works in tandem too. I guess you could say, 279 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: the plot line of the of the porn point and 280 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: then we all left and the device warms itself up, 281 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: it lubricates, it pulls in a grips, so yes, and 282 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: in the future possibilities of of romantic connections, you know, 283 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: in the best intention ways. But this is this is 284 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: the hardware we have right now. Well, it's similar to 285 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: these from robot in terms of the technology, because that 286 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: had various manipulating devices inside its generating We're discussing like 287 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: we're basically talking about a computer interface sex toy for 288 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: for for men here, and it's very much a giggly 289 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: kind of taboo thing really in in the US to 290 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: a large extent elsewhere as well. Um. I was reading 291 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: something recently on a campaign in Japan to sort of 292 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: remove the stigma from such devices, particular as it pertains 293 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: to one particular brand of the device that they're trying 294 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: to market. But they made a good case for it, 295 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: like making the point that you know, you're you're having 296 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: this growing divide in Japan between the sexes, and you 297 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: have in any culture, you're gonna have individuals sort of 298 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: or outside of the norms of relationships, you know, and 299 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: they have they have needs, they have physical desires that 300 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: can't necessarily be met in their daily life. So to 301 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: what extent can technology helped them? And is that really 302 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: that weird or dirty things? Well, and that's a country 303 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: that really embraces technology wholeheartedly, so it makes sense. However, 304 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: I do think it's kind of interesting because it's a 305 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: very reserved culture. Yeah, but that maybe that's some of 306 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: the friction that's coming up there right, um, is that 307 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: if you're going to embrace it whole hardly you ought 308 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: to do so, and you know that is a younger 309 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: generation coming up to that's much more calm trouble with 310 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: the terms of that. One of the things that I 311 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: think is really interesting about this that's far more abstracted 312 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: is something called the orgasmatron, which we've talked about before. 313 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: And this is the idea that you don't even need, say, 314 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: some sort of weird, funky glove to slip your stuff into, 315 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: or some sort of fancy touch sensitive pants or porn 316 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: to look at, right, basically you circumvent all of that, right, Yeah. Yeah. 317 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: Dr Stewart malloy again we've talked about him before, but 318 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: he was working on a device to alleviate chronic pain 319 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: when he realized that it was sexually stimulating his female 320 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: patients and again, lo and behold, whoa this application could 321 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: be used for something else. He nicknamed it the orgasmatron. Barbaralla, Yeah, yeah, 322 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: we should mention that Jane Fonda starring as Barbara Ella. 323 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: And the device is actually a small box with two 324 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: small wires that like an epidural run under the skin 325 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: and attached to the spinal cord, and it sends an 326 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: electrical pulse through nerves from the spinal cord, which relays 327 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: the message to the part of the brain that processes 328 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: orgasmic sensations, and Jennets tell you like, hey, it's a 329 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: go time. You don't even really need to think in 330 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: order to have an orgasm with this device. You just 331 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: pressed the button and uh, that is going to be 332 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: going at the low, low cost of twelve. By the way, 333 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: it's interesting though, because subsequent experimentation city is done with 334 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: this device, they've been able to stir orgasms in women 335 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: that had severe blocks to achieving it otherwise. Right, Yeah, yeah, 336 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: that's true. Women who had never been able to achieve 337 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: an orgasm before, we're able to achieve it with this. 338 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: So I mean, there you go. That's but you can 339 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: see advertisement for it, right, But you can see where 340 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: it really opens the door for the possibilities of sexual 341 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: communication in a virtual sense in the media and far future. 342 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: The idea that it wouldn't even you wouldn't even have 343 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: some sort of weird body glove you have to slip into. 344 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: It could be something that is is connecting correctly into 345 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: your brains, into your your your nervous system. But we 346 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: should probably mention some of the other sense, real quick 347 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: and well, spend a lot of time with these that 348 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: we we we really talked about smell printable odors in 349 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: in a previous episode and a lot of those same 350 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: technologies apply here. Means by which you could print a smell. 351 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: You could use a certain palette of of basic smells 352 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: and use those to build specific smells. So and again 353 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: that's in an attempt to build this virtual uh sexual 354 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: reality for someone, right, so you could create more of 355 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: a I guess um, a background for your sexual experience 356 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: by uploading some smells and in the course a smell 357 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: that's a huge influence on the way we taste things. 