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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Marco Rubio has introduced a bill

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Speaker 1: to ban TikTok in America. Now all teenage girls hate him.

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Speaker 1: Today's show has many twists and many turns, talking point memos.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Walker stops by to talk to us about the

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Speaker 1: latest findings in Mark Meadows text messages. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to newly elected Congressman Maxwell Frost about his strange ride

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Speaker 1: to Congress. But first we have the spiciest congressman in

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Speaker 1: the land who represents Arizona's seventh district, My friend and yours,

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Speaker 1: Reuben Diego. Welcome to Fast Politics, Representative Reuben Diego. So

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Speaker 1: pretty exciting. And the year what is happening? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of Christmas gifts coming out.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we're still trying to get the budget done here

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Speaker 1: here since Cinema decided to take a walk on Arizona's

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what the rest of the rings. First,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Arizona mid term which was pretty harry,

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Speaker 1: was it? I mean, you were in Arizona on the

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Speaker 1: ground pretty much killing yourself, and Arizona elected many Democrats. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did it. I mean it was it was Harry

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Speaker 1: we would have had some really crazy people in office.

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Speaker 1: But it was not Harry in the sense that I

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Speaker 1: just didn't think that it was that we were going

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Speaker 1: to lose. What was it like on the ground there,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Arizona is a purple state, but Democrats one

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Speaker 1: Senate governorship Secretary of state a g Yeah, almost of

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Speaker 1: the state house states said it almost picked up to

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Speaker 1: that I knew that the ground has shifted in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: that we were truly a purple state, and that if

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Speaker 1: we had the right investment, that we could probably pull

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Speaker 1: up a lot of these races. And where we had

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Speaker 1: the right investment, we want. Where we didn't have investments,

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Speaker 1: we lost. For example, we lost two congressional seats by

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Speaker 1: in there. And so you know, you saw Kelly rolled

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Speaker 1: That is a landslide, considering that we are, you know,

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Speaker 1: still a purple state. But I was not surprised, Like

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Speaker 1: Latino voters are stuck with the Democratic Party spite like

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Speaker 1: what everyone else had said, and the Republicans came in

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Speaker 1: with the most extremist people with offering zero solutions, and

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Speaker 1: Masters is like the perfect candidate there, but he did

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Speaker 1: number one, you can't run somebody that has a serial

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Speaker 1: killer vibe like that. That was yeah, you're afraid to spit.

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Speaker 1: It was like it was really really hot. Like so

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Speaker 1: even his the things that he was trying to talk

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Speaker 1: the it will be protesting that election forever and ever. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: So this weekend, the Young Republican Club, which is very

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Speaker 1: How do you serve in Congress with this person? And

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Speaker 1: She's not exactly the Eisenhower of the movement for something

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Speaker 1: co wrote with Denver Riggleman, who was a Republican member

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Speaker 1: of Congress and then the staffer on the committee. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I've been diving deep into January six really since

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Speaker 1: the day it happened, prior to doing this text series

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Speaker 1: for t PM. And when you really dig deep into

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Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, January six wasn't just any one thing.

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Speaker 1: I think it is good as a broad term to

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Speaker 1: apply to, you know, the schmore Gas Board of efforts

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Speaker 1: by Trump people before and after the election to kind

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Speaker 1: of raise doubts about the vote, challenge the vote, and

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Speaker 1: ultimately you know, overturned the election and possibly even declare

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Speaker 1: martial law. And you know, there was not any one

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Speaker 1: person really other than Trump in charge. There was not

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Speaker 1: really any one line of attack. There were all these

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Speaker 1: tons of characters, whether it be Phil Waldron, Michael Flynn,

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Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, who were working on various aspects

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Speaker 1: of this. Clark was this environmental lawyer, you know, not

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Speaker 1: remotely qualified to be attorney general, and he seems to

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Speaker 1: have been someone who was ready and willing to work

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Speaker 1: on the sort of executive order type strategy. You know,

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Speaker 1: what ended up happening was that the DJ basically revolted

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Speaker 1: and blocked him from being put in as the country's

