Speaker 1: Look, man. Where? Oh, I see.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh,
Speaker 1: my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.
Speaker 1: And it's our first guest in the space. Amazing. And
Speaker 1: the first thing he did was say, sort of encounter
Speaker 1: what was on the table and say, what's that? And
Speaker 1: we said, well, I've never tried that. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: we're giving it away for free. Because now they have
Speaker 1: one of the world's beloved icons drinking it here.
Speaker 3: And having mixed things to say.
Speaker 1: Which is what they want. And we can be transparent
Speaker 1: about that because they have not offered us some sort
Speaker 1: of global brand deal. So we can sit here and
Speaker 1: actually say how we feel about, and what's the one
Speaker 1: that you have? Arctic Vibe.
Speaker 3: And to the Celsius folks, y'all know it tastes crazy.
Speaker 1: That's part of the appeal, isn't it? Out there, you
Speaker 1: fucking freaks. You want us out here sipping your weird juice?
Speaker 1: One of our crew called it vape juice. Yeah. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: I think our guest called it vape juice. Oh, and
Speaker 1: then it was confirmed by the crew. Our vaping crew.
Speaker 1: I don't want to call anyone out of their name. Well,
Speaker 1: we're about to. I... How dare our guest. How dare
Speaker 1: our guest.
Speaker 2: He..
Speaker 1: Dropped this video on the world. So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You know Nicole Kidman. I'm talking to the guests at home.
Speaker 1: From Las Culturistas. Not the guests in the chair. I'm
Speaker 1: talking to the guests to this episode, a.k.a. the readers,
Speaker 1: the people that listen to this podcast. You guys know
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman. You remember her from this podcast where she...
Speaker 1: What happened to her when Tweety Bird came up?
Speaker 3: I think she was just excited to see Tweety Bird.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I think she is an actor in the
Speaker 3: sense that she... went into a reverie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: An embodied Tweety. And that girl, that girl, she's the best.
Speaker 1: This guy, this guy, he's the best. So one of
Speaker 1: the things that I share, um, that we all share
Speaker 1: with our guests is a friend, collaborator, Brett Leland McLaughlin.
Speaker 1: And so he does, I don't want to put him
Speaker 1: on too much blast, but I have heard a large
Speaker 1: portion of this project and, You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have done that. I'm not saying that he
Speaker 1: did too much, but I am saying he did just
Speaker 1: enough for me to know that this Troy era is
Speaker 1: the Troy era. I am very, very, very excited that
Speaker 1: you finally arrived here in this moment because I do believe...
Speaker 1: People are going to say a lot of big things
Speaker 1: because people are going to be excited, but I will
Speaker 1: just be... one of the voices saying how exciting it
Speaker 1: is to see our guest who has always done such
Speaker 1: incredible work, like take it in even further and even
Speaker 1: bolder a direction. And I am just incredibly excited for what,
Speaker 1: what is on the horizon. It gave me ray of light,
Speaker 1: which I told him, which is especially in this era
Speaker 1: where Madonna is so top of mind to say something
Speaker 1: that like this, you can't do it lightly.
Speaker 3: That just hit me like a wave, like Tokyo.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And I think our guest is a really special person
Speaker 3: to me. And I'm in a reverie. I'm looking at
Speaker 3: Tweety Bird and I'm Nicole Kinman over here. Let's just
Speaker 3: bring him in. Everyone, please welcome Troy Baby.
Speaker 1: Troy Savana!
Speaker 2: Can I talk?
Speaker 1: Yes. You can talk. You're free to speak.
Speaker 2: Guys, what's up?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: And you can kick that however many times you want.
Speaker 2: I'm going to. We're really... it's pokey i love the
Speaker 2: new studio by the way.
Speaker 1: Thank you do you you look perfect in.
Speaker 2: It really thank you this is actually not my preferred side.
Speaker 1: Do you have do you have one of those.
Speaker 2: I do now yeah it's gotten worse over time.
Speaker 3: What made you why why do you say you do
Speaker 3: now what what brought this.
Speaker 2: On age i think i have i have volume loss
Speaker 2: under my left eye age gave you a side Age
Speaker 2: gave me a side.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You have what under your left eye?
Speaker 2: Volume loss.
Speaker 1: Volume loss.
Speaker 3: Okay, but these are terms that we did not know.
Speaker 2: No, my brain is rotten.
Speaker 1: Tell us.
Speaker 2: Just, I mean, I feel like I have the most
Speaker 2: minor thought about volume loss under my left eye. And
Speaker 2: then I'll open Instagram and there's like a reel about
Speaker 2: volume loss under the left eye and how to fix it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredibly powerful, whatever's happening with the technology that allows,
Speaker 1: it allows your phone to know what you've thought. This happens.
Speaker 2: And I haven't done anything about it yet, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: What's there to do?
Speaker 2: There's a few options. Okay. Filler, which nobody recommends.
Speaker 1: Right, no.
Speaker 2: It's apparently very dangerous to do under your eye. I
Speaker 2: should say I'm not like a medical expert, so don't
Speaker 2: take my advice no matter what.
Speaker 1: You are. It would be incredible if you revealed that
Speaker 1: you were. Yeah, you are.
Speaker 4: Yes, you are.
Speaker 1: I don't like that self-talk.
Speaker 2: You're a Dr. Troy.
Speaker 1: Don't let anyone tell you you're not a medical expert.
Speaker 2: No, so I think that I had a consultation.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And they told me about the filler and then they
Speaker 2: were like, but don't do that. And then they also
Speaker 2: told me that you can do like... plasma whatever and
Speaker 2: I'm like is that real like am I going to
Speaker 2: notice a difference and they were like maybe and I'm
Speaker 2: like no what's like the real deal like how do
Speaker 2: you actually do it and it's unfortunately fat transfer yeah fat.
Speaker 3: Transfer from the eye or to the eye to the
Speaker 3: eye from wherever they can find.
Speaker 1: It they take it from your ass and put it
Speaker 1: under your eye ass.
Speaker 2: Fat under the eye wherever the.
Speaker 3: Fat is sometimes some of us don't have fat.
Speaker 2: There Someone's going to be into that. Like, you like
Speaker 2: this fat ass?
Speaker 1: You like my beautiful eyes? I took stuff from my
Speaker 1: ass to make them even more beautiful. Jesus. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they take fat, they purify it or something,
Speaker 2: and then they put it under your eye. And then it's... Apparently,
Speaker 2: it's for life. And that's what also scares me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is that they... Only, like, a certain percentage of it survives.
Speaker 2: So they overfill with the fat. And then some of it...
Speaker 2: dies in there and what survives is supposed to look
Speaker 2: perfect and smooth and like whatever. And it just sounds
Speaker 2: risky to me.
Speaker 1: It sounds risky to me. Any sort of transfer of
Speaker 1: fat from part of your body to it.
Speaker 2: But then the third option is of course, self-acceptance.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah i thought you were gonna say bag of
Speaker 1: peas when you first said p i thought bag of
Speaker 1: peas i thought you meant just like oh put a
Speaker 1: bag of peas under there like that's what they tell
Speaker 1: you to do like you know just like put a
Speaker 1: bag of ice or like you know whatever just like
Speaker 1: sort of just sleep etc yeah.
Speaker 2: Like anything that's not like upper bluff no just like
Speaker 2: like just do the thing just do the actual thing
Speaker 2: that's going to work like i don't want to i
Speaker 2: don't want to do some weird like A skin cream
Speaker 2: is not going to give me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But it seems like you don't know what the thing,
Speaker 3: the trouble with this is we don't know what the
Speaker 3: thing is.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: When you say like, just do the thing.
Speaker 3: Oh, right.
Speaker 1: But we don't know what the thing is.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's fat transfer, but I just like,
Speaker 2: I just, I can't be bothered.
Speaker 1: But then you got to do that.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Then you get fat transfer under your eyes, which
Speaker 2: just seems like. Such an insane thing to do.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is I do think we as
Speaker 1: a society could benefit from stepping back a little bit
Speaker 1: and being like, what is this? Right. And like, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And sometimes it's like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: talking about like something like salmon sperm. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, which, which again, I heard is like
Speaker 1: salmon sperm. That's, that's pretty whatever. Right. People like it.
Speaker 1: And what is it? Is it an injection?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: See, that's something that I would be a skeptic about.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure it's real.
Speaker 1: Because it's the cum of fish.
Speaker 2: Right, how can that be?
Speaker 1: And we stepped back and it was the cum of
Speaker 1: fish that we were talking about.
Speaker 2: The whole time. Totally, when you zoom out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the cum of humans we put all over the
Speaker 3: fucking place.
Speaker 1: Speak for yourself. So who cares? Speak for yourself, says Troy.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys put it? You guys. Meaning Australians.
Speaker 2: Yes, it goes everywhere.
Speaker 1: It goes everywhere. I mean, I don't know. We put
Speaker 1: it on the face. If it helps. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I will try it if it helps. But
Speaker 1: the thing is..
Speaker 2: It's the only time you get cum on your face
Speaker 2: is if there's a cosmetic benefit.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ever the biggest fan anyway. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are your thoughts on cum? Sometimes it's cool.
Speaker 1: Because you came to Lost Gulch. I did. And here
Speaker 1: we are with our cum questions. I..
Speaker 2: You know... Like, I'm kind of whatever about it.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: I'm not, like, obsessed.
Speaker 1: I've never been like, that was unbelievable. Come.
Speaker 2: I've had that thought.
Speaker 1: No, you know what?
Speaker 2: If the guy is, like, unbelievably hot, and I'm, like,
Speaker 2: falling in love with him, by all means, whatever you want.
Speaker 3: True or false, sometimes guys do, like, perform it too much.
Speaker 1: What, the act of coming?
Speaker 2: Have you ever faked an orgasm?
Speaker 1: I have. I have.
Speaker 2: Tell us about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's different for dick people.
Speaker 2: I know, that's the thing, yeah.
Speaker 1: So this happened about five years ago.
Speaker 2: Do I know him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Whoa. It happened in L.A., and I
Speaker 1: can't come swinging through here with a no with a
Speaker 1: no um but anyway like I I was not bored
Speaker 1: topping but it was kind of just like it wasn't really.
Speaker 3: Happening you can fake it if you're topping yes and.
Speaker 1: So that's why that's how I was able to do
Speaker 1: so is because I was like oh wasn't that.
Speaker 2: Over but then after doesn't he like realize well he.
Speaker 1: Did ask me did you come and I was like
Speaker 1: yeah oh so I said yeah like an older brother
Speaker 1: in a sitcom yeah of course I did anyways.
Speaker 2: He's like why are you talking like that feels like
Speaker 2: you didn't come yeah.
Speaker 1: I commend you for lying. I know. Sometimes lying is cool.
Speaker 1: Sometimes lying is super cool. It's what I need to
Speaker 1: do for survival in that moment. Have you? I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Very similar situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just hedged. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't our first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was like, this is the perfect crime. There's
Speaker 2: no way that he's going to know.
Speaker 1: This is the perfect crime. Because..
Speaker 2: You know, it's like already happened. Yeah. So it's just
Speaker 2: not happening again. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I did a gorgeous performance.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Very convincing, hopefully.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't think you ever knew.
Speaker 1: You're a really good actor. You are a great actor.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about at some point when we move off
Speaker 1: this topic, which I'm still interested in exploring. Hold on.
Speaker 1: And this is my exploration. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Who's to say that we haven't had people fake it
Speaker 3: with us?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. I've had people fake.
Speaker 3: I'm sure statistically speaking, I don't know who, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure someone's faked it with me. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's just how the numbers go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, no. Is that so sad?
Speaker 2: No, I just actually hadn't considered it for myself. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've done it for someone else, but of course no
Speaker 2: one's ever done that for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you're always the exception.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: You may be.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I want to know about your experience with poppers now.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Because you felt the rush and made us all feel
Speaker 1: the rush.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: The thing about poppers over time is they are a
Speaker 1: drug that you inhale and they go right to your
Speaker 1: brain and sort of, I would say, potentially wreck that
Speaker 1: human organ that we need. So where are you at
Speaker 1: with it now? And is fantasy reality?
