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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics. Well,

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Speaker 1: we discussed the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds, and Donald Trump feels us Jews need to

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Speaker 1: get their act together and appreciate him. Okay, we really

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Speaker 1: have an amazing show today. First, Senate Majority Leader Chuck

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Speaker 1: Schumer is going to be here to tell an exclusive

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Speaker 1: story for the first time about his experience on January six.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Ben Wickler, who's the chair of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, all about the tight races

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Speaker 1: there and why it's so important to focus your energy

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Speaker 1: and your dollars there. But first we have Slade Sommer,

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Speaker 1: who's editor in chief of The Recount here. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Slade. I'm so happy to be here for

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Speaker 1: the first time. That's right, you've never been to our

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Speaker 1: new and improved many many times a week podcast, which

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Speaker 1: happens pretty much all the time. The first thing we

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Speaker 1: have to talk about is the real queen has died. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we if we need need a two

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Speaker 1: I mean the dimming of the lights for Angelo Landsbury

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Speaker 1: we needed all. This was a woman who just personified

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Speaker 1: all that is good in the world. So good night,

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Speaker 1: good night to our sweet queen. She had a very

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Speaker 1: good run. She lived to be but five days away

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Speaker 1: to you about is um is a tunnel. Trump feels

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Speaker 1: that the Jews as a Jew myself, I I feel

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Speaker 1: it's particularly meaningful to me. I'm gonna read you the truth.

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Speaker 1: It's not the truth, it's a trio is and also

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Speaker 1: in for in quotes, Uh, no president has done more

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Speaker 1: for Israel than I have. Somewhat surprisingly Comma, however, Comma

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Speaker 1: are wonderful. Evangelicals are far more appreciative of this than

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Speaker 1: the people of the Jewish faith. Incredible, incredible. I just

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Speaker 1: have said that actual literal neo Nazis contain very fine people,

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Speaker 1: in Israel before it is too late. Explanation point. So

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Speaker 1: does he know something about Israel? I guess that that

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Speaker 1: we don't know, Like, is he saying before it's too

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Speaker 1: why aren't American Jews more religious? And what I mean

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Speaker 1: this is really all about why don't they like me? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Of course, at the end of the day, everything Donald

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Speaker 1: a statement that they should leave the capital immediately. And

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Speaker 1: they were just fuming and falling. You know, they were

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Speaker 1: not doing what they were supposed to be doing. It

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Speaker 1: took a long time, much too long to get the military,

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Speaker 1: poor communications between the Capitol Hill police and these groups.

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Speaker 1: unprepared and the chain of command was rotten. I called

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Speaker 1: the pre chiefs, previous chief of police and sergeant at

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Speaker 1: moment in American history. McCarthy and McConnell, the two Republican

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Speaker 1: leaders Pelosi and myself get together and say we should

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Speaker 1: not let these effin insurrectionists destroy our democracy. And it's

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Speaker 1: imperative to see that the democracy continued. And so we said,

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Speaker 1: got to go back there. Law enforcement didn't want us

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Speaker 1: to go because they said, we're not sure we've cleared

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Speaker 1: out the whole place. There could be someone there, Someone

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Speaker 1: we're floating around. And we said we don't care, and

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Speaker 1: the morning, and we did it. And that was a

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Speaker 1: good moment in democracy. And while in my judgment, both

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Speaker 1: McCarthy and McConnell have been far too supplicant to Trump

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Speaker 1: on most of this stuff, they should be denouncing right

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Speaker 1: now the lies he is telling about the election, which

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Speaker 1: fine moment. Unfortunately, they retreated from that fine moment in

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Speaker 1: the later days and still are in retreat, and they're

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Speaker 1: letting Donald Trump throw the country into turmoil. When you

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Speaker 1: saw them in that secure location, were they scared? I

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Speaker 1: don't think anyone was scared. We were just furious about

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Speaker 1: what happened and resolute that we shouldn't let these guys win,

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Speaker 1: and we ordered do everything about it. The trouble is

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Speaker 1: their favor, and so to get the army, to get

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Speaker 1: the National Guard, to get everybody to work when he's

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Speaker 1: the head of the chain at command wasn't so easy.

