Speaker 1: Hello, friends, and welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast. Wide receiver ranks for Week fifteen, your
Speaker 1: Fantasy football playoffs, as long as you are sane ending
Speaker 1: in week seventeen, don't do the week eighteen thing, please,
Speaker 1: I'm let's say, I guess if you're doing the double matches.
Speaker 1: But we're going to be talking about wide receiver ranks
Speaker 1: courtesy of Fantasy Pros, and where we're ranking these guys
Speaker 1: for a very very important playoff run, big decisions to make,
Speaker 1: big Thursday night football game. All of it's there, and
Speaker 1: of course we've got the great Pat Fitzmore, Scott Pianowski,
Speaker 1: I'm Chris Welsh. We are ready to jump into these
Speaker 1: wide receiver ranks, though I will ask you as a
Speaker 1: setup too later in the show. Fits will Debo be
Speaker 1: ranked above Juwan Jennings again this week?
Speaker 2: He will not.
Speaker 3: That was a grievous error on my part last week.
Speaker 3: I greatly regret it. I apologize profusely to anyone.
Speaker 2: It's advice on Deebo, Samuel though.
Speaker 1: They are setting everybody up for party. I gotta get
Speaker 1: them the ball more. George Kittle, Deebo's going to have
Speaker 1: that big game it's coming. They're trying to.
Speaker 2: Set us up weeky wheel game.
Speaker 1: Fool me once you know that the rest of the trill
Speaker 1: and I think Scott, you're with me on this one.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: We already had a DEVO conversation in the RB ranks here,
Speaker 1: wide receivers, If you gentlemen are ready to get into this,
Speaker 1: let's roll the big board. We get to see Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase at number one. Buoy? Has Jamar Chase been just
Speaker 1: a fantastic call on the year and get get I
Speaker 1: got icy the last couple of years about Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: and just being like he's definitively just number one. Is
Speaker 1: just such a good call by all you guys that
Speaker 1: were in on Jamar Chase. Especially shout out to the
Speaker 1: guys like Ericson who went number one overall last year
Speaker 1: and then came back to it this year. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's what you're about to say.
Speaker 3: Fits Yep, Erickson had him number one. He was Erickson's
Speaker 3: one on one all along, like as far back as
Speaker 3: like last February. I mean, very impressive call.
Speaker 1: Missing it last year and then coming back and just
Speaker 1: you know, standing on business like he did so shout
Speaker 1: out to Ericson for that and the crew. As Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase goes nuts back to the ranks of the Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase at number one for this week, Nico Collins, Pukuakua,
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, a Monro, Saint Brown that your top five,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Kill, AJ Brown, Ceedelamb, Mike Evans, Terry McLaurin, Courtland Sutton,
Speaker 1: and Cooper Cup two rams going up against the nine
Speaker 1: ers in the top twelve. These are all starts, These
Speaker 1: are all fantastic plays. But let's talk about one thing.
Speaker 1: A wide receiver that you guys have higher than consensus
Speaker 1: on the ECR is Terry McLaurin. Terry McLaurin comes in
Speaker 1: at wide receiver ten this week, going up against New Orleans,
Speaker 1: which I will note is the worst matchup rating of
Speaker 1: the top twelve according to Fantasy Pros. We have the
Speaker 1: five star rating system just as an easy visual for
Speaker 1: you guys. The worst visual rating, well, I guess Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase also has a two star, but Jamar Chase by
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin with a two star matchup rating, but both
Speaker 1: of you guys are higher. Scott is at eight, but
Speaker 1: Fitzy you're at six, so let's kick it and start
Speaker 1: with you. You've got Terry McLaurin at wide receiver six this week,
Speaker 1: you are starting him over. I'm guessing I'm not looking
Speaker 1: at your rank, but the CD Lambs, the Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: the AJ Browns of the world. So talk to us
Speaker 1: about Terry mc lauren.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I disagree with the matchup rating. I think the
Speaker 3: Saints are good matchup. They don't have a cornerback who
Speaker 3: concerns me at all. I mean, like, it's just not
Speaker 3: a good group of cornerbacks in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: So don't fear the matchup.
Speaker 3: And it is amazing how productive Terry McLaurin has been
Speaker 3: this season, considering that he has had double digit targets
Speaker 3: exactly once this season.
Speaker 2: And here's how he's done it.
Speaker 3: He's averaging a career best ten point nine yards per
Speaker 3: target and has already scored a career high nine touchdowns.
Speaker 3: And you know, McLaurin was on a heater before the
Speaker 3: Commanders had their Week fourteen by He had five catches
Speaker 3: one hundred and two yards and a touchdown against the
Speaker 3: Cowboys in Week twelve, then eight catches seventy three yards,
Speaker 3: two touchdowns against the Titans in Week thirteen.
Speaker 2: Ride the hot hand and keep going with McLaurin.
