1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Darren Urban joins me. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: He was there in Cincinnati with the Cardinals preseason opener 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: against the Bengals, will get his first hand account of 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: how things went. We're certainly a lot of positives. Speaking 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: of positives, Kyler Murray and Hollywood Brown practice at the 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: same time. A first here in training camp. But first 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Darren's Brush with Greatness its Cardinals Cover two, episode five eighty, 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two, Hitting 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: the backfield and down he goes for a loss. JJ 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Watt Nailed It. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hun Day, 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Visit acy Cardinals dot Com Slash podcasts. He's at the 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: ten half of five. He's in again, so for Harry Magic. Whoa, 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: here's Craig Grielou. Before we get to the history made 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: at Monday's practice, we have to look back at what 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, Darren, before the preseason opener, When was this 17 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: brush with greatness that you and Mike helm, the senior 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: manager of media relations, experienced in Cincinnati. That would have 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: been lunchtime, in Cincinnati, so you were barely out of bed, Craig, 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: so probably I don't know about noon at Cincinnati. So 21 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: at nine o'clock here went to lunch and ended up 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: at a table next to Venus Williams Tennis Starr. Did 23 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: you know immediately? Yes, okay, although we questioned ourselves because 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: we weren't sure, and then later later on we we 25 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: thought for sure, Oh my god, that's Venus Williams. Obviously 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: we didn't say anything, and then we started doubting ourselves. 27 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: And then at some point Mike helm found a tweet, 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: which I'm not sure how he tracked that down, but 29 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: he found a tweet from the WTA, the Women's Tennis 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Association that for the Cincinnati Tournament our list Cincinnati Open. 31 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Since then I opened our list of wildcard entrants includes 32 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: and Venus Williams was in the top. So we realized, yes, 33 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: there was a reason for her to be in Cincinnati, 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: because I think that's one of the reasons we were 35 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: doubting ourselves. Why would Venus Williams be in Cincinnati. By 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: the way I looked it up, she scheduled to play 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: on Tuesday of this week. Wow, So she got in 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: early the weather was nice. You didn't walk over say hello, 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't have to walk over anything. That literally her 40 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: table was from me to you, Craig. I mean it's 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: there's no walking over that was needed. That's nice. So 42 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: your day was made at that point, and it just 43 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: got even better by what you saw later on that evening. Correct, Yes, 44 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the Cardinals performed. I mean it's a 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: preseason game. We know what we have to think about 46 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: those and say about those. But for what it was 47 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: a clean game, relatively few penalties, efficient on offense. The 48 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: guys who did play looked pretty sharp for the most part, 49 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: so all the way around, and there were few injuries 50 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: and nothing catastrophic. So those are all things that you 51 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: chalk up as big wins when you're talking about a 52 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: preseason game. So it was. It was a nice first 53 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: game and we'll kind of see where it goes from here. 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: I want to touch on a handful of those players, 55 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: because that's what preseason is about, at least to me, 56 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: it's the individuals, not so much the team because you're 57 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: looking to figure out who's going to make that team. 58 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: But the one thing for me that I think can 59 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: be a nice carryover to this coming week and then 60 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: into the season hopefully. And you brought it up, the 61 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: lack of penalties, no turnovers, and just how operationally things 62 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: looked so smooth. Now, this is my advantage point from 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: the studio, me and Kyle N and Bosh watching it 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: in the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network studios. You've got ninety 65 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: plus players, countless coaches, support staff, and no, well, there 66 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: was a delay game in the fourth quarter, but those 67 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: first three quarters easy. I mean, it looked like a 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: midseason game. That's what you want the performance to be. Like. 69 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: That's the whole point of training campus, getting those things 70 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 1: in particular where you want them. Now, there's a couple 71 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: of caveats to it, and the biggest one is that 72 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: most of the guys that are going to be playing 73 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: most of the time, they weren't part of that equation. 