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Speaker 1: top law enforcement officer. And I think that's an important

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Speaker 1: point to bring up because you know, one thing that

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Speaker 1: we see from these Meadows texts in this series we're

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Speaker 1: doing on talking points in memo is not only were

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Speaker 1: you know, Republican members of Congress broadly, you know, a

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Speaker 1: group of these plotters that I'm talking about, but with

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Speaker 1: the various schemes they were all concocting and a couple

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Speaker 1: of points, you know, you see things that might have

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Speaker 1: worked if certain people in government didn't stand up. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would include the governors that got pressure from Trump,

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Speaker 1: Bryan Kemp and Doug Doocey, people like Raffinsburger and Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and then the DJ folks who like wouldn't let Clark

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Speaker 1: get installed. And I think a really frightening question that

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Speaker 1: all of this evidence were sifting through on TPM brings

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Speaker 1: up is you know what would have happened just a

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Speaker 1: couple more people, Mike pet speak another another big one.

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Speaker 1: We're willing to go fully along with it. So I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about the Rick Allen revelations. Also,

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Speaker 1: who is Rick Allen? From my Dad Tell my dad

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Speaker 1: Rick Allen is. So you know, Rick Allen is a

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Speaker 1: Georgia congressman and you know he's one of the stars

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Speaker 1: of Day two of our Meadows Texts series on tpm

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Speaker 1: UM and in the way we kind of framed it,

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Speaker 1: I did my story on him with my colleague Kayla Philo.

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Speaker 1: He's not a star. He's kind of a side character

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Speaker 1: in the in the vast you know, Maga extended cinematic universe.

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Speaker 1: He's not a name people know. But the second you

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Speaker 1: open the Meadows text log, it becomes apparent that you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not necessarily clear a hundred percent how

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Speaker 1: much you know Meadows wanted him there, but Rick Allen

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Speaker 1: wanted to be there, and it was just you know, aggressively,

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Speaker 1: you know, working to promote conspiracy theories, press officials in

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Speaker 1: his home state of Georgia and aid the election challenge

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Speaker 1: anyway he could. In one really interesting moment he seems

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Speaker 1: to have texted Brad Raethinsburger, the Secretary of State in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: who again was a focal point of pressure from you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump and his allies, and you know, people forget this,

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Speaker 1: but essentially the Georgia runoff, which we examined in another

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Speaker 1: East that went up today on TPM, the Georgia runoff occurred,

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Speaker 1: you know, at the same time as you know, the

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Speaker 1: broader presidential election denial effort. I believe voters went to

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Speaker 1: the polls on January five to vote in that Senate race,

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Speaker 1: so it kind of got caught up in everything. And

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Speaker 1: you see that in one of these texts from Alan,

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Speaker 1: where he's prefacing Ravensburger about an issue that occurred in

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Speaker 1: a polling side or a couple of polling sites in

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Speaker 1: one of the counties in his district. He's kind of saying, see, look,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dominion, I blame you for this, citing the

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Speaker 1: voting company that was just you know, as central to

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Speaker 1: various MAGA conspiracy theories. As best I can tell from

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Speaker 1: local reporting, the issue that Alan was highlighting, there was

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Speaker 1: a problem with some machines. For a couple of hours,

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Speaker 1: people had to vote with paper during that period, and

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Speaker 1: it just really wasn't a big deal. But he was

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Speaker 1: pref pressing Ravensburger on this, and then he forwarded those

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Speaker 1: texts in real time over to Meadows. And what's interesting

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Speaker 1: about this is the Allen sort of let's call it

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Speaker 1: the Columbia County conspiracy theory, ends up on Trump's Twitter

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Speaker 1: feed that day, where the President basically says, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Rick Allen, more evidence of problems in Georgia. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised. I want to talk to you about the pardons, though,

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Speaker 1: if I may, just there's two things that you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure people know about Rick Allen. One,

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Speaker 1: you know, another conspiracy theory mainlined right into the White

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Speaker 1: House is this bizarre Romanian YouTube video. And then his

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Speaker 1: whole communications with Meadows closes, you know, in the wake

