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Speaker 1: Hello, get everybody, and welcome to a special Thursday edition

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Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kickoff live here on Giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I'm Paul to Tino, you guys No. Number fifty eight,

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Speaker 1: two time Super Bowl champion linebacker, the one and only

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Speaker 1: Carl Banks and Chris Bisignano from Giant Insider joins us

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Speaker 1: for the first half hour. Jerry Folly, his partner over

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Speaker 1: at that publication, will join us for the second thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes of the show, and we are gonna be here

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Speaker 1: to take your phone calls at two one three, as

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Speaker 1: well as if you want to hit us up on

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Speaker 1: Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. But just to kick things off,

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Speaker 1: Mr Banks, this has been in the making now for

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Speaker 1: quite some time, as you guys were able to negotiate

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Speaker 1: this deal. Well, we should make this sound like it

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Speaker 1: was a big negotiation, right. Um. I'm a big, big

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Speaker 1: fan of Giants Insider and um, so we we talk

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Speaker 1: on social media all the time, and so he invited

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Speaker 1: me on. And you know, I don't do a lot

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Speaker 1: of pot cast to begin with. I think I did.

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Speaker 1: Pat Trainers was the only one I did this year.

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Speaker 1: So I decided, he says, come on, I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we love to and then I'm thinking we should do

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Speaker 1: this at at the next level, right because we get

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Speaker 1: and you know this, you share this with me. Um,

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Speaker 1: we get so much feedback on our social media platforms

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Speaker 1: about you know, what we are, what we're not, all

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Speaker 1: the criticisms, and I'm like, okay, well let's have the

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Speaker 1: stools call in now now that we can communicate back

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Speaker 1: and forth and with a podcast. And I read some

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Speaker 1: of the comments on on Giants Insider and it's the

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Speaker 1: same stuff. Right, So I'm like, you know what, let's

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Speaker 1: make this live. You know, Chris can do what he does,

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Speaker 1: Jerry can do what they do, but we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: it live. So the feedback is not only instantaneous from

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Speaker 1: the our social media followers, but we get to have

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Speaker 1: a little dialogue. We get to kind of talk beyond

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty characters, if you know what I mean. So, um,

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Speaker 1: after what was it because it was like a year

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Speaker 1: and a half negotiation to some parameters, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: we even get to the economics. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: communication with fans is free currency. We were getting enough

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Speaker 1: out of this, but um, so we just kind of

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Speaker 1: talked it out. If he and I put it out

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Speaker 1: there if he's if he's willing to do it, let's

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Speaker 1: do it. And he's like, I'm willing to do it,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. So um, I think the only negotiation

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Speaker 1: we had was the fact that the set was too

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Speaker 1: small to fit Jerry and we can only accommodate three.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not leaving. We were thinking about throwing you off,

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Speaker 1: but then again, you've been the subject of much social

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Speaker 1: media ridicule, so I figure you stay here and take

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Speaker 1: the bullets with us and we'll relieve Jerry at the halftime.

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Speaker 1: And I mean relieve Chris at halftime and put Jerry on.

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Speaker 1: Makes perfect sense to me. So, Chris, how hard was

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Speaker 1: this negotiation? From your perspective? It was about three seconds

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Speaker 1: call said Hey, I like to be on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, first I have taken back

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Speaker 1: first by draw dropped. I was like, did I just

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Speaker 1: read that correct? I was like, did Banks just say

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Speaker 1: he wants to be on the podcast? And then about

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Speaker 1: a week later he got in touch with me saying about,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's do this on Big Blue kick

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Speaker 1: Off with Paul and we'll make it like a joint effort.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know, pull out him in at words. Man,

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Speaker 1: it was just like, okay, call whatever you want. And

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Speaker 1: the negotiation wasn't much on my end. And the thing

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Speaker 1: about it, and Paul knows this, but my boss Don Sparling,

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Speaker 1: he knows I can have some disruptive ideas. So I

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Speaker 1: just threw it out there one night and full disclosure,

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Speaker 1: Don Don and I were out to dinner and I think,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we had a cigar or not.

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Speaker 1: And I says, I got this idea. It's crazy, and

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Speaker 1: he's kind of done. Is kind of my sounding board

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Speaker 1: because I can go out there with some ideas and

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Speaker 1: I says, you can tell me it's I'm out of

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Speaker 1: this work. And I said, I want to do a

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Speaker 1: He says, well, technically we can make it happen, but

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Speaker 1: there are a few things you gotta know. And so

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Speaker 1: I think he gave you guys parameters. And for you

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Speaker 1: our Giants dot Com and Big Blue Kickoff fans, here's

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Speaker 1: some just some simple parameters. We cannot because we are

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Speaker 1: on the Giant stream and I know we're gonna say, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's on the payroll. I knew this was gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Based on NFL rules, I cannot

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Speaker 1: talk about a player that's currently under contract with another team.

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Speaker 1: So I know there are a lot of scenarios out

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Speaker 1: there on social media, and maybe I can answer those

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Speaker 1: on social media. UM, So you can tweet us and

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Speaker 1: maybe I can answer those, but I cannot discuss a

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Speaker 1: player under contract as long as I'm on the Giants

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Speaker 1: live stream because other teams look at that and there's

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Speaker 1: these things called tampering. And I don't want to hear

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Speaker 1: from John Mara. I don't want to hear from uh

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Speaker 1: Don Spurling or anybody else in this building that I've

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Speaker 1: just cost us a draft choice. So, UM, we can

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Speaker 1: talk about pending free agents. We can. We can talk

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Speaker 1: about anything, but just know that if if you call

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Speaker 1: in and ask me a question about player who's under

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Speaker 1: contract on another team, you're gonna get that answer on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna get it live on air because I

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Speaker 1: cannot discuss that on these airways because as this is,

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Speaker 1: it's on the Giants platform. So those are the parameters.

