Speaker 1: You're listening to Unexplained, Season seven, episode twenty three, The Box,
Speaker 1: Part two of three. It's June two thousand and four
Speaker 1: in Kirksville, Missouri, about two thousand miles from Kevin Manis's
Speaker 1: home in Portland. Twenty year olds Brian and Joseph are
Speaker 1: browsing the aisles of their local grocery store when Joseph
Speaker 1: mentions a curious item he's seen for sale on eBay.
Speaker 1: The pair are students of Truman State University and share
Speaker 1: an apartment close to their campus along with four other
Speaker 1: students who are currently away for the holidays. Less than
Speaker 1: an hour later, the young men are in front of
Speaker 1: a laptop pouring over a listing titled de Book Box
Speaker 1: put up by a user called w net Trade. It begins,
Speaker 1: all of the events that I'm about to set forth
Speaker 1: in this listing are accurate. It was, of course, the
Speaker 1: peculiar wine box that Kevin Mannis claimed to have bought
Speaker 1: from a car boot sale. The young men read through
Speaker 1: the entire listing that details all the terrifying events Kevin
Speaker 1: has supposedly experienced since purchasing the item. He's convinced it's haunted,
Speaker 1: he says, Joseph thinks they should buy it. Brian doesn't agree.
Speaker 1: He's not convinced it really is haunted, but why risk it,
Speaker 1: he thinks. Without Brian's help, Joseph isn't sure he can
Speaker 1: justify the one hundred dollars asking price, but the more
Speaker 1: he tries to forget about it, the more he can't
Speaker 1: seem to let it go. Just what if it really
Speaker 1: is haunted? How cool would that be? A few days later,
Speaker 1: alone in his room, Joseph pulls up the listing again
Speaker 1: and finds an update from Kevin June fourteenth, at five
Speaker 1: twenty one. For those of you wanting to know if
Speaker 1: I'm still experiencing anything out of the ordinary. I thought
Speaker 1: everything was okay until I got home on Friday, the
Speaker 1: thirteenth of June and found that the fish in my aquarium,
Speaker 1: all ten, were dead. For Joseph, it's just too good
Speaker 1: to resist. He selects the bidding box, types in a number,
Speaker 1: and clicks the mouse. It's a week later when Brian
Speaker 1: returns home to find the apartment reeking of urine. He
Speaker 1: follows the scent into the living room, where, much to
Speaker 1: his alarm, he finds the bizarre box. He and Joseph
Speaker 1: had been looking at online, now sitting for real right
Speaker 1: in front of him. When Joseph returns home a few
Speaker 1: hours later, he takes it to his bedroom and jokes
Speaker 1: with Brian that he should listen out in case anything
Speaker 1: strange happens. That first night passes without incident. Brian works
Speaker 1: a part time job at Truman State University's Museum of
Speaker 1: Osteopathic Medicine. Every Monday, the department, led by director Jason Haxton,
Speaker 1: holds a team meeting to set their goals for the
Speaker 1: week and give the team the chance to catch up
Speaker 1: after the weekend. Usually, Brian stays silent, preferring just to
Speaker 1: listen to the contributions of others. But at the first
Speaker 1: Monday meeting, after Joseph bought the box, he just can't
Speaker 1: keep it to himself. With everyone settled in and taking
Speaker 1: a seat, Jason asks if anyone has anything interesting to
Speaker 1: share from their weekends. We bought a haunted wine box,
Speaker 1: says Brian, before anyone else can talk. The words seem
Speaker 1: to hang there for a moment as the rest of
Speaker 1: the team try to process what he just said exactly.
Speaker 1: There are a few raised eyebrows and nervous smiles, but Jason,
Speaker 1: whose special area of interest is the spiritual context of
Speaker 1: ancient art pieces, is genuinely intrigued. Brian fills the team
Speaker 1: in on the details, well aware how ludicrous it all sounds.
