Speaker 1: Every day up week ago.
Speaker 2: Click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: You don't finished for y'all.
Speaker 3: Done morning everybody. It's d J Envy, just hilarious. Charlamagne
Speaker 3: the God. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a
Speaker 3: special guest in the.
Speaker 4: Building, Inspected Deck on the set from Tank Inspected that
Speaker 4: welcome back. You know, it's the first time Inspected Deck
Speaker 4: has been on the show. You know, it's the first
Speaker 4: time I actually met Inspected Deck. I met remember of
Speaker 4: what expected that wow? And when I when I first
Speaker 4: seen it on the street, I thought you all was coming. Look,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you no, expect the Deck. It's I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: this is the first time I ever met you.
Speaker 1: Brother. How you doing, brother, I'm good man, it's good
Speaker 1: to be here. I'm glad y'all let me up in
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 5: Of course, you got a new album called dragons Breath. Now,
Speaker 5: we were coming up in the nineteen hundreds. The Dragons
Speaker 5: Breath was not a good thing.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't did not want that. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know it's just it's d you know, spit hot fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nothing. This is this is like a rap album,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not like trying to
Speaker 1: be King Pinn or King of New York and nothing
Speaker 1: like that. It's just more of inspected Deck. Been off
Speaker 1: the scene for a while, I still think I got it,
Speaker 1: still got a little something left in it. So I
Speaker 1: had a bunch of songs. I said, I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: these things together, make these projects and put them out
Speaker 1: one bout one, two to the Deck fans stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: because I know it's a lot of new stuff going
Speaker 1: on in hip hop.
Speaker 2: Can we go? I want to go back, if you
Speaker 2: don't mind respect that.
Speaker 6: This is the first time here.
Speaker 3: Of course, legendary group Wu Tang, the first album. You
Speaker 3: were on that album, the second most artist on that album.
Speaker 3: So let's start off.
Speaker 1: You've been from the Bronx.
Speaker 3: How a kid from the Bronx winds up in Staten
Speaker 3: Island and then getting in this legendary group Bu Tang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so your shout out to the BX. I don't
Speaker 1: wrap the Bronx enough. Bronx is like, that's my soul.
Speaker 1: That's where I was born at Crazy America. Come from
Speaker 1: the Bronx and all the Florida Yeah, VX Florida for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: add some Texas to that. Texas to that. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: coming up with the Bronx was like hardcore on eighty
Speaker 1: third Grand Concourse right there, Jerome, av But it was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I was hectic up there. So my mom was like
Speaker 1: looking out for our safety, like we're gonna She wanted
Speaker 1: to go somewhere a little more peaceful, coming from Lower
Speaker 1: East Side Manhattan, you know, and Staten Allen is just
Speaker 1: like this little cut over to the side. It's away
Speaker 1: from the city. So she felt like that was a
Speaker 1: place for us to grow up and it'd be safer.
Speaker 1: But you know, Staten Island is its own jungle to
Speaker 1: be as as the Bronx. Staaten Island is the Bronx,
Speaker 1: but it's just concentrated. Everybody knows each other, you know.
Speaker 1: So you know, that little small place is where I
Speaker 1: kind of learned, you know, all my little street savviness
Speaker 1: or whatever the case. And butang was kind of like
Speaker 1: already in the making because I went to school with Ray,
Speaker 1: I went to school with you God Meth. Pretty much
Speaker 1: everybody ghosts, so it was kind of like we knew
Speaker 1: each other from way way back.
Speaker 3: They didn't look at you as an outsider because you
Speaker 3: wasn't born and raised there or was it just as
Speaker 3: soon as you came everybody y'all just clicked.
Speaker 1: Now, everybody came from somewhere. Rizzaiz from Brooklyn. You know,
Speaker 1: Odds Kappa, you got everybody's from Brooklyn. I'm like one
Speaker 1: of the only few brons mephis Long Island. So you know,
Speaker 1: everybody kind of came together. Ghost is the only one
Speaker 1: born us that now, so he was born there boy
Speaker 1: going to school. We all knew Rizza. Rizza was the DJ,
Speaker 1: had his raps, had everything going on. And you know,
Speaker 1: Meth was somebody that was putting out tapes in the hood,
Speaker 1: just be at people house making tape stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I was doing the same thing one boy DJ Quincy,
Speaker 1: and so you know, word gets around. Then we started
Speaker 1: mixing and mingling. I get with Meth and you got
Speaker 1: first Ray con Is overhead across the street with my
Speaker 1: brother Power recipes, and so it just came to be,
Speaker 1: like you know what you're doing. Ray had the idea
Speaker 1: of coming to Rizza, Power put the thing together. Power
Speaker 1: was the finances, say hey, yo, these dudes just don't
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get behind that.
Speaker 6: And you know, kind of like it was a thousand rappers.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 6: It was there's many of us.
Speaker 3: How did y'all break it down to that the core?
Speaker 3: Because like you said, there were so many rappers. How
Speaker 3: was the core?
Speaker 1: That's great and stuff. So Rizza saw something. He definitely
Speaker 1: saw something. He had the vision of this way before
Speaker 1: any of this. And I remember him coming to me saying, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this group together. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get these MC's. We're gonna reps that now. And I
Speaker 1: didn't know it's gonna be me because I heard, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, this guy was so many people,
Speaker 1: but he had the ear to know, Hey, put this
Speaker 1: guy behind him or put him before him, and you
Speaker 1: can get a certain sound. He'll he'll take you off
Speaker 1: the record, you can have a dope verse you out
Speaker 1: of here. He his voice sounds a little better. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him there. And that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you god, you know ooh what grad wn
Speaker 1: us get screwed? It wasn't It wasn't sixteen, but it
Speaker 1: was a nice bridge to lead you into Dirty First
Speaker 1: teen's first man.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: But when we first did it, it wasn't like that. And
Speaker 1: I had the knack to know how to line people
Speaker 1: up and put things together. So I think that's really
Speaker 1: how it came down to who was going to be who,
Speaker 1: because there's still dudes like to this day that feel
Speaker 1: like they Wu tang on Standyland, like and Stapleton Ghost
Speaker 1: Face projects. They were the first ones the screen bhutang.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shout that out because Paul Kill we wasn't
Speaker 1: really we wasn't into the karate and all of that
Speaker 1: like that. So we came down to Stapleton, they already
Speaker 1: had Wu tang. That meant fly to them. If your
Speaker 1: shoes was wool, yo, those wool. This is wool. That's wool.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, you know, we into Channel
Speaker 1: five karate flicks and all that, so we knew the
Speaker 1: principles and the brotherhood he was trying to preach. So
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, I'm down with this. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm running from the cops. I got two felonies at
Speaker 1: the time, so I'm like, it makes sense to just
Speaker 1: sit down and write some robs and see where you go.
Speaker 5: So when it came to being like that MC who
Speaker 5: what they call you the Master of the Opening opening brush, right,
Speaker 5: that was Rizzard's idea, have you lead off everything.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was really his idea for me.
Speaker 1: I was just ready, okay, Like you know, everybody else
Speaker 1: had like a like a star power or some type
Speaker 1: of or I was the humble, laid back dude. But
Speaker 1: I was always like I got a book on you,
Speaker 1: or I got something. When I'm writing, I'm jotting things down.
Speaker 1: So when it came down to those moments, I was
Speaker 1: always ready, we to throw the beat on. A lot
Speaker 1: of cats had to write and get their stuff together,
Speaker 1: while I had like ten joints. I just was on
Speaker 1: the bus stop or on the ferry ready. So that's
Speaker 1: what it came down to, like, yo, we'll to throw
Speaker 1: the beat on. I'm already on the beat before you
Speaker 1: could even write your rhymes. So that's I think that's
Speaker 1: what that became. And then he saw it. Then he
Speaker 1: figured out, okay, let's let deck set it off. Because
Speaker 1: I look at it like double dutch. Let'll see, like
Speaker 1: back in the days with kids warming up. That's how
Speaker 1: the beat is to me. You get you to then
Speaker 1: you jump in and you do you do your steps right.
Speaker 1: So I always treated it like that like warm up
Speaker 1: jumping and then.
Speaker 2: Get out the first record. That's your recording.
Speaker 1: No, we did Cream first, Wow, and Ray had three verses.
Speaker 1: I had three verses on Cream and it wasn't structured
Speaker 1: with meth with the hook in the middle, and it
Speaker 1: was called like life of a drug Dealer or something
Speaker 1: like that. I forget, but it's on YouTube though. You
Speaker 1: can look that up.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the versions three verses of Piece with us
Speaker 1: took my verse just I'll tell you how smart Rizard
Speaker 1: is with that. He took the back end, put it here,
Speaker 1: took the front end, put that in the back, and
Speaker 1: it took out the whole middle.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: And it made the verse on Cream that y'all here now.
Speaker 1: But it's like thirty forty more bars to that that
Speaker 1: I may release one day, I may say, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's out there, but I may like say it on
Speaker 1: the track. I figure that's a dope thing to do. Now.
Speaker 3: You took my unreleased bars. They said that you were
Speaker 3: on a record with Pak. Yeah, and then that record
Speaker 3: never came out.
Speaker 6: So I heard that wasn't in the flood.
Speaker 1: That was That was an interesting day, So tell us
Speaker 1: about that. I went with Mesh and Red CALLI. They
Speaker 1: were doing the song they were going to be in
Speaker 1: the Montell Jordan video. This is how we do it.