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Speaker 1: I hope I haven't screwed up your podcast because I

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Speaker 1: know it's a lot of things you talk about on

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Speaker 1: on your podcast, so we can answer those on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: but I can't. I'm just telling you right now, you

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Speaker 1: can throw some names out there if they're under contract,

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Speaker 1: don't expect me to speak on them. We should give

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Speaker 1: everybody our Twitter handles just in case you're two bast

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Speaker 1: f fort the call in and you want to try

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Speaker 1: to hit us up on the social media. Some of

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Speaker 1: you may not know all of our our names. I'm

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Speaker 1: a Giant w with A and he's at curl Banks

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Speaker 1: Triple Triple Right, and he is at Giant Insider. You

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Speaker 1: can get Jerry or Chris at Giant Insider. Is there

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Speaker 1: a topic that either one of you guys wanted to

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Speaker 1: kick it off with before we got right to the

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Speaker 1: phone calls? Because no, no, no, we're not gonna get

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Speaker 1: right to the phone calls you want you want to.

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Speaker 1: This is a mash up, This is a mix. You

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Speaker 1: just did the Big Blue kickoff Live things. Yes, now

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Speaker 1: it's time for him to do the inside. Go ahead, Chris,

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Speaker 1: you're back with accident. Let us do that. Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: running his podcast right now. We got we got some stuff,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay. Well, a lot of people want to

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Speaker 1: hear a lot of people want to know about what

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Speaker 1: is this organization going to do? You know, we were

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Speaker 1: trying to find him. If he was in the building,

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Speaker 1: he would have come, he would have stopped in. Um,

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Speaker 1: we would have had him in the room. Just put

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Speaker 1: it that way, especially watching film. Well, if ten was

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Speaker 1: But um, the organization probably does not know in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: because of all the areas, the one thing they did

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Speaker 1: that they do know about Eli Manning. And yes, um, folks,

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Speaker 1: I am an Eli Manning fan, but I'm also a realist.

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Speaker 1: I know that he won't play forever and they know that,

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Speaker 1: and he knows that. And he just turned what thirty nine, thirty?

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Speaker 1: He just turned thirty eight, so they know that. But

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Speaker 1: what they're going to do about him, Um, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at his performance. And there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: So he has had the most passes over twenty yards.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was yards per throw, yards per throw,

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Speaker 1: So there are a lot of things that speak in

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Speaker 1: no one under the illusion, including myself, that note that

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been healthy, right, but he's getting old.

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Speaker 1: And the thing about the way you approach personnel is

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of weaving around here, but these are

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Speaker 1: today's market. UM. But the thinking of old school traditional

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Speaker 1: But Phil Simms kept rolling kept rolling right, So Bill

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Speaker 1: when we talk about the middle of the field, and

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Speaker 1: it sometimes varies on coverage, but I will say that

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Speaker 1: talent does factor in uh into some of these these

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Speaker 1: gaping holes in the middle. If you're in zone defense,

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Speaker 1: you've got to know how to complement your your too

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Speaker 1: deep safeties. If you're in a blitz of some sort,

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Speaker 1: you've got to know how to play your inside technique,

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Speaker 1: especially if you're in a Cover one or Cover zero.

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Speaker 1: You don't want everybody barreling down on the on the

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Speaker 1: single high safety because single high safety is gonna take

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Speaker 1: the biggest threat to him, which is whatever one's coming

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Speaker 1: fastest at him. So you've got to be able to

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Speaker 1: play good technique, and they have to be able to

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Speaker 1: teach it. I you know, I know they've got good

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Speaker 1: coaches here, and I'm gonna assume that when they put

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Speaker 1: a blitz in, they go over every responsibility and guys

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Speaker 1: will know what their techniques should be. It's a function

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Speaker 1: of whether they can actually play those techniques. So they've

446
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Speaker 1: got to find better linebackers, athletic linebackers. In regards to

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Speaker 1: b J. Goodson, I think I don't think he gets

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Speaker 1: enough credit. And one of the things that I think

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Speaker 1: holds b J. Goodson back is he overthinks it and

450
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Speaker 1: not just play football. Because if they didn't give and

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Speaker 1: and if they didn't give b J. Goodson a playbook,

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Speaker 1: right and they said go out and play linebacker, I

453
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Speaker 1: have I've seen a lot of players know how to

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Speaker 1: find a football. If you told him go play linebacker

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Speaker 1: and you didn't give him a playbook, He's a kid

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Speaker 1: that knows how to find the football. And when you

457
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Speaker 1: are looking at film on linebackers, the first thing you

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Speaker 1: ask yourself is doesn't know how to find the football?

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Speaker 1: You know, Um, you see a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: have high weight speed in the athletic. This guy's athletic.

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Speaker 1: Tell me all that all you want to, But if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to naturally find the football, call

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. You know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: down on b J. Goodson always always injury. He's always there, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but I put her on Twitter numerous times. He has

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Speaker 1: a knack for something. He has a knack. He gets

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Speaker 1: to the ball, knows how to find the around the ball.

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Speaker 1: Chris is a kid you don't give up on. I

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Speaker 1: know we had the injuries and all that. But what

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Speaker 1: I like about I look at Goodson and I see

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Speaker 1: a kid that gets to the ball. He's always around it.

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Speaker 1: That is the kid has an upside. Call. Yeah, and see,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. He missed time his first full year

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Speaker 1: of playing, so he's still learning, uh the game at

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Speaker 1: a level. But he doesn't have to learn how to

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Speaker 1: play football. And that's the one thing he's got to

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Speaker 1: do is learn to get out of his own way. Call.

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Speaker 1: He got more snaps towards the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: and I thought he was very effective. Well as you

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Speaker 1: as less the latter half of the season. You know,

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Speaker 1: there was injuries and all that, and old Tree, he

482
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Speaker 1: got more snaps. I thought he played pretty good. This

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Speaker 1: is a kid with an upside. You know, I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people down on him, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's a plus for the future. This Yeah, he's just

486
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Speaker 1: gotta he's gotta get out of his own way. Sometimes

487
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Speaker 1: he overthinks it just play and just play because, like

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Speaker 1: I said that, they didn't give him to play, or

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Speaker 1: if the play was late getting in and he didn't

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Speaker 1: get it. Once that ball is snapped, he would know

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Speaker 1: how to find the football and get to the tackle.

