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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to part two of Work in Progress with the

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Speaker 1: lovely Jerry O'Connell. Now we're sitting at work at base

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Speaker 1: camp in my trailer.

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Speaker 2: We ran out of time. Sophia's driver was coming and

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Speaker 2: asking for her to come, and I came into our

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Speaker 2: hair and makeup trailer and I said to Sophia, so

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Speaker 2: that chat we had, it's got to be top you

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Speaker 2: said too, Top two of Work in Progress, And Sophia

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Speaker 2: didn't even look away from doing her eyeliner and Sophia said, no,

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Speaker 2: no way, and I went Top three. Sophia went, dude,

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Speaker 2: we've had some schell Obama on the show, you, I said.

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Speaker 1: I said, that's very hard for me. I don't really

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Speaker 1: of people who come on the show. I said, I

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Speaker 1: put you in the incredible comedian category, along the likes

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Speaker 1: of Chelsea Hammler, Whitney Cummings, iconic Jerry O'Connell. And he

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Speaker 1: was like, I really can't believe you don't just think

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama comic guests. Yeah, top absolutely in your Yes, Wow,

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Speaker 1: you can have it. You can have it. You're wonderful. Okay.

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Speaker 1: We we were mid interview, laughing and amused in such

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Speaker 1: a fashion that, as you explained, I absolutely missed my

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Speaker 1: I was actually ready early. I was ready before camera

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Speaker 1: to be late to the van. Currently, we have time

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Speaker 2: It is a.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know the thing I'm most embarrassed

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Speaker 2: about this film about. Okay, these shoes that I have

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Speaker 2: to wear. I'm showing if you're listening to work in progress,

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Speaker 2: my character wears these sandals.

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Speaker 1: You can't believe you're giving people free feet on the internet.

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Speaker 2: I would never oh yeah, I need that following. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, but they're super gross. I hate them, and

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Speaker 1: They're your principal shoes. They are very sturdy, responsible Birkenstock adjacent,

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Speaker 2: Don't like men in sandals. Don't believe men were sandals.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to assigned gender and to assign footwear to gender.

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Speaker 2: Don't believe men should wear sandals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry to assigned gender.

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Speaker 2: I think women wearing open toad shoes. I think that's

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Speaker 2: I'm just not a man who wears open to a shoes.

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Speaker 2: You never know if you have to run.

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Speaker 1: Kick interesting. Well, then how do you feel about being barefoot?

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Speaker 1: Like you're a barefoot at the beach guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not weird of I'm not weird.

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Speaker 1: Jerry's foot presence preference. Rather, it's it's not a typical

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Speaker 2: Being in the entertainment industry is really all I know.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute, but here's a

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Speaker 1: word from our sponsors. You are a very dedicated person.

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Speaker 1: I've come to observe, like I watch the way you

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Speaker 1: Come say hi on our on our little video feed.

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Speaker 2: This is the star of our movie. Have a seat

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Speaker 2: right right here, mom too, get in here. Mom's important.

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Speaker 2: Say hi to hello everyone.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love this way. Now you're over, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: So you're still in frame. I meant the iPad, not

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Speaker 2: is Violet. Guys, what have you learned from watching? From?

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Speaker 2: What wisdom have you gotten? From myself? And from Sophia?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: She's like, you guys aren't wise?

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Speaker 2: How have we blown your mind?

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Speaker 1: And you guys are really good at improvka like really

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Speaker 2: I learned a lot from both.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun.

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Speaker 2: I take this moment to say what I've learned from Violet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you share your microphone.

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Speaker 2: I've learned. I've learned that if another actor throws a

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