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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this

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Speaker 2: edition we have Chris Williamson with us. He is the

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Speaker 2: host of the very excellent Modern Wisdom podcast, which you

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Speaker 2: can get wherever you get your podcast, Spotify, et cetera. Chris,

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Speaker 2: first time of the program, Sir, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Sexton. How are we?

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, pretty good man, pretty good. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to give you just the floor for a minute here

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Speaker 2: to tell everybody. Generally, we have people, so a lot

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Speaker 2: and Buck audience who subscribe to our podcast and they

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Speaker 2: hear this and they usually know our folks from radio

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Speaker 2: world or conservative media world more broadly. But you're a

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Speaker 2: You're just like a real deal podcast or a guy.

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Speaker 2: You're a jack of many trades. You're a guy who

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Speaker 2: crosses all boundaries and back rounds in terms of the

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Speaker 2: is Chris Williams. Where'd this guy come from? With the

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Speaker 2: cool accent.

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Speaker 1: So born in the northeast of the UK, spent fifteen

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Speaker 1: years running one of the biggest events companies in the UK.

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Speaker 1: One thousand Club Nights stood on the front door of

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Speaker 1: Cold Northeast Evenings. I met about a million people, did

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Speaker 1: a bunch of reality TV, got a blue tick on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and free charcoal, toothpaste and all of the big wins,

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Speaker 1: and then kind of got toward the end of my

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Speaker 1: twenties and thought, is this really all that I've got

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Speaker 1: to offer the world? Started a podcast, really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Podcast kicked off, did very very well, and a year

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Speaker 1: and a bit ago I made the choice to become

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Speaker 1: an immigrant to your great nation. Survived my first July fourth,

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Speaker 1: very difficult day for me, and I've done two Thanksgivings

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. I was going to say, the first step

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Speaker 2: to a wonderful red state in America. But I believe

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Speaker 2: you already inhabit one in Texas. Right on that way.

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Speaker 2: a big way. Maybe we'll get to that a little

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Speaker 2: bit later. Let's start with this. You do a podcast

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Speaker 2: important things in their discipline, their area. Well, what's just

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Speaker 2: when someone says to you, like, what do you get

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Speaker 2: I mean, I actually I think it's interesting. I know

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Speaker 2: All you have all kinds of folks. What do you learn?

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Speaker 1: So I've had about six hundred episodes now one hundred

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Speaker 2: To I believe. I believe that leftism is a pathway

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Speaker 1: I think social media has an awful lot to answer for.

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Speaker 1: You are comparing yourself with the greatest lives that you

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Speaker 2: do what do the experts, I mean, you sit down

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Speaker 2: with experts in fields like this, what do they think

434
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Speaker 2: can be done about this?

435
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Speaker 1: One of the problems is that it's a multivariate problem,

436
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Speaker 1: which means that there is no single silver bullets to

437
00:23:00,297 --> 00:23:02,657
Speaker 1: fix it. Some of the suggestions that I think that

438
00:23:02,657 --> 00:23:06,017
Speaker 1: would be fruitful would be encouraging in person dating. Again,

439
00:23:06,297 --> 00:23:09,497
Speaker 1: so since the advent of me too, which was a

440
00:23:09,777 --> 00:23:13,297
Speaker 1: much needed pushback against men that were using their positions

441
00:23:13,337 --> 00:23:15,897
Speaker 1: of power to manipulate women into sex, which is not

442
00:23:15,977 --> 00:23:18,737
Speaker 1: something that anybody, man or woman should want. However, it

443
00:23:19,177 --> 00:23:22,257
Speaker 1: can overcorrect and take it to the situation where women

444
00:23:22,297 --> 00:23:24,017
Speaker 1: are terrified to be approached by men and men are

445
00:23:24,057 --> 00:23:26,977
Speaker 1: terrified to do the approaching, which means that you've seen

446
00:23:26,977 --> 00:23:30,657
Speaker 1: these jim TikTok videos of guys that will go over

447
00:23:30,697 --> 00:23:34,537
Speaker 1: and ask if the girl needs help unloading her blue bridge, deadlift,

448
00:23:34,577 --> 00:23:37,497
Speaker 1: workout or whatever, and then now on TikTok to a

449
00:23:37,497 --> 00:23:40,537
Speaker 1: few million people being called a creep. That sets a

450
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Speaker 1: very worrying precedent because eighty six percent of women say

451
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Speaker 1: that they want a man to make the first move,

452
00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:47,417
Speaker 1: but eighty percent of men say that they will not

453
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Speaker 1: approach a woman for fear of being seen as creepy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, to tell people, you know my dad, I

455
00:23:53,217 --> 00:23:56,937
Speaker 2: will tell you he was always he was always. You know,

456
00:23:57,017 --> 00:23:59,337
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta, you gotta ask, you know, you

457
00:23:59,417 --> 00:24:02,177
Speaker 2: gotta ask for for the number, you've gotta get it.