Speaker 1: Scott, you are on the high rank of Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 1: We did something on the Prediction Show. We were talking
Speaker 1: about big play. I had a wide receiver who thought
Speaker 1: was gonna have a big, like fifty yard plus touchdown
Speaker 1: this here, and then Ryan Wormley brought up a handful
Speaker 1: of players. It was like, you know, five players that
Speaker 1: had four or more fifty plus yard plays this season,
Speaker 1: and Terry McLaurin was one of those. Because he's also
Speaker 1: just been a big deep play option as Jade McDaniels
Speaker 1: has shown off, just some really good accuracy and getting
Speaker 1: him the ball. Though we didn't see volume early on,
Speaker 1: that seems to have turned where he's now getting a
Speaker 1: lot more volume. So a very aggressive wide receiver eight
Speaker 1: rank this week. Again we're poking here. It's not like
Speaker 1: you know you're going to go and really sit the
Speaker 1: Suttons or the aj Browns of the world and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But Terry McLaurin, if you got him, you
Speaker 1: are very very high in a must dart range.
Speaker 6: Yeah, always been one of my favorite players. Just nice
Speaker 6: to see him finally getting a plus quarterback to work with.
Speaker 6: I do wish the volume were a little bit better.
Speaker 6: He only has one game with double digit targets, where
Speaker 6: I feel like he should be getting those games every
Speaker 6: other week or something like that. But the consistency, right,
Speaker 6: it was at four or five seven of the last
Speaker 6: eight games he's been in the top twenty. He was
Speaker 6: wide receiver seven and wide receiver two and half point
Speaker 6: PPR scoring before that bye week. As far as the
Speaker 6: points allowed stuff, I mean, New Orleans has allowed the
Speaker 6: ninth most points to Fantasy wide receivers. Now, some people
Speaker 6: might say, well, so what all I care about is outliers.
Speaker 6: Tell me who's really really horrible, Tell me who's really
Speaker 6: really good. So if you want to just lump in
Speaker 6: New Orleans to the anonymous middle, that's fine with me too.
Speaker 6: And remember they traded their best cornerback in the middle
Speaker 6: of the season to Washington. There's nothing to fear in
Speaker 6: this matchup, and when they do make downfield plays, it's
Speaker 6: usually McLaurin. On the other end, he'll probably have to
Speaker 6: cut his score on seven to nine targets because they
Speaker 6: just don't pepper him off the bus. Not the way
Speaker 6: they're constituted, but I give you stats right now, he's
Speaker 6: going to have six catches eighty two yards in a
Speaker 6: touchdown and that's going to taste pretty good.
Speaker 1: In Week fifteen, I'm going to take that bad boy.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one off sheet question. If you
Speaker 1: had to pick one wide receiver on here that is
Speaker 1: going to fail to come close to their rank. And
Speaker 1: I know it's tough because of these are the wide
Speaker 1: receiver ones, But if you had a question about the production,
Speaker 1: a question about the player being able to come back
Speaker 1: with the general vicinity where they are ranked in these
Speaker 1: wide receiver ones, who would you pick? And Scott will
Speaker 1: start with you again. If you're looking Chase Collins, Pooka, Jefferson,
Speaker 1: Saint Brown, Tyreek, AJ Brown, Lamb Evans, McLaurin, Sutton Cup
Speaker 1: who gives that little tingle in the back where you're
Speaker 1: a little bit nervous about.
Speaker 6: Man, I love I'm Underuss Saint Brown, but you can't
Speaker 6: ignore that this is one of the run heaviest teams
Speaker 6: in the league. He's been outside the top thirty and
Speaker 6: three straight starts. Tim Patrick is now just a month
Speaker 6: to feed. I mean, he's not in front of Saint
Speaker 6: Brown in the pecking order, but he's just another guy
Speaker 6: for them to target.
Speaker 5: We know they want to run the ball.
Speaker 6: We know that they're just not They were a carnival
Speaker 6: Detroit was in previous seasons. Right now it's a team.
Speaker 6: They play bullyball. They control the game with the line
Speaker 6: of scrimmage. They have two dominant running backs and Sat
Speaker 6: getting more involved too, by the way. Just not fine
Speaker 6: for sure, for sure. So Saint Brown, who is just
Speaker 6: a target off the bus guy is now. You know,
Speaker 6: I talked about McLaurin having to do it with maybe
Speaker 6: modest volume. That's kind of who Saint Brown is now.
Speaker 6: For a while, he was also getting a touchdown every week.
Speaker 6: He hasn't scored in the last three weeks. I know
Speaker 6: touchdowns can be a little bit hit or miss, but
Speaker 6: Saint Brown will probably have a good game. But you're
Speaker 6: gonna have to do it with seven or eight targets.
Speaker 6: Where you look at some of these other guys, and
Speaker 6: we know Nakua already has twelve targets. We know Nico
Speaker 6: Collins how important he is to their offense in Houston.
Speaker 6: What a fun thing they got cooking in Minnesota where
Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson is a star, and I think people are
Speaker 6: finally remembering that Jordan Adison won the bullet in the
Speaker 6: coff too. He was also a first round pick the
Speaker 6: Vikings Man. I wonder if they run it back next
Speaker 6: year with Sam Darnold will have to sign him. I mean,
Speaker 6: I just want more of this. You know, I would
Speaker 6: follow Kevin O'Connell into a burning building. I still have
Speaker 6: Saint Brown in my top five, and even if I
Speaker 6: move him down, it won't be outside the top ten.