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Speaker 1: We got a two minute warning here to change out

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Speaker 1: Jerry and Chris, but Luigi is called back, So Chris,

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Speaker 1: you need to take this call. Hello, your next up,

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Speaker 1: big blue kickoff Live? Oh good, Hey guys, how are

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Speaker 1: we doing good? This loose me a little bit. I'm

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Speaker 1: just Chris knows. Okay, Chris knows. Personally, I go to

498
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Speaker 1: every game. I'm a season ticket holder. People bear and

499
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Speaker 1: bish and bihl your opinion, your opinion. Next year we

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Speaker 1: get Nick Foles, we get Teddy Bridgewater. Anybody, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be better than Eli Manning. He's gonna throw more touchdowns

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Speaker 1: than Eli Manning with the time that Eli has behind

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. Are they going to be both better?

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Speaker 1: Or is he equal Manning? Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Low You saw what they like we're doing the second

506
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Speaker 1: half of the season, when he had a little bit

507
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Speaker 1: offensive line in front of him. The offense was not

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Speaker 1: the problem with this team in the second half. You know,

509
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Speaker 1: so as far as you know, Folds of Bridgewater and

510
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, are they're gonna be more effective Elie.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. I mean, Paul, you know, to me

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Speaker 1: second half, Eli wasn't the problem in his team. It

513
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Speaker 1: was the defense that was the problem with The Giant

514
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Speaker 1: savaged over twenty seven points a game in the second

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Speaker 1: half of the season, which was top six I believe

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. So anybody wants to point

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback being the problem is not watching football.

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Speaker 1: And let's let's clarify something too, because people kept saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: it was in garbage time, with the exception of two

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Speaker 1: games there. In every game they were competitive games right there.

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Speaker 1: But that was a shot out. So we're talking about

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Speaker 1: games that were lost by a touchdown or less, especially

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Speaker 1: in the second half of the season. The Colts game

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Speaker 1: calls yeah, I mean, they're in it all the way.

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Speaker 1: Four times this year. Eli gave the Giants to lead

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Speaker 1: inside the final two minutes and then the defense coughed

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Speaker 1: it up and they lost. Paul, that Colts game, called

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Speaker 1: that Colts game. They were the Colts were feeling good

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Speaker 1: about themselves. Man, they were coming off that shutout. I

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Speaker 1: guess the Cowboys, and that defense was feeling good. That

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Speaker 1: Giant offense they moved the ball will them in the

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Speaker 1: first half of the game, twenty seven points. You gotta

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Speaker 1: win a game, you know. So you look at things

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Speaker 1: like that and you say, well, people say, you know,

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Speaker 1: Eli can't do this anymore and you can't get the

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Speaker 1: points on the boarder. And you look at that game,

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Speaker 1: you say, wait, slowed down, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Of course you look what you know, look what they're

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Speaker 1: doing there. Look what they did the look what they did?

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Speaker 1: You know what? And that Cowboy team they had their

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Speaker 1: first unit out there the list game. It was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, call they they had their first unit.

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Speaker 1: They were playing to win, and they did some good things.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. And for the Giant fan who lives in

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Speaker 1: the bubble who thinks that Elia is horrible under pressure,

546
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Speaker 1: he was also rated pretty decent under pressure. But look

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Speaker 1: at it gives you a classic example. Philip Rivers went

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Speaker 1: to Foxboro and they put pressure on him and he

549
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: was chucking and ducking right. Um. No one on that

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Speaker 1: national broadcast said or he's about done. Nobody said he

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Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing, folks, And this is not

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Speaker 1: a Philip Rivers bash. But if New England gave you

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Speaker 1: the same looks that the Baltimore Ravens did and you

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Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out after seeing it, then something's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Something's wrong coaching rise and and nobody's criticizing the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But if you saw that blitz and they gave you

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Speaker 1: the exact same looks and you had exact same courage

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Speaker 1: in looks and he wasn't able to um do anything

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Speaker 1: about it, what does that tell you? Sometimes here's a

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Speaker 1: question Twitter question. I come, you're not wearing your Buffoon

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Speaker 1: Crew T shirt. I was hoping to bring one in.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping to get a shirt shot what you

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Speaker 1: call but totally forgot about Twitter. Wanted to know that

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Speaker 1: Physicgnado from Giant Insider, he's gonna swap himself out here.

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Speaker 1: It's halftime halftime. Foley's got to come on in. Chris,

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Speaker 1: are you fulfilled in the way this podcast smashup is going? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure, because it was selfish

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Speaker 1: of me to want to put you on here, not

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Speaker 1: have not have you feel like you're benefitting? Awesome about this.

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Speaker 1: We're sitting here at this table kind of like the

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Speaker 1: old linebacking Crew, the Big Blue Record Crew. We don't

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Speaker 1: match up to those other guys anyway. We want to

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Speaker 1: ride you. The Big Blue Kickoff Live is presented by

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Speaker 1: Giants prizes. So once again, Paul Thea, Tino, Carl Banks,

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Speaker 1: and now Jerry Foley of Giant Insider. Jerry, you've had

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to to watch the first thirty minutes of

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Speaker 1: the program. We want to let you get in get

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Speaker 1: in on this and and I know that over the

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Speaker 1: course of time you and Carlos certainly had your chats

581
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Speaker 1: through the Twitter app as well. What is the primary

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Speaker 1: thing that you and carl usually drive about? Oh, I

583
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Speaker 1: don't know if you can talk about here talking about

584
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Speaker 1: the students. We don't have any students coming on yet.

585
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Speaker 1: Where are you guys at talk so much trash? Well,

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Speaker 1: there's no star. We're gonna get to them in a second.

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Speaker 1: But I want to give Jerry a chance to open

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Speaker 1: up here. I would say it's the Twitter GMS is

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Speaker 1: Carl says, So a lot of guys who don't really

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Speaker 1: know the ins and outs and have their opinions, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine, that's that's what kind of makes Twitter interesting.

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Speaker 1: But I would say that's that's the the biggest conversation.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, ce Jay is from the Proxies

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Speaker 1: online too. You've got Jerry, Carl and Paul. Hello. Are

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Speaker 1: you guys doing good? Carl, I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 1: your whenny time you want to plan on me on

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Speaker 1: my favorite down load. Um, the first thing I want

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Speaker 1: to say, repeat a thing that was said yesterday mouth

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Speaker 1: before I didn't. I didn't give have a chance to

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Speaker 1: listen to the show yet. Oh yet, Um, I got

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Speaker 1: a problem with James Batchel, a guy across the river

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00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: at Coastal. Of course, Jersey Jets have Greg Williams now

603
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Speaker 1: like Williams allowed to don't like, but he gets things done. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I see much improvement from our defense, very much at all.