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Speaker 1: of January six, when he essentially sends this long text

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Speaker 1: saying that Trump needs Jesus and he wants to minister

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Speaker 1: over Trump in the White House. Now you might think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think probably a lot of your listeners

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Speaker 1: think that Trump needs Jesus. But in Rick Allen's mind,

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Speaker 1: you know, this wasn't about getting right this was about

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Speaker 1: Jesus sort of getting him ready for the war that

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Speaker 1: was to come and Trump needed spiritual power, and Meadows

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Speaker 1: response to this with God bless you. So I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: you were saying pardons. He has pardons. That's another another

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Speaker 1: crazy part of the series on TPM. Yeah, so let

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Speaker 1: me ask you what about the pardons. One thing that

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Speaker 1: we saw in these text messages was a couple of

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Speaker 1: people including Rick Allen, including Paul Gosar and also a

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Speaker 1: local UH lawmaker in charge of Vernon Jones, and then

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Speaker 1: Ted Budd who actually just became a senator. Yeah, who

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Speaker 1: became a senator. They all were texting MARKT. Meadows and explicitly,

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Speaker 1: like literally within the same text, you know, pairing their

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Speaker 1: election denial activism with requests for pardons. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: Ted Budd, you know, this is December number one. Anything

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Speaker 1: I need to do to help get Robin h on

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Speaker 1: the parton list too, I'm on the January six objector

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Speaker 1: list in case there's anything to sync up on hand

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Speaker 1: off grateful for you, you you know. So they were just

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Speaker 1: like literally mixing it a hundred hundred percent. So they

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Speaker 1: did everything short of a g doc for partments. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mean again, you know, I go back to

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Speaker 1: that line from the wire like were you really taking

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Speaker 1: notes on on a criminal conspiracy? And again, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking Tuesday morning, as we're actually prepping that story

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Speaker 1: for publication. My colleague, I mean a Eugel and I

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Speaker 1: are talking to various legal experts. Is this ichy or

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Speaker 1: all the way illegal? And the answer seems to be

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Speaker 1: depends on your legal interpretation, but it's definitely, you know,

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Speaker 1: borderline unethical and very clearly documented that there was you know,

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Speaker 1: pretty direct favor trading going on. Oh yeah, it sounds

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Speaker 1: like I want to get to this idea. What text

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Speaker 1: do you think is the most smocking gun of the text?

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Speaker 1: I would have to say I think I called the

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Speaker 1: Ralph Norman text. I'm just pulling that one up right now,

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Speaker 1: but I think I called that the raw distillation of

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Speaker 1: everything else you see in the Meadows text log. And

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Speaker 1: he's a South Carolina Republican and on January, three days

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Speaker 1: before Biden was set to take office, in one of

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Speaker 1: these text messages that we've published on TPM, Ralph Norman

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Speaker 1: writes to Mark Meadows and says, quote Mark in seeing

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Speaker 1: what's happening? So quickly and reading about the dominion lawsuits

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Speaker 1: attempting to stop any meaningful investigation. We are at a

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Speaker 1: point of no return in saving our republic. Double exclamation point,

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Speaker 1: our all caps last hope is invoking martial law. Double

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Speaker 1: exclamation point should Marshall was misspelled. And then he goes

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Speaker 1: to all collaps for you know, the crescendo, the grand finale. Here,

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Speaker 1: please urge to president to do so, so I highlight this.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's humorous in a sense, but it's also

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Speaker 1: terrifying because what you have here with Dominion is just

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Speaker 1: debunked conspiracy theories, a elected member of Congress failing basic

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Speaker 1: information literacy and then using that, you know, to justify

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Speaker 1: this overheated rhetoric and a call for martial law. So

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Speaker 1: he's literally essentially, you know, three days before what should

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Speaker 1: have been the peaceful transfer of power January six has

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Speaker 1: already happened, and this guy, Ralph Norman is calling for

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Speaker 1: troops in the streets. And you know, I called him.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to him yesterday and I was like, we're

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Speaker 1: reporting on this text, um and he said to me,

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Speaker 1: it's been two years. Send that text to me and

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Speaker 1: I'll take a look at it, and I did send

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Speaker 1: it to him, and then he never responded. He ghosted me.

