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Speaker 1: Problems solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam to the ground by foot a

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Speaker 1: baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I scared and nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. Well, we are

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Speaker 1: gathered here together today, gentlemen, to talk about one of

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Speaker 1: the top ten teams according to NFL dot Com. When

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Speaker 1: it comes to Biggest Bandwagons twenty twenty one, you can't

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Speaker 1: have an offseason without a bandwagon and without a ranking

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Speaker 1: power pole upset bandwagons, and at last check real time

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Speaker 1: check of the powerpole of offseason bandwagons, the Cardinals rate

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Speaker 1: six according to NFL dot Com. But once again, another

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Speaker 1: reason not to show up in week one and just

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Speaker 1: four fit the game, apparently is because the Tennessee Titans

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Speaker 1: are number one in the offseason bandwagon category. As we say,

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Speaker 1: welcome into Cardinals Underground, Paul KLVC, Darren Urban, and Kalod,

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Speaker 1: We're getting dangerously close to the part where Paul people

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Speaker 1: start thinking Paul KLVCI works for the Titans. I mean cheese.

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Speaker 1: I'm just passing along all the flowery praise of the Titans,

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Speaker 1: and I hope, you know what, I hope they're reading it,

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Speaker 1: on our Cardinals, because I'm going to continue to reiterate

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Speaker 1: and repeat all this and hope they believe in they

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Speaker 1: start smelling them selves and they set themselves up for

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Speaker 1: a big SmackDown in Week one. Paul has no idea

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Speaker 1: who the Cardinals playing Week two guaranteed one game at

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Speaker 1: a time. Kyle That's that's how it works around. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you rather have a I mean, if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: a team without a bandwagon in an offseason, that's not

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Speaker 1: a good sign. It's just not Well. They shorted a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams in this bandwagon pole because they put

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Speaker 1: names into the teams, like Joe Burrow is on the

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Speaker 1: biggest bandwagon. So it wasn't just teams, it was also individuals.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. I'm surprised, actually JJ Watt didn't

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Speaker 1: We'll take that. Um, here's the thing about the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: And once again we're forecasting football camps starting real soon,

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Speaker 1: right around the corner, and there's the known, there's the unknown,

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Speaker 1: there's what we think we know. And we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the defense. And I think of what Kyler Murray told

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Speaker 1: five finish, and Kyler's response was, and I quote, you

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Speaker 1: just didn't know which team you were getting interesting, What

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Speaker 1: when you brought up Pat McAfee and Kyler Murray, I

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Speaker 1: So that's probably good. Let's not, Darren, because you actually

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Speaker 1: defensive podcast and there Paul, are you an assistant producer

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Speaker 1: for the Pat McAfee show giving them content? I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: So that's part of it. But I mean, I do

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Speaker 1: They're not into that anymore. It's still points alloud, at

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Speaker 1: Football Outsiders does a good job profoll focus and they

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's a fair reference point if you take.

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Speaker 1: I'm just take that plus plus. For example, a quarterback

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what a Son Reddick ends up

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Speaker 1: obviously they elected to invest elsewhere. Uh yeah, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddi guy. What's interesting is if you look at

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Speaker 1: I think he could have a big year. The question

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt thirty two. Are they deep enough in that

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Speaker 1: d line room, Darren where you like the rotation in

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Speaker 1: gain instead of three? And I think that's an important

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Speaker 1: part for zavan Collins to do and I'm interested to

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Speaker 1: see how he does. One of the big revelations in

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Speaker 1: the offseason, Bill Davis, inside linebackers coach, sharing with us

432
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Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage that last year Isaiah Simmons

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Speaker 1: trained at six different positions. Hey half, Now, some of

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Speaker 1: that was precipitated by the fact that Vandre Campbell was

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Speaker 1: still the starter and they wanted to get him on

436
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Speaker 1: the field obviously, but to Darren's point about m could

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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy be the outside it wouldn't be the first

438
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Speaker 1: time that the defensive coaching staff has sandbagged a little bit,

439
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Speaker 1: a little bit about going into the season about how

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Speaker 1: they're going to use certain guys, because that was not

441
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Speaker 1: the narrative going into last year that Isaiah Simmons was

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Speaker 1: still going to be used in a Clemson type style

443
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Speaker 1: and all these variety of positions. Now, in fact, they

444
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Speaker 1: made it so they sat over and over how he

445
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Speaker 1: was only the inside linebacker. Not so much. I think

446
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Speaker 1: that's fair, and I look, there's going to be that

447
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Speaker 1: certain amount of subterfuge, although gamesmanship not sure one hundred

448
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Speaker 1: percent how much that really impacts anything in the long run,

449
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Speaker 1: but whatever, Yeah, I mean you saw it last year.