Speaker 1: I'm in that video. By the way, I got my
Speaker 1: my Yankee hat backwards. I'm just in the back. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be there. I see Nate Dogg you know
Speaker 1: all all all all the names we heard of being
Speaker 1: with Snoop and I see Big Snoop. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm having fun. We're on the golf course. They tore
Speaker 1: the golf course, beat breaks people. What I remember seeing
Speaker 1: in the fight recipes, Nate Dogg BG Knockout. They had
Speaker 1: a war going on.
Speaker 6: Me New York.
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about this, but I'm out there
Speaker 1: and I see it and uh BG Knockouts comes with
Speaker 1: a golf club swings it. Nate Dog slips, he got
Speaker 1: on shoes on the on the grass, slips just the
Speaker 1: time golf club goes clean over his head. They out
Speaker 1: there squabbling and I said, they tore the golf called apart.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile the video is going on. I'm having fun because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in the Montell video.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I see me in the two seconds I got a
Speaker 1: Yankee had backwards, right, But you know, I'm enjoying the moment.
Speaker 1: You know, Methan Rader out there doing their thing, and
Speaker 1: after the Mantel Jordan video, I'm just like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to stay out here a little bit. It's kind
Speaker 1: of fun out here. So we're going to dad house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to Yeah, I'm gonna stay a couple more days.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So Dad is like, yo, come to my house. Math Rad,
Speaker 1: I think Lady of Rage rb X. It's all of them,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole dog Pound death Row situation. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hear the beat. Das makes a beat
Speaker 1: from Scratch and Meth and Rad is you know they happy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's about to get on this. My name was never
Speaker 1: mentioned in it, so I'm hearing. I hear Meth, I
Speaker 1: hear Rad. A couple of people put their verses down corrupt, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: the mic is open, and I'm just sitting there, like
Speaker 1: I get to the mic, I set the mic in flames.
Speaker 1: My name's Ain't. That's the Rebel Murder one staff Smashed
Speaker 1: Mind says the Pebbles like I was in there. I
Speaker 1: was Warmode New York with ca I'm in Cali Camo
Speaker 1: down first of all, Tim, So that's the mode I
Speaker 1: was in. I came in there like all these dudes
Speaker 1: is everybody got a name. I got to come in
Speaker 1: here and shake it up. I was here too, That's
Speaker 1: one of my slogans. I'm here too, So you know
Speaker 1: I'm here too. I'm gonna get on this mic. Now,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I guess I wasn't supposed to be on
Speaker 1: the record, but it was like rage RBS. Everybody was there.
Speaker 1: Then I heard that Poc came home signed to row Right.
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be a dog Pound record over here.
Speaker 1: So I didn't understand between Dads and Corrupt how my
Speaker 1: lyrics came off. But it was a pock thing. He said, Yo,
Speaker 1: he wanted a certain amount of people on the record,
Speaker 1: and I remember Corrupt saying something like, yo.
Speaker 6: That killed it. That killed it. He was like, man,
Speaker 6: I want to hear that.
Speaker 1: That rappidy rap blah blah blah. You know, and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, he took it off. But I'm laughing because
Speaker 1: my ad lib.
Speaker 2: They kept your and that's the rebel. Like why they keep.
Speaker 1: That, I don't know to this day. It doesn't but
Speaker 1: Das told me, Hey, that get you publishing. That's platinum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a publisher went after that lady a Rage
Speaker 1: record two.
Speaker 6: No, I wasn't on. They took Rage off too.
Speaker 1: They took off. It took everybody clean off. And those
Speaker 1: are like some of them are those are those are
Speaker 1: their peoples. And I'm like, y'all left my lyrics on it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think Daz did that on purpose.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting record.
Speaker 5: I'm a comic book guy, so I love like the
Speaker 5: Marvel what ifs, Right, one of the biggest what ifs
Speaker 5: is always you know, what would that first inspected that
Speaker 5: album have sounded like like have you ever gotten over
Speaker 5: the loss of the music that happened in the Wu
Speaker 5: Tang flood, because everybody says you were impacted the most.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Man. If y'all saw the Hulu series that episode when
Speaker 1: Rizzi opened his door and you saw the floppy disc
Speaker 1: floating on top of the water, that's real. Like we
Speaker 1: came back from tour, went to his house. House was flooded,
Speaker 1: and I think I remember clearly seeing and inspected deck
Speaker 1: floppy disc floating by. You know, we couldn't even get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the stairs. But yeah, man, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say I didn't get over it. It jacked
Speaker 1: me up for a minute, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, I had a lot, I had momentum
Speaker 1: coming into my album dropping, you know, I had the big.
Speaker 6: Pond, I had a gangstar. You know it was. It
Speaker 6: was a couple of records, a couple of features that
Speaker 6: I did that set that up.
Speaker 1: And I remember Loud got dropped by BMG, I believe,
Speaker 1: picked up by Sony Columbia Relativity. All that. I now
Speaker 1: went from being expected deck with Ray Kwan, got Joe
Speaker 1: Old mab Deep you know, all a Loud. I'm over
Speaker 1: here with crucial Conflict, Gangs, the bull, the Icons, you know,
Speaker 1: a whole different ship. Shout out the Path, project Pat
Speaker 1: Man Project, Patt Dope.
Speaker 6: Dude. Man.
Speaker 1: He held me down out there in the Midwest, south
Speaker 1: of all these places where my music wasn't accepted like that.
Speaker 1: Now he told me something dope too. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: kick kick the wou tang stuff off other beats. So
Speaker 1: I was like, in the mix of doing my show,
Speaker 1: I would throw on this is why I'm hot, Like
Speaker 1: throwing mimes and kick something to that instead of you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like switching it up. But it
Speaker 1: worked and he was just a real dude down the earth.
Speaker 1: Oh and my man Bulldog from the Icons. These are
Speaker 1: dudes that you know, you never thought that combination would happened.
Speaker 1: But you know, I said, they held me down, and
Speaker 1: you know, just going through that whole shift and all that,
Speaker 1: Like the album got pushed back then the flood, So
Speaker 1: it was like the uncontrolled substance that you hear. Now,
Speaker 1: I had to make that on the fly on tour.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't got I got three riz of beats.
Speaker 1: That's going against what the formula was, if you know,
Speaker 1: the for me in the beginning, produce all the beats
Speaker 1: on all the albums, and that was like the successful formula.
Speaker 1: So I was ready, like, okay, it's my turn now.
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, Olive got dropped. Oh wait a minute.
Speaker 1: Oh the flood Now now it takes me another six
Speaker 1: months to a year to make this album because I'm
Speaker 1: all over the place.
Speaker 6: I'm going through life.
Speaker 1: So by the time I actually got that album together,
Speaker 1: I felt like I had already been lapped by the crew.
Speaker 1: And so I was like Damn, I didn't even dropped
Speaker 1: my first. You got methhas on the second. You know,
Speaker 1: raying ghosts go raying ghost drop. Now ghost is dropping.
Speaker 1: You know. It was that type of thing methis on
Speaker 1: the second. So I'm just like, Damn, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta do something. And me, in my anger, I could
Speaker 1: admit it now, man, no f everybody, I'm doing this myself,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I put it out. You know,
Speaker 1: didn't really have the know how to push the record,
Speaker 1: just going off of what I've been around and watching Rizza.
Speaker 1: I thought that I knew. So it's like and then
Speaker 1: you learn the hallway, you know, you f around to
Speaker 1: find out that, yo, you you need to you need
Speaker 1: to understand the business game. How the other side of
Speaker 1: this work. Rapping is nothing. I can rappers like eggs
Speaker 1: and cheese, you know, but the business side was what
Speaker 1: you gotta learn. You gotta learn about returns, mechanical wards,
Speaker 1: is the difference between you know, uh, royalties and and
Speaker 1: and just it's all hitting type of under the table
Speaker 1: stuff that you got to learn. So once I learned
Speaker 1: a lot of that, I got out of the contracts
Speaker 1: and kind of, like I tell people, the rebel was born.
Speaker 1: I call myself rebel, I and S. That's when I
Speaker 1: felt like, Yo, ain't nobody helping me. I'm out here
Speaker 1: by myself. It's like being in the jungle. You got
Speaker 1: a canteen and the radio, but you got nobody's in
Speaker 1: the chopper. There's no there's no ground support, there's no
Speaker 1: who do I call when I get jammed up? I
Speaker 1: get pinned down? So I had to I had to
Speaker 1: face a lot of that by myself, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And a lot of people had units and
Speaker 1: crews and clicks, and I just did it with like
Speaker 1: a two man crew. Did you ever feel a way
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: Because if you talk to a lot of the members
Speaker 3: of Wool, they always say but they say who's the nicest,
Speaker 3: who's the most liberal?
Speaker 2: Who gets busy?
Speaker 3: They always say Deck and Gisel? Right, yeah, So did
Speaker 3: that ever make you feel a way? Because you look
Speaker 3: at all the members and they always praise you as
Speaker 3: being the nicest, the most lyrical. But as far as
Speaker 3: career is concerned, their careers took a jump from you.
Speaker 1: I was hot. I can't lie I was I was.
Speaker 1: I was burnt, But I didn't know why you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I didn't know why that was happening.
Speaker 1: And then when I learned, it's like old dirty, He's
Speaker 1: so extroverted that you notice him.
Speaker 6: Even if he's quiet, you notice it. I'm the quiet one.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that me playing the background or
Speaker 1: the pictures, you know, being humble, not talking so much
Speaker 1: in the interviews, that comes back to hurt you.
Speaker 6: So I learned that and I was like, okay.
Speaker 1: When I did figure it out, so you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start stepping towards the front. No, now you see
Speaker 1: later on in life as the pictures, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: front row because I'm like, I'm front line when you talk,
Speaker 1: I'm front line bro all the time, Like, no matter
Speaker 1: how many songs I'm on, it's the impact of the verses.