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Speaker 1: So interesting and also so very trumpy. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: under Walker for joining us. Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Maxwell Frost is the congressman elect in Florida's tenth district.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Maxwell Frost, Hey, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me on. We're thrilled to have you.

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Speaker 1: Your twenty five years old. You came on this podcast

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Speaker 1: when you were running for office. You have run, you

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Speaker 1: have won your congressman elect. You will be sworn in

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Speaker 1: in January. You're already pretty famous. Sorry, you've come from

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Speaker 1: March for Our Lives. Why do you think that you

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Speaker 1: already are resonating in the national media Because there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of members of Congress that

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Speaker 1: no one's ever heard of. Yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a couple of things. I mean, number one,

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Speaker 1: the historic nature of our campaign, being the first member

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Speaker 1: of a generation and an institution like Congress, I think

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Speaker 1: is really exciting for both younger and people of any age,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's, you know, a big part of

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Speaker 1: the reason. I think the other one is that I

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Speaker 1: think people are loving our message and the authenticity that

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Speaker 1: our campaign brought to win this and that we're just

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Speaker 1: bringing the Congress and you know, it's nothing, it's nothing

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Speaker 1: wildly different than what a lot of other folks have brought,

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Speaker 1: and so just excited to be a small part of

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Speaker 1: such a big puzzle. One of the things that I

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Speaker 1: was really impressed with that you did was you talked

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Speaker 1: about your story of trying to get an apartment in

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Speaker 1: d C. It was like one of these things that

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you didn't think much of, but that really

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Speaker 1: resonated with people. Will you talk about that a little bit, Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, I always knew I would have a

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Speaker 1: problem getting an apartment for this first month, first two months,

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Speaker 1: because for people who don't know when you're incoming member Congress,

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Speaker 1: you don't get your first paycheck for a month after

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Speaker 1: you get sworn in, and then you also don't get

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Speaker 1: healthcare until then. So I knew this is something I

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Speaker 1: have to think through. So I was actually planning on

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Speaker 1: couch surfing or saying with a friend or two for

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Speaker 1: about a month the first couple of months to really,

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Speaker 1: you know, accrue some of my first normal paychecks UM

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Speaker 1: in a while, and then be able to move in somewhere.

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Speaker 1: And that was my plan. But I saw an apartment

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Speaker 1: become available in the Navy Yard that was in my

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Speaker 1: budget range UM, and I was really excited about it

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Speaker 1: because I was like, Wow, I might be able to

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Speaker 1: have a home here on the first when I actually

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Speaker 1: start the job, went to the place at a very

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Speaker 1: long tour, applied for it on the spot because I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to lose it. Was really excited left and

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Speaker 1: then found out that I was denied. And when I

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Speaker 1: looked at the paperwork, I was denied because of my

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Speaker 1: credit score, even though I had, you know, a letter

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Speaker 1: from the House of Representatives vouching essentially that I'll have

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Speaker 1: a certain salary for the next two years. And so

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Speaker 1: I really tweeted what I tweeted half at a frustration

646
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Speaker 1: and half wanting people to kind of know, Hey, I

647
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Speaker 1: mean remember Congress, and I'm still going through this and again,

648
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Speaker 1: and I tweeted this. I know I come from a

649
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Speaker 1: point of privilege because like, in two years, if you know,

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Speaker 1: all goes well, I get reelected, I'll be okay essentially

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Speaker 1: credit wise, probably because of my new salary and hopefully

652
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Speaker 1: it'll be able to pay off some debt. But the

653
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Speaker 1: point of entry is very difficult, and the point of

654
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: entry to power determines who gets to the power. And

655
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Speaker 1: when we see how inaccessible it is for working class

656
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Speaker 1: people to run for office and then assume office, it

657
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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense why there's not as many

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Speaker 1: working class people representative government these days. Yeah, I mean,

659
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Speaker 1: and I think that that it's so important. Also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm twenty years older than you, actually only nineteen years