Speaker 6: But I think we have to reevaluate what's plausible for
Speaker 6: his volume projection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not trying to set you guys up
Speaker 1: to be like this guy will stink, but it's like,
Speaker 1: who's the guy that makes you score him a little bit?
Speaker 1: When you look at this top twelve fits the question
Speaker 1: thrown to you. We got a Manrov for Scott who
Speaker 1: say you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alman Rav was a really good call. I think
Speaker 3: he's been a little bit over ranked lately. But I'm
Speaker 3: going to say Cooper Copp just because Puka and Nkua
Speaker 3: has become such a monster and we were expressing our
Speaker 3: admiration for him before we turn on the mics and
Speaker 3: It's just I can't wait to draft Pooka in the
Speaker 3: back half of the first round in twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: drafts because I know a lot of people are going
Speaker 3: to be unfairly fading him, just because the time he
Speaker 3: missed is going to diminish the overall season long stats
Speaker 3: for him. But just like, remember how good this is
Speaker 3: looking right now for Poka ni Kua, Like fantastic route runner,
Speaker 3: great after the catch, amazing at the catch point, makes acrobatic.
Speaker 2: Catches like he does it all.
Speaker 3: And you know, like Cooper Cup is the sidekick right now.
Speaker 1: Cup sometimes almost plays like a tight end role too,
Speaker 1: like and how he's not going deep, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: twelve little yard outs and safety nets. Second read that
Speaker 1: was it's funny that you did that, because that was
Speaker 1: the guy that made me think of the question when
Speaker 1: I was looking at this is like if someone was
Speaker 1: going to see lamb might have been an obvious answer
Speaker 1: to So glad to see you guys both and do that.
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Speaker 1: dot com. Slash Fantasy Wide Receiver Two's wide Receiver thirteen
Speaker 1: through twenty four. We start off with mister T. Higgins.
Speaker 1: We've got Drake London, Devonte Adams, Jackson Smith and Jigba
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings at seventeen. Jerry Judy, Garrett Wilson, Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: there's your top twenty. We've got Malik Neighbors, A Flowers,
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and Lad Maconkey. That's your top twenty four.
Speaker 1: I did not put this. This was fits Fits controls
Speaker 1: some of the narrative of what we talk about. So
Speaker 1: I want everyone to know when I I say Juwan Jennings,
Speaker 1: this was not my fault. ECR seventeen. I was very
Speaker 1: defensive of him last week. Did not care about X
Speaker 1: receiver with the Bears. Just said, watch, watch what Juwan
Speaker 1: Jennings is gonna do. Bam FITZI you're lower than ECR,
Speaker 1: but you're still in a good spot. But Scott you
Speaker 1: are the high man. So let's actually first start with
Speaker 1: Scott here. You've got him at sixteen. You're a little
Speaker 1: bit higher than consensus. I'm a little bit higher than
Speaker 1: both of you. So go and check out the ranks
Speaker 1: if you want to see it, But talk to us
Speaker 1: about Juwan Jennings Scott, because like Deebo, Samuel is cooked.
Speaker 1: Maybe he will have one of these games like he's
Speaker 1: getting set up for the team. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That's not the point. Even if he does do it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't diminish your take away. The Juwan Jennings is
Speaker 1: the first read and that was something I kept placing
Speaker 1: three weeks prior to last week. Thirty five percent first
Speaker 1: read percentage, forty percent of the air yard share, and
Speaker 1: he was working out of the slot. They are working
Speaker 1: to get him the ball because he is the playmaker
Speaker 1: for this team.
Speaker 5: Right Yeah.
Speaker 6: I would argue that he showed Signatusi diff against in
Speaker 6: that first breakout game against the Rams, that eleven one
Speaker 6: seventy five to three detonation, and you can see how
Speaker 6: much brock Perty trusts him. He'll throw the ball when
Speaker 6: Jennings doesn't have a lot of separations. They've obviously run
Speaker 6: a lot of reps together and they have a good
Speaker 6: thing going, and they can want, i know, the squeaky
Speaker 6: real narrative and Deebo's like, hey I'm here, I'm just
Speaker 6: not getting the ball. So maybe they'll steer to that
Speaker 6: a little bit. But the Niners need to win out.
Speaker 6: They can't mess around with who's who's getting what. They
Speaker 6: need to lean into their best players, and right now
Speaker 6: their best receiver is Jennings. I mean, if you give
Speaker 6: him a pass for that snow game in Buffalo or
Speaker 6: really none of the Niners showed up. I mean, he's
Speaker 6: just smashing every week. He's off a wide receiver five
Speaker 6: performance last week, and he's almost never outside the top twenty.
Speaker 5: I think they're going to keep pressing an easy button.
Speaker 5: He can win outside.
Speaker 6: He's getting a ton of slot reps, as you talked
Speaker 6: about in those first target reads, are a really key
Speaker 6: stat that we've we've uncovered the last few years in
Speaker 6: data mining that you know, it's we want the guys
Speaker 6: who the play was to design for, and those players
Speaker 6: are designed for Jowan Jennings. Right now, I do think
Speaker 6: they'll try to get Debo involved. Maybe that means Debo
Speaker 6: has one of those games where he gets three or
Speaker 6: four carries. San Francisco has some injuries in the backfield,
Speaker 6: so that might make sense too.