Speaker 1: It is everything combined, the setting it off. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm front line, man, So I got to start playing
Speaker 1: the front. And then when I changed that, I started
Speaker 1: getting a little more trajectory, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I still in the back of my mind was
Speaker 1: playing catch up to my brothers.
Speaker 5: I felt how much of that first album did we hear?
Speaker 5: Did anything that anything that you remember.
Speaker 1: I did show improve word on the street. I put
Speaker 1: out a couple of records. Yeah so, and then me
Speaker 1: I raped different. I'm like the Marvin Gaye of the crew,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like the Langston Hughes Them type of dudes,
Speaker 1: where it's more of a poetry. I study Gil Scott
Speaker 1: Hemming a lot. I read Gillscott Herring books. I listened
Speaker 1: to his music. I try to understand how he puts.
Speaker 1: He has some of the most powerful words, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't say a whole lot of big words and wordplay
Speaker 1: like that. He you know, I can't pay my taxes,
Speaker 1: but white he's on the moon.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: It's the impact of that, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was figuring how I had to learn how
Speaker 1: to write again. So I'm like, I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: We already got the street dudes, you know, even though
Speaker 1: I'm from the streets to it. Six felonies, you know,
Speaker 1: six miths to meetings, two felonies. I'm from the streets too.
Speaker 1: I don't advocate or glorify that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I've been to jail more than anybody in my crew
Speaker 1: besides Cap. So you know, I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be that Ray and goldst got that locked
Speaker 1: you know, meth. I'm more in the meth category, in
Speaker 1: the jigger category with styles and lyrics and just keeping
Speaker 1: it hip hop. So you know, I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be that dude. I'll be the storyteller and I make
Speaker 1: the creams, the cold Worlds something like that. But I
Speaker 1: also play Devil's advocate and I talk about the street life.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And if you really look, there's inspected deck the artists,
Speaker 1: there's inspected deck from Wu Tang, and then there's inspected
Speaker 1: deck from Zarfa new crew I got. So I have
Speaker 1: three different careers in one and that's really hard to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until it dawned on me, Like Yo,
Speaker 1: zar Face is suffering because you're out here on Wu
Speaker 1: Tang too, and then Wu Tang Tour, you know, is
Speaker 1: taking up the time so expected that can't put an
Speaker 1: album out. So it was like fighting personalities in yourself.
Speaker 1: Then I learned how to mess them and now I
Speaker 1: just make music for everybody and everything.
Speaker 3: But you and Rizza are genius to where y'all put
Speaker 3: it together. Because even if you think about it, right,
Speaker 3: You don't do things that are supposed to be catchy,
Speaker 3: but they're just a catchy Like I'm just thinking ibamatomically, socrleas,
Speaker 3: philosophies and hypotheses like that's not supposed to be catchy,
Speaker 3: but that's the line as soon as it comes on.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the lyrical miracle they call. Right, that's
Speaker 1: a lyrical miracle right now. You know, people don't even
Speaker 1: use that many words nowadays. People ain't even trying to
Speaker 1: read a paragraph. It's too long, bron you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I learned that over time. Now, like
Speaker 1: going to breath, I don't, I don't. I'm not that
Speaker 1: technical anymore. And it's not like to dumb myself down.
Speaker 1: I just know that I could just talk regular because
Speaker 1: people are just like every day conversation, every day people. Now,
Speaker 1: it's not a whole lot of big lyrical talk. There's
Speaker 1: some people out there that get busy lyrically, like you know,
Speaker 1: one of my favorites is Conway right, always dope. And
Speaker 1: then there's just people that they don't really want to
Speaker 1: hear all of that. They just want to hear how
Speaker 1: to beat sound, how to hook sound? As a catchy
Speaker 1: can I dance to it? And I don't knock none
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 6: I just know me. I'm more of a last poet,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. I still I consider myself one of
Speaker 1: the last poets of today. And you know, getting over that,
Speaker 1: that's when I finally realize that, like, bro, you're not
Speaker 1: going to catch up to a method man, You're not
Speaker 1: going to catch up to a ghost. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: do none of that. But you are just as appreciated,
Speaker 1: You're just as good, you're just as worthy. And so
Speaker 1: with that mindset, I just carried myself different. Now now
Speaker 1: it's not a competition. It was friendly competition for a
Speaker 1: long time, but now it's not a competition.
Speaker 6: It's like, yo, better, I saw that movie you did
Speaker 6: the other day. Dope.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like now it's it's super congratulatory. You know,
Speaker 1: Ghost got a video game coming out, did a song
Speaker 1: on this video game? Can't wait for that? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, yeah, everything is now it's more
Speaker 1: it's a supportive role for everybody. Now it's more as me, Like, well,
Speaker 1: why it ain't me?
Speaker 2: You know, when did that?
Speaker 7: When did that change for you?
Speaker 8: I saw you said you had to apologize to Riz
Speaker 8: on my point for feeling like, you know, I blamed.
Speaker 1: It on him, like for whatever reason, like yo, my
Speaker 1: I didn't make it as far as this, or you
Speaker 1: didn't produce this many tracks on my album or whatever
Speaker 1: the case, like we did in the beginning we said
Speaker 1: my seeds marry his seeds and saying money all in
Speaker 1: the family. You know, I'm I'm living off of these
Speaker 1: ideas and things. But I'm like, yo, it's not happening,
Speaker 1: So what's going on? You know? Then there's times with
Speaker 1: this like Wu Tang shifts, you know, Woutang's breaking up
Speaker 1: and you know, the money, just like all of these
Speaker 1: things going on, and I'm like, yo, I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to put my feet in this wet cement
Speaker 1: to make my stamp.
Speaker 6: So you know, how do I do that?
Speaker 1: And the first thing I did was like, you know,
Speaker 1: like owning up to it, like you know what, this
Speaker 1: brother helped me get out the streets. This brother saw
Speaker 1: things in me that I didn't see it myself. He
Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity to put you know, food on
Speaker 1: the table. I thank him, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I appreciate him, and if it didn't go right for me,
Speaker 1: so be it right. You know, you take accountability for
Speaker 1: what you could have did. There's plenty of things I
Speaker 1: could have did better or just did in general, but
Speaker 1: I was blinded by my own anger of it. Like this,
Speaker 1: if that rebel rebel rebel like rebel is a character
Speaker 1: I created, bro that got in my way, that got
Speaker 1: in my way from actually seeing things clear. I'm more
Speaker 1: of a back that, like you know, analyze, check things out,
Speaker 1: then make a decision on it. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you when you're dealing with emotions and dealing with anger,
Speaker 1: you tend to just rat a off without thinking too much.
Speaker 1: And so that was that. Man, I held that anger
Speaker 1: in for a while. When I apologize to Riside, I
Speaker 1: let it go. You know, he accepted that apology, and
Speaker 1: I think it's been like an a doupe harmony since then.
Speaker 1: You know, he's taught me so much since then that
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's that's one of my brothers I
Speaker 1: love in the game, and like I learned from him
Speaker 1: each and every time I talk to him. So you know,
Speaker 1: that was mandatory and just in general. Woutang in general, man,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I Wu Tang. I blamed Wu Tang
Speaker 1: for taking a lot of my life, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I gave you a lot of life.
Speaker 1: It gave me a lot of life, but it made
Speaker 1: me miss graduations, It made me miss baby shadows, family members,
Speaker 1: just different things like I might have been. I was
Speaker 1: in Russia when my when my son was born. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know, he waved. I couldn't even get back if
Speaker 1: I wanted to. There was nothing flying out. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, to this day, his mom he wasn't a
Speaker 1: head bro. But that's a big thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's a big thing with your firstborn son.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be there, but there's no way for
Speaker 1: me to get there. So I had to eat that.
Speaker 1: I had to hold on to that.
Speaker 3: But I was the money with that, because it's it's
Speaker 3: so many of y'all.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So even if back.
Speaker 3: Then you got fifty sixty thousand as a group, besides
Speaker 3: management and touring and fees, this, that and theether, y'all
Speaker 3: only making a couple of thousand dollars, So I know
Speaker 3: that must have been yeahful difficult. Then you got I'm
Speaker 3: the bigger there, and that's that.
Speaker 1: So I was dealing with all.
Speaker 6: That you had.
Speaker 1: You had that like you know, Chef Raykan, Chef is
Speaker 1: a very outspoken person.
Speaker 6: That's my brother. I love her.
Speaker 1: But Chef might be like, yo, why he getting that?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sos to get that. He might be right,
Speaker 1: but then Rizzius looking at it, like yo, you know
Speaker 1: it's all of us. It's all of us. We were
Speaker 1: split and eating together. Well, he always had to righte
Speaker 1: his mind. But you know, sometimes you got brothers say
Speaker 1: I put in five times the work, I want.
Speaker 3: Five I gotta do fifteen songs.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So you know that's where
Speaker 1: a lot of the confusion came in with Bu Tang.
Speaker 1: It was never like a jealousy or I don't want
Speaker 1: you to eat things. It was just like, yo, if
Speaker 1: I baked you know, if I made the if I
Speaker 1: baked this pizza and I made the crust by hand,
Speaker 1: bro and I made the sauce, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: feel you get five slices over that? How do you
Speaker 1: feel you get half? Which you know a lot of
Speaker 1: that was was righteous at the time, but you know,
Speaker 1: we were trying to be brothers with each other to
Speaker 1: say it don't matter, bro, we gonna split it if
Speaker 1: it's if it's if it's a hundred fifty fifty. I
Speaker 1: might have did ninety work to the work, but I'm
Speaker 1: still giving you fifty because that's how we rave. And
Speaker 1: you know a lot of that went down with Butang.