358 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: There have been some virtual reality studies goun to the 359 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: creation of of devices that would allow you to say, 360 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: taste of food that you're chewing and sort of feel 361 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: chewing food to a certain degree, which obviously would have 362 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: an impact on attempts to create a you know, a 363 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: virtual sexual environment as well. Likewise, you have the kiss transmitter, 364 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: another product of Japanese innovation. I think I described before 365 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: as being like a joystick that goes in your mouth 366 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: and then you can sort of move it around to 367 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: transmit a kiss through the Internet. It's current incarnation. It's 368 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's pretty crude design wise, it's pretty basic. 369 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: But that's what it's like when you're blazing new trails. 370 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: That's right, making that with the joystick. But yeah, I 371 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: mean this again, this is stuff that's cutting edge right now, 372 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: but it seems rudimentary. One thing that also really wildly 373 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: about to all this is the the idea of cross 374 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: moodal attention effects, which is the idea that okay, think 375 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: back to, Like if you can think back to, say, 376 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, your first kiss or something or something of 377 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: a sensual nature, or or even it doesn't have to 378 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: be central, just something of a memorable nature. You may 379 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: really remember what the first kiss felt like. You may 380 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: really remember what the smell of the other individual's hair 381 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: something of that nature. But you might not remember what 382 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: the you know, the couch felt like, you know, or 383 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: what was playing on the TV or you know that 384 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: kind of thing, because this is the sense data that's 385 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: just not important to you at that moment. Right But 386 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: like our brains don't really work and full on three 387 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: six h D, some things are going to get all 388 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: of our attention. Some things are gonna get a little 389 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: bit of our attention, and some things are gonna get 390 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: none of our attention. So you don't have to worry 391 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: about having to create this like totally full on three 392 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: e D super high graphics virtual environment. Instead, you focus 393 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: on the areas that are being focused on the parts 394 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: that are important to the experience, and so you don't 395 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: have to worry about every every aspect of this simulated 396 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: sense environment really cranking up to eleven. Okay, so this 397 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: is what you're talking about your article. The researchers at 398 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: the University of York's Audio Laboratory working to toward this 399 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: cross modal sort of situation where you have some things 400 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: that are amped up in some things that are amped down. 401 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: And to that end, they are considering a mouthpiece to 402 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: simulate different textures against the tongue in mouth. Yes, this 403 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: is this whatever for two yeah, yeah, yeah, And this 404 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: is the thing that cracked me up. And I believe 405 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: you even put it in air quotes at some point 406 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: in the article. This is virtual food chewing research, right, 407 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: food chewing because you know, there's going to be a 408 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: huge opportunity for virtual restaurants in the future, right, because 409 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: everybody wants to virtually chew their food. So that's what 410 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: this application is that proposedly for right, which again is 411 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: kind of a wink wink, nudge and nudge. Obviously it's 412 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: going to be used for for other purposes in virtual effects. Well, 413 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: you know, I make fun of it, but then I 414 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: have to think on two counts. One it would be 415 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: kind of nice, I guess, you know, if you want 416 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: to experience like some horrible fatty food or or some 417 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: sort of environmentally unsustainable food in the future, or say 418 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: in the if we're looking, you know, at a future 419 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: in which some of our our current foods have ceased 420 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: to be around, Like what if we're looking at age 421 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: when bananas aren't a possibility anymore. Or maybe you're just 422 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: feeling dangerous and you want to like check out cannibalism 423 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: in a safe place, you'd be like a virtual That's 424 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: so that's an entirely separate can of warrants. But but 425 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: even like in something like the video game Skyrim, which 426 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: is the Elder Scrolls game, where you're in this big 427 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: sandbox virtual environment, there's food in there, and when you 428 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: eat the food, your character is healed, and it's largely 429 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: a game about like flowing dragons and killing trolls and whatnot, 430 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: and then and then I've been toiling with it a 431 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: little bit, but you still find yourself saying, hmm, I 432 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: wonder if my character should grab that grilled salmon, or 433 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: if should grab the bread, or there's like goat cheese. 