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Speaker 1: older than you. But in my own life I've seen

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Speaker 1: that like, the more I can share stories that might

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Speaker 1: feel embarrassing but are really relevant to a lot of

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Speaker 1: other people, the more I can kind of help them,

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Speaker 1: which always is really helpful for me. If that makes

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Speaker 1: any sense. No, that makes a ton of sense, and

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Speaker 1: I completely like, I agree with you. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: day of that, I tweeted that, I you know, so

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Speaker 1: I went on Google and googled myself to see what

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Speaker 1: were the news articles, and it was just news article

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Speaker 1: after news article talking about, you know, me having bad

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Speaker 1: credit and all this, and I'm like, oh, wonderful that

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Speaker 1: people people me, they'll know I have bad credit. But

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Speaker 1: you know, looking at the responses on Twitter and the emails,

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Speaker 1: We've got hundreds of emails, people sharing their own stories

676
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Speaker 1: and everything. So we're we're kind of taking a step

677
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Speaker 1: back and figuring out, number one, what can we do

678
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Speaker 1: in the immediate once we get sworn in to fight

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Speaker 1: for tenants and renters and all the all the people

680
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Speaker 1: who are not going to be sworn in the Congress

681
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Speaker 1: and in a couple of months and have a good

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Speaker 1: salary for the next two years, right like the Americans

683
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Speaker 1: across the country and also in my district, which in Orlando,

684
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Speaker 1: we have one of the worst housing crisis in the

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Speaker 1: entire country right now. So yeah, this has presented a

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Speaker 1: new opportunity. And then we have all these stories that

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Speaker 1: people have sent us that we want to tell because

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Speaker 1: you know, as an organizer. I think storytelling is our

689
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Speaker 1: greatest tool, and I want to tell stories, um with legislation.

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Speaker 1: So either way, Yeah, that's my thinking too. I mean

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Speaker 1: I just think, like, you know, you're twenty five years old,

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Speaker 1: like of course you have bad like one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess there are twenty five year old who have

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Speaker 1: parents who are so rich that they never have bad credit.

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Speaker 1: But largely you're twenty five. Like that's what it is. Man.

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Speaker 1: I think it's such an important moment. Talk to me

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Speaker 1: about what it's like to come into this Congress because

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Speaker 1: you are coming in in a really interesting time, right,

699
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Speaker 1: you have this very radicalized Republican party. They did not

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Speaker 1: have this red wave they thought they would. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of like drama. What is it like for you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's definitely been a world when Um, I

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Speaker 1: can say, I feel like I've been in a little

704
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Speaker 1: bit of a bubble with orientation, just because at orientation

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Speaker 1: number one there's not a ton of opportunities to talk

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Speaker 1: with people from the other party. There's some, and the

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Speaker 1: ones you get, you know, I think it's really cordial

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Speaker 1: and we all talk to each other talk about the

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00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 1: things we agree with. But I know in my heart

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Speaker 1: of hearts come January three, not for every member, but

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Speaker 1: for certain numbers. I think that tone will change when

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Speaker 1: they get into the ranks of their party and we

713
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: start debating these issues and Republicans want to go for

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Speaker 1: a Hunter Biden and that of figuring out, you know,

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Speaker 1: how can we help people with their day to day life.

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Speaker 1: And so the hope is that there'll there'll be enough

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Speaker 1: folks for us to work together in a bipartisan way.

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Speaker 1: But I know it's gonna be difficult. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not wildly optimistic about it, unfortunately, just because

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Speaker 1: of what we've seen from the other side over the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks. I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: how you came to Congress because you worked in March

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Speaker 1: Our Lives and you come from that generation. Jessie and

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Speaker 1: I was generation. We grew up under still the assault

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Speaker 1: rifle band, so we had less school shootings when we

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Speaker 1: were growing up. But the generation after us and you

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Speaker 1: guys really for the brunt of it. And I'm curious

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Speaker 1: how that informs the kind of Congress person you're gonna be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it means every time I come to the table on

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Speaker 1: any issue, I'm bringing my experiences as a as a