Speaker 1: We kind of just split things and try to take
Speaker 1: care of each other regardless. It went left though somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It went left by the
Speaker 1: time my album came. So I'm out here. I'm taking
Speaker 1: care of myself, you know what I'm saying, like in
Speaker 1: the jungle, doing what I got to do. But I
Speaker 1: never complained. I never cried, and never came on none
Speaker 1: of these shows and bashed nobody. I just I just
Speaker 1: if you want to say, suffered in silence, you know,
Speaker 1: I just kept pushing.
Speaker 9: Being a part of Wu Tang right, one of the
Speaker 9: biggest groups in music back in the day. What you
Speaker 9: think of versus would have looked like back in the days?
Speaker 9: Like yeah, but like going against like a public enemy
Speaker 9: w A or like groups? Yeah, Like what would you
Speaker 9: think the verses would look like back in the day.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think us we would have felt
Speaker 1: like we'd have smoked anybody. But you know, and w
Speaker 1: a way would have been Crazy dog Bone through boot
Speaker 1: Camp Click. You know, you got to figure who got
Speaker 1: enough rappers? Who who had at least nine men in
Speaker 1: the dope?
Speaker 2: I love all of them groups Who Tang would have
Speaker 2: smoked all.
Speaker 1: Of it everybody.
Speaker 2: You can't say no Limit because no Limit was like
Speaker 2: a label. Yeah, Wu Tang was a group.
Speaker 3: But you had a Cube, Dre Easy that.
Speaker 1: One that have been a good one. Yeah, all of
Speaker 1: them groups was good. But I feel like it it
Speaker 1: would have been dope for hip hop back then.
Speaker 2: You know, like what what year? What year would you
Speaker 2: even do that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 6: Where do you like?
Speaker 2: You can't? Oh please.
Speaker 6: Ninety five?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 6: We got five? Like, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like that regardless like we did, would have gave
Speaker 1: anybody the business. But you know there's some people that
Speaker 1: say they would have gave it to us. And however
Speaker 1: you feel how you feel?
Speaker 6: Family?
Speaker 10: Yeah, groups like that, you're combining, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 10: but there's no real nimble that's imagine family, That's what
Speaker 10: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Where was that solo album supposed to fall? The original
Speaker 2: solo album?
Speaker 1: It was supposed to fall right after Ray.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: So but Ray Ray decided your Ghosts come on, like
Speaker 1: because ghost was gonna come like after me or whatever
Speaker 1: the case. It was just going to go in in
Speaker 1: a row. But Ray told Ghosts, you'll come in. And
Speaker 1: I remember they went to Miami and wrote the whole
Speaker 1: Cuban links like they was really on a scar face
Speaker 1: and manny type of thing. You know, when when when
Speaker 1: when South Florida was kind of just came back with
Speaker 1: all this craziness. Man, when I heard MGM and all
Speaker 1: of that stuff, It's like I gotta come with some fire, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just mess with everything that was out
Speaker 1: just with liquid swords.
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, yeah, my album gotta gotta mass away.
Speaker 1: So I came with the Spider Man thing, like we're
Speaker 1: gonna come with all this you know, inner city type,
Speaker 1: you know, watching the city from the rooftops on some
Speaker 1: Spider Man like patrolling and yeah, it was like it
Speaker 1: was a great idea. He had some good beats protecting
Speaker 1: neck wound up being uh one of my beats. So
Speaker 1: one of the beasts that I had called natcha average
Speaker 1: flow on that album being that it got lost, it
Speaker 1: got rebamped, brought it back and it was it's protecting
Speaker 1: that and it's Dirty Brooklyn Zoo.
Speaker 2: Hold on the flood happened before thirty six Chambers.
Speaker 1: I thought the fed the flood happened at but that
Speaker 1: beat was that's stuck around for ages. I had that
Speaker 1: first for even protecting that right, and I did the song.
Speaker 1: So it's like there's a song called Nacha average Flow
Speaker 1: that we never got used. So when the flood happened,
Speaker 1: we was able to save that beat and brought it back.
Speaker 1: Protecting that has been like it's like four different songs
Speaker 1: on Dirty's album, my album saying album just brought the drum.
Speaker 2: You had a different drum pet.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah he brought it back, you know, after
Speaker 1: the flood. But yeah, like that flood, like I just
Speaker 1: had I had a dream that before I retire, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put that album out. Me and Rizz are gonna
Speaker 1: go back to the table. He's gonna produce the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and we might just call it the flood, right and
Speaker 1: just just give them what we never gave him. I've
Speaker 1: been having that vision lately to do that.
Speaker 5: I do wonder about the Rhyme book though, because you
Speaker 5: had to have a rhyme book back then. Yeah, even
Speaker 5: though you lost the music, you didn't still have old.
Speaker 6: Songs still to love. I get a bunch of them books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, I got a bunch of books in my
Speaker 1: crib right now. I don't know which ones go to which,
Speaker 1: but yeah, all those rhymes are in there, like not
Speaker 1: your average flow. I had a song called Christen.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, just all types of music, man, that I
Speaker 1: never really got to release. So I had to go
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board, figure how do I not
Speaker 1: put this back out? And some of them, some of
Speaker 1: them things. Sometimes moments in time you lose, man, you
Speaker 1: try to go back and get it, it ain't there
Speaker 1: no more. You just got to push forward. So I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's do a future version. Can't go
Speaker 1: back and get that, but me and you we can.
Speaker 1: We can lay down a good ten eleven tracks and
Speaker 1: just bombing time and leaf for real.
Speaker 3: I just want to say apologize, like were talking about before,
Speaker 3: but I'm missing things. My daughter has a pageant, so
Speaker 3: I'm out of here.
Speaker 10: But thank you, oh, thank you, thank you manratulations, congratulations, No,
Speaker 10: I appreciate you.
Speaker 5: You know, every uh, every bought up to trying verse right,
Speaker 5: and people still talk about that verse like it's a scripture.
Speaker 5: Do you ever feel pressure to live up to that
Speaker 5: one verse? Or you've made peace with the fact that
Speaker 5: was you were just in a different zone when.
Speaker 2: You did that.
Speaker 1: Nah, I'd be like, I say, check my catalog, bro,
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of triumphs. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't make the average song for the average person,
Speaker 1: so you know you might overlook it.
Speaker 6: I'm not in the strip club. You ain't playing my music,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So yeah, gilly verse on that.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a I got a song where
Speaker 1: we like, you can't party your life away, drink your
Speaker 1: life away, because you see you grow up the same way.
Speaker 1: You know, America's dying slowly. There's so many records where
Speaker 1: I'm in that same zone and I'm talking the same thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's people like what they like. You know,
Speaker 1: you like what you like. I can't control that. But
Speaker 1: if you look at my catalog, man, I got a
Speaker 1: bunch of triumphs. I got a bunch of creams. Cold
Speaker 1: World on just as album. It's like Cream Part two,
Speaker 1: you know. So these are things that I do regularly,
Speaker 1: Like if you listen to my clouds above the above
Speaker 1: the clouds, you know my new single now a Day
Speaker 1: in the Life, off the Dragon's Breath, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, fiends twitched to the beat kicks. Indeed, I
Speaker 1: sleep with machines, ripped, they thuging on the screen. Ain't
Speaker 1: seen no deep you know what. These dudes ain't been
Speaker 1: through life. They ain't experienced nothing. You Your raps come
Speaker 1: from what you've been through, you know, or even if
Speaker 1: you haven't been through it, it's somebody closer, something that
Speaker 1: you've seen or you could relate to, you know, you
Speaker 1: could rap about it. It could still be your story. But
Speaker 1: people don't do that. Man, right now, rappers microwave, I'm
Speaker 1: still from the grandma in the kitchen over the stove
Speaker 1: for twelve hours. Don't touch it, not get out the kitchen.
Speaker 1: You can't taste it till it's done. I'm still at
Speaker 1: that school.
Speaker 7: That's how this project starts, though.
Speaker 8: It's kind of like, stay out the kitchen if you
Speaker 8: can't handle And if I wasn't really step in here, y'all, wuldn't.
Speaker 7: Even really know what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or do you really know what you're about to
Speaker 1: get you about to get some healthy food. But you
Speaker 1: know you're looking for the grease, You're looking for all
Speaker 1: the you know, the MSG.
Speaker 6: I got that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so I'm like, yo, I'm we're right
Speaker 1: here home cooking. Every song is not a party record.
Speaker 1: There's songs that take you through.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I got a song called Hector, which says, you know,
Speaker 1: hustle every day. Can't trust or a live it's just
Speaker 1: an acronym, you know. Just give a shout out to
Speaker 1: my Mexican people who get their hustle on.
Speaker 6: They work. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's the skits like, you know, hustle every day. You can't.
Speaker 1: I got kids singing it because you're talking to the kids.
Speaker 2: Just gonna love that. She's married to a Mexican.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, but he black to you, Yes, he black
Speaker 9: in Mexican and he do be working a lot.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, shout out to all my hectors out there, man.
Speaker 1: And it's not derogatory, there's no disrespect. It's paying respect
Speaker 1: to you know, my Mexican people that be up in
Speaker 1: the morning hustling, getting busy bringing the other people's and
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be like twelve Mexicans on one pickup
Speaker 1: truck making moves, you know. So that's that's a shout
Speaker 1: out to them. And I'm telling my people, hustle, bro like,
Speaker 1: get up. I don't care if you got to sell
Speaker 1: you sell biscuits online, man, like do something, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Hector.