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Speaker 1: And look, there were not enough people in the administration

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Speaker 1: their own. They didn't, um So tell me what happened

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Speaker 1: after that. Well, after that, we counted the votes, and

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Speaker 1: figure out who should investigate. As it turned out, McConnell

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Speaker 1: But I have to tell you they did a very

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Speaker 1: very good job. I think it was very good actually

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Speaker 1: history and see what happened. I was unaware of it.

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Speaker 1: I the first time I saw those takes of what

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. Do you wish that they

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Speaker 1: had started impeachment that night when the Republicans before the

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Speaker 1: in the weeks after, some people say it should have happened,

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Speaker 1: but you know, the House had to set it up

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Speaker 1: and set up a committee and see that were they

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Speaker 1: were unsure if this kid would have been much better

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's some criticism, but I don't give

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Speaker 1: them criticism. I think that they did the best they

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Speaker 1: could under very very difficult, unusual and unique circumstances. Nothing

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Speaker 1: like this had ever happened. So what happens now? Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the Senate map. Right now, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who listen to this podcast, including my husband,

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Speaker 1: who want to know what the mid terms like, who

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Speaker 1: they should be you know, got a couple of weeks left,

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Speaker 1: who they should be focused on for these mid terms. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: first let me say this. You know, four months ago,

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Speaker 1: all the pundits and all these prognosticators, etcetera. So there's

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Speaker 1: no chance Democrats will keep the Senate it is fifty fifty.

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Speaker 1: It's very tough. And let me just say before I

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Speaker 1: go into what will happen, I am so proud of

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Speaker 1: what we did these two years. We had one of

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Speaker 1: the most productive session Senate's in history. We've done amazing

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Speaker 1: things with the first major bill on climate which will

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Speaker 1: reduced the carbon going into the atmosphere by the first

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Speaker 1: time that we've gone after the prescription drug companies and

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Speaker 1: lowered Broupal's drug prices. From the author of the Brady

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Speaker 1: Lawn assault weapons ban, I really care about rational laws

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Speaker 1: on guns. We had the first laws in thirty years

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Speaker 1: that actually did some good and you know, and didn't

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Speaker 1: let young people go out eighteen year old and go

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Speaker 1: out and buy assault weapons. We did a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of good things. We saved people with COVID and brought

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Speaker 1: the vaccines back, be the biggest infrastructure bill in the

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Speaker 1: history of the in the in decades and decades. We

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Speaker 1: reformed the post office, which had been going, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting real trouble. So we did so much. The list

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Speaker 1: could go on and on. The Chips Bill, Chips and

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Speaker 1: Science Bill. I just announced along with Governor HOCl that

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Speaker 1: we're going to have the biggest project ever in upstate

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Speaker 1: New York on chip fabs, four big chip fabs, a

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Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars, the size of forty football fields. So

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Speaker 1: all of this was great stuff that we did. Now

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Speaker 1: that's why there's an imperative I think to keep the

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Speaker 1: Democrats in the center and the Republicans were in charge.

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Speaker 1: What were there? Big things putting right wing judges on

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Speaker 1: the court, will repealed row By Wade, and did a

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Speaker 1: lot of other bad things that are anti environment, anti women,

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Speaker 1: anti union, things like that. And then the other thing

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Speaker 1: they did is tax cuts on the very rich, exacerating

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Speaker 1: the income. So there's a real difference between the two

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Speaker 1: parties being in charge, and it makes a real difference

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Speaker 1: to the average person. What do I think will happen? Well,

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Speaker 1: they said four months ago, they said we don't have

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Speaker 1: a chance, but we caused we'd accomplished so much and

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Speaker 1: did a lot over the summer. So proud of our caucus.

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Speaker 1: You know who got this done. You needed fifty votes

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Speaker 1: running from Bertie Sanders to Joe Mansion. We did it.

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Speaker 1: They said we didn't have a chance, but now people

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Speaker 1: think we do. Now there's a huge amount of dark

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Speaker 1: money coming in on the Republican side, and they're putting

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Speaker 1: on all kinds of commercials which shade the truth. But

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Speaker 1: I'm still very hopeful we will keep and maybe even

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Speaker 1: enlarge our margin in the Senate because the people know

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Speaker 1: we're on their side. The people know that they're sort

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Speaker 1: of a right wing cabal led by Donald Trump running

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, and even those who say they, oh,

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Speaker 1: they don't really agree, always go along with it. But

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Speaker 1: who do you think the listeners of this podcast should like?