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Speaker 1: young person, as a gen z Er, as a young

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Speaker 1: black person in the South, of the young black Latino

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Speaker 1: person in the South, right, all these different parts that

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Speaker 1: make up who we are. I'm going to bring to

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Speaker 1: the table because that's the whole reason I wanted to

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Speaker 1: run for Congress. And I think, you know, when we

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Speaker 1: talk about these shootings, of bring the perspective of, as

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Speaker 1: you said, bringing a part of what I call the

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Speaker 1: mass shooting generation, which I know is really morbid and

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Speaker 1: it's orrible to think about, but it's it's really one

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Speaker 1: of the key factors. Every time I speak with a

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Speaker 1: gen z or sometimes, like especially when we're out in

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Speaker 1: college campuses, I try to ask folks, you know, can

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Speaker 1: you just tell me, like, what do you think some

745
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Speaker 1: of the defining moments of our generation are almost always,

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Speaker 1: and again this is anecdotal, but almost always, someone's gonna

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Speaker 1: bring up some incident where someone has died, whether it

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Speaker 1: be a school shooting or George Floyd or Brianna Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's horrible. These are like the peaks of

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Speaker 1: our timeline as a generation. So when when I go

751
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Speaker 1: to Congress and when you know, people at my age

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Speaker 1: go to office. They're bringing that perspective. It's such an interesting,

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Speaker 1: you know, strange thing. Democrats have had this much older

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Speaker 1: leadership and now all of a sudden we have a

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Speaker 1: cheem Jefferies coming in, who is younger. Will there be

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Speaker 1: some culture clash there? I don't think so. But also,

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Speaker 1: you know, I haven't been in the cap is long

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Speaker 1: enough today we have a culture class? Would work? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, right, But I but I think that from

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Speaker 1: what I've seen in a lot of these meetings, the

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Speaker 1: caucus has a lot of respect for the three leaders

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Speaker 1: coming in Leader Jeffreys and whip Clerk or future of

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Speaker 1: Clerk and Paguilar and so you know, maybe there'll be

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Speaker 1: some culture some minor culture classes, but from what I see,

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Speaker 1: I think people are pretty united around this leadership and

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Speaker 1: are ready to kind of, you know, follow their lead

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00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: as we come into this you know, narrowly held Republican House.

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Speaker 1: You were an uber driver, you know, now you're a legislator.

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Speaker 1: Where is your appetite for regulation here? Yeah? You see

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Speaker 1: you're talking about in terms of Uber Yeah, well, in

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Speaker 1: terms of big tech and more importantly, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: in this moment where labor unions are coming back and

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Speaker 1: thank god, and where workers are are demanding really livable

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Speaker 1: living wage again and there is money for it. It's

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Speaker 1: just you know, so I'm curious what your take is

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Speaker 1: on that you've been now on, but you will have

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Speaker 1: been on both sides of regulation. Yeah, well, no, I

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00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: think the regulation is extremely important, and I think when

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Speaker 1: we regulate, it needs to be a worker centered and

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Speaker 1: consumer centered. I mean, we've been seeing that the power

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Speaker 1: of the consumer in in the marketplace has been diminishing,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 1: with unchecked big tech um and monopolies, and we see

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Speaker 1: the issues rise day after day, both the kind of

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00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: on the national scale and then also at the local scale.

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Speaker 1: So I think the regulation is really important. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if we look at a lot of these ride share companies,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of times people are

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Speaker 1: attracted to you know, the gig economy has been on

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Speaker 1: the rise for a while. I mean it's said my

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Speaker 1: generation said to go through. I think fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: jobs in our lifetime might even be more at this point.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of that has to do with

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Speaker 1: the economy, but we just got to make sure that

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Speaker 1: it's not done at the cost of exploiting workers, and

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Speaker 1: I think we see that with a lot of our

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Speaker 1: ride share drivers who look a lot of them, including myself,

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Speaker 1: liked the whole, you know, self employed thing because you

799
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Speaker 1: can really clock in and out when you want. However,

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Speaker 1: there are ways to still achieve the same system but

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Speaker 1: have healthcare and be able to rely on one job

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Speaker 1: and not have three. Those are my thoughts on it.