Speaker 9: The whole album right is twenty songs on these are
Speaker 9: all like compiled over time or yeah, some of them new,
Speaker 9: some of them old.
Speaker 1: Are some of them knew, some old, some some newer
Speaker 1: than you know. I was like, I went back in
Speaker 1: and did a couple of new ones, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just mostly like I went through a period in time
Speaker 1: like over the last let's say twenty fifteen, right from
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen about twenty twenty one to the cold whatever.
Speaker 1: It's going through a whole lot like like like like
Speaker 1: you know, bad relationships, breakups, different things things in life,
Speaker 1: financial struggles. And I went to a point where I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I had to my back was on
Speaker 1: the wall. You don't really have so many people to
Speaker 1: talk to. I had to. I had to go to
Speaker 1: the therapist. I had to go to the therapist. I
Speaker 1: had a court ordered therapist. And then I had a
Speaker 1: therapist that I went to myself, and I honestly didn't
Speaker 1: know how bad I needed that. I didn't know how
Speaker 1: bad I needed to talk to a therapist, to somebody
Speaker 1: with an unbiased opinion that could tell you about you
Speaker 1: based on what you gave them. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And it's not personal. And so dealing with that, man,
Speaker 1: and I had a very close friend that stuck through
Speaker 1: it with me, that helped me down make sure I
Speaker 1: was good the best way they could, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, thank you V. Thank you V. She definitely
Speaker 1: held me down on that and it just helped me
Speaker 1: see things clear. Like, yo, bro, you're your own worst
Speaker 1: sending me. You're in your own way. You could achieve
Speaker 1: anything you want to achieve.
Speaker 6: Just do it.
Speaker 1: Stop doubting yourself, have the confidence, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and have a plan.
Speaker 2: Was it childhood trauma or was it industry related trauma?
Speaker 6: Or was it I think it was a little but
Speaker 6: of everything.
Speaker 1: Man. You know, my pop's dying when I was six.
Speaker 1: You know, my mom's passed in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: I was on stage at a show in Baltimore, you know,
Speaker 1: and like you know, according to my therapist. I never
Speaker 1: processed it like my pot my mom died. I just
Speaker 1: kept moving. I kept okay. I still got to go
Speaker 1: out there and make the donuts. I still got to.
Speaker 6: Take care of all these people. I gotta do this.
Speaker 1: But I never really took time to be like my
Speaker 1: mom's past, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And staying busy as a response to trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is because as soon as you stop, yeah,
Speaker 1: now you're by yourself. You know, when you're alone, it's
Speaker 1: like now you become overwhelmed.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I remember not eating, couldn't be able to sleep. But
Speaker 1: the one thing I do remember was Nas walking up
Speaker 1: to me after that happened on stage in Baltimore. He
Speaker 1: told you he had lost his mom, I think like
Speaker 1: a year or two before, but he was just like, yo,
Speaker 1: I understand how that feels, man, Like nobody nobody can
Speaker 1: replace your mom. You know, Na's got that even killed voice.
Speaker 1: Nobody can place your mom, man, Like you know, like
Speaker 1: I feel your pain, and you know, like just him
Speaker 1: saying those little words like that, that moment kind of
Speaker 1: snapped me back to earth where I was at like okay,
Speaker 1: but trying to perform, like I know the footage is
Speaker 1: out there somewhere. I had to stop performing, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. My mom just passed. I told
Speaker 1: the crowd. I remember hearing the like collective gas, collective
Speaker 1: sigh in the building, and I walked up the stage
Speaker 1: and I just sat over there somewhere because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, my mom, My mom was like the hood.
Speaker 6: Everybody in the hood know my mom.
Speaker 1: Is sent there. You know, you can come to my
Speaker 1: if you if you my people, you can come to
Speaker 1: my house. I ain't got to be there, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like she's worked in the hospital, she's
Speaker 1: a nurse. She's telling me, hey, man, your friends such
Speaker 1: and such got shot. You know, she knew everything, but
Speaker 1: she also knew you know, keep your head on swivel,
Speaker 1: don't beat Kenny Roger, just don't count your money. While
Speaker 1: he was sitting at the table. She had all these
Speaker 1: hood jewels like to do because that's how we grew up,
Speaker 1: coming from the Bronx and stating all and so she
Speaker 1: knew the streets and so her putting me onto that
Speaker 1: and then you know, when I first got a little
Speaker 1: bit of money, you know, what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: with that? You're gonna get like a time in account,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a separate count. My mom's was like
Speaker 1: a partner, like telling me how to how to make
Speaker 1: it happen, Like what are you gonna do? What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with this money? Because easily as fast
Speaker 1: as you get it, as fast as it goes absolutely
Speaker 1: and so you know, when that happened, I you know,
Speaker 1: like I lost that person to talk to, like you know,
Speaker 1: just your your best friend. Yeah, and yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm still processing it now to be.
Speaker 8: I was gonna ask you because that battle between like
Speaker 8: I know you love music and I know you love
Speaker 8: what you doing rap, but it seems like a lot
Speaker 8: of your trauma also came from the life that you
Speaker 8: said it took from you, like and missing things and
Speaker 8: just your mom passing you on stage. There has to
Speaker 8: be some like middle point where even when you're putting
Speaker 8: out this project, it's hard for you to still love
Speaker 8: music because you also blame music as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's teetering on both sides, but it used to
Speaker 1: be bad.
Speaker 6: It used to be bad.
Speaker 1: Like now I believe I have that part under control
Speaker 1: because I'm back. I'm on like a redemption tour with
Speaker 1: my family, two kids and everybody that I wasn't around
Speaker 1: for just chasing Wu Tang. You know, I'm out in
Speaker 1: Russia where my son's born, those type of things. So
Speaker 1: now I have that chance to like to redeem myself
Speaker 1: with my children, and that's what I've been doing, Like
Speaker 1: just music is my life. But I learned how to
Speaker 1: put that secondary, you know what I mean, or put
Speaker 1: it on the scale and let it, let it teeter, right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm doing better with it now. But that's
Speaker 1: a good question because I was. I was jacked up for.
Speaker 5: A while with that, Like how do you balance it
Speaker 5: in a in a small in a way pieces cost you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like as much as Wu Tang
Speaker 1: gave me, it took a lot too, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And it's not a bad thing. It's just
Speaker 1: there's a trade off for everything, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: give and take. So you know, I had to. I
Speaker 1: had to live with the good and the bad man.
Speaker 1: So now I'm happy that I'm coming out on the
Speaker 1: better side. I'm the phoenix coming out the ash right now.
Speaker 1: I feel like with the dragons brassing, you know, and
Speaker 1: now we're just gonna remind everybody like, bro, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this.
Speaker 6: This is nothing new.
Speaker 1: So if you're feeling what's going on right now, there's
Speaker 1: more of that to come.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes protecting your peace means walking away from money, or
Speaker 5: opportunities or even relationships.
Speaker 2: What has protecting your piece costs you?
Speaker 1: Protecting my piece cost me that, like the friends, the relationships.
Speaker 1: You know. I live in Texas now, I'm away from
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm not in the clubs, I'm not in
Speaker 1: the strip spots. I like, I don't gamble. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll cost you the people you think are friends or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, people that that look to you for something
Speaker 1: other than with, you know, something useful or manipulative. You know,
Speaker 1: Like when I backed up, I started telling people no,
Speaker 1: I started getting a lot of feedback, started getting a
Speaker 1: lot of flat from people like, yo, he's switching up,
Speaker 1: he changing he is? Nah, Bro, I just I don't
Speaker 1: see no benefit in this no more, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I'm not I come back.
Speaker 6: To the hood.
Speaker 1: I see people I know I grew up with. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna stand on the block with you for four
Speaker 1: hours in front of the building like.
Speaker 6: We used to do.
Speaker 1: Because back then, I had nothing to do. So now
Speaker 1: it's too much. It's too costly for me to sit
Speaker 1: up here and get jammed up in something that you doing.
Speaker 6: So but you ain't the same, bro, I I'm basically not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, I know, I'm not gonna sacrifice myself,
Speaker 1: you know, for for others. If I'm gonna sacrifice myself,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be for me definitely, not for you know, No,
Speaker 1: five to ten.
Speaker 6: It's in the twenty in the pen, not now now if.
Speaker 1: I turn fifty six on the sixth, fifty.
Speaker 6: Six, Yeah, I'm like, I ain't trying to see jam
Speaker 6: I'm not. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're trying to be in no monkey suits. It changed
Speaker 1: up to nobody, bro. So it's like now you just
Speaker 1: you gotta get out there and you got to show love,
Speaker 1: give respect and you can hope that it comes in
Speaker 1: return because I ain't guarantee, but you still got to
Speaker 1: go out there and walk your and walk your path.
Speaker 5: I love the fact that you're honest about how you
Speaker 5: felt about other group members' success, right because you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of times people could be a part of
Speaker 5: a group. You know, in certain individuals in that group
Speaker 5: may have more success than others, and you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know how to deal with that.
Speaker 5: They end up projecting, you know, their actual jealousy and.
Speaker 6: Then be on the real feelings.
Speaker 2: I ain't you know what's not happening for you.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's exactly what it is. Like those brothers,
Speaker 1: my brothers have nothing to do with what happened or
Speaker 1: didn't happen with me. Most of my brothers supported me
Speaker 1: on my journey, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm honest with me now. And it took
Speaker 1: a while to get here. You know, like you're lie
Speaker 1: to yourself, you're gonna lie to everybody else, know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it took a while for me to
Speaker 1: get here, to be so honest with myself that it
Speaker 1: don't matter what you think. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: tell you what it is. Yeah, I went through depression.