434 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: And I found that I was having my character grab 435 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: more of the goat cheese than the other foods, even 436 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: though he's I get nothing out of eating it all, right, 437 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: So it was enhancing your experience, which is the idea 438 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: of it was enhancing my experience. So I'm just I'm 439 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: not sure exactly how that relates to the possible chewing 440 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: the food virtually in a game. Well, and who is 441 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: we've talked about nanotechnology and maybe there will be nano 442 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: nutrients that just that's right cause us to just quit 443 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: eating food altogether because we get everything delivered to us. 444 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: So maybe yeah, it's some sort of like you know, 445 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: yearning for yesteryear when you remember used to chew food, right, 446 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: because obviously that the huge pitfall to chewing your food 447 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: virtually is you're you're still nothing's going to wind up 448 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: in your belly. But but maybe that you have nano 449 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: it's down there that are taking care of it. I 450 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: don't know, alright, so we should probably take a break, yes, 451 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: but when we get back, we're going to talk about 452 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: travel Latch and what it has to do the travel 453 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: at yeah, the hotel motel, right, yes, and this is 454 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: the amazing stuff that's coming up. To stick with it. 455 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: What does it to do refrsual sex at all? Right, 456 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: we're back and uh, we're looking into the far future 457 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: of well supposedly of sleeping at a hotel courtesy of 458 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: Dr Ian Pearson in any report that was commissioned by 459 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: Travel Lodge of all people in June of two thousand 460 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: and eleven. Alr. Yeah, let's talk about the chops. This guy, 461 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's not just a futurologist. He has his 462 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: maths and physics graduate degree, and he's worked in numerous 463 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: branches of engineering, from aeronautics to cybernetics, sustainable transport to 464 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: electronic cosmetics. His inventions include text messaging okay, no, no 465 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: little feet there, right, and the active contact lens, which 466 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a moment. So this guy has chops, right, 467 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about, and Travel Lodge commissioned 468 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: him to create a report of what the future of 469 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: sleep week wink, nudge, nudge, looks like yes. And I'll 470 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: be sure to put up a link to a PDF 471 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: of this so you can you can read it for 472 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: yourself on the blog post accompanying this, because there's some 473 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: Favos illustrations that go with it that and and work 474 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: safe fillustrations. Um, they actually are. And they kind of 475 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: even look like the illustrations you would find like the 476 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: back of the card on the airplane. It does look 477 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: like how to edge of the airplane. Yeah, it makes 478 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: it even better, yea. And because the thing is, this 479 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: guy didn't Pearson didn't set out to say I'm going 480 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: to write about the future of virtual sex or shared 481 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: sexy dreams, you know, or that kind of thing. Like 482 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: he's basically looking at, like, what, you know, given the 483 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: current state of technology and where technology seems to be going, 484 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: what conceivably is the state of technologically aided sleep in 485 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: the year twenty thirty, And this is just the guy 486 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: to answer it because in the in the same way 487 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: that the authors of the nineties sixties paper on cyborgs 488 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: that we mentioned in the Werewolf Principle episode, the same 489 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: way those guys were like looking at the cybernetics and 490 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: really making some some seemingly crazy but but really big 491 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: predictions about where cybernetic could lead. Pearson is doing the 492 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: same thing, except with sleep and with virtual reality and 493 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: dream technology. And I mean it's phenomenal to read about 494 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: because he's not holding on to too much nostalgia about 495 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: where we are now. He's not a small dreamer. This 496 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: guy is a big dreamer and he's amazing well. And 497 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: I was even thinking too, that reminds you of already 498 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: de Gray. Uh, the biogerontologist whom we've talked about several times, 499 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: who is interested in extending life and thinks that we 500 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: can do so on many different levels if we can 501 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: catch disease before it really sort of blooms and takes 502 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: over our bodies, and and saying like these are practical 503 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: things that we can actually do because we've got the technology. 504 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: The same sort of thing here with Pearson and saying, 505 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: here's the technology that we have developed, let's see what 506 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: it looks like in a travel lodge setting. Some of 507 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: it has to do with, say, the way the TVs work, 508 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, why you can like you know, pull up 509 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: maps in your room. Uh. This stuff is is related 510 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: to like, what do you want your room to look like? 511 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: Can you push a button and make it look like 512 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: your your bedroom at home? Yeah. For instance, I've got 513 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: one that's supposed to be for the ladies, and it's 514 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: a year that would show you what you're after would 515 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: look like after you put on your makeup, so you 516 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: it uploads, I guess a photo of yourself with makeup on, 517 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: so that when you're applying your makeup, you know what 518 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: the after is gonna look like. So someone's a little 519 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: bit silly, but it's basically just a showcase for technology. Wow. 520 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: I love that. What happens if if someone else looks 521 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: into it, what happens if you have a dog or 522 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: a cat with you? I don't know what happens like 523 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: I do. If you upload like Dolly Parton, does it 524 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: just go again? Like can't compute? Like that's you know, 525 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: that's what I could se If I were Dolly Partoner, 526 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: I probably would want to do that because that's a 527 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: lot of makeup And I love Dollie. That's no slide 528 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: against her. That was just a great hoist. And then 529 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: in other areas it gets it's a little more in 530 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: a line with what we're talking about in this podcast. 