458
00:24:02,217 --> 00:24:04,257
Speaker 2: And if you get rejected, it's fine. You just take

459
00:24:04,257 --> 00:24:05,937
Speaker 2: it like a man. You say, well, it's nice to

460
00:24:05,977 --> 00:24:08,577
Speaker 2: you know. And this was sort of part of manhood

461
00:24:08,617 --> 00:24:09,977
Speaker 2: training for I think a lot of people, not to

462
00:24:10,217 --> 00:24:13,337
Speaker 2: me or for whatever that's worth. But now I mean

463
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Speaker 2: I think that. I mean you mentioned those videos. There's

464
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Speaker 2: one video where some woman a guy looks in or

465
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Speaker 2: and this one went super viral. You saw this, I'm

466
00:24:20,497 --> 00:24:24,337
Speaker 2: sure too, looked in her general direction and she like

467
00:24:24,537 --> 00:24:26,337
Speaker 2: starts in with him like what are you looking at?

468
00:24:26,417 --> 00:24:27,777
Speaker 2: And he's like, I work here, Like what are you

469
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Speaker 2: even talking about? And I work in a gym, I

470
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Speaker 2: mean work, yeah, right, I occasionally go to I have

471
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Speaker 2: time the elliptical machines in a gym near me, but

472
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Speaker 2: it is in Miami. There are women who have set Oh,

473
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Speaker 2: first of all, they're basically wearing lingerie and second of

474
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Speaker 2: a which is fine, but I mean, you know, you

475
00:24:44,177 --> 00:24:47,057
Speaker 2: are wearing very very very little to work out. I

476
00:24:47,057 --> 00:24:50,017
Speaker 2: mean there are levels here, but they're setting up cameras

477
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Speaker 2: in the lingerie in the public gym to videotape themselves

478
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Speaker 2: working out. I'm sure you've seen this too.

479
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Speaker 1: The tripod squad.

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Speaker 2: Yep. We oh wow, there's a term for it. I

481
00:24:59,537 --> 00:25:01,657
Speaker 2: don't even know there's a there's a term for everything.

482
00:25:01,657 --> 00:25:06,017
Speaker 1: There's a meme for everything. But yeah, I'm very I

483
00:25:06,017 --> 00:25:09,377
Speaker 1: think that that trend is very quickly being reversed. I

484
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Speaker 1: think that and understand that everybody pushed back against those videos, right,

485
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Speaker 1: Everyone has pushed back against them because it was seen

486
00:25:16,377 --> 00:25:19,217
Speaker 1: as ridiculous. But yeah, man, eighty six percent of women

487
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Speaker 1: said they want a man to make the first move

488
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Speaker 1: in eighty percent of men say they're terrified of approaching

489
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Speaker 1: a woman for being seen as creepy. In a world

490
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Speaker 1: where one in three men hasn't had sex in the

491
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Speaker 1: last year aged eighteen to thirty, that tripled from eight

492
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Speaker 1: to twenty eight percent from two thousand and eight to

493
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. In a world with that, we need to

494
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Speaker 1: be doing things to foster more of these kind of relationships.

495
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Speaker 1: And I know that you were going to talk about masculinity.

496
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Speaker 1: One very probably the most shocking stat that I've learned

497
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Speaker 1: over the last year is that fifty percent of men

498
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Speaker 1: said that they are not looking for casual or long

499
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Speaker 1: term relationships aged eighteen to thirty sixty one percent in

500
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, it's down fifty percent. Now, both you and

501
00:25:57,097 --> 00:25:59,617
Speaker 1: me have been through the ages of eighteen to thirty

502
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Speaker 1: and understand the reality bending torment of the male sex

503
00:26:03,577 --> 00:26:06,417
Speaker 1: drive during those ages. If you can imagine that one

504
00:26:06,457 --> 00:26:08,857
Speaker 1: in two men is saying they are not looking for

505
00:26:08,977 --> 00:26:13,537
Speaker 1: either casual relationationships or long term relationships. That's very worrying.

506
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Speaker 2: How much of a of a role you know that

507
00:26:16,857 --> 00:26:20,457
Speaker 2: there's these there's these groups that have gonna say groups,

508
00:26:20,457 --> 00:26:22,977
Speaker 2: you know, these ideas, memes, you know whatever. You know,

509
00:26:23,017 --> 00:26:26,097
Speaker 2: you'll hear this. But I think actually in the UK,

510
00:26:26,257 --> 00:26:28,377
Speaker 2: wasn't there wasn't there per where there was a whole

511
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Speaker 2: like no wanking was a thing. These groups say no fat,

512
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Speaker 2: thank you, sorry, sorry close, I was close, No fat exactly.

513
00:26:35,577 --> 00:26:36,897
Speaker 2: This is a real thing for people to think that

514
00:26:36,937 --> 00:26:40,537
Speaker 2: I'm being crazy, and but I've seen others who are

515
00:26:40,537 --> 00:26:42,737
Speaker 2: making this and it always ties in really to I mean,

516
00:26:42,737 --> 00:26:47,177
Speaker 2: that's a little more specific, but the proliferation of pornography.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, ever, everyone always talking about this. You know technology. Obviously,

518
00:26:51,377 --> 00:26:53,577
Speaker 2: technology comes with great things, there's downsides. We're of all

519
00:26:53,617 --> 00:26:55,777
Speaker 2: figuring this out. Hopefully Chris and I aren't both gonna

520
00:26:56,177 --> 00:26:58,657
Speaker 2: end up being replaced by AI machines in the next

521
00:26:58,657 --> 00:27:03,257
Speaker 2: few years. But it seems to me that the proliferation

522
00:27:03,457 --> 00:27:09,617
Speaker 2: of pornography online is something that humanity wasn't really prepared for,

523
00:27:09,657 --> 00:27:13,257
Speaker 2: and it's just starting to figure out how bad it

524
00:27:13,377 --> 00:27:15,497
Speaker 2: is for these Like I mean I tell people is

525
00:27:15,577 --> 00:27:18,817
Speaker 2: like I made a gosh going on like fifteen years ago.