Speaker 5: But I'll give you Juwan Jennings the stats.
Speaker 6: He's got seven catches, ninety one yards in a touchdown,
Speaker 6: take it to the bank.
Speaker 1: And you know, throwing in. I kind of agree. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if Diebo does do something. They gave
Speaker 1: him five carries last week, so it was over rushing
Speaker 1: marker hit. I do not believe a Grendo will play.
Speaker 1: That puts Patrick Taylor of anaconda and probably Debo playing
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, so he may still get his touches.
Speaker 1: But we do know, as you mentioned, Juwan Jennings lit
Speaker 1: up this team before, so FITZI, you've got him at twenty.
Speaker 1: That's a solid wide receiver too. This week, let's get
Speaker 1: your take on Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 3: Well, first, you might have forgotten about the great Kishan
Speaker 3: Vaughn in that backfield.
Speaker 2: No, So it's interesting.
Speaker 3: While you and I have done two start sit live
Speaker 3: streams together on Sunday mornings this year, I wasn't scheduled
Speaker 3: to be on any with you this year, but a
Speaker 3: couple of times I've pinch hit for Tom Strack and
Speaker 3: our good mutual friend. Those two weeks, you were like
Speaker 3: over the moon excited about two different players. The first
Speaker 3: week it was Bucky Irving, and Bucky went out and
Speaker 3: had either two or three touchdowns and almost two hundred
Speaker 3: yards of offense that week. Last week it was Juwan
Speaker 3: Jennings and Juwan Jennings had two touchdowns and almost one
Speaker 3: hundred yards.
Speaker 2: So your your track record.
Speaker 3: Of being thank you over the moon with players on
Speaker 3: those Sundays starts at live streams has been pretty darn good.
Speaker 2: When you've done those shows with me.
Speaker 1: Guess when I'm over zealous, that's your point, So thank
Speaker 1: you for the compliment. I guess when you hear me
Speaker 1: get really over zealous about a guy, maybe there's a
Speaker 1: semi positive at least those two weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So no teasing this and telling people to go
Speaker 3: look at our rankings. Where do you have Juwan Jennings
Speaker 3: rank this week?
Speaker 1: Thirteen? Right now? Twelve or thirteen? I will say I'm
Speaker 1: not pounding the table. My table pounding tends to come
Speaker 1: from when I see like the whole industry is just
Speaker 1: fading and not as excited. Everyone's excited about Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 1: So I think the expectation is there. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to compartmentalize. Is he destroyed the rams last time?
Speaker 1: And will the focus be do not let Juwan Jennings
Speaker 1: do this again. I don't know where the balance falls
Speaker 1: in that. I just know there's a safety net of
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings. But I'm not sitting here pounding the table
Speaker 1: to everyone that you guys are all low and you
Speaker 1: got to get in on him. I would not be
Speaker 1: shocked if Deebo Samuel is more involved in this game,
Speaker 1: especially with the team narrative out there, FITZI.
Speaker 6: At least the industry is finally ranking Jennings higher. When
Speaker 6: I was pounding the table a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 6: saying why isn't Jennings have a higher ECR than Deebo?
Speaker 1: That yeah, that was my thing last week on the show,
Speaker 1: with that exact conversation.
Speaker 3: So, and I was the guy you guys were pounding
Speaker 3: the table at. You guys were staring me in the
Speaker 3: face as you were pounding the table because I was
Speaker 3: the guy dramatically under ranking Juwan Jennings. I'm too low
Speaker 3: on him at wide Receiver twenty. I'll admit that I
Speaker 3: have to revise my ranking and move him up. You
Speaker 3: guys have sold me. I mean, Brandon Ayuk sustained his
Speaker 3: season ending injury in week seven, Jennings missed week seven
Speaker 3: and eight, and then the forty nine ers oat a
Speaker 3: week nine by Since week ten, Juwan Jennings is wide
Speaker 3: receiver thirteen in half point PPR fantasy points per game,
Speaker 3: and as Scott mentioned, that includes that Buffalo game where
Speaker 3: the passing games just weren't really working that day. So
Speaker 3: like he has been a stud, He's averaged fourteen point
Speaker 3: two half point PPR fantasy points per game over the
Speaker 3: last four weeks, and that's with the snow game.
Speaker 6: You know, I would argue, and I know this is
Speaker 6: later on the rank list that I don't know if
Speaker 6: it's in the script or not. I think the real
Speaker 6: problem isn't what to do with Juwan Jennings. If you
Speaker 6: have him, you're starting him, and you got him off waivers.
Speaker 5: You got him as it's really hard.
Speaker 6: To find an impactful receiver who's undrafted that they do happen.
Speaker 6: I know we talked a lot last year. You guys
Speaker 6: got Pookin Nakua in the pentathlon. The first week, which
Speaker 6: was a great hit you did Welsh. But I think
Speaker 6: the big problem here is what do you do with Deebo?