Speaker 2: Fantasy is definitely reality. I'm not like crazy obsessed, like
Speaker 2: as in it's not that frequent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 2: would say the issue is now it's hard for me
Speaker 2: to be like, in the moment with someone i'm like
Speaker 2: do you like poppers like it just it feels like
Speaker 2: kind of a joke almost or something like that like
Speaker 2: if i if i whip out a bottle.
Speaker 1: Of rush it's like you're mickey mouse totally yeah.
Speaker 2: Totally doing like whatever mickey mouse does you know um
Speaker 2: so yeah.
Speaker 1: Mickey mouse tends to have like a great day yes
Speaker 1: you know what i mean so like you being the
Speaker 1: mickey mouse of poppers actually is perfect.
Speaker 2: Right yeah so it's just like i feel like it
Speaker 2: was maybe cooler before whereas now it's like a little
Speaker 2: bit like wearing a t-shirt or something.
Speaker 1: We know you feel the rush.
Speaker 3: You did not, you're not responsible for the ways that
Speaker 3: we all realize that like, this is maybe like destroying
Speaker 3: our brains in a way that like you wish, you
Speaker 3: wish someone would do that for phones.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, can you tackle that?
Speaker 1: Can you tackle, can you do a song about phones?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Social media addiction.
Speaker 2: I wrote a song about phones once. Um, I think
Speaker 2: I've written two songs about phones.
Speaker 1: Just like, what's the take?
Speaker 2: Hate them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm, I'm really, I do think that all of our
Speaker 2: brains are like turning to mush.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the credit card theory that
Speaker 1: there's a credit card in all of our brains? Whoa.
Speaker 1: That's because of microplastics though. That's not because of social
Speaker 1: media addiction. Right. Yeah. But there's so many things to
Speaker 1: be afraid of.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But some people have good credit.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Was that you feeling the rush? Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did do poppers again for the first time in like,
Speaker 3: I want to say over a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. the other week.
Speaker 2: And I was like, recreationally or sexually?
Speaker 1: Recreationally.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I know I was, I was recreational. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: line is blurred. Sexually.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I mean, it does really, you
Speaker 3: are addicted.
Speaker 1: To, I got addicted to them.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's where you're coming from with this.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
Speaker 2: I forgot this about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now
Speaker 2: I remembered. Yes, you and another person that I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I only know two people and she's a girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rachel Tennant. Yeah. It's possible.
Speaker 2: It's possible.
Speaker 3: It's like when Gaga says, like, people don't realize that
Speaker 3: you can get addicted to marijuana.
Speaker 1: Right. It's that kind of thing. You can get addicted
Speaker 1: to anything. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: You can get addicted to anything that I guess has
Speaker 1: a stimuli that you would then need again. Mm-hmm. my
Speaker 1: strength addiction.
Speaker 2: So Matt, do you, you don't like touch them anymore?
Speaker 1: No, you know what it was? It was kind of
Speaker 1: just like, I, they can be around. It's just that like,
Speaker 1: it has to, well, they can't really be around. The
Speaker 1: guest star has to bring them over. If the guest
Speaker 1: star brings them over, then, then it's good and fine.
Speaker 1: But it's just like, I spent a long time being
Speaker 1: that person that would like wake up in the morning
Speaker 1: and use them to jack off.
Speaker 2: Oh, to jack off.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. I thought you were just saying like with
Speaker 1: a coffee. Oh, no, no, no. Not to like do
Speaker 1: my day. Yeah, yeah. Well, I gotta go get coffee.
Speaker 2: Shh.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, no, it wasn't like that.
Speaker 1: But I think it's, there was like a cultural moment, like,
Speaker 1: and this predated the, the rush moment, but it was like,
Speaker 1: there was a time like in our mid twenties where
Speaker 1: we were just ripping it in bars and clubs, like,
Speaker 1: like even just watching RuPaul's Drag Race.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we would just do it very recreationally. And I,
Speaker 3: and I just came up with a term for, um,
Speaker 3: you know, wake and bake.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: You were yawning yank. Yon and Yank.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yon and Yank.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's really, really good.
Speaker 2: Because it's not just specific to poppers. That's just like
Speaker 2: a thing that people do.
Speaker 1: You don't need poppers to do that.
Speaker 2: Yon and Yank.
Speaker 1: Wow. I love a Yon and Yank.
Speaker 2: I woke up at 3 a.m. this morning because I'm
Speaker 2: jet lagged.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Time shifter.
Speaker 2: I considered it.
Speaker 1: Because it was too early for you.
Speaker 3: It was too early. I don't want to get too personal.
Speaker 2: Right, right.
Speaker 1: Sorry. Time shifter.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't work for you.
Speaker 2: Well, I just sort of do it in my head
Speaker 2: because I used it. It's quite expensive, that app.
Speaker 1: But I think it's worth it. Really?
Speaker 3: You don't lose the day. I will pay any price
Speaker 3: to avoid jet lag.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Not any price, but reasonably. Do you know about this app?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: I attempted to use the Time Shifter app, and it
Speaker 1: didn't work for me as well. I think what I
Speaker 1: try to do is just try to go to sleep
Speaker 1: at night. Right.
Speaker 2: And you don't nap during the day.
Speaker 1: No, not really. I'm not like a napper. It's not
Speaker 1: as easy as that. Yeah, of course you're going to
Speaker 1: try to go to sleep.
Speaker 2: And you follow the rules, like no caffeine at this time.
Speaker 3: Yes, I am supposed to be done with caffeine. Oh,
Speaker 3: get this away from me. I'm supposed to be done
Speaker 3: with caffeine.
Speaker 1: Oh, because you're going to Berlin. I'm going to Berlin tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Have you been to Berlin? Yeah, clearly. Hello.
Speaker 2: We filmed the Rush video there.
Speaker 1: Oh, duh, yeah. Me asking questions. Wait, wasn't Bloom there too?
Speaker 2: No, Bloom was in New York.
Speaker 3: Where was that warehouse? I love that warehouse.
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: No, not Bloom. Sorry, sorry. My, my, my. My, my,
Speaker 1: my was in L.A.
Speaker 3: It looked like Europe to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like a really sort of random like
Speaker 2: power plant.
Speaker 3: And it was rainy.
Speaker 2: It was raining. I don't remember if that was real
Speaker 2: or fake rain. I think it was maybe fake rain.
Speaker 1: I love that video. I love my, my, my. And
Speaker 1: I loved blonde, that you were blonde though, right? Blonde, dark,
Speaker 1: but yet dark Troy.
Speaker 2: Yes. The skinniest person you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 2: Like it was a, it was a crazy vibe I
Speaker 2: had at the time. I'll see pictures of myself and
Speaker 2: be like, whoa, I looked crazy kind of.
Speaker 1: Really? Well, like, okay. So what's like the hair, is
Speaker 1: there a hair logic to you? Like I was blonde
Speaker 1: then because of this, or I have dark hair now
Speaker 1: because of that.
Speaker 2: Not really. I think the only, I mean like the
Speaker 2: closest thing to it is, um, I think like last album,
Speaker 2: even I felt remnants of feeling like I needed to
Speaker 2: step into a role or something like that. And I
Speaker 2: knew that this time I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2: So this feels like, I'm wearing a very cool hat today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you certainly are.
Speaker 2: No noise for the hat so far.
Speaker 1: No, no, no. I love that. I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be worked into the intro. The noise sort
Speaker 1: of happened in the other room. Right, right. Where we
Speaker 1: viewed the video and everything. And I immediately wanted to
Speaker 1: compliment you on what I think is you finding your colors.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Because I recently found out I was in autumn, says Melissa.
Speaker 2: Did you actually do the thing?
Speaker 1: We didn't need, she used her eye. But we need
Speaker 1: to do it. But you wearing things that would suggest
Speaker 1: you've truly found your color.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I think you're a summer. Yeah. That would rock for...
Speaker 1: That would rock.
Speaker 2: I think you're so right. It's not based on personality.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: It's purely aesthetics.
Speaker 1: Purely your color rating. Right. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But would you want to be anything other than a summer, though?
Speaker 2: No, that's why I was so flattered for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought you were saying that about me.
Speaker 1: If someone points to you and says you're a summer.
Speaker 2: It's huge. Love that.
Speaker 3: I think you wrote the best song about... Gay travel.
Speaker 2: Which one?
Speaker 1: What's the time where you are? Oh, yeah. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I really like that song. I
Speaker 2: heard it the other day. The other day I was
Speaker 2: driving home from a shoot and I had such a
Speaker 2: sweet driver who decided that he thought that I would
Speaker 2: want to listen to my own music the whole way home.
Speaker 2: And it was on like... So every time a song
Speaker 2: would end, I would like clench my bum.
Speaker 1: Oh, no.
Speaker 2: So nervous about what is going to play because he was,
Speaker 2: I mean, Spotify or whatever was playing that music was
Speaker 2: like pulling out some absolute wild cards, including like a
Speaker 2: song from the Trolls soundtrack at one point that I
Speaker 2: like forgot that I did.
Speaker 1: Fright Fest.
Speaker 2: And so, but that song came on and I was like,
Speaker 2: this one's actually, I like this song.
Speaker 3: Now, and I have to tell you what is so
Speaker 3: aspirational about that song is every gig I once... some,
Speaker 3: some guy leaving him a voice note. That's like joy, baby.
Speaker 3: baby who did that.
Speaker 2: So i put on my instagram i was like send
Speaker 2: me voice notes of you saying um last night was
Speaker 2: fucking crazy in like your language accent whatever yes and
Speaker 2: that guy like failed the assignment but just sent me
Speaker 2: a voice note anyway like just like a general like
Speaker 2: what's up one and he started it with joy baby
Speaker 2: like he was like talking and um dreamy it's actually
Speaker 2: iconic he basically so i used it in that song
Speaker 2: you used it in supernatural well so i use it
Speaker 2: first and once a time where you are and we
Speaker 2: got like a because everything obviously has to go through
Speaker 2: the label so it's like you do like a license
Speaker 2: or whatever for the for using his recording then it
Speaker 2: came time to use it again because i was like
Speaker 2: i'm gonna make this like my tag and he was
Speaker 2: like Yes, I would love that. $ 50 million. Not actually,
Speaker 2: but he was like, this is my opportunity to cash in.
Speaker 2: This is what I've said is worth.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And we did pay him. We paid him for it.
Speaker 1: $ 50 million?
Speaker 2: Not $ 50 million, but not far off.
Speaker 1: But he'll be fine for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: Totally, yeah.
Speaker 3: And his children and his children's children.
Speaker 1: And his children's children.
Speaker 2: And then I didn't use it on the new album.
Speaker 2: So I've got this very expensive Sample.
Speaker 1: Single use.
Speaker 2: I tried to recreate it. Like I tried to do
Speaker 2: it because if you just re-record it, then it's my recording,
Speaker 2: not his anymore.
Speaker 1: Your master's.
Speaker 2: My master, exactly. So I tried to do it. And
Speaker 2: so I'm like in the mic like, Troy baby. And
Speaker 2: it just like..
Speaker 1: That sounded good.
Speaker 2: It didn't have the same vibe. I could feel something
Speaker 2: was off.
Speaker 3: Would it be legally sound for you to do another
Speaker 3: open call for people to send in their version of
Speaker 3: Troy baby?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And we would just... like tighten up the legal in
Speaker 2: the front half of that. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like on the front end.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, this is where, this is where
Speaker 3: you can either it's, it's make or break for your lawyers.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: Like if they, if they can make this work, they're staying.
Speaker 1: You know what? I just decided you don't even have
Speaker 1: to ask me. We don't have to do any legal stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it to you right now. There
Speaker 1: you go. Quiet, quiet, quiet on set.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Okay, you didn't have the consonants.
Speaker 1: It was a little too much. I'm going to go.
Speaker 1: Quiet on set.
Speaker 3: Troy, baby.
Speaker 2: It's French?
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because maybe there was a little too much sauce
Speaker 1: on the... Oh, you're giving me notes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that okay?