526
00:27:18,857 --> 00:27:21,257
Speaker 2: I was just like, noborn done. I don't want to

527
00:27:21,297 --> 00:27:22,657
Speaker 2: see it. I don't want to look at it. I

528
00:27:22,657 --> 00:27:26,657
Speaker 2: don't you know, And I found it was both freeing

529
00:27:26,817 --> 00:27:29,137
Speaker 2: and helpful as a guide just be like I just

530
00:27:29,217 --> 00:27:29,977
Speaker 2: don't do that.

531
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Speaker 1: There are a few supernormal stimuli in the modern world,

532
00:27:34,057 --> 00:27:36,977
Speaker 1: so French fries would be one of them. The saltiness,

533
00:27:37,017 --> 00:27:40,577
Speaker 1: the crunchiness, the fluffiness is a food that we would

534
00:27:40,657 --> 00:27:43,097
Speaker 1: have not been evolved to being able to deal with.

535
00:27:43,257 --> 00:27:45,937
Speaker 1: And you were able to see now within twenty minutes

536
00:27:46,097 --> 00:27:48,617
Speaker 1: on a single iPhone more women than you would be

537
00:27:48,657 --> 00:27:51,657
Speaker 1: exposed to in your entire life ancessrally, So it is

538
00:27:51,777 --> 00:27:56,497
Speaker 1: absolutely something that's a supernormal stimuli. One slight white pill

539
00:27:56,777 --> 00:28:01,097
Speaker 1: that should push back against too much concern is that

540
00:28:01,137 --> 00:28:03,537
Speaker 1: the story you tell yourself around your porn news seems

541
00:28:03,577 --> 00:28:07,297
Speaker 1: to be very, very instrumental in how it affects you.

542
00:28:07,697 --> 00:28:10,857
Speaker 1: That porn is not quite neutral, porn use is not

543
00:28:10,897 --> 00:28:15,097
Speaker 1: quite neutral. But if you have a relatively healthy relationship

544
00:28:15,257 --> 00:28:17,457
Speaker 1: with it, and if you do have a partner, if

545
00:28:17,457 --> 00:28:19,697
Speaker 1: you're not hiding your use from your partner, and if

546
00:28:19,697 --> 00:28:22,977
Speaker 1: you don't feel ashamed after you use it, that is

547
00:28:23,297 --> 00:28:25,537
Speaker 1: a pretty good market. Those people seem to be able

548
00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:27,737
Speaker 1: to kind of continue to move through life. Now, one

549
00:28:27,737 --> 00:28:28,497
Speaker 1: of the problems.

550
00:28:28,217 --> 00:28:34,097
Speaker 2: You're using it on an instruction basis, perhaps DIY feel

551
00:28:34,177 --> 00:28:34,457
Speaker 2: to it.

552
00:28:34,537 --> 00:28:37,577
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems that way, yes, but as you said,

553
00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:42,297
Speaker 1: you almost anybody that realizes that they don't like what

554
00:28:42,417 --> 00:28:45,137
Speaker 1: porn does in the world is probably not going to

555
00:28:45,137 --> 00:28:47,457
Speaker 1: feel particularly good if they use it themselves. Now, the

556
00:28:47,497 --> 00:28:49,497
Speaker 1: problem comes if you have someone like that who doesn't

557
00:28:49,497 --> 00:28:52,497
Speaker 1: do what you did and recount use of porn and say,

558
00:28:52,497 --> 00:28:54,577
Speaker 1: I'm not going to bother using this anymore. If you

559
00:28:54,617 --> 00:28:57,297
Speaker 1: have someone who doesn't like it but continues to use it,

560
00:28:57,897 --> 00:29:02,177
Speaker 1: that is a recipe for bad relationships, for reduced sex drive.

561
00:29:02,457 --> 00:29:05,617
Speaker 1: It seems to have a downstream a pretty big host

562
00:29:05,617 --> 00:29:08,057
Speaker 1: of stuff. Couple that with social media and video games,

563
00:29:08,137 --> 00:29:11,537
Speaker 1: and you have muted a lot of men's goal seeking

564
00:29:11,577 --> 00:29:13,257
Speaker 1: and reproductive chasing behavior.

565
00:29:14,537 --> 00:29:18,297
Speaker 2: I want to ask about how society is also suppressing

566
00:29:19,057 --> 00:29:21,737
Speaker 2: what I would argue are masculine virtues and what you've

567
00:29:21,737 --> 00:29:24,857
Speaker 2: come across from your conversations, both your own research and

568
00:29:24,857 --> 00:29:26,617
Speaker 2: conversations with experts about that. We'll get to that in

569
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Speaker 2: just a second, but it makes all kinds of sense

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Speaker 2: So I'm speaking to Chris Williamson here life genius. This

596
00:30:41,777 --> 00:30:44,017
Speaker 2: guy knows all kinds of things about how to lead

597
00:30:44,577 --> 00:30:47,697
Speaker 2: a life rooted in modern wisdom. Also the name of

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Speaker 2: his of his podcast, and that's where I can also

599
00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:56,137
Speaker 2: now take the conversation two. It feels like what would

600
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Speaker 2: have been described as a we how old are you?