Speaker 1: I went through I had to see the therapist, lost
Speaker 1: my family was living in an empty house for a while,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. I went through all
Speaker 1: them things. I went through that fire, the trials, Like,
Speaker 1: but it's dope when you can come out of that,
Speaker 1: and you can come out of that a better person.
Speaker 1: You can come out of that with a better mind state.
Speaker 1: And always say like I'm a work in progress. I'm
Speaker 1: not sitting here acting like I got it, Dawn Pack,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like I just I had
Speaker 1: a revelation though, and it was like, Yo, you are
Speaker 1: your own worst enemy, but you can change that.
Speaker 8: So when you first started this, it was like, all right,
Speaker 8: the world needs to know about my gift. Then everything
Speaker 8: happens with the flood, the rebel is born. But like,
Speaker 8: who are you now?
Speaker 7: In music?
Speaker 8: Like what is the you know, there's always like these
Speaker 8: different phases.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I just think I'm a dope artist. Man.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a dope artist. I think I could
Speaker 1: do anything I want to do. I got records out
Speaker 1: there where you know you're not. You wouldn't even think
Speaker 1: that was me.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: I just did a record with Nicole Bus. If you're
Speaker 1: familiar with the whole Bus. She has this big, strong voice.
Speaker 1: She's working with our DJ A long mathematics to the
Speaker 1: song with her called Reasons. And it took me out
Speaker 1: of my normal box to create something else, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a dope record. So I'm just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just a a dope artist. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely a creative, you know, intelligent black man on this planet.
Speaker 1: And I'm just I feel like whatever I apply my
Speaker 1: brain to, I could accomplish it, and accomplish it well
Speaker 1: well enough to be like, Yo, he's good at that,
Speaker 1: you know, and just being being a father, being, being
Speaker 1: a good partner. You know. I'm humble, you know, but
Speaker 1: in the music game, I'm still that threat. I feel
Speaker 1: like that like any beat, any rapper. I'm not out
Speaker 1: here trying to cause beefs or any of that with anybody,
Speaker 1: but I feel I can go to toe anybody, toe
Speaker 1: to toe if my name is mentioned. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of wanting somebody to mention in my name, you know,
Speaker 1: steal some sneak, sneak back in on some relevance right now,
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: How often do you get mistaken for JB.
Speaker 6: Smooth all the time.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I need JB. Smooth to
Speaker 1: pull up somewhere. We need to do something somewhere. I've
Speaker 1: heard that so many times. I even was on the
Speaker 1: plane acting like, yeah, I'm JM.
Speaker 6: Smooth.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I would love to do something where he's
Speaker 1: me and I'm him. You know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do comedy or he's trying to rap or
Speaker 1: you know, that would be something dope. But yeah, shout
Speaker 1: out to that brother I get. I get him all
Speaker 1: the time, and even now I get Sinko, which is funny.
Speaker 7: M hm.
Speaker 9: I would say trade the truth you in Texas yea, but.
Speaker 2: I see from goddamn Kirby enthusiastic.
Speaker 5: Definitely sure that I get that all the time.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 1: So to the point where I'm like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: You know, you know Wu Tang taught us that individuality
Speaker 5: can coexist with brotherhood, right. You think in today's music
Speaker 5: as artists know how to build collectives anymore?
Speaker 2: Or is everything just too individualistic?
Speaker 1: I don't think they want collectors. I don't think the
Speaker 1: industry want the collective at that too. You know, having
Speaker 1: like like Mutang coming today with ten brothers who feel
Speaker 1: like you know they right, just they got knowledge yourself,
Speaker 1: you coming in here trying to be your own industry.
Speaker 1: I don't even think that would work today. They probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign all nine of us. They're to try to
Speaker 1: break meth and dirty and everybody up from off top
Speaker 1: in the beginning.
Speaker 8: And then deal Rezi did in the beginning kind of
Speaker 8: set y'all up for solo stuff too. That probably wouldn't
Speaker 8: be as possible.
Speaker 1: That probably wouldn't be possible neither, because in this state,
Speaker 1: you probably want to keep that all in one pot, right,
Speaker 1: if you're going to be in control, like, the last
Speaker 1: you want to do is let everybody go their own way.
Speaker 1: Steve Rifkins was was dope for that. Shout out Steve Rifkins,
Speaker 1: because nobody else was going to do that at the time.
Speaker 1: I remember going up to offices with Rizza getting shot down.
Speaker 1: My boy, what's that dude's name? Pendulum Records used to
Speaker 1: have uh, Diggable Planets.
Speaker 6: Right, Rodriguez Rodriguez.
Speaker 1: I remember him specifically because he was at Pendlam Records.
Speaker 1: He went up there and he told us that we
Speaker 1: should sound more like Digable Planets were playing them the
Speaker 1: same records, pro taking that cream all that. How you
Speaker 1: guys should be like this. You know, I'm cool like that,
Speaker 1: smooth like that. In no disrespect to them, because I
Speaker 1: like that record.
Speaker 2: No y'all didn't do that. If y'all tried.
Speaker 6: We're not from that.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not our lyrical, genetic makeup, you know,
Speaker 1: like we do we can't, we can't do nothing like that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like you're telling us to
Speaker 1: be that at a time where KRS was like assaulting
Speaker 1: PM Dawns and all not, you know, the hip hop,
Speaker 1: the hardcore EPMD crossover, you know, it was around those times.
Speaker 6: So we like, we can't do that, bro.
Speaker 1: But I remember him specifically like almost kicking us out
Speaker 1: the office because naw, this ain't what we want's there's
Speaker 1: too many people. How are you gonna split the money?
Speaker 1: It was like, why you ain't about how we're gonna
Speaker 1: split the money? It was just crazy. But I remember
Speaker 1: him specifically because he was like, now that's not it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's never gonna work. That's never gonna work. You know
Speaker 1: you guys, it's nice talking to you, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like next and just seeing him later on
Speaker 1: in life, like you know, you never had nothing after
Speaker 1: Diggable Planets.
Speaker 6: Wow, But you were telling us to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're trying to switch us, I was saying,
Speaker 1: and we're like, nah, but we don't do that.
Speaker 6: But that was like the what.
Speaker 1: We faced in the beginning, trying to even shop Bulltang
Speaker 1: with nine em c's. You got these songs and no
Speaker 1: hooks on a lot of them. At that time, you know,
Speaker 1: everything was so structured. You know, it's radio friendly, and
Speaker 1: you know you had to make you had to make
Speaker 1: records for the Hot nine at five, the Hot five
Speaker 1: or nine, the Hot twelve or twelve, like it was.
Speaker 1: It was a different scene at that time.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Now I don't even I don't even hear none of that.
Speaker 1: No more like countdowns and you know it's it's just
Speaker 1: dance challenges off of records, off tiktoks mostly now. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, y'all can tell me better, Like how
Speaker 1: do y'all like the music?
Speaker 6: Like y'all got to play?
Speaker 5: It's I mean, I'm not rated, but there's a lot
Speaker 5: of dope ship out there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of dope ass lyricists, like especially young lyrics.
Speaker 5: Guys like Marco Plus you got you know, he's from Atlanta.
Speaker 5: You got guys like Ruby Vincent from Charlotte, you got
Speaker 5: like podcast from you know, Brooklyn. Like it's it's some
Speaker 5: really dope season. Yeah, but you gotta find you gotta
Speaker 5: find him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, I believe that. I believe that one of
Speaker 6: my favors.
Speaker 1: I like call Day, I just make dope.
Speaker 8: He's dope musically and as a person. I was just
Speaker 8: watching an interview that about mental health and getting into that, Like,
Speaker 8: I think he's like a well rounded like brand of
Speaker 8: an artist and that isn't as common to it's not common.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw him at a Dave Chapelle concert and just
Speaker 1: kicked it with a real quick a lot. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: moving with Dave, yeah together. Yeah, he's a smart kid man,
Speaker 1: smart dude. I was like, he'd be a dope dude
Speaker 1: to do a song with, like falty young generation.
Speaker 2: But do you think humility has helped your longevity?
Speaker 5: Has it been something that kept you from like I
Speaker 5: guess getting the credit.
Speaker 2: You deserve.
Speaker 6: The question.
Speaker 1: I mean it could, it could, it could see the tide.
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it more helped me survive
Speaker 1: more than it like cut that cut any opportunities for me,
Speaker 1: because it definitely did both. But survival is key out here,
Speaker 1: and you know longevity. Survival is key to longevity and
Speaker 1: vice versa. I don't think that I saturated the game
Speaker 1: so much and put out a whole bunch of like
Speaker 1: garbage to the point where nobody wants to listen to me. Now,
Speaker 1: I think I put out enough to between my solo career,
Speaker 1: wou tank career, and now so our face. I think
Speaker 1: I made new fans. I think I resurrected my name
Speaker 1: a little bit. And you know, and for me, it
Speaker 1: was never the fame chase, man like. For me, this
Speaker 1: was all about putting food on the table for my kids,
Speaker 1: getting out the hood, doing better in life, and setting
Speaker 1: them up so that they didn't have to go through
Speaker 1: you know, the pissy elevator and all that. You know,
Speaker 1: hoods on the staircase and the elevator ain't working. So
Speaker 1: you know, giving my giving my kids that better life
Speaker 1: was kind of my goal and my aim. And to
Speaker 1: give my mom that, you know, she passed away, so
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to do that. But you know, those
Speaker 1: are the reasons I really got into this game. And
Speaker 1: you know, struggling growing up, not having a whole lot.