74 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean, so you would think the starters would be 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: just as good as the backups and something like that, 76 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: but we don't know, because the chances are most of 77 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: them are never going to set foot on a field 78 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: until games count. So you hope that the few penalties, 79 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: You hope that the efficient offense, the you know, smart defense, 80 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: the no issues with substitutions and everything. You hope that'll 81 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: carry over to the guys that are not going to 82 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: get a chance to rep it in a game in 83 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: the preseason. And you would think here going into year 84 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: four for this coaching staff, that is very little turnover 85 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: under Cliff Kingsbury, that now you're starting to figure out 86 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: where guys need to be positioned and in how to 87 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: situate your different position groupings, so there's not a lot 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: of miscommunication or chaos on the sideline. Yeah, I mean again, 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: this is we all talk about, Okay, who's looking good 90 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: in camp and what are they how are they performing 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: in this and that. But part of training camp is 92 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: to sharpen the skills that you're talking about that nobody 93 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: wants to really analyze and nobody really wants to talk 94 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: about Untilico is bad, which is okay, pre snap penalties, 95 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: being smart, making sure all the substitutions are clean, making 96 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: sure the communication on the sideline makes sense, especially like 97 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: you said, when you have this many players and in 98 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: a preseason game that many substitutions. I mean again, for 99 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: the most part, it's there's a lot fewer people in 100 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: a regular season game, whereas there's so many different guys 101 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: that are standing on the sideline. There's so many different 102 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: guys that are trying to get in. There's a balancing 103 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: act on how to do all that stuff. So yeah, 104 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: that's that's part of what training camp is about, is 105 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: is to hone not only what the players are doing, 106 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: but what the coaches are doing, what the staff is doing. 107 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: And it's certainly turned out pretty well. All you have 108 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: to do is look across the field. The Bengals committed 109 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: eleven penalties or a number of holding calls. And then 110 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: you and I were sitting there earlier on Monday, and 111 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: I did not notice or knew this, but the Dallas 112 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: Cowboys committed seventeen penalties in their preseason over that's that's 113 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: typically what happens in the preseason. But two penalties, one 114 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: I think was very questionable Jesse Looketta, and then there 115 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: was a defensive pass interference that was declined. We can 116 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: get in Marco Wilson's play. I was now, again, will 117 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: that continue, Probably not, But it was just you don't 118 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: see a game, a preseason game that clean very oft No, 119 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: and and even on the other side, you're talking about 120 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: some of those penalties. Some of those penalties were because 121 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were playing well. I'm thinking of at least 122 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: one holding call, and I don't know if he drew 123 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: a second one. If he didn't, he should have. Jessie Lemonnier, 124 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: his pass rush was exceptional. When I watched him a 125 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: few plays. There was one series late in the game 126 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: where he definitely drew a holding call. On one of 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: those plays, he torched the guy he was rushing against, 128 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: like three plays in a row, and the guy could 129 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: do nothing but grab at him and do stuff. So again, 130 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: when you start talking about like the penalties for Cincinnati, yeah, 131 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: some of that was they were a little sloppier than 132 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals were, But some of it was again 133 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: because the Cardinals were doing things well in just a 134 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: different facet of the game. Thirty six, twenty three, the 135 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: final on Friday, final score doesn't really matter too much. 136 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: What matters is what happened during those sixty minutes. And 137 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: for you, Darren, you were there one of the few 138 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: that actually couldn't say, now you've been to pay Course Stadium, 139 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: that's when it's been called pay coorse Stadium. I mean, yeah, 140 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: because I've been to that stadium a few times, but 141 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: it's the first time. Yeah, it felt totally different. I mean, 142 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: the vibe just changed. Your biggest takeaway in the moments, 143 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: as far as whether it was offense, defense, or special teams. 