601
00:30:58,657 --> 00:31:00,097
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't even know how old you are?

602
00:31:00,657 --> 00:31:01,217
Speaker 1: Thirty five?

603
00:31:01,577 --> 00:31:03,697
Speaker 2: Thirty five? All right, so we're I mean, I'm forty one,

604
00:31:03,777 --> 00:31:05,697
Speaker 2: so I'm a little bit, you know, just wait to

605
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:07,617
Speaker 2: get to be my age. Your shoulders start to hurt

606
00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:10,937
Speaker 2: for no reason. Your knees already book. You probably do

607
00:31:10,937 --> 00:31:12,977
Speaker 2: a lot of yoga and stuff though here anyway, But

608
00:31:12,977 --> 00:31:16,057
Speaker 2: you got like five or six years. But what what

609
00:31:16,057 --> 00:31:20,937
Speaker 2: what we grew up with as the masculine virtues. It

610
00:31:21,017 --> 00:31:24,857
Speaker 2: seems increasingly there really, there really is a broad societal

611
00:31:24,857 --> 00:31:28,057
Speaker 2: effort to make that stuff. I mean, toxic masculinity is

612
00:31:28,097 --> 00:31:31,497
Speaker 2: the obvious phrase that's used, but to suppress it. And

613
00:31:31,537 --> 00:31:33,417
Speaker 2: starting also at a very young age, you know, for

614
00:31:33,497 --> 00:31:35,577
Speaker 2: young men, you know they're uh, you know, I mean

615
00:31:35,617 --> 00:31:39,617
Speaker 2: your boys, even they're a rambunctiousness there the things that

616
00:31:39,617 --> 00:31:41,457
Speaker 2: we would associate with boys will be boys and they

617
00:31:41,457 --> 00:31:43,017
Speaker 2: get older and this is what a man should be.

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00:31:43,617 --> 00:31:45,297
Speaker 2: Feels like society is trying to turn all that on

619
00:31:45,377 --> 00:31:47,097
Speaker 2: its head. How much of that is real? And how

620
00:31:47,137 --> 00:31:48,537
Speaker 2: bad is it if it is real?

621
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Speaker 1: I think that there are some real concerns to do

622
00:31:52,457 --> 00:31:54,977
Speaker 1: with how society sees boys in masculinity. At the moment

623
00:31:55,177 --> 00:31:58,777
Speaker 1: you spoke about toxic masculinity. I actually found recently, for

624
00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,577
Speaker 1: a debate that I did out in Qatar, a bunch

625
00:32:00,577 --> 00:32:05,537
Speaker 1: of different headlines that were accused of being toxic masculinity

626
00:32:05,537 --> 00:32:09,337
Speaker 1: that come through in the mainstream media recently, Brexit toxic masculinity,

627
00:32:09,337 --> 00:32:12,257
Speaker 1: the election of Donald Trump, not wearing a mask, eating meat,

628
00:32:12,657 --> 00:32:17,137
Speaker 1: physical fitness toxic masculinity, hip hop, smelling of axe body

629
00:32:17,177 --> 00:32:20,337
Speaker 1: spray was toxic masculinity being interested.

630
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Speaker 2: To be fair, I don't, I'm not a fan, keep going.

631
00:32:26,537 --> 00:32:29,177
Speaker 1: Pretty oppressive, playing board games, being interested in cars and

632
00:32:29,217 --> 00:32:31,897
Speaker 1: saying hello or have a nice day. So there are

633
00:32:33,817 --> 00:32:38,417
Speaker 1: what used to be simply unpleasant or perhaps slightly distasteful

634
00:32:38,457 --> 00:32:41,297
Speaker 1: behavior by men has now become pathologized. And if you

635
00:32:41,377 --> 00:32:45,057
Speaker 1: want to guarantee men not engaging in a conversation, you

636
00:32:45,097 --> 00:32:47,857
Speaker 1: want to pathologize them. You want to basically make it

637
00:32:47,897 --> 00:32:49,777
Speaker 1: out that there is something inside of them that needs

638
00:32:49,817 --> 00:32:53,177
Speaker 1: to be exhumed or exercised. Right like original sin, you

639
00:32:53,217 --> 00:32:56,217
Speaker 1: are broken. You are Ultimately it is your fault. And

640
00:32:56,257 --> 00:32:59,057
Speaker 1: when we come to parts of masculinity that we probably

641
00:32:59,057 --> 00:33:03,577
Speaker 1: should keep a hold of. The twenty twelve shooting in Aurora, Colorado,

642
00:33:03,977 --> 00:33:07,577
Speaker 1: the Dark Knight movie premiere. So the shooter is a

643
00:33:07,617 --> 00:33:10,457
Speaker 1: twenty four year old male and in the midst of

