1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: Welcome at his verdict was Senator Ted Cruz. Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: with you and Senator, We've got a fun podcast for everybody. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a guest tonight and that is going 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: to be Dave McCormick. He has got a new book out, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Superpower in Peril of Battle Plan to Renew America. He's 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: going to join us in a moment to talk about 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: this and the timeliness of this book is spot on. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Dealing with China right now. But before we get to that, 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: we've got a victory to celebrate. You got a letter 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: back about a previous podcast that we did exposing a 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: federal judge that was shut down at one of the 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: Ivy League schools. I'll let you take it from there 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: on this victory lap. Well, sure, now this is yet 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: another victory. It's been a good week. We keep having big, 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 1: big wins. This of course, concerned Stanford Law School and 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: something we've talked about at length on the podcast, which 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: is Judge Kyle Duncan went out to Stanford Law School. 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: He was speaking there, was invited by the Federalist Society 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: and a group of left wing activists showed up there. 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: They protested there. They screamed at him, they cursed at him, 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: they made sexually profane attacks at him, They shouted him down, 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: They prevented him from giving his speech. It was outrageous. 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: It then became even worse because he asked, quite reasonably, 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: is there anyone from the administration here? And the Dean 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: for d EI for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion stepped forward, 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: and he for a moment thought, oh good, there's an 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: adult in the room who will actually stop them from 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: shouting me down. Well. No, It turned out the Dean 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: had a prepared screed six minutes that she read from 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: where she sided with the protester. She denounced the judge. 31 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: She said how painful his very existence was. She kept saying. 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Her odd phrase was is the juice worse the squeeze? 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: In other words, is it worth it to let you speak? 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Because our sensitive natures will be troubled? It was outrageous. 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: We talked about it at length. In response, I did 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: several things. One of the things I did is I 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: sent a letter to the Texas State Bar urging the 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: Texas State Bar to inquire of every graduate of Stanford 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: for the next three years whether they participated in screaming 40 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: and harassing and shouting down and cursing at the federal judge. 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: Because to be a member of the bar, the bar 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: has to make a determination that you have the character 43 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: and fitness to do so. And if you don't know 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: how to deal with a federal judge without screaming and 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: cursing at him, you are not, in my view, fit 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: to be a member of the bar. A second letter 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: I sent was to Stanford Law School, and Stanford Law 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: School has a free speech policy. The policy, on the 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: face of is quite good. It says that you have 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: a right to free speech, that speakers that come to 51 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: Stanford have a right to be heard, that the people 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: who want to hear the speakers have a right to 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: hear what they have to say, and that students don't 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: have a right to shout them down. And I asked Stanford, 55 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: I said, number one, what are you going to do 56 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: concerning the specific students who violated this policy? Is there 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: going to be any discipline? And number two, what are 58 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: you going to do with this dean who defied Stanford's 59 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: policy and sided with the aggressive protesters rather than the 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: right of the speaker. The federal judge to give his remarks, well, 61 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: we got a response back from Stanford Law School on 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: March twenty second. March twenty second happens to be my 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: dad's eighty fourth birthday, and so I thought it was 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: a great birthday present because, much to my astonishment, I'm 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: actually going to say something nice about Stanford Law School. 66 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: It is a letter from the President of Stanford University 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: and a letter from the Dean of Stanford Law School, 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: woman named Jenny Martinez, who actually went to law school 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: with I know Jenny. She was a year behind me, 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: I think in law school. She's now the dean of 71 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: the Stanford Law School. And their letter broke the news 72 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: number one that the dean has been suspended. And this 73 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: is a big deal. I asked specifically about the dean, 74 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: and I'm going to quote from the letter. The response is, 75 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Associate Dean tien Steinbach is currently on leave. Generally speaking, 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the university does not comment publicly on pending personnel matters. 