1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Mr Garbatscheff, tear down this wall. Either you're with us 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: or you were with the terrorists. If you've got healthcare already, 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: then you can keep your plan. If you are satisfied 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: with is not anmity, President of the United States, take 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: it to a bank. Together. We will make America great again. 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: We'll never sharender. It's what you've been waiting for all day. 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, with America now joined the conversation called Buck 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton. They will be met with fire 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: and fury like the world has never seen. He has 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: been very threatening, beyond a normal state. And as I said, 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: they will be met with fire, fury, and frankly power, 14 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: the likes of which this world has never seen before. 15 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: Thank fire and fury. That's what President Trump says about 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: the response if North Korea continues with its belligerent statements 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: and activity. Team Buck, welcome to the Freedom Hunt. Great 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: to have you here. The situation with North Korea is 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: is heating up rapidly, and we are at what is 20 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: a new phase in this standoff with the most intractable 21 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: foreign policy nuclear threat um since the fall of the 22 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Berlin Wall. Here we are um staring at a regime 23 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: that is full of the most uh warlike and hyper 24 00:01:54,760 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: nationalist propaganda, and in recent days has been respon bonding 25 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: to sanctions that even Russia and China lind come along 26 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: for to try and change the behavior of this country, 27 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: and most notably to get it to d nuclearized. That's 28 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: what's that's what's really at stake here. We are trying 29 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: to get North Korea to give up its nuclear program 30 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: and its nuclear weapons. There are reports out there right now, unconfirmed, 31 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: but there are reports that North Korea already can both 32 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: hit the US mainland with a ballistic missile and can 33 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: put a miniaturized nuclear device on that missile. Right This 34 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: is what we're reading now in the newspapers. Whether true 35 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: or not, people are clearly very concerned about the North 36 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: Korean threat to the United States, never mind to its neighbors, 37 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: where it already poses and extremely viable and u catastrophic threat. 38 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: Doesn't have to have nukes or nuclear capability in order 39 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: to hit South Korea. Soul doesn't have to be advanced 40 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: beyond what we already know. It has in order to 41 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: fire missiles hundreds of miles at its neighbors and in 42 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: And the reality is that it has now been put 43 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: in a position where it's already h very embattled. Economy 44 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: is going to be receiving greater pressure. It will lose 45 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: it's estimated a billion dollars of foreign currency of foreign 46 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: currency transactions, it currently is estimated around three billions that 47 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: it can make abroad. They're gonna put halt on coal 48 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: shipments out of the country, mostly into China. China seems 49 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: to be on board at some level here. And look, 50 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: the Trump administration deserves some credit for what's gone on here. Uh. 51 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: And you even had the former n s A, former 52 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: CIA director Mike Hayden say as much. Frankly, the Obama administration, 53 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: I think deserves some fair criticism for their strategic patients, 54 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: which was frankly, paying this problem forward, uh, not solving 55 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: it on their watch and passing it forward to the 56 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Trump administration. And the Trump team deserves some credit forgetting 57 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: these sanctions. They are very tough. They kept the Russians 58 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: on side, they got the Chinese to agree to them 59 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that's right. I mean, by the way, 60 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: Hayden is a is a pretty strong and full throwted 61 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: Trump critic, but here he is saying what should be 62 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: obvious to everyone, which is that the Obama administration on 63 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: foreign policy matters, stretching from Syria to North Korea, to 64 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Venezuela to you name it. I thought that in action 65 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: and flowery rhetoric during the occasional speech was evidence of brilliance, 66 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: when really it was just evidence of inaction. It was inertia. 67 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: It was a lack of ideas and resolve, dressed up 68 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: as patients, dressed up as being deliberate and and thinking 69 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: long and hard on all these issues. The problem with 70 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: North Korea only got worse under Obama's time in office, 71 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: and we did almost nothing for eight years to try 72 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: and convince Kim Jong UN's regime. But there was a 73 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: better path, and there was another option for them, one 74 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: that wouldn't result in the destruction of their crime dynasty, 75 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: which is what the Kim family is. We didn't come 76 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: up with an alternative for them. We didn't force them 77 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: to think that there was something else that they should 78 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: pursue other than the continuation of nuclear nuclear program research 79 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: and missile testing and hoping to get to a point 80 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: where they can credibly say that they are able to 81 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: nuke a major you S city, And at that point 82 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: we have to start thinking about what that means for 83 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: our response. What does the world feel like when one 84 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: of the really the craziest, most authoritarian, most hardline and 85 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: warlike government regime on planet Earth can hit the US 86 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: mainland with a nuclear missile? How does that change our 87 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: calculations about our own security? And this is where you 88 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: start to see a lot of people that are going 89 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: on TV and it is frustrating to watch because the 90 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: standards right now for who gets to comment on national 91 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: security feel particularly low in the cable news universe. I'm 92 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: just I'm just being honest with you. I'm keeping it real. 93 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: You get all these all these folks going on TV saying, well, 94 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, North Korea, we're gonna we're gonna teach them, 95 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: and you know, we better be strong when it comes 96 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: to North Korea. Okay, fine, what does that really mean? 97 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: And the administration is pushing forward sanctions that will hopefully 98 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: be meaningful, that's taking action that's worthwhile, but tough talk 99 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: on North Korea on TV and I'm not saying the 100 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: administration is doing and I'm just seeing a lot of 101 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: it from so called analysts and pundits and all the 102 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: rest of it. Tough talk on North Korea does not 103 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: address the underlying problems here, which are that this is 104 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: a regime that views the nuclear program as not just 105 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: central to its survival. This is where there's i think, 106 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: often a misconception or a lack of information for those 107 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: who are trying to wax philosophical on North Korean intentions 108 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: and capabilities. It's not just that it is necessary to 109 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: protect them from outside threats. It's also a legitimacy issue. 110 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: And in fact, this has some parallels to Iran's nuclear program, 111 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: where our perception of this in the West tends to 112 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: be that this is just what the crazy Mullahs wants 113 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: so they can neuke Israel or threaten to nuke Israel, 114 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: and they can avoid regime change. And while all of 115 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: that may be true, there's an additional layer of the 116 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Mullahs in Tehran and across the country, the ruling class, 117 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: the Guardian Council, the people in Iran who make real 118 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: decisions about all this. They push the nuclear program as 119 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: part of Iran's greatness. So it's a legitimacy issue. For them, 120 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: this is about pride, and in a place like North Korea, 121 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: where pride takes a form of ultra hardline nationalism and 122 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: a racial purity propaganda that is often overlooked. In the 123 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: West and in the rest of the world, we don't 124 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: usually hear about or think about, how you know, North Korea. 125 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: We think of it as as cartoonish and stupid and evil. Okay, fine, 126 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: but there is greater nuance to the ideology in North 127 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: Korea than most people, certainly that I see going on TV. Understand. Yes, 128 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: they promote themselves and they have these outside statements via 129 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: their own state controlled media that seemed clownish to us. Right, Oh, sure, 130 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna obey this all in a sea of fire. 131 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: But internally, the propaganda in North Korea, and really all 132 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: media is propaganda there. There's no non state media, so 133 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: we can just use those terms, uh synonymously. But the 134 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: perception among a lot of the North Koreans is that, yeah, 135 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: Kim Jong Onen is embattled but has managed to punch 136 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: back and punch back successfully, and his father, Kim Jong il, 137 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: was even more successful at it. His father was able 138 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: to get the West to make concessions. See, we keep 139 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: making concessions to the regime in pyong Yang. They get 140 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: stuff from us, and they pursue nukes and missiles anyway. 141 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: And they get more stuff from us, and they pursue 142 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: nuke and missiles anyway. So how hard, how big a 143 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: leap is it really for the North Korean Ministry of 144 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: Propaganda to tell the North Korean people that they make 145 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: a mockery of the rest of the world, that in fact, 146 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: America bows to their will because we give them food aid, 147 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: because we won't do anything about They're continued, not just 148 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: provocations but crossing of lines. I mean, they've whether it's 149 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: you know, shelling an island somewhere, or kidnapping people and 150 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: engaging in uh cyber attacks or assassinations abroad, or all 151 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: kinds of support for terrorism and global insurgency. All that's happening. 152 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: And what do we do. You know, we do the 153 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: equivalent of telling them they're going to have even less 154 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: money and less food. And that doesn't turn the people 155 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: against the regime necessarily, because you have to look at 156 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: it from their perspective. And with that in mind, I 157 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: think that a lot of our assumptions right now about 158 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: how this is going to turn out with North Korea 159 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: are faulty. Not necessarily yours and mind, but a lot 160 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: of the acting assumptions out there in the media, Oh, 161 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: we'll turn up the pressure and then North Korea will 162 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: bow to reason and give up its nuclear program. Well, 163 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: North Korea is increasingly economically cornered, but it's also closer 164 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: than ever before to the trump card that it really wants, 165 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: which is an intercontinental ballistic missile that is nuclear capable, 166 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: and at that point it cannot just threaten the United 167 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: States but blackmail anyone in the region and really around 168 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: the world that it wants to. And you have to 169 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: ask the question, well, will they do it? Would they fire? 170 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Would they fire first? Once you understand a bit more 171 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: about the history not just of North Korea, but of 172 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: the regime and the people who run that place, I 173 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: think that's a question to which nobody right now has 174 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: an answer, and that alone is scary enough. Nobody really 175 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: knows what the future with this country holds. No one 176 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: knows what the red lines truly are. No one knows 177 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: what North Korea is willing to do as things get 178 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: more dangerous for it, as the regime faces a crisis 179 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: of legitimacy. You see, we turn up the pressure, we 180 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: make it economically more miserable, and then we expect that 181 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: the people in power will be reasonable and say, okay, fine, 182 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: we want we want them to allow greater economic activity, 183 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: so we'll make some concessions. But all the while they 184 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: think that they are in an existential struggle with South Korea. 185 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: They think that we want to eradicate them and destroy 186 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: their regime. And in a sense they are correct. We 187 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: do want to destroy the regime, we do want it gone. 188 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: And in their own internal propaganda should be noted that 189 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: they believe that they one a great victory with the 190 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: partition of the in Peninsula, and that we had to 191 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: bow to them. That's the way that it is seen there, 192 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: and that we accepted defeat, and therefore we might be 193 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: defeated again. You start to look at this from their perspective, 194 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: and it is a scary world when this country has 195 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons that it can fire at the United States 196 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: and or or our allies. I want to talk to 197 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: you a little bit about some of the history and 198 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: ideology of what's going on there and then the responses 199 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: to it. And I should also just know before we 200 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: go into the break and we'll talk about this more 201 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: on the other side. That this is a this is 202 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: a classic legacy of the Obama administration. This was all happening, 203 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: this was all getting worse during eight years of Obama. 204 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: Did you hear much about North Korea's program and the 205 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: real threat that had posed? No? No, no, Remember, you 206 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: know there's gonna be this pivot to Asia. If you're 207 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: going to deal with a pivot to Asia, what's what's 208 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the first national security challenge that you have to address? 209 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: It's North Korea. Did the Obama administration accomplish a single 210 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: worthwhile policy initiative with regard to North Korea? The answer 211 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: is no. I kept in place some of the old sanctions, 212 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: some of the old plans. Maybe they tightened up the 213 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: sanctions here, or they're accomplished nothing. Eight years accomplished nothing. 214 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: And this is just this is really the calling card 215 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: of that administration doing very little and patting itself on 216 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: the back all along for being so brilliant and such geniuses, 217 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: whether it was wrecking Libya and leaving it as a 218 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: failed state, doing nothing in Syria while that imploded, while 219 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: Isis became a global terrorist threat, while other countries in 220 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: the region, including all the way out to Germany and 221 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: Europe had to deal with an enormous refugee crisis. Where 222 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: was the leadership on foreign policy matters, Where was the 223 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: where was the global stature of the previous White House? 224 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were told there were such geniuses, they 225 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: were so well versed in all matters of foreign policy. 226 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: And now we see that Trump has come in with 227 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: his people, and whether you love Trump or not, they've 228 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: got to clean up the mess. And this is a mess. 229 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: And we heard so much about how Obama was dealt 230 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: this tough hand with Iraq and Afghanistan. Uh Iraq was 231 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: stabilized and Afghanistan when Obama took over was in the 232 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: best place it had been in since the war in 233 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: two thousand and one. And yet Afghanistan is going south 234 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: very rapidly. Isis had to be chased out of Northern Rock. 235 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the Obama administration on foreign policy is really 236 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: a legacy of just abject failure. And North Korea, as 237 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: we're seeing right now, is one of the most irrefutable 238 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: and obvious examples of that. And now Trump is here, 239 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: he's Commander Chief. He's got to figure it out. And 240 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: he's doing some of the right things, but this is 241 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: a very tough problem. It was a strong day for 242 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: the United States, it was a strong day for the 243 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: United Nations, and it was it was a gut punch 244 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: to North Korea. Let them know the international community tired 245 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: of it, and we're going to start fighting back. That's 246 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley. You an ambassador, and I think what she 247 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: says is true. Economically, will be a gut punch to 248 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: North Korea. But how will North Korea respond? The Democratic 249 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: People's Republic of North Korea. Isn't that among the most 250 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: orwellian of names imaginable. It's not democratic, It's not a 251 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: people's republic, but nonetheless there it is. Oftentimes the the 252 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: longer and more grandiose the name of a country, the 253 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: less free and more problematic the government's going to be. Um. 254 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: But here's the report I mentioned you before. I wanted 255 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: to tell you so we have some of the specifics, 256 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: and then I'll go into my thoughts on where much 257 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: of this, maybe or some of this may be heading. Um. 258 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: Here's what the Washington Post reports. North Korea has successfully 259 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles. 260 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: Crossing a key threshold on the path to becoming a 261 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: full fledged nuclear power quarantine, US officials in a confidential assessment. 