Speaker 6: Samuel Right, is he startable? Do you want your fan
Speaker 6: you do you have the stomach to bench him for
Speaker 6: Adam Feelin or you for Jacoby Myers, you know, for
Speaker 6: Jalen Waddall, who's inconsistent every week. Whatever it's left to
Speaker 6: DeAndre Hopkins. I think Deebo is actually one of the
Speaker 6: hardest players to rank this week.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question, and he's in the
Speaker 1: next range. But I think since we're here, we should
Speaker 1: just talk about it because he's ECR thirty five this
Speaker 1: week and that's generous. That's just generous to how he's produced.
Speaker 1: But I think we all have that there's this it's
Speaker 1: like the opposite, you know, the falling knife syndrome where
Speaker 1: it's like you don't want to catch the guy on
Speaker 1: the way down. There's almost this like we're waiting to
Speaker 1: catch We know there's a week coming for Deebo. We
Speaker 1: just cannot figure it out. The players and the team
Speaker 1: is are they're trying to signal that it's going to
Speaker 1: be this week. But how he's performed in a week
Speaker 1: on a week up basis, it's not close to you
Speaker 1: start dealing or Deebo Samuel, you start dealing. DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: is ranked below him. I don't think so. By the way,
Speaker 1: all my texts with Derek Brown last night are incoming
Speaker 1: ladder for DeAndre Hopkins. So like Deebo has not proven
Speaker 1: that range. I think that is a great question. And FITZI,
Speaker 1: when we throw that to you, what do you do
Speaker 1: with Deebo Sama, just since we're on this Niner conversation,
Speaker 1: because that is probably more of what's killing people than
Speaker 1: do I start Juwan Jennings. No, you guys all know,
Speaker 1: just start him, and you know hopefully you're gonna at
Speaker 1: worse get your five for seventy. But Deebo Samuel, we
Speaker 1: know what the downside is. It's nothing.
Speaker 3: I've got him ranked wide receiver forty right now. I've
Speaker 3: got him behind Amari Cooper, who hasn't really clicked with
Speaker 3: the Bills, although he did have a season high or
Speaker 3: at least Bills high fourteen targets last week. I've got
Speaker 3: him behind DeVante Smith, who's getting kneecapped by the lack
Speaker 3: of passing volume with the Eagles. Got him just ahead
Speaker 3: of Keenan Allen. The thing is, you would expect that
Speaker 3: the chaos and the forty nine ers backfield and all
Speaker 3: these injuries would be like driving Deebo's value through the ceiling,
Speaker 3: and it just hasn't happened yet. Like it's not there's
Speaker 3: something wrong with Deebo this year. It seems like, I mean,
Speaker 3: like the way he was letting balls go through his
Speaker 3: hands that that came against the Packers, and I know
Speaker 3: it was like a cold night game in Green Bay,
Speaker 3: but this this has just not been the Debo we're
Speaker 3: accustomed to. And maybe what was what Scott was saying
Speaker 3: in our running back show about debo and the number
Speaker 3: change is the key to it. Going from nineteen to
Speaker 3: one has just taken the magic away.
Speaker 1: There is probably something coming, and I won't lie as
Speaker 1: a Niner person. I bet Juanne Jennings and then I
Speaker 1: feel like every week I sprinkle something on debo, so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if something comes. In My narrative
Speaker 1: last week probably didn't hold one hundred percent where I
Speaker 1: was like, he's going to be more involved in the
Speaker 1: russing game because they're down another guy. He was a
Speaker 1: little bit, but like now, there's another guy most likely,
Speaker 1: and if it's down to Patrick Taylor and Abana Konda
Speaker 1: and the great Kishan Vaughan, would Debo be more involved
Speaker 1: with all of this? Maybe there's a possibility, but it's
Speaker 1: tough at best. He's a flex option or desperation wide
Speaker 1: receiver three. But there's a lot of other guys that
Speaker 1: sit in there, all right, So that was the wide
Speaker 1: receiver three side.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you for my own personal use, I'm considering.
Speaker 6: I'm not afraid to bench name players. Deebo's a name player.
Speaker 6: He is not produced for a long time playoff game.
Speaker 6: I have a really good receiver room, so he's basically
Speaker 6: a flex.
Speaker 5: For me already.
Speaker 6: Although if you play anybody Thursday, you should play them
Speaker 6: in the static position leave your flexibility open. But the
Speaker 6: way my roster is constructed, the only player is a
Speaker 6: fourteen team league, so it's a deep league. The only
Speaker 6: guy I could probably bench Deebo for would be for
Speaker 6: Hunter Henry, and I'm thinking of doing it. Do you
Speaker 6: how do you guys come by on a Debo versus
Speaker 6: Hunter Henry question?
Speaker 1: I'd play me personally. I'm playing Debo because there's that
Speaker 1: little part of me that wonders and thinks if the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are going to try to shove Debo
Speaker 1: in our face a little bit with all the public narrative,
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry isn't the type that I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a clear cut.
Speaker 6: I'm leaning there too, thinking that Deebo, even this compromised
Speaker 6: version of him, still has more touchdown equity than Henry does.
Speaker 5: What do you say fits?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still would go with Debo, even though I
Speaker 3: think Hunter Henry has averaged like a solid eleven PPR
Speaker 3: points with Drake may as the starter, like he's been
Speaker 3: pretty steady and consistent. But man, you just wonder if
Speaker 3: like one more running back injury with if Girndo in
Speaker 3: fact doesn't play, Like if this does mean that we
Speaker 3: finally see Deebo get like eight or nine carries.