144 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway was probably what I wrote about, which was, 145 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: if Victor de Mukaji can give you the kind of 146 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: pass rush that might be able to churn out six 147 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: to eight sacks, I think you're way ahead of the 148 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: game in terms of the pass rush when you're looking 149 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: for those kinds of the guys. If he, if he 150 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: can give you something like that, I think that would 151 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: be really, really important. I do think Tracy McSorley had 152 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: a solid game, and he looked better than quite frankly 153 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: I thought he might. But again, when you start talking 154 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: about the third string quarterback, I don't know how much 155 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: that really makes a difference. That's why I would go 156 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: with de Mukaiji because that actually could impact games when 157 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: they count. You talk about filling up the stat sheet 158 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: two sacks, two quarterback hits to tackle for loss, one 159 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: forced fumble, and one of the forgotten members of that 160 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: outside linebackers group we talk about Marcus Golden, Devon Kenard, 161 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,239 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck, and then the three draft picks. De Mukagi 162 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: has gotten lost in the shuffle. Fact, we never even 163 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: brought him up in the pregame and that was an 164 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: error on my part. Well, because you're not that good. 165 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: No I'm not. I'm still trying to learn from you. 166 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: Darren the multimedia Master appreciate. We saw it in the 167 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: postgame lost friend Venus. We got that going as well. 168 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: So but Demu Cage, let's not forget second year, year 169 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: one to year two, that jump. We always talk about it, 170 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: whether it's with the quarterback or a wide receiver, will not. 171 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: Why not with an outside linebacker in a position group 172 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: that is desperately needing someone some people to step up. 173 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a great point. And again, when you 174 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: start talking about a guy like de Mukaji, one one 175 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: of the reasons they liked him was because there were 176 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: similarities to what Marcus Golden is. Maybe a little bit shorter, 177 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: stockier of a pass rusher, isn't gonna wow you in 178 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: terms of athleticism off the edge, but somehow gets it done. 179 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: Hard worker. Dmukg Smart went to Duke. You don't get 180 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: into Duke. I don't care even if you're a football player, 181 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: unless you got some brains and so he's a smart 182 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: football player. And I just think there's a lot that 183 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: goes into it. There's a lot of people that like 184 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: Jesse Lukeda as a pass rusher. I mean, I think 185 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: they've got you know again, no, I don't know if 186 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: they have anybody on the team right now where they're like, okay, 187 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: this is guys Chandler Jones a second. But they like 188 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: some of these young guys. They like some of their 189 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: potential of what they could do off the edge, and 190 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: it's going to be really interesting to watch, Like who 191 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: makes this team? Who? You know, how do you kind 192 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: of set it up? How is that all gonna go? 193 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: Because you're not gonna be able to keep them all now, linebacker, 194 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: you usually can keep a few extra ones because those 195 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: guys are the kind of the heart and soul of 196 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: special teams. So Lukeda is on this team, I'm thinking 197 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: for special teams no matter what. And then if you 198 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: could work him in. But it's something to keep in 199 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: mind down the road. A credit to Victor as well, 200 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: and Kingsbury brought it up on Monday. The work that 201 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: these guys put in in the off season, whether during 202 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: off season workouts, are on their own. And Victor mentioned 203 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: how quickly or how quick he looked when he went 204 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: back and looked at the film that first step, the 205 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: explosion off the line of scrimmage, being able to beat 206 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: the guy in front of you, whether it's the left 207 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: tackle or right tackle. And you're kind of seeing some 208 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: of those the results of all that hard work during 209 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: the off season. And potentially let's add de Mucajee into 210 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: the mix as far as a number or one of 211 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: those guys that can rush the quarterback this season. Yeah. 212 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean again, when you look at Victor de Muckje, 213 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: you think, Okay, this guy should probably be able to 214 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: win some battles inside. So can he Is he quick 215 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: enough to make the outside part of his game, you know, 216 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: enough of a threat where a tackle might not necessarily 217 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: know which way he's going. So yeah, again, I liked 218 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: the game that he played, like the game that Greg 219 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: Dorche played. I liked the game that Tracey McSorley played. 220 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: You know, there there was some nice, solid performances. I 221 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: liked the game. I mean, this should be a no brainer. 