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Speaker 1: The rest of Carter got a couple of pass rushes,

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Speaker 1: a couple of moves. Now that's great. He has long

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Speaker 1: long and he doesn't use him and that hurts that.

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Speaker 1: That hurts me. Okay, So c J let's sake, let's

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Speaker 1: take that point as it is now before we move

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Speaker 1: to the next part of your question. So I will

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Speaker 1: agree that, Um, Lorenzo Carter needs to continue to work.

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Speaker 1: But as a rookie, he has grown before I. So

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Speaker 1: he'll learn to use his hands because he's a he

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Speaker 1: knows how the rush to pass her. He's just got

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Speaker 1: to develop in that area. He's a rookie. He's not

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Speaker 1: a guy that you brought in here free agency wise,

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Speaker 1: paid a lot of money and you're getting no production.

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Speaker 1: He's giving you a lot of production for a rookie.

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Speaker 1: His impact um on this defense is certainly one of

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Speaker 1: the bright spots um on this team. Now you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about James Betcher. Um, do you know where

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Speaker 1: James Betcher's defense is ranked? When he was in Arizona?

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Speaker 1: Three four, No, No, where they ranked? Oh yeah, they

624
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Speaker 1: started off slow. Every his three years in Arizona, he

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Speaker 1: had top ten defenses every year. So let's not assume

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Speaker 1: he forgot how to coordinate defenses. Let's assume that when

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Speaker 1: he gets better players, he'll be able to do better

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Speaker 1: things with this roster. Um, you're limited. I mean listen,

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Speaker 1: if you got and this is no disrespect. This is

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Speaker 1: all about talent. Now that truth serum that I talked

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Speaker 1: about when you put Nate Stupor in the game, and

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Speaker 1: critical situations in the red zone. That tells you the

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Speaker 1: level of talent that he has to work with. And um,

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Speaker 1: when he has better, he'll do better. I guarantee that.

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you he's had some great game

636
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Speaker 1: plans and they weren't executed and it wasn't the player's fault.

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Speaker 1: They play hard, I'm saying on a certain they just

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Speaker 1: weren't good enough in some situations. So, um, you can

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Speaker 1: have Greg Williams, I'll take James Betcher, and I guarantee

640
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Speaker 1: you you give apples to apples, bet you'll see any

641
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator eye to eye. Oh well, look, there's there's

642
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: the thing I tell you. I call it the truth

643
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: serum in sports competition. When he's out there and he's

644
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: got a complement of players and they're out there competing,

645
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: you can see what his defenses can do. You can

646
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: ask around the league. He's three years in Arizona's top

647
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: ten defense. He didn't forget that, And those are facts.

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Speaker 1: Thank you c J for the call. Jerry. The folks

649
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: who who hit you guys up through your publication and

650
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Speaker 1: your Twitter site, are they understanding that Betcher was basically

651
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Speaker 1: dealing with a deck that was short of a few cards.

652
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, there's no question, like Carl said, and

653
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: even Dave Gentleman himself said, we got to get more

654
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: impact players on defense. I mean, there are some that

655
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: always blame the coach no matter what, right, but I

656
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: think most of them understand that there needs to be

657
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: more talent on defense. We keep saying there's gonna be

658
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: Probably there could be as many as foig new starters

659
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: next year on defense. Who knows at the back end

660
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: of the defense. Again, like Carl said, no disrespect, but

661
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: needs to be upgraded in certain spots, and there was.

662
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: The pass rush was non existent. So if you're not blitzing,

663
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get You're gonna have any quarterback all

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00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: that time, they're gonna struggle. So but I think most

665
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Speaker 1: people understand that it was more of a talent issue

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00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: on defense. And here's the thing about it too. When

667
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: you have um a dilemma to blitz or cover. If

668
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Speaker 1: you can't get a pass rush right and you want

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Speaker 1: to bl start blitzing guys, well, if they don't get

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Speaker 1: there and you can't cover on the back in it's

671
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: a losing proposition either way. Yeah, the risk reward becomes

672
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: risk risk that doesn't work. But but let's here's a

673
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: case in point. If you want to know how good

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Speaker 1: of a coach and a game planner, James Betcher is

675
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: the Giants got blown out by the Tennessee Titans. Right,

676
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: how many tackles were missed behind the line screen Landon

677
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Collins injury killed them? Just just ask yourself that how

678
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: many times did you have a safety in the back

679
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: in the backfield with the first hit? Now he gained

680
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: playing that, so did you can get this guy? But

681
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: then once you missed that tackle, he's off to the races.

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00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So talent factors in what

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00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: a coach can do. And the game was that game

684
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: was like seven nothing until anyway through the third quarter.

685
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Speaker 1: That's right. This is true. Full back of phone calls.

686
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Speaker 1: So we go to line for worried Carl from Syracuse.

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Speaker 1: You're a big blue kickoff live. Hello, Hi, Hi, uh

688
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: so Carl, this is another Carl. Carl was okay, big fan. Um,

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Speaker 1: So it's nice to talk to you guys. Uh did

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Speaker 1: you agree that on the offensive side of the ball,

691
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: the you know, a right tackle or offensive tackle is

692
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: in right guards. Maybe two of the positions of need. Um.

693
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we had the center that got hurt.

694
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully he is uh getting healthy and coming back. But

695
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, given the needs

696
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: that we have for playmakers, how would you rate what

697
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: the biggest need is? Like Riley did get some interceptions

698
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: later in the year, but he for tackling. Um. So

699
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: safety is a need, and we don't know what we're

700
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna get from our suplemental round pick. Hopefully you know

701
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: he turns into a good player. But um, and then

702
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: we need more pressure on quarterback. Um. Would you say

703
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: maybe defensive outside linebacker, defensive end might be the highest

704
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: position of need, and then safety. Um. No, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you, I'm gonna start from back to front. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to have a good corner. Um,

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00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: you've got to have another good safety, you've got to

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Speaker 1: have another good linebacker, and you've got to have a

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Speaker 1: pass right. See, you can get a linebacker slash pass

710
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: rusher in one pick or with one player, but the

711
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: reality is you have a defense that's devoid of talent.