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Speaker 1: Who would be people you would push? You know, it's

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Speaker 1: a very close race in Pennsylvania. I would ask people

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Speaker 1: to send their small contributions, to do phone banks, even

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Speaker 1: to go there and knock on doors. That would be important,

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Speaker 1: very important state. Nevada is a very close state. But

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Speaker 1: Georgia you've seen, you know, it's a tough state for Democrats. Nevada, Ohio, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: these are states in New Hampshire that really are close.

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Speaker 1: They're all close, So any of the eight battleground states

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Speaker 1: I would recommend people get involved. This is so interesting,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much Leader Schumer for coming in

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Speaker 1: and talking to us about what happened and were you

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Speaker 1: just floored? I was surprised. I mean, I recognized, I

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Speaker 1: recollected what happened. Obviously, it all happened, It's all true,

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Speaker 1: but I had forgotten the vividness of it. So there

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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, it was amazing and everybody was very brave,

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Speaker 1: and I think it would have been I would have

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Speaker 1: been really worried. Yes, me too, you know. All right,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Molly, thank you, thank you very much. Ben

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Speaker 1: Wickler is the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Ben Wickler, Thank you so much, Molly.

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Speaker 1: It is great to be with you and your beautiful,

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Speaker 1: beautiful listeners. Ben your what is your title? My title

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Speaker 1: is chair of the Democratic Party. It was kind okay,

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Speaker 1: So you I knew about you for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and I knew that you you were sort of very

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Speaker 1: well respected, and then you decided to go home to Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: which is where you're from. Is that right, That's right?

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Speaker 1: So I grew up, Yeah, I grew up in Madisone.

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Speaker 1: Actually moved back into the house where I grew up

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Speaker 1: and Ranford chair in the spring of and now work

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Speaker 1: with Democrats all over the state of Wisconsin in rural

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Speaker 1: areas and cities and suburbs and exurbs to get out

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Speaker 1: every possible Democratic voter and make the best case we can.

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Speaker 1: Because elections, over and over, presidential elections, Senate majority determining elections, governors,

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Speaker 1: races that decide whether we will have a constitutional crisis

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Speaker 1: in four they all happened in Wisconsin. So I want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about this because we've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of the ladies of Legislature of Michigan. We've had

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Speaker 1: all of them on this podcast, from Gretchen Whitmyer to

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Speaker 1: you know, to Dana Nassall, and I've been like really

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Speaker 1: prized at how Michigan has really you know, they've sort

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Speaker 1: of managed, in my mind, to kind of turn it around.

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Speaker 1: You know, they have this militia and these women who

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Speaker 1: are running that state are fighting back, and it's just

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Speaker 1: sort of fascinating. Wisconsin is a different kind of state,

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Speaker 1: but still a swing state. Will you explain to our

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Speaker 1: listeners what is happening in Wisconsin. Yes, So, Wisconsin is

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Speaker 1: a state that has a deep progressive history and tradition

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Speaker 1: that I'm incredibly proud of and and grew up you know,

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Speaker 1: learning about and feeling like that was the real part

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Speaker 1: of our state where the first state to declare the

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Speaker 1: Fugitive Slave Act unconstitutional. The Republican Party was born as

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Speaker 1: a radical anti slavery Party of Wisconsin. First state ra

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Speaker 1: ratify the Nineteenth Amendment for state to have public sector unions,

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Speaker 1: protections for LGBTQ people, survivors are domestic violence. The state

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Speaker 1: that produced the people that wrote the Social Security and

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Speaker 1: Medicare Act, all these great things. But we also have

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Speaker 1: this history of really intense hard right politics, including Tail Gunner.