262 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: The new analysis, completed last month by the Defense Intelligence 263 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: Agency comes on the heels of another intelligence assessment that 264 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: sharply raises the official estimate for the total number of 265 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: bombs in the communist countries atomic arsenal. The US calculated 266 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: last month that up to sixty nuclear weapons are now 267 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: controlled by North Korean leader Kim Jong un. Some independent 268 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: experts believe the number of bombs is much smaller. The 269 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: findings are likely to deepen concerns about an evolving North 270 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: Korean military threat that appears to be advancing far more 271 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: rapidly than many experts had predicted. End quote, they have 272 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: it in North Korea. That's what's going on right now. 273 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: This is why people are so concerned. Whether I don't 274 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: know if that reporting is true or not about what's 275 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: in a d I reportedly in a d I a assessment, 276 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: but we do know that North Korea has been firing 277 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: off missiles, we know that they have nukes, and we 278 00:17:52,520 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: know that they are an ultra nationalist and deeply um 279 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: deeply racist, which people don't often think of it. Yeah, 280 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: there's xenophobic, but also they believe. And there's a whole 281 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: book and I actually have it here with me in 282 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: the studio. If any of you look for something to 283 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: read on North Korea that will give you a I think, 284 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: in particular insight into it. There's a book called The 285 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: Cleanest Race, How North Korean See Themselves and Why It 286 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: Matters by B. R. Myers, who's a North Korea analyst 287 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: at the Atlantic, and he talks about how they in 288 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: much of their propaganda, refer to themselves as the purest 289 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: or cleanest race on earth, and also how in in 290 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Western totalitarianisms, which by the way, is a much closer 291 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: approximation of what North Korea was the Second World War, 292 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: fascist totalitarian is um is really much closer to what 293 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: North Korea is than a revolutionary communist state. Uh. And 294 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: I'll get into some of those distinctions with you and 295 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: why that matters to all of us, because really it's 296 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: about do we have to worry about this, about this 297 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: place run by a guy who's kind of nuts. Do 298 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: we have to worry about them trying to nuke us? 299 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: That's the question, right, Do me a solid if you 300 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: are an iTunes user, whether you download the podcast there 301 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: or not, it would be great if you would click 302 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: subscribe obviously the podcast, but also so you'll have it 303 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: whenever you want to listen to it. 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Also, 313 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: the other subject matter that we will get into in 314 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: the show. I know I've been just jumping right into 315 00:19:53,800 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: North Korea right away. Um, but we've got the New 316 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: York Times climate change report that they say it was 317 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: leaked to it. Want to talk to you about that. Um, 318 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: We've got Jake Tapper commenting on Trump TV and some 319 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: of the hypocrisy I think it worked. There, a trans 320 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: gender kids camp that's a that's something that's happening now. 321 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: And then the big story, which we will spend a 322 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: good chunk of time on later on in the show, 323 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: and that is this viral memo from inside of Google 324 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: dealing with Google's diversity procedures. But more than that, Google's ideology, 325 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: which is just a leftist echo chamber, which I've known 326 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: for a long time. I know people who work at 327 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Google and if they're even vaguely conservative, they completely hide 328 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: it and they're just bombarded with all of this progressive 329 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: dogma orthodoxy, and it is vicious. I mean you you 330 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: have to go along with it. There's no room for 331 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: anyone to be like, hey, maybe I don't buy into this. 332 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Oh no. And they take all of the all the 333 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: is ms feminism, racism, postmodernism, all this stuff, and it 334 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: informs their corporate policy and decision making and it dictates 335 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: it really, and dictates is a good word, because they 336 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: act like petty dictators when it comes to what people 337 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: are allowed to think and say in the workplace. There So, 338 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: and I know this is where some of the some 339 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: of the libertarians that they're saying, well, they can do 340 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: whatever they want because it's a it's a private, private company. No, actually, 341 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: that's not the way it works in this country right now. 342 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: There's a lot of federal law and regulation about what 343 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: you can and can't do in hiring questions. You can 344 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: and cannot ask what is an acceptable percentage of different 345 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: groups to be hired, lest you run a foul of 346 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: the authority. So let's not let's not pretend that we 347 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: live in some free market society where it comes to employment. 348 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: And so anybody who's going to complain about conservatives being 349 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: fired from their job is being unprincipled. No, The point 350 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: here is that, well, if you're going to regulate workplace 351 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: viewpoints and make it a function of law, you can't 352 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: have it so that conservatives are allowed to be discriminated 353 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: against you. You can't have all these other protected groups. 354 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: But political ideology doesn't count. Okay, But what we'll get there, 355 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: and oh, there's it's such a rich topic. There's so 356 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: much more. There's um the realities of why are why 357 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: are women? Let me ask you this provocative question, and 358 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a provocative You probably don't either, 359 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: Maybe you do. Why aren't there more women who are 360 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: excelling as engineers in the technology world? Basically, why aren't 361 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: there more women in computer science at these top technology companies? 362 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: Which are incredibly influential and among the most valuable, really 363 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: the most valuable companies in the world. Now, why aren't 364 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: there more? Not not just in leadership roles, that's one 365 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: part of this, but at the top echelon of engineering, 366 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: and usually think of engineer. Some people think of engineer 367 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: like to to like you're on a you know, you're 368 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: on a train, but that's not the kind of engineering, 369 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: Or they think of people who build bridges. When I'm 370 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: when I'm saying engineering in the context of this discussion, 371 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean those who have back end website expertise, who 372 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: understand coding, who understand that whole world of what goes 373 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: on in your computer screen that that I do not. 374 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: I will be the first time I do not understand. 375 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: So I don't even know enough about that to speak with, 376 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: never mind authority. I don't even really necessarily even know 377 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: what the terminology is once you start getting into back 378 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: end stuff. I don't know what the terminology is. But 379 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: I do know that there isn't some giant scheme. There's 380 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: not some plot underway in this country to keep women 381 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: out of top computer science chops. It's just a lie. 382 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: It's like the and by the way. One of the 383 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: reasons this guy wrote this thing is not just this 384 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: guy Google who has not been fired for writing this 385 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: ten pages. He's a PhD in biology from Harvard and 386 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: he is he has been fired for making a very 387 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: reasoned and thoroughly thought out and sourced argument about what 388 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: it is that is resulting in fewer women. And I see, 389 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: I get so I'm very passionate about this topic. So 390 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: I promise you will spend some real time on the 391 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: show getting into it. But because I want to finish 392 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: our North Korea discussion, but let me just say this. 393 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: This is the question, why aren't there more women in 394 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: those roles? Because there aren't many? Why are women underrepresented there? 395 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: And I don't like the term underrepresented because that makes 396 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: it seem like, well, there's that to be fifty Why 397 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: aren't there more? Here's here's really the question. Why aren't 398 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: there more women who are at the top, at the 399 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: top level in engineering in the world of technology. That's 400 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: that's really what the question is. Why are there are 401 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: there biological factors? That's the next question. Now and now 402 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: now you're done. Now you did it, Buck, You're gonna 403 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: get yep. You ask that question and people start getting 404 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: very tense. Well, we'll deal with the question in a rational, 405 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: reasonable evidence, bay respectful, but honest way, because that's how 406 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: we roll here in the Freedom of That's coming up 407 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: later in the show. All right, back to North Korea 408 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: for a little bit here, so get excited about that 409 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Google discussion, because that's going to be a a fulsome 410 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: conversation here in the Freedom hunt uh I mentioned this 411 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: book to you, and I've got it here, The Cleanest 412 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: Race how North Koreans see themselves and why it matters. 413 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: And one of the parts of it that I really 414 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: that really sticks out to me is when he talks 415 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: about the misconceptions around North Korea. You know, people will 416 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: refer to it. They'll say, oh, well, it's stalinist, yes, 417 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: or there. There certainly are some parallels and some some similarities, 418 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: but it's ideology is not really it's different than that. 419 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: Um And well, let let me read you a couple 420 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: of relevant passages here to give us a bit of 421 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: meat on the bones of this discussion about North Korean ideology. 422 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: And again, why am I talking about North Korean ideology? 423 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: Do you really care if I sit here and explain 424 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: duch self reliance to you? Does that really By the way, 425 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: North Korean's even have a tough time explaining due che 426 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: it's really a throw at. It's really just something that's 427 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: a propaganda line that is put out there, and no 428 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: one ever questions it's a no one really knows what 429 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: it is. Uh. But I'm not trying to sit here 430 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: and act like we're in you know, North Korean ideology 431 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: one oh one. But if we want to, if we 432 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: want to understand why Trump is taking the positions that 433 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: he is on this, and why he needs to address 434 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: this problem, and why the Obama administration was derelict in 435 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: its duty to deal with this for eight years, we 436 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: have to get a sense as to what does the 437 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: North Korean state, how does it see itself? How will 438 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: it act? And wood North Korea fire off a nuke 439 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: in Hawaii? I mean, that's really what we're getting into. 440 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, what would North Korea decided to try and 441 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: do a first strike on Honolulu or California or who 442 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: knows where? We don't know, And when it gets to 443 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: a place where we know that they can at least 444 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: do it, we want to be darn sure we have 445 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: an idea as to how real is the possibility is 446 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: of North Korea doing that? Is this a country that 447 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: might try to nucas. That's what we're really getting into here. 448 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: That's why this matters. Okay, and what the the answer 449 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: to that question will guide well, what do we do? 450 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: What should Trump do? What should the American people be 451 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: pushing members of Congress and this administration to do? Okay, 452 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: back to this uh, this book The Cleanest Race. Unfortunately, 453 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: a lack of relevant expertise has never prevented observers from 454 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: mischaracterizing North Korean ideology to the general public. They call 455 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: the regime hard line communist or stalinist, despite its explicit 456 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: racial theorizing it's strident acclamation of Koreans as the world's 457 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: cleanest or purest race. They describe it as a Confucian 458 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: patriarchy despite its maternal authority figures, or as a country 459 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: obsessed with self reliance though it has depended on outside 460 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: aid for over sixty years. By far, the most common mistake, however, 461 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: has been the projection of Western or South Korean values 462 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: and common sense onto the North Koreans. For example, having 463 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: been bombed flat by the Americans in the nineteen fifties, 464 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: the DPRK the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea must 465 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: be fearful for its security, ergo, it must want the 466 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: normalization of relations with Washington. These various fallacies have combined 467 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: to make the West worry less about North Korea's nuclear 468 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: program than about Iran's. The word Confucianism, people often say, 469 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: North Korea's confucian somewhay makes us think of Singapore Asian 470 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: whiz kids and respect for the elderly. How much trouble 471 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: can a Confucian patriarchy? B Self reliance doesn't sound too 472 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: dangerous either. Communism has a much less benign ring to it, 473 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: of course, But if there's one thing we remember from 474 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: the Cold War is that it ended peacefully. For fifteen years. 475 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: The perception of a common in this North Korea has 476 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: sustained the US government's hope that disarmament talks will work 477 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: with pyong Yang as they did with Moscow. Only in 478 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, after the Kim regime defied the 479 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: United States by launching a ballistic missile and conducting its 480 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: second underground nuclear test, did a consensus begin to emerge 481 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: that negotiations were unlikely ever to work. Yet the assumption 482 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: prevails that The worst pyeong Yang would ever do is 483 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: sell nuclear material or expertise to more dangerous foes in 484 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: the Middle East. All the while, the military first regime 485 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: has been invoking Kama Kazi slogans last used by Imperial 486 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: Japan in the Pacific War, saying that they're saying all 487 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: this really crazy stuff, and we keep telling ourselves that, 488 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, they're not that crazy, it'll be fine. Well, 489 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: why are we so sure? And being wrong on this 490 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: one is not something that we can afford. We've got 491 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: Michael Malice joining us now. Is an expert on North Korea, 492 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: author of Dear Reader, the unauthorized autobiography of Kim Jong 493 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: Ill is also the host of You're Welcome, Michael GrITT 494 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: to have you on, Thanks so much, Buck. So, things 495 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: seem to be legitimately heating up right now with North Korea. 496 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: We've been reading about the missile tests and the nuclear 497 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: program and the crazy threats for years, but we have 498 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: seemed to reach something of a tipping point. This does 499 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: seem to be getting closer to a place where, uh, 500 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: the international community and most notably the United States is saying, 501 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: we actually have to do something about this guy. Yeah, 502 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: this is a game of chicken where you have two 503 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: cars driving at each other as fast as possible. And 504 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: the issue is President Trump is not someone who likes 505 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: to back down from a fight, as we've seen during 506 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: the campaign miss presidency. But North Korea isn't in a 507 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: position really to back down from a fight either because 508 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: very often when these regimes backed down, the people at 509 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: the top, like Kadafi, like Hussein are personally killed. So 510 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: this is uncharted territory and it's a very inury sprinksmanship. Now, 511 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: tell us a bit about the leadership. What what do 512 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: we know about Kim Jong un versus his his predecessors, 513 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: because I think one of the primary places for debate, 514 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: and you see this playing out on TV and there's 515 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: all these different pundits, some who I'm pretty sure couldn't 516 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: find or name the capital of North Korea, but they're 517 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: still on TV talking about North Korea, talking about you know, 518 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: what's going on with the nuclear program. I don't know 519 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: any about nuclear programs, but I digress. But a lot 520 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: of this comes down to, well, is he a rational 521 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: actor or not? What is your response to that? And 522 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: with me thrown in there, that that's a that's a 523 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: simplification of a very complicated it's not really a yes 524 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: or no, it is a yes or no. It's he's 525 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: absolutely a rational actor, and I could prove it to 526 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: you in this way. People who are crazy don't last long. 527 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: It's very hard to maintain power for seventy years if 528 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: you're not in touch with reality. Well, what I mean 529 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: by that is he rational in the context of being 530 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: the leader of North Korea, is not rational in the 531 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: American context. Well, it's rational terms of his self interest, 532 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: and it's rational in terms of there are certain mechanisms 533 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: that we can use that we know will work. And 534 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: we also know that his behavior isn't random, it's not 535 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: a causal. He is behaving according to certain incentives and 536 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: has a certain agenda of his own. And the reason 537 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: I wrote, dear reader, because as you said, book, you 538 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: watch people on TV. They know nothing about North Korea. 