644
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Speaker 1: the onslaught there's three men twenty four, twenty six, and

645
00:33:14,497 --> 00:33:17,897
Speaker 1: twenty seven who threw themselves on top of their girlfriends

646
00:33:17,897 --> 00:33:20,857
Speaker 1: as these bullets are shot into the crowd. All three

647
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Speaker 1: men died, all three women survived. That is precisely the

648
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Speaker 1: kind of masculinity that will be gotten rid of if

649
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Speaker 1: you want to throw baby, bathwater, and bath out altogether.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And it seems that unfortunately this is also playing

651
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Speaker 2: out of me and I just had I had a

652
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Speaker 2: lot of people with military and special operations backgrounds on

653
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Speaker 2: both radio for many many years now, and then even

654
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Speaker 2: on the podcast, we had a Kiowa female Kiowa combat

655
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Speaker 2: pilot multiple tours overseas, you know, flying one of those

656
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Speaker 2: helicopters that's got rocket pods on it and machine guns

657
00:33:58,377 --> 00:34:00,137
Speaker 2: and was doing all the stuff that one does in

658
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Speaker 2: a combat zone. And she said that the military is

659
00:34:03,137 --> 00:34:07,417
Speaker 2: now being toyed with, and there's a social engineering that's

660
00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:10,977
Speaker 2: going on that's meant to undermine the base ethos of

661
00:34:11,577 --> 00:34:14,297
Speaker 2: people that have to be willing to put their lives online,

662
00:34:14,417 --> 00:34:17,177
Speaker 2: not necessarily in the same context as what you just mentioned,

663
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Speaker 2: but for their country as well as you know, for

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Speaker 2: their their comrades and arms. So I do think something's

665
00:34:23,297 --> 00:34:27,017
Speaker 2: going on there all. But but switching gears for a second,

666
00:34:27,577 --> 00:34:29,417
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things, I mean, I came

667
00:34:29,457 --> 00:34:31,977
Speaker 2: across your work. I've seen it on on the TikTok

668
00:34:32,057 --> 00:34:35,257
Speaker 2: and some other places, and there are moments I think

669
00:34:35,257 --> 00:34:40,497
Speaker 2: there are distill there are distilled moments of insight from

670
00:34:40,737 --> 00:34:43,817
Speaker 2: from the work that you're doing that are particularly pointing

671
00:34:43,857 --> 00:34:46,697
Speaker 2: in that very memorable for people. What's something though, that

672
00:34:46,737 --> 00:34:51,497
Speaker 2: you've come away from one of your conversations that you

673
00:34:51,577 --> 00:34:55,857
Speaker 2: say to yourself is a difficult truth that people need

674
00:34:55,857 --> 00:34:59,337
Speaker 2: to hear that you just you know, you want to

675
00:34:59,377 --> 00:35:01,097
Speaker 2: spread the word about it, but you know people don't.

676
00:35:01,337 --> 00:35:03,977
Speaker 2: What is a difficult truth that people think? I want

677
00:35:03,977 --> 00:35:05,777
Speaker 2: to find a way around that I want to argue

678
00:35:05,817 --> 00:35:07,417
Speaker 2: with Chris on that you're like, no, this is the

679
00:35:07,457 --> 00:35:07,897
Speaker 2: way it is.

680
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Speaker 1: So two what would come to mind. One is that

681
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Speaker 1: regrets are inevitable in life, that they're not a bug

682
00:35:15,857 --> 00:35:17,937
Speaker 1: of life, They're a feature. You are going to have

683
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Speaker 1: regrets in life. And when it comes to choosing between

684
00:35:21,217 --> 00:35:24,897
Speaker 1: different things, a much smarter question to ask yourself would

685
00:35:24,937 --> 00:35:27,497
Speaker 1: be which regret can I live with? As opposed to

686
00:35:27,577 --> 00:35:30,577
Speaker 1: which thing do I want to do? Because what you

687
00:35:30,657 --> 00:35:33,617
Speaker 1: realize is over time you're going to accumulate regrets and

688
00:35:33,697 --> 00:35:35,737
Speaker 1: those are the things that are going to hurt a lot.

689
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Speaker 1: So if you do end up being faced with a

690
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Speaker 1: difficult challenge, one that is risky but is going to

691
00:35:41,257 --> 00:35:43,257
Speaker 1: be fulfilling and will close a loop and will mean

692
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Speaker 1: that for the rest of your life you don't ever

693
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Speaker 1: have to wonder about whether or not you could have

694
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Speaker 1: what should have done that thing. That's something that's very good.

695
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Speaker 1: The other thing, and this is a good question that

696
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Speaker 1: I love to ask friends at dinner parties, is what

697
00:35:53,897 --> 00:35:56,617
Speaker 1: is currently being ignored by the media, but in future

698
00:35:56,657 --> 00:35:59,937
Speaker 1: will be studied by historians. And it's my belief that

699
00:36:00,097 --> 00:36:03,017
Speaker 1: the birth rate decline at the moment is something which

700
00:36:03,297 --> 00:36:06,897
Speaker 1: nobody is paying attention to. Climate change is the current

701
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Speaker 1: existential crisis that is given an awful lot of focus,

702
00:36:10,897 --> 00:36:14,137
Speaker 1: and in thirty or forty years, you are going to

703
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Speaker 1: have huge, huge cities all around the world with no

704
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Speaker 1: one in them.