Speaker 1: We're trying to help each other here book Troy.
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Speaker 2: it sounds like you have to really try like to
Speaker 2: say it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Coming pretty naturally to me.
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Go for it. Be my guest.
Speaker 1: Try to say it right now. Oh my God. Tro.
Speaker 1: I love the new song. I think it sounds correctamundo.
Speaker 1: I think it sounds correctamundo.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's really chic.
Speaker 1: Correctamundo for sure.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like it a lot.
Speaker 3: Wait, what was I going to ask you? Oh, um,
Speaker 3: Time shifter. Just try it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Try it, Tro.
Speaker 2: I'll give it a go.
Speaker 1: Are you going to be... Is it about to be
Speaker 1: international moments?
Speaker 2: No, because I moved to New York yesterday.
Speaker 1: Fully moved?
Speaker 2: I mean, I brought like three suitcases. I'm here for..
Speaker 1: You're here.
Speaker 2: I'm here till November.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you said..
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm traveling because of like album stuff, but
Speaker 2: I'm like basing myself here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But you're doing the thing that every gay guy does,
Speaker 3: which is..
Speaker 2: Come to the phone.
Speaker 1: I live here now. Oh, right, right. And then you're like, great,
Speaker 1: let's hang out. I'm in L.A. I'm in L.A. until 2027.
Speaker 2: Totally. I know that I'm like, I'm not really moving.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm giving it a go. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: Really, really try, Tro.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because... All right, Bo. Well, we were saying with Terry,
Speaker 1: is your husband in any other city? We don't know.
Speaker 1: But likelihoods go up of husbands being..
Speaker 2: I have theories.
Speaker 1: In the city when we're talking about New York.
Speaker 4: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Share your theories.
Speaker 2: If I had to guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think London. I think he's in London.
Speaker 1: You think your husband's in London?
Speaker 2: I think so. The British sensibility, sense of humor. I
Speaker 2: just like when I'm there, I feel very comfortable. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And at home, I like the vibes. Next, Melbourne.
Speaker 1: You think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My family's there.
Speaker 1: Home is home.
Speaker 2: It would be very convenient.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then New York. And then a million other cities. And
Speaker 2: then LA.
Speaker 1: But in terms of American cities, you think New York
Speaker 1: is offering the most husband potential.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And this is not me saying like personality wise or
Speaker 2: anything like that. I just, I'm just like thinking logistically,
Speaker 2: like practically, I think it would be hard. I would love, like,
Speaker 2: I feel no attachment to living in either LA or
Speaker 2: New York. Like it sounds very nice to me to
Speaker 2: like live in Seattle or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, It's more just like, if I'm being real with myself, like,
Speaker 2: is that going to work?
Speaker 1: LA was practical because it was kind of the closest
Speaker 1: to Australia.
Speaker 2: I just sort of thought that I had to live there.
Speaker 2: That's what was so mind blowing. I came to New
Speaker 2: York like a couple of months ago. I was supposed
Speaker 2: to be here for 10 days. And then my friends
Speaker 2: who have a place here, they, they were away and
Speaker 2: they were like, just go stay for as long as
Speaker 2: you want. And so I stayed here for like five
Speaker 2: weeks and I was so productive. I worked. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I didn't really realize that this
Speaker 2: was like an option. I thought that I had to
Speaker 2: live in LA and I don't think I do.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, I like LA, but.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I'm moving there in January.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 3: Well, just to be with my bi-coastal girl.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He has now sort of, for the first time, started
Speaker 1: to wrap his head around the idea of this very thing,
Speaker 1: which is, well, I thought I had to live in
Speaker 1: a certain place.
Speaker 3: And I had to live in New York for the
Speaker 3: past years.
Speaker 2: Oh, you actually did, though.
Speaker 1: Literally.
Speaker 3: And now I'm like, oh, wait, I don't have to
Speaker 3: be here in the fucking dead of winter.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: But are you on the husband hunt?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you are a more romantic person now.
Speaker 1: then you may be led on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm like a very sensitive person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like you give kisses to the air just there. It
Speaker 1: showed how romantic you were.
Speaker 2: Very sweet like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely, yeah, of course. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: also 31.
Speaker 1: Correctamundo. Correctamundo.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, it's a funny story. I'm nervous that
Speaker 2: he's going to listen to this. If he does, it's
Speaker 2: totally fine because I'm saying this with love. I went
Speaker 2: on a few dates and had a sort of like
Speaker 2: very strong emotional connection, I would say, with a guy
Speaker 2: who works in finance. And I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 2: He has no idea what's going on. And I love
Speaker 2: that about him. But there's a point. And it was
Speaker 2: after Coachella. And he was like, did you see that
Speaker 2: Madonna came out with Sabrina Carpenter? He was like, I
Speaker 2: thought that Madonna was dead.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 2: There's a point.
Speaker 1: That's the point.
Speaker 2: That's a point, right?
Speaker 1: Oh no, you can't, you can't do that.
Speaker 2: Like, I can't.
Speaker 1: I thought Madonna was dead. You can't tell someone, you
Speaker 1: can't tell someone, oh, actually Madonna is alive and then
Speaker 1: continue a relationship.
Speaker 2: He was like, I thought she was like an old, old,
Speaker 2: old artist. Right. Like, I guess because the name sort
Speaker 2: of gives that, right?
Speaker 1: We need to get him to the dance-a-teria first of all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He needs to be educated ASAP about just how alive
Speaker 1: she is.
Speaker 2: But I just want to say, just in case he
Speaker 2: does watch it, that guy's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course he is. He's the best. He actually
Speaker 1: sounds like an incredible person, and I really do think
Speaker 1: there is another world where it happens. It's just that
Speaker 1: for the people in this room... You just can't date
Speaker 1: someone who's like, I didn't know Madonna was alive.
Speaker 2: At least not right now. Maybe when I slow down
Speaker 2: with like music and stuff like that, and I don't
Speaker 2: need someone to like bounce off of in the way
Speaker 2: that I do right now. I think the person has
Speaker 2: to know that Madonna's alive.
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Speaker 1: Troy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Tro. Correctamundo. Correctamundo.
Speaker 3: Tro, would you recommend other people go into the fragrance business?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: Because Greta and I want to start a new fragrance.
Speaker 1: Do you? Do you?
Speaker 3: We want to start a fragrance line called Faja.
Speaker 1: Faja? From Austin Powers Goldmember. Yeah. What would it smell like? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it would be..
Speaker 2: It sounds expensive.
Speaker 1: Faja.
Speaker 3: Faja doesn't... But it's goofy. Okay.
Speaker 1: But it's chic. It's like a comedian fragrance. It's a
Speaker 1: comedian fragrance. Got it. You know what I mean? I
Speaker 1: want to release one which is just... It's a blue
Speaker 1: bottle and it's just the shape of my body and
Speaker 1: I'm just like this. And it's called Bold.
Speaker 2: Gorgeous. I love that. I wouldn't lead with the comedian
Speaker 2: fragrance thing that, that like it was chic in my head.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it smells good.
Speaker 2: I just feel like, like sweaty standup. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Came to my mind.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 2: Like nervous sweat.
Speaker 1: Nervous sweat standup.
Speaker 3: But wait, you've, you've told us a million times, but
Speaker 3: how did you come up with, with what was the,
Speaker 3: what's the name origin of Sulane?
Speaker 2: It's okay. So the name it's Yiddish. And even I get,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I, I get, nervous to say it for
Speaker 2: other people because i'm like i know how to say
Speaker 2: it but i just i don't want to make.
Speaker 3: People don't don't think about other people.
Speaker 2: I know right so so it's yiddish it's and it
Speaker 2: means to long years it's like a.
Speaker 1: Toast to long years oh i love that.
Speaker 2: When someone sneezes yes yeah when someone sneezes you say
Speaker 2: which just means like bless you yeah i think and
Speaker 2: that means to health and so then there's too long
Speaker 2: years and um And I did it with my brother
Speaker 2: and it was all about like family and heritage. And
Speaker 2: we were like, you know what? Till like many, many years.
Speaker 2: This is the one who now has two kids. I
Speaker 2: was like to many years of like this vibe.
Speaker 1: You are an artist. Wow.
Speaker 2: Thank you. You are.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Even just you talking about that. I have. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this is, this is what I wanted to reveal
Speaker 1: because I don't think there's lore that people don't know.
Speaker 1: So I have been in the recording studio with Troy.
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to bring it up.
Speaker 1: I was finishing my album. Have you heard of Christmas?
Speaker 1: The week. that the Rush music video was coming out.
Speaker 1: So we were all on what I referred to at
Speaker 1: the time and sometimes still do as The Compound at Leland's.
Speaker 1: And you were there and it was so exciting because
Speaker 1: it was coming out and we were literally putting my
Speaker 1: album together and Troy's voice is all over my album.
Speaker 2: It is. First of all, I might get in trouble
Speaker 2: because I was signed at the time. Fuck him. I...
Speaker 2: There's this weird like lull before something comes out where
Speaker 2: like the rush video was done. Everything is done. And
Speaker 2: so I'm like kind of free for a week, you know?
Speaker 2: And cause I'm not even really doing press yet. Cause
Speaker 2: it's not out yet. You know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: so I was just chilling at the compound all the time.
Speaker 2: And you guys are making this gorgeous Christmas album. And I,
Speaker 2: if I'm at Leland's house and he's working, I like
Speaker 2: almost 100% of the time will insert myself into his work. job,
Speaker 2: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Which is wonderful.
Speaker 2: So I love doing a little like sneaky writing for
Speaker 2: X or Y or whatever. It's like very fun for me.
Speaker 2: And you were writing this gorgeous Christmas album and you
Speaker 2: needed some background vocals and you were amazing. And we
Speaker 2: were vocal producing you and I remember giving you notes.
Speaker 1: The best was, so there's like, I had like nine
Speaker 1: songs I was doing and there was three where we
Speaker 1: were writing kind of new. And so we were, there's
Speaker 1: one called Rum Pum Pum. And I pitch, I like
Speaker 1: sort of come in with my idea of what it is.
Speaker 1: And then it's Leland and Troy. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: here we go. Like, if I can't do it for them,
Speaker 1: I can't do it for anyone. So I do it.
Speaker 1: And they're like, mm-hmm. I leave the room. I come back.
Speaker 1: And Troy's got the cans in his hand. And I'm like, oh, Troy.
Speaker 1: Troy basically vocal produced Rum Pum Pum. So cool. With Brett.
Speaker 1: Rum Pum Pum. It's the one that's like, shake that
Speaker 1: fat Christmas ass. Let it go. Hit the snow.
Speaker 3: Oh, my god.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I remember this.
Speaker 1: Rum Pum Pum.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: It goes like that. It's like my banger. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: girls throw ass at my shows when Rum Pum Pum
Speaker 1: comes on. You have to come see it.
Speaker 3: Are you vocally on that or are you producing?
Speaker 2: Am I vocally on.
Speaker 1: Rum Pum Pum? You are. You're vocally on Every Christmas Eve,
Speaker 1: which is my song from the perspective of Mrs. Claus.
Speaker 2: What's the gorgeous ballad?
Speaker 1: You Still Make It Rain on Christmas. Oh, I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on that. And then he's on Rum Pum Pum,
Speaker 1: which he's responsible for a lot of my vocal take
Speaker 1: in that. Troye Sivan. And I was like, can I
Speaker 1: credit Troye Sivan in the notes? And they were like, no,
Speaker 1: he's a signed artist elsewhere. He can't. So it's only
Speaker 1: now that we reveal.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 3: I have to insert myself in this beautiful moment for
Speaker 3: both of you. I don't know if you remember this,
Speaker 3: but Matt and I got into a huge fight over
Speaker 3: FaceTime that week.
Speaker 1: You weren't there at the time. You weren't there at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there, but I do remember.
Speaker 1: But you heard about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard about it.
Speaker 1: This was when I was going through a fucking..