531 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: For instance, there's the auto massage distress pillows, yes, which 532 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: are pretty great, and the illustrations to go with it 533 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: also paint the picture of couples that have this distance 534 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: between them, a geographical distance. So one is in a 535 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: hotel room of one is in the bedded home. How 536 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: can we bring these two together? Yeah? Okay, so let 537 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: me give you a quick overview. I mean he's basically 538 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: saying that people and will talk more specifically about it, 539 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: but people will be able to wear lenses to change 540 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: the way their partner looks while making love without their knowledge, right, 541 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: So they being not only do they changing their parents 542 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: without their knowledge, right, clients will be able to being 543 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: their virtual partners into bed while making love remotely, okay. 544 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: And hotel sheets and sleepware are being designed with special 545 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: fibers that produce sensory responses allowing clients to feel you know, 546 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: air quotes the sensations of sex like this is the 547 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: ultimate and sexy pajamas. These are technologically intensified sexual pajamas. Yeah. 548 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, on one level, it's like augmented love making. Right, 549 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: So if you actually have another human with you, um, 550 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: you could use these active contact lens to change the 551 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: way that they appear to you, right, which again this 552 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: borders on like how much of this is weird and 553 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: how much of this are we already doing to some degree, right, 554 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: because they're a variety of different ways that people can 555 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: person in themselves, uh for sexual activity that is augmenting 556 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: the reality right the really far future end of the spectrum. 557 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: He even talked about couples being able to benefit from 558 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: the ability to link their nervous systems via active skin 559 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: electronics during the lovemaking, so that you would be able 560 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: to feel what the other individual is feeling at the 561 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: same time you're feeling what you're feeling. That's an enhancement, 562 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: that is that is quite an enhancement. I feel like 563 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: I've I've read probably some some Richard K. Morrigan that 564 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: involves some of that, but like on that far into 565 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: the spectrum, using some of this very technology that we're 566 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: talking about, the ability to actually go beyond the flesh 567 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: and connect more directly with the nervous system in the 568 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: brain as far as central pleasure goes. And also to 569 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: just to to talk a little bit more about those 570 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: active lenses we're talking about delivering high quality three D 571 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: images directly onto the rtna um and you can I 572 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: mean they they're worn under the eyelids, right, because you 573 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: can do this while you're even sleeping, which is kind 574 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: of crazy. Ye, active contact lenses that they would have electronics, sensors, 575 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: and communication capabilities all embedded in lends itself. This is 576 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: something that, like a lot of this technology, it would 577 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: have a lot of applications, virsuality, medicine, you name it, 578 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: but inevitably sexuality as well. Yeah, I mean, especially we're 579 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: talking about sleepwear that you know has fibers that can 580 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: create different sensations for you, and talking about massaging pillow. 581 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's pretty much spelling out virtual 582 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: sex or enhanced sex for starters. Like active context of 583 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: this nature, they'd be able to detect when you're dreaming, 584 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: inform you that you're dreaming, and allow you to to 585 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: dream lucidly, also just to bring up the sheets to 586 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: That's something that could also interact with other media, so TV, radio, 587 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: web based media games. So again we've talked about the 588 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: ability to have sexual video games, so just imagine plugging 589 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: that up to you to your Xbox as well, and 590 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: participating in that way. But let's talk about dreams, because 591 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: that's this is where it gets really very odd and 592 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: I love the idea to travel. Lodge commissioned this guy 593 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: to help them what sleeping in a hotel room in 594 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: would consist of. His answer involves linked dreaming. The idea 595 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: that you know, conceivably in the hotel room itself, or 596 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: across distances with one member of a couple here remember 597 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: of the couple in another city, that they would be 598 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: able to share the same or very similar dream experience, 599 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: and that you could help to craft that dream experience. Right, 600 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: because you're also talking about manipulating this room to the 601 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: degree that you get certain smells that would evoke certain memories. Uh. 602 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: And you know you're you're clad in sleepwear that is 603 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: possibly stimulating your genitals, right, and you've you've got a 604 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: your lover beamed into your room, so which you can, 605 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: without