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Speaker 1: Podcast Lawn. Welcome to Taking a Walk, an excursion to converse, connects,

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Speaker 1: and catch up at a cool location with some of

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Speaker 1: the most interesting people you can find. This is Buzznight,

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Speaker 1: and today the Taking a Walk series takes us to

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Speaker 1: the Savin Hill area of Boston, otherwise known as Dorchester.

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Speaker 1: I'm here to take a walk with Bing Broderick. Bing

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Speaker 1: has spent much of his career around the nonprofit world

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Speaker 1: with his awesome work with the Haley House. He was

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Speaker 1: also part of WGBH Enterprises here in Boston, and he

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Speaker 1: also was a specialist in marketing for Rounder Records. Now,

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Speaker 1: one of the joys of taking a walk from me

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Speaker 1: is walking and talking with interesting people and interesting new people.

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Speaker 1: So today we accomplish that with Bing. We'll also talk

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Speaker 1: to some fresh on the edge of his own career

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Speaker 1: moment of reinvention, since so many people are taking that

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Speaker 1: turn to decide what's next in their life. So I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to be taking a walk with Bing. Hi. Bing there,

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Speaker 1: how's it going, Buzz, It's going great? Great, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: taking a walk with me. I'm happy to I really

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Speaker 1: love my neighborhood, so it's one to enjoy it with

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Speaker 1: someone someone new and you've been here a while, you

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Speaker 1: were telling me in the neighborhood. You didn't just arrive, right.

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Speaker 1: I moved to Pleasant Street in nineteen ninety eight. Wow,

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Speaker 1: So I've been here for twenty four years. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to believe, but I have. And you've seen some changes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have, and they're continuing. There's four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: down by Hancock Street there's a development called Dot Block,

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Speaker 1: So I think that we're going to be seeing more.

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Speaker 1: There had been a complex of factories on that location

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Speaker 1: it'll impact the people who have been living right around

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Speaker 1: there in a big way. I did sort of advocate

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Speaker 1: Butter's because all of the streets in this neighborhood are

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Speaker 1: snow emergency streets, and when when there's a snowstorm and

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Speaker 1: what I was asking for in the equation that is

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Speaker 1: city living, right, absolutely, Yeah, yeah, Well, so let's walk

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Speaker 1: through your journey here, which has some interesting twists and turns,

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Speaker 1: and probably more interesting twists coming up here for you.

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Speaker 1: So tell me how you got really to Haley House,

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Speaker 1: first of all, and talk about Haley House and the

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Speaker 1: good work of Haley House. Sure. I first knew of

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Speaker 1: Haley House in the late seventies. My sister lived around

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Speaker 1: Worker and were inspired by that work and wanted to

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Speaker 1: try to do something like that in Boston. And they

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Speaker 1: started welcoming some of the guys who were living on

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Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixty seven, they bought twenty three Dartmuth Street,

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Speaker 1: which is now home of our soup kitchen and our

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Speaker 1: home base. But everything that happened at Hailey House sort

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Speaker 1: ensure that some people didn't get displaced, and some folks

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Speaker 1: knew how to bake in the soup kitchen. In the

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Speaker 1: program and a bakery all at once. That grew and grew,

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Speaker 1: and we started a bakery, moved the bakery to Roxbury

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Speaker 1: and opened the Haley House Bakery Cafe. And I had

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Speaker 1: been working in music and in the film industry prior

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Speaker 1: how I connected with with Hailey House. So at what

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Speaker 1: my teeth into that. You know, the interesting thing about

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Speaker 1: the Haley House Bakery Cafe in the early years, we

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Speaker 1: ideas came in the door. People came in with suggestions

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Speaker 1: it was a true third space. You know, our aim

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Speaker 1: to that work and also your work with the Rounder Records. Sure. Well,

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Speaker 1: I started work at Rounder like most people did in

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Speaker 1: And I had identified that there were there were there

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Speaker 1: Rounder was well set up with record stores around the country,

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Speaker 1: but they were more specialty oriented and they might be

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Speaker 1: the feminist bookstore network or Irish sweater shops, you know,

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Speaker 1: these these little niches where they would sell music, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't thought of as a conventional record outlet, and

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Speaker 1: there were distributors who sold to those people. And I

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Speaker 1: And so I became the director of special marketing. They're

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Speaker 1: working those channels. But at a certain point around two thousand,

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Speaker 1: had done some work with WGBHS because we had put

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Speaker 1: explored the possibility of what my what opportunities might exist there.

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Speaker 1: you get the itch every how many years? Well, this

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Speaker 1: little different. It depends on timing. Timing is irrelevant. It's

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Speaker 1: my time at Haley House, I spent the first eight

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Speaker 1: I took over from our founder Kathy McKenna as the

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Speaker 1: how do you use walking to benefit you, whether you

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Speaker 1: it's funny. I am I am a walker. It might

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Speaker 1: I'm a city walker. I've done mountain climbing and hiking

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Speaker 1: city walking gives you that opportunity. You know. Pleasant Street

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Speaker 1: It's Gone, Baby Gone, the Denis Lahane book that was

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Speaker 1: used to be Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta. It must

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Speaker 1: But it's a great neighborhood to explore and I've gotten

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Speaker 1: And that's what That's what I love about Dorchester's. It's

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Speaker 1: Boston have exploded, that real estate has got to be

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