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Speaker 2: Let's come back and dive into that in one second.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the declining birth rate globally, because my friends,

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Speaker 2: I've had them for years and I'm now starting to

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Speaker 2: use them again now that I'm actually clean shaven, which

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Speaker 2: I had to get approval from the wife. Chris. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Actually funny story. We had a woman named Phyllis who

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Speaker 2: wrote into the radio show and she went on this

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Speaker 2: like little tirade about how I was much handsomer before

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Speaker 2: I had a beard, and I just everyone started laughing

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Speaker 2: at me on the crew and the radio show and

741
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Speaker 2: everything else. I was like, you know what, if the

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Speaker 2: wife says it, I'm We're gonna give Phyllis what she wants.

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Speaker 2: So now I'm a clean shaven man and some.

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Speaker 1: Your wife has veto power over your facial hah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she has veta power of it, because come on,

746
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Speaker 2: I mean, who else is really you know what I

747
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Speaker 2: means is at four? Yeah? Yeah, exactly. It's like it's

748
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Speaker 2: all really matters, all right. So we were talking about

749
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Speaker 2: declining birth rates and I remember, I'm sure you've read it.

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Speaker 2: There was the Mark Stein book America Alone, I think

751
00:38:27,057 --> 00:38:30,417
Speaker 2: it was maybe came out fifteen years ago, and just

752
00:38:30,497 --> 00:38:33,617
Speaker 2: crunching the numbers, and it was basically, the West is

753
00:38:33,737 --> 00:38:36,577
Speaker 2: done over a long enough time frame, just based on

754
00:38:36,617 --> 00:38:40,977
Speaker 2: the declining birth rate except America, but now America is

755
00:38:40,977 --> 00:38:43,097
Speaker 2: actually heading the lawn trajectory too. Tell me what's going

756
00:38:43,137 --> 00:38:45,137
Speaker 2: on here with declining birth rates. We can start globally,

757
00:38:45,177 --> 00:38:47,377
Speaker 2: think would bring it home to the US.

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Speaker 1: Of a So seventy percent of people around the world

759
00:38:51,337 --> 00:38:53,017
Speaker 1: to live in a country which is below the birthrate

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Speaker 1: tipping point, which is two point one children per woman.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether this is a something to be

762
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Speaker 1: happy about or not, but the worst places in the

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Speaker 1: world are currently in the East. So Korea. South Korea's

764
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Speaker 1: birthrate is not zero point eight point eight, which is

765
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Speaker 1: absolutely insane. Japan arod just over one one point two.

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Speaker 1: So let's say Japan's got aboute hundred and twenty million

767
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Speaker 1: people in it or so by twenty fifty that's going

768
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Speaker 1: to be sixty million, China one point two billion by

769
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Speaker 1: twenty fifty six hundred and fifty million. So it is

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Speaker 1: a precipitous decline, very very aggressive. When you get across

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Speaker 1: to the US, I think it's in the high ones

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Speaker 1: one point seven ish one point six, one point seven

773
00:39:36,257 --> 00:39:40,977
Speaker 1: one point eight. Not great. Now you can fix this

774
00:39:41,057 --> 00:39:47,537
Speaker 1: problem to a degree with immigration, but not massively because

775
00:39:47,617 --> 00:39:50,377
Speaker 1: even South American countries are having declining birth rates. So overall,

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Speaker 1: you can move bits of the pie around on the

777
00:39:52,497 --> 00:39:54,977
Speaker 1: world as much as you want, but the pie is

778
00:39:55,137 --> 00:39:59,217
Speaker 1: still continuing to get smaller. And it is very, very concerning.

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00:39:59,417 --> 00:40:02,697
Speaker 2: Why aren't people having more babies in developed countries? And

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously we know in the third world that's

781
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Speaker 2: very different.

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Speaker 1: In the third world, they're declining as well, by one

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Speaker 1: child per every fifteen years. So let's say you go

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Speaker 1: to Ghana, you go to Chad somewhere like that, eight

785
00:40:14,097 --> 00:40:15,857
Speaker 1: and it's seven, then it's six, then it's five each

786
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Speaker 1: fifteen years. It's going down. It seems like as soon

787
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Speaker 1: as you industrialize country and you educate the women and

788
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Speaker 1: give them the opportunity to do other things, those other

789
00:40:26,537 --> 00:40:29,857
Speaker 1: life paths begin to compete with family life. And it's

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Speaker 1: not the interesting stat The most interesting stat around this

791
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Speaker 1: is the average number of children per mother hasn't changed.