Speaker 6: Deebo also reminds me of like when you see a
Speaker 6: baseball pitcher who's struggling and you live with it and
Speaker 6: you deal with it, and ant the end of the
Speaker 6: season's like, oh yeah, my shoulder's been barking since like
Speaker 6: May fifteenth, Right, I wonder if we're going to hear
Speaker 6: about Debo having some clean up surgery. It's in you know,
Speaker 6: January or February. Ah, yeah, okay, he played hurt and
Speaker 6: I salute that. And these guys are warriors. If I
Speaker 6: took one NFL hit, I'd probably never walk again. But
Speaker 6: he doesn't look like a guy he's healthy.
Speaker 5: Right now either.
Speaker 1: Well, here's some excuse I can promise you that, all right,
Speaker 1: and a wide receiver that you guys are your invatory.
Speaker 1: You're on the outside of the in between ECRs DK Metcalf,
Speaker 1: dk Metcalf ECR twenty three on this list, Scott, you're
Speaker 1: the lowman at twenty five, Fitch of the high guy
Speaker 1: at nineteen. He has kind of taken the backseat to
Speaker 1: JSN looking like the number one here, and he's becoming
Speaker 1: a pretty constant question that people don't trust, you know,
Speaker 1: Like the ups is kind of fading a little bit
Speaker 1: and the floor is fading as well. This is the
Speaker 1: tied for the worst matchup of the wide receiver twos
Speaker 1: on the matchup grade against the Green Bay Packers. For
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf it's t Higgins and him giving only two
Speaker 1: star rating. So Scott, let's start with you. You are
Speaker 1: the low guy at wide Receiver twenty five. That's a
Speaker 1: wide receiver three for you for DK Metcalf this week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you said it well.
Speaker 6: With JSN has basically taken over, I realized they play
Speaker 6: different roles, but JSN is the featured guy now. And
Speaker 6: I never thought that Gino Smith and DK Metcalf had
Speaker 6: the greatest connection. And they certainly don't have it working
Speaker 6: in the red zone. Because DK only has one touchdown
Speaker 6: in his last eight games Green Bay Secondary, I think
Speaker 6: you can get after it. So Metcalf, I feel like
Speaker 6: he's got maybe twenty five or thirty percent chance at
Speaker 6: a touchdown. I don't feel like he's going to go
Speaker 6: over one hundred yards. You probably have to play him.
Speaker 6: To me, it's as a wide receiver three now. And
Speaker 6: again I'm about production. I'm about numbers, not names. I'm
Speaker 6: not going to be locked into what I thought Metcalf
Speaker 6: was before the season.
Speaker 5: Also, I don't think they can unsee.
Speaker 6: What Sharbonney did last week, and maybe Sharbonney has more
Speaker 6: touchdown equity to offer around the goal line after that
Speaker 6: great game against Arizona. It's hard to trust DK and
Speaker 6: his current form. Also, just when you watch DK, you
Speaker 6: see him kind of his focus and his attention and
Speaker 6: sometimes his composure can come in and out of games.
Speaker 6: I'm never surprised when he takes a personal foul, when
Speaker 6: he gets frustrated, when he throws his helmet, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just I know the team's playing well right now.
Speaker 6: I think he's maybe a version of the AJ Brown story,
Speaker 6: you know, where he's not getting along with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6: I wonder if maybe DK's frustrated and stewing. Even though
Speaker 6: Seattle is on a four game winning streak, I do
Speaker 6: not play him proactively in week fifteen.
Speaker 1: Fitzy, you are more positive on them though you got
Speaker 1: him inside the top twenty. So talk us through DK.
Speaker 1: Where do you have JSN two relative to that DK rank? Oh?
Speaker 3: I mean I've got JSN ranked Wide receiver thirteen and
Speaker 3: DK nineteen, and like enabling both guys to be in
Speaker 3: the top twenty, it's the fact that Tyler It has
Speaker 3: completely disappeared from this offense, like he is a total
Speaker 3: non factor now it is a two wide receiver show.
Speaker 3: And I realized DK has gone four straight games without
Speaker 3: a touchdown and four street games with seventy or fewer
Speaker 3: receiving yards. And this is, I guess philosophically indirect opposition
Speaker 3: to what Scott was just saying. I still think DK
Speaker 3: is one of the twenty best wide receivers in the league,
Speaker 3: and maybe the emergence of js and has hurt DK
Speaker 3: a little bit. But at the same time, with Lockett disappearing,
Speaker 3: I think there should be enough for him to continue
Speaker 3: to produce. I don't worry about this matchup at all
Speaker 3: with the Packers not having Joy or Alexander, Like there
Speaker 3: are no cornerbacks on this Green Bay roster. I say,
Speaker 3: as a faithful Green Bay Packers fan, who would concern
Speaker 3: me if I had a receiver going against them? Please,
Speaker 3: if you're a DK Metcalf investor, you want to see
Speaker 3: Eric Stokes on DK Metcalf.
Speaker 2: You want that. Trust me.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna continue to bet on a big, freakishly
Speaker 3: athletic wide receiver who has averaged nine touchdowns and just
Speaker 3: under eleven hundred yards a season, and it has been
Speaker 3: pretty indestructible throughout his career. So like, I just fundamentally
Speaker 3: still very much believe in DK Metcalf.