712
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: When you think about this roster, B W. Webbs should

713
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Speaker 1: be on this NFL roster? Should he be your number

714
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: one corner. No, he should probably be your third corner.

715
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: But he gives you everything he has and he's made

716
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: some places for his team. But if you have a

717
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: top corner, then you're gonna have this top flight corner

718
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: and you're probably I have no insight on the plans,

719
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: but Jack Rabbit in another corner and then a third

720
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: corner as b. W Webb, you're gonna be good. And

721
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: then if you got to put another safety in Michael Thomas,

722
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be good. But when you press these guys

723
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: into action, you get what they give you. You get

724
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: what they're capable of, and they're not capable in some instances.

725
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: So you can't coach a player out of a tail whipping.

726
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes they got to be able to defend for themselves

727
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: once they get the call. In good news Jerry is

728
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: that this draft is heavy and defensive players absolutely yeah,

729
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: and pass rushers. It's very deep. So if you have

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Speaker 1: to improve your your defense, this is the draft where

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00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: you want to be drafting high and had a lot

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Speaker 1: of picks, So it is for the Giants in that regard.

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Speaker 1: Line three has Mirco from Connecticut. You're next on the show. Hello, Hey, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Thank you and to be with you guys. I've been

735
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: listening to you for a long time or with Joe

736
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: and Evan and obviously a big fan of yours with

737
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: the Giants. Um. Hey, I wanted to call up because

738
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Speaker 1: earlier I heard you what you were saying about the

739
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: QB position, and I wanted to get your take on

740
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Speaker 1: especially like the QB position the last maybe like four

741
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: or five years. I I think, just looking from a

742
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: fans point of view, that it's changed a lot. And

743
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious of what you think on how

744
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: the positions changed, because earlier you mentioned you know, there'd

745
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: be big misses could really set a franchise back, and

746
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: people still think that way. And also, Um, you know,

747
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: players would come in and maybe ideally they'd back up

748
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: one two years and then they're ready. But what you're

749
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: seeing now around the league is, first off, there's a

750
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: huge influx every year. It seems like a really good

751
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are coming from everywhere, Like Carson Wentz came

752
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: from you know, that wasn't on radar, Um, you know,

753
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: And even as I was on hold, I was thinking

754
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: about the kids that the Giants played against this year

755
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: from San Francisco Mullins. It seems like he was he's

756
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: been coached up and he's been putting a good UM

757
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: system to where he could, I mean, not maybe be

758
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: a star, but be productive. But here's my point. It

759
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: seems like teams can bounce that faster now from a

760
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: miss at quarterback, and younger guys are coming in more

761
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: equipped to play right away. Um. So here's I think

762
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: my point is going forward, I would like to see

763
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: the team when they do turn over um do it

764
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: through the draft because I think when teams like the Eagles,

765
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: the Rams, even and now you're gonna see this from Cleveland,

766
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: I think Cleveland is a huge team on the rise

767
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: because they have the best strategy out of all the

768
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: teams in the league where they have a cheap, young,

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00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: good quarterback on a rookie contract and that what that

770
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: allows you to do with the rest of your roster.

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00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: And like I said, these guys aren't um, their qualities

772
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: pretty high. They could come in and way so when

773
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: they're low on the salary cap, the team is really

774
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: able to maximize that opportunity. We got a full phone bank.

775
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to let you go. But the point

776
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: that he's making is very good guys, and that if

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00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: you've got a low salary quarterback, it does allow you

778
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: a lot more flexibility under the salary cap. In fact,

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00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: Tom Brady has given the Patriots so much money to

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00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: work with in renegotiations. Listen, time's not working for free.

781
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: Let meeting a lot of money. Newsflash, News flash. All

782
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: the money that the Patriots are saving, they pouring it

783
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: in all the positions. Either they're not overpaying anybody in

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Speaker 1: New England. What I'm saying so him giving up extra

785
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: money for them to be able to do some other things.

786
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: They're signing guys you never heard of, and they're signing

787
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: guys that they've evaluate it. I'm not gonna say never

788
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: heard of, but that they evaluate it that are kind

789
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: of under the radar that can make impact. They do

790
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: really well with their depth. Carls like getting those guys.

791
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: That's where your savings at quarterback can help you on

792
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: the back end of your roster. That it doesn't help

793
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: you on the front end of the roster. But you

794
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: have to understand when you're investing, you're investing into the

795
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: strengths of your teams and the weaknesses of your team.

796
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: But you know, a guy like um, Josh Allen and

797
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Buffalo right, Um was made possible by Joe Flacco, you know,

798
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: going to a small school. Um scouts and now said, well,

799
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: guy got some talent, and he got some talents. Yes,

800
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: you've got to draft a good quarterback, but the key

801
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: component is he's got to be able to play. You

802
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: can't draft the guy and wish in today's NFL. You've

803
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: got to really look at the things that are that

804
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: are prerequisites for playing quarterback at this level in the league.

805
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: And if he has it, don't assume he's gonna hit

806
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: the ground running. The success that Baker may Field is having,

807
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: he's not He's not having it on his own. Their

808
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: max protecting him. They're getting two man patterns and there

809
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: his receivers are getting open. They're doing a hell of

810
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: a job in game planning. But they're also allowing him

811
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: to grow because then they're gonna open up the field

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00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: even more. Um. You see a guy like Lamar Jackson,

813
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna change the league. You know, Um, what

814
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: happened in four games that four game sampling and then

815
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: he got to the playoffs and saw something you never

816
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: saw before. Faster guys well, guess what that's gonna be

817
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: the blueprint in this copycat league. They have tape, and

818
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: they have tape on how to defend him. Now it's

819
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: going to be up to him because now the training

820
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: wheels are off. You had your success running around. Now

821
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: the training wheels are off. What are you gonna do

822
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: to come back those six or seven dbs? What is

823
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: your team gonna do? Carson Wentz great player. Right now,

824
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: you talk about the new style quarterback coming in the league.

825
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: The best ability is availability. Now. If they don't have

826
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: Nick Foles to drag them into the playoffs, they're up

827
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: the creek because you got a quarterback who has been

828
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: hurt every year he's been in the league. Which quarterback,

829
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Speaker 1: by the way, the league has been the most durable. Listen,

830
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this without without even wondering, folks, without

831
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Speaker 1: even saying, who's been the most durable. There's a reason

832
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: why they changed the rules. It's to protect the quarterback.