Speaker 3: Breakdown because I was flying back and forth shooting Wicked
Speaker 3: and doing SNL and it was in the summer but
Speaker 3: I was like I have to get on medication it
Speaker 3: was an important time that was that was a that was.
Speaker 1: A moment in the culture like we were in Matt
Speaker 1: and Bowen fighting I was just like so much was
Speaker 1: going on with you and I was doing this thing
Speaker 1: and then literally in the next room Troy was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess the Rush music video is coming out in
Speaker 1: three hours. And we were like, this is so exciting.
Speaker 1: And someone made lasagna? Dave Mazzoni came over and made
Speaker 1: lasagna for us all. So nice.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Amazing memory, both of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, Henry Kapurski, who wrote all of
Speaker 1: my Christmas music with me, is the saxophone on... The saxophonist,
Speaker 1: if you will. The saxophonist on your album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, on How to Stay With You, on my
Speaker 2: last album.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Love. Yes, yes, I knew that. And it doesn't end there,
Speaker 1: because you also, and this is what I wanted to
Speaker 1: say earlier, because this movie needs its flowers. You're the
Speaker 1: star of three months, which is Jared Freider's writing and
Speaker 1: directorial debut. And that's on Paramount Plus now. And you
Speaker 1: are fantastic. You're so good.
Speaker 2: And then Jared wins Gay Guy Normal, right?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: He won Best Gay Guy Normal. And I believe, did
Speaker 1: you win Best Gay Guy Famous?
Speaker 2: I think I've won it before, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I get offended every time I'm not nominated.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to be offended. But people generally
Speaker 1: take it, you take it personally. And I understand why.
Speaker 1: Very much so.
Speaker 2: Especially because I've been nominated before. So I was like,
Speaker 2: what did I do? Between last year and this year.
Speaker 1: I guess, why don't we see how the album goes? Wow.
Speaker 3: Would you be okay if you were nominated and would
Speaker 3: win another category? That's not gay guy at all. That's like,
Speaker 3: oh my God, like best hat wearer, Troye Sivan.
Speaker 1: Is hats going to be a big part of the rollout?
Speaker 2: TBD. Today's literally day one. Like you guys are one
Speaker 2: of my first interviews.
Speaker 1: I love wearing a hat. I think this feels like
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Does it really?
Speaker 1: You need to look into Ziggy Chen.
Speaker 2: It's that weird thing where I put it on and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I look at myself in the mirror and
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this? It's really good.
Speaker 1: It's you.
Speaker 2: Do I believe myself?
Speaker 1: Yes. It's not wearing you.
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
Speaker 1: Well, nothing does. No, you look at everything.
Speaker 2: No, when I wear it forwards, it's wearing me.
Speaker 1: Can we say that or no?
Speaker 2: I mean, all of a sudden I'm like. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like this. Now it's giving actor. The other one
Speaker 1: was giving musician. This is a musician.
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: The other way was an actor.
Speaker 2: Wow i know yeah i mean it's like immediately i
Speaker 2: want to like do a british accent or something like
Speaker 2: that when it's on the yeah so.
Speaker 3: You do want a british boyfriend i just think.
Speaker 2: They're funny they're very british irish whatever like yeah you
Speaker 2: know like funny.
Speaker 3: Funny and they funny in a way that we're like
Speaker 3: they don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: They don't give a shit at all yeah i can
Speaker 2: like get a beer with someone that i've just met
Speaker 2: and immediately we're like off to the races shooting the shit. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I went on one day with a British guy in
Speaker 3: the UK and was like, Oh, this is, this is
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard from him.
Speaker 1: The way they describe things is very, very fun. Enchanting.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of my favorite things about
Speaker 1: dating a Brit was the descriptions of things in, in
Speaker 1: their slang is very, it's, it's always entertaining.
Speaker 2: There's also a, um, there's kind of like a, chillness,
Speaker 2: a baseline chillness that I respond really well to. I find,
Speaker 2: no offense, Americans, I had this issue when I first
Speaker 2: moved to LA where people, I heard from like two
Speaker 2: or three people, or I heard from other people about
Speaker 2: those people that they thought that I didn't like them.
Speaker 1: Because you're chill.
Speaker 2: And I was appalled because I... One of them I
Speaker 2: actually didn't like. The other ones I did.
Speaker 1: You were like, God, I'm not doing a good job
Speaker 1: of faking it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But it upset me because I was like,
Speaker 2: I hope that I'm not giving like this rancid vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that British people wouldn't get it mixed up.
Speaker 2: I just think that there's like a way, especially in
Speaker 2: LA of like, you know, the vibe where it's like
Speaker 2: you meet someone 10 minutes before and then they're like,
Speaker 2: we have to go to Palm Springs. We got a
Speaker 2: Joshua tree together. You know what I mean? And it's like,
Speaker 2: to me that is such a terrifying idea and prospect
Speaker 2: and so i would never say that to.
Speaker 1: Anyone that is very american saying i love you at
Speaker 1: the end of a conversation where you just met i'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with.
Speaker 2: You i love you like i i really like that
Speaker 2: i like the idea of it but i just don't
Speaker 2: feel it in my heart so i don't i don't
Speaker 2: say it like i don't do that and i think.
Speaker 1: That um right I don't feel it in my heart,
Speaker 1: so I don't say it. I don't do that. But
Speaker 1: there's no Aussie or British equivalent to that, you think?
Speaker 1: Of like, oh, you're lovely.
Speaker 2: I just, I can't imagine, I think an Australian would
Speaker 2: be like, why are you being like so full on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like it's, I think if anything, maybe, and maybe this
Speaker 2: was the issue, maybe there's like a standoffish thing where
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you want to be super friendly
Speaker 2: and polite. Yeah. And part of being polite is that
Speaker 2: you don't want to make the person feel like attacked
Speaker 2: or like, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And so you just want to be like kind of chill.
Speaker 3: No, everyone, everyone treats everyone like, like British culture is like,
Speaker 3: it's like everyone's a cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And like in American culture, everyone's a dog.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The one and only time I went to Australia, I
Speaker 1: actually saw you there because it was World Pride. Yes.
Speaker 1: And I went to that restaurant. That place was so good.
Speaker 2: The Italian one?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that place. I was there like three days ago.
Speaker 1: Literally. And everyone there is so, it's like you're saying,
Speaker 1: everyone there is so kind. And the one thing I
Speaker 1: loved the most about being in Sydney for World Pride
Speaker 1: is how excited they were to be hosting Pride.
Speaker 2: So cool.
Speaker 1: Who performed that? Was it Kylie? It was Kylie. Kylie.
Speaker 1: And it was major.
Speaker 2: Major.
Speaker 1: And it was just, there was a citywide, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I was necessarily in a gay part. It
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that. It was like everyone in the
Speaker 1: city is proud that it's hosting gay pride. And then
Speaker 1: it also didn't feel like an overwhelming party-like celebration. It
Speaker 1: felt more joyous and jovial and everyone was included. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's speaking to this thing. It didn't feel too much.
Speaker 1: It felt like a lot of enough. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, Mardi Gras didn't like pride didn't get politicized
Speaker 2: in the same way that it has in like the
Speaker 2: U S I feel like, like the whole city really, really,
Speaker 2: really gets around it. It's really, it's very special.
Speaker 1: It's not like a topic that's taboo, like whether or
Speaker 1: not we're going to, you know, speak about who in
Speaker 1: this community is actually deserving of this treatment or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, no, and like people, like
Speaker 2: everyone comes to the parade cause it's fun and you know,
Speaker 2: like it's not like, A thing like that.
Speaker 1: It's not like a statement.
Speaker 2: Not at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, speaking of Australia, which is where you're birthed from,
Speaker 1: we should go to the beginning and ask you the question, really.
Speaker 1: The central question of this podcast, which is, Troye Sivan,
Speaker 1: what was the culture that made you say culture was
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 2: I think it was seeing Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge.
Speaker 2: Because I was young enough to... that I found the
Speaker 2: first 10 minutes of the movie scary. Like I was
Speaker 2: like afraid because it's like, it's a panic.
Speaker 1: It's a cut every half second.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy. And I remember I was watching it
Speaker 2: with my mom and I was like, I don't like this.
Speaker 2: And then once it calms down and you start to
Speaker 2: get into the story and I saw Nicole giving this
Speaker 2: performance that's like perfectly nuanced, but also kind of like
Speaker 2: camp sometimes when she's like, you know, when she's like,
Speaker 2: like all that stuff, I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: And then the songs. And I was like, Oh, something
Speaker 2: interesting is happening in my spirit right now. And actually
Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why, because my other answer
Speaker 2: for that question was going to be, Nicole talking about
Speaker 2: Tweety Bird on this podcast.
Speaker 1: You didn't like culture until then.
Speaker 2: There was a hint of sateen in there. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The breathiness. She was beginning to have, she was feeling
Speaker 1: the frisson.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Totally. She was like overcome in the same way that,
Speaker 2: you know, so I recognized a little bit of what
Speaker 2: made me like fall in love with her. Wow.
Speaker 3: Which is like, um, a campiness, but like something so
Speaker 3: inviting and she's always been inviting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So warm.
Speaker 3: Even though she presents sometimes as like statuesque and like
Speaker 3: impervious and like icy, but not icy, but just like,
Speaker 3: you're just like, whoa, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: But she's warm. She invites you in.
Speaker 2: She is. I asked her to do the music video.
Speaker 2: So good. And I was on a FaceTime call or Zoom, sorry.
Speaker 2: And I made a joke to the person that I
Speaker 2: was on Zoom with because my phone started to ring
Speaker 2: and it was an unknown number. And I was like,
Speaker 2: without any context to the person, I was like, if
Speaker 2: this is Nicole Kim and I'm going to have to
Speaker 2: leave the call. Right. And then I wasn't going to answer.
Speaker 2: I thought I was just sort of being like funny. Um,
Speaker 2: and then, you know how Apple does the like voice
Speaker 2: note as it's coming in. I see. Hi, darling, Troy.
Speaker 2: It's Nick. And I was like, Oh, and you knew
Speaker 2: I slammed my laptop close, answered the phone. And she
Speaker 2: was like, I just watched your video. Cause I, I
Speaker 2: made a video, you know, asking her to do it.
Speaker 2: And I listened to the song and, I would love
Speaker 2: to do it. And then I was, I was silent
Speaker 2: because I was waiting for a butt.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was a butt that never came. And she
Speaker 2: was like, I, I'm so down. Like I, she was
Speaker 2: just the sweetest in the world. And then it was
Speaker 2: like the funnest day ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How long have you been connected to her? Was
Speaker 1: it before Boy Erased?
Speaker 2: No, Boy Erased.
Speaker 1: It was Boy Erased.
Speaker 2: So we did Boy Erased. I don't remember what year
Speaker 2: that was. Maybe like 2018.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, I met her for the first time there. Um,
Speaker 2: And I mean, especially as an Australian, like she's just everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Truly everything.
Speaker 3: And, and, and can we just put some, some respect
Speaker 3: on Baz? Yes.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Always Baz. Always Baz.
Speaker 2: Love his vibe.
Speaker 1: He is the kook of all kooks.
Speaker 2: 100%. Yeah. I love him.
Speaker 1: And apparently, I guess.
Speaker 3: I can't really talk about this, but he, and I
Speaker 3: totally forgot about it, but after the Taylor wedding.
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Multiple texts of people being like, so you and Baz, like,
Speaker 3: were like, fighting each other in a way that like.
Speaker 2: At the wedding, you fought?
Speaker 1: Baz and, Baz has a bit with me. Oh, you bitch. Exactly.
Speaker 3: He'll run up to me at something. If we're at
Speaker 3: the same place, he'd be like.
Speaker 1: Oh, you bitch. Oh, you bitch. And then he'll just like,
Speaker 1: say that like.
Speaker 2: I really want to do that.
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 2: I really want to do that. Like next time I
Speaker 2: see you.
Speaker 1: To me anyone can do this with me I actually
Speaker 1: I love them and I black out because I'm just
Speaker 1: like having a blast.