792
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Speaker 1: It's the number of motherless women or childless women that

793
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Speaker 1: has increased. So if you have your first, it's likely

794
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Speaker 1: that you will go on to have a second, and

795
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Speaker 1: a third and so on and so forth. The large

796
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Speaker 1: difference is in the number of women who never starts

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Speaker 1: to have the first go ahead, go ahead, just that

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Speaker 1: that's that is the highest point of leverage. And it

799
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Speaker 1: seems that the most common reason, as we said before,

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Speaker 1: eight out of ten women broke through that fertility window

801
00:41:04,177 --> 00:41:06,377
Speaker 1: didn't intend to not have children. Most common reason is

802
00:41:06,737 --> 00:41:09,817
Speaker 1: life circumstance. Didn't find a partner within time because that

803
00:41:09,857 --> 00:41:14,777
Speaker 1: for windows been squeezed by a combination of education, employment,

804
00:41:14,897 --> 00:41:17,057
Speaker 1: and you could say, raising living costs, all that stuff

805
00:41:17,097 --> 00:41:18,617
Speaker 1: you know, might be getting in the way people feel

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Speaker 1: like they need a two income household. Absolutely potential, but.

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Speaker 2: O good. What do the numbers tell us about female

808
00:41:29,257 --> 00:41:33,777
Speaker 2: life satisfaction when it comes to pursuing family as the

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Speaker 2: first priority versus a career.

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Speaker 1: The current longest study of happiness is the Harvard Study

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Speaker 1: of Adult Development. It's been going for decades and decades

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Speaker 1: and decades, and they've studied the same people, and then

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Speaker 1: they've studied the children of these people. The strongest predictor

814
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Speaker 1: of your health outcomes in life, of your happiness, of

815
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:59,657
Speaker 1: your resilience are your number of family, friend, and romantic partners.

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Speaker 1: That's it. It's relationships all the way down. Friends, family,

817
00:42:04,097 --> 00:42:08,257
Speaker 1: and romantic partner. That's what is the best predictor for everything,

818
00:42:08,337 --> 00:42:10,017
Speaker 1: every health outcome that you care to care about.

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Speaker 2: So that actually pivots us nicely into what I wanted

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Speaker 2: to ask you about as well, because I know that

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Speaker 2: one of the things you've done on Modern Wisdom podcasts

822
00:42:19,897 --> 00:42:23,617
Speaker 2: for everyone to check out is you've sat down with

823
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Speaker 2: a lot of people who are super high achievers and

824
00:42:25,337 --> 00:42:27,617
Speaker 2: also people who study super high achievers. And I listened

825
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Speaker 2: to your episode with David Senra Is that right? Isn't

826
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Speaker 2: my Getting his Name Right? Podcast? Yeah, founder's podcast I've

827
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Speaker 2: listened to, and I listened to you talk to him,

828
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Speaker 2: and then I listened to a number of Cenra's episodes.

829
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Speaker 2: I love the Enzo Ferrari and Yeah, but one thing,

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Speaker 2: and I know you've touched on this, and I just

831
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Speaker 2: wanted your your take, and I know you've discussed this

832
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Speaker 2: in on other forums, But because I think about this

833
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Speaker 2: all the time, and I think about this in the

834
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Speaker 2: people that I see around me. I mean, growing up

835
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Speaker 2: in New York City, I certainly saw and was around

836
00:42:56,337 --> 00:43:01,297
Speaker 2: people who were at that level of success where they

837
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Speaker 2: are famous, rich and powerful beyond the wildest dreams of

838
00:43:04,657 --> 00:43:06,457
Speaker 2: you know, ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of

839
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Speaker 2: the population, and some of them were deeply miserable with

840
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Speaker 2: her fit personal lives. And I was close enough to it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would sometimes be in the you know,

842
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Speaker 2: I was like friends with the kids or the grandkids,

843
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Speaker 2: right Like I would be in the house with and

844
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Speaker 2: I'd say, Okay, well you got you know, you got

845
00:43:22,497 --> 00:43:25,057
Speaker 2: fifteen billion or whatever, and you've got a lot of properties,

846
00:43:25,097 --> 00:43:27,897
Speaker 2: but you're also on wife number four. Your kids hate

847
00:43:27,937 --> 00:43:31,497
Speaker 2: your guts, and you know you and you look like

848
00:43:31,577 --> 00:43:34,177
Speaker 2: you could keel over at any moment. You're only in

849
00:43:34,217 --> 00:43:36,697
Speaker 2: like your sixties or fifties or whatever. You get the idea,

850
00:43:37,657 --> 00:43:43,577
Speaker 2: is extreme excellence worth the trade off for most people. No.

851
00:43:44,457 --> 00:43:46,977
Speaker 1: In short, no, I don't think so. I think that

852
00:43:47,617 --> 00:43:49,817
Speaker 1: if you were to see the inner texture of most

853
00:43:49,857 --> 00:43:52,897
Speaker 1: of the people that you admire as minds, you would

854
00:43:52,977 --> 00:43:56,497
Speaker 1: feel far more pity than envy for them. That the

855
00:43:56,577 --> 00:44:00,137
Speaker 1: price that most people pay to be absolute top peak

856
00:44:00,217 --> 00:44:06,577
Speaker 1: flight achievers, it's unbearable. It's an unbelievably high cost. And

857
00:44:06,617 --> 00:44:09,377
Speaker 1: there was this really interesting study where they looked at

858
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Speaker 1: the the most common qualities that elite achievers had the

859
00:44:14,857 --> 00:44:19,057
Speaker 1: most successful people. What they had three things superiority complex,

860
00:44:19,857 --> 00:44:25,017
Speaker 1: crippling insecurity, and impulse control. Superiority complex you believe that

861
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Speaker 1: you can do more than other people. Crippling insecurity it

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Speaker 1: drives you to prove people wrong. And impulse control you

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Speaker 1: can focus yourself and move yourself forward. So what does

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Speaker 1: it mean that the people who we admire the most,

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Speaker 1: that society says are the most successful are the ones

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Speaker 1: who have the least admirable internal states? Probably means that

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Speaker 1: you need to work out from first principles what you

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Speaker 1: care about in life, and you need to go after

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Speaker 1: that as opposed to doing what you think other people

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Speaker 1: do for success, because the people that are the most successful,

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Speaker 1: I think, on average, are more miserable than the normal person.