539 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: They think it's another Soviet Union, you think it's another rock. 540 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: It's like neither of those things. So it really behooves 541 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: us to understand this country before we start opening our 542 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: mouths and basically just analogizing into something. It's not analogists too, 543 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: So what should the folks at home Michael, and we're 544 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: speaking to Michael Mals, author of Dear Reader, the unauthorized 545 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: autobiography of Kim Jong Ill. What should they know so 546 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: that they can have a better sense of better context 547 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: for what we're hearing, which is more or less crazy 548 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: statement from North Korea's leader. And oh, by the way, 549 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: not sure when, but at some point in the relatively 550 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: near future, they will have miniaturized nuclear weapons that are 551 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: possible to be put a top I C B M 552 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: S which can hit the mainland United States, which is 553 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: a game changer for national security. What do people need 554 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: to know other than I mean, that's the top line, headline. 555 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: We keep seeing what else needs to go into this? 556 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: You see, it's even worse than that because the reason 557 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: Kim Jong nam, the eldest son who was recently assassinated 558 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: in that airport, the reason he was passed over for 559 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: the leadership position, is that he wanted to be nuclearize, 560 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: and Kim John ull said no nuclear weapons are essential 561 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: to maintaining North Korea as a state. He bragged that 562 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: to fight the American Eagle and the Chinese dragon, he 563 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: had to turn North Korea into a hedgehog, by which 564 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: he meant an animal with spines, missiles pointing in every direction. 565 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: So Kim John Owens promised to maintain and build on 566 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: this nuclear program is what got him into this role. 567 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: So it would basically be like President Trump saying, forget 568 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: the wall, We're going to give amnesty to everyone. It 569 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: would be absolutely impossible. That's how essential the nuclear program 570 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: is to his leadership capabilities. Now the program may be 571 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: a sense to his sense of the regime's survival, which 572 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: I think it is. I think there's also a recognition 573 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: that as long as and internally speaking, it's very important 574 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: for them to project that they are a nuclear power 575 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: and they are growing again. Having the nuclear program is 576 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: essential to Kim Jong and buns leadership. It was one 577 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: of the reasons why his eldest brother, Kim Jong nam 578 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: was passed over. Kim Jong nam wanted to denuclearized, and 579 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: Kim jongles Kim Jong ill said I'm going to turn 580 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: North Korea into a hedgehog that which he meant an 581 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: animal with spines, missiles pointing in every direction. So it's 582 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: absolutely essential for their leadership propaganda that they maintain that 583 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: nuclear power. And what does that mean we should do now? 584 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: Because people are getting pretty worried about this as a 585 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: national security problem, and I think understandably. So, I mean, 586 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: this is this is a real concern. This isn't something 587 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: that's being trumped upper or hyped. This is a real concern, 588 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: and this is an unprecedented concern. We have never even 589 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: during the Cold War when we kind of had a 590 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: nuclear stillmate with the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union towards 591 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: the end especially was nowhere near as belligerent as North Korea. 592 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: North Korea spend decades, for example, kidnapping Japanese citizens to 593 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: force them to teach Japanese to their spies. They've had 594 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: many incursions into South Korea. Uh, they've kidnapped, captured, excuse me, 595 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: uss Pueblo in n And they revel in the fact 596 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: that they are pushing around America. In fact, in their 597 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: prop again they say, we know how to treat America. 598 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: If necessary, will slap her across the face. So this 599 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: is a situation that we've never seen before. And obviously 600 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: we're dealing with a nuclear power that is desperate to 601 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: maintain its hold on control of its citizenry. There are 602 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: no good or even bad answers. This is going to 603 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: take a lot of work, and it's going to take 604 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 1: an international community working together. And we start to see 605 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: that with the recent UN resolution where even China joined 606 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: forces to UH. China and Russia are on board now 607 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: with this round of sanctions, which is is meaningful even 608 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: from people according to people I know who are pretty 609 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: cynical about all this anti North Korea options in the past. 610 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely because China doesn't want a US all on their 611 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: border and doesn't want million North Korean refugees, you know, 612 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: crossing the Tuman River, and but China also wants to 613 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: be a player on the world stage. All Right, we 614 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: got Michael Malice, author of Dear Reader, The Unauthorized Autobiography 615 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: of Kim John Ill. Michael, thank you so much for 616 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,919 Speaker 1: joining man. Come back soon. We've got Todd in North 617 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: Carolina on w P T I. Hey, Todd, I just 618 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: pretty much want to talk about North Korea and basically 619 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: that they're China's They're China's junkyard dog. I mean, they've 620 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: they've been that wave what since the end of the 621 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: Korean War. I mean, everybody's afraid to cross the Yalu. 622 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: That's that's pretty much. Yeah, I mean China wants I 623 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: mean Todd you're hitting out. A key point was that 624 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: China wants a buffer state, would is what North Korea 625 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: provides it on the Korean peninsula, but Wan South Korea, 626 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 1: which is a close US ally and part of the 627 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: the what we could even though it's not a geographic term, 628 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: it's really part of the UH allied western Western countries, right. 629 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very close to the United States, 630 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: it's it's close with with Japan and Europe. And the 631 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: Chinese don't want to see that go away. They don't 632 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: want to see a unified Korean peninsula with very close 633 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: relations with the United States, that is democratic and that 634 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: is free, and that is a inherently than a destabilizing 635 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: force on China's doorstep. Connected to China no less. So 636 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's why we don't have entirely similar 637 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: interests with with China when it comes to North Korean fact, 638 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: we are at odds with China on some important issues 639 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: of Korea. UM, A lot of a lot of people are, 640 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: especially the Japanese. I mean, you're not hearing anything going 641 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: on in about what they're doing out China the South China. 642 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: See excuse me, you're not hearing anything about what they've 643 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: done and what they're doing in Vietnam. I mean, they're 644 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: the they're the perfect cover, and nobody's paying attention, nobody's 645 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: putting it out there. I mean, I mean, North Korea 646 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: is a bad thing. You get in there, it's going 647 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: to be a bad thing. They're plugged in, they have 648 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: been for for decades. I mean, yeah, there's no way 649 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: to end this problem. And people that are saying we 650 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: may have to take a you know, we may have 651 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: to take military action at some point in the future. 652 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: I think that, well, hopefully anybody who's in a position 653 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: to make that decision already understands that that that would 654 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: be horrific. I mean, it would be catastrophic. You would 655 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of dead people and on on both sides, 656 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: uh you know, not not not necessarily US homeland depths, 657 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: but you would have South Korea would be in a 658 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: really bad would be in really bad shape. And I 659 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: believe that they probably just go after Japan too. They 660 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: probably pull a pull a Saddam and fire whatever they 661 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: could at at Japan just out of spite. So that 662 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: spirals out of control very quickly. And I think that's 663 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: a conflict that everybody well, certainly everybody outside of North 664 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: Korea wants to avoid Yeah, I mean, I mean there's 665 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: a lot of hard fings. I'm a peninsula about Japan still, 666 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of bad things happen, and North 667 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: Korea ain't forget about it. Oh yeahda, you know, I 668 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: was gonna move on to Todd Shields time, and thank 669 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: you for the call. I was going to move on 670 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: to the climate change report that got leaked, and I 671 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: will in just a second. I don't I don't want 672 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: to spend too much time on North Korea today, but 673 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: just a couple of background notes on this that I 674 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: think you may find interesting. That the Korea was in 675 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: an appendage of China for a very for a very 676 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: very long time. And and really Korean nationalism is largely 677 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: a twentieth century invention. Uh. Certainly, Korea as independent nation 678 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: states that exists to this day is literally a twentieth 679 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: century invention. But the Japanese took the Japanese became the 680 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: colonial overlords of Korea. They seized Korea, and there were 681 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: UH efforts to kick out the Japanese. But interestingly enough, 682 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: they were also with the rise of Korean nationalism in 683 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, you had some comparisons to imperial Japan. 684 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: You had a sense that there were uh they in fact, 685 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: we're mimicking UM UH mimicking the Japanese nationalists and sort 686 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: of ethnic superiority rhetoric. And this was this was happening 687 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: in Korea before the separation of Korea into North and 688 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: South UH. And you know Mount pak Do, for example, 689 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: which is reputed to be at least in some of 690 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: the propaganda, the birthplace of kim ill Son Um is 691 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: in many ways similar to Ount Fuji, which is kind 692 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: of the you know, part of the original founding UH 693 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: myths if if you will, of the Japanese people. Right, 694 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: Mount Fuji holds a very important place in Japanese UH 695 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: conceptions of the state, in Japanese history and and founding 696 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: ideology really UM and so Mount peik Do is an 697 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: interesting comparison there, right there. There are some other places 698 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: to where there's crossover between the way the Japanese view 699 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: themselves and when the Koreans view themselves as being this 700 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: independent race that has no connection to China. I mean 701 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: in reality, actually there are a lot of connections to 702 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: China and UH and they are all they all come from. 703 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: If you if you trace it back far enough, and 704 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: you know this will get you in trouble with some 705 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: Korean and Japanese nationalists. But uh, if you trace it 706 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: back far enough, you will see that they all come 707 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: from the same uh, same origins. UM. Don't say that 708 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: though employed company, that'll get you in trouble. Uh. And 709 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: by the way, I mentioned before the UH the usage 710 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: of kamakaze rhetoric by North Korea literally the same rhetoric 711 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: that the Japanese Imperial Japan was using back in the 712 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: Second World War. Interestingly enough, kama kaze it means divine wind, 713 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: and the kama kazees were using the ideology of national 714 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: or really Japanese ethnic and national resistance in World War Two. 715 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: They were harkening back to the effort to stop the 716 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: Mongol invasion, and the original divine wind was the wrecking 717 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,919 Speaker 1: of a Mongol fleet that was on its way from 718 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: mainland China to Japan to seize the island, and militarily speaking, 719 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: probably could have, but there was a terrible storm that 720 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: destroyed that Mongol invasion fleet, and so Japan was never 721 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: conquered by those Mongol overlords who had taken mainland China 722 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: and anyway, Mongol history perhaps for another day, but that's 723 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: where that's where the divine win, that's where kamikaze comes from. 724 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: And the North Koreans have borrowed some of the kamikaze 725 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: rhetoric in their propaganda. And it should be noted that 726 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: their external propaganda and their internal propaganda are not the 727 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: same thing. Um and they increasingly view the success of 728 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: South Korea as an existential threat because yeah, there's all 729 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: these stories about the mythology of North Korea and there's 730 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,240 Speaker 1: like a den of unicorn somewhere and all this other stuff, 731 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 1: and it's kind of become a pop culture joke series, 732 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: right Kim Jong Oen and Kim Jong Ill, But you've 733 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: got to think about it from their context. First of all, 734 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: Kim il sung, who's the original Kim in the dynasty, 735 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,479 Speaker 1: is portrayed as being kind of heavy set. And Kim 736 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: Jong Ill, you know who we know from Team America. 737 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: He's in Team America World Police. Uh, he was heavy set. 738 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: His son is heavy set. That's you know, you get 739 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: people that go on TV and on radio and they say, oh, 740 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: look at that, you know, look at that pudgy punk 741 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Well, but there's a reason for 742 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: it actually, and it's because in the official propaganda of 743 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: the state, because the UH the country is viewed as 744 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: being the children of the father, that being a little 745 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: bit more portly is meant to be a visualization of 746 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: how the Korean the North Korean dictator is a father 747 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: figure to the whole country and in fact mother figures, 748 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: as we mentioned I mentioned earlier on the end the 749 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: show play a very large make him seem more affable, 750 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: friendly and paternal. It's like he drank a fifth of 751 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: bourbon and cuts his hair, you know, in the dark 752 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: with his left hand or something. But that that doesn't 753 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: really make much of a difference to our understanding of 754 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 1: the country, right, And I think actually you see some 755 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: ignorance on parade when people just do the like mocking 756 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: all this stuff, because there are real world implications for this. 757 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: Just one more thing on North Korea they have been 758 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 1: saying for a long time. I mean, they're hyper militaristic, militaristic, 759 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: and they they view it as they defeated the allied 760 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 1: powers of the world, and that's what led to the partition. 761 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: We think of it as we stopped them and we 762 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: save South Korea. They view it as we all tried 763 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: to gang up on them and they beat us, and 764 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: that we had to cry uncle, we had to say sorry, sorry, 765 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 1: and that's why you have, you know, the dividing line 766 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: um between North and South Korea, the DMZ that exists 767 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: right now. But they viewed as we're still in a 768 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: perpetual state of of war technically, and they think that 769 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: South Korea. Uh, the only the only problem that they 770 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: have right now with their propaganda is that they had 771 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: been saying for a long time at South Korea was 772 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: this this desperate, terrible place, and in fact, South Korea 773 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: is economically very prosperous, so that they don't really know 774 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 1: how to handle that in the North Korean propaganda because 775 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: people are figuring this out and they're they're finding out 776 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: that Okay, well maybe they're evil, maybe they're bad, but also, uh, 777 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 1: they're richer than we are. Why is that? And given 778 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 1: all the militarism that's going on in North Korea, there's 779 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: a real possibility I think that you could see um 780 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: a what would seem like a reactionary military response to 781 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: this continued outside provocation by trying to settle this thing 782 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 1: through force i e. Reinvading or going after South Korea. 