Speaker 2: Totally how do you respond I'm just like I start
Speaker 2: laughing and I'm like yes Baz it's me I'm so
Speaker 2: so yes I am I'm such a bitch to you
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: Play along with it but I just throw my hands
Speaker 1: up we gotta get him in here I think he
Speaker 1: would thrive on our set he would thrive on our
Speaker 1: set there's so many things that's a good guess you
Speaker 1: know what I mean what's this he's superb Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh my God. And such a character.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's what, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I had a, I had a zoom with him once.
Speaker 2: That was the first time I actually met him. And he,
Speaker 2: he does this iconic thing on his Instagram where he,
Speaker 2: have you seen, he covers the camera and he says
Speaker 2: action and he starts filming himself. And it's so amazing.
Speaker 2: I have not seen this on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Action.
Speaker 2: It's perfect. And so I, I'm so nervous because I'm
Speaker 2: about to do a zoom with Baz Luhrmann. And as
Speaker 2: I said, we learned, we were just like, Formative experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I get on the zoom and it's like, uh,
Speaker 2: it's a weird blank screen, but I can tell that
Speaker 2: it's not a digital blank screen. Like it's not, the
Speaker 2: video is not paused or anything like that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: why is it moving? I realized it's a piece of paper.
Speaker 1: I was going to say it's a piece of paper.
Speaker 2: Being held up in front of the camera. And for
Speaker 2: the zoom, he goes, action. And it was truly one
Speaker 2: of the best moments of my life.
Speaker 3: Like that saying, like my life, a movie, like everyone's life,
Speaker 3: a movie. Everyone's life, a movie when Baz is in
Speaker 3: the space.
Speaker 1: That's rule of culture number 19. Everyone's life, a movie
Speaker 1: when Baz is in the space. I won't even talk
Speaker 1: to people who say they don't like Moulin Rouge. I'm like, okay, great.
Speaker 1: You've told me everything I need to know.
Speaker 2: I've never heard that.
Speaker 1: People, in the context of Baz Luhrmann films? No, just
Speaker 1: like people who, I don't know, there's like an opinionated
Speaker 1: flavor of person that's just like, they think it's too
Speaker 1: chaotic for its own good. Interesting. That's the point. I
Speaker 1: really do, I mean, I get it. If you're sitting
Speaker 1: in front of it and you just don't like watching it, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, but
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: It's a classic example of when some, when people point
Speaker 3: out a thing that they don't like about a specific work,
Speaker 3: it's like, that's the point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The point is that it's chaotic.
Speaker 3: The point is that there's like random song choices that
Speaker 3: then get translated to the musical version on Broadway. It's like,
Speaker 3: It is on purpose. And if you don't like it,
Speaker 3: then that's fine. Then it's good that you recognize that
Speaker 3: you don't like it. Like move along.
Speaker 1: But it's a lot better for our culture that we
Speaker 1: have it. I can't see the fabric of pop culture
Speaker 1: without it, to be honest with you. Like I remember
Speaker 1: the soundtrack album.
Speaker 2: Lady Marmalade.
Speaker 1: Lady Marmalade. I mean, just it has dimension as a project.
Speaker 1: And he is responsible for creating all of the dimensions
Speaker 1: of that, especially on something that exists in culture. Yes.
Speaker 1: that then he then explodes like it's just what it's
Speaker 1: injected with is so unique to him and so vital
Speaker 1: to everything else in the pop culture ecosystem and it
Speaker 1: really did make him an international yeah and he's australian.
Speaker 3: Brand he's australian yeah and it was the first time
Speaker 3: so like i like kind of sheltered ish culturally like
Speaker 3: did not grow up with like marilyn monroe movies or
Speaker 3: like David Bowie albums. Like it was the first time
Speaker 3: I heard like heroes. It was the first time I
Speaker 3: heard like diamonds are gold's best friend. I was like,
Speaker 3: it was like, it was, it is a perfect, yeah. Right.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's, it's a, that's, it's a perfect answer
Speaker 3: for the question, which is what is the culture that
Speaker 3: made you say cultures for me? It's like, it is
Speaker 3: a perfect like sampling menu. Yes.
Speaker 2: It's an entry point.
Speaker 1: There's also something about giving a truly crazy performance in
Speaker 1: the blank like that. Like, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: she is taking the space as the lead of that
Speaker 1: movie and giving a batshit performance. And there's no scoring
Speaker 1: or anything that's telling her, like, yeah, you're matching the tone. Like,
Speaker 1: they're creating a tone together and also totally underrated Jim Broadbent.
Speaker 1: So good. Jim Broadbent and Moulin Rouge.
Speaker 2: Wait, who is that?
Speaker 1: Ziegler. Ziegler. Like absolutely tearing it up, like doing something
Speaker 1: that had to feel nuts in the room. I know.
Speaker 1: But you have to just.
Speaker 2: I've never thought about that. That is so fascinating to
Speaker 2: me that like they all, how did they all know?
Speaker 2: They all must have really seen the wood from the trees.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess testament to a good director.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, this is going to be mega.
Speaker 1: Scream. This is a fat boy slim song. Yeah. Like, Can, can, can.
Speaker 3: It's the can, can, but it's like a 90s remake.
Speaker 3: It's like so crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he does it, and then his, because
Speaker 1: you can, can, can! Becomes iconic.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 3: So fucking good. Wait, I would say, is the new
Speaker 3: music a little Fatboy Slim coded?
Speaker 2: A little bit, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was saying Marcy Playground, like late 90s, like grunge pop.
Speaker 2: There's moments of that for sure, yeah. I mean, it's like, I...
Speaker 2: I do feel like this album, I wanted it to
Speaker 2: feel a little like, first of all, chaotic because I
Speaker 2: think my life feels a little bit chaotic. And, and, um,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I wanted it to have layers, but then
Speaker 2: also I do feel like this is the most like
Speaker 2: potent distillation of the references, musical references that have made
Speaker 2: me the person that I am. There's like, all of
Speaker 2: it is in there for me. And maybe, who knows?
Speaker 2: It might be honestly like, maybe people are going to
Speaker 2: be like, I don't, what is this kind of thing?
Speaker 2: But I can listen through and, like, identify, honestly, like,
Speaker 2: moments in my life where I'm like, this sweetness of
Speaker 2: this melody reminds me of the first time that I heard, like,
Speaker 2: Together Again by Janet Jackson. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: That's really, really, really. So, yes. It's, like, it's all
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: Like, I think you've been able to really... not bypass,
Speaker 3: but it's like, you don't, you've never had to do
Speaker 3: the thing that pop stars do, which is that we're
Speaker 3: requiring them to do now in a way where it's like.
Speaker 1: What's the authentic you.
Speaker 3: It's like, you've, you've kind of been that the whole
Speaker 3: time so that you've, I don't think you've ever had
Speaker 3: to earn this album, which is, these are the references
Speaker 3: that truly define me.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think in a way it's like a relief because, um, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of going to keep doing that exact thing.
Speaker 2: I think the whole Kia Asylum thing doesn't really get
Speaker 2: said about boys that much. I don't think, right?
Speaker 1: Because there aren't that many of them.
Speaker 2: I think it's sort of like a spectrum of how
Speaker 2: much people nitpick at you. And I think that pop
Speaker 2: girls have it really bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that it's like insane. Um, then like the
Speaker 2: straight boys, they might like talk shit about you online,
Speaker 2: but either the straight boys just don't care, which is
Speaker 2: hilarious and kind of amazing, honestly. Um, or they, or
Speaker 2: they don't get it as, as bad. You know, like
Speaker 2: I do think that like straight boys can get away
Speaker 2: with releasing stuff that like, if a queer artist or
Speaker 2: a female artist released it, I just think that they
Speaker 2: would get kind of like ripped to shreds. Um, and so, yeah, I,
Speaker 2: I think that for queer artists, it's like, or for,
Speaker 2: I guess, gay guy artists, there's, uh, it's, it's a
Speaker 2: weird like middle ground almost between the two where it's like,
Speaker 2: no one is expecting me to, you know, they're not
Speaker 2: holding me to the standards. I don't think of like
Speaker 2: a pop girl where it's like, I mean, I do,
Speaker 2: I was going to say something about like my body.
Speaker 2: I do get that a lot. Um, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the, the like reinvention of it all
Speaker 2: is not necessarily expected from like male artists. Like I
Speaker 2: think that male artists can kind of release the same
Speaker 2: album a bunch of times and like, no one seems
Speaker 2: to be too fast. Like it'll do well. Um, Whereas
Speaker 2: I think female artists, there's this insane expectation to reinvent
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: There's like a risk assessment that's like different depending on
Speaker 3: who the artist is. Certainly along like gendered lines, but
Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm not, I'm even like removing the gender
Speaker 3: of it, but like, I mean, it's good that you're
Speaker 3: acknowledging that, but.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 3: You've never had to like, you've given people what they've wanted.
Speaker 3: And I feel like people have been very satisfied and
Speaker 3: like thankful for that.
Speaker 1: But you're right.
Speaker 3: Like I think, the expectation for like a female artist
Speaker 3: is to like have them reinvent and therefore do something risky.
Speaker 3: And if it fails, then it's like off to the
Speaker 3: asylum you go.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Also another thing that for me personally, just the way
Speaker 2: that I feel about it is like, I have never
Speaker 2: had a, like, I think the only song that I've
Speaker 2: ever really had chart even close to like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it was maybe number 15 or something like
Speaker 2: that was youth. My first album. Yes. And, I love
Speaker 2: my life and you know what I mean? So like, I,
Speaker 2: I don't, my metric of kind of like what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to do, I is not really informed by that.
Speaker 2: So I'm yeah. I, maybe I don't feel it as
Speaker 2: much because I'm not like, I honest to God could
Speaker 2: not tell you what, like my first week sales, I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you anyone's. I don't, I like, I've just
Speaker 2: never really been like numbers minded when it comes to
Speaker 2: music stuff. Um, So that's also maybe a thing where
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel okay about it no matter what.
Speaker 2: I think to me, the heartbreaking thing, like rather than
Speaker 2: it only sold however many thousand or whatever would be
Speaker 2: if it went by without any sort of like cultural impact. Exactly.
Speaker 2: That would be the heartbreaking, I would be devastated. Like,
Speaker 2: what am I doing this for? If not to kind
Speaker 2: of like, at least just give, you know, cause I
Speaker 2: think back to those moments of like, first time I
Speaker 2: watched Moulin Rouge or the first time I saw like,
Speaker 2: the dirty video by Christina Aguilera or whatever. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like those things, those sort of moments,
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the idea of being able to try
Speaker 2: and give that to people, you know, where like they
Speaker 2: remember the sweat tour forever or, you know, like whatever,
Speaker 2: the one of your girls video or something like that. I,
Speaker 2: and so, yeah, for me, I would be devastated if,
Speaker 2: if the thing came and went and no one like
Speaker 2: batted an eye or knew about it or anything like that,
Speaker 2: that would be a failure.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 3: I don't think you have to worry about that because
Speaker 3: I feel like the cultural impact is like an emotional
Speaker 3: impact on an individual level. And like, I think individually,
Speaker 3: like there's so many people who watched one of your girls,
Speaker 3: let's say, and they're like, holy fuck, like I'll never
Speaker 3: forget that.
Speaker 1: You know? I think it's more just like the idea
Speaker 1: that people expect they come to. I feel like when,
Speaker 1: when like a new album comes out or like someone
Speaker 1: introduces a new era and it almost feels like the
Speaker 1: audience expectation is that they're going to get it and
Speaker 1: enjoy it right away and have a language about what
Speaker 1: it was and how it was contextualized, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: that's like a weird daunting thing that happens now, which
Speaker 1: is like an era comes out and because the, um,
Speaker 1: we're not talking that much about album sales because that's
Speaker 1: all traditionally broken down in the way that it was.
Speaker 1: And like, no one really knows how to talk about like,
Speaker 1: success in the many different ways you can metrically talk
Speaker 1: about it. You can talk about like whether or not
Speaker 1: it's being felt and people, I think conflate that with like,
Speaker 1: and I get it too. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like with any of the recent albums
Speaker 1: that have come out, it's like, it almost feels like
Speaker 1: it landed weird if people don't know how to talk
Speaker 1: about it immediately.