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Speaker 2: Does seem that what was it the Greeks had? The concept?

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Speaker 2: Was it Metron? Like balance in all things? Yeah? Am

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Speaker 2: I crazy on that one? I don't know. I might

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Speaker 2: have paid something up.

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Speaker 1: Metron sounds like a sci fi show, but I'm down

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Speaker 1: for it. If you say it's legit.

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Speaker 2: I might have totally mean I might have just yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: hold on a moderation and good measure pan Metron addistan?

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Speaker 2: Is that right? There? We go? Yeah? All right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I was like kind of I was like in

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Speaker 2: the I was in the realm of this is what

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Speaker 2: have you? A podcast? You just say stuff out loud

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Speaker 2: as it comes into your brain. Right. It was like

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Speaker 2: part of the phrase which is balance in all things

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Speaker 2: or you know, everything in moderation metron iris on everything

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Speaker 2: in moderation. Okay, there we go. Now, I'm it did

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Speaker 2: sound like.

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Speaker 3: I had like a you know, a laser cannon instead

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Speaker 3: of a hen and I was like, you know, doing

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Speaker 3: somersaults around and shooting wizard people or something, but you know,

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Speaker 3: the same basic idea.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, Chris, I really appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 2: I know you're super busy. Just I wanted to give

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Speaker 2: you this before you go. Everyone check out Modern Wizard podcast. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: as you can tell, I've listened to a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of episodes myself. That's why I want to have Chris

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Speaker 2: on and what is you know, we've talked about some

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Speaker 2: things that are a little little bit of of a bummer,

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Speaker 2: you could say, like the decline and possible collapse of

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Speaker 2: the human specie, the destruction of masculinity, a bunch of

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Speaker 2: things female mental health, Like there are some look when

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Speaker 2: you spend time thinking about things, it should be about

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Speaker 2: challenges and whereas you can fix it, which we've done

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Speaker 2: a little bit of. What is though the most if

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Speaker 2: you're just trying to tell people about something that you

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Speaker 2: have found from your work or from your reflection on

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Speaker 2: all things recently, that makes you hopeful.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody that's listening to this has spent time

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Speaker 1: imagining just how catastrophic some scenario could occur right laid

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Speaker 1: awake at night, worrying, neurotic thought loops, unable to sleep,

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Speaker 1: unable to relax. And yet every single person that is

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Speaker 1: sat here listening to us right now has got through

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Speaker 1: whatever challenge they faced. As far as I can see,

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Speaker 1: everybody is way, way, way more capable, infinitely more capable

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Speaker 1: of dealing whatever life can throw at them than their

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Speaker 1: mind predicts that they can be. And yet each time

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Speaker 1: that we face a challenge, we believe that we're not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to overcome it. You think we'll

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Speaker 1: hang in a second. I have a stack of undeniable

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Speaker 1: proof behind me, every single thing that I've come up against.

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Speaker 1: I'm here, I virtue of being here. I've got through it.

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Speaker 1: So I think that resilience is proved one day at

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Speaker 1: a time, and every single person that is sat here

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Speaker 1: listening to this has that resilience. They have a stack

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Speaker 1: of undeniable proof that they can get through whatever the

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Speaker 1: world faces and throws at them.

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Speaker 2: So there reason why everybody to read Shackleton Endurance, which

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Speaker 2: is my favorite book that has been for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Alfred, Oh my god, dude, phenomenal. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: a suggestion before I go.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: The Forgotten Highlander by Alistair Urkhart Gentlemen is kidnapped by

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Speaker 1: the Japanese in World War Two in Singapore, tortured for

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Speaker 1: five years, builds the bridge over the river Quai, gets

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Speaker 1: knocked off his feet by the bomb blast from Nagasaki,

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Speaker 1: survives it all and then stays silent for fifty years

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Speaker 1: because of the British government, and writes a memoir calling

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Speaker 1: the Japanese to account. The Forgotten Highlander. Alistair Urkhart amazing

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Speaker 1: by it.

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Speaker 2: As soon as we're done, Chris Williamson, man, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, and please come on. We have a radio

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Speaker 2: show that you should have. I mean, this is the podcast.

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Speaker 2: The radio show is about five hundred stations, so it's

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Speaker 2: technically the biggest radio show in the country. We would

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Speaker 2: love to have you on. So just let us know

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Speaker 2: a play in Buck. We'll get it going. Man, A

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Speaker 2: lot of interesting stuff I want. I want the conservative

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Speaker 2: audience to hear more of your I know a lot

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Speaker 2: of them listen to you, but you know I want

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Speaker 2: even more of them too. So thank you so much, man,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for making the time.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you, man.