Speaker 1: Jason offers to examine the box for them to see
Speaker 1: if he can shed any light on its origins. Brian
Speaker 1: is unsure, but he says he'll let him know if
Speaker 1: there's any peculiar activity. He doesn't have long to wait.
Speaker 1: It starts with the lights, just like Kevin said they
Speaker 1: had in his shop. Bulbs suddenly pop or blow entirely,
Speaker 1: even when newly replaced. A urine like smell seems to
Speaker 1: emanate from various places throughout the apartment. Then Brian's laptop
Speaker 1: crashes inexplicably due to a critical failure of the hard drive.
Speaker 1: Despite attempts to fix it, a source for the failure
Speaker 1: could not be found. It's then that Joseph decides to
Speaker 1: do some research into just what exactly it is that
Speaker 1: he's bought. What he discovers terrifies him. Although spelt with
Speaker 1: an eye instead of a y by Kevin in his
Speaker 1: eBay listing ad book as a demon from Jewish folklore
Speaker 1: often used in stories to scare little children. Only it
Speaker 1: isn't just an old bedtime story, as Joseph finds out,
Speaker 1: but something that some believe to be very real. According
Speaker 1: to one description, a dibuk is a misplaced spirit that
Speaker 1: can neither rise to heaven nor descend into Hell, an
Speaker 1: evil spirit that will attach itself to an unsuspecting victim
Speaker 1: like a parasite, causing mental illness, rage, and changes of personality.
Speaker 1: Joseph can feel his pulse quicken as he reads it.
Speaker 1: Turning back to the box, he notices some Hebraic text
Speaker 1: carved into the back of it. It's a Jewish prayer
Speaker 1: that translates to here o Israel, the Lord is our God,
Speaker 1: the Lord is one. Blessed is the name of his
Speaker 1: honored kingdom for ever. It's a common and well known prayer,
Speaker 1: the sort of prayer perhaps that one might say when
Speaker 1: fearful for their life or just before they die. In August,
Speaker 1: after six weeks of peculiar events, Joseph and Brian's four
Speaker 1: other flatmates return from their summer break. When term time
Speaker 1: starts up, words soon gets around about the apparently haunted
Speaker 1: item in their apartment. For a short time, the place
Speaker 1: becomes a popular hangout for the brave and curious, until
Speaker 1: events take an even more ominous turn. Two of the
Speaker 1: flatmates begin to suffer from itchy and irritated eyes, another
Speaker 1: contracts bronchitis, and Yosef breaks a finger. Most of them
Speaker 1: feel they've become unusually listless, as if something is draining
Speaker 1: them of energy. When one flatmate's car breaks down, a
Speaker 1: check under the bonnet reveals the bodies of numerous dead mice.
Speaker 1: This has followed a few day days later by the
Speaker 1: discovery of a biblical infestation of gnats in the room
Speaker 1: the box is being kept in. At first, Joseph is
Speaker 1: determined not to give in to superstition. It's merely coincidental,
Speaker 1: he says to himself, just a series of completely unexceptional
Speaker 1: events given an illusory supernatural context through the presence of
Speaker 1: the box. But outwardly, the cracks are beginning to show
Speaker 1: as its behaviour becomes increasingly erratic. Brian and the other
Speaker 1: flatmates start noticing it, and slowly Joseph's certainty weakens. After Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: Joseph's flatmates return to the apartment relieved but a little
Speaker 1: perplexed to find that Joseph has left, and the box
Speaker 1: has gone too. Like a turning of the tide, the
Speaker 1: strange events appear to immediately stop. The smell of urine
Speaker 1: clears up. There are no more inexplicable electrical shortages, and
Speaker 1: the bugs have gone. Since first mentioning the box to
Speaker 1: his colleagues at the museum, Brian frequently updated them on
Speaker 1: the strange occurrences. His boss, Jason, had become especially fascinated
Speaker 1: by it all, hanging on every word until Brian left
Speaker 1: his job at the end of the summer to concentrate
Speaker 1: on his studies. It's a few months later when Jason
Speaker 1: spots him in the audience at a lecture he's presenting.