783 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: So that's anyway. I'm sorry, I'm speaking more about Korea 784 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: than I meant to. Uh, let's go into right after 785 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: this breaker. Promise you we will get into the leaked 786 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: climate change report of the New York Times. Also certainly 787 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: should discuss if we can get to it today. If not, 788 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,959 Speaker 1: we'll do tomorrow. The opioid uh speech that President Trump 789 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: gave in the opioid epidemic, which, as you know here 790 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: on the show, we've been talking about this for months. 791 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: In fact that the very origins of Buck sexon with 792 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: America now one of the I think one of the 793 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: first months we were on air we talked about this 794 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: story because I've been seeing this tidal wave coming for 795 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: a long time, and now it's finally really hit and 796 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: people are aware of just how bad the opioid epidemic is. Uh. 797 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: And then, like I said, from this later on this hour, 798 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: going in the third hour, we will certainly talk about 799 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 1: this Google quote anti diversity memo, which is incredibly interesting 800 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: back and forth, and I'll talk to you about that 801 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: all right. I've got a lot of show and not 802 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: that much time, but we will address the question when 803 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: we come back here, why are scientists so paranoid if 804 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: the science is on their side. Why are climate scientists 805 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: so paranoid about what this administration will do? And what 806 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: are we to make of the fact that the administration 807 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: never seems to do what the so called scientists are 808 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: so paranoid work that they're going to do. From the 809 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: beginning of this administration, they have there have been people 810 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: on the climate change side of the house, right, people 811 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: that work for the e p A and uh, the 812 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, different agencies that deal with this stuff. I 813 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,760 Speaker 1: don't know whatever whoever, whoever touches in the climate change 814 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: touches on the climate change issue. You've had this this 815 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: fear and I would even say fearmongering that the Trump 816 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: administration would go to these great lengths to stymy, to 817 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,479 Speaker 1: stifle and and so they've created a narrative without any 818 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: facts because the administration hasn't suppressed any information that that 819 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: hasn't happened. You might you may recall that there were 820 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: news stories, Oh that's right, fake news about how websites, 821 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: government websites that had climate change data had been scrubbed. 822 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: You can go back you see this. You can go 823 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,240 Speaker 1: Google yourself. You're curious, But they weren't scrubbed. That's not true. 824 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: It's just there was a new administration, and with the 825 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: new administration they do updates and changes to all of 826 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: the various government websites. But this whole before I even 827 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: get into this report, which I will do with you 828 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: in just a moment, there is this whole theory, uh 829 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 1: that makes no sense, and that is that the the 830 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: Trump administration will somehow be able to suppress the very 831 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: data necessary for us to have a complete understanding of 832 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,360 Speaker 1: the the coming climate pandemic, the global threat that climate 833 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 1: change poses to all of us. Oh my gosh, We're 834 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 1: all gonna die. And I just I do have disdain 835 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: for this, this scare mongering and this completely uh sanctimonious 836 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: point of view that we hear from the climate change 837 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: alarms crowd, because so they think that I they think 838 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: that I don't care if the planet ends and that 839 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: everyone dies? Is that really or what I am? I 840 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: am I bought off? Or or my favorite is that 841 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: people that you know work for left wing news sites, 842 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: what they have better reading comprehension that I do, Like 843 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,839 Speaker 1: I can't read the I p c C Report and 844 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of uncertainty in it, because 845 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: there is. That was the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 846 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: report that I read in full, by the way, UH, 847 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: and yeah, there's a lot of well, we've got medium 848 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: confidence about this, and high confidence about that, and medium 849 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 1: confidence about this. And when a a report with dozens 850 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 1: of different authors and and hundreds of different reviewers has 851 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: lots of like, well, we're not really sure about this, 852 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: but we think kind of. I wouldn't take that to 853 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: the bank. But more to the point I was trying 854 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: to make, because I mean, I could speak to you 855 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: about this one issue for hours, but I know we 856 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: don't have hours together on this. We've got to get 857 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: into some other stuff. More to the point in this one, 858 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,840 Speaker 1: that there could be the suppression of this information and 859 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,840 Speaker 1: data in the modern age in which we live, where 860 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: information can be just be posted online or where clearly 861 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: some members of the government, whether it's the uh, this 862 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: is a study from thirteen different federal agencies. UH, that 863 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: somehow this would be that it would be possible to 864 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: suppress this information or that the White House would want 865 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: to UM, just makes no sense. It's thirteen federal agencies. 866 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: There are scientists from them that conclude that quote, Americans 867 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 1: are feeling the effects of climate change. It directly contradicts 868 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: Trump claims by President Trump and members of his cabinot 869 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: who say the human contribution to climate change is uncertain 870 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 1: and that the ability to predict the effects is limited 871 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 1: and quote, well, of course, the ability to predict the 872 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: predict the effects is limited. Nobody can predict the future, 873 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,800 Speaker 1: and people who claim they can are misleading and usually 874 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 1: just lying, but at a minimum misleading when you're talking 875 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: about an issue that is this complex. I mean that 876 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,359 Speaker 1: there is no certainty about what the climate will be 877 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: in five years or in twenty years, certainly not in 878 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: a hundred years. And anyone who says otherwise it's just 879 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,879 Speaker 1: living in a fantasy or they're trying to pull one 880 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: pull one over on you. But you'll notice the the 881 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,240 Speaker 1: storyline here is that they had to force this information 882 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: out there. This is a government report and draft form. 883 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,640 Speaker 1: They had to force it out there because you know 884 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: Trump was going to suppress it. Uh Nikki Hailey, US ambassador, 885 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,399 Speaker 1: she's getting a lot of play on the show today. 886 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: She was asked about this whether the Trump administration would 887 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,479 Speaker 1: have rejected this report. Here's what she said, just because 888 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 1: we pulled out the Paris Cord doesn't mean we don't 889 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: believe in climate protection. I think we're very aware that 890 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,319 Speaker 1: we need to do that. What we're saying is we're 891 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: not going to sell out American businesses to do that. 892 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,800 Speaker 1: Will we embrace the results of this report from thirteen 893 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: federal agency. I haven't seen the report, but I don't 894 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: see any reason why they wouldn't. I mean, I think 895 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,400 Speaker 1: a lot of this is we're not saying that climate 896 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 1: change is not real. It is real. It's how do 897 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,320 Speaker 1: you have that balance between making sure you've got jobs 898 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: and businesses moving and then also making sure you protect 899 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: your climate dancers in the middle. I should note that 900 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: they now realize that this is where the climate alarmists 901 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: realized that this is where the debate is going to go, 902 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 1: that there's a cost benefit analysis sure climate. They won't 903 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: just be able to hammer people with this, do you 904 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 1: believe in climate change? Because if you say no, you're 905 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: an idiot. So now you can say, Okay, I believe 906 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: in climate change, but at what cost? And what can 907 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: we do about it? And that's a discussion that requires 908 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot more thought and a lot more ability to 909 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,879 Speaker 1: work through the facts than just the social signaling right 910 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: of Oh, I'm such a good person. That that's what 911 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 1: the do you believe in climate change question really is? 912 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,400 Speaker 1: Is I'm a good person? Are you a good person? 913 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,840 Speaker 1: When someone asked do you believe in climate change? Is 914 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 1: I'm a smart person? Are you a smart person? Has 915 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 1: nothing to do with climate change? Really? So it is. 916 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: It is classic what they call social signaling, which is 917 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 1: not just for people listening and for other people, but 918 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: for yourself. Right, you are establishing in your own mind 919 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 1: if you're somebody who likes to go around asking this 920 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: question about climate change. Oh, I'm so smart, I'm so virtuous, 921 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm so good. Uh. But the leaking of this report 922 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: before it's even out just shows what there's a desperation 923 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: to this, Right why not just wait and the report 924 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: will come out and the people that go into hysterics 925 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,360 Speaker 1: about this will do so, and the rest of us 926 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: who just want to be left alone by these by 927 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:14,439 Speaker 1: these you know, crazies, will hopefully try to ignore most 928 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: of this, although they obviously want to use the government 929 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,319 Speaker 1: as a tool to implement these insane policies about how 930 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: we combat this change, this climate change. But in the report, 931 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,120 Speaker 1: which I was able to skim through. I have not 932 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: read it entirely yet, you know, I I tell you this, 933 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: I do read the primary source material for whatever I 934 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,759 Speaker 1: talked about on the show as often as I ken 935 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: a lot of other shows where I feel like, I'm like, 936 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: do the host on TV radio you name it? I'm like, 937 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: did the host even even attempt to read any of this? 938 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: Or is it just the talking points and whatever the 939 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: staff hands him or her? And well, you know, listen 940 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,239 Speaker 1: to enough of this, watch enough of it, and you'll 941 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: you'll be able to make these determinations on your own, 942 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,279 Speaker 1: if you're not already. But I can tell you there 943 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,799 Speaker 1: are a lot of them that I'm like, when I 944 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: talk to people offline who are in this business and 945 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: so so you don't actually so you don't actually read 946 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 1: any of the stuff, but you talk about it a lot. Anyway. 947 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 1: I didn't read the full report yet, but I read 948 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: the executive summary, and I've certainly read the And I'm 949 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 1: talking more about the news story that which is that 950 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: it was leaked. Why I would have to be leaked? Oh, 951 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: that's right, because Trump is going to be some sort 952 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: of anti climate change fascist. The leak of the climate 953 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: change studies indicative of the there's a real paranoia among 954 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: climate change activists and the climate people say the scientific community, 955 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: which is is a bit like saying the political community 956 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,440 Speaker 1: or you know, the arts community or something that that 957 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 1: covers a lot of ground. We're really talking about, and 958 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: when you're talking about this climate stuff, you're talking about 959 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,400 Speaker 1: a small subset of scientists. You know, no one's sitting 960 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,320 Speaker 1: around disputing climate science with people who are doing the 961 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: very worthwhile and excellent work of research into microbiology and 962 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, antibiotic resistance and cures for cancer and uh, 963 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, making better cleaning solvents for your home, you 964 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: know whatever, Right, science science, That's that's not what this is. 965 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,440 Speaker 1: Where people say the scientists and the scientific insensus that well, 966 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,400 Speaker 1: there's climate science, and you always have to factor into 967 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: that that these people are either trying to save the 968 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: planet and therefore need all of the grants and the approbation, 969 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,719 Speaker 1: the applause, the love that comes with being like the 970 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: saviors of the planet. You know that they're on a crusade, 971 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: they're on a jihad, they're on a I don't know, 972 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: a mission from from Gaia, from Mother Earth to save 973 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:42,400 Speaker 1: the planet, and we're we should not be surprised. Therefore 974 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: when we don't hear a lot of yeah, actually it's 975 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: not that big a deal from them, right, we all 976 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 1: we all understand that. I mean that that should be 977 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: motive matters. I always tell you look for the motive. 978 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,680 Speaker 1: The motive explains so much of what's going on in 979 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: our our day to day lives. And if you were 980 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: looking at this from a criminal person active not that 981 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,720 Speaker 1: it is, but there's a clear motive for a massive 982 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,839 Speaker 1: fraud to be perpetuated, but against the American people by 983 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: the climate research community. Because if it's not a big deal, 984 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 1: well what exactly are they doing all day? You know, 985 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: telling us what the temperature is? I got an app 986 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: for that, you know, I don't really need you. So 987 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: that matters that that has to be taken into account here. 988 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 1: But there is this paranoia, as I said, there's even 989 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: fake news about fears that the administration will try and 990 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: destroy data on club, which is just nonsense. Right, Well, 991 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 1: they can't stop her if there's a government report that's 992 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 1: not classifies, weren't going to prison for releasing it? That 993 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: that that the administration try to suppress. Of course, somebody 994 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: could could leave, But this is a preemptive leak. See 995 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: they don't even wait for the administration to try and 996 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,760 Speaker 1: suppress the information because they want the news story to 997 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 1: be Oh, we were so worried about them suppressing it, 998 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,240 Speaker 1: so we had to leak at first. Well that's you know, 999 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: it's like somebody walking down the street. They're like, they 1000 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: punched me in the face, and when they have to 1001 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: explain why, it's like, well, I was so worried that 1002 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: Buck was gonna hit me that I had to hit 1003 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: him first because he's such a bad guy. Well was 1004 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: I going to hit him? I mean probably not, So 1005 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 1: we are we should also, though, note that the the 1006 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,080 Speaker 1: Daily Mail reports here that the U. S. Department of 1007 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 1: Agriculture has told staff to not use the term climate 1008 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: change and replace it with weather extremes. Now, you know, 1009 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 1: that's that is a change. I think this is interesting 1010 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: because it is a recognition, a recognition that the language 1011 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: that we use in these debates and these discussions is 1012 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:48,600 Speaker 1: absolutely critical, is absolutely essential, and so by controlling the 1013 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 1: language or by changing the language, you de facto change 1014 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 1: and direct the debate in one way or another. And 1015 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 1: that's why calling it a weather extreme is going to 1016 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: infuriate this. Look at look at what happens when you 1017 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,120 Speaker 1: say legal alien the official legal term. No, no, say 1018 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: undocumented immigrant. You know, undocumented immigrant. You might as well 1019 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,320 Speaker 1: be calling you know, it might be might as well 1020 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: be a debate over like do you like you know, 1021 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,640 Speaker 1: do you like fluffy puppies? Who doesn't like fluffy puppies? Right? 1022 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean, oh, of course undocumented immigrants. Don't you like immigrants? 