450
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Speaker 1: The one game he's playing free safety, the next game

451
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Speaker 1: he's playing outside linebacker, the game after that he's playing

452
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Speaker 1: some slot like he can move around. Obviously, that's one

453
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Speaker 1: of his biggest strengths. And I think it goes back

454
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Speaker 1: to last year where they they use him depending on matchups.

455
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Speaker 1: So he could definitely be an outside linebacker against mobile

456
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and then play the slot against maybe a bigger

457
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Speaker 1: wide receiver and play safety. I think he's definitely gonna

458
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Speaker 1: play inside linebacker or the most But if you like

459
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Speaker 1: Tannor Vallejo, or if Jordan Hicks is on this team

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Speaker 1: and you feel like he can play with Daven on

461
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Speaker 1: the inside and move Isaiah around, I think you want

462
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Speaker 1: to have those possibilities. You have to be versatile on

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Speaker 1: defense because of matchups and because of injuries. Hey, what's

464
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Speaker 1: not to like about Tanner Vallejo and his dozen tackles

465
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Speaker 1: against the Rams in Week seventeen. Dude came in him.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Tanner Vallehill, you know, I mean one of

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Speaker 1: the things. Okay, Darren mentioned Darren mentioned that don't get

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Speaker 1: off track here. Darren mentioned the whole daydream aspect, right

469
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Speaker 1: thinking about what was you regretted some prediction? It was

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Speaker 1: it was the last podcast when we were talking about

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Speaker 1: Rodney HUDs and then you wish you had gone with

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt and okay, all right, you just got to

473
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Speaker 1: talk through those predictions and pretend they never happened. Man,

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Speaker 1: mine's a little bit different. I don't have these regrets

475
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Speaker 1: necessary J Watt catching a pass, but I do put

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Speaker 1: myself in the shoes of oh I don't know a

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Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. So the moment I'm putting myself in the

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Speaker 1: shoes of any NFL quarterback, you automatically know it's a daydream.

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Speaker 1: And it goes essays, actually the shoots not fit so true.

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Speaker 1: I am making this up on the fly. But it's

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Speaker 1: third down in seven, it's the fourth quarter, you're down

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. You need this game winning drive, game time drive,

483
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Speaker 1: and you're Ryan Tannehill, and all of a sudden on

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Speaker 1: third and seven. It's getting pretty funky. At the line

485
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Speaker 1: of scrimmage. You're doing an extended snap count. You're trying

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Speaker 1: to decipher and discern what the Cardinals are doing. And

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Speaker 1: I'm looking to my left and I got Chandler Jones,

488
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking to my right. In this ninety nine

489
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Speaker 1: guy is grunting and snorting. And then in the A

490
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Speaker 1: gap here's Zavan Galland's muggy. No he drops off. Here

491
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Speaker 1: comes Isaiah Simmons, he's mugging in the other A gap,

492
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Speaker 1: and oh no, here's Buddha Baker coming down in off

493
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Speaker 1: the edge. Who exactly is coming where and when and

494
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Speaker 1: how is this going? And there's a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: that can make a lot of plays at the disposal

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Speaker 1: of Advanced Joseph, and it's gonna be intriguing for opposing

497
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks to try and figure out, Okay, you know who

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Speaker 1: am I starting with and trying to figure out who

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Speaker 1: I'm reading first. And I just think with that number

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Speaker 1: of guys who can potentially especially blitz because we know

501
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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph's proclivity to blitz and I think they had

502
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Speaker 1: a top three blitz raid overall right in the NFL.

503
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Speaker 1: I just I'm intrigued by the options at the disposal

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Speaker 1: of the defensive coordinator, albeit a very long time to

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Speaker 1: get there with that story. No, I mean you look

506
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Speaker 1: back and that's one of the things you remember about

507
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Speaker 1: the defense is how lethal that jet blitz was. And

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Speaker 1: they got the interception of Russell Wilson off of that

509
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Speaker 1: blitz and also the sack of Russell Wilson by Bayer Murphy.

510
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Speaker 1: It was extremely effective. And the big question to me

511
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Speaker 1: is how much do you have to manufacture this season

512
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Speaker 1: versus how much can you rush for? And JJ Watt

513
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Speaker 1: and Chandler and Jones can just get there because as

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Speaker 1: effective as a blitz is, obviously it's a bigger risk

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Speaker 1: because you're bringing sometimes seven guys, and then those guys

516
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Speaker 1: are on an island on the back end and you

517
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Speaker 1: can get burnt. So in a perfect world, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to blitz very often. You can just use it

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Speaker 1: when you want to. Last year they had to do it,

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Speaker 1: and I think Vance Joseph was great at it. But

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Speaker 1: up to I think if it's up to him, he'll say,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be a luxury. I can use it exactly

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Speaker 1: when I want, but I can rely on four up

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Speaker 1: front to get consistent pressure. And I do think they

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Speaker 1: can get that pressure this year. When you look at

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Speaker 1: that front four biggest concern on defense, I'll go first.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be inexperienced inside linebacker, is it not.