77 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: That's a big deal for a so called elite law 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: school like Stanford Law School to take their high priestess 79 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: of diversity and put her on leave for stifling free speech. Now, 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: mind you, she completely defied the university policy but in 81 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: today's left wing, woke culture, it is remarkable and I'm 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: going to say Stanford is to be commended for holding 83 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: its deans to the standard of following school policy. And 84 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: then secondly, with regard to the students, what Stanford said 85 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: in response is they said they're not going to discipline 86 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: the individual students. I was disappointed at that, but their reasoning, 87 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: as they said, because we had an administ they're a 88 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: dean who refuse to follow our own policy, so we're 89 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: not going to hold the students responsible. I don't entirely 90 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: agree with that, but it wasn't a crazy thing they said. 91 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: But here's what also they said. In summary, the university 92 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: is taking the following steps to address these issues in 93 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: the near term. One, staff will receive additional training on 94 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: the role of any administrator's president events to ensure that 95 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: university rules on disruption of events will be followed. Two. 96 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: We will also adopt a more explicit policy with clear 97 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: protocols for dealing with disruptions that will better protect the 98 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: rights of speakers and also those who wish to exercise 99 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: their right to protest within permissible bounds. This will bring 100 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: greater clarity and certainty about future enforcement of the policy, 101 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: including through disciplinary sanctions as appropriate. Three currently enrolled law 102 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: students will attend a mandatory half day session on the 103 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: topic of freedom of speech and the norms of the 104 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: legal profession. These sessions will include speakers representing a range 105 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: of viewpoints. And four a committee will work during the 106 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: spring quarter here feedback from the faculty, students, and members 107 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: of the bar, including our alumni, and make further recommendations 108 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: on the steps that the law school should take. This 109 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: is a big deal. It's a big victory the fact 110 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: that these woke, angry leftists are going to be required 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: from the school to learn about free speech, to learn. Look, 112 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: if you're training to be a member of the bar 113 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: and you want to appear before a federal judge, you 114 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: may disagree with the federal judge. You may hate the 115 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: federal judge. You may think the federal judge's rulings are 116 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: wrong in every respect. But if you stand up and 117 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: start yelling and screaming and cursing at the federal judge, 118 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: you better a broad a toothbrush, because you are going 119 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: to jail, and you're going to be held in contempt 120 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: of court. And I'm going to commend Stanford. What happened 121 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: there was disgraceful, but their response candidly surprised me. And 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: it gives some degree of hope that that that free 123 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: speech is possible and that maybe maybe maybe the pendulum 124 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: of the woke schools maybe starting to swing back the 125 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: other direction, especially since we've seen so many different speeches 126 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: be stifled or canceled at universities over the last couple 127 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: of years, especially conservative speakers. Let's just be clear about that, 128 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: is that this is a good moment for free speech, 129 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: as you described it, and it's a moment that we 130 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: should all celebrate. I want to get into this other issue. 131 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: You have a good friend, uh with you tonight who's 132 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: got a new book that is that is out right now. 133 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: You should get your hands on this book, especially with 134 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: what we're dealing with with China right now. Dave McCormick's 135 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: new book is out, Superpower and Peril, Battle Plan to 136 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: Renew America. 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The timing couldn't have been better, Dave. 168 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Verdict, first of off, and you've got to 169 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: be excited to see not only your book come out, 170 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: but also the timing of it with what's happening right 171 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: now with China. Hey, Ben, thanks so much for having 172 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: me and Senator thanks for having me on today. Yeah, 173 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: the timing couldn't be perfect. It could be more perfect. 174 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Rather the that we're at a tipping point here. America's 175 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: in decline, and we see that decline with then in 176 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: terms of our economic situation, our national security capability, and 177 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: spiritually what's going on in the country in terms of 178 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: progressive ideology chipping away at American strength and some fundamentals 179 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: of America. But at the very same time we see 180 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: this huge existential challenge from China, and it's getting worse 181 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: by the day. In the last couple of weeks, there 182 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: was an article in the Wall Street Journal that cited 183 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: a study by an Australian think tank that identified forty 184 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: four technologies that are critical for economic growth and national security. 185 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: The Chinese were in the lead in thirty seven of 186 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: the forty four, according to this Australian think tank. And 187 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: more than the technological capability, China is pursuing a strategy 188 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: to displace America as the superpower. And that's what this 189 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: book is about superpower and peril, is that our status 190 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: in the world, our leadership at home, and our status 191 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: in the world is in question. And you only have 192 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: to look at the news this week, where in the 193 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: very same week you saw the Chinese brokering a deal 194 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: between Saudi Arabia and Iran, and you saw China Chinese 195 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: leader she in Russia in partnership with Putin, in support 196 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: of Putin's aggression in Ukraine. And if that doesn't give 197 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: you evidence that China is on the move, then nothing will. 198 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: And in essence, what I say in the book is 199 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: China has a plan and we don't. America doesn't have 200 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: a plan. In this book, Superpound Peril is about our 201 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: plan for retaining our place in the world and for 202 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: restoring the American dream. Well, and Ben, let me jump 203 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: in here for a second because I want to tell 204 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: our listeners a little bit about who Dave is. Dave 205 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: is a good friend of mine. I've known Dave McCormick 206 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: a long long time. Dave is someone who grew up 207 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Grew up actually as parents at a Christmas 208 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: tree farm. He grew up in rural Pennsylvania. He was 209 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: a jock. He was All state in wrestling. He was 210 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: All state in football. He ended up going to West Point. 