Speaker 2: You know, I, I'm really excited about like, I think
Speaker 2: that's part of the fun, honestly, is like being able
Speaker 2: to try and imagine, because also this album is very,
Speaker 2: like I said, it's sort of chaotic. It's like basically, hmm.
Speaker 1: It's eclectic.
Speaker 2: It's eclectic for sure. And I think that I am
Speaker 2: very excited to give them one thing and then know,
Speaker 2: I know what's coming next. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And so I think like trying to kind of imagine
Speaker 2: how might this land for people, Well, also then having
Speaker 2: the sort of like confidence to be like, first of all,
Speaker 2: I have to love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, like, no way, Jose. Nobody Jose. What?
Speaker 1: Nobody Jose.
Speaker 2: Nobody Jose. Sure.
Speaker 1: That's what you said.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Nobody Jose. Correctamundo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have to absolutely love it. And then also,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to, you know, my last album, my goal
Speaker 2: was like, perfect pop. You know what I mean? I'm
Speaker 2: a student of the school of Max Martin and Swedish people.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I am fascinated by this perfect pop
Speaker 2: song that like every, the second pre-chorus has a little
Speaker 2: bit more harmony than the, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And it's like half length and whatever, all these little
Speaker 2: tricks and stuff like that you can do. So fun
Speaker 2: to do. And I will do that probably for the
Speaker 2: rest of my life. But then like a natural pendulum swing,
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to make something that just
Speaker 2: feels very, very, very like expressive. And so I made
Speaker 2: a lot of the album with my little brother I
Speaker 2: made a lot of the album at home and I'm
Speaker 2: kind of like excited to yeah I'm just sort of
Speaker 2: excited to see how I think for me personally this
Speaker 2: one is going to age well to me personally like
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to look back on it in
Speaker 2: like 50 years and be able to play a couple
Speaker 2: of the songs or all of the songs and be like, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of like 31 year old Troy for
Speaker 2: doing that. You know?
Speaker 3: I feel like all of your albums have aged well.
Speaker 2: Thank you. They, they feel like, um, it's so corny
Speaker 2: cause it's like, everyone says this, but it really does
Speaker 2: feel like opening a journal from when you were like
Speaker 2: 50 or something like that. You think that you're not
Speaker 2: that different and then you go back and you like
Speaker 2: read something you wrote or you whatever. And you're like,
Speaker 2: Oh my God, this is like, Slightly mortifying, but also
Speaker 2: very sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And very true.
Speaker 2: Very true.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like, I had a sinus surgery to, cause
Speaker 2: I had like a terrible deviated septum and I can
Speaker 2: hear in my career pre and post.
Speaker 1: Where the septum was.
Speaker 2: Where the septum was. Because I was so stuffy. Like
Speaker 2: there's songs on Blue Neighborhood where I am just completely blocked.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: And thankfully that doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I guess like you're, Like, your, like, belt on Blue,
Speaker 3: or not your belt, but, like, your placement on Blue Neighborhood, it's, like, younger,
Speaker 3: but it's, like, more, it's brighter, and yet it's more, like, there's, like,
Speaker 3: a dome over it or something.
Speaker 1: Totally. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I think you're going to listen to this
Speaker 1: album in 50 years, and you're going to say one word. Correctamundo. Correctamundo.
Speaker 2: Correctamundo.
Speaker 1: Volume, what is it? Volume..
Speaker 2: Volume loss.
Speaker 1: Volume loss.
Speaker 2: I hope you don't honestly I know it's.
Speaker 1: Too late volume loss please listen.
Speaker 4: To this podcast listen to no Troy no Tro no
Speaker 4: Tro okay so here's when we reveal there's been two
Speaker 4: games we were playing on this episode with you and you.
Speaker 1: One of them you know about one of them you
Speaker 1: don't one of them Bowen revealed which is he was
Speaker 1: gonna call you.
Speaker 2: Tro Tro right which I loved.
Speaker 1: Yeah you loved that what about what about this one
Speaker 1: what do you think what do you think was the
Speaker 1: second the second unusual thing the game you've been.
Speaker 2: Saying correctamundo a lot I just thought, I was like,
Speaker 2: that was weird.
Speaker 1: So you did think it was weird and there was
Speaker 1: no world in which you thought like, I guess Correctamundo
Speaker 1: was back and I didn't know.
Speaker 2: No, no. So my honest, my honest deep fear was,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I, I listened to the pod.
Speaker 2: I'm a reader.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm not like a religious reader. No offense. Sorry, guys.
Speaker 2: No problem. I'm a busy boy.
Speaker 1: Some of our episodes are fucking flop as fuck. They're
Speaker 1: pretty bad.
Speaker 2: And so, no, I just assumed that this was something,
Speaker 2: maybe one of the more recent episodes that I hadn't caught. No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You must be like, oh, God.
Speaker 2: That's why I wasn't going to bring it up.
Speaker 1: I think, I think this is, oh, oh, my God.
Speaker 3: And there's one more thing that we have to do,
Speaker 3: but it's not a secret, but it's a thing that
Speaker 3: you're going to contribute to.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
Speaker 3: But I think in this, this set is really inspiring
Speaker 3: us creatively. And like, we want to do like, I
Speaker 3: think we're going to, we're going to do like games
Speaker 3: for all of our guests. And I think this is
Speaker 3: a great, and you are really so easygoing.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: And you're really rolling with this in such a nice way.
Speaker 3: This is the new thing. Any other thing else on
Speaker 3: Correctamundo that you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, I was getting excited about another thing,
Speaker 1: which is we should figure out a way to use
Speaker 1: the phone. There's a phone over there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: There's just so many things in stimulus now that are
Speaker 1: in the room that we're sort of getting excited. But
Speaker 1: that's a separate topic. This is what Bowen is talking about.
Speaker 3: We want to establish... The queer handshake.
Speaker 2: The queer handshake?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we have created the first two steps of it.
Speaker 1: And we want you to add the next one. And
Speaker 1: we want you to help create the third step. Perfect.
Speaker 1: And maybe by the end of time, we will have
Speaker 1: the whole thing. The whole handshake. And we'll all do
Speaker 1: it together. And it's like, if you know, you know.
Speaker 1: If you see someone on the street. If like.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cause like, I think it's just going to get longer
Speaker 2: and longer.
Speaker 1: We'll call it.
Speaker 2: And are you only inviting queer people to do it or? Yes.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, so you're on the podcast this week and
Speaker 1: then next week is Spike and Honey. Spike and Honey.
Speaker 1: And they're, they're very queer. And then the week after
Speaker 1: that is Carly Rae Jepsen. And I do think we
Speaker 1: should allow her to contribute. She can do it. Like
Speaker 1: Carly Rae Jepsen. I think she's earned that. She's going
Speaker 1: to come out on the pod.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think she's going to be like, surrender my heart.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite songs.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just thought about Emotion.
Speaker 1: The best album of all time. What's your favorite track
Speaker 1: on Emotion?
Speaker 2: It's the one... Dev Hines did it.
Speaker 1: All That?
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1: All That. So good. I also love When I Needed You.
Speaker 1: When I Needed You.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Which I think..
Speaker 2: Is Runaway with me on Emotion?
Speaker 1: Yes. Opening track. Opening track.
Speaker 2: My different Noonie wrote that song and it's like, I'm
Speaker 2: still starstruck by her.
Speaker 1: Of course. That's one of the best pop songs of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: Truly.
Speaker 1: Wait, what are you looking up? I'm looking up what
Speaker 1: my actual favorite is on. Um, first of all, you
Speaker 1: want to come me everywhere. Jizzing anywhere. Um, not faking it,
Speaker 1: not faking it at all. No need. Okay. My favorite
Speaker 1: song on this album, I think is your type. yeah
Speaker 1: i'm not the type.
Speaker 2: Of girl for you i'm not going.
Speaker 1: To pretend just the way the words in which.
Speaker 3: She puts emphasis yeah i'm like i'll make time for
Speaker 3: you wailing.
Speaker 1: That that voice cuts.
Speaker 3: Through that is a radio ready that's radio ready yes
Speaker 3: i mean call me maybe okay this is this is
Speaker 3: this is what we have so far so simple okay.
Speaker 1: That's all we have so far. So it's sort of
Speaker 1: like a grip? And then it's burned like it's hot.
Speaker 1: And then you have choices. You can either reunite or
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: My first thought was like a..
Speaker 1: So you guys do it.
Speaker 2: Is it inhale?
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: We both did it, so yeah. And then I kind
Speaker 1: of want like a... Yeah, okay, great. That's great.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: Okay. You guys do it.
Speaker 3: Ready?
Speaker 1: Ready? Yes! I mean, we could end it right there
Speaker 1: if we want. I think for now it's ended. And
Speaker 1: then we can see. If we're moved to do it.
Speaker 1: Let's just see what next week brings. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? But in terms of where it's at right now,
Speaker 1: I feel really happy. I think the space is giving
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 3: Like there should be like queer handshakes.
Speaker 2: 100%. I mean, there's nothing more petrifying in the world
Speaker 2: than like a straight man walking up to you. about
Speaker 2: to do something this.
Speaker 3: Is exactly what this is exactly what inspired me i
Speaker 3: was like why did we all get so terrified when
Speaker 3: that happens.
Speaker 2: The same as for me when a ball gets kicked
Speaker 2: over a fence right and i'm the one standing on
Speaker 2: the other side of the fence like oh yeah just.
Speaker 3: Terrifying just terrifying i know it's really scary a.
Speaker 1: Chill just ran up my spine i had a physical
Speaker 1: moment because i thought of when guys do that thing
Speaker 1: where they shake your hand and they pull oh you
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever done this to you?
Speaker 2: I think I'd get hard.
Speaker 1: No, I know. It's really... What would you say?
Speaker 2: I think I'd get hard. I would love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So you are on the husband line. Yeah, you're just
Speaker 1: looking for a man to grip it and rip it.
Speaker 3: Hey, if you're in New York or Melbourne and you
Speaker 3: run into Troy, make sure you pull it.
Speaker 1: Run into Tro, pull in. Run into Tro? Correctamundo, babe. Correctamundo.
Speaker 2: Correctamundo's tough.
Speaker 1: Do you like Correctamundo? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it was good for this episode. I don't
Speaker 2: know that it needs to be like a thing forever.
Speaker 1: You really did bail on the bit with Tro. You
Speaker 1: told him right away. Cause you would have been like,
Speaker 1: I would have, I just would have loved it. Really?
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: At first you were like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've never been called that before.
Speaker 1: So I loved the, the name Troy is incredible.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You've never wavered on that.
Speaker 2: No, but Savannah's not my last name. Right. It's my
Speaker 2: middle name.
Speaker 3: But, but, And Savannah's gorgeous. But Troy as a first name,
Speaker 3: something you're hearing all the time.
Speaker 1: I've also met your cool parents because they came to
Speaker 1: my Christmas show in LA.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And I met them after. Troy was like, I brought
Speaker 1: my parents. And I was like, hey. So cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're amazing. They come to a lot of things
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: Do they come to America a lot?
Speaker 2: They do, yeah.
Speaker 3: Before we do, I don't think so, honey. We were
Speaker 3: told that we would be watching something.
Speaker 1: Oh, right. Oh, here we go. Dan, is that it? Oh,
Speaker 1: I am really excited. Okay, so how is this going
Speaker 1: to be a moment where we... Oh, do you have
Speaker 1: the capabilities? I can't believe sometimes how... You guys stay ready,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to get ready. This is an
Speaker 1: unreleased song. We've heard it.
Speaker 2: You have heard it.
Speaker 1: Can we say the name of the track or no?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Let's not risk it.
Speaker 2: No, but I just was... I'm very, very, very excited..
Speaker 3: Anything you want to preface for us before we hit play?
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with, I have not stopped thinking about this song.
Speaker 2: Really? For the readers at home, I am playing them
Speaker 2: the second single from my album, She's the Best.
Speaker 3: And this is going to be played everywhere.