1023 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,520 Speaker 1: And they're just they just need their papers. Just give 1024 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,520 Speaker 1: them some papers, and their immigrants were good. Right, It's 1025 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: all very clear, it is. It is a game, but 1026 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 1: the stakes are quite high, and controlling the language is 1027 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 1: a necessary or a very useful at least, component of 1028 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 1: of how this all goes. So, Um, they are, they 1029 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,439 Speaker 1: are changing the way that the government talks about these things, 1030 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: to be sure, But that does not mean that they're 1031 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,880 Speaker 1: trying to suppress this information. Maybe you'll do more. I mean, 1032 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 1: you got al Gore's movies out. It's bombing, by the way, 1033 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: we've got al Gore's movie is out. The Inconvenient Truth 1034 00:59:54,360 --> 01:00:00,680 Speaker 1: Part two, Um, you know, inconvenient nonsense. Uh, perhaps more 1035 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 1: time on that tomorrow and on climate change. I don't know, 1036 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Part of this is that I think that the people 1037 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: who who already know that this is a a not 1038 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 1: necessarily an entirely a hoax, but a hysteria. Right, Yeah, 1039 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: the climate change is really climate is changing, probably getting warmer. Fine, 1040 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,120 Speaker 1: do we need to be worried about it? We need 1041 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: to make drastic government policy to address it. Are people 1042 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: that have questions about this? Uh imbeciles? No, no, no, no, right, no, nos, 1043 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: all across the board. But people who already know that, 1044 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,720 Speaker 1: I think don't necessarily get too interested, too fascinated by, 1045 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: um what's going on there? So uh, you know, I'm 1046 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: I've realized today that I'm not even gonna get through 1047 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,520 Speaker 1: all the topics that I said at the start of 1048 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 1: the show. I'm going to because there's just I got 1049 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot on on the mine today, a lot that 1050 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: I want to share with you. Um. So let me 1051 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 1: say that this is so I don't entirely skip over 1052 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,920 Speaker 1: the topic. I want to talk about opiod abuse, and 1053 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 1: then we have to move on to the Google memo, 1054 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: and this is kind of a placeholder for a longer, 1055 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,480 Speaker 1: more in depth conversation about the opioid. And I know 1056 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm switching topics. Also mid mid segment, which I tend 1057 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: not to do, but today just got so much on 1058 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,480 Speaker 1: the docket that I'm going to go from one to 1059 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 1: the other. UMPO. President Trump spoke about it today. Let's 1060 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,120 Speaker 1: just as as a way of getting into this for 1061 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,040 Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes. Here's what the President said. 1062 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: The best way to prevent drug addiction and overdoses, to 1063 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,520 Speaker 1: prevent people from abusing drugs in the first place. If 1064 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 1: they don't start, they won't have a problem. If they 1065 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,280 Speaker 1: do start, it's awfully tough to get off, So we 1066 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,040 Speaker 1: can keep them from going on and maybe by talking 1067 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,840 Speaker 1: to youth and telling them no good really bad for 1068 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,880 Speaker 1: you in every way. But if they don't start, it 1069 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,760 Speaker 1: will never be a problem. Now, we have talked here 1070 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,000 Speaker 1: on the show, and we've had experts on to address 1071 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 1: it about the actual chemistry involved here and what's happening, 1072 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,560 Speaker 1: um with the kinds of drugs that people are overdosing, 1073 01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,080 Speaker 1: and we say opioid, and it's often thought that we're 1074 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 1: talking about heroin, and heroin certainly is playing a part 1075 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,960 Speaker 1: in this, and they're the Mexican drug cartels are more 1076 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 1: involved with heroin now as a result and have been 1077 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: for years. Um you know, the the drugs, oh are 1078 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,520 Speaker 1: really chemical compounds. That's what we're worried about, things like 1079 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 1: fentanyl and derivatives of of our similar compounds that are 1080 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,439 Speaker 1: chemical compounds that are similar in structure to fentanyl, that 1081 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,400 Speaker 1: work on the receptors, the brain receptors in a way 1082 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,520 Speaker 1: that's similar to what you get with um opium. And 1083 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,080 Speaker 1: so this is why people call them opioids. And fentanyl, 1084 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: as you know, is so is so dangerous. And we've 1085 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: talked about this here before that even just touching it, 1086 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,440 Speaker 1: if it gets absorbed in your skin, you can overdose. 1087 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 1: So there's a chemical component of this that just makes 1088 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,400 Speaker 1: this inherently more more dangerous. Right. And I think one 1089 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,680 Speaker 1: of the failures of the War on Drugs is that 1090 01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,200 Speaker 1: if it's a Schedule one Controlled Substances Act drug, people 1091 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,240 Speaker 1: think of it as being similar. But there is no 1092 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,720 Speaker 1: reasonable basis to say, for example, that smoking marijuana is 1093 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: one time as dangerous as taking here on one time. Right, 1094 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,000 Speaker 1: That's that's an unreasonable, unscientific, non factual statement. But yet 1095 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,600 Speaker 1: all these drugs have been kind of treated by the 1096 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: federal government as in a similar vein of dangerousness, and 1097 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,600 Speaker 1: that's just not true. Uh, these drugs, now, these opioid 1098 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 1: drugs are much more potent and much more deadly. So 1099 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:32,040 Speaker 1: that's a part of it. Um. The also the scale, 1100 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,960 Speaker 1: the scale of the problem, just to touch on that is, 1101 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 1: you now have more people dying in this country from 1102 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:41,760 Speaker 1: opioid overdose then murders and car crashes combined. So it 1103 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,240 Speaker 1: is an It is an epidemic, and it is a crisis. 1104 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: So those two things. So the chemicals are different and deadlier, 1105 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 1: and it is an epidemic. It is of proportions that 1106 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,520 Speaker 1: are different from anything else we've seen in certainly in 1107 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,760 Speaker 1: decades when it comes to the problem of drugs and 1108 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 1: drug use in this country. But I also, you know, 1109 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 1: the the how we fix it is a very important discussion. 1110 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I'll try to do some of that here, But how 1111 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,320 Speaker 1: we fix it is um one thing. I also the 1112 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,920 Speaker 1: wonder if there are some other factors that don't get 1113 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: as much attention, that people don't spend as much time 1114 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,680 Speaker 1: thinking about, which is why is this happening? Um and 1115 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,040 Speaker 1: I And this is this is not based on any 1116 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,120 Speaker 1: expertise that I have, or or or even much more 1117 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:33,080 Speaker 1: than preliminary research, But there is something happening in this 1118 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,520 Speaker 1: country right now. There is a sense of disconnected. People 1119 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: are disconnected in a disaffection in a lot of predominantly white, 1120 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:48,120 Speaker 1: but not entirely suburban and rural communities, and there's a 1121 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,520 Speaker 1: breakdown in civil society that has been happening, and people 1122 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,360 Speaker 1: feel really alone and they're they're in pain, they're in 1123 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,880 Speaker 1: psychological pain, and they're trying to self medicate. And that's 1124 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:06,479 Speaker 1: a I think that's a a very widespread condition right now. 1125 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,160 Speaker 1: And if we're going to diagnose the problem, actually, I 1126 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,680 Speaker 1: think we have to keep in mind that something has 1127 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,920 Speaker 1: happened in this country where people are looking for escape 1128 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: and are trying to deal with pain, emotional, psychological and 1129 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:23,040 Speaker 1: physical pain in in ways that ah, well, they're responsive 1130 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:27,920 Speaker 1: to a crisis that is worthy of a much greater 1131 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,680 Speaker 1: attention than I think we give it as a society. 1132 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 1: And that is what is happening. Why are why are 1133 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 1: people feeling this way? Where is this pain coming from 1134 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,560 Speaker 1: that they're trying to medicate with these drugs And I 1135 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,240 Speaker 1: can be an emotional psychological pain too. And we'll talk 1136 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,240 Speaker 1: more about the war on drugs aspect of this also 1137 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,160 Speaker 1: on another segment of the show. But I'm just I'm 1138 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,360 Speaker 1: trying to wrap my head around why we're in this 1139 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,840 Speaker 1: place with the opioid epidemic, and it will be an 1140 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,480 Speaker 1: ongoing conversation. But Google memo got to talk about we 1141 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,360 Speaker 1: got to talk about that, uh, and what this tells 1142 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,960 Speaker 1: us about the progressive left and corporate culture in America, 1143 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of stuff that will be uh, 1144 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,400 Speaker 1: this will be an interesting discussion. We're gonna hit it. 1145 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 1: Ideological echo chamber is the name of the ten page 1146 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,360 Speaker 1: memo that has rocked Silicon Valley and set off a 1147 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,120 Speaker 1: really spirited it's one way to put it in discussion 1148 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,000 Speaker 1: across the country about what men and women do in 1149 01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,120 Speaker 1: the workplace. Are there any differences between what they choose 1150 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,400 Speaker 1: to do in the workplace and this cult of diversity, 1151 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,040 Speaker 1: which is not even really easy for the left and 1152 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,560 Speaker 1: the progressive to define. What really is diversity. It's it's ethnic, 1153 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:42,040 Speaker 1: it's it's racial, it's gender, it's gender identity, it's international, 1154 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,320 Speaker 1: it's I mean, you know, keep expanding and expanding. It's immigrant. 1155 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,280 Speaker 1: It's okay, well, how many more layers do you add 1156 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,080 Speaker 1: onto what is considered diversity. It's not ideological, though, so 1157 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:53,760 Speaker 1: you want a lot of different people who all think 1158 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the same thing. How that brings benefits into a corporate 1159 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,800 Speaker 1: culture is beyond me. Right. It means at a room 1160 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,360 Speaker 1: full of people will look a certain way, it'll look 1161 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,480 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of difference, but it's superficial difference. 1162 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,240 Speaker 1: So why would that matter to the way a business 1163 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,480 Speaker 1: operates if everyone has to think the same way and 1164 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,280 Speaker 1: think the same things. If we are, especially in an 1165 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,880 Speaker 1: information based economy, especially at a place like Google that 1166 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,160 Speaker 1: is a world thought leader, isn't a diversity of thought 1167 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,920 Speaker 1: going to be in an essential part of that process? Well, 1168 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,520 Speaker 1: of course the answer is no. In fact, there's really 1169 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,080 Speaker 1: a a stalinist suppression of diversity of thought inside of Google. 1170 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 1: Hence this brilliant PhD from Harvard. Mr Demore wrote Google's 1171 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 1: ideological echo chamber, and I read through it the entire thing. 1172 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: You should absolutely read it when you get a chance. 1173 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,200 Speaker 1: And he talks about how this, Well, first of all, 1174 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,560 Speaker 1: the whole culture at Google is in an echo chamber. 1175 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,960 Speaker 1: It is a group think on pain of firing, environment, 1176 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:05,320 Speaker 1: mint about all things, politics, treatment of people in the workplace, 1177 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,680 Speaker 1: everything you have you have to buy into the approved 1178 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,240 Speaker 1: leftist orthodoxy, and that there are major biases at work 1179 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,440 Speaker 1: in the way that Google operates in its day to 1180 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,439 Speaker 1: day and they all skew left. And one of these 1181 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,880 Speaker 1: ways has to do with diversity and the the gap, 1182 01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,519 Speaker 1: the gap between men and women in engineering and leadership 1183 01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,920 Speaker 1: positions in Silicon Valley talked to you a little bit 1184 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: on the show about this. Here's what's so fascinating about it, 1185 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,360 Speaker 1: and he goes into also, I should note a whole 1186 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 1: section on how to get more women. People are calling 1187 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: us an anti diversity memo, but there's the there's a 1188 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,440 Speaker 1: whole part of it that says, quote increased women's representation 1189 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,400 Speaker 1: in tech. I mean, the guy even comes up with solutions, 1190 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,160 Speaker 1: but it's in his diagnosis of the problem that he 1191 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: engages in heresy. He has violated the sacred tenets of 1192 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:04,880 Speaker 1: the progress multiculturalists left with this memo by saying, get 1193 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,400 Speaker 1: ready for it. It's crazy. Hold onto your seats. Here 1194 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:11,840 Speaker 1: it comes. Men and women are different and may want 1195 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:17,840 Speaker 1: somewhat different things in their career paths, may choose different fields. Now, 1196 01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:23,320 Speaker 1: this is where the reactionary left kicks in and says, 1197 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,519 Speaker 1: hold on a second, are you saying that you know 1198 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,880 Speaker 1: women can't do math or women can't do computer stuff. No, 1199 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 1: that's not what he's saying. In fact, what there are 1200 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,080 Speaker 1: is plenty of social science evidence appoint to is that 1201 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:44,320 Speaker 1: women make different choices and that in aggregate, or as 1202 01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,519 Speaker 1: he says in his in his writing, that this guy 1203 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,920 Speaker 1: de more in Google's ideological echo chamber. In the aggregate, 1204 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:57,120 Speaker 1: women tend to have personality traits and views of what 1205 01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,040 Speaker 1: they would like to do with their time that again, 1206 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,800 Speaker 1: on the average, not every individual, but push them more 1207 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,839 Speaker 1: towards some fields than others. And so this gets shouted 1208 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,519 Speaker 1: down is all you're saying women can't do math and 1209 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,519 Speaker 1: can't do computers. It's not true. But when you actually 1210 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: look at different different professions, you can get much closer 1211 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,800 Speaker 1: to what the truth is and women's representation in those 1212 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,519 Speaker 1: professions for example, and here's some here's some fun facts 1213 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,720 Speaker 1: for you to chew on. When we're talking about all this. 1214 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Women and men are represented about equal numbers in mathematics 1215 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:38,880 Speaker 1: when it comes to college major studies, but in engineering 1216 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,719 Speaker 1: that is not the case. Engineering is dominated by men. 1217 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,479 Speaker 1: So it's not a mathematical ability issue, right there are 1218 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,080 Speaker 1: men and women do math at the same numbers and 1219 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,920 Speaker 1: graduate programs and ah but what does one do with 1220 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: a graduate degree in mathematics? Tends to teach more math 1221 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: teaching and is the profession that a lot of women 1222 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,640 Speaker 1: who have higher degrees in mathematics go into. Men who 1223 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:11,560 Speaker 1: are mathematically inclined may go into electrical chemical engineering, mechanical engineering, 1224 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,519 Speaker 1: and coding, software coding, Silicon Valley stuff. Right, So that's 1225 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,040 Speaker 1: just that's just one example. But it's not that women 1226 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,479 Speaker 1: can't do math. By the way, I'm a guy who's 1227 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,160 Speaker 1: not very good at math. I was good at other things, 1228 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,200 Speaker 1: but math was not my thing. So, you know, would 1229 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,160 Speaker 1: far be it for me to try to make some 1230 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,960 Speaker 1: sort of argument about male and women men and women's 1231 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,800 Speaker 1: mathematical abilities. You know, ms Molly's better at math and 1232 01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,320 Speaker 1: I am when I need to get to a calculation 1233 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,479 Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, honey, can you you know she's 1234 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,720 Speaker 1: really good at that stuff. I'm I'm okay, I'm not 1235 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,639 Speaker 1: great at math. So but then this this turns into 1236 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,840 Speaker 1: a well, there's an old boys club at work in 1237 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. It's not just that women aren't choosing uh, 1238 01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:57,559 Speaker 1: software engineering and coding and tech as their profession. It's 1239 01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,759 Speaker 1: that men are keeping them out because they're high status 1240 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,080 Speaker 1: per sessions with high pay. Okay, well, someone explained to me, 1241 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,200 Speaker 1: if there is this, uh, this male illuminati, you know, 1242 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:15,040 Speaker 1: this secret international brotherhood of bros that's preventing women from 1243 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,640 Speaker 1: succeeding in technology careers, to the same member, there are 1244 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,280 Speaker 1: women in tech, Mercy mayor wildly overpaid ceo of Yeah, 1245 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,200 Speaker 1: who I mean, of course, right, Arianna huffing, I'm the 1246 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 1: best CEO. I have it. I'm taking over now. You know, 1247 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,160 Speaker 1: there are plenty of women in tech, but they're the representation. 