211 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: At West Point, he was captain of the wrestling team. 212 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: He became an Army ranger. He was a combat veteran. 213 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: He defended our nation. He came back to Pennsylvania. He 214 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: became incredibly successful. Was a CEO of a very large 215 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: company in Pittsburgh, created over a thousand jobs in Pittsburgh. 216 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: He went to serve in the administration. He was a 217 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: senior official in the Bush administration, the Treasury Department dealing 218 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: with China, taking on China directly. He became the CEO 219 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: of one of the largest hedge funds in the world, 220 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: was incredibly successful as a financial leader. When Donald Trump 221 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: was president, Donald Trump wanted Dave to come in as 222 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: the deputy Secretary of Defense. He ended up not doing that, 223 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: but Trump very much wanted him to do that. His wife, 224 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: who was another dear friend, Dina Powell, was Donald Trump's 225 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: deputy National Security adviser, and she's someone Heidi and I 226 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: have known for for twenty four years now. Dave, as 227 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: you will recall, just ran for Senate in the state 228 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, and he'd put on a heck of a campaign. 229 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: I endorsed Dave the very first week he was in 230 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: the campaign. I campaigned all over the state of Pennsylvania 231 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: with him. We did rallies all over the state. Unfortunately, 232 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: in that race, Donald Trump ended up endorsing doctor Oz. 233 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: I wish he had not. I think that was a mistake. 234 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Dave lost the primary. 235 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: I think it was nine hundred and how many votes, 236 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: nine fifteen votes of one point four million cast. I'm 237 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: sure that number you'll forget, right, Ben, So I have 238 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: to admit for me the number is nine hundred is 239 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: for Dave. Nine hundred and fifteen is acutely carved into 240 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: his consciousness. Yeah, as long as you had under that 241 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: and the number of friends and your phone, then it's 242 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: not your fault. Okay, just one. But if it's above 243 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: that in your phone, it's totally your fault, exactly. But 244 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: I will say the consequences are very real. I am 245 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: absolutely certain had Dave gotten nine hundred and sixteen votes 246 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: more in the primary, had he been the nominee, he 247 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: would have won the general election. He would have been 248 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the new Republican Senator from the state of Pennsylvania. And 249 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: the consequence of that, instead of a fifty one forty 250 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: nine Democrats Senate, we would have fifty fifty Senate. What 251 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: that would mean is Democrats on every committee would have 252 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: equal representation. Right now they have a majority on every committee. 253 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: It means Democrats can issue subpoenas, it means they have 254 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: control to accelerate their agenda through the Senate. And it 255 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: was heartbreaking. I will also say, and I'm not going 256 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: to press Dave to make an announcement, but I'm going 257 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: to be quite candid. I hope that he's running again 258 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. I think he'll make a hell 259 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: of a senator. And I was proud to stand with him. 260 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: But this book he wrote is a book he'd actually 261 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: been working on before Maria ran for Senate, and he 262 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: suddenly found himself out on the campaign trail, shaking hands 263 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: and kissing babies, and he kind of put the book 264 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: on hold. And then when the campaign was over, he 265 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: went back to the book and finished it and turned 266 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: it around. And I say all of that to say, 267 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: when Dave writes a about China, he does so from 268 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: first hand experience having dealt with China. But b when 269 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: he writes about the economy in America's economic situation, he 270 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: does so as an incredibly successful business leader who has 271 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: created jobs, who's worked to the highest levels of government, 272 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: and so he's thinking seriously about how America wins this 273 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: battle with China. I believe China is the single greatest 274 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: geopolitical threat facing the United States for the next hundred years, 275 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: and Dave's thinking seriously about how we win that battle. Dave, 276 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: you had an interesting op ed that obviously connected to 277 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: your book launch that was at Fox News, and it 278 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: says China has a plan to lead the word old 279 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: What's ours. The scary part is that may be one 280 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: of the most accurate op ed headlines I've seen a 281 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: long time, Because I genuinely don't know what America's plan 282 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: is to lead the world under the Biden team. You'll 283 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: look at just how out of touch this White House is. 284 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: They're having the cast of Ted Lasso come in on 285 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: the day that China and Russia are having very serious 286 