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00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I think the regulation is really important. I think it's

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00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: we're seeing something what's going on with Twitter right now,

805
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: which Twitter is more than a small tech company, right

806
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: this is like a public form at this point, and

807
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 1: see the misinformation, disinformation being spread around and the hate

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00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: speech going up, and it's, uh, something that needs to

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Speaker 1: be dealt with. I come from generation acts and it

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Speaker 1: turns out we suck. But I feel like your generation

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Speaker 1: doesn't suck. Yeah, I mean, you know, I I think

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Speaker 1: my generation is a great generation. You Know what I

813
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: always talk about is I always think about the timeline

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Speaker 1: of gen Z Right. I remember growing up and seeing

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Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street on the news and asking my dad like,

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Speaker 1: why are those people sleeping outside on the street, and

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Speaker 1: then him explaining what wealth, any quality is an element

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Speaker 1: three school and growing up with that in my mind,

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Speaker 1: and then Trayvon Martin being murdered about thirty minutes away

820
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Speaker 1: from my home here in Orlando where he's murderin Sandford,

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Speaker 1: getting that talk for my parents, learning that at a

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Speaker 1: young age, Columbine Park Lynn Paul's George Floyd. You know,

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Speaker 1: all these different things kind of stack up, and seeing

824
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Speaker 1: things online and on Twitter, and being in this generation

825
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: where we've been in through all in technology, our entire lives,

826
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Speaker 1: I think builds a kind of trauma filled generation. But

827
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Speaker 1: the exciting thing is that despite that, we want to

828
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Speaker 1: be a part of the solution, right and uh, we

829
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Speaker 1: don't wanna We don't just want to sit around. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's the important thing. That's why the youth vote,

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Speaker 1: even though it's not the largest block right now, it

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Speaker 1: is the largest that's ever been in the history of

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Speaker 1: our country at this point in time, and I think

834
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Speaker 1: that means something, um and I think it's really exciting.

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Speaker 1: But it's not just up the gen z, right, It's

836
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Speaker 1: not just the young people. It's all of us coming together,

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Speaker 1: multi racial, multigenerational movement for the world we believe in.

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Speaker 1: And I think just for a lot of young people.

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Speaker 1: That world is when where we're doing what we need

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Speaker 1: to do to positively impact, you know, multiple generations in

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Speaker 1: the future. You went to Georgia to campaign with poor

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Speaker 1: Reverend Warnock for his fourth or fifth election within the

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Speaker 1: last two I mean, this man, no one should have

844
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Speaker 1: to run for Senate this many times. Tell me about

845
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: how important the South is to Democrats and what this

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Speaker 1: Senate seat means. Yeah, I mean the South. I think

847
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: it should be very important to Democrats. I mean, I

848
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: think we see this is a point of contention for

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks on the national scale and even

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Speaker 1: locally across the country. And I think it's easy for

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Speaker 1: people to see numbers and just completely discounted state. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I come from Florida, so I have a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you spoke with some one six, eight,

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, you know, and you said Georgia is

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Speaker 1: gonna flip before Florida, you know, people would probably say

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Speaker 1: you're crazy or something. And I think what that shows

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Speaker 1: is number one, you can't you shouldn't fully give up

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Speaker 1: on a state. I understand strategic spend ending. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying let's you know, we see a lot of these

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Speaker 1: races where people run against Republican boogee men, you know,

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Speaker 1: or you know, just like really bad Republicans in very

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Speaker 1: red districts, raise a ton of money and then it

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Speaker 1: ends up really going to waste, to be honest, most

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Speaker 1: of it. So I understand strategic spending, but I think

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Speaker 1: you can view trends and decide whether or not you

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Speaker 1: should add more resources versus take resources away. And I

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Speaker 1: think the South shows a lot of promise. Florida does,

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Speaker 1: even though we had this kind of anomaly this past

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Speaker 1: election cycle, it was always within a percentage point all

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Speaker 1: of our races. When we look at Georgia, it's a

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Speaker 1: great model for what can be done in these states.