Speaker 2: The music video, I'm just so proud of it and
Speaker 2: so excited about it. But I was like, I kind
Speaker 2: of just want to show them.
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Thank you. So this is when I
Speaker 1: have to say, Terry O'Connor, you do have to come
Speaker 1: in here and make a cameo to open up the laptop.
Speaker 1: And Terry's going to come make a short cameo to
Speaker 1: open this up.
Speaker 3: Culture Digest's Terrence O'Connor.
Speaker 1: You know him, you love him. On the husband hunt
Speaker 1: as well. On the husband hunt as well. Terrence and
Speaker 1: Culture Digest. Yes, come. No, it's not. We need Touch ID, Pat.
Speaker 3: You gotta put your finger on it honey there you go.
Speaker 1: This is a great moment wave to the camera.
Speaker 3: Okay alright hey everybody there he is there he is
Speaker 3: okay we're gonna press play ready pressing play I wanna
Speaker 3: do brightness yeah yeah yeah okay get away from me
Speaker 3: Mike oh my god can I go around the back
Speaker 3: yeah come come come Yeah, come around.
Speaker 1: Sit, sit, sit.
Speaker 2: Sit.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. This is already stunning.
Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
Speaker 2: This is..
Speaker 1: What? When... How did you do this? Oh! Oh. I'm
Speaker 1: really happy. This is huge. Yes! Oh. Really good.
Speaker 3: The location scouting must have been really fun. That's all
Speaker 3: I'm going to say.
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Oh. Wow. Oh, my God. That was amazing. Oh,
Speaker 1: my God. Wow. You know how to press. You look
Speaker 1: perfect in this setting. You know how to press with
Speaker 1: the eye contact. Oh, my God. Tro.
Speaker 4: In it.
Speaker 1: Yes. That's going to be a huge fucking moment, bitch.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Thank you. That was incredible. I am...
Speaker 1: I don't know how to like over hype that. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. I mean, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That is really fucking cool. You are galvanized. Like you
Speaker 1: have not, are you, um, okay.
Speaker 3: Without revealing too much, you're, you're like, you're in your
Speaker 3: dancing bag in that video.
Speaker 1: You kind of were already, but it's like, it's like,
Speaker 1: this is like rush was amazing.
Speaker 3: And get me started with me. But like this, this
Speaker 3: is like, this is like a level up.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I think it's, it's so, it was so interesting.
Speaker 2: Cause I think, um, dancers like pick things up like that.
Speaker 2: And it's so crazy. And the first time I tried
Speaker 2: to dance was for rush. And I remember thinking like, it's, it's, I,
Speaker 2: these are neural pathways that I just don't have. Like
Speaker 2: it was so confusing. And now it feels a little
Speaker 2: bit easier where like, I feel like I can look
Speaker 2: at someone and be like, damn, their core is really
Speaker 2: tight right now while they are doing that. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? It's like, Kind of, you can understand
Speaker 2: what that would feel like. Whereas before, I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I just didn't... There was no correlation between seeing what
Speaker 2: someone was doing and knowing what it would feel like.
Speaker 1: Everything about that video is what they should be.
Speaker 3: You really gotta keep it going with all the acting stuff, too.
Speaker 1: Really? You have such presence. Thank you. It's really incredible.
Speaker 1: You're really fucking good on camera.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I just feel..
Speaker 2: Like, I have friends who sleep, eat, breathe, acting.
Speaker 1: I totally get this.
Speaker 2: And I have never been like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be.
Speaker 2: And I... Yeah, so it's just, like, it's not something
Speaker 2: that I, like, I'm dying for.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's that thing of because...
Speaker 1: you have so much to give. You should only give
Speaker 1: it to a project that's going to like actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who it's like, yeah, because they are an actor
Speaker 1: and they're going to grind for that and they're going
Speaker 1: to want that. They should be given certain opportunities to
Speaker 1: do it. I feel like you're not going to be
Speaker 1: someone that's just going to take a part because like,
Speaker 1: you want to act because you know that there's like
Speaker 1: something that feeds your soul that you're able to do.
Speaker 1: And so if there's going to be an opportunity for
Speaker 1: someone whose soul is going to be fed by doing something,
Speaker 1: I totally get that.
Speaker 2: But, but I just know how I feel about music
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I am so obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: You don't have that same feeling towards, towards.
Speaker 2: I haven't, but maybe if the right project came along,
Speaker 2: I would feel differently. Or maybe it's about, maybe I
Speaker 2: need to be a bit more involved like on the
Speaker 2: production side or something like that. Because I just find music,
Speaker 2: really stimulates like every part of my brain and then
Speaker 2: showing up and acting i just i don't know i
Speaker 2: enjoy it but it's like like i said i'm not like.
Speaker 3: There's so much bill my thing with at least uh
Speaker 3: for film and television or whatever it's like there's just
Speaker 3: so much and even with like theater it's like there's
Speaker 3: so much build-up to it you're not doing it really
Speaker 3: like it doesn't feel complete until it's like until it's done,
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, until like you're doing it in
Speaker 3: front of, you're presenting it. But with music, it's like,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you understand this. It's like the building of
Speaker 3: it is the thing.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And then it's another special stage of it when it's
Speaker 3: being presented. It's like there's, I don't know, which is
Speaker 3: not to say that that's not true for acting, but
Speaker 3: it's like for you guys, it's like the fact that you're,
Speaker 3: if you're near music, if you're near music being made,
Speaker 3: like with Matt's album, it's like, you're just going to
Speaker 3: jump in there. There's no second thought about it.
Speaker 2: It's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I am shook. Honestly, it's like I wouldn't have placed
Speaker 1: it in that world. And now I'm like, that's the
Speaker 1: world in which it will live forever, which is such
Speaker 1: an interesting experience to have. It's like, I don't know. Actually,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what I heard when I first heard
Speaker 1: the song, which we're not going to say what it is.
Speaker 1: But now that I have that visual context for it,
Speaker 1: it's just so exciting because you realize there's um, boundless
Speaker 1: opportunities for its visual context.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes. Blank in the wherever you want, really.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it must be really confounding for everyone to
Speaker 3: like not know what we're talking about, but just like
Speaker 3: trust that you will, there's no way you don't love it.
Speaker 1: That's all. You're going to want to take repeat rides.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Um, well that was fucking incredible. Thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing that with us and stay tuned. Do
Speaker 1: you have any dates to share about things about the
Speaker 1: album and stuff?
Speaker 2: You're asking me about my dating life again.
Speaker 1: No, I mean like in terms of like when, when
Speaker 1: we can expect this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's, you know what? I have no idea what will
Speaker 2: be known by the time this comes out. So all
Speaker 2: I'll say is it's a very quick rollout.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a very quick rollout. Is that good or bad?
Speaker 2: great for me yeah love love that absolutely love especially
Speaker 2: i think because it is such a kind of like
Speaker 2: eclectic or uh you know i i think maybe people
Speaker 2: humbly i made it obviously i think this i think
Speaker 2: that the album is best experienced when listened top to
Speaker 2: bottom it's like a very it's a journey you know
Speaker 2: what i mean and so i think um that's also
Speaker 2: kind of why we wanted to do a quick rollout
Speaker 2: is i'm like i just want people to have the
Speaker 2: whole thing yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: That's very generous All right, time for I Don't Think
Speaker 1: So Honey.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: This is our 60-second segment where we sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: just we let loose on a topic that needs a reckoning.
Speaker 1: And I have something. Fabulous. Yeah.
Speaker 3: This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey's Time
Speaker 3: Starts Now.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't think so, honey. Apparently on Disney +,
Speaker 1: there is something called The Descendants, which is about the
Speaker 1: descendants of like, it's like the children of like Lumiere
Speaker 1: and Mrs. Clock. What's her name, Mrs. Clock? Mrs. Potts. Mrs. Potts.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Cogsworth is the, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, that I need to think
Speaker 1: about like how these things reproduced. Um, it's all about like, oh,
Speaker 1: like even though it's his son, is he going to
Speaker 1: be a lot like his dad? It's like, I understand
Speaker 1: we're living in a world where like, oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: inanimate object is for, this is for children and it
Speaker 1: has a daughter. But I just feel like I can't
Speaker 1: stop thinking when you're talking about like, oh, are they
Speaker 1: going to be just like their mom? Why would they be?
Speaker 4: Oh, right.
Speaker 1: Because they had parents that fucked. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to think about like Mrs. Potts and Lumiere having sex.
Speaker 1: sex like i don't think it's worth having the show
Speaker 1: and i'm in a great place with disney right now
Speaker 1: we had an amazing time at the theme parks um
Speaker 1: but i just i personally don't think so honey that
Speaker 1: i need to think about like you know right after
Speaker 1: be my guest like she was like that was amazing
Speaker 1: baby and then they fucked and as a result like
Speaker 1: now we have a little child from the descendants.
Speaker 3: And that's one minute now i have so many questions
Speaker 3: same i guess didn't they all turn back to humans Right.
Speaker 1: So, Becca Ramos, in the series The Descendants on Disney +,
Speaker 1: can you just double check, are they little inanimate objects,
Speaker 1: household things? Or are they humans?
Speaker 3: Because they were people who were turned by that witch.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to watch a show about them if
Speaker 1: it was about the human version of them.
Speaker 2: I have no context for this whatsoever. I've got no
Speaker 2: idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It says most of the main.
Speaker 3: Characters are human, though several possess... Magical or non-human heritage.
Speaker 1: So then they can turn into things. Sorry, what? They
Speaker 1: have non-human heritage?
Speaker 3: I think it's live action on Disney +. It's like
Speaker 3: expanding the universe. Like the kids, the descendants of these characters.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, Mrs. Clock. Mrs.
Speaker 2: Potts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It says, be the.
Speaker 3: Daughter of the evil queen, Jay, son of the bar.
Speaker 1: It's... it's descendants of a bunch of Disney characters oh
Speaker 1: yeah it's all and they're all for some reason human
Speaker 1: teenagers and the whole thing is like am I gonna
Speaker 1: be like my like fucked mom and dad who was
Speaker 1: a spoon and a clock or like am I gonna
Speaker 1: be like fucked like my mom's like my dad's scar
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So is Jafar's son he's human or what.
Speaker 1: First of all Jafar having a son is crazy to
Speaker 1: me because he's about as gay as the day is
Speaker 1: long Sargassi What? Oh, surrogacy, yeah.
Speaker 3: Surrogacy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Becca, can you check in the show, did
Speaker 1: Jafar have a son by surrogacy and that's why we
Speaker 1: can believe that he procreated?
Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that his son is human.
Speaker 1: He's human.
Speaker 2: He's human. Oh my God, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a genie. He can just become
Speaker 1: a snake. Jafar and who? It's going to be like,
Speaker 1: he had a girlfriend named Megan in college. Like Jafar
Speaker 1: and Megan haven't spoken, but Megan came to the, I guess,
Speaker 1: where did he live? Agrabah. Agrabah. Okay, it feels like
Speaker 1: this is an involved answer from Becca. And I know
Speaker 1: enough to know I still don't think so, honey. Got it.
Speaker 1: But especially after hearing that some of them have, in
Speaker 1: your words, non-human heritage. Like my heritage is half cupboard,
Speaker 1: half Italian.
Speaker 3: There is a child of Beauty and the Beast.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus Christ. Right.
Speaker 3: That's not a human heritage. But what we're forgetting is
Speaker 3: that they were all human at one point in Beauty
Speaker 3: and the Beast.
Speaker 1: Sure. I don't know. I just wanted to bring it up. Okay. Look,
Speaker 1: this is our podcast. I just wanted to bring it up. Yeah. Respect.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything to say on this topic? I'm ready. No.
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: And mine also has to do with the work of
Speaker 3: Alan McKinnon and Howard Ashman.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Oh, great. This is Bowen Yang. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. His time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. The story of Little Shop
Speaker 3: of Horrors. I did not understand and realize until we
Speaker 3: had seen it off Broadway this weekend that an amazing performance.
Speaker 1: Loved it.