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Speaker 1: Joe McCarthy was the Wisconsin Senator. Yeah, he put my

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Speaker 1: grandfather in jail. We're not fans in this family. Well,

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Speaker 1: the party that I lead, Democratic Party of Wisconsin, was

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Speaker 1: basically reformed as a Progressive Party in n to counter

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Speaker 1: Joe McCarthy and the you know, there's a very clear

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Speaker 1: turning point. When Wisconsin used to have the Progressive Party,

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Speaker 1: it was actually the had one gubernatorial races, We had

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Speaker 1: socialist mayor's in Milwaukee. There's a whole bunch of pieces,

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Speaker 1: but they came together because of Joe McCarthy, and we

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Speaker 1: have been, you know, fighting ever since. So we're the

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Speaker 1: only state in the country where four of the last

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Speaker 1: six presidential races has come down to less than one

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Speaker 1: percentage point eighteen the governor's race, our friends in Michigan

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Speaker 1: won by ten points. We won by one point one points,

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Speaker 1: which is a Wisconsin landslide, but is brin close. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the population of each state, Michigan is

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Speaker 1: fifty one non college educated white voters. Wisconsin is Scott Walker,

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Speaker 1: when he was governor, passed a series of laws that

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Speaker 1: made it very hard to vote, especially targeting young people,

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Speaker 1: people of color, people with disabilities, low income people. So

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Speaker 1: in the if you look at the index of the

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Speaker 1: states where it costs the most time and money to

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Speaker 1: be able to cast a ballot, at the very very

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Speaker 1: bottom of the list is Alabama. Forty six is Texas,

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Speaker 1: forty seven is Wisconsin, fort is Arkansas, forty nine is Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: It's a voter hostile environment created by Scott Walker to

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Speaker 1: to rig the rules right in a way he was

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Speaker 1: a visionary and making it order for people to vote.

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Speaker 1: I here's an example of this kind of related things.

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Speaker 1: So we also have extreme Jerrymander and unlike Michigan, there

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Speaker 1: is no ballot initiative process, so we can't have a

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Speaker 1: referendum to demand fair maps as they did in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: so you can't do anything. Well. The path to getting

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Speaker 1: fair maps, there's two different ways that we can do it.

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Speaker 1: One is hold the House when the Senate pass the

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Speaker 1: Freedom to Vote Act in John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

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Speaker 1: And if we do that, that band's partisan gerrymandering at

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Speaker 1: the state level and we'll get fair maps here. So

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Speaker 1: that's Plan A. But Plan B six months later, we

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Speaker 1: have a state Supreme Court race on April for the

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Speaker 1: majority of the State Supreme Court and for the for

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Speaker 1: the seat that will determine the majority. And if we

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Speaker 1: win that, then you could imagine a state Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: striking down the ultra ultrapartisan gerrymandered maps here. Um. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, we have to prevent Republicans from getting two

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Speaker 1: thirds super majorities, which they could realistically get on November eight.

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Speaker 1: So the down ballot races here are incredibly important and

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Speaker 1: a huge focus for us, alongside the governor's race and

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Speaker 1: the Senate race and the Attorney General's race and these

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Speaker 1: other pieces that the whole country is looking at. I'm scared.

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Speaker 1: This is very this seems like daunting. Tell us some

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Speaker 1: good news, please. So the good news is that we

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Speaker 1: won in eighteen by smashing all of our previous records

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Speaker 1: for grassroots organizing, for knocking indoors, for these local neighborhood

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Speaker 1: teams that are are organizing. Program is built around and

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Speaker 1: what normally happens in midterms after you and the presidency

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: is the energy dies down, the number of volunteer shifts

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Speaker 1: drops and doors knocked down. We're breaking all of our

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Speaker 1: records this year. Oh wow, tell me more about that.

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Speaker 1: That sounds good. There We've had millions of voter contact

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Speaker 1: attempts driven by our hundreds of teams all over the state.

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Speaker 1: And I was just at an office opening last night.

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Speaker 1: There's there's all these people that are fired up and

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Speaker 1: just like signing up for shifts every single weekend. I

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Speaker 1: think We've raised four times as much money through the

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Speaker 1: state party this year as we did in eighteen, and

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Speaker 1: I've been able to provide a ton of support to

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Speaker 1: the governor who's running a powerhouse campaign. I mean, again,

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Speaker 1: on the daunting side, it's been sixty years since the

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Speaker 1: Democrat won the governorship in a year with the Democratic president,

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Speaker 1: and sixty years ago was right after the human missile crisis.