Speaker 6: Why don't we call I'm a caffeine guy, why don't
Speaker 6: we call DK Metcalf DCF he feels like DKF right now,
Speaker 6: this does not feel like full leaded dcalf Metcalf.
Speaker 1: It works a little bit. You're gonna mess with it.
Speaker 1: It just a tiny bit. But then let's workshop it
Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe it'll workshop.
Speaker 6: Somebody has hit us up on Blue Sky or on
Speaker 6: Twitter if you have a good idea for metcalf. But
Speaker 6: anytime you're ready DK it's a Fantasy playoffs.
Speaker 5: We need you, buddy.
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Speaker 6: Okay, the week after you're eliminated, your team will do
Speaker 6: the dance of the recently eliminated.
Speaker 5: That's the week to bet all your players on props.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet overs on all your players. I just
Speaker 1: lost you. So that means Jayden Reid this week for everybody.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's a Jaden Reid week if you're
Speaker 1: playing that logic all right. Wide receivers twenty five through
Speaker 1: thirty six. DJ Moore, Brian Thomas, Jacoby Myers, Jordan Addison
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, Jaden Reed at twenty nine, Jaylen Waddle,
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir, Marvin Harrison, Adam Thielen, Darnell Mooney, Deebo and
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Of those players that we talked about, a
Speaker 1: couple interesting ones. Let's start with Jordan Addison, wide receiver
Speaker 1: twenty eight this week. Scott, you got him at twenty six.
Speaker 1: Fits you are lower. Addison went absolutely berserk mode last week,
Speaker 1: and Scott, you don't have him quite as a wide
Speaker 1: receiver too. But what are your thoughts on Addison and
Speaker 1: your trust for him this week?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's really high. I want you to go online.
Speaker 6: You go on YouTube and look at his highlights last week.
Speaker 6: And this is a guy I think we forget because
Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson is at times looks like the best receiver
Speaker 6: in football that Jordan Addison was a first round pick.
Speaker 6: He was a bulletnakoff winner in that one breakout season
Speaker 6: at Pittsburgh. Kind of lost his way a little bit
Speaker 6: at USC was hurt. Some of that Addison could be
Speaker 6: frustrating because some of us off the field issues at times,
Speaker 6: But he looked like a star in that game against Atlanta,
Speaker 6: and he's this is a very concentrated, a very tight
Speaker 6: target tree in Minnesota. Darnold's playing at a very high
Speaker 6: level we like Kevin O'Connell. They don't throw to a
Speaker 6: third receiver. Hawkinson's involved, but not super involved.
Speaker 5: You know, Jones will catch a few passes. He won't
Speaker 5: get in the way.
Speaker 6: This is a two receiver shop in Minnesota. It's a
Speaker 6: one A, it's a one B. Obviously, Jefferson is the
Speaker 6: Mary and Jordan Harris is the Rooda for the five
Speaker 6: people who get that reference. But I cannot unsee how
Speaker 6: electric he looked, how he was winning fifty to fifty balls,
Speaker 6: how he was getting extra yardage, how he was winning
Speaker 6: in the slant areas. I just he looks like an
Speaker 6: electric guy to me. Who could be what we want
Speaker 6: maybe T Higgins to be right or what maybe Chado
Speaker 6: Josenko and t J. Huschmanzato or once upon a time
Speaker 6: or you know what we'd like Waddle and Hill to
Speaker 6: be in Miami with it doesn't always work out that way.
Speaker 6: Jordan Addison to be is somebody you have to play
Speaker 6: the rest of the fantasy season.
Speaker 1: Addison's floor seems to be getting really high and he
Speaker 1: continues to keep producing on Like earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: I had this debate fits with Bogman that about Addison
Speaker 1: and Jwan Jennings and he is Addison over which I
Speaker 1: was a little surprised about. But I think that also
Speaker 1: says like where some people are moving in to this
Speaker 1: level of trust with how they're passing the ball. What
Speaker 1: say you on the Addison front? You got him lower,
Speaker 1: you have him outside of the top thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm glad Scott mentioned that great season that
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison had at Pitt because like that was an
Speaker 3: eye opening season. If you saw him play that year,
Speaker 3: you were never going to fade him merely because he
Speaker 3: was sharing targets with Justin Jefferson. Like you knew how
Speaker 3: good a player Jordan Addison was. Now, it's not to
Speaker 3: say Jefferson can't be a problem at times, and we've
Speaker 3: seen Jordan Addison be really unpredictable. Like he's had these
Speaker 3: couple of smash games one hundred and thirty three yards
Speaker 3: and three touchdowns last week against the Falcons, one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty two yards in a touchdown against the Bears
Speaker 3: in Week twelve. But Addison has also had forty two
Speaker 3: or fewer receiving yards in five of the eleven games
Speaker 3: he's played this season, So that's kind of the thing,
Speaker 3: and despite the good game he had against the Bears earlier,
Speaker 3: the Bears are certainly a tougher matchup than the Falcons, who.