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, I want my mom to be like,
Speaker 1: just wake up and go plant in the garden. Just
Speaker 1: go back a water your flowers. And stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like my mom's working for
Speaker 1: three four jobs for us growing up, that type of mother,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you're gonna eat before me. We got
Speaker 1: a sandwich, she's gonna bust it down and we're gonna eat.
Speaker 1: But she don't eat nothing. You know. I'm like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: he go take my half back. I'm gonna go get it,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's always been my mentality.
Speaker 5: I think as a Wu Tang fan me me speaking,
Speaker 5: I feel like Deck never got his proper shot.
Speaker 2: Being that he never got his proper shot.
Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to even rink it's placed because
Speaker 5: you know he's dope. You know he kills You've heard
Speaker 5: him killed so many you know, Wu Tang albums. But
Speaker 5: we also know that there is this masterpiece that got
Speaker 5: lost in this flood.
Speaker 2: So where do you even.
Speaker 1: I'm like a I'm like an NBA player that made
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but they ain't get the ring.
Speaker 1: I didn't get my own chick. That's all that I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't it doesn't take away from the from
Speaker 1: the from my stats, you know, or the work I put.
Speaker 2: In, because that that you're part of the Wu Tang core.
Speaker 5: I know people say math and Ghost to my favorite
Speaker 5: rapping of course Ray and Just, but you can't have
Speaker 5: that core without.
Speaker 1: And not saying my name. And I'm good with that.
Speaker 8: The talent is there, and a lot of the stuff
Speaker 8: that was happening around the time where you would have
Speaker 8: came back with the album wasn't under Like you can't
Speaker 8: control that, Like there was a lot going on that
Speaker 8: you were trying to come up within at the moment.
Speaker 1: And add on to that, you're not really knowing like
Speaker 1: the game, Like that's kind of like just feeling your
Speaker 1: way around in the dark, you know, until you grab
Speaker 1: something that's like okay. But that that itself was one
Speaker 1: of the lessons I need to learn, Like, yo, you
Speaker 1: learn your own strength, you learn your own value out
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 8: That was around the time too, when you were supposed
Speaker 8: to drop your album, when all the radio stuff was
Speaker 8: happening with y'all right where they weren't playing certain songs.
Speaker 6: On the radio, playing the radio ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Then we found out later there was
Speaker 1: forces behind that that was making that happen. Yeah, saw
Speaker 1: the Shadow band it was for what there was so
Speaker 1: wide you heard what she said.
Speaker 7: That it was because of Diddy? Is that was that
Speaker 7: really a thing?
Speaker 6: That's what I heard.
Speaker 1: I heard the did stir.
Speaker 2: Diddler the Diddler. The boy was so red hot that
Speaker 2: he just didn't want nobody else.
Speaker 1: He didn't want bu Tang being. I guess we was
Speaker 1: in New York fight, you know, fight for New York
Speaker 1: who's supremacy over that? And they was bad boy was dope.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like we was looking at them too,
Speaker 1: you know, Biggie with the hypnotized billion dollar video and
Speaker 1: you know everything he was doing, like yo, them them
Speaker 1: dudes is dope. They competition if we're gonna make it
Speaker 1: like that, But you know, we didn't really look at
Speaker 1: it to say they's gonna be such a problem. We
Speaker 1: need to shut them down, right, Like we got to
Speaker 1: start paying people to not play they records, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 6: Then to learn that later on, like that's the reason why, like.
Speaker 1: You had you had a bunch of hits that hits,
Speaker 1: it hits after hits total to I mean, mag Magic, Biggie,
Speaker 1: everybody right, one twelve, yeah, everything, little old us from
Speaker 1: Staten Allen.
Speaker 6: That's how we was feeling. But then you know, we
Speaker 6: got them.
Speaker 9: Y'all impactfool though, like y'all had man, I can see
Speaker 9: why y'all were competition, or he would think y'all were
Speaker 9: competition like.
Speaker 6: Dogs on us.
Speaker 9: People referred to Wu Tang as a lifestyle at one point,
Speaker 9: like it's the whole thing, really big, what's.
Speaker 5: The whole I gotta I want to ask Ghost about that.
Speaker 5: But I want to ask him, well, why did you
Speaker 5: still do records with him? Remember Ghost was on special
Speaker 5: Delivery remakes, like you know he was. He did a
Speaker 5: couple of joints, A couple of joints.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, you might have to ask Ghost.
Speaker 1: I like that joint he did with Delivery, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand why they was like trying to shut
Speaker 1: the shut the clan down. Well, yeah, later on I
Speaker 1: could see why. It's just like, yeah, math forgot we
Speaker 1: got different people who are you.
Speaker 6: Know, in that class.
Speaker 1: And even when Ray and Ghosts and Biggie and Nas,
Speaker 1: remember they had their little thing going around and that
Speaker 1: was that was dope too for me, Like because I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there watching all these you know, all these are
Speaker 1: all my people's and they're subliminally doing this. Nobody's saying names,
Speaker 1: you know with you know Ray Goes. They never said
Speaker 1: Biggie name on the Apple.
Speaker 2: He was so obvious on the Shock, But.
Speaker 6: Biggie responded that he never said Ray name.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, that wasn't the leprech What line was it.
Speaker 1: You was talking about? Yo, these dudes getting money now,
Speaker 1: like you know did He was saying it too, like
Speaker 1: you know, everybody get where did they get money from?
Speaker 1: The record was a victory or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were all speaking to each other on low key
Speaker 1: indirectly without saying names. And you know, Nas was in
Speaker 1: the middle, like, you know, Na's no Biggie an't nowhere
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 6: So he was just like, you know, what do I do?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 1: I love all of y'all, like I'm gonna fall back,
Speaker 1: And the Biggie got mad at Nas, and Nas on
Speaker 1: the other record took about it. You know, I had
Speaker 1: to put it in the right and to keep me
Speaker 1: and Biggie, he had to put in writing to keep
Speaker 1: me and Brooklyn from fighting.
Speaker 6: When he's talking about the BIGEF.
Speaker 1: I was just listening to that Wild Survived. So it
Speaker 1: was like there's a bunch of records with subliminal shots
Speaker 1: going at each other and then it is somebody really caught.
Speaker 6: Okay, but for me, I'm like this is dope.
Speaker 1: Then Biggie called Meth to do the what right. So
Speaker 1: if there's beef going on, SOI beef And like you said,
Speaker 1: dudes is doing records together.
Speaker 8: I don't know, Like you know, on the Bootleg CAMF
Speaker 8: podcast where ghost Face staid it that was in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty five, he said that Rizzid just told him that
Speaker 8: a year like a year ago, so he was saying
Speaker 8: that he didn't know distinctively that that had happened until
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four. But if you're telling me what you're
Speaker 8: saying right now, it's like y'all knew. Maybe I didn't
Speaker 8: know it was that to that extent, but there was
Speaker 8: like creative competition outre.
Speaker 1: Yeah we knew that part. We didn't know until Rizzard
Speaker 1: told us that we was being blocked. Yeah, like you
Speaker 1: know there was payola involved too, Like we're paying these
Speaker 1: people not to play our records.
Speaker 8: So do you think because I've always heard stories about
Speaker 8: like around like ninety nine or something like that, like
Speaker 8: the there was like a like the fanfare around you
Speaker 8: guys kind of started to like kind of lay low
Speaker 8: a bit.
Speaker 5: Was that?
Speaker 8: Is that a real thing or is that like a
Speaker 8: folk tell like off? Yeah, but do you think that
Speaker 8: that what do you where you think? Do you think
Speaker 8: that that was orchestrated by people because y'all were really big?
Speaker 8: Or do you think I've always heard that you guys
Speaker 8: oversaturated the market, which I don't know if I feel
Speaker 8: like that's a real thing now because now everybody idolizes
Speaker 8: you guys as like legends and not real people.
Speaker 5: So how there was never a time where Wu Tang
Speaker 5: fell off?
Speaker 2: Now, let's not get crapy.
Speaker 1: I heard everything, man, Wu Tang fell off. They washed
Speaker 1: nice white people music. Now you know you've heard everything,
Speaker 1: But I'm like white people music, white people like, you know,
Speaker 1: only white people come to our shows and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, yo, there was a time where everything
Speaker 1: we did was hood. It was one hundred deep in
Speaker 1: every club with Wu Tang shirts on, right. That got
Speaker 1: it to the level of us being able to play
Speaker 1: the white venue. So then we get to that level
Speaker 1: of playing the white venues, then we start selling out
Speaker 1: the white venues.
Speaker 6: Now the black venues are like they Hollywood. Now, what
Speaker 6: can you do?
Speaker 1: You know, what I'm saying, like if we go from
Speaker 1: if we go from Joe's Pub in the hood to
Speaker 1: taking it to a twenty five thousand amphitheater, that's growth
Speaker 1: and progression. That's growth and development. Like you can't knock that.
Speaker 1: It don't matter if green people was coming to see it.
Speaker 1: I don't care if aliens come rock with us. That's
Speaker 1: who we're doing it. We're doing it for the aliens now.
Speaker 1: But they'll say that we fell off because of that transition.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, Like we was going on tour with Rage
Speaker 1: against the Machine, you know, when the Hot ninety seven
Speaker 1: thing happened. So you know, how could you where's the
Speaker 1: fall off?
Speaker 2: It can't be a fall off. It was Wu Tang forever.
Speaker 5: That was the mindset always, And Laurence said ninety nine,
Speaker 5: Supreme Clientele came out in ninety nine, So Supreme Clientel
Speaker 5: is probably I like Alron Man, but it's probably goes
Speaker 5: to the best body of work, right, So when you
Speaker 5: think about.