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Speaker 1: So JFK was super popular and we won by a

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Speaker 1: single percentage point, so it's not you know, it is

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Speaker 1: it's hard, but we are tied or headed in every

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Speaker 1: single poll in the governor's race had by one or two.

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Speaker 1: But it's you know, there's no no one has found

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Speaker 1: a situation where the Republican has a lead. And that

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Speaker 1: means that it is within reach. Like if we do

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Speaker 1: everything we can every second until the polls closed on

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Speaker 1: November eight, and then you know, after that, everything we

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Speaker 1: can to make sure every provisional ballot, every ballot cure opportunity,

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Speaker 1: everything happens. Uh, we we have a very real shot

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Speaker 1: at making history and doing this. And if we do,

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Speaker 1: we stop Republicans from being able to overturn the next

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Speaker 1: presidential race because Wisconsin was the tipping point state in

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Speaker 1: both and it's it's Republicans get the governorship, they could

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Speaker 1: throw the next election even if Trump loses. But if

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Speaker 1: we if we're able to win this, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can actually create a sea wall with Wisconsin, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania's governors to prevent Republicans from being able to

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Speaker 1: overturn the race. And that is something we're writing for.

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Speaker 1: This is so insane that we have to like do

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Speaker 1: this to keep Republicans from overturning the election. I mean,

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00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: this is what is necessary obviously because one party no

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Speaker 1: longer believes in democracy. But it's so insane. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just like we have gone down the rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: and we are just used to this now. But it

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00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: is like it it's always worth like pulling back and

726
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: being like, holy shit, there are no grown ups in

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00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: the Republican Party anymore. It is really wild and it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lived reality for people in our state.

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Speaker 1: Like the Republicans in our state legislature poured more than

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Speaker 1: a million dollars in taxpayer funds into a special council

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Speaker 1: investigation into that just ended a few months ago, and

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Speaker 1: the guy in charge of it is a conspiracy. Theorist

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00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: recommended retroactively decertifying the election, which is not actually a

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Speaker 1: thing that you can do. And Tim Michael is running

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Speaker 1: for governor, said everything, like he was asked about this

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Speaker 1: and he said everything is on the table, Like we're

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Speaker 1: living in this, you know, totally disconnected from reality world,

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Speaker 1: because that's what Republicans are defining our politics as. And

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Speaker 1: like our job is to keep trying to like cut

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Speaker 1: holding that in touch reality, Like in Wisconsin right now,

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Speaker 1: we have a law that was past that bans abortion

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Speaker 1: in almost all cases, and the Republican Canada for governor

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00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: says that this is an exact mirror of his position,

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Speaker 1: and our governor is suing to strike it down with

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Speaker 1: the attorney general, and we have a decent shot at

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Speaker 1: like it's a it's a law that you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a very strong argument that it's been superseded by many

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Speaker 1: other laws that have been passed. But because no one

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00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: is sure, and because the Republicans running to lead the

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00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: state want to throw doctors in jail and investigate people

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Speaker 1: for miscarriages to see if there's a crime that's been committed.

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00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: Like that, you can't access an abortion legally in the

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Speaker 1: state of Wisconsin right now. You can't have an abortion

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Yeah, all the providers are shut down. And

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Speaker 1: that's because why they went back to the old laws, right,

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Speaker 1: the pre ROW laws. Yeah, and they like there are

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Speaker 1: several laws about abortion access that were passed after Row

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Speaker 1: on the assumption that ROW is in place. And so

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Speaker 1: the governor's argument in court is that those laws should

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Speaker 1: be the ones that we were vert to now, not

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Speaker 1: the eighteen forty nine law, but no court has decided

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Speaker 1: yet whether the eighteen forty nine laws in place, and

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Speaker 1: no hospital, you know, and doctors like they don't want

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Speaker 1: to be investigated and thrown in jail. You can't get

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Speaker 1: insurance for a practice that's providing services that there's no

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Speaker 1: clarity about whether they're legal or not. And so like

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Speaker 1: the clinics in Wisconsin have shut down, and people are like,