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: meetings about how they're basically going to align it with 287 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: one another and in essence take over the world. Yeah, 288 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: that split screen of those two things happening, those two 289 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: press conferences at the same time said at all And 290 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: I think you're right. We have very weak leadership in 291 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and so I wish I could say it 292 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: only related to China, but I think it relates to 293 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: our economy. I think it relates to the disaster in 294 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and which really showed weakness, the invitation to putin 295 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: into Ukraine with the Nordstream to pipeline, the shaky ham 296 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: and Eggs responds to the Chinese satellite. All of these 297 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: are signals to the world and signals to our adversaries 298 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: that this is a moment to test and challenge America's 299 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: weakness and to really be on offense. We need to 300 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: do two things at the same time. We need to 301 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: go to the gym at home. Part of our problem 302 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: is a deterioration in some basic fundamentals. We have an 303 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: economy that is spending at an excessive rate thirty one 304 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: trillion dollars of debt, forty percent increase in discretionary spending 305 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: in the last two years under Joe Biden, record high inflation, 306 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: a direct consequence of those prolonged low interest rates combined 307 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: with the spending of Biden. And as a consequence, our 308 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: economy is weak and we've got big problems ahead, unfortunately, 309 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: and that's why eighty percent of Americans think the country's 310 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: had in the wrong direction. But we also have weakness 311 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: in our military, with the wokeness that's or to hijacked 312 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: our armed services, which is very sad for me as 313 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: someone who served. I went to West Point, served in 314 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: the army. But just as an example, the US Army 315 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: released a climate change strategy before it released a war 316 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: fighting strategy under Joe Biden, and we have this, uh, 317 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, what I can only say is this progressive 318 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: ideology that's chipping away at some fundamentals that's made America 319 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: exceptional So the schools where they're teaching a history of 320 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: American America's that we don't recognize, that says America was 321 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: conceived in sin. That makes our kids not recognize the 322 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: exceptional contribution that America has done more in the history 323 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: of the world than any other country for freedom and poverty, 324 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: eradication and so forth. And if your kids don't think 325 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: that the country's exceptional, then they don't understand what it 326 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: takes to preserve it and fight for it. We see 327 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: it in we see it in business with ESG criteria 328 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: sort of undermining basic principles of capitalism and the allocation 329 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: of capital in pursuit of profit. That's made America's economy 330 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: the envy of the world. So there's a lot we 331 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: need to do at home to build back our strength. 332 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: At the same time, we need to confront China abroad. 333 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: And what I laid out of that article you refer 334 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: to and in the book Superpower and Peril is a 335 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: plan to confront China where we strategically decouple in things 336 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: like semiconductors of pharmaceuticals. It was shocking to me and 337 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: I suspect many of your listeners that are pharmaceutical supply chain. 338 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: During COVID, we saw our pharmaceutical supply chain dependent on China. 339 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: That ninety percent of the chips that we need to 340 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: make America run sophisticate chips are manufactured ninety miles from 341 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: mainland China. So we've got a decouple and those strategic 342 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: day Repeat that because I want to make sure everyone 343 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: listening to it. Here's that point. There are a lot 344 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: of important things you're saying, but the point on chips 345 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: in particular is really important to repeat. That's, yeah, chips, 346 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: microchips really are the you know, sort of the underlying 347 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: technology that drives today's modern economy. Everything from the pickup 348 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: truck that's in my driveway, which by the way, he 349 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: couldn't buy for a year because of the delays and chips, 350 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: to our most sophisticated weaponry, and we don't have really 351 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: any domestic chip microchip manufacturing capability. Over the years, with 352 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: sleepwalking on the part of policymakers on both parties, frankly, 353 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: we now have a situation where ninety percent of the 354 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: chips that America requires are manufactured in Taiwan, which is 355 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: ninety miles from mainland China. So if you thought about strategically, 356 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: you know, suffocating America. If you took control of those 357 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: chip fabricators in Taiwan, you'd be able to strangle the 358 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: world and put a huge strategic delay on the capacity 359 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: to deploy new weapons and all sorts of things. And 360 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: that's a strategic vulnerability that's almost unthinkable, and yet we've 361 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: let it happen. Well, and I want you to pause 362 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: for a second and reflect on what that means. You know, 363 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: we talk a lot on Verdict about foreign policy. We 364 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: talk a lot about China and Russia and what's going 365 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: on in the world. But one of the reasons why 366 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: Taiwan is so critical, one of the reasons why when 367 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: I sit down in briefings with our Secretary Defense and 368 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: our Joint chiefs, the number one scenario they're talking about 369 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: inevitably is China invading Taiwan. Because the magnitude of the 370 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: threat to America that there is very little, if anything, 371 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: that is comparable. You look at that vulnerability on chips, 372 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that China successfully invades Taiwan, takes 373 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: it over. They have the capacity a just to cut 374 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: off the most sophisticated chips that are being produced ninety 375 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: percent of which are being produced in Taiwan. So if 376 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: you imagine for a second, Okay, I guess America doesn't 377 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: want any more cars, doesn't want any more trucks, doesn't 378 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: want any more planes, doesn't want any more iPhones, doesn't 379 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: want any more missiles, doesn't want any more weapons technology. 