their knowing, then change the way they look or 606 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: if they're there too, you can change the way that 607 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: they look. Um. So it stands to reason that you 608 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: could now plug into the dream landscape. And again it's 609 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: just at what point does it become augmented? UH sexual 610 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: experience as opposed to a sexual experience you're already having, 611 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: because dreams, already, given their nature, are virtual, right, Yeah, 612 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: But what I wonder about the dream and we, I mean, 613 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: we could get more into the technology that enables this, 614 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: like like does some degree is talking about just your 615 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: dreaming and you're listening to the same music and you're 616 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: aware that it's a dream, and there you know, some 617 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: some other sense. Uh, there's some other sense data thrown 618 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: in there as well. But and then in other cases 619 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: it's more of like a neural linkage kind of thing. 620 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: And he's talking about the ability to to play back dreams, 621 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: record dreams and all this. But I wonder, like you 622 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: hear people talk about lucid dreaming, and generally the you 623 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: don't hear people say And then I realized I was dreaming, 624 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: and I had a bunch of sex that they tend 625 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: to say. And then I realized I was dreaming and 626 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 1: I was a thousand feet tall and pushing over buildings. Right. 627 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: I realized I was dreaming, and the world fell away 628 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: and I was flying and I turned into light. All 629 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: my my problems were defeatable like this, like it tends 630 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: to the accounts I've heard of lucid dreaming tend to 631 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: be a lot bigger than sexuality. So I don't feel 632 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: like we'll know exactly what it will be like until 633 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: we're we're there, you know what exactly the frog since 634 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: persons a joint lucid dreaming situation would be like, yeah, 635 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, who knows you. I think that most of 636 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: these technologies will come to fruition. It's something like that 637 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: that is harder to understand and harder I think, to 638 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: manipulate to really be able to predict what you know, 639 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: whether or not we could be coupling with each other 640 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: intentionally in dreams. But you make a good point. There's 641 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: already this aspect of dreams called lucid dreaming which allows 642 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: the individual to do that. And you're also right that 643 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: and your typical like water cooler conversation people don't normally say, man, 644 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: that's lucid sex dream last night. Yeah. But that being 645 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: that being said, I mean a I love where this 646 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: guy's brain is going with this. But then be I mean, 647 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: maybe that would be even bigger than that, Like maybe 648 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: it would have some sort of sexual nature to it. 649 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: But imagine like a situation where two people in love 650 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: are sharing the same dream unbound by physics, feeling what 651 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: each other is feeling. I mean, it's it's beautiful, like 652 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of like beautiful. But is it 653 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: the same sort of situation where you get looped into 654 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: those dopamine more texts of just chasing the dream of 655 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: the thing rather than dealing with the reality. We all 656 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: climb inside our little pleasure capsules and then we just 657 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: stay there. Yeah, you know, it's the little pleasure cocoons 658 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: that right, and you never see daylight again. It also 659 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: reminds me of Until the End of the World, Um 660 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: of Invendor's film from I think it's like the eighties 661 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: or early nineties, I can't remember. But it also like 662 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: it shows the characters absolutely tied to technology and the 663 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: past at the same time, because they're constantly revisiting their 664 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: dreams from another world because it's supposed to lot apocalyptic 665 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: will that they're in, and they keep going back to 666 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: their memories because they're getting charged from those. So I 667 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: wonder if it's the same sort of thing We're just 668 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: gonna all be hold up and he's tricked out travel 669 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: lodges again. It's factous to think about because it really 670 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: takes us right up to the edge of of what 671 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: we know about about about humanity and about technology, and 672 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: about about the experience of of being human right or 673 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: not being human right, divorcing ourselves from our humanness, the 674 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: animal part of ourselves, which would be the touch, the 675 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: actual you know, real touch, nothing real touch product. Right. 676 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: So there you go. That's a a little bit of 677 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: virtual sex wrapped in a little casement of awkwardness with 678 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: the little sprinkle of fleshy joy. That was bad. That 679 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: fleshy joy. I don't know what that is. It sounds 680 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: like a breakfast cereal some kind, doesn't it Again. If 681 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: you want to explore more about this and you want 682 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: to see that that's a really cool article from Dr 683 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: Ian Pearson, check out the blog entry that goes along 684 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: with this episode, and I will try to remember to 685 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: link to it, and if I forget and I don't 686 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: link to it, hassle me and I will link to 687 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: it for all intents of purposes. 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