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Speaker 1: That's as much as we want to talk about corner

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Speaker 1: and whether they have the talent and they have the

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Speaker 1: manpower at corner. The inexperienced inside linebacker bunges my boxers

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Speaker 1: more than anything else. What about you, Darren, I think

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Speaker 1: I will remain as well. You took You took a

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Speaker 1: pretty easy one there, and I noticed why you went first.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty look Vans Joe said he's been here and

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Speaker 1: done this with a young Patrick Willison, Navarrel Bowman and

536
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Speaker 1: they simplified it when he was with the Niners. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that that gives you some confidence he's gonna gain plan accordingly,

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Speaker 1: I do think for me it's ultimately going to be

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Speaker 1: and this is you want the biggest concern, and maybe

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Speaker 1: this isn't the biggest concer. I guess I would go

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Speaker 1: with with the past coverage. In the cornerbacks. I think

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler was solid last year. I do think Byron

543
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Speaker 1: Murphy's trending up, but this is such a passing league.

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Speaker 1: I hesitated a little bit because I think of this

545
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Speaker 1: defensive line. I think JJ Watt is going to be good,

546
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Speaker 1: but he's getting older, and Chandler Jones is coming off

547
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Speaker 1: a major injury, and Jordan Phillips was hurt last year

548
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Speaker 1: and has had really one good season to really stand on.

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Speaker 1: And I do think there's something to be there. But

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Speaker 1: I guess I would go with cornerbacks. And I just

551
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Speaker 1: did two things, and I'm sorry, cough, no, I agreat's health.

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Speaker 1: I think when some of your best players are older

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Speaker 1: and coming off of major injuries, and if you if

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Speaker 1: you don't have Chandler Jones and JJ Watt at the

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Speaker 1: same time, for a significant stretch at all in twenty

556
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Speaker 1: twenty one, you're gonna have a hard time being even

557
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Speaker 1: an average defense. So I think when those guys are

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Speaker 1: on the field, I'm very bullish about this defense. I

559
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Speaker 1: think from a talent perspective, it's the most talented defense

560
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Speaker 1: that we've seen in several seasons, and I think playing

561
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Speaker 1: well together would be a big thing. Like I think

562
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Speaker 1: the cornerbacks is certainly the biggest concern when you look

563
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Speaker 1: at position groups, but I still think they can make

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Speaker 1: it work because of the strength of the other ones.

565
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Speaker 1: But a couple injuries to Watt and Jones, this defense

566
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Speaker 1: is going to have trouble. And then, because it always

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Speaker 1: gets back to the Titans in Week one, Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, you you you I noticed that the shoes

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Speaker 1: you were trying to fit in were Ryan Tannehill. I

570
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: mean you had the entire league, right, You couldn't say

571
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson or they'd actually fit one game at a time.

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Speaker 1: The first White what what was the coming Darren Sprowles,

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Speaker 1: that's it? Where's Rondale Moore when I need? Where do

574
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Speaker 1: I need? Right? Rondale Moore? You know, find a minute

575
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Speaker 1: of American We'll see when one of the best stats

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Speaker 1: out there, and you know what you want to talk

577
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Speaker 1: about defense. I want to see what opposing defenses look

578
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: like trying to tackle that young man. If everything they're taking,

579
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Speaker 1: they're saying about him is true, right down to the

580
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Speaker 1: teleport comment from Drew Grigson from the Cardinals front office

581
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Speaker 1: and all these other metrics there, Kyle, is I catered

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Speaker 1: your you know, tendency towards the numbers of making guys

583
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Speaker 1: miss at a historic rate. So I mean, if there

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Speaker 1: is one guy in these preseason games that I want

585
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Speaker 1: to see, obviously it's Rondelle Moore. Is there anyone on

586
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Speaker 1: the defensive side that you're looking forward to seeing in

587
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: the three preseason games? I was gonna say, are you

588
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: getting paid per Rondel Moore reference? You're sticking him into

589
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Speaker 1: this defensive podcast. He's going to play the Titans before

590
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: we know. If JJ Watkin catch passes Rondelle Moore, maybe

591
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: you can cover someone in the slot. I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now i'd like to see Marco Wilson. I think, like

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Speaker 1: we've said, I don't personally think he's going to be

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Speaker 1: in that cornerback mix because of all the veterans ahead

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Speaker 1: of him, and I think he's gonna have to show

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Speaker 1: out quickly in camp to be under consideration. But he's

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Speaker 1: got the athleticism. We know, he's got the stature, the

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Speaker 1: good size, the good length, all the physical tools are there.