380 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: China's ability to say you're done, We're cutting off your 381 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: supply is massive. And by the way, that's only one scenario. 382 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: Another scenario is that China takes those chips and implements 383 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: within them surveillance technology, says okay, fine, you can have chips, 384 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: but much as they've done with Huawei and Telecom, you 385 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: can have chips, but the Chinese government is now going 386 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: to surveil everything on your cell phone, everything on your car, 387 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: everything on your truck, everything on your plane, everything on 388 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: your missile and weapons technology. That vulnerability is massive, and 389 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: it is something number one that a significant percentage of 390 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: the American people don't appreciate. Number two that Joe Biden 391 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: in this administration is doing zero to prevent, and number 392 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: three that should be an acute focus of American foreign 393 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: policy and economic policy to address and correct our vulnerability 394 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: on this front. I want to ask you, Dave about TikTok, 395 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: and not TikTok within it spasically as a company, but 396 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: the bigger underlying issue of national security and the fact 397 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: that we have this app that virtually half of America 398 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: has on their phone, and there still has not been, 399 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, of warning about this app from the 400 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: top the head of the United States of America, and 401 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: there's just deafening silence when what we know is basically 402 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: a spying app on the American people. Before I get 403 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: to that, I want to tell you about Patriot Mobile. 404 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: Patriot Mobile is the only Christian conservative cell phone company 405 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: in the US. And if you've got a cell phone 406 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: and you want to actually be aligned with companies that 407 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: fight for the values you believe in, here's an opportunity 408 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: to do it. You can pay your bill every month 409 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: to Patriot Mobile instead of big Tech. You get the 410 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: same coverage that you're getting right now, You get to 411 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: keep your same cell phone number, and you can keep 412 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: your same cell phone, or you can upgrade to a 413 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: new one if you want to. But when you pay 414 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: the bill every month, this is what happens. They take 415 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: a portion of that bill and they give it back 416 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: to conservative causes and organizations that you stand with. We're 417 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: talking about First and Second Amendment organizations. We're talking about 418 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: sending up for the rights of unborn children. We're talking 419 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: about helping with adoptions. That's what they're doing when you 420 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: pay your bill. So if you're going to have a 421 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: cell phone, have it with a company that's aligned with 422 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: your values where you're making a difference with every call. 423 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Call Patriot Mobile make the switch eight seven eight Patriot. 424 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: That's eight seven eight Patriot eight seven eight Patriot, or 425 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: online at Patriotmobile dot com. Use the promo code Verdict 426 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 1: for the best deals of the day. Promo code Verdict, 427 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: Patriotmobile dot Com slash Verdict. Dave I mentioned TikTok a 428 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: second ago. I think this is much bigger than TikTok. 429 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: I think it's the fact that we have a device, 430 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: or i should say, an app on your device that 431 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: can look at virtually everything you're doing, collecting data. It's 432 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: very clear that China is doing this, abusing this power. 433 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: That's what it was created for. And we still have 434 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: at White House that has not given a warning to 435 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: the American people. This is something that China is using 436 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: to spy on us. Why have they not been more 437 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: proactive on that? In your opinion, Well, I think there's 438 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: not a recognition of how important data is. Data. There's 439 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: an article a couple of years ago in The Times 440 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: that said data is the new oil. In fact, data 441 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: is much more significant strategically even than oil was in 442 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: the past, because data is the key to innovation, and 443 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: data gives huge insight into both the strengths and vulnerabilities 444 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: of an economy, of a military, of an intelligence service. 