Speaker 3: Run, Don't Walk, Eaton Slater, Claiborne Elder, Betsy Wolfe, incredible
Speaker 3: cast of Little Shop of Horrors. I, I've always.
Speaker 1: Been familiar with the music in all my life.
Speaker 3: Howard Ashman is one of our greatest lyricists, writers, composers, or,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, lyricists and writers. 30 seconds.
Speaker 1: It's a sad ending. That's all I'll say. Yeah. Really,
Speaker 1: kind of Shakespearean. Well, yeah, I guess it's, it's like
Speaker 1: a 30 year old story at this point. Much longer.
Speaker 1: Everybody dies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: 30 plus, 40.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Everyone dies. 15 seconds, yeah. It's kind of sad.
Speaker 3: And it's about the Faustian bargain of fame, which we're
Speaker 3: all familiar with, aren't we? And I guess that portends
Speaker 3: doom for us.
Speaker 1: Five seconds.
Speaker 3: We're all going to get eaten by the plant. And
Speaker 3: that's what fame is.
Speaker 1: That's one minute. I hadn't thought of Little Shop of
Speaker 1: Horrors as a Faustian bargain with fame today.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that didn't cross my desk either.
Speaker 1: Isn't that what it is? I think that what happens
Speaker 1: in Little... Are you familiar with Little Shop of Horrors?
Speaker 2: Once again, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think you would really like this show.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know..
Speaker 1: What? You don't like Madonna's Alive?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's like a musical gay.
Speaker 1: That's okay. You're not? Madonna's Alive.
Speaker 2: I didn't grow up with it.
Speaker 1: You hate Wicked? No. You loved it. I..
Speaker 3: I..
Speaker 2: Loved it, but I still would... I was like, I...
Speaker 2: This is not my culture. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: What if someone was like, we're going to make a
Speaker 3: Troye Sivan musical?
Speaker 2: I would say that's a bad idea. Genuinely. No, and
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. It's the same reason
Speaker 2: that I've never seen... Sometimes when things get so big
Speaker 2: and involved... I understand. There is a culture here that
Speaker 2: I'm not a part of.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 2: It is too late for me to start watching Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones. It is too late for me to... I
Speaker 2: don't know. You know what I mean? There's just things
Speaker 2: that I don't know about, and I'm kind of okay
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: As a lover of music, doesn't it appeal to you?
Speaker 1: You don't have to know. It's a safe space.
Speaker 2: Let me do mine.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say to you before you do yours.
Speaker 1: Little Shop of Horrors would be a good one for
Speaker 1: you because it's dark and in a way kind of queer.
Speaker 1: Very queer. It's not something that if you watch, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, because you don't love musicals already. You're
Speaker 1: not like comparing it to everything else, which I would
Speaker 1: think would help see it as like this, like weird
Speaker 1: alt kind of bizarre piece of art. Cause it is.
Speaker 2: I didn't grow up in a city with a lot
Speaker 2: of theater.
Speaker 1: You weren't exposed.
Speaker 2: And so my first exposure to theater was when, um,
Speaker 2: I did it for the first time when I was
Speaker 2: like 12 and I loved being a part of it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, this is incredible. But even
Speaker 2: then I remember being like, people were talking about musicals
Speaker 2: that they loved and they had like listened to the
Speaker 2: soundtrack and stuff like that. And I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my God, I've totally missed this boat. And I just
Speaker 2: never really caught it.
Speaker 1: It is a culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe it'll happen later in life for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Where I fall in love with it.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of, I'm sorry I interrupted you. Speaking of
Speaker 3: catching it, it's like, it is, it reminds me of
Speaker 3: like Pokemon.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where it's like.
Speaker 3: Well, have you seen this and this and this? Or
Speaker 3: it's like, I've collected this and this and this.
Speaker 2: Oh, right.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a musical name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, have you seen this and this?
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, girl. I haven't seen any of it.
Speaker 1: You thought Pokemon was a musical game?
Speaker 2: No, no, no. I thought you said, have you seen this, this,
Speaker 2: and this?
Speaker 1: This, this, and this. Yes. The musical. This, this, and this,
Speaker 1: the musical is a great title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually is.
Speaker 3: Title of ep is Correctamundo of this episode.
Speaker 1: Correctamundo. Are you okay with that? There's also volume loss.
Speaker 1: Volume loss. There's a lot going on titles wise in
Speaker 1: the episode. I did want to say one thing, which
Speaker 1: is it's crazy that the big version of your Wolverine
Speaker 1: is Mr.
Speaker 2: Musical. I know.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, Moulin Rouge is one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: It's not like an absolute no-go zone. I just need,
Speaker 2: I need maybe a, maybe I should add this to
Speaker 2: the criteria for my husband. Someone who is willing to
Speaker 2: handhold me and teach me about musicals.
Speaker 1: Okay, you ready to do your I Don't Think So Honey?
Speaker 2: Sure, I think so.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. This is Troy Sivan's I
Speaker 1: Don't Think So Honey as time starts now.
Speaker 2: I Don't Think So Honey singing. I am not fishing
Speaker 2: for compliments. I'm not that good at it. And I'm
Speaker 2: okay with that. No. But I think sometimes I will
Speaker 2: be in the car and I'll sing. It's just me.
Speaker 2: And something so... diabolical will come out of my mouth,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I truly scammed the world. And the
Speaker 2: fact that I have the same job as Beyonce is
Speaker 2: just an insane thought. But now I will say I
Speaker 2: care a lot about tone and storytelling. And so I do,
Speaker 2: I understand, I get it. The real magic though, is
Speaker 2: when somebody has tone storytelling and they can sing, sing
Speaker 2: like Ariana Grande, Whitney Houston, Sade. These are like, you know, technical.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying the idea of me doing karaoke
Speaker 2: or like singing at any point where I don't absolutely
Speaker 2: have to, I will not do it. And it's not
Speaker 2: that fun. It's fun at my shows because I'm in control.
Speaker 2: But any other time, absolutely not. No, thank you. Doing
Speaker 2: TV performances, hell on earth. Hell on earth. The least
Speaker 2: fun thing you can possibly do as a human being.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, he says, and that's his
Speaker 1: one minute plus. And now it's time for Troye Sivan
Speaker 1: to sing.
Speaker 2: Oh my God.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Even happy birthday, like, I'm just like.
Speaker 1: Oh no, well that's, yeah. I remember, I remember when
Speaker 1: we were at Brett's together and I was for the
Speaker 1: first time ever putting like background vocals on something. And
Speaker 1: you were saying like, that's like one of your favorite
Speaker 1: parts because it's like scaping. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not the quote unquote singing part. And
Speaker 1: then I remember you said like, I barely sing. And
Speaker 1: I remember I heard you say that. And then the
Speaker 1: back of my mind, I was like, that's so funny
Speaker 1: that he said he barely sings.
Speaker 2: I am a good like talk singer.
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Here's what's happening.
Speaker 3: You're placing value in a kind of vocal quality that
Speaker 3: people prize.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But just because you don't sing the right note in
Speaker 3: the car doesn't mean you're a bad singer.
Speaker 2: No, I'm being self-deprecating because I really do value... Some
Speaker 2: of my favorite singers are not very good technically. Maybe
Speaker 2: they've got a very small range or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I like believe them.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: But like I said, the magic zone is when somebody
Speaker 2: can just do all of it. And that must be
Speaker 2: so fun. If you're, if you're Ariana.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or if you're Whitney or whatever, or like Zara Larson,
Speaker 2: that would, that must be so fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: To be able to just like do that all the time,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 3: But even there, even Ari is like, on this album
Speaker 3: is like, I'm not going to give you like the belt.
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep it like really restrained.
Speaker 2: She can do, she can do it all. Like she,
Speaker 2: her restraint is gorgeous. Her belt is gorgeous. Right. you know,
Speaker 2: there's an endless possibility.
Speaker 1: The thing that she said recently, which is I think
Speaker 1: sometimes people forget about Ariana when they're talking about the
Speaker 1: fact that she's not belting on her recent albums like
Speaker 1: people know she can. It's that if anyone knows her
Speaker 1: voice and what it can do, it's Ariana Grande. She
Speaker 1: literally is someone who is a studied vocalist. So when
Speaker 1: she is not doing those things, it is on purpose
Speaker 1: because that is what best suits her musical output. And
Speaker 1: I think She even says while she knows her voice
Speaker 1: is super special, she actually thinks her best quality is
Speaker 1: her ear and the way that she can hear everything
Speaker 1: together because as an artist, her voice is not her
Speaker 1: only instrument. So she's like allowed to do whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck she wants with it and she's still using the
Speaker 1: entire breadth of her artistic tool. And guess who also
Speaker 1: hates karaoke? Ariana Grande. Really?
Speaker 3: We invited her to come to karaoke with us after
Speaker 3: her show. which was, and then I laughed.
Speaker 1: I was like, to.
Speaker 2: Be fair, I'm surprised. Like I'm acting surprised, but I
Speaker 2: also think if singers don't like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you're a singer and you like go with your
Speaker 2: friends and then you sing in front of them, like
Speaker 2: it's like everyone knows that you can sing.
Speaker 1: We just wanted her to come and like hang. Right.
Speaker 3: Cause like her friends were like, like, like we were
Speaker 3: all going, like her friends were all going. And then
Speaker 3: I was like, come to karaoke. And she was like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: Everyone must think that she's going to like, it must
Speaker 2: be no fun. She has to go up there and
Speaker 2: sing like a perfect, you know, insane performance. And that's
Speaker 2: the gag of the night. Like, no, what if she
Speaker 2: just wants to like get drunk and hang out with
Speaker 2: everyone and sing terribly.
Speaker 1: But can you imagine if she was the kind of
Speaker 1: person that was like I love karaoke and then she
Speaker 1: was like no chance no way and did like all
Speaker 1: ram the show in karaoke you'd be like oh I
Speaker 1: didn't expect this I don't know if I love.
Speaker 2: It there's a powerhouse like famous amazing diva who loves
Speaker 2: karaoke and does it like full out.
Speaker 1: Is it Adele That's charming and that makes it. I
Speaker 1: knew that about her.
Speaker 3: It's a personality thing.
Speaker 1: I knew that about her. That's what a gag it is.
Speaker 1: It's like I love that someone is just like. It's
Speaker 1: a personality thing. I'm coming and I'm shredding. I think
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson too loves karaoke.
Speaker 2: See, that is really fun. I take it back what
Speaker 2: I said. That's really fun to be there while they
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my God. Also, I have a friend of
Speaker 1: ours years and years and years ago was at a wedding.
Speaker 1: I was at the same wedding as Cynthia Erivo. This
Speaker 1: is like post Color Purple, but pre her being Cynthia
Speaker 1: in the way that we know her now. And I
Speaker 1: guess at some point, How Will I Know by Whitney
Speaker 1: Houston came on, and Cynthia just in the middle of
Speaker 1: the floor just gave How Will I Know full power.
Speaker 1: No mic at the wedding? No mic, just while they're
Speaker 1: all dancing at the wedding. Everyone's just on the ground
Speaker 1: enjoying How Will I Know while the band or the
Speaker 1: DJ played, but then Cynthia was absolutely giving people eye contact,
Speaker 1: ripping How Will I Know. Everyone was just like, it's
Speaker 1: so good. Wow. We're nutted. Some people just love to sing.
Speaker 1: Troy has to go. The little computer over there is saying,
Speaker 1: which breaks our heart because this has been so fun.
Speaker 2: So fun guys. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: This is, I really feel like this is going to
Speaker 1: be a very special moment for you and you deserve it.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 3: Let's sing a song as we end every episode.
Speaker 1: Okay. Should we go to an oldie? You know, I've actually,
Speaker 1: this song actually helped me. Okay. I bloom, I bloom
Speaker 1: just for you. I bloom just for you. Just for you.
Speaker 1: And now this is... Yeah, that wasn't bad.
Speaker 2: That was good. I liked that little..
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: Competitive with each other?
Speaker 1: No, never. We do a full howl I know against
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a... We gotta go. Bye.
Speaker 2: Bye.