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Speaker 1: So maybe he's the one guy among that late round,

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Speaker 1: third day group that I think maybe could surprise and

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Speaker 1: try to get in that mix. I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: still a bit of a long shot, but Marco Wilson,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have an eye on. I'm gonna split my vote, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I'm apologize. I mean Zaven Collins obviously we want to

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Speaker 1: see him in real games, but I think the other

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Speaker 1: one I want to see as we're going to the

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Speaker 1: bus after the New Orleans game, I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that Robert Alford has nothing on his foot or

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Speaker 1: arms or anything. He's walking like a normal human being. Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, hey, he got props from Buddha

611
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Speaker 1: in the off season saying he's locking stuff down, so

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Speaker 1: you know, and we've talked about this, there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot you can discern from the offseason. Bought a corner.

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Speaker 1: If a corner's keeping up, you know, and even though

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Speaker 1: they're non contact, if he's keeping up and not getting

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Speaker 1: completely burned, and you know he's there and he's stepped

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Speaker 1: for step with a DeAndre Hopkins. That tell you many

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00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: cornerbacks have been cut in the off season because they've

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Speaker 1: just been absolutely roasted and toasted during cover drills. So

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Speaker 1: if Robert Alford I think we'll be able to tell

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Speaker 1: on camp if he's still got it. That's a good point,

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Speaker 1: even just the one on one type stuff, and that's

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Speaker 1: you're just out on an island and can you physically

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Speaker 1: hold up? So I agree, and not just Robert Alford,

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00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: not just Marco Wilson, that entire cornerback group beyond Bayern Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's giving me watching the rest of those guys to

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Speaker 1: see how they perform, because you guys know field level,

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Speaker 1: it is impressive to see a Marco Wilson and a

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Speaker 1: Tay Gowan, who's even taller, I mean, he's almost all

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Speaker 1: a six two. Just to see those two guys as

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks and can you flip your hips though, that's that's

632
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Speaker 1: corner the measurables, and just to see him and so

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Speaker 1: we'll find out. We'll find out. But they definitely look

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00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: the part and then there was a comment from Buddha.

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Speaker 1: Once again, we purposely leave this to the very end,

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Speaker 1: so Kyle does not have much time to comment and

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Speaker 1: disagree with your astruel. But if you are, you're disagreeing

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00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: with Buddha Baker when he says about this year's defense

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Speaker 1: and the infusion of leaderships. Quote, now, we're able to

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Speaker 1: hold each other accountable, and that's something guys haven't really

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Speaker 1: done the past few years. Hold each other accountable end

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Speaker 1: quote booted to the media, which I thought was one

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Speaker 1: of the most telling quotes that we heard in the

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Speaker 1: off season. Okay, what does that mean exactly Kyle's answer

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Speaker 1: to that. But but guess what you know? If there

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Speaker 1: is a JJ Watt who was at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: every drill, and he's getting to know every single guy

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Speaker 1: in that defense. So, in his words, at least what

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Speaker 1: Buddha told us on the Big Red Rage, JJ wants

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Speaker 1: he wants to be able to interact and talk to

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Speaker 1: every single guy, and that accountability seems to be there,

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Speaker 1: at least in a greater quantity than it has been

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. All I know is

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Speaker 1: I read the Jeff Perlman book about the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: in the mid nineties and there was a striking lack

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Speaker 1: of accountability on the Cowboys and they still managed to

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Speaker 1: win Super Bowls. Yeah, but that was in regards to

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Speaker 1: the law. Not a good down in terms of the

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Speaker 1: locker room in football. That was just outside of the

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Speaker 1: locker room. They weren't diva's in there, Michael Irvin, Dion Slanders.

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Speaker 1: They were fine in the locker room. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was all bunny a leadership in there. But it was

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Speaker 1: just when it came to law abiding citizens, there was

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Speaker 1: local police department. That's my point. That just give me

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Speaker 1: the good players. Okay, all right, Well anything else, guys

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Speaker 1: that we have failed to cover do we need as

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Speaker 1: we're on the verge of training camp here, is there

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Speaker 1: anything we need to see say about the special teams?

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Speaker 1: By the way, the prop bet once again, there's two

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Speaker 1: prop bets out there. J J. Watt will we or

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Speaker 1: will we not catch a pass? Calvic and Deret Urban

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Speaker 1: say yes, Kyle says no. What about the return for

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Speaker 1: touchdown this year? Kickoff return? Probably not put right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I think I'm on the record. Is a

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Speaker 1: punt return touchdown. I'm going from touchdown boy, Rondelmore, Well,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna teleport, No one's gonna be able to touch him.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely's gonna have like eighty of us right untouched the

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Speaker 1: end zone, first time on a punt return since Ted

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Speaker 1: Gain twenty fourteen. Is the stack crust standing game. You're

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Speaker 1: a stand game. There you go. Okay, all right, so

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Speaker 1: there you If you're a fortune teller, Okay, there you go.

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