445 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: So having access to data is a huge advantage. And 446 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: once again, China has a plan for data dominance, and 447 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: it really has an advantage because it's a techno authoritarian 448 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: power and America doesn't have a plan. And so why 449 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: isn't there a sufficient focus on TikTok? I don't think 450 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: there's an adequate appreciation of how vulnerable we are by 451 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: letting TikTok have access to our data. But China has 452 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: access to our data in a variety of ways that 453 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: have to be curtailed, and so what I argue for 454 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: in the book is much more significant privacy restraints. Does 455 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: it alarm you that if you buy a pair of 456 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: sneakers online that for the next three months you get 457 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: all sorts of advertisements in your feed for sneakers. While 458 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: that just shows you that your data is being sold 459 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: and you lose control of your data, and you may 460 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: click the little box at the end of the purchase, 461 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: but in the end, who knows what that means and 462 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: where your data actually goes. Well, with China, it's much 463 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: more significant. One of the things I cite here is 464 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: a case where our intelligence services identified that China was 465 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: pulling the fitbit data of our troops in Afghanistan to 466 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: be able to monitor what was happening there. It's a 467 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: huge strategic advantage from an intelligence perspective, and it has 468 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: to be stopped, and so I think understanding the significance 469 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: of it leads to some obvious requirements to restrict and stop. 470 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: The other thing is that data drives innovation. So if 471 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: you look at Operation Warp Speed, one of the reasons 472 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: that we had such success in developing new vaccines was 473 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: that the pharmac companies were able to share data, and 474 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: the Chinese don't share data at all. The Wuhan lab 475 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: is a perfect example of why we couldn't get to 476 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: the bottom of what happened with COVID because there was 477 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: no sharing. So we've got to have a strategy to 478 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: push back on China, control our data, block China from 479 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: getting access to our data, and leveraging our data for innovation. Well, 480 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: and Ben, I often think art imitates life. As you know, 481 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm a movie buff and I watch all sorts of 482 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: stupid series on TV because I download them on my 483 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: iPad and every time I'm on an airplane, I watched 484 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: the series. One series i'm a fan of is the 485 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: HBO series Westworld. I don't know if you happen to 486 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: have seen it, but it's a sci fi series where 487 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: part of the premise, so you have these very lifelike 488 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: robots who you learn as you get into the later seasons, 489 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: are designed to collect constant data about people and develop 490 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: models to know what Ben Ferguson would do if faced 491 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: with every choice in life. And once they have that data, 492 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: they essentially know how to control you. They know everything, 493 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: they know who you are. They can literally predict the future. Now, 494 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't think HBO is necessarily nostrodamis, but it does 495 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: underscore the power of data, and right now our federal 496 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: government is not It's not even that we're losing this battle. 497 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: We're not even engaged in this battle. It is a 498 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: one sided fight. And so Dave, let me ask you this, 499 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: in your judgment, what is China's objective, what are they 500 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: trying to accomplish, and what are their principal tools for 501 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: accomplishing it. I think China is essentially trying to create 502 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: techno authoritarian dominance. In other words, they're trying to ensure 503 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: that their economy is the dominant technological force in the world. 504 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: So that's from a capability perspective, and that obviously is 505 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: able to ensure a very lethal military, and they're also 506 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: pursuing a set of foreign policy objectives that will ensure 507 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: that China really displaces America is the global superpower. Now. 508 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: I think the evidence that that was the objective would 509 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: have been a little less certain in the twenty twelve 510 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen fourteen timeframe, But with the rise of President 511 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: she it's become obvious that that's the goal. And one 512 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: reason we know that is because he said it time 513 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: and again in his speeches and his documents in terms 514 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: of where he expects China to be as a global leader. 515 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: But more than that, we see evidence just in the 516 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: in the in the recent weeks where China has done 517 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: a brilliant job of advancing its interest in Central America, 518 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: South America, in the Middle East, and when there's a 519 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: void in leadership, when people feel uncertain that they can 520 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: count on America. The Middle East is a great example 521 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is one of our tightest allies, 522 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: has lots of reasons to object to the rise of Iran, 523 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: and yet under President Biden, there's been an opening, an 524 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: opening that the Chinese have deftly exploited and is really displacing. 525 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: America is the critical superpower in the Middle East. So 526 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: the objective is world dominance in displacing the United States 527 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: and doing so with techno authoritarian capability. Well and a 528 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: week American president is profoundly dangerous. It's profoundly dangerous because 529 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: our enemies step into the void. It's profoundly dangerous because 530 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: our allies are afraid to rely on us and they 531 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: move into that void as well, that they end up 532 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: being drawn into the spheres of influence of our enemies. 