Speaker 2: That, that's still Wu Tang.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like y'all people were still featured on those albums
Speaker 5: like that, Like that was all wood to me.
Speaker 1: But I think I think what she's talking about is
Speaker 1: like the the affiliates and everything else, like it maybe
Speaker 1: a Killer Army or Sons of Man or you know,
Speaker 1: one of these groups that come under the Wu Tang flag.
Speaker 1: I felt like that too. I felt like it's too saturated.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of dudes coming under the name,
Speaker 1: and you're making it hard for me. Bro, I was.
Speaker 8: Wondering how you felt in all of that, right, because
Speaker 8: you're still trying to like get back what you felt
Speaker 8: like had happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but before I could drop my album, we got
Speaker 1: you know, Wu Tang Central America Group, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like and then the fans don't
Speaker 1: take to that. So now my album goes through heat
Speaker 1: coming out, you know. So I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: dealing with all of that, Bro, I was just like
Speaker 1: to me, and I purposely sat down for a second.
Speaker 1: I purposely sat down. I didn't put the music out.
Speaker 1: I felt like I had some bad contracts early on.
Speaker 1: Let me figure this out. I'm gonna do this independent.
Speaker 1: I'm not signing them on contracts. And then I started
Speaker 1: putting out you know, zar Face through Brick Records and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, was able to eat. Zar
Speaker 1: Face kept me alive when Bu Tang wasn't working, you know,
Speaker 1: and then inspected that would come out and pop out
Speaker 1: and do shows and do different things that when zar
Speaker 1: Fase ain't active. So I had the blessing to be
Speaker 1: able to manage those three avenues. But yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: just trying to drop in the MIXICU even. I remember
Speaker 1: before I dropped un Control Substance cap Donna dropped the
Speaker 1: Pillars cap Donna was locked up. So the trajectory for
Speaker 1: me was to just come right out. I just came
Speaker 1: home and and dropped before me. Then there was a
Speaker 1: little controversy with that, like how did this? And you
Speaker 1: know in the in the Hulu series, you see me
Speaker 1: give the vine back the keys to the wo Man's
Speaker 1: in the jersey. I'm out of here. That's a real story.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what am I sticking around for? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm not. I'm not I'm not a
Speaker 1: role player. That's how I felt like, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I felt like I could get twenty
Speaker 1: five starting, but y'all want me to get ten off
Speaker 1: the bench. Okay, I'll do that for a while, but
Speaker 1: after after a while, then you're watching the starters. They
Speaker 1: not putting up twenty five no more. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I feel like you should switch it up, switch the lineup.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you when it's a family owned business,
Speaker 1: if you ain't got the last name, you don't.
Speaker 6: Even don't even make a menu suggestion change.
Speaker 1: You know, like if you ain't got the same last
Speaker 1: name as the family owned business, don't suggest nothing because
Speaker 1: you can be replaced like that. You know, Oh you
Speaker 1: don't like our menu. You know, we had this menu
Speaker 1: here for you know, one hundred years in the family peace.
Speaker 1: So that's how that's how things are when you don't
Speaker 1: own you know.
Speaker 6: I we me personally.
Speaker 1: I never owned any of the Wu Tang music. I
Speaker 1: didn't really know the publishing game until I started putting
Speaker 1: the albums outside of Wu Tang. So, like you know,
Speaker 1: in the long run of things, like yeah, ownership is big.
Speaker 1: If you're not owning what you're doing, you're just out
Speaker 1: here working for somebody and it could be your brother,
Speaker 1: you know. At the same time, Yo, bro, I'm out
Speaker 1: of this contract. Love you to death, but I got
Speaker 1: to go. I want to build my own house. I
Speaker 1: don't want to live in the house, but.
Speaker 8: From the stories I've always heard, though it seemed like
Speaker 8: Rizzo was always and like the rest of y'all were
Speaker 8: always collaborative and open when people had pushback about things,
Speaker 8: regardless of ownership or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have.
Speaker 1: We've had our classes and we've had our demonstrations. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, there were stories about
Speaker 1: Riz of robbing us and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 1: was saying, like, I don't have I don't recall any
Speaker 1: personal story of them robbing me. Now, there was times
Speaker 1: where money went here when they should have been there,
Speaker 1: and things like that, and all that, you know, to
Speaker 1: me got rectified. Butang doesn't owe me any money and
Speaker 1: you know, publishing or anything like that. So I'm out
Speaker 1: of I'm at a clean slate. I got out.
Speaker 6: I got out of the contract long time ago.
Speaker 7: You've been out since like twenty ten, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been a free agent. I do this because
Speaker 1: I want to, And you know that's something mef tol
Speaker 1: me do it because you want to now, because you
Speaker 1: have to, you know, so you have to. You have
Speaker 1: to make that your priority, Like I have fun with it.
Speaker 1: If you're not having fun with it, and you just
Speaker 1: do it as stressful as why do it?
Speaker 5: You know, what do you want your legacy to be
Speaker 5: one of the greatest lyricists, a great man, or just
Speaker 5: something else?
Speaker 1: In time?
Speaker 6: I'm still writing my chapters.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm writing a book right now, doing a documentary,
Speaker 1: and I'm in search of a title, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: in search of a title that best describes this journey,
Speaker 1: you know. And I had like a ibamatomically and things
Speaker 1: like that. I don't want to be cliche. It just
Speaker 1: it could be like the life and Times of Jason Hunter,
Speaker 1: like as simple as that, because that's what it really is.
Speaker 1: It's just describe. And you know, me before Woultang, I'm
Speaker 1: Cynthia's son, you know. I'm born in the seventies. I'm
Speaker 1: a child of the pro Black movement. You know. I
Speaker 1: feel like my soul is still intact. I'm not walking
Speaker 1: around here like a zombie.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I say, if you ain't feeling this, check your post.
Speaker 1: That's another one of my slowes. You ain't feeling this
Speaker 1: right here, check your posts. Man, you might be a zombie.
Speaker 1: You might be walking dead.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: We walk around people don't feel things no more right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Another thing that I hate is this grown man thing right,
Speaker 1: and it's just like I could do like this. How
Speaker 1: you looking at another grown man's computer put the grown
Speaker 1: man in front of you to the pause is crazy?
Speaker 1: My guy with me shot out my bro health fire.
Speaker 1: He's like pause, can't even catching pauses that you didn't
Speaker 1: even know existed. You know, he be catching stuff or
Speaker 1: the front end of the day. It's like it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: But you know, nah, it's just the grown man. You're
Speaker 1: watching another grown man's You know, he painted his fingernails.
Speaker 1: Why you want around another grown man fingernails?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: Who said I was worried? I'm just making I just
Speaker 1: noticed you got the black sparkly joint on it. But
Speaker 1: you know that that's for them. Man, I ain't.
Speaker 6: I never painted my nails. I don't think I ever will.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just not to me. It's not masculine.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still from the masculine school of man.
Speaker 1: I don't care call me. People call me toxic all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a rebel, that's what it is. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like I'm gonna put my foot down. You know,
Speaker 1: women nowadays to call you sassy if you say.
Speaker 9: Something you know what I mean, Like, yeah, like they
Speaker 9: were just talking about we had a topic today. We
Speaker 9: was talking about washing gas.
Speaker 2: Like, man, I heard y'all.
Speaker 1: I meant to bring the twenty four pack of Pauses
Speaker 1: in for y'all. I heard some crazy watch it, No
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 6: I didn't listen to none of that.
Speaker 8: About worry about another girl man wants.
Speaker 6: But now, you know, it's just.
Speaker 1: That that's crazy, ain't it. That's crazy. That's a new generation, bro.
Speaker 1: I just you know then, like you said, you got
Speaker 1: to have a couple of rags too. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't put your don't put your body rag on your face?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I get, I get where y'all coming from. But yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people do a lot
Speaker 1: of weird stuff now, man, you can't even gauge it.
Speaker 2: You know, well suspected deck Man, Dragon's Breakfast.
Speaker 1: Out right now, Dragon's Breath. We got the single Day
Speaker 1: in the Life out produced by p Dre. That videos out, man,
Speaker 1: it's doing real goods, doing real nice got the internet buzzing.
Speaker 1: Dropping another single Friday called Shaling Rebel Part two. I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna that's gonna wake hip hop up. If
Speaker 1: I'm predicting this right because it's got a wu tang
Speaker 1: sounds produced for up and coming Kenya Highness. That's another
Speaker 1: thing when you hear my music, I don't always got
Speaker 1: to reach for the famous names, the producers or artists.
Speaker 1: I like to give people a shot. You know, I
Speaker 1: might have met you in the train station. Next you know,
Speaker 1: I got a song which you know, it's just more.
Speaker 1: That's my way of giving back or lending my voice
Speaker 1: to somebody else's struggle, you know. And uh, yeah, the
Speaker 1: album eight seven August seventh, my son Elijah's birthday, you know,
Speaker 1: he'll be nineteen. And uh, then we got I was born. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then right after that we got a czarre face
Speaker 1: with Frankie Pullitzer featuring Frankie Puller. I know what Frankie
Speaker 1: Pullerser is. You know, we can't say the name face Puller,
Speaker 1: but oh no, wow.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know what's.
Speaker 1: Pause panky Pullers. We don't call him frank Frankie pull
Speaker 1: that's like soul snatcher, soul snatcher, that's a pause no no,
Speaker 1: no no.
Speaker 7: But I'm saying like, if you fake, if you nowhere, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know the pause laws, the laws of.
Speaker 2: Inspected deck is the breakfast club.
Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.
Speaker 2: Click your glass up, the breakfast club you
Speaker 1: Don't finished for y'all done,