222 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez I thought he played really well, But again, 223 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: he was going against backups and he's one of your starters, 224 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: but then the non guys. I mean, Dennis Gardeck, We've 225 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: talked about it before, but he carried over what you've 226 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: seen in practice into the game. He looks really quick 227 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: off the edge, and again you're hoping that that pays 228 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: off in some quarterback pressures. Gardeck only played ten snaps, 229 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: drew a holding call on the ride tackle Richard Lawrence 230 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: had a TfL. He was only on the field for 231 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: nine snaps. So a lot to like on the defensive side. 232 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: My j Sanders, Jonathan Ledbetter drew holding calls. Ledbetter or 233 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: someone that doesn't get talked a lot about defensively on 234 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: that defensive line. He did play one game last season 235 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: that was in Cleveland when Corey Peters tested posit and 236 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Ledbetter gets the call and say, hey, 237 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: you gotta play, and he played well according to the coaches. 238 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: That's another room that maybe it's not one guy, but 239 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: a collection of guys that you need to play well 240 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: this season. I think they've always been kind of aiming 241 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: that way right with how they've constructed that room. I mean, 242 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: they've got JJ Watt, but there are no real superstars 243 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: or even stars beyond that. Beyond that, it's it's it's 244 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: a collection of workers and rotation guys. For the most part, 245 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: you're hoping Zach Allen can take a little bit of 246 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: a step, but for the most part, it's rotation guys. 247 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: And if they can play like that and again caveats 248 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: over and over Bengals not using starters, etcetera, etc. You 249 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: know they're gonna be okay. But I mean, we got 250 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: a long way to go, and we got to see 251 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: them against better competition and knock on wood. Although as 252 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: you all know that I'm not a Jinx guy. I mean, 253 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: we still got quite a bit of time and time 254 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: practice time in preseason games, and we got to see 255 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: if everybody can stay healthy, which there's still a long 256 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: time before games actually matter. Well and those that played 257 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: well on Friday, now can you do it again on Sunday? 258 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: Can you stack these performances. It's one thing to do 259 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: it in practice, another thing to do it in the game. 260 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: I found it interesting in hearing Kingsbury earlier on Monday, 261 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: he was asked to assess daven Collins and Marco Wilson 262 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: didn't really give the assessments except to say I'm excited 263 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: to see how much they progress from week one to 264 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: week two. Those two were among the three, including Dennis Cardick, 265 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: that Kingsbury said defensively they were going to play at 266 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: the starters projected starters. There was a lot of post consternation, 267 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: if you will, on how Zaven Collins performed, which to me, 268 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: I think is laughable considering is only on the field 269 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: for eighteen snaps and you're looking at the final statue 270 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: to see one assisted tackle. That's all anyone paid attention to. 271 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: But if you focus in on what he did, there 272 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: was only one play that I think you can really 273 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: point to that say maybe he got a little bit 274 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: ahead of himself, and that was when he tried to 275 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: go up the middle, got engaged with an offensive lineman, 276 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: couldn't get off the block. That's something that's been bothering him, yeah, 277 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: since last year. But other than that, with what he 278 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: was asked to do, whether it was cover the running back, 279 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: rushed the quarterback, or dropped deep on second and third 280 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: and long, I thought it was fine, wasn't overly impressive, 281 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: but it wasn't the opposite of that. Well, here's I 282 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: will say this. I don't disagree with you but again, 283 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: we're when you start talking about a guy who you draft. 284 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: When you drafted, you said he was going to start. 285 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: When you drafted a guy who Okay, now we're moving out, 286 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna give him his chance, I mean fair or not. 287 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: You you're not gonna look at him in his development 288 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: the same year going to look at my J Sanders 289 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: or or whomever you're talking about a later pick. I mean, 290 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. You're gonna expect quicker, more things, quicker, 291 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: and um, you know, it's it's not fair to compare 292 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: him to some other linebackers that have burst out of 293 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: the gate that you know you're hoping he would have done. 294 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: But again, you're right, it wasn't bad. But I don't 295 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: know if he's gonna go and stick it up on 296 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: his board and say this is one of my better 297 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: performances of my life, or this is where I want 298 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: to be. And so I do think there's something to 299 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: the factor of like, hey, you're supposed to be a 300 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: starter and they're not putting out great players. You should 301 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: be able to shed that block or make a couple 302 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: more plays than you did. Now, maybe he's doing everything 303 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: exactly like he's supposed to within the concept of the defense, 304 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: and the defense played well when he was in there, 305 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: So okay, you go there and you say, then the 306 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: job is done. But the spotlight's gonna be on him, 307 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't whether it's fair or not, 308 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The spotlight's gonna be on him. And 309 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: if he's not making some eye popping plays once in 310 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: a while, we're gonna question it. And I understand that. 311 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. I do like what 312 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: he had to say to you postgame. As far as 313 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: the mental errors, that there were no mental rors. Now, 314 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: that was immediately after the ball game. I don't know 315 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: what the coaches told him after the fact. But he 316 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: was where he was needed, where he was asked to be. No, there, 317 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: we're not a wild play or anything like that. But 318 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: at the same time, it wasn't much opportunity for him 319 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: to make a wild play if he was told, hey, 320 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: follow the running back wherever they go or where you 321 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: need you deep safety on second and twenty plus. Yeah, no, 322 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: And you're right, And again that's that you have to 323 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: and that's why you do need a bigger sample size, 324 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: not just bigger sample size, and how much he plays 325 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: during the game, but a bigger sample size over a 326 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: number of games, and we're gonna see. Look, the guy's 327 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: gonna play. The guy's gonna play, and I don't unless 328 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: he's terrible, I don't think he's going to do anything 329 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: in the next two games to change that fact. He's 330 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: probably gonna play some against the Ravens. We'll see what 331 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: happens in that final preseason game against the Titans and 332 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: how many guys that they're expecting to put on the 333 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: field they want to are they're actually going to have 334 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, by that time, you're only 335 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: gonna have eighty players, so you're gonna have trimmed down 336 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: some of these extra guys. But it would be nice 337 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: to see a WOW player too when he's in there, 338 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: just to kind of settle everything down, maybe even to 339 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: tell himself, Okay, I know I can do this. He'll 340 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: get another opportunity to talking about Zavan Collins. Marco Wilson 341 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: will get another opportunity. He did not look good on 342 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: that defensive past interference call. Wide receiver still made the 343 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: catch penalty decline, but you're looking for him. The jury 344 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: is still out. That's a tag that's gonna be on 345 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: Marco Wilson until he shows otherwise, and it's still a 346 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: surprise to me considering how well he did play last season. 347 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: Mightbe fell off a little bit towards the end of 348 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: the second half of the season, but cornerbacks still to me, 349 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: remains a huge question mark as far as what they 350 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: do as far as depth at that position. Quality depth. Yeah, 351 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean again, it's such an interesting question about where 352 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: they go from here. And we've had this conversation many 353 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: times right in terms of what they do at that 354 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: spot and when they do it, and I think there's 355 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: a couple of guys that flashed. But but again, see 356 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: this is this is where it's tough. As like I 357 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: keep going over, we keep hitting all these different positions, 358 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know how much I want 359 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: to put into what we just saw or what we 360 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: could see, because it just feels like so much of 361 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: it is just biding time until we get to the 362 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: regular season. You know what I'm saying, If you have 363 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: something egregious, then it doesn't make you feel good, right, 364 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: you can only you can only feel bad. You can't 365 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: feel good. They'll say this. If I'm Greg Dortch, I 366 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: do feel good, yes on how I perform. Now. Is 367 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: he going to crack the top four five wide receivers. No, 368 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: unless there's an injury. But I do think and I was, 369 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: I think we're an agreement on this Darren that he 370 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: was on this team anyway because of his ability on 371 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: special teams. But I think what he showed one one game. 372 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: I get it, it's one game. But if Ron del 373 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: Moore is going to be more utilized on offense as 374 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: a receiver, well, you need someone back on punt return. Yeah, 375 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: gotta be able to catch the ball first, and then 376 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: if you can do something like Dorts did on that 377 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: fifty five yard return, that's a bonus. I do think 378 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: they might have found another option, if you will, on 379 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: the return game. I'm again fascinated to see how that 380 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: plays out and kind of where that all goes. And 381 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, I don't I loved what Dortch has done 382 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: so far. It's interesting every time that Cliff has asked 383 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: about him, he says something about needing to learn the 384 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: playbook more, and it seems like a more of a 385 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: vague thing. I feel like there's something he wants to 386 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: point too, and he can't because it sure feels like 387 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: Greg Dorch is where he's supposed to be most of 388 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: the time, making plays, either making catches or the punt 389 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: return obviously opens your eyes because we've talked about this before. 390 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: If they can get some guy who can be a 391 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: breakaway punt return, and it doesn't have to be every time, 392 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: but if there's a threat there that you know, once 393 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: every three or four games you can get a fifty 394 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: five yard punt return, I mean that these days that 395 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: can be a huge point in turning over who wins 396 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: a game. He had a four yard return, a nine 397 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: yard return in the fifty five yard return, plus a 398 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: seventeen yard return. But the bottom line, you have to 399 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: be able to catch the ball cleanly, and Greg Dorge 400 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: is able to do that. Now, is it gonna be 401 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: rondel Moore? Is there gonna be someone else back there? 402 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: And then kick off as well? But that's something to 403 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. And I'm impressed by what Greg 404 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: Doorge has done because seemingly every single time out here 405 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: at Cardinals camp, it's a great dort show. There's at 406 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: least there's been at least one practice here at Stave 407 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: Farm Stadium in which he beat someone one on one, 408 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, making a great acrobatic catch in the 409 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: sideline or coming across the middle. He's not afraid to 410 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: get hit, and he's I looks like I've got a 411 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: foot on him, you and I both as far as 412 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: his size, Yet he's so much better than you and 413 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: I Darren Well on the football field anyway. First of all, 414 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite a foot. I don't think 415 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: he's I wish I was a little taller, or would 416 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: have been helpful when I played basketball, But because I'm 417 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: pretty sure he's not five three, but I would say 418 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: that seven. Yeah, I'm not six seven, that's for sure, 419 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: sixty three and you're not six seven either. Look, I 420 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: agree with all all those thoughts. And at one point 421 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: where did I tweet, I said he's on the roster 422 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: right like he's it would seem like that would happen. 423 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: But I think this team's gonna have some choices to 424 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: make on offense. They're gonna have to figure out exactly 425 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: which receivers they want to keep. They're gonna have to 426 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: figure out what running backs they're gonna want to keep there, 427 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: and I don't think those are easy answers. And yeah, 428 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: you've got enough room on your practice squad to stick 429 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: them on there, but they would have to clear waivers. 430 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: And the way some of these guys have played, you know, 431 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: does that happen? I mean, after watching the running backs 432 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: this weekend, Like I like Kiante Ingram, but I like 433 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: Jonathan Ward, and I like James Connor and and I 434 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: like you know, Benjamin and I think Darryl Williams is 435 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: going to be around. So I don't think you're gonna 436 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: have five running backs. I would seem to be a 437 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: little bit much unless you go light somewhere else. I 438 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: still think you're gonna keep three quarterbacks. But see where 439 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna go light. I mean, you know what there is? 440 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: There is no going light. Yeah, it's it's a fascinating 441 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: conversation that we're sitting here having in mid August that 442 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: will go until almost mid September, all right before week one. 443 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: As far as your final fifty three, what do you 444 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: do at certain positions? The final fifty three gets September fourth, 445 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: I think it's not mid September. Well, mid September is 446 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: when the season begins, Oh, September eleven, it's close enough. 