533 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this Dave as a follow up. 534 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: As you look at it, what are the strengths and 535 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses China has in this battle, and even 536 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: more importantly, what are the strengths and weaknesses America has 537 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: and how do we win? How do we beat China 538 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: and stop them from achieving their goal of world dominance. Well, 539 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: the strengths that the Chinese have is also its weakness 540 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: in the sense that it's a top down, state driven economy, 541 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: the techno authoritarian. What I mean by that is they've 542 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: got a clear strategy and economic strategy to dominate in 543 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: these key technologies. There used to be this notion when 544 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: I served in the government, of dual use technologies being 545 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: something we had to monitor carefully. In essence, today there's 546 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: a convergence artificial intelligence, quantum science, robotics, satellites. They are 547 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: interchangeably the core of national security and economic vitality. The 548 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: Chinese recognize that, and they have a very focused strategy 549 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: to be the dominant player in all those technologies. And 550 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: the fact that they have a state controlled economy they 551 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: can drive the allocation of capital and the focus on 552 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: those areas through their state owned enterprises. So how do 553 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: we beat them? And now how do we beat them? Well, 554 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: we beat them because our economy and their economy, Because 555 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: if that's created all sorts of weaknesses. We can beat 556 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: them because our economy is far more agile, far more entrepreneurial. 557 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 1: But we're failing at the moment. We're at investing in 558 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: basic R and D. We're failing at educating our people 559 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: to be able to compete in these new areas. Semiconduction 560 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: is a great example. You don't have to have a 561 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: college degree to fill some of these key technical jobs, 562 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: but you do have to have technical training, and we're 563 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: deeply short in the requirements. And and this is what 564 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: I argue in the books Superpower and Peril. We need 565 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: to have the government, and we need to do this 566 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: with care. But we need to have the government create incentives, 567 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: tax rebates, and potentially side by side investing with the 568 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,719 Speaker 1: private sector to drive capital into those areas are going 569 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: to be most critical for our national security, like artificial 570 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: intelligence as an example. And we need to do that 571 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: in a way that the government doesn't play any role 572 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: in picking companies or anything like that. We can't we 573 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: can't have a China model, and we can't have industrial 574 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: policy like the Biden administrations put in place. We have 575 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: to have markets driven ways to drive private capital to 576 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: these technologies. That matter so much for the future, and 577 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: with those kinds of things in place, we can win 578 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: this game. But right now we're on our back foot 579 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: and we're losing. I want to ask you a final question, 580 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: and this is about what happens when technology teams up 581 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: with a country that desperately needs a technology. Obviously, I'm 582 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: talking about China and Russia, and we see how big 583 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: of an impact technology can have, even on killing innocent 584 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: people in Ukraine, drones coming in other type of technology 585 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: that Russia just doesn't have. This alliance between these two 586 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: countries are so dangerous for that reason, in my opinion, 587 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: I want to get your take on that. And before 588 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: I do that, I want to tell you about our 589 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: friends at Chalk. If you're a guy and you're ready 590 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: to fight back against that losing that edge, then you 591 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: need to check out Chalk. 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So 601 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: if you're ready to fight back and you don't want 602 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: to just sit down and say all right, I'm just 603 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm getting older and I'm done. No, get the Chalk 604 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: Vitality stack. Go online to chalkcchoq dot com. Use the 605 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: promo code Ben for thirty five percent off any Chalk 606 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: subscription for life chalkcoq dot com promo code Ben for 607 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: thirty five percent off. Dave, I want you to answer 608 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: that question about the technology, and you have a country 609 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: country that has a ton of it. You have a 610 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: country that has hardly any of it and is decades behind. 611 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: When you put those two together right now, and this 612 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: is happening in real time, they both bring something the table. 613 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: One needs energy that's something Russia does have, and the 614 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: other needs to as technology and that's something that Russia 615 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: needs well. I think that alliance is poses real challenges 616 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: and risks to the United States, but I think our 617 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: path is clear. The problem is we're just not following it. 618 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: And let me elaborate on that for a minute. Defense 619 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: spending needs to do two things at the same time, 620 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: and we shouldn't pay too much attention to those who 621 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: are arguing one or the other. We need to invest 622 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: in existing platforms because that's core to our military capability 623 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: to fight a land war or a sea battle in 624 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the South China Sea, or to support the Ukrainians in 625 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: their fight against Russia. But we also need to invest 626 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: in the next generation in a way that's going to 627 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: make sure that we are out in front of where 628 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: the Chinese are, and the Chinese have developed lots of 629 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: capabilities that really threaten us in the South China Sea 630 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: and are going to threaten us in anything we do 631 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: militarily around the world. So we've got to have and 632 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: that's not happening under Joe Biden right now. The spending 633 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: is not even keeping up with inflation, and right now 634 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: we have leadership that's not able to do those two 635 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: things at the same time. The second thing we need 636 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: to do, and just to refer to your point on energy, 637 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has taken us absolutely the wrong direction. 