Speaker 1: When it's finished, he approaches Brian, hoping to hear more
Speaker 1: about the cabinet, but is dismayed to find that Joseph
Speaker 1: is no longer living with him. As Brian explains he
Speaker 1: hasn't seen Joseph or the box since, Jason is gripped
Speaker 1: by an eerie and profound sense of loss, as if
Speaker 1: the ring from Rivendell has just slipped from his grasp.
Speaker 1: A month or so later, Jason receives word from Bryan
Speaker 1: that Joseph has been back in touch, and he's decided
Speaker 1: to sell the box. Reluctant to tell his wife Laurie
Speaker 1: for fear that she won't want anything to do with it,
Speaker 1: Jason turns to his colleague Michael for some advice. Michael
Speaker 1: is a friend but also a keen magician in his
Speaker 1: spare time. He's intrigued at the thought of building an
Speaker 1: act around a haunted artifact and offers to go halves
Speaker 1: if Jason wants to buy it, and so in early
Speaker 1: February two thousand and five, Jason logs into eBay under
Speaker 1: his handle age Tron and finds item number three seven
Speaker 1: zero one three four seven six four eight, otherwise known
Speaker 1: as the Dibbuk Box. As Jason reads the listing, he
Speaker 1: feels a surge of excitement. Everything Brian had described, including
Speaker 1: Kevin's story from the original listing, is here, but there
Speaker 1: is more. Joseph writes, around October sixth I started feeling
Speaker 1: bad with trouble sleeping. This problem has persisted through today.
Speaker 1: I've started seeing things in my peripheral vision. Most disturbingly,
Speaker 1: last Tuesday, my hair began to fall out. Now it's
Speaker 1: about half gone. I'm in my early twenties and I
Speaker 1: just got a clean blood test back from the doctors.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's stress related, I don't know. The description reads
Speaker 1: more like a distress beacon than an auction listing, and
Speaker 1: it's clear that the last few months for Joseph, who
Speaker 1: for unknown reasons, decided to move back in with its parents,
Speaker 1: have been increasingly dark and bizarre. Jason scrolls back to
Speaker 1: the top of the page to the text from the
Speaker 1: original listing. He reads those fateful words again from the
Speaker 1: original seller to Kevin, you bought it, we don't want it.
Speaker 1: Jason hesitates for a moment, then types an opening offer
Speaker 1: of ninety nine cents. He takes a deep breath, then
Speaker 1: clicks bid, knowing that whatever happens next, you will forever
Speaker 1: be a part of the box's mythology. For the next
Speaker 1: few minutes, Jason sits transfixed, his face lit up by
Speaker 1: the dim glow of the computer screen as he stealthily
Speaker 1: ups his bid while the auction clock ticks steadily down
Speaker 1: to zero. Jason leans back from the screen and puffs
Speaker 1: out his cheeks. Approaching footsteps from outside his door are
Speaker 1: followed by the arrival of a very tense looking Michael.
Speaker 1: He'd been watching the whole thing unfold on another computer.
Speaker 1: Please tell me your age, tron, says Jason smiles, I am.
Speaker 1: They were now the new owners of the box. Joseph
Speaker 1: originally bought it for one hundred and forty dollars, Jason
Speaker 1: paid two hundred and eighty. But there's a snag. When
Speaker 1: Jason emails Joseph to arrange delivery, Joseph doesn't reply. After
Speaker 1: several unanswered emails, Jason tries contacting the young man's parents,
Speaker 1: but neither have any knowledge of their son's association with
Speaker 1: the box. Jason eventually receives a call from Brian, who's
Speaker 1: now in charge of completing the sale because Joseph, in
Speaker 1: a fit of desperation, begged him to take the box away.