833
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: Do you know the safest place for a quarterback is

834
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: with five or sixty yeah, five or six guys surrounding him.

835
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: They can see it coming. They can uh limit the

836
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: impact of some of these hits. But when you start

837
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: running around out there, you're on your own now. And

838
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: then with Jackson, he was he became mistake prone. I'm

839
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: hoping he has a career because he has a weapon

840
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: in his speed, but he's got to learn how to

841
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: pass the football too, because that's required in this league. Yeah,

842
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: there's a fine line between being able to extend players

843
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: and then being some over that you're putting yourself in danger,

844
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Speaker 1: and that could be with Wins. What's happening with Wins

845
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: happened we saw with r G three was kind of

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00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: the latest greatest thing until until they weren't. Defense is

847
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: figuring them out and then the kid and with the

848
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: kid with ers right, Shanahan's a great uh architect for

849
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, short term. He did it for r G three, right,

850
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Speaker 1: gave him half to feel, put a lot of people

851
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: in it. He made place. Did the same thing with

852
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: this quarterback. When Garoppolo comes back, it becomes a different

853
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: offense in the sense that they're going to be able

854
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: to use the entire field. It's no coincidence that that

855
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: tight end called more balls when Crooppolo was out because

856
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: they didn't want him going down the field a lot,

857
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: so they used a tight end folks. Big Blue Kickoff

858
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Speaker 1: Live is presented by Corpse Light. Download the corpse Light

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Speaker 1: rewards after win him arasing Giants prizes. Jerry, I have

860
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: a hunch that the quarterback controversy or dilemma the one

861
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: that's been created by so many people who are anti Eli.

862
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: It's the hottest button that you guys get a giant inside,

863
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: or is it not? Seven out of ten tweets about

864
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: the quarterback position and what they should do? Should they

865
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: keep Eli? Did they cut did they not cut him

866
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: but then they renegotiate? Did they go for someone else?

867
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: Did they draft someone? So here's a question I have

868
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: for you, Jerry. When everyone talks about the money a

869
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: player makes, right, I won't have him back at his salary.

870
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: They he should, he should take I'll take him back.

871
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: It's not your money, that's right. It's nothing, it's not

872
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: it's not your money. It's right. You know. I'm sure

873
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: Eli Manning has adjusted his salary when the team has

874
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: needed him to benefit uh, the benefit the team. Um,

875
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: but like to say, you'll have him back, but not

876
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: at his salary for no other rhyme and reason that

877
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: ain't your money. You got paying for it? And if

878
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: you tell me your season ticket holder, you still still

879
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: ain't your money. I think. I think when people come in,

880
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: where they're coming from is maybe there's a lot of

881
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: other needs on this team and that's what they have.

882
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: But that's why they have a salary. That's right, that's

883
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: why they have a draft. Um. Free agency is not

884
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: to build the teams. The free agency is to supplement. Now,

885
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: without going too deep into it, because again I'm not

886
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: on my own platform, but I will say this, if

887
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: any team, including this one, drafts correctly to address things.

888
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: You don't overpay for players that all of a sudden

889
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: become a necessity. And you know there are people that

890
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: complain about certain players that make too much money and

891
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: not giving you enough. Well, you had a need to

892
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: feel and that was the best deveilable, right, so you

893
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: had to pay. You had to pay what they were asking.

894
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: It was a mercenary situation. When you develop your roster

895
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: year after year, and drafting is not an exact science, folks,

896
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: but when you focus on your roster and you develop

897
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: and you focus on your drafting, you're gonna hit more

898
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: than you miss. But here's the key. If you miss,

899
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: don't give him a scholarship just so you don't look bad,

900
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: cut your losses, and get the next guy in there.

901
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: That's what you have to do. Um. And that's across

902
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: the board for all thirty two teams in NFL. It's

903
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: not exclusive to this one. So what I'm saying is,

904
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: if you're counting on somebody else's salary to build your

905
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: team through free agency, you're losing. You're you're on the sugar.

906
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: Those guys free agents are supplemental pieces. They complement the

907
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: work you've done in the draft. Those are the guys

908
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: that help you get over the top. If you see

909
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: a team that's so active in free agency, that's telling

910
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: you that they ain't been they haven't been very Exhibit A. Right, Um,

911
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: And there's no coincidence that eighties six percent. It made

912
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: me even more of this roster turned out by the

913
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: end of this season. I think there were eleven guys.

914
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: Knows it was twelve, might have been it was twelve,

915
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, well and that well if you include the guys. Yeah,

916
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: and that's see, that's why when Dave Getleman said, you know,

917
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: his primary goal this year, Yeah, you want to win.

918
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: You want to be in playoff contention for sure you do.

919
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: But his primary goal was to change the makeup of

920
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: that locker room, change the makeup of the team. I

921
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, if you don't have good

922
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: concrete to pour the foundation, the house will not stay. Yeah,

923
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: absolutely right, because this continues the crumble I said. The

924
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: only time that worked I think was four when they

925
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: turned over twenty two guys and went to nine and

926
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: seven from three, twelve and one, and there that's the

927
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: tune that decided he wanted to do things. But then

928
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: you keep in mind you can have eighty guys in

929
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: training camp, ninety guys in training camp, so you got

930
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: a chance to to really try to get some guys

931
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: in there that for you. Oh, we go to John

932
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: and North Carolina. John your online three your next Big

933
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Lives. Hello, Hey guys, how are you doing? Uh? Yeah,

934
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: I just want to say, Jerry Proud, member of the

935
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: Buffoon Crew, been following you guys on Twitter for a

936
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: while a few years. So, um, definitely appreciate you guys

937
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: taking a call. Thank you for what's your question? Yeah?

