WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Inspectah Deck Reflects On Wu-Tang's Legacy & Talks 'Dragon's Breath' RZA, Diddy + More 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:02.760 Every day up week ago. 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:04.920 Click your ass up the Breakfast Club. 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:06.080 You don't finished for y'all. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:11.040 Done morning everybody. It's d J Envy, just hilarious. Charlamagne 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:12.879 the God. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:13.960 special guest in the. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.799 Building, Inspected Deck on the set from Tank Inspected that 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:21.439 welcome back. You know, it's the first time Inspected Deck 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.840 has been on the show. You know, it's the first 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.080 time I actually met Inspected Deck. I met remember of 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.640 what expected that wow? And when I when I first 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.800 seen it on the street, I thought you all was coming. Look, 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.279 I'm like, you no, expect the Deck. It's I'm like, damn, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.199 this is the first time I ever met you. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.599 Brother. How you doing, brother, I'm good man, it's good 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.400 to be here. I'm glad y'all let me up in 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:39.880 the building. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.120 Of course, you got a new album called dragons Breath. Now, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.400 we were coming up in the nineteen hundreds. The Dragons 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:46.400 Breath was not a good thing. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.360 No, I wouldn't did not want that. But you know, 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:55.240 you know it's just it's d you know, spit hot fire. Yeah, 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.480 it's nothing. This is this is like a rap album, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.000 you know what I mean. It's not like trying to 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.000 be King Pinn or King of New York and nothing 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.280 like that. It's just more of inspected Deck. Been off 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.800 the scene for a while, I still think I got it, 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.080 still got a little something left in it. So I 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:10.840 had a bunch of songs. I said, I'm gonna put 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.560 these things together, make these projects and put them out 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.880 one bout one, two to the Deck fans stuff, you know, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.840 because I know it's a lot of new stuff going 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:18.440 on in hip hop. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:19.680 Can we go? I want to go back, if you 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:20.800 don't mind respect that. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:21.800 This is the first time here. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.280 Of course, legendary group Wu Tang, the first album. You 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.240 were on that album, the second most artist on that album. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:29.280 So let's start off. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:30.320 You've been from the Bronx. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.800 How a kid from the Bronx winds up in Staten 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:37.759 Island and then getting in this legendary group Bu Tang. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.440 Yeah, so your shout out to the BX. I don't 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.000 wrap the Bronx enough. Bronx is like, that's my soul. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.520 That's where I was born at Crazy America. Come from 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.720 the Bronx and all the Florida Yeah, VX Florida for sure. Yeah, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.280 add some Texas to that. Texas to that. But yeah, man, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.920 coming up with the Bronx was like hardcore on eighty 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:01.920 third Grand Concourse right there, Jerome, av But it was like, wow, 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.040 I was hectic up there. So my mom was like 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.640 looking out for our safety, like we're gonna She wanted 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.440 to go somewhere a little more peaceful, coming from Lower 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.720 East Side Manhattan, you know, and Staten Allen is just 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.440 like this little cut over to the side. It's away 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.560 from the city. So she felt like that was a 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.440 place for us to grow up and it'd be safer. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.400 But you know, Staten Island is its own jungle to 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.640 be as as the Bronx. Staaten Island is the Bronx, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.400 but it's just concentrated. Everybody knows each other, you know. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.160 So you know, that little small place is where I 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.840 kind of learned, you know, all my little street savviness 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.360 or whatever the case. And butang was kind of like 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.359 already in the making because I went to school with Ray, 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.400 I went to school with you God Meth. Pretty much 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.320 everybody ghosts, so it was kind of like we knew 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.079 each other from way way back. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.720 They didn't look at you as an outsider because you 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.240 wasn't born and raised there or was it just as 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:55.840 soon as you came everybody y'all just clicked. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.520 Now, everybody came from somewhere. Rizzaiz from Brooklyn. You know, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:05.440 Odds Kappa, you got everybody's from Brooklyn. I'm like one 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.720 of the only few brons mephis Long Island. So you know, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.960 everybody kind of came together. Ghost is the only one 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.959 born us that now, so he was born there boy 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.400 going to school. We all knew Rizza. Rizza was the DJ, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.440 had his raps, had everything going on. And you know, 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.880 Meth was somebody that was putting out tapes in the hood, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.320 just be at people house making tape stuff like that. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.600 I was doing the same thing one boy DJ Quincy, 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.680 and so you know, word gets around. Then we started 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.880 mixing and mingling. I get with Meth and you got 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.560 first Ray con Is overhead across the street with my 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.720 brother Power recipes, and so it just came to be, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.040 like you know what you're doing. Ray had the idea 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.080 of coming to Rizza, Power put the thing together. Power 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.840 was the finances, say hey, yo, these dudes just don't 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:54.760 I'm gonna get behind that. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.360 And you know, kind of like it was a thousand rappers. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:03:59.600 It was. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:00.960 It was there's many of us. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.000 How did y'all break it down to that the core? 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.200 Because like you said, there were so many rappers. How 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:05.920 was the core? 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.600 That's great and stuff. So Rizza saw something. He definitely 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.840 saw something. He had the vision of this way before 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.600 any of this. And I remember him coming to me saying, Yo, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.120 I'm gonna put this group together. You know, we're gonna 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.360 get these MC's. We're gonna reps that now. And I 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.000 didn't know it's gonna be me because I heard, you know, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.240 this guy, this guy, this guy was so many people, 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.240 but he had the ear to know, Hey, put this 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.320 guy behind him or put him before him, and you 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.360 can get a certain sound. He'll he'll take you off 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.240 the record, you can have a dope verse you out 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.520 of here. He his voice sounds a little better. So 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.280 we're gonna put him there. And that was like, oh, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.880 you know, you god, you know ooh what grad wn 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.479 us get screwed? It wasn't It wasn't sixteen, but it 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.120 was a nice bridge to lead you into Dirty First 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:55.800 teen's first man. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:56.000 Yea. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.400 But when we first did it, it wasn't like that. And 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.800 I had the knack to know how to line people 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.000 up and put things together. So I think that's really 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.719 how it came down to who was going to be who, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.040 because there's still dudes like to this day that feel 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:15.440 like they Wu tang on Standyland, like and Stapleton Ghost 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.480 Face projects. They were the first ones the screen bhutang. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.240 I'm gonna shout that out because Paul Kill we wasn't 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.960 really we wasn't into the karate and all of that 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.040 like that. So we came down to Stapleton, they already 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.120 had Wu tang. That meant fly to them. If your 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.480 shoes was wool, yo, those wool. This is wool. That's wool. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.200 And I was like, okay, you know, we into Channel 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.280 five karate flicks and all that, so we knew the 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.440 principles and the brotherhood he was trying to preach. So 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.440 it's like, all right, I'm down with this. You know, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.240 I'm running from the cops. I got two felonies at 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.760 the time, so I'm like, it makes sense to just 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.280 sit down and write some robs and see where you go. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.720 So when it came to being like that MC who 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.800 what they call you the Master of the Opening opening brush, right, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.720 that was Rizzard's idea, have you lead off everything. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.760 I don't know if it was really his idea for me. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.160 I was just ready, okay, Like you know, everybody else 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.040 had like a like a star power or some type 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.120 of or I was the humble, laid back dude. But 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.000 I was always like I got a book on you, 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.440 or I got something. When I'm writing, I'm jotting things down. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.560 So when it came down to those moments, I was 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.480 always ready, we to throw the beat on. A lot 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.440 of cats had to write and get their stuff together, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.640 while I had like ten joints. I just was on 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.920 the bus stop or on the ferry ready. So that's 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.480 what it came down to, like, yo, we'll to throw 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.839 the beat on. I'm already on the beat before you 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.080 could even write your rhymes. So that's I think that's 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.040 what that became. And then he saw it. Then he 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.000 figured out, okay, let's let deck set it off. Because 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.680 I look at it like double dutch. Let'll see, like 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.960 back in the days with kids warming up. That's how 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.080 the beat is to me. You get you to then 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.120 you jump in and you do you do your steps right. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.120 So I always treated it like that like warm up 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:58.599 jumping and then. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.480 Get out the first record. That's your recording. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:06.520 No, we did Cream first, Wow, and Ray had three verses. 