Speaker 1: The following Tuesday, a bleary eyed and distracted looking Brian
Speaker 1: arrives at Jason's office with a large cardboard container. Any
Speaker 1: other day, Jason might have noticed the death inspiration on
Speaker 1: Bryan's face, or maybe wondered why he was so eager
Speaker 1: to leave the building immediately after dropping the package off,
Speaker 1: without even pausing to say goodbye. But today Jason only
Speaker 1: has eyes for the box. As he peels the cardboard
Speaker 1: back to reveal the bubble wrapped curio inside, he feels
Speaker 1: almost euphoric. It's a piece well suited to its new environment,
Speaker 1: he thinks, looking round at the various displays in the museum,
Speaker 1: the gruesome tools for primitive brain surgery, the dissected human
Speaker 1: nervous systems, and wallets made from human skin. Having agreed
Speaker 1: not to open the package until Michael is free, Jason
Speaker 1: has to resist until eight pm before his friend is
Speaker 1: able to join him. In the eerie silence of his
Speaker 1: deserted and dimly lit office, they ease the box from
Speaker 1: its container. Jason slips on a pair of white examination
Speaker 1: gloves and runs his hand over the top before taking
Speaker 1: the drawer handle and pulling it. As the drawer opens,
Speaker 1: the two front doors follow suit, swinging open to reveal
Speaker 1: the hidden treasures inside and releasing a pungent scent into
Speaker 1: the air. Michael lays down a cloth of blue velvet
Speaker 1: next to the box, which he's brought especially for the occasion,
Speaker 1: and one by one Jason carefully places the various items
Speaker 1: onto it. He takes a black light, the kind you
Speaker 1: might use to examine a bloody crime scene, and sweeps
Speaker 1: it over the box, but finds nothing. Unusual. Then Michael
Speaker 1: notices something interesting, the letter N written on the inside
Speaker 1: right Edgeson wonders if it has a ritual purpose, an
Speaker 1: instruction to angle that side of the box to point
Speaker 1: north perhaps, or maybe it isn't an N at all.
Speaker 1: But the Hebrew character Aleph, the very first letter of existence,
Speaker 1: the first point of the alpha, and the omega its
Speaker 1: numerical value of one hundred and eleven, symbolizing the divine, spiritual,
Speaker 1: and physical. They find the same symbol again marked on
Speaker 1: the gold cup, only it isn't gold, as Kevin Mannis
Speaker 1: had assumed, but brass with a silver plating that is
Speaker 1: all but worn away. Going by the box's fairly modern
Speaker 1: design and the style of the hinges, Jason estimates that
Speaker 1: it was built in the fifties or sixties. But looking
Speaker 1: at the pieces spread out before him on the cloth,
Speaker 1: the two pennies, the strange candlestick, the two locks of hair,
Speaker 1: and the strange granite statue, he's unable to say quite
Speaker 1: what it was used for. None of the items have
Speaker 1: any traditional, supernatural or occult connections. Whatever this is, thinks Jason,
Speaker 1: it's not like anything he's ever seen before. While Michael
Speaker 1: takes a closer look at the pieces. Jason slowly removes
Speaker 1: one of the gloves and places his bare hand on
Speaker 1: top of the box, then hurriedly pulls it back. That's weird,
Speaker 1: he thinks. He closes his eyes and puts his hand
Speaker 1: on top of the box again and again he gets
Speaker 1: the strange, bizarre sensation. It's as though he can feel
Speaker 1: the wood moving, rippling like water, vibrating, even as if
Speaker 1: it were alive. Jason recoils suddenly, letting out a stifled
Speaker 1: cry as a sharp and searing pain grips him from
Speaker 1: inside and moves into his stomach. Michael was too distracted
Speaker 1: to notice, and Jason keeps it to himself. They finish
Speaker 1: by taking some pictures, then return the items to the
Speaker 1: box and pack it away. That night, back at home,
Speaker 1: Jason is in bed, his eyelids flicker and pulsate with
Speaker 1: therim twitch of deep sleep. In his subconscious a dark
Speaker 1: and disturbing set of images are playing out, faces morphing
Speaker 1: from one into another, hideously disfigured, bleeding and wounded, and