1248 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,599 Speaker 1: The numbers are not the same. They say there's a gap, right, 1249 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,439 Speaker 1: it's a difference between men and women. It's not that 1250 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,240 Speaker 1: there aren't women, and no one says there aren't or 1251 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't be women. But we get into the theory that 1252 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:48,320 Speaker 1: it's because men are suppressing women. Men won't let women 1253 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,280 Speaker 1: work in these fields, and the numbers bear that out 1254 01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,280 Speaker 1: in technology and engineering and in Silicon Valley, which is 1255 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,920 Speaker 1: now the most lucrative and powerful sector really of the U. S. 1256 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Economy in a lot of ways. So that's why getting 1257 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot of attention, that's why this Google memo gets 1258 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,280 Speaker 1: a lot of attention. But let's test this theory let's 1259 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,200 Speaker 1: test out the question next. Our women kept from high 1260 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,439 Speaker 1: paying jobs in technology and from leading these companies because 1261 01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:16,920 Speaker 1: they're women or because of something else. Mark in Florida 1262 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,559 Speaker 1: on w f L A, what's up, Mark, I'll standing 1263 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,880 Speaker 1: thank you taking my call again, and thank you for 1264 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,920 Speaker 1: your service. I didn't get to thank you last time, 1265 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,200 Speaker 1: but anyway, I just want to throw something out there 1266 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,559 Speaker 1: for you and and all the listeners to chew on. Um. 1267 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I've been listening to you because cable is horrible, 1268 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 1: so I listened to the radio a lot, and my 1269 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,040 Speaker 1: quality of life has improved enormous. You're smart, man. It's 1270 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,840 Speaker 1: a good choice. You learn a lot more from this 1271 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,759 Speaker 1: show than you are from watching TV. I can promise 1272 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,960 Speaker 1: you that. Hey, I know it, brother, but anyway, I 1273 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 1: know your time is valuable, so I'll make it quick here. Uh, 1274 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over fort for things that you went over. 1275 01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,040 Speaker 1: One of them will not be in order, but one 1276 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,000 Speaker 1: of them was the North Korean propaganda inside and outside 1277 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,120 Speaker 1: and what they're trying to tell their people in the 1278 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,280 Speaker 1: rest of the world, and it's just in short crazy 1279 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,519 Speaker 1: second segment was the New York Times League, which is 1280 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,640 Speaker 1: a nine league. You know it's about to say. I 1281 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,680 Speaker 1: just my producer just told me the report's been out 1282 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,760 Speaker 1: there for months, but that was reported his league. But 1283 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: it's already out. Oh yeah, everybody's every correct. Yes. And 1284 01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,719 Speaker 1: just on a side note of that, the Big Gray 1285 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 1: Lady is I call it kind of looks like the 1286 01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,960 Speaker 1: same Soviet sea met style buildings and uh, North Korea. 1287 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,960 Speaker 1: But that's a sidebar. But anyway, so we got the 1288 01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,760 Speaker 1: propaganda North Korea, which is horrible, and we got the 1289 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,599 Speaker 1: New York Times, which is just what it is. And uh, 1290 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,160 Speaker 1: then you just talked about this Google memo. This guy, 1291 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,200 Speaker 1: this guy is my hero, and boy is he in 1292 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,160 Speaker 1: for it? And I can just imagine, you know, we 1293 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,280 Speaker 1: all know what he's going through right now. Uh, it's 1294 01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,080 Speaker 1: it's lunacy, frankly, because it's true that we are different 1295 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,800 Speaker 1: and where that's what makes us great. But if you 1296 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,720 Speaker 1: were to say it, you're gonna get in trouble, which 1297 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,720 Speaker 1: he has. My point is the fourth segment that I 1298 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:04,640 Speaker 1: mentioned out the water is the opioid uh problem. You 1299 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,720 Speaker 1: said what you talked about, why is it? Why are 1300 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,840 Speaker 1: people trying to escape? You know, I think it's obvious. 1301 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,440 Speaker 1: Look at the world we live and we're just surrounded 1302 01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:20,439 Speaker 1: by by reasons to make people want to escape. So anyway, 1303 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: I think about that thanks to having well, I'll hanging 1304 01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,120 Speaker 1: up in mosten for your response shield time mark, thank 1305 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,040 Speaker 1: you sir. You know, on the on the opioid epidemic. 1306 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,320 Speaker 1: I do think I think that the I think that 1307 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,240 Speaker 1: we have a lot of people who are um because 1308 01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:40,040 Speaker 1: of the constant presence of I don't even beat up 1309 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,840 Speaker 1: on just social media, but just our ability now with 1310 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,759 Speaker 1: screens everywhere, we connect without really connecting, and we see 1311 01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:54,519 Speaker 1: a a curated and edited view of the world around us. 1312 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,960 Speaker 1: And I don't mean the world around us like what's 1313 01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,400 Speaker 1: going on in in North Korea and Iran and Zimbabwe 1314 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,960 Speaker 1: and and you know, Germany or whatever. I mean what 1315 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,080 Speaker 1: our perceptions are of of the people in our society 1316 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 1: here in America, who's successful, what everyone else looks like, 1317 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 1: how much fun they're having, and so we we see this, 1318 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,360 Speaker 1: and you know, what you don't see are the struggles, 1319 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,080 Speaker 1: and what you don't have are the real connections that 1320 01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,559 Speaker 1: come from dealing with and interacting with actual human beings 1321 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,559 Speaker 1: and helping them and showing them kindness and laughing at 1322 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,760 Speaker 1: their jokes or telling them jokes that they laugh at, 1323 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,679 Speaker 1: and you know, social media isn't a proxy for those things. 1324 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,360 Speaker 1: And you know, like, I think there's an argument to 1325 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,240 Speaker 1: be made for lack of particularly with with my generation 1326 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,320 Speaker 1: and those about ten years older than me, lack of 1327 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,759 Speaker 1: church attendance, lack of connection to community. Um, those who 1328 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,400 Speaker 1: you know haven't started families or have families where they 1329 01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,080 Speaker 1: feel like they're not able to provide the way they 1330 01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,320 Speaker 1: want to. I mean, there's there's a lot, there's a 1331 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,240 Speaker 1: lot of dysfunction out there, and that people are they're 1332 01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,400 Speaker 1: in pain, and they're worried. And I understand, Um, I 1333 01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,880 Speaker 1: understand that. So anyway, that's more. I'll get into more 1334 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,360 Speaker 1: on the opioids. That that's gonna be an ongoing conversation. 1335 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,599 Speaker 1: I'm really I mean, it's terrible, but I'm also deeply 1336 01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,240 Speaker 1: interested in trying to get to the why why are 1337 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,360 Speaker 1: people doing this? It's changed, something is different now. Um. 1338 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,879 Speaker 1: But all right, So I I had about an hour's 1339 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,880 Speaker 1: worth of Google Memo stuff to talk to you about. 1340 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say this because I could talk 1341 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,280 Speaker 1: to about this forever and and and we're not forever. 1342 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 1: But there's a lot more. Maybe I'll revisit it tomorrow 1343 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,800 Speaker 1: because I've got Sean Davis joining, and then I got 1344 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,639 Speaker 1: some some closing thoughts to share with you on the show. 1345 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,559 Speaker 1: Sean will do a great job talking to us about 1346 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,479 Speaker 1: the the Google memo, the anti diversity screed as it 1347 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,320 Speaker 1: was called on the Gizmodo website that I saw it 1348 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,320 Speaker 1: on at first. So the storyline you'll hear from the 1349 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,800 Speaker 1: feminists and the left is that men oppressed women and 1350 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,120 Speaker 1: keep them out of top positions and engineering positions. But 1351 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,840 Speaker 1: then you'd have to ask the question, if you want 1352 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,680 Speaker 1: to take this theory as serious, has already said you 1353 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,320 Speaker 1: math ability, We've already we've established that there's not there's 1354 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,240 Speaker 1: no differential between math ability with men and women. Even 1355 01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,640 Speaker 1: in the aggregate, there's there's no noticeable differential. And then 1356 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,679 Speaker 1: they do these personality trait analyzes and some will say, well, 1357 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,080 Speaker 1: you know that doesn't show anything either, because men and 1358 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,200 Speaker 1: women are are the same, and nine of personality traits, 1359 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,200 Speaker 1: well of ten percent of those personality traits are things 1360 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:24,519 Speaker 1: like aggressiveness and assertiveness. Else can be really big differences 1361 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,519 Speaker 1: in in the workplace, and how that all how that 1362 01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,040 Speaker 1: shows up when you're talking about large populations of millions 1363 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,200 Speaker 1: of people. Even a relatively small difference can have a 1364 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,360 Speaker 1: really noticeable impact. Okay, but more to the point about 1365 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,680 Speaker 1: this keeping women out of these professions, because this is 1366 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,720 Speaker 1: the story, This is the this is the lie, this 1367 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:46,280 Speaker 1: is the line. Uh, why can't they keep them out 1368 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:51,840 Speaker 1: of being veterinary, being vets veterinarians. Why can't they keep 1369 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,760 Speaker 1: them out of biology? Why can't they keep them out 1370 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,320 Speaker 1: of pio pediatrics. These are all fields that are lucrative, 1371 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,400 Speaker 1: well paid, that women dominated in terms of the energies. 1372 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just a question of choices of women making 1373 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,439 Speaker 1: different choices about the fields they want to go into. 1374 01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,759 Speaker 1: Isn't that a crazy idea? We're talking to Sean Davis 1375 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,240 Speaker 1: now about all these things. He is co founder of 1376 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,200 Speaker 1: the Federalist. You can read his latest on the Federalist 1377 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,200 Speaker 1: dot com. The Google diversity memo that everyone is freaking 1378 01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,680 Speaker 1: out about. Well, let's talk about it. Sean, great to 1379 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,320 Speaker 1: have you, great to be here. Thank you for having me. 1380 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,280 Speaker 1: First off, can can we just give me a snapshot 1381 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,400 Speaker 1: Sean Davis style of how much disinformation there is out 1382 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,160 Speaker 1: there about this memo. I feel like at some point, 1383 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,120 Speaker 1: maybe CNN should actually have somebody read the memo if 1384 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,800 Speaker 1: they're going to write about the memo. Yeah, that's a shocking, 1385 01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,719 Speaker 1: shocking thing to uh to offer that maybe reporters should 1386 01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,600 Speaker 1: read things before commenting on them. So, I guess my 1387 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,200 Speaker 1: one sentence characterization of the whole debate is that pretty 1388 01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,439 Speaker 1: much everyone in media is lying about what this Google 1389 01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,160 Speaker 1: scientists said, and they're lying about it in a very 1390 01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,879 Speaker 1: predictable way, namely that which comforts the left and attacks 1391 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,599 Speaker 1: the right. Yeah, they're saying that this guy who has 1392 01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know this at the time it just came 1393 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,760 Speaker 1: out today has a PhD in biology from Harvard, as 1394 01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,680 Speaker 1: I understand it, so one would think somewhat qualified to 1395 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:21,799 Speaker 1: comment on scientific matters and the socio biological discussions about 1396 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,800 Speaker 1: different fields and whether they appeal more to men or women. 1397 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,160 Speaker 1: But it's being reported as this guy said women can't 1398 01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,920 Speaker 1: do math and engineering. That's not what he said at all. 1399 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,640 Speaker 1: All right, Brooke Baldwin went on scene in Now this 1400 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,200 Speaker 1: is a scene and anchor, This isn't some chucklehead that's 1401 01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,520 Speaker 1: just brought on. Is like a rando to do commentary 1402 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,040 Speaker 1: for a minute, As I pulled my caller to the 1403 01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,920 Speaker 1: right nervously meet me too. I'm like, who does that? 1404 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,559 Speaker 1: Who goes on TV with their just spouting off crazy people? 1405 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,639 Speaker 1: You know this? This isn't an anchor for CNN and said, 1406 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, the memo essentially said that that women couldn't 1407 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:02,840 Speaker 1: be near computers. Uh No, it didn't. Um. And if 1408 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,360 Speaker 1: that kind of screed does anything, uh, it tells me 1409 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,680 Speaker 1: that maybe Brooke Baldwin doesn't know how to get to 1410 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,479 Speaker 1: a computer to read an actual memo, because that's not 1411 01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,280 Speaker 1: what the memo said at all. Actually, what it said 1412 01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:19,120 Speaker 1: was what Google has some ideological diversity problems, which leads 1413 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,200 Speaker 1: to it being an ideological echo chamber. And because of 1414 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,160 Speaker 1: its echo chamber nature, Google does things that might not 1415 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,559 Speaker 1: actually be helping the people it wants to help. And therefore, 1416 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,040 Speaker 1: here are some ways we can do the things that 1417 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,639 Speaker 1: we all agree we want to do, uh, without having 1418 01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,360 Speaker 1: to discriminate against them. That was the essence of the 1419 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,120 Speaker 1: entire memo. And people lost their minds over it. And 1420 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,680 Speaker 1: you have NPR, I mean, you can't make this stuff up. 1421 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,840 Speaker 1: Sean NPR reporting that women who work for Google we're 1422 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,040 Speaker 1: staying home because they were so upset by the existence 1423 01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,880 Speaker 1: of this anti diversity memos. It's being called, which I 1424 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,360 Speaker 1: have to say, is a pretty weird way to protest 1425 01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,559 Speaker 1: a memo that you think is saying that women are 1426 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:11,759 Speaker 1: emotional and not involved in engineering because of their biological predisposition. Uh, 1427 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,800 Speaker 1: it's a strange thing to say. Well, I'm just gonna 1428 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,680 Speaker 1: stay home because I'm so upset. Now, I don't think 1429 01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,360 Speaker 1: that's a good way to protest this. Oh no, it 1430 01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,639 Speaker 1: was amazing. So so what the author didn't his memo again, 1431 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,280 Speaker 1: the point of which was to find ways James daymore 1432 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:28,760 Speaker 1: by the way or the more, I don't know how 1433 01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,960 Speaker 1: we say it, but that's the name the author, Go ahead, Yeah, 1434 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,519 Speaker 1: he wanted to find ways to make Google a better 1435 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,639 Speaker 1: workplace for women and minorities and so. On the topic 1436 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,080 Speaker 1: of the difference between the sexes, he said, you know what, 1437 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:45,320 Speaker 1: research shows that compared to two men, women uh tend 1438 01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,280 Speaker 1: to be more people based, more relationship based, where men 1439 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,960 Speaker 1: are more thing based. Women tend to be more anxious 1440 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,439 Speaker 1: about things than men do, and women tend to focus 1441 01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,799 Speaker 1: more on work life balance, whereas men tend to focus 1442 01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,799 Speaker 1: more or unstatused. So here are some things that Google 1443 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,799 Speaker 1: can do to make Google a better place for people 1444 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,080 Speaker 1: with those priorities to work in. And so their response 1445 01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,479 Speaker 1: to being told that, you know what, women tend to 1446 01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 1: be prone to anxiety more than men, and they decide 1447 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,719 Speaker 1: that they've been triggered and can't come to work because 1448 01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,760 Speaker 1: somebody said something in a memo. I mean, everything that 1449 01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,640 Speaker 1: has happened here, it's almost like Google is trying to 1450 01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:29,040 Speaker 1: confirm in affirm every single criticism that was levied against 1451 01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,960 Speaker 1: it in that memorandum. And I think it's fascinating that 1452 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,320 Speaker 1: there are just some some logical or fallacies of logic here, 1453 01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:42,560 Speaker 1: or or they fall into all kinds of self contradiction. 1454 01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there are these programs, and he talks about 1455 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,120 Speaker 1: this in in the memo, this ten page long memo, 1456 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,120 Speaker 1: which I do recommend everybody read, by the way. Uh 1457 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,240 Speaker 1: He He goes into how there are certain classes and 1458 01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:56,760 Speaker 1: and and positions that are only open two women as 1459 01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,559 Speaker 1: a as a means of trying to get more women 1460 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,280 Speaker 1: involved in the workplace because that is greater quote diversity, 1461 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,640 Speaker 1: which will be better for the company. But then to 1462 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:10,120 Speaker 1: discuss what diversity really means, is that diversity and how 1463 01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,040 Speaker 1: are people different is to somehow transgress and be some 1464 01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,360 Speaker 1: evil neanderthal, right. I mean, on the one hand, they're saying, 1465 01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,479 Speaker 1: more women, because women are different, makes things better. And 1466 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,679 Speaker 1: then on the other hand, it's well, if women are different, 1467 01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,160 Speaker 1: how are they different? How dare you say women are different? 1468 01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. No, it's madness. On one end, 1469 01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:33,760 Speaker 1: you have people demanding we must have paid maternity leave 1470 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,760 Speaker 1: for for this amount of time. And then on the 1471 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,320 Speaker 1: other hand they're saying, well, no, no, but men and 1472 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:44,240 Speaker 1: women are not different physically, emotionally at all. We'll pick 1473 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,960 Speaker 1: one like you can't have both of them even even either. 1474 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,920 Speaker 1: We are different, and you know, maybe those differences should 1475 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,200 Speaker 1: be celebrated. Maybe they're good things. Maybe we should find 1476 01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,599 Speaker 1: ways to use people's unique strengths, um, all across the company. 