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Speaker 1: Right Georgia, I wouldn't to consider Georgia blue state right now,

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Speaker 1: but it really is a battle around state where we

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Speaker 1: have both Senate seats, and I think that is promising.

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Speaker 1: So people shouldn't give up on the South. If Democrats

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Speaker 1: are able to take the South, we never lose the presidency.

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Speaker 1: And I know that's like you know, people, I think

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Speaker 1: of it as a big risk for a high reward,

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Speaker 1: and I guess it is, but I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's that risky to invest in people, especially people

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Speaker 1: in the South, right, And it's never risky to invest

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Speaker 1: in people. One last question, you're adopted. Yes, you are

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Speaker 1: from so many different cultures, right, and you have parents

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Speaker 1: from different cultures, you know, like, how does that inform

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Speaker 1: your world view? Yeah, in a couple of different ways.

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Speaker 1: I mean I dealt with kind of problems of identity

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Speaker 1: for a portion of my life. I was raised Cuban

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Speaker 1: and going to Miami almost every weekend, and Spanish was

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Speaker 1: my first language, and so it was just kind of

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Speaker 1: coming to terms of who I was. You know, my

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Speaker 1: mom is Cuban. My dad is like white American, but

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Speaker 1: he was raised in like Bermuda, and so he played

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Speaker 1: steel pan for a living and he's a musician, right,

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Speaker 1: like he's Cornali. He's one of my fun facts. My

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Speaker 1: dad actually played with Tiny Tim and so if you

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Speaker 1: know who Tiny Tim is, Cass he's impressed. This is

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Speaker 1: where you get your good taste from. Yeah, no, A

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Speaker 1: hundred percent, A hundred percent. I mean I grew up

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Speaker 1: listening to music. I grew up listening to the Beach

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Speaker 1: Boys and Stevie Wonder and Carol King and you know,

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Speaker 1: all the jazz artists that he introduced me to. So

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Speaker 1: either way, there's always been a lot going on in

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Speaker 1: my life. So whether it was you know, struggling to

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Speaker 1: come to terms with my blackness, whether it was really

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Speaker 1: you know, thinking about more recently like my biological family

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Speaker 1: and what they went through and how does that connect

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Speaker 1: to my work, It's really part of who I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm really so great to have you on. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll come back. Yeah, of course, thank you for having

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Speaker 1: me on. Jessie Cannon. You know you're not having a

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Speaker 1: good day when you see your face splashed across every

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Speaker 1: single news site with the caption I know it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean much to say that I'm sorry, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: dedicating as much of myself as i can to doing

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Speaker 1: right by customers. So we are talking about Forbes has

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Speaker 1: obtained a draft of Sam Bankman Freed's testimony AK Sam

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Speaker 1: Bank Run fraud, Yes SBF the Internet huckster crypto criminal.

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Speaker 1: He has a statement here of self pity being stuff

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Speaker 1: that he was not allowed to deliver to Congress because

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Speaker 1: he was arrested in his home in the Bahamas before

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Speaker 1: he could testify. People in the conspiracy industrial complex have

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Speaker 1: already decided that he was arrested before he could give testimony.

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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the truth. This man has talked

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Speaker 1: so much. There's so much incriminating stuff out there that

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's going to have any trouble with this.

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Speaker 1: And there's already been lots of criminal charges filed and

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Speaker 1: he is probably going to go jail for a long

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Speaker 1: long time. Musk said he's going to be safe because

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Speaker 1: he gave a lot of political donations to both Democrats

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Speaker 1: and Republicans and it turned turns out, Um, he's very sorry,

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Speaker 1: but also he feels that it's not really fair. So

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Speaker 1: for today's moment of fuckery, it's the guy with the

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Speaker 1: messy hair who stole but jillions and zillions and trillions.

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Speaker 1: He stole what Tesla Stock used to be worth. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday to your the best minds in politics

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Speaker 1: makes sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what

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Speaker 1: you've heard, please send it to a friend and keep

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Speaker 1: the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.