447 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: September the cut to fifty three. Now, of course that's 448 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: always changing, but we're gonna see that because this is 449 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: gonna get They teams had to get to eighty five 450 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: this week. Cardinals already made those cuts. Next Tuesday, they'll 451 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: have to make a cut to eighty so there'll be 452 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: five more cuts after the Ravens game, and my guests 453 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: would be those cuts would come Monday, because the team 454 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: flies out to Tennessee to practice on Tuesday, and you're 455 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: not gonna take five guys that you don't plan on having, 456 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: so they'll probably make those cuts Monday, and then the 457 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: following Tuesday, after the preseason finale cuts are due. The 458 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: final cuts are due. It's gonna be busy time for you. 459 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: When isn't it a busy time for me? Craig. By 460 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: the way we teased at the top here on Cardinals 461 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: cover two presented by Honday, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 462 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: that history was made and Monday's practice, I know many 463 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: people believe that it was the black alternate helmets which 464 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: the history. By the way they looked sharp, Yes, I was. 465 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: I was thoroughly impressed, especially under the lights here at 466 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: State Farmer Stadium. Is a nice shine to them. The 467 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: players seemed to enjoy them. I think the logo, the 468 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: decalo's really cool. It's a fascinating Go toasy Cardinals dot 469 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: com in case you need to see for yourself the 470 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: video and the pictures. But the real history to me, 471 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Darren and you kind of got a glimpse of it 472 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: on Friday, but it was pre preseason. I'm surprised the 473 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: season pregame practice doesn't matter. I'm surprised you've been able 474 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: to sleep at all, Craig, because this has been such 475 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: a concern of yours that I don't know if it's 476 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: getting ulcer over it. I don't know concerns the right word, 477 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: just more sounded like an anxious Interesting, But the fact 478 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: that not only was Kyler Murray on the field, but 479 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown was on the field and they were actually 480 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: throwing and catching. The first completion between Kyler Murray and 481 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown in practice happened on Monday. That's true, only 482 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: took until August fifteenth, fifteen practice season. We finally got 483 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: it one to two. Is Paul Calvci like September eleventh 484 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: is the first game? Is that what it is? So? 485 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: I were saying there's still a month before we have 486 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: to worry about it. What were you panicking about picking Brady? 487 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: We're leaving for two weeks. How important can training can't be? 488 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: He's got seven Super Bowls? What does that have to 489 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: do with anything that's in the past. Did you win 490 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl for the twenty twenty two season? He 491 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: did not? Okay, not yet. It just it was it 492 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: was something that people have been waiting to see, and 493 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: they're still waiting to see because people people, Craig Grilu, 494 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: come on, Cardinal Pans, I am not alone here. People 495 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: have been waiting and they're gonna still have to wait 496 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: because well, we're not gonna see it probably on Sunday. 497 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like starters are gonna play. If Kingsbury gets asked, 498 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: what about starts? All very similar to last week? Okay, 499 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: well that means twenty some of my players are gonna 500 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: be on the field. So we're just getting little small 501 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: bits and pieces correct, and that's what that's what it's 502 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna be. We want to save something for Andy Reid. 503 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: It's got to be special for Andy Reid. Forget Andy Reid, 504 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: what about Craig riel lou and what about all the 505 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: other cardinal fans out there, Darren that have been anxiously awaiting, 506 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: and when you just the emails that I get to 507 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: say that that say what about Craig Rilu. You're absolutely right, 508 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: you get you get. You get other emails than I do, 509 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: but I get I get those once in a while. 510 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: By the way, the mail bag I'm predicting this week 511 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: might have a venus Williams question and help or something that. No, no, 512 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: because I've already better at all the questions for this 513 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: week because I'm working on it, and there's no venus 514 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: when nobody cared to be posted later on Monday, because 515 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: I read it'll be first thing Tuesday. I read everything 516 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: that you write. I know you are. You are really 517 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: good about that. I gotta give you credit for that. 518 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: Even edit sometimes well that's also true. Thank god, Darren, 519 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I know you've got a busy day, you 520 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: got a busy week. You have to work all week long, 521 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: practicing every single day this week, no days off, no 522 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: vet days for Darren. URBAN need to get you on 523 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: the Rodney Hudson Plan. Ten million dollars. Do I get that? Sure? Okay, 524 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: take it off the top off my paycheck. And on 525 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition 526 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday, proud partner of 527 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive 528 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: producer Joe Momandro for Darren Urban, I'm Greg Riol Loup. 529 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.