1477 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,240 Speaker 1: But no, they go into they assume that any discussion 1478 01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,599 Speaker 1: about differences is negative and then attack anyone who has 1479 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,519 Speaker 1: the audacity. So, you know what, people are different, and um, 1480 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,960 Speaker 1: they value different things. So let's find ways to make 1481 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,519 Speaker 1: all those different people comfortable that that's the whole point 1482 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,240 Speaker 1: of the memo. And the fact of the matter is 1483 01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,000 Speaker 1: the guy called out would appears to be some illegal 1484 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:23,240 Speaker 1: discriminatory activity going on at Google. Read in the New 1485 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,240 Speaker 1: York Times, so huge caveat there may not even be 1486 01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,880 Speaker 1: true that he had filed an official complaint with the 1487 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,760 Speaker 1: National Labor Relations Board about illegal discriminatory discriminatory practices going 1488 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,840 Speaker 1: on there. So for all we know, he may bee 1489 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,720 Speaker 1: end up may end up getting a big fat settlement 1490 01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,520 Speaker 1: um as a result of the retaliation that he suffered, 1491 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:48,080 Speaker 1: uh for whistle blowing against Google's potentially illegal discrimination practice. Yeah, 1492 01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,240 Speaker 1: this guy. But we're speaking of Shan Davis, who's co 1493 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,200 Speaker 1: found of the Federalist, and he's got some great stuff 1494 01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,280 Speaker 1: up on the Federalist dot com right now about the 1495 01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,720 Speaker 1: Google anti diversity memo, which I don't even that's not 1496 01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,240 Speaker 1: a proper description of it, but that how it's being described, 1497 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,120 Speaker 1: and so if you're kind of trying to find it online, 1498 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,320 Speaker 1: that may be one way to go here. But Sean, 1499 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,719 Speaker 1: this guy is very This individual who wrote this membo, 1500 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,840 Speaker 1: James James Daymore, is really savvy. Clearly knew that there 1501 01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,680 Speaker 1: would be a tremendous amount of backlash for this. It 1502 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,960 Speaker 1: seems like he'd been preparing for that possibility. And I 1503 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:24,479 Speaker 1: think that this is coming out of particularly opportune time 1504 01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:30,439 Speaker 1: when it comes to the progressive tyranny in workplaces, on 1505 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,320 Speaker 1: college campuses. You know, the Trump administration is going to 1506 01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:38,360 Speaker 1: be looking at discriminatory practices in admissions on college campuses 1507 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,040 Speaker 1: that will immediately, I think, or or very soon thereafter 1508 01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,160 Speaker 1: also lead to discriminary discriminatory practices in the workplace, where 1509 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,960 Speaker 1: the Left will be forced to justify what it has 1510 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,800 Speaker 1: been doing for a long time, which is picking and 1511 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,080 Speaker 1: choosing who gets extra benefits and who doesn't, which is discrimination. 1512 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,719 Speaker 1: Even if it's even if it's in favor of women 1513 01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,679 Speaker 1: in the workplace, they are in fact discriminating in favor 1514 01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:06,559 Speaker 1: of roughly the population. Yeah. This everything that's happening now 1515 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,000 Speaker 1: is is like the the unholy loved child of Boorwell 1516 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,200 Speaker 1: and Costca. Okay, so you know, for a long time 1517 01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,000 Speaker 1: we were told, oh, corporations don't have rights, they don't 1518 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,400 Speaker 1: have speech rights, they don't have conscience rights, and by 1519 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,360 Speaker 1: the way, baked that cake, bigot. We went from that 1520 01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,240 Speaker 1: to suddenly, oh, well, you know, Google has the freedom 1521 01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,880 Speaker 1: to police its own ranks, and if somebody says something 1522 01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,240 Speaker 1: they don't agree with, well, surely free market capitalists can 1523 01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,960 Speaker 1: come on and say, at a boy, Google, you're allowed 1524 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,800 Speaker 1: to employe whomever you want. Okay, these little tin pot 1525 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,280 Speaker 1: fascists on the left, they need to pick one set 1526 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,479 Speaker 1: of rules and stick with it and apply the same 1527 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,080 Speaker 1: rules to themselves as they apply to the rest of us. 1528 01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,160 Speaker 1: Because I'm getting pretty dang sick of the double standard. Yeah, 1529 01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,400 Speaker 1: how is it that on the one hand they can 1530 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,479 Speaker 1: tell you who you can and cannot hire based upon 1531 01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:56,040 Speaker 1: pretty arbitrary group protections decided upon by the progressive left, 1532 01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,559 Speaker 1: and then on the other you've got some of the 1533 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,960 Speaker 1: same people you know from the the huff most young 1534 01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,360 Speaker 1: Turk's Slate dot com side of the political spectrum, who 1535 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,080 Speaker 1: seemed to think, well, yeah, of course you can get 1536 01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,880 Speaker 1: fired for being a conservative. Well, hold on a second, 1537 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,360 Speaker 1: why is that? Okay, yeah, pick one. I mean, it's 1538 01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,599 Speaker 1: the inanity of it all. And let's not forget that 1539 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,519 Speaker 1: the Google's whole stick it's model for a while was 1540 01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,960 Speaker 1: don't be evil. Now, this is the same corporation that 1541 01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,799 Speaker 1: very willingly in eagle eagerly went in censored search results 1542 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,320 Speaker 1: in China, uh so that they could stay in the 1543 01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,280 Speaker 1: good graces of the of the communist government there that 1544 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,960 Speaker 1: oppresses its people. I mean, Google went out of its 1545 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:40,600 Speaker 1: way to sensor information for an evil communist regime that 1546 01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,120 Speaker 1: takes great pleasure in oppressing and repressing its own people, 1547 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,040 Speaker 1: and they want us to believe that they're just trying 1548 01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,840 Speaker 1: to stand up for common decency and morality. It's a 1549 01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,680 Speaker 1: complete joke. And I have to say yesterday I was 1550 01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,439 Speaker 1: on the show and I was talking about this memo, 1551 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,080 Speaker 1: just as it was starting to get really going a 1552 01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,160 Speaker 1: lot of attention, and I said, I think this guy 1553 01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,280 Speaker 1: is gonna get fired, and people were like, oh no, 1554 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,720 Speaker 1: they Google wouldn't be so foolish and so obvious as 1555 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,280 Speaker 1: to fire a guy who writes a very well thought 1556 01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,760 Speaker 1: out I think very compelling in parts, if not in 1557 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,160 Speaker 1: a whole argument about what's going on with It's not 1558 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,639 Speaker 1: just about men and women at Google and engineering. It's 1559 01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:20,760 Speaker 1: about the group think. It's about bias. It's about refusing 1560 01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,439 Speaker 1: to allow for alternative viewpoints in a corporate culture that's 1561 01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:28,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be all about ideas and that's all swept 1562 01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,640 Speaker 1: to the side, and it's this guy wants women, you know, 1563 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,439 Speaker 1: wearing aprons and cooking like we're back in the fifties. 1564 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,280 Speaker 1: It's a complete smear. But I think Sean that that 1565 01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,720 Speaker 1: the sloppiness of the smear. And this goes back to 1566 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,439 Speaker 1: how we started the conversation. With the way the media 1567 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,800 Speaker 1: is talking about this in portraying it, I think that's 1568 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,280 Speaker 1: indicative of the fact that they don't really want to 1569 01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,920 Speaker 1: have this argument on the merits because they'll lose because 1570 01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,240 Speaker 1: because there is data, and the data doesn't show what 1571 01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,880 Speaker 1: they wanted to show, which is that men are oppressing women, 1572 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,840 Speaker 1: and men are you know, most men I don't know, 1573 01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,760 Speaker 1: by the way, quite quite fond of women in the workplace. 1574 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,960 Speaker 1: And otherwise, you know, there's notion that men don't like 1575 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,479 Speaker 1: women that feminists have latched don't do for decades. It's 1576 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,760 Speaker 1: just really a fantasy. Well it's it's a piece of 1577 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:13,160 Speaker 1: with this silly fake staff that women only makes seventy 1578 01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:16,920 Speaker 1: seven percent of what men make for the same job. Okay, well, 1579 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm a capitalist and if that were actually true, I 1580 01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,400 Speaker 1: would only hire women because I would be getting the 1581 01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:26,000 Speaker 1: exact same thing, with the exact same experience for less. 1582 01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,200 Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is it's just a lie. 1583 01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,120 Speaker 1: And if I have to quipple with one thing, you said, um, 1584 01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,200 Speaker 1: you said. They don't want to argue this issue on 1585 01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,360 Speaker 1: the merit. They don't want to argue any issue on 1586 01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:41,400 Speaker 1: the merits. They lie and misrepresent an obvious kate everything. 1587 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,519 Speaker 1: They do it on guns, they do it on tax as, 1588 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,040 Speaker 1: they do it on foreign policy. This is no different. 1589 01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:49,879 Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm surprised, but I shouldn't be. When Google, 1590 01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:54,400 Speaker 1: after reading a memo called Google's ideological echo Chamber, goes 1591 01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,080 Speaker 1: and fires the guy for it. This is not an 1592 01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,880 Speaker 1: aberration for the left. This is who the left is. 1593 01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,120 Speaker 1: This is what they do is. John Gabriel has said, 1594 01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, the left one the cultural war now just 1595 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,080 Speaker 1: roaming the countryside looking for survivors to shoot. This is 1596 01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,639 Speaker 1: part of that. They want to root out everyone guilty 1597 01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,200 Speaker 1: of wrong thing and persecute them. It's as simple as that. 1598 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,920 Speaker 1: Sean Davis, everybody, he is co founder of the Federalist. 1599 01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:18,759 Speaker 1: He does great stuff there and if you're on Twitter, 1600 01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,599 Speaker 1: highly recommend you follow Sean at s E A N 1601 01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,800 Speaker 1: M D A V at Sewan M D A V. Sean. 1602 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for making the time for us to know you're 1603 01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,559 Speaker 1: busy this week. Come back soon always a pleasure. Thank you, Buck. 1604 01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,240 Speaker 1: What are the scams that you have to be on 1605 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:37,280 Speaker 1: the lookout for these days? Something that all of us 1606 01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:42,920 Speaker 1: have to deal with, especially in the digital global Internet economy, 1607 01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:47,400 Speaker 1: you are subjected to all kinds of pitfalls, all sorts 1608 01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: of problems. But some of them also are pretty old school. 1609 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:52,519 Speaker 1: Some of the things you have to be on the 1610 01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,160 Speaker 1: lookout for when it comes to people who are trying 1611 01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,240 Speaker 1: to get into your pocket and take your cash or 1612 01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,519 Speaker 1: worse and m cases. There's this piece out and market 1613 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,320 Speaker 1: Watch that I thought was really interesting. I had to 1614 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,760 Speaker 1: do with the areas of greatest consumer complaint and with 1615 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,479 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand consumer complaints that they went through in 1616 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,160 Speaker 1: one are the things that you gotta be on guard against. Now, 1617 01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:22,200 Speaker 1: let me say, first of all, um, you I'm sure 1618 01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,519 Speaker 1: you could guess some of them. I'll give you the 1619 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:30,800 Speaker 1: full the full list, and it's auto, home improvement, construction, utilities, 1620 01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:36,559 Speaker 1: retail sales, credit debt services, health products, landlord tenant, internet sales, 1621 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,679 Speaker 1: home solicitation. Now, I went through that list pretty quickly. 1622 01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Some of your probably like Bucks slow down because yeah, 1623 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,960 Speaker 1: of course those are all the area those are the 1624 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,400 Speaker 1: areas where people might try to scam you. Right. It's 1625 01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,760 Speaker 1: it's pretty hard for your grocery store to scam you 1626 01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,080 Speaker 1: because there's so much competition and the items are a 1627 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,439 Speaker 1: relatively low priced. And you know, if someone tries to 1628 01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:58,120 Speaker 1: sell you a gallon of milk for thirty dollars, I mean, 1629 01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,839 Speaker 1: unless it's like again, Steina blue milk is like these 1630 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:06,559 Speaker 1: special cows named like a cowny, like Harold, and Harold 1631 01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,960 Speaker 1: the cow he's like massaged and like gets plenty of 1632 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,840 Speaker 1: elliptical exercise and he's the best milk. I mean, yeah, 1633 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,560 Speaker 1: sure there are there's like raw milk out there, and 1634 01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,840 Speaker 1: there's a really fancy milk. Anyway, thirty dollar milk. You're 1635 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,519 Speaker 1: most of you are gonna be like, I don't think so. Um, 1636 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,320 Speaker 1: but here are places where it is easy to get scammed. 1637 01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,040 Speaker 1: And one of them came up recently that they say fraud. 1638 01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,760 Speaker 1: And that's of course the biggest consumer complaints still and 1639 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,960 Speaker 1: a lot of that is Internet based. But one thing 1640 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,360 Speaker 1: to be on the lookout for. I came up against 1641 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,360 Speaker 1: this when I was trying to sell some furniture when 1642 01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,680 Speaker 1: I moved. You know, I figure, how hard is this 1643 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,759 Speaker 1: right cash and carry? You know, I'll give you my dresser, 1644 01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,240 Speaker 1: you give me fifty bucks. By the way, I turned out, 1645 01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,719 Speaker 1: I couldn't even get fifty furniture in New York City. 1646 01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 1: Old wooden furniture has almost uh no value on the 1647 01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:01,280 Speaker 1: open market. It's very hard to find anybody, um, anybody 1648 01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,759 Speaker 1: who will, you know, come and take away your furniture 1649 01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:08,640 Speaker 1: and pay you money for it. So anyway, I I think, uh, 1650 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,519 Speaker 1: that's that's one aspect of all this. But I thought 1651 01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,920 Speaker 1: it would be easy trying to get people to pay 1652 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,080 Speaker 1: me for my things. And what you find out is 1653 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,720 Speaker 1: that scamsters immediately jump on this as an opportunity. And 1654 01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,040 Speaker 1: what they do is they either try to give you 1655 01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:28,360 Speaker 1: a check or a money order, and then they get 1656 01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,360 Speaker 1: your stuff. And they'll even hire a truck to go 1657 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,919 Speaker 1: all around the city and they'll get all this stuff 1658 01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,240 Speaker 1: and they'll have the I suppose the driver, maybe the 1659 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,519 Speaker 1: drivers in on it, maybe is not give people these 1660 01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,000 Speaker 1: money orders or these checks. And it takes, you know, 1661 01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,679 Speaker 1: a week or two for the check to clear, and 1662 01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,479 Speaker 1: when there, the money is not in the account, the 1663 01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,360 Speaker 1: person is long gone. There's a very old scam, but 1664 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,520 Speaker 1: it still works incredibly well because these guys have stories, 1665 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,000 Speaker 1: and stories are very powerful, right. Stories play on human emotion, 1666 01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,800 Speaker 1: and so they'll say, oh, that dresser looks like one 1667 01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,360 Speaker 1: that you know, my aunt ethel gave me, and you know, 1668 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,599 Speaker 1: I'll pay you. I'll pay you full price, and i'll 1669 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,360 Speaker 1: pay you a thirty dollar convenience fee, and I'll write 1670 01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,160 Speaker 1: you a check and i'll pick it up tomorrow. You 1671 01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,120 Speaker 1: go through all this and it's all a fraud. And 1672 01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,439 Speaker 1: I had people try to do that to me, even 1673 01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:16,479 Speaker 1: with a few items that I was trying to sell. 1674 01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,800 Speaker 1: So that's one commonplace for all. Any time you're selling 1675 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,720 Speaker 1: anything online, you gotta be super careful. And obviously you 1676 01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,080 Speaker 1: don't give anybody your credentials, your passwords, any of that 1677 01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,120 Speaker 1: stuff ever. Ever. Ever, that's a big one too. Okay, 1678 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:32,960 Speaker 1: But the other two areas that I thought were entering 1679 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,360 Speaker 1: these were well, one of them is kind of a 1680 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,720 Speaker 1: new variation on a little one, and that is use 1681 01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:41,879 Speaker 1: car leases. Again. This is from this market Watch report 1682 01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,680 Speaker 1: on the biggest consumer complaints, basically places where you can 1683 01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,960 Speaker 1: get scammed. I'm trying to talk to you about what 1684 01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,559 Speaker 1: you've got to be in the lookout for, because I, well, 1685 01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,800 Speaker 1: I knew it was a scam and didn't fall for it. 1686 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,640 Speaker 1: But you know, someone tried to scam me when I 1687 01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,760 Speaker 1: was moving, right, I had a few people try to 1688 01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:00,200 Speaker 1: scam me so uh, here's what you got to keep 1689 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:04,439 Speaker 1: an eye off for with used car leasing now elesa 1690 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,720 Speaker 1: used car because the biggest upfront costs in a car 1691 01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,480 Speaker 1: that you're gonna pay with a lease is the depreciation 1692 01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,280 Speaker 1: of the vehicle, and appreciation the first two years is 1693 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,479 Speaker 1: the steepest. So if you get a car or used 1694 01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,400 Speaker 1: car or pre owned as the term of art is 1695 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,559 Speaker 1: pre owned vehicles, do you have your pre owned vehicle 1696 01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,360 Speaker 1: and your grey poupon? Uh? If you do go the 1697 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,280 Speaker 1: pre owned route, though, a lot of that depreciation has 1698 01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,160 Speaker 1: already been factored into what the previous owner either well 1699 01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,479 Speaker 1: usually paid in lease payments, but maybe if they owned it, 1700 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,280 Speaker 1: owned it and turned it in. So you're gonna get 1701 01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good deal. The problem is that, first of all, 1702 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,200 Speaker 1: they've been going after and I know about this from 1703 01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,360 Speaker 1: some of the finance guys that I do a side 1704 01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:48,680 Speaker 1: project with UM that a lot of the subprime borrowers 1705 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,880 Speaker 1: in the auto market, they've they've really tapped out on 1706 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,760 Speaker 1: that and they've been going after pretty uh on, you know, 1707 01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,680 Speaker 1: pretty bad credit risks to give them auto loans. This 1708 01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,879 Speaker 1: has been a big thing, and there's some major financial 1709 01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:04,240 Speaker 1: institutions that have put out a ton of auto loans, 1710 01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:09,599 Speaker 1: including subprime, really bad risk auto loans out there. Uh, 1711 01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,720 Speaker 1: and there's just there's just too many. They're honestly just 1712 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,160 Speaker 1: too many cars. And peep cars are lasting longer, need 1713 01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,639 Speaker 1: fewer repairs, people are happier with the car they have, 1714 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:18,960 Speaker 1: they don't need to And the cost of a new 1715 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,360 Speaker 1: car now the average costs of new cars over thirty dollars, 1716 01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,880 Speaker 1: which is amazingly high to me. So they're they're trying 1717 01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,320 Speaker 1: to find ways to extract more. And the used car 1718 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,639 Speaker 1: sales game for for you, or used car lease game 1719 01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:38,040 Speaker 1: involves a lot of uh, gotta read, You've gotta read 1720 01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,439 Speaker 1: below the you know, read the fine print, read below 1721 01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,160 Speaker 1: the dotted line. There's a lot of ways that they 1722 01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:48,160 Speaker 1: try to sneak in additional payments, jack up the percentage 1723 01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,760 Speaker 1: rate on you, and it's just becoming and because the 1724 01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:55,719 Speaker 1: margins are getting tighter, it's becoming a slimier, slimier segment 1725 01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,320 Speaker 1: of the auto business, auto leasing business. So keep an 1726 01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,360 Speaker 1: eye out. If you're gonna be leasing a used car, 1727 01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:06,280 Speaker 1: just be very careful with the terms and also understand 1728 01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,599 Speaker 1: that there are some other things you want to keep 1729 01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,840 Speaker 1: in mind, like get a warranty and make sure it's 1730 01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,720 Speaker 1: in writing. Um. You know, one mistake that I made 1731 01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,200 Speaker 1: when I at least a used car years ago was 1732 01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,160 Speaker 1: I didn't take a record of all the pre existing damage, 1733 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,599 Speaker 1: and then when I turned it in at the end 1734 01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,000 Speaker 1: of my lease for that used car, they try to 1735 01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,360 Speaker 1: charge me for the damage. And that was quite a 1736 01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,640 Speaker 1: fight that I had with with the dealer over that. 1737 01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,479 Speaker 1: So you gotta keep an eye on that. But here's 1738 01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,160 Speaker 1: one that I didn't see coming, solar panel sales and installation. 