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.680 I had three verses on Cream and it wasn't structured 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.040 with meth with the hook in the middle, and it 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.320 was called like life of a drug Dealer or something 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.040 like that. I forget, but it's on YouTube though. You 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:16.800 can look that up. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.080 Oh my god. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.600 Yeah, on the versions three verses of Piece with us 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.520 took my verse just I'll tell you how smart Rizard 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.320 is with that. He took the back end, put it here, 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.600 took the front end, put that in the back, and 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:32.840 it took out the whole middle. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:33.680 Wow. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.280 And it made the verse on Cream that y'all here now. 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.320 But it's like thirty forty more bars to that that 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.120 I may release one day, I may say, I mean, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.560 it's out there, but I may like say it on 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.680 the track. I figure that's a dope thing to do. Now. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.440 You took my unreleased bars. They said that you were 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.760 on a record with Pak. Yeah, and then that record 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:54.280 never came out. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.000 So I heard that wasn't in the flood. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.680 That was That was an interesting day, So tell us 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.560 about that. I went with Mesh and Red CALLI. They 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.080 were doing the song they were going to be in 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.200 the Montell Jordan video. This is how we do it. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.160 I'm in that video. By the way, I got my 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.080 my Yankee hat backwards. I'm just in the back. I'm 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.600 happy to be there. I see Nate Dogg you know 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.760 all all all all the names we heard of being 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.280 with Snoop and I see Big Snoop. So I'm like, yo, 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.800 I'm having fun. We're on the golf course. They tore 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:28.119 the golf course, beat breaks people. What I remember seeing 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:32.559 in the fight recipes, Nate Dogg BG Knockout. They had 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:33.320 a war going on. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.240 Me New York. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.880 I don't know nothing about this, but I'm out there 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.640 and I see it and uh BG Knockouts comes with 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.559 a golf club swings it. Nate Dog slips, he got 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.880 on shoes on the on the grass, slips just the 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.760 time golf club goes clean over his head. They out 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.480 there squabbling and I said, they tore the golf called apart. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.360 Meanwhile the video is going on. I'm having fun because 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.480 I'm like, I'm in the Montell video. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:00.439 You know what I'm saying. I'll tell you. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.520 I see me in the two seconds I got a 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.880 Yankee had backwards, right, But you know, I'm enjoying the moment. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.960 You know, Methan Rader out there doing their thing, and 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.920 after the Mantel Jordan video, I'm just like, Okay, I 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.800 need to stay out here a little bit. It's kind 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.200 of fun out here. So we're going to dad house. Yeah, 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:28.120 we're going to Yeah, I'm gonna stay a couple more days. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:28.360 Right. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.560 So Dad is like, yo, come to my house. Math Rad, 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:37.880 I think Lady of Rage rb X. It's all of them, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.880 you know, the whole dog Pound death Row situation. And 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.600 I'm like, I hear the beat. Das makes a beat 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.240 from Scratch and Meth and Rad is you know they happy. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.640 Everybody's about to get on this. My name was never 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:53.880 mentioned in it, so I'm hearing. I hear Meth, I 0:09:53.920 --> 0:10:00.680 hear Rad. A couple of people put their verses down corrupt, right, Okay, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.000 the mic is open, and I'm just sitting there, like 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.920 I get to the mic, I set the mic in flames. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.360 My name's Ain't. That's the Rebel Murder one staff Smashed 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.960 Mind says the Pebbles like I was in there. I 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.200 was Warmode New York with ca I'm in Cali Camo 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.960 down first of all, Tim, So that's the mode I 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:20.560 was in. I came in there like all these dudes 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.360 is everybody got a name. I got to come in 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.640 here and shake it up. I was here too, That's 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.240 one of my slogans. I'm here too, So you know 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.640 I'm here too. I'm gonna get on this mic. Now, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:33.760 I wasn't. I guess I wasn't supposed to be on 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:37.120 the record, but it was like rage RBS. Everybody was there. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:43.839 Then I heard that Poc came home signed to row Right. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.920 This was supposed to be a dog Pound record over here. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.800 So I didn't understand between Dads and Corrupt how my 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.800 lyrics came off. But it was a pock thing. He said, Yo, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.440 he wanted a certain amount of people on the record, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.000 and I remember Corrupt saying something like, yo. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.400 That killed it. That killed it. He was like, man, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.120 I want to hear that. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.240 That rappidy rap blah blah blah. You know, and for 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.520 whatever reason, he took it off. But I'm laughing because 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:08.120 my ad lib. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.280 They kept your and that's the rebel. Like why they keep. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.200 That, I don't know to this day. It doesn't but 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.840 Das told me, Hey, that get you publishing. That's platinum. Yeah, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.640 so that's a publisher went after that lady a Rage 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:23.079 record two. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.920 No, I wasn't on. They took Rage off too. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.280 They took off. It took everybody clean off. And those 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.320 are like some of them are those are those are 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.559 their peoples. And I'm like, y'all left my lyrics on it. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.720 But you know, I think Daz did that on purpose. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:40.360 You know, it's interesting record. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.560 I'm a comic book guy, so I love like the 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.240 Marvel what ifs, Right, one of the biggest what ifs 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.040 is always you know, what would that first inspected that 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.439 album have sounded like like have you ever gotten over 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.839 the loss of the music that happened in the Wu 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.600 Tang flood, because everybody says you were impacted the most. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:57.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.480 Man. If y'all saw the Hulu series that episode when 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.680 Rizzi opened his door and you saw the floppy disc 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.760 floating on top of the water, that's real. Like we 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.680 came back from tour, went to his house. House was flooded, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.720 and I think I remember clearly seeing and inspected deck 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.679 floppy disc floating by. You know, we couldn't even get 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.199 to the bottom of the stairs. But yeah, man, I'm 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:24.080 not gonna say I didn't get over it. It jacked 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.559 me up for a minute, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.240 Because I'm like, I had a lot, I had momentum 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.600 coming into my album dropping, you know, I had the big. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.480 Pond, I had a gangstar. You know it was. It 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:35.839 was a couple of records, a couple of features that 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:36.920 I did that set that up. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.680 And I remember Loud got dropped by BMG, I believe, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.319 picked up by Sony Columbia Relativity. All that. I now 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.440 went from being expected deck with Ray Kwan, got Joe 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.000 Old mab Deep you know, all a Loud. I'm over 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:56.680 here with crucial Conflict, Gangs, the bull, the Icons, you know, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.760 a whole different ship. Shout out the Path, project Pat 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.800 Man Project, Patt Dope. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:03.319 Dude. Man. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.480 He held me down out there in the Midwest, south 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.200 of all these places where my music wasn't accepted like that. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.360 Now he told me something dope too. He's like, yo, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.360 kick kick the wou tang stuff off other beats. So 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:16.960 I was like, in the mix of doing my show, 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.480 I would throw on this is why I'm hot, Like 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.439 throwing mimes and kick something to that instead of you 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:24.800 know what I mean, like switching it up. But it 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.080 worked and he was just a real dude down the earth. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.920 Oh and my man Bulldog from the Icons. These are 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.679 dudes that you know, you never thought that combination would happened. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.520 But you know, I said, they held me down, and 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.880 you know, just going through that whole shift and all that, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.960 Like the album got pushed back then the flood, So 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.280 it was like the uncontrolled substance that you hear. Now, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.040 I had to make that on the fly on tour. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.640 You know, I don't got I got three riz of beats. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.440 That's going against what the formula was, if you know, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.000 the for me in the beginning, produce all the beats 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.679 on all the albums, and that was like the successful formula. 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.000 So I was ready, like, okay, it's my turn now. 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.000 Oh wait a minute, Olive got dropped. Oh wait a minute. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:13.360 Oh the flood Now now it takes me another six 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.760 months to a year to make this album because I'm 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:16.559 all over the place. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:17.520 I'm going through life. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.080 So by the time I actually got that album together, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.000 I felt like I had already been lapped by the crew. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.160 And so I was like Damn, I didn't even dropped 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.040 my first. You got methhas on the second. You know, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.480 raying ghosts go raying ghost drop. Now ghost is dropping. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.720 You know. It was that type of thing methis on 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.040 the second. So I'm just like, Damn, I gotta I 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.000 gotta do something. And me, in my anger, I could 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:45.040 admit it now, man, no f everybody, I'm doing this myself, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.840 you know. And then I put it out. You know, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.120 didn't really have the know how to push the record, 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.520 just going off of what I've been around and watching Rizza. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.240 I thought that I knew. So it's like and then 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.480 you learn the hallway, you know, you f around to 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.680 find out that, yo, you you need to you need 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.200 to understand the business game. How the other side of 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.720 this work. Rapping is nothing. I can rappers like eggs 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.280 and cheese, you know, but the business side was what 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.320 you gotta learn. You gotta learn about returns, mechanical wards, 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.120 is the difference between you know, uh, royalties and and 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.360 and just it's all hitting type of under the table 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.720 stuff that you got to learn. So once I learned 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.960 a lot of that, I got out of the contracts 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.480 and kind of, like I tell people, the rebel was born. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.680 I call myself rebel, I and S. That's when I 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.720 felt like, Yo, ain't nobody helping me. I'm out here 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.720 by myself. It's like being in the jungle. You got 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.760 a canteen and the radio, but you got nobody's in 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.960 the chopper. There's no there's no ground support, there's no 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.240 who do I call when I get jammed up? I 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.520 get pinned down? So I had to I had to 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.200 face a lot of that by myself, you know what 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.760 I'm saying. And a lot of people had units and 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.880 crews and clicks, and I just did it with like 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.680 a two man crew. Did you ever feel a way 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:00.120 about that? 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:01.800 Because if you talk to a lot of the members 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.480 of Wool, they always say but they say who's the nicest, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:05.440 who's the most liberal? 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:06.000 Who gets busy? 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.560 They always say Deck and Gisel? Right, yeah, So did 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.280 that ever make you feel a way? Because you look 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.840 at all the members and they always praise you as 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.000 being the nicest, the most lyrical. But as far as 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.280 career is concerned, their careers took a jump from you. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.200 I was hot. I can't lie I was I was. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.960 I was burnt, But I didn't know why you know 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.960 what I'm saying. I didn't know why that was happening. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.560 And then when I learned, it's like old dirty, He's 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.200 so extroverted that you notice him. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.080 Even if he's quiet, you notice it. I'm the quiet one. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.480 So I didn't know that me playing the background or 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.920 the pictures, you know, being humble, not talking so much 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.360 in the interviews, that comes back to hurt you. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:48.880 So I learned that and I was like, okay. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.240 When I did figure it out, so you know, I'm 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.200 gonna start stepping towards the front. No, now you see 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.440 later on in life as the pictures, I'm like, I'm 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.960 front row because I'm like, I'm front line when you talk, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.360 I'm front line bro all the time, Like, no matter 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.080 how many songs I'm on, it's the impact of the verses. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:12.160 It is everything combined, the setting it off. I said, 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.040 I'm front line, man, So I got to start playing 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.000 the front. And then when I changed that, I started 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.800 getting a little more trajectory, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:21.320 But I still in the back of my mind was 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.680 playing catch up to my brothers. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.800 I felt how much of that first album did we hear? 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.280 Did anything that anything that you remember. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.520 I did show improve word on the street. I put 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.760 out a couple of records. Yeah so, and then me 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.800 I raped different. I'm like the Marvin Gaye of the crew, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.680 you know, I'm like the Langston Hughes Them type of dudes, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.639 where it's more of a poetry. I study Gil Scott 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.320 Hemming a lot. I read Gillscott Herring books. I listened 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.000 to his music. I try to understand how he puts. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.720 He has some of the most powerful words, but he 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.680 doesn't say a whole lot of big words and wordplay 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.440 like that. He you know, I can't pay my taxes, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:02.359 but white he's on the moon. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:03.199 You know. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.040 It's the impact of that, you. 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:05.560 Know what I'm saying. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.959 So I was figuring how I had to learn how 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.159 to write again. So I'm like, I'm not gonna be 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.639 We already got the street dudes, you know, even though 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.800 I'm from the streets to it. Six felonies, you know, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.920 six miths to meetings, two felonies. I'm from the streets too. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.040 I don't advocate or glorify that, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.920 I've been to jail more than anybody in my crew 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.680 besides Cap. So you know, I was like, I don't 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.119 want to be that Ray and goldst got that locked 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.600 you know, meth. I'm more in the meth category, in 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.600