938
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: So um, And this is just my perception. I could

939
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: be totally off, but I'm curious from your guy's perspective,

940
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: it seemed like at the beginning of the year, the

941
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: defense and I know there's a lot of deficiencies that

942
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: took place. Jerry Reese really put them in a bad hole,

943
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: and there was a lot, like you said, that had

944
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: to happen with turnover. Only eleven twelve guys left. But

945
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: it seemed like the defensive side of the ball there

946
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: was some cohesiveness at the beginning of the year, they

947
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: were holding teams a little bit better. Now near the

948
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: end of the year, I know there were some injuries,

949
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: they got rid of Eli Apple, Snacks was gone, so

950
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: there was a lot of changes. Um. It seemed like

951
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: it kind of shifted near the end of the year

952
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: of the offense really got going. Like you said, they're

953
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: averaging close to thirty points a game. UM. But did

954
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: it seem like to you guys that there was kind

955
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: of more of and not saying that they didn't play

956
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: as competitive. I think that no one gave up, um

957
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: and when they did, they got cut, or they got

958
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: traded or they got sad. But it seemed like being

959
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: in the year, the defense was kind of rolling and

960
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: holding teams a little bit better than they were in

961
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Do you think they just

962
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: gotta you know, was it just the lack of talent?

963
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: I mean, what from your perspective, seemed to happen. Well,

964
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: I think again, when you look at this defensive roster,

965
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: you had starters that hadn't even been in football. You

966
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: had starters who were on the street. So eventually that

967
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: catches up with you during the course of the season.

968
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: Those guys are normally what they are. They don't become

969
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: on the street free agents and all of a sudden

970
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: become all pros. Um, they're on a roster if they've

971
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: got that potential. The Giants had to get these guys

972
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: in there. Um, they knew going into the season that

973
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: the safety position was going to be one that they

974
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: had to get a dressed. Um, they drafted some linebackers,

975
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: they drafted some interior alignment. Now you just they planted

976
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: the seeds. Now it's just watching them grow. And a

977
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: lot of those guys, you take b J. Hill for instance,

978
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: um looks like a very very good pick. Um Dalvin

979
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: Tomlinson from last year very good. I mean guys that

980
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: are just coming into their own. You look at Lorenzo Carter,

981
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: very good pick. So now you're starting to see four

982
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: or five six guys out of eleven that you drafted

983
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. Then you say, okay,

984
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: we got something here. Now we can just watch these

985
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: guys grow. But they've got to put demands on these

986
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: young players. Now you gotta take the next step. Last

987
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: year was fun. Now you know what it is, Lorenzo Carter,

988
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: here's what you gotta do. You've got to add to

989
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: your repertoire pass rush because you've got one move you're

990
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: too good for that. What's your counter of when somebody

991
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: short sets you? He struggled. How is your footwork and

992
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: your hands working together? That should be your mandate for

993
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: the offseason. And I say this, um, I always use

994
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: basketball references, and one a hell of a basketball player

995
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: I love watching play is Ben Simmons. Right. Ben Simmons

996
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: can distribute the ball, he can penetrate. Ben Simmons can't

997
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: shoot free throws. Ben Simmons can't shoot an outside shot consistently.

998
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: But guess what, Ben Simmons was hurt one year. He

999
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: had all off season to practice free throws when he's injured,

1000
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: and he left the playoffs and he couldn't shoot. If

1001
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: that were Kobe Bryant. You know what he did. He

1002
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: worked on everything he couldn't do LaMarcus Aldridge, right, they

1003
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: said he could only go one way in the paint.

1004
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: The next season he came back, he was two ways

1005
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: into paint. Now you can't stop him. So my point

1006
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: to these young players, don't stay good at what you're

1007
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: good at already, continue to hone that, but work on

1008
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: the things you're not good at. Work on your counters

1009
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: to the things you're good at. Because the one thing

1010
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: you're good at, what I know. And then watching the

1011
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: Giants versus the Chicago Bears, if they can take the

1012
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: one thing you're good at away from you, you've got

1013
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: nothing ineffective. And I looked at that, and I am

1014
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Khalil Mack, just to be clear

1015
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: on record, and I think he is one of the

1016
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: greats in this game today. But if I'm strategically going

1017
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: to attack him, I'm gonna make him work against the run.

1018
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: And see, this is the one thing when they started

1019
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: comparing him to Lawrence Taylor, You're not running on Lawrence Taylor. Um.

1020
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: Someone just someone just quoted Bill Belichick one of the

1021
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: New England papers, asking about Bavaro, and he said it

1022
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: was must see when Lawrence and Bavaro when that and

1023
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: in practice, when me and barvar went there in practice.

1024
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: You know why because Barvarro was the best blocking tight

1025
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: end in football. And you're launch tailor and you're good

1026
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: as you you know, you're as good as they say

1027
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: you are. Mark Bavow is not blocking you. You see

1028
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, young players, your mandate is to

1029
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: do the things that make you better and more complete,

1030
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: not continue to work on your passing or you're dribbling

1031
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: or your one pastor your speed rush. What's your counter rush?

1032
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: What does Aaron Donald do when he's when somebody takes him?

1033
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: He's got a counter for everything. That's the mark of greatness.

1034
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: How much of that do you think is the rookie

1035
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: walll Carl that means that a thing? Or no? I mean, um,

1036
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: it's so easy now not to hit the rookie wall

1037
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: because you don't do anything a week, you know, the

1038
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: rookie wall. It's simply, in my opinion, it's a mental wall,

1039
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: because the physical rookie wall, you don't get worn down,

1040
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: you don't do anything. All right, we got one more

1041
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: phone call. It's 'all it from Portland. Maybe we'll go

1042
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: a couple extra minutes to get this call in. We

1043
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: got one tweet we got to get to and then

1044
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: and then we'll sign off. Charlie, you're next on the show. Hello, Hey,

1045
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: Paul to raise after today's show. That good to talk

1046
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: to you. Go ahead, hey, call and your other guests

1047
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: does Jerry Jerry yeah, Hey. Uh. What seems what the

1048
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: Giants seemed to do, at least in the other regime,

1049
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: We always did this create more holes than we had

1050
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: to begin with. And what I mean by that is,

1051
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: if we get rid of say O V and we

1052
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: get rid of Jack Rabbit, we just created instead of

1053
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: needing one good pass rusher, now we need to instead

1054
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: of having, you know, good cornerbacks, now we're gonna have

1055
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: to get two more cornerbacks. It always seems like we're

1056
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: always creating more holes. And if we don't keep eli,

1057
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: we're still going to need a backup, and now we're

1058
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: going to need a starter. So now we've created another hole.