1739 01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,559 Speaker 1: In this market Watch report, uh, they're saying that this 1740 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:46,880 Speaker 1: is increasingly a problem that revolves around bad installation. That's 1741 01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,160 Speaker 1: one of the big things noted in the survey and 1742 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,639 Speaker 1: contract terms that are misleading that they wrote that an 1743 01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,439 Speaker 1: eighty four year This is a quote from the piece, 1744 01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,880 Speaker 1: an eighty four year old man persuaded to sign a 1745 01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,400 Speaker 1: twenty year lease that would obligate his air is if 1746 01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,080 Speaker 1: he dies or buyers if he decides to sell his 1747 01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:07,680 Speaker 1: home to maintain his solar panels. So think about that. 1748 01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,920 Speaker 1: If you get solar panels installed. There's all kinds of regulations, 1749 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,360 Speaker 1: and sure there are some financial incentives, some tax incentives 1750 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,040 Speaker 1: for solar panels but if as part of the installation 1751 01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:22,439 Speaker 1: process you have to create obligations that will extend even 1752 01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:29,000 Speaker 1: beyond your ownership of that home, you may really want 1753 01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,599 Speaker 1: to think twice about that one. UM and you know 1754 01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,200 Speaker 1: solar panels, Oh, you also want to make sure you 1755 01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:38,400 Speaker 1: understand the financing very well. UM and installation of solar 1756 01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,280 Speaker 1: panels is often shoddy. A lot of your probably I 1757 01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:43,240 Speaker 1: don't have solar panels. Who cares. But that's that's an 1758 01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,960 Speaker 1: area where there's a lot of increasing complaints. And then 1759 01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,759 Speaker 1: just back to the originalcy had fraud, use car leases, 1760 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,479 Speaker 1: solar panel installation, and financial terms. These are all the 1761 01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,080 Speaker 1: areas where there's just been a big explosion of consumer complaints. 1762 01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,200 Speaker 1: And fraud is mostly in net stuff. So I was 1763 01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,479 Speaker 1: telling you about the scams where people offer to give 1764 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,400 Speaker 1: you a check or a money order, just anything that 1765 01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,679 Speaker 1: you do, any transaction you're doing on the internet. Unless 1766 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,160 Speaker 1: there's a trusted third party like a PayPal or something 1767 01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:14,639 Speaker 1: in the middle, you really want to do cash. I mean, 1768 01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,679 Speaker 1: you do not accept checks, you do not accept money 1769 01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,200 Speaker 1: orders off the internet. It's a really old scam and 1770 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,280 Speaker 1: it's been running unfortunately effectively for years. That's that's what 1771 01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,880 Speaker 1: people do they just give you a bad check and 1772 01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,080 Speaker 1: you know you don't know, and often I mean, look, 1773 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,280 Speaker 1: if you're selling you know, an old piece of porcelain 1774 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,400 Speaker 1: for fifty bucks or you probably it's not the end 1775 01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:35,840 Speaker 1: of the world either way. So the much bigger issue 1776 01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,559 Speaker 1: still is just people posing as government officials and emails 1777 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,000 Speaker 1: to get your information, posing as the I R rest 1778 01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:45,400 Speaker 1: to get your information, um posing as the I T 1779 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,120 Speaker 1: person from your company. Hackers are very smart. They have 1780 01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,200 Speaker 1: access to linked In and Google and all the rest 1781 01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,360 Speaker 1: of it. They may be able to pinpoint a list 1782 01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,080 Speaker 1: of people at a company and then create an email 1783 01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:58,200 Speaker 1: that looks like your I T. Person. So you just 1784 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:02,840 Speaker 1: you never give uh passwords, You never give any of 1785 01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:07,400 Speaker 1: that stuff to an unsolicited email. And even at small companies, 1786 01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if you own the local autobody shop, if 1787 01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:13,120 Speaker 1: you if you are a part owner of a trucking company, 1788 01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,840 Speaker 1: if you are you know, a farmer and you just 1789 01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,479 Speaker 1: have interactions with you know, the guy who's helping with 1790 01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:22,200 Speaker 1: accounting for your farm. Anyone, anyone can be targeted by 1791 01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:24,800 Speaker 1: these frauds and scamps. So I just I and I 1792 01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,400 Speaker 1: was targeted myself recently, So I wanted to share that 1793 01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:29,120 Speaker 1: info with you. I'm gonna talk to you about my 1794 01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:33,400 Speaker 1: first interaction with the Department of Environmental Protection. Oh so, 1795 01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:36,400 Speaker 1: I moved into a new place recently, team and it's great. 1796 01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:39,519 Speaker 1: I'm loving it. And in fact, I have a little 1797 01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:43,800 Speaker 1: bit of outdoor space here in New York City, which 1798 01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,840 Speaker 1: is a prize thing. Many of you who are sitting 1799 01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,160 Speaker 1: right now listening to me, maybe you're in your car 1800 01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:53,840 Speaker 1: on your way home, but you've got acres. In New 1801 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:58,360 Speaker 1: York you measure outdoor space by the by the square foot, 1802 01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,680 Speaker 1: and really by the square in. I mean, if you've 1803 01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:02,960 Speaker 1: got a tiny little terrorist that you can step out 1804 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:06,160 Speaker 1: on and get some fresh air, that's that's pretty cool. 1805 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,679 Speaker 1: Maybe the air is not so fresh, as I'm sure 1806 01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:10,479 Speaker 1: many of you would point out, but you know, at 1807 01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,720 Speaker 1: least you get something. You know, you can get a 1808 01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,200 Speaker 1: little bit of a of a breeze going um, and 1809 01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:19,320 Speaker 1: it's not quite as sexy as having a washer dryer, 1810 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,320 Speaker 1: which here in New York City is a is a 1811 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:25,080 Speaker 1: status symbol. Although I've also been told recently by friends 1812 01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:28,360 Speaker 1: that the real status similar New York City now for 1813 01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,519 Speaker 1: a lot of folks is how many kids do you have? 1814 01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,840 Speaker 1: And if you stay in the city because children are 1815 01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,920 Speaker 1: so expensive that now it's become showy if you have 1816 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,960 Speaker 1: more than one kid. I think that's pretty funny. My 1817 01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,240 Speaker 1: parents had four kids. I'm one of four here in 1818 01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,800 Speaker 1: the city, and yeah, I shared a room with my 1819 01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,719 Speaker 1: brother's growing up. We had a bunk bed and trundle bed. 1820 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,280 Speaker 1: What's up bunk bed trundle bed. It was amazing. I 1821 01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,160 Speaker 1: was on the middle bunk, the bottom bunk of the 1822 01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:55,639 Speaker 1: bunk bed, My little brother was on the trundle, which 1823 01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,880 Speaker 1: is like a bed that pulls out from beneath the bed, 1824 01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,400 Speaker 1: and my older brother was of course top bond. And yeah, 1825 01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,800 Speaker 1: three of us shared a room. The three of us, 1826 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,960 Speaker 1: all all boys, all together in one room, and we 1827 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:10,439 Speaker 1: were very tight to this day, probably because we had 1828 01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:13,920 Speaker 1: to live in such confined quarters for years um and 1829 01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,760 Speaker 1: and later on in my career when I had to 1830 01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:20,280 Speaker 1: spend some time in various barracks and training programs and 1831 01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:25,640 Speaker 1: was sleeping on on narrower but still bunk beds, I 1832 01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:27,559 Speaker 1: have to say that it took me back to my 1833 01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,679 Speaker 1: child and I was like, oh, this is great, this 1834 01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,920 Speaker 1: is you know, no problem at all. Anyway, So I 1835 01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,000 Speaker 1: moved in this new place, I've got some outdoor space, 1836 01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:40,080 Speaker 1: and I have had my first interaction ever with the 1837 01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:45,400 Speaker 1: Environmental Protection Agency. I know, right, whatever I think of 1838 01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,960 Speaker 1: the e p A, I think of Ghostbusters and I'm 1839 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:53,400 Speaker 1: Walter Peck. I'm hearing stories about an unlicensed disposal and 1840 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,880 Speaker 1: storage unit. People say they're seeing ghosts. Uh, you know 1841 01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,479 Speaker 1: from Ghostbusters, Walter Peck. That guy's great in that role, 1842 01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:03,840 Speaker 1: by the way, And that's also why my thesis to 1843 01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:08,759 Speaker 1: this day is that Ghostbusters is in fact a conservative movie. 1844 01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:13,400 Speaker 1: You've got entrepreneurs, the Ghostbusters, the small businessman, the economic 1845 01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:17,559 Speaker 1: engine of America, Ghostbusters who are trying to stand up 1846 01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,880 Speaker 1: to yes, beings from a you know, beings from an 1847 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,840 Speaker 1: alternate reality or you know, the undead or whatever we 1848 01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:25,880 Speaker 1: whatever the ghosts are they're dealing with, Like I guess 1849 01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,960 Speaker 1: they're the undead, but they also have to square off 1850 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:36,000 Speaker 1: against the Environmental Protection Agency and Walter Peck. So it's 1851 01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:38,800 Speaker 1: small businessman versus the e p A. Is really the 1852 01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,280 Speaker 1: story of the original Ghostbusters movie, which is still one 1853 01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,880 Speaker 1: of my favorite movies to this day. But I've never 1854 01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,400 Speaker 1: had any interaction with the e p A, mostly because 1855 01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:50,040 Speaker 1: I've never really lived in a place where you have 1856 01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:53,400 Speaker 1: an environment to speak of. I've lived in concrete jungles 1857 01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,959 Speaker 1: one after another, whether it's New York City or Washington, 1858 01:44:56,040 --> 01:45:00,360 Speaker 1: d C. But I the E p A and I 1859 01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:04,240 Speaker 1: had our first chat because there is when you're out 1860 01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:09,080 Speaker 1: on my little terrace area, there is a noise, a cycling. 1861 01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:11,160 Speaker 1: I think it's from an h h V a c 1862 01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,439 Speaker 1: h vactor, but it's this high pitched squealing that just 1863 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:18,400 Speaker 1: never stops. And it's not so bad inside my apartment. 1864 01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:20,519 Speaker 1: And I know, maybe I'm sounding a little a little 1865 01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:25,000 Speaker 1: uh bourgeois right now, a little boogie as the kids say, 1866 01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:26,840 Speaker 1: But I trust me, I'm not all right. This is 1867 01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,280 Speaker 1: not a fancy setup, is not a fancy apartment. But 1868 01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,000 Speaker 1: I do have to hear this very high pitched, constant 1869 01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,320 Speaker 1: whistling noise, and it's annoying. So I figure I pay 1870 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,599 Speaker 1: all these city taxes. There's this three one one number 1871 01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:40,840 Speaker 1: you can call here in New York City to deal 1872 01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,559 Speaker 1: with these issues. And there's a noise complaint number usually 1873 01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,719 Speaker 1: reserved for when some maniacs are throwing a super loud 1874 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,720 Speaker 1: party or something. But and I will say, I have 1875 01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,680 Speaker 1: never called three one one on a party. I am 1876 01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,880 Speaker 1: not get off my lawn kind of guy. Well, I am, 1877 01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,959 Speaker 1: but at least not about parties. There's a Friday Saturday 1878 01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,920 Speaker 1: acceptable during the week I mean, you know, we're not 1879 01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:05,960 Speaker 1: animals people, right, we have work, we have jobs, we 1880 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,880 Speaker 1: have responsibilities. But on the weekends, I understand people into 1881 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:13,400 Speaker 1: party anyway. H E p A is what is the 1882 01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:17,479 Speaker 1: agency that gets contacted? Um, and I guess it's the local. 1883 01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:20,559 Speaker 1: I think it's the local. I don't know. Actually, I 1884 01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:21,760 Speaker 1: just realized this. I I don't even know if there's a 1885 01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,240 Speaker 1: federal government, if this is a city government thing. And 1886 01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,639 Speaker 1: I think it's environmental protection for the City of New York. Um, 1887 01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, but I don't know. I didn't see 1888 01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:33,280 Speaker 1: any badges or anything. So but they come out and 1889 01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,479 Speaker 1: and sure enough, I have my my interaction with them, 1890 01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,720 Speaker 1: and they basically show up and they're like, wow, that 1891 01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:40,920 Speaker 1: that is kind of annoying. That noise. Uh, let's see 1892 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,840 Speaker 1: if let's see if we can find where it's coming from. 1893 01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:45,200 Speaker 1: And then they call me and if you you know, 1894 01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:47,280 Speaker 1: they call me in about ten minutes and there's two 1895 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,479 Speaker 1: inspectors and then they say, yeah, we can't find the noise. 1896 01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:52,479 Speaker 1: It is really annoying, though, so we think you should 1897 01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:57,960 Speaker 1: make another complaint. And I'm like, okay, so you're here. 1898 01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:01,960 Speaker 1: You are the noise come plaint police, so to speak. 1899 01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:04,439 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you there's a noise, and you agree 1900 01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,840 Speaker 1: that the noise is. They actually took a decibel reading 1901 01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:10,200 Speaker 1: and it's enough that it's actionable. So I'm not actually 1902 01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,559 Speaker 1: crazy here. The noise is is real noise pollution. It's 1903 01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,800 Speaker 1: it should you know, it should go away or it 1904 01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:19,879 Speaker 1: should be made to be abated. Uh. And their response 1905 01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,800 Speaker 1: to me, though, is well, you know, you got to 1906 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,920 Speaker 1: just make another complaint. Maybe somebody else will come out 1907 01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,760 Speaker 1: here from our office and they'll be able to find it. 1908 01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:28,960 Speaker 1: And I get it. I suppose they're on the clock 1909 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,280 Speaker 1: and they have a limited amount of time for each complaint. 1910 01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,400 Speaker 1: But I just think it's kind of funny. It's like, okay, 1911 01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:36,000 Speaker 1: so I didn't even think anybody would ever show up. 1912 01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,120 Speaker 1: I rarely, if ever, interact with government, and I really 1913 01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:42,080 Speaker 1: try to avoid interacting with government. I was worried that 1914 01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,559 Speaker 1: the e p A Would come into my apartment and 1915 01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, they would see that I had left too 1916 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,080 Speaker 1: many dishes in the sink or something and try to 1917 01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:53,000 Speaker 1: declare my kitchen a a waste land or a wetland 1918 01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:54,559 Speaker 1: or something, and then I wouldn't be able to use 1919 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:58,920 Speaker 1: it anymore. Or maybe maybe there's an endangered species of 1920 01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,519 Speaker 1: of centipede it is a running around on my terrace. 1921 01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, I was a little worried. But they came here, 1922 01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,120 Speaker 1: and they look they're perfectly pleasant as government employees go. 1923 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,559 Speaker 1: But I just think it's funny that they came here. 1924 01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:14,640 Speaker 1: They agree there's a problem, and their response is, you know, 1925 01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,439 Speaker 1: you should probably file another complaint about this problem that 1926 01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:19,960 Speaker 1: we were able to help you figure out as a problem. 1927 01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:21,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, I was kind of hoping 1928 01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:24,840 Speaker 1: for resolution of the problem. Uh, And they're like, well, 1929 01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:26,559 Speaker 1: we don't have time for that, so you know it'll 1930 01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,880 Speaker 1: be probably another ten days. But this, you know, here 1931 01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:31,280 Speaker 1: we go. This is what. This is your tax dollars 1932 01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:34,040 Speaker 1: at work everybody, whether it's you know, federal or local. 1933 01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,160 Speaker 1: I think it's local environmental protection. But you get special 1934 01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,080 Speaker 1: taxes in New York City you gotta pay for to 1935 01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:43,080 Speaker 1: be a city resident. And so far, Yeah, all the 1936 01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:47,040 Speaker 1: stuff I say about government and inefficiency, that's been the 1937 01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:51,320 Speaker 1: e p A or the Environmental Protection Department Uh, that's 1938 01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,719 Speaker 1: that's been what's going on here? You know, Yeah, that's 1939 01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,639 Speaker 1: that's really a that's really loud. That should stop. They 1940 01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,400 Speaker 1: needed whoever is creating that noise needs to stop that noise. 1941 01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,320 Speaker 1: But you know, we can't do anything about it. So 1942 01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:06,759 Speaker 1: good luck. There you go, government baby. That's how they do. 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