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Speaker 1: there's a story in the Washington Post about someone who

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Speaker 1: had neck topic topic pregnancy and was like bleeding for

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Speaker 1: ten days before doctors decided should reach the threshold in

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00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: the two doctors have to agree that your life is

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Speaker 1: before they'll do anything. And it's and it refers not

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Speaker 1: to pregnancy. It refers to the abortion, which is a

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Speaker 1: procedure that's used in cases where there's no there's not

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Speaker 1: a viable pregnancy happening. And I think an important thing

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Speaker 1: to specify here is and a topic pregnancy is a

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Speaker 1: pregnancy that happens in the flopian tubes. There's no world

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Speaker 1: in which a new topic pregnancy can ever lead to

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Speaker 1: a baby period paragraph it doesn't happen. So this is

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Speaker 1: like they're deciding whether they're going to let her die

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Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, the discussions that ob GYNs are having

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00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: about like do you wait until someone goes into sepsis

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Speaker 1: before you declear that it's a life threatening situation. It

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00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: is a dystopian it is It's horrific, and this is

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00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: what they want, Republican candidate for governor wants. So making

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00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: sure that but like people understand that those are the

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00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: stakes in this in this moment, and it could go

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00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: either way, and it is tied. And if you know,

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Speaker 1: people for anywhere in the country, if you call Wisconsin voters,

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00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: if you donate to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin or

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00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: the governor's campaign, the attorney general's campaign, if you're in Wisconsin,

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00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: you knock on doors, like this could come down to

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00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: a couple of votes per ward across the state. It

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00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: did in the last three major state wide elections. Literally,

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00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: like you know, two or three voters in every ward

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00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: determine the state wide result. It's that close, and it

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00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be that close until the

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Speaker 1: final the final moments. So I'm going to throw up.

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Speaker 1: But first and Jesse, I can feel Jesse's anxiety even

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Speaker 1: while he's muted. I just want to ask you what

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Speaker 1: is happening with Ron and on? Oh my god, So

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Speaker 1: Ron Johnson, I could spend a couple of hours talking

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Speaker 1: about how absolutely terrible he is. I mean beyond the pale,

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Speaker 1: beyond the pail. And he's you know, he's monitored personhood

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Speaker 1: amendments that have no no exception even for the life

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Speaker 1: of the parents. He's why should he I mean he's no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he isn't like women, I mean, forget it. Yeah. He

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00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: said that if you don't like Wisconsin's abortion laws, you

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00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: can move That was his response. But of course he's

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Speaker 1: also trying to pass a national abortion band. He also said, well,

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Speaker 1: why don't we just have a referendum, which he knows

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Speaker 1: that we don't allow our friend to in their state.

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Speaker 1: So the governor actually called a special section of our

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Speaker 1: legislature and then Ron Johnson said, oh, no, we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: rush this. He's he just doesn't want people to think

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00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: about what he's trying to do to them, and the

817
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: the you know, there's that there's also he's really the

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00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: only senator in a in a tough reelection fight who's

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Speaker 1: openly talking about putting Social Security on the chopping block.

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Speaker 1: He wants it to be voted on every year about

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Speaker 1: whether to cut it or abolish it or what to do.

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Speaker 1: So social security is one of these things where it

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Speaker 1: is wildly popular. I mean rich, even rich people feel

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Speaker 1: entitled to their Social Security. I have seen this firsthand.

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Speaker 1: So security must poll at point. Now, you know, nobody

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Speaker 1: is like, no, I don't want the money I've been

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Speaker 1: paying into for my entire life. I don't want that.

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Speaker 1: So I don't understand if Republicans are taking these wildly

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Speaker 1: unpopular views. Why are voters not understanding that or not

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00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: seeing it or not voting against it. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: working to make sure people do know about it. But

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Speaker 1: this is right now. What Ron Johnson has done. His

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Speaker 1: one major achievement in the Senate in terms of actual

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Speaker 1: laws is that when Trump proposed a giant tax cut

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Speaker 1: for the wealthy, Ron Johnson said, no, I'm a no

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Speaker 1: vote unless you add a giant tax cut specifically for

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Speaker 1: people who own pass through companies. And it happens that

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Speaker 1: the two people who like poured thirty million dollars into

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Speaker 1: his last campaign, their multi billion dollar companies are structured

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Speaker 1: has passed through corporate entities rather than as you know,

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Speaker 1: ce corporations it's like a tax talk about a return

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Speaker 1: on your investment. That is that family that starts with

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Speaker 1: the name starts with the U, right, yeah, the U Lines.