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Speaker 1: And that's okay if you bring in players as good

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Speaker 1: or better, but we never do that. We never bring

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Speaker 1: in somebody who is better. So I'm hoping that Gettleman

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Speaker 1: will not do that and create more holes than we

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Speaker 1: already have. And the other thing I just want to

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Speaker 1: say about Gettleman is that I wish he could have

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Speaker 1: just said that I made a mistake on signing Oh Mama,

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Speaker 1: which I called actually did he actually did say it

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Speaker 1: didn't work out the way he wanted it to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he said, well, he was a good locker room guy. Hey,

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Speaker 1: they spent six million dollars for two of locker room guys.

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Speaker 1: What are they running at daycare center? They could have

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Speaker 1: paid me a hundred thousand dollars and I would have

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Speaker 1: had that locker room feeling pretty good, giving him to

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Speaker 1: feel pretty good. We don't need locker room guys. I

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Speaker 1: wish he had just come out and said he said him,

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Speaker 1: he said he missed on it. Ut he cut the player,

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Speaker 1: he cut it. He didn't get a scholarship. That's one.

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Speaker 1: Give them credit for that. But here's the other thing too.

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Speaker 1: Don't discount the value of a locker room guy. Um,

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Speaker 1: don't discount what Stewart. The impact Stewart had on the

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Speaker 1: acceleration of an already gifted say Kwan Barkley, Um, you

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01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: need calm heads when you've got a young roster um

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 1: of offensive lineman, guy's first time playing positions at three

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: of them. Then you need a guy with some veteran

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: experience in it that that kind of helps stabilize the thing.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work out, no, but you look at the

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Speaker 1: the changes they had at the center position, at the

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01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: guard position, at the tackle position. You needed somebody in

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: there to try to stabilize. They missed on it, they

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: admitted it. They got it right with Jami Brown. But

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Speaker 1: these are things that are all a part of the

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01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 1: the idiosyncrasies of a roster. As far as your subtraction

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01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: by subtraction, sometimes it's subtraction by addition. And these are

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01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: trained professionals that are picking players. So don't try this

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01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: at home. You can play. You know, people have these

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: scenarios in their head about what the roster should look like,

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes it mimics and I always call them Matt

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: and gms. But don't be so um concerned or or

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01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: sensitive to win. A team makes a move if they

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01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: have a plan in place, and I think just based

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01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: on this last draft, Um, this team knows how to draft,

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: and you know how to put a plan in place

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Speaker 1: to address issues and um put things in place for

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01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: sustainable growth, so if they make a move in one area,

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Speaker 1: it's not too weak. And now you can say the

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Speaker 1: subtraction of Snacks made the defensive line weaker. I'm to

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01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: say he was a hell of a football player and

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: I wish he stayed. But then we never got a chance.

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01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: We would never have gotten a chance to see just

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Speaker 1: what b J. Hill was capable of. And what b J.

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01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: Hill gives you is pass rush and run stopping um so.

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Speaker 1: And then at the end of this year, then Snacks

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: would have been looking for a job. And what happens

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01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: now that it was a win win in my my opinion,

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: because you you you let a guy go who is

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Speaker 1: going to see the full length life of his contract,

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01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: and you got a guy in there who's gonna grow.

1117
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: So you let a guy go to let another guy grow,

1118
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: and there's not gonna be an appreciable drop off moving forward.

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: And you got a draft out of it, and they

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Speaker 1: got a draft pick out of it. I was gonna

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: say to your point real quick about the locker room there.

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01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: The Giants were in every game this year, and you

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01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: can maybe name the Dallas game early on, but they

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Speaker 1: were in every game. So that's a testament to what

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Speaker 1: this locker room is. Now. These guys fight to the

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Speaker 1: end and they didn't splinter, right, that's right, So that

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01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: is important. It would have been easy after they got

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Speaker 1: shut out by the Titans to fold their tents, and

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Speaker 1: they did not, and you know they did not. UM.

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Speaker 1: Carl and I as we signed off, folks, and thanks

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01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: for your phone calls today. We appreciate it. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back again tomorrow at noon Eastern time. As we signed off,

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Speaker 1: Carl and I know so much about the fan base

1134
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: here and Jerry, you guys with Giant Insider, you obviously

1135
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,959
Speaker 1: get the temperature of the fan base on a minute

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Speaker 1: by minute basis now on Twitter. Um, the one thing,

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Speaker 1: regardless of how many folks want to disagree or have

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: various opinions about certain things, the passion of the Giant

1139
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: fan and I'm sure you guys can attest to this

1140
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: around the country and around the world is never ending.

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01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: And that's that's probably the beauty of this organization one

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01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: thousand percent. I mean, Chris and I always say we're

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Speaker 1: unapologetically Giant fans. It is what it is. But you know,

1144
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: when Giant fans, it's always. It always seems to be

1145
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: a history in the family. My father was a Giant fan.

1146
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: My dad, my grandfather went to the polo grounds like

1147
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: this is family. It's in always joke, it's God family, Giants,

1148
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's always in that order. Unapologetically,

1149
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: here's here's something else what Presty just uh tweeted the

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01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: Giants and the Rams were the only teams in the

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: NFL this year to have a four thousand yard passer

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01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: and a one thousand yard receiver and a one thousand

1153
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: yard Russia. That tells me they've got some talent at pass,

1154
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: a receiver and runner, and they got pretty good coaching defense,

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01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: so they can fix a few things. I think you're

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Speaker 1: you're you should you should have expectations. Already pinned it

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Speaker 1: on on my Twitter that I expected Giants to be

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs next year, and that's I'm sticking with

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Speaker 1: that one. I got no problems with that girl. We're

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Speaker 1: saving that one, folks, Thanks so much for joining into

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Off Live. Today has been great. It

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: has been great, Jerry Chris, this has been fun. I

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Speaker 1: hope this mash up was as beneficial to you guys

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Speaker 1: as it was to me. I enjoyed it. I got

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01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: to sit next to Carl Banks for an hour and

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Speaker 1: I talked. I talked a lot. You get one question.

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01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: I can go forever. But I enjoy it. And Paul,

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01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 1: thank you for for hosting us here and kinda being

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01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: the referee here. It's been a good time. Chris bas

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Speaker 1: Ignado and Jerry Foley from Giant inside of joining Carl

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Speaker 1: Banks with us here on Big Blue Kick Off Live.

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