638 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean I live in Pennsylvania, which has the fourth 639 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: largest natural gas reserve in the world. Of Pennsylvania, ware 640 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: Country would be fourth. And the Biden administration is essentially 641 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: in one fell swoop. Made us less secure because we've 642 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: become an energy importer, has made us less rich because 643 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: it's hurt us economically, and has hurt the environment because 644 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: natural gas out of Pennsylvania is much cleaner than the 645 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: imports we have today. And that's a key building block 646 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: of national security, and we've screwed it up. And that 647 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: again has created the opportunity for a partnership between Russia 648 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: and China, which poses real risk. Well, and let me 649 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 1: echo a couple of things Dave just said. Number one, 650 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: I believe America cannon will prevail against China. I think 651 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: we have enormous assets, the most important of which is freedom. 652 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: Free enterprise is a much stronger economic system than communism. 653 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: During the Cold War, the Soviet Union, and by the way, 654 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: lots of Democrats and left wing academics said, oh, the 655 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: Soviet Union was unbeatable. Jimmy Carter wind that we couldn't compete, 656 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: and the American free enterprise system was so powerful. But 657 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: what we needed was American leadership. We needed the clarity 658 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: that we saw during the Reagan administration to call them 659 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: out for who they are. When Reagan described the Soviet 660 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: Union as the evil Empire. When he was asked what's 661 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: your strategy in the Cold War, he said, it's very simple. 662 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: We win, they lose. When he said Marxism, Leninism will 663 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: end up on the ash heap of history. When he said, 664 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. That clarity and strength 665 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: of leadership, combined with unleashing the American economic engine, bankrupted 666 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union and won the Cold War without firing 667 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: a shot. I believe we need to replicate the strategy 668 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: of the Cold War for dealing with China. I think 669 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: Dave is one of the most serious thinkers in the 670 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: country and doing so, and I'm optimistic. Look, Joe Biden 671 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: is not going to do it. The Democrats are not 672 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: going to do it. But the American people are frustrated 673 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: with the path they're on. They're going to change. As 674 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: we're wrapping up the band, I'm going to take a 675 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: moment of personal privilege and just Victory lap for a moment. 676 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: We started this podcast by Victory Lapping Stanford Law School, 677 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: and any moment of sanity and free speech breaking out 678 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: on one of our elite law schools, I'm going to 679 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: victory lap on the other end now and just point 680 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: out I'm sitting there hanging out with two jocks. Listen, 681 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: and I want to do a shout out to all 682 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: of our listeners who are geeks and nerds. Maybe you're 683 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: a theater kid. Look Ben, for all his awe shucks 684 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: down to earth nature was a varsity tennis player at 685 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: Ole Miss and Dave was captain of the damn wrestling 686 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: team at West Point. And by the way, as I'm 687 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: campaigning with him across Pennsylvania, you didn't tell me initially 688 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: he was all state in football because that didn't even 689 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: merit mentioning. It didn't make the list. Me. I was 690 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: on the debate team. So let's be clear, both Ben 691 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: and Dave in high school or college would have stuffed 692 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: me in the locker. And here we are hanging out 693 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: on the podcast fighting to save America. So I'm just 694 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: gonna revel for a moment of it and say to 695 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: every one of you who wasn't captain of the wrestling 696 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: team at West Point, there's hope for you. There's hope 697 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: for me, and there's hope for America. I love it. 698 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: I love it. Grab Dave's new book has Superpower in 699 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: Peril of Battle Plan to Renew America. You can grab 700 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: it on Amazon or wherever you get your books. I 701 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: know you're on a book tour as well. If people 702 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: want to see where you're headed or where you're going. 703 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: Is that schedule out there so people can find it. Yes, 704 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: it's out there on Dave mccormickbook dot com. Dave mccormickbook 705 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: dot com. Dave, it was a pleasure to have you 706 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: on Verdict. We've got a lot of news and maybe breaking. 707 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: Don't worry this week. We will have you covered the 708 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: center and I will be back here with you in 709 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: a couple of days. And make sure you hit that 710 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 1: share button, subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss 711 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: an episode, and write us to five star reviews so 712 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: we can meet reach new listeners. We'll see it back 713 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: here in a couple of days.