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Speaker 1: The U Lines are the biggest funders of the Stop

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Speaker 1: the Steel rally, and they had poured, you know, giant

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Speaker 1: amounts into his race. Is some of the biggest Republican

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00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: donors in the country. And then Diane Hendrix is the

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00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: wealthiest woman in Wisconsin. She owns ABC home. She also

849
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: poured a ton of money and both of their companies

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Speaker 1: are passed throughs. Those three people. They got a two

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00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen million dollar tax cut in the first

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Speaker 1: year just because of Ron Johnson's proposal, which is by

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Speaker 1: the way, the most aggressive tax cut that the former

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Speaker 1: head of the Drug Committee and Tax Station had ever seen.

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Speaker 1: He called the Congress is worst tax idea. So they

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Speaker 1: got this giant payout and they have this time. They've

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Speaker 1: set up the biggest single candidate superpack in the country

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Speaker 1: that spent twenty two million dollars running ads twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours a day in Wisconsin. Just like basically lying about

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Speaker 1: crime and trying to demonize Mandela Barnes, whos are a

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Speaker 1: great democratics sented candidate and the just on splot and

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Speaker 1: also they are racist these ads too. So they show

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Speaker 1: like crime scenes that are fuzzy and they it's like

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Speaker 1: put Mandela Barn's his name on them and they like

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Speaker 1: circle in red, you know, someone running, and then they

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Speaker 1: zoom in on Mandela at the end and say Mandela

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Speaker 1: Barn dangerous. Different. Yeah, I mean that's not subtle at all.

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Speaker 1: This is not a racist dog whistle. This is a

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Speaker 1: bull horn. But the whole thing is like trying to

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Speaker 1: get like, if you ask voters, there's a poll came

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Speaker 1: out this week. Voters are not generally afraid for their

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Speaker 1: personal safety, but they think that this is there's now

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Speaker 1: a crime crisis happening across the state. So depending on

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Speaker 1: how you look at it, like there's a most of

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Speaker 1: the polling is finding the race is tied or like

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Speaker 1: a one point race. The Marquette University Law School poll

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Speaker 1: that came out yesterday found that if you ask people

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Speaker 1: the likely voters, which they turned as people who say

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Speaker 1: they're absolutely certain to vote, Mandela is behind registered voters.

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Speaker 1: Mandela is tied with Ron Johnson. And the whole thing is,

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Speaker 1: you know, an attempt to terrify voters about a racialized

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Speaker 1: crime wave that is not happening. And our job as

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Speaker 1: Democrats is to cut through that say, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's they're they're trying to scare and divide us so that

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Speaker 1: that they can rob us blind no matter what we

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Speaker 1: look like or where we live. They're coming from some

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Speaker 1: security and they're taking aware of freedom. And that's that

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Speaker 1: message getting out and enough volume is the key to

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Speaker 1: being able to turn this, to turn this into the

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Speaker 1: year that Ron Johnson's political career ends. What's so striking

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Speaker 1: to me about this Ron Johnson campaign is that a

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Speaker 1: few months ago before these ads started in August, Mandela

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Speaker 1: Barnes was running about six seven points ahead that so

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Speaker 1: here there was a poll that had in seven points ahead.

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Speaker 1: Our view has been that this is almost certainly a

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Speaker 1: toss up race all the way through. If you look

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Speaker 1: at that poll, about a third of the voters didn't

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Speaker 1: know anything about Mandela and so it was basically a

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Speaker 1: referendum on Ron Johnson, and who sucks exactly like if

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Speaker 1: it's a referendum on Ron Johnson, Johnson loses. So Ron

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Speaker 1: Johnson's whole thing is to try to turn this into

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Speaker 1: a referendum on Mandela Barnes and blackness. Yeah, I'm like

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Speaker 1: a caricature on blackness, like a version of Mandela that

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Speaker 1: doesn't you know, his only exists in the minds of

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Speaker 1: the Republican you know, superpack ad makers. You know, Mandela

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Speaker 1: is the son of a public school teacher and a

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Speaker 1: third shift autoworker and knows he's been on this podcast before.