Speaker 3: Although Addison did make some spectacular plays last week, there
Speaker 3: were also some moments of just blooper real coverage by
Speaker 3: the Falcons in that game, one of which resulted in
Speaker 3: one of those Addison touchdowns. So yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 3: a hard guy to peg. I guess I'm pretty much
Speaker 3: right in line with the ECR wide range of outcomes.
Speaker 3: And you know, Scott, I am old enough. I did
Speaker 3: get the Mary Tyler Moore reference. One of the great
Speaker 3: sitcoms of all time.
Speaker 1: Mary Tyler Moore, I like it. Here's a debate for you, Adam,
Speaker 1: Thelen Marvin Harrison. And the reason I do this is
Speaker 1: because I know the answer. I know there's some dissent
Speaker 1: on this one. We talked about THELAN before. I thought
Speaker 1: it was an interesting when you threw in Theland versus debo,
Speaker 1: because I don't think Thelan's even in that conversation. But
Speaker 1: it is very funny to see Marvin Harrison thrown into
Speaker 1: that because he is inconsistent. It is just it's a
Speaker 1: Cardinals thing. It's part of the offense. It's Trey McBride
Speaker 1: is the number one, and Marvin Harrison, you hope, is
Speaker 1: the beneficiary of poor coverage in some space. But it's
Speaker 1: just nothing crazy. So I asked the question Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: versus Adam and I will start with Pat fitz Morris.
Speaker 5: Who are you taking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would request humbly that you refer to Adam
Speaker 3: Feelin as Ponce de Leon because the thirty four year
Speaker 3: old feeling is drinking deeply from the fountain of youth
Speaker 3: these days.
Speaker 2: One hundred and.
Speaker 3: Three catches last year, so like he is Bryce Young's
Speaker 3: favorite security blanket and has been. And then over the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks he's just been fantastic. Seventeen of
Speaker 3: twenty one targets, he's caught for two hundred and one
Speaker 3: yards in a touchdown over his last two games.
Speaker 2: So like he is on a heater.
Speaker 3: Yeah, going up against Dallas, a defense we don't really
Speaker 3: fear at all. I prefer him, And like I hate
Speaker 3: that Marvin Harrison Junior's average depth of target this year
Speaker 3: is thirteen point four yards. Like it seems like he
Speaker 3: is being so miscast. Is this vertical receiver for the
Speaker 3: Cardinals and like, I'm not saying Harrison is on the
Speaker 3: same planet as Jamar Chase in terms of talent, but
Speaker 3: I just wish the Cardinals would use Harrison a little
Speaker 3: more in the way that the Bengals used Chase, Where yeah,
Speaker 3: like they attack downfield with Chase. Burrow will throw deep
Speaker 3: balls to Jamar Chase, but Jamar Chase is average SCHP.
Speaker 3: The target is nine point four yards, and they will
Speaker 3: dial up these easy completions where like, here, Jamar Chase,
Speaker 3: here's a quick throw two yards away from the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. See what you can do after the catch,
Speaker 3: And a lot of times he'll he'll run for eight
Speaker 3: yards and pick up a first down. And like, I
Speaker 3: want more of that to Marvin Harrison. So it's just
Speaker 3: Harrison's target counts and his production has just been all
Speaker 3: over the place. I think Thelan is a safer bet
Speaker 3: for week fifteen.
Speaker 1: Little did any of you think you'd be sitting Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison for Adam thielon this week? But maybe that's not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the case, Scott, same thing Harrison versus Delan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's stealing for me.
Speaker 6: Really encouraged by how well Bryce Young has played since
Speaker 6: the benching, and I mean, man, he handled the pressure
Speaker 6: really well in the Kansas City game.
Speaker 5: I thought he equipped.
Speaker 6: Himself really well against the Philadelphia defense that's been playing great.
Speaker 6: And I love the point Pat made about where the
Speaker 6: easy throws for Harrison. My colleague at Yahoo, Matt Harmon,
Speaker 6: would call them the layup targets.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: Why are they not scheming these layup targets not just
Speaker 6: to see what Harrison can do with the yak, but
Speaker 6: just to get him involved in the game, Let him
Speaker 6: touch the ball a little bit, let him feel like
Speaker 6: he's on the field and in the game plan. I
Speaker 6: think they've done a poor job scheming him. I'm also
Speaker 6: not the biggest Kyler Murray fan in the world. So
Speaker 6: if you told me two months ago you will believe
Speaker 6: in a receiver in the Carolina offense, and it won't
Speaker 6: because Andy Dalton's playing well, because Bryce Young is playing well,
Speaker 6: I would say you're absolutely crazy.
Speaker 5: But here we are.
Speaker 6: We have to skate to where the puck is headed,
Speaker 6: not to where it's been. I believe in this Carolina offense.
Speaker 6: Their favored in this game. I think they're going to
Speaker 6: score twenty plus points. And like Adam Thielm is going
Speaker 6: to have at least eighty yards. He's going to be
Speaker 6: the first read for young as he's been during this run,
Speaker 6: and maybe all ages gracefully as Adam Thielen in his
Speaker 6: age thirty four season planned age thirty four.
Speaker 1: Plenty more questions that are out there. More than thirty
Speaker 1: six wide receivers. Plenty of you guys are going to
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