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Speaker 1: He's really impressive. He is fantastic. And the more people

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Speaker 1: here directly from him, like people like him across the state.

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Speaker 1: When they hear from them, people are really into it

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Speaker 1: and they get that he gets them in a way

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Speaker 1: that they know that Ron Johnson doesn't get them. Like,

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Speaker 1: we have to make sure people actually see the actual

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Speaker 1: Mandela Barnes, and then we have to punch back against Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who is you know, his entire he's a he's a

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Speaker 1: very wealthy individual because his father in law was a

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Speaker 1: billionaire who set up his brother in law and him

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Speaker 1: with a company that had one customer, which was the

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Speaker 1: father in law's company. And so he's running as a

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Speaker 1: kind of self made businessman. But that is the actual

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Speaker 1: source of his wealth. And incidentally, his company was structured

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Speaker 1: as a pass through also, so he cast out for

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Speaker 1: five million dollars after that tax gout that he passed

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Speaker 1: for donors. That's his thing is, you know, scare people,

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Speaker 1: divide people, spend conspiracy theories, cover up for Trump's crimes,

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Speaker 1: and then with the other hand, shovel money to the

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Speaker 1: people that keep him in office, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: take a cup for himself. And that's like, the more

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Speaker 1: people know about the reality of this race, the better

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Speaker 1: we do. And that's that what runs out than terified of.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate that you've had Bendela, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the chance to talk to you about it. Like, this

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Speaker 1: is a race that we can win. That is, you know,

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Speaker 1: if we if we ask all the voters, it is

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Speaker 1: tied right now. We just have to make sure we

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Speaker 1: cut through the noise with the truth and and punch

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Speaker 1: back as hard as were getting punched. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. This was so interesting, Ben, really really grateful

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Speaker 1: for the chance to join you, and thanks for all

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Speaker 1: all you're doing and thanks for your listeners. I should

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Speaker 1: say they can volunteer with STEMS dot org slash volunteer.

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Speaker 1: We will put people to work no matter where they

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Speaker 1: are every second from now until the end of the election.

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Speaker 1: It's worth the time, Molly junk Fast, Jesse can in Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, when Joe Biden's eating ice cream, I'm like

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Speaker 1: point five or son happier, which is a lot for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I as someone who's a regular ice cream

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Speaker 1: eater myself had it last night. My favorite thing about

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Speaker 1: him is like he's he's quite thin, but he's always

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Speaker 1: eating ice cream, which it really is true, which is

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Speaker 1: a reason that I stopped eating so much ice cream.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of impressive to me. But one of the

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Speaker 1: great moments in Joe Biden dum was him saying and

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he was dumb. I actually thought it

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Speaker 1: was brilliant, hilarious, and he was absolutely right. So the

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Speaker 1: clip is Joe Biden eating and ice cream being asked

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Speaker 1: about the I think what will soon be Britain's shortest

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Speaker 1: serving prime minister. Liz to us she's not going to

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Speaker 1: outlast that head of Lettuce. After all, we should explain

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Speaker 1: to the audience that a British TV show right now

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Speaker 1: has a camera on a picture of Liz trust and

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Speaker 1: ahead of Lettuce to see which one less longer. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's the clip. Well, it's predictable. I mean, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: the only one who thought it was a mistake. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: but look, yeah but I think that the idea cutting

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Speaker 1: taxes on the super wealthy time money anyway. I just

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Speaker 1: think that I disagree with the policy that's up to

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Speaker 1: written to make that judgment. Not only where's your money

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Speaker 1: the Lettuce or Liz Trust, I still think the let

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Speaker 1: us Outlives list trust his political career. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm running over to politic Better or whatever we could

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Speaker 1: do to a place that bet for us. Now, with

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Speaker 1: all the Royalty body for this podcast, exactly, that's it

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Speaker 1: for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds in politics

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Speaker 1: makes sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what

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Speaker 1: the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening. MHM.