Speaker 1: through it all the recurring image of a ghoulish, elderly
Speaker 1: woman with dark, sunken eyes. Jason wakes with a start
Speaker 1: in the dark, sweating and short of breath. His wife, Lorrie,
Speaker 1: is sound asleep signed him. He closes his eyes again
Speaker 1: and soon drifts back to sleep. Moments later, he finds
Speaker 1: himself in a small department store, this time with a
Speaker 1: different benign, elderly woman. She seems to be pleading with
Speaker 1: him in anguish, pointing toward an empty box about the
Speaker 1: same size as the dibook box. The following morning, Jason
Speaker 1: is rinsing his face in the sink when he notices
Speaker 1: with shock that both of his eyes are red, raw
Speaker 1: and bloodshot. A few days later, the irritation still hasn't
Speaker 1: cleared up, and he is now plagued by a dull,
Speaker 1: metallic taste in his mouth, dominating everything he eats. He
Speaker 1: chokes on the smallest SIPs of water, but worst of all,
Speaker 1: can't fight the continual feeling that something is lodged inside
Speaker 1: his throat. Jason's doctor suggests he might be suffering from dyscusia,
Speaker 1: a distortion of taste that can be caused by any
Speaker 1: number of illnesses, but Jason isn't convinced. It might explain
Speaker 1: the strange taste in its mouth, but it doesn't account
Speaker 1: for his irritated eyes or his difficulty swallowing not to
Speaker 1: mention the mysterious stomach cramps. The cause of it all
Speaker 1: seems clear to Jason his body has been poisoned. After
Speaker 1: testing a variety of substances the methodical, Jason theorizes that
Speaker 1: it's most likely ammonia. Apart from all the issues he
Speaker 1: is suffering from. An exposure to ammonia can result in
Speaker 1: hallucinations as well as sensing the smell of urine. Finally,
Speaker 1: he thinks all the stories from the previous owners begin
Speaker 1: to make sense. Jason runs a series of tests on
Speaker 1: the box and its contents, but it all comes back
Speaker 1: completely clean. Meanwhile, strange things have started occurring at the museum.
Speaker 1: Light bulbs are blowing, popping, and exploding all over the office.
Speaker 1: Jason's deteriorating health hasn't gone unnoticed either. Brian, now back
Speaker 1: working at the museum, approaches him first. It's clear to
Speaker 1: him that whatever had lashed onto Joseph has now focused
Speaker 1: its attention on its boss. The other staff, irrevocably spooked,
Speaker 1: plead with their colleague to take his box home. Jason
Speaker 1: eventually agrees to take the box. The only problem is
Speaker 1: his wife, Laurie, having heard all about the cabinet from
Speaker 1: Michael's partner Erin, she makes it abundantly clear that her
Speaker 1: husband is not to bring it anywhere near the family.
Speaker 1: Since Michael is unwilling to take it off his hands,
Speaker 1: Jason has left with only one option, has to bring
Speaker 1: it home in secret. It's a decision he'll soon come
Speaker 1: to regret. It starts with unusual fluctuations in temperature. Entire
Speaker 1: parts of the house become so cold that the family
Speaker 1: can see their own breath even in the height of summer.
Speaker 1: Jason's nightmares intensify, becoming even more terrifying, and soon it
Speaker 1: isn't only when he's asleep that he sees things. One evening,
Speaker 1: he and his thirteen year old son are watching television
Speaker 1: together in the lounge when they witness a strange, billowing
Speaker 1: mass like a black fire, crawling up the wall. The
Speaker 1: following day, an agitated Jason makes a phone call. It's
Speaker 1: to Steve Mass, president of the Long Island Paranormal Research Group.
Speaker 1: When Jason first bought the box, he hadn't accounted for
Speaker 1: the vast interest it would online tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: people across the world had watched as he won his bid,
Speaker 1: and many had contacted him later on, eager to hear
Speaker 1: of any strange happenings. Steve had been one of the
Speaker 1: first enthusiasts to get in touch and had impressed Jason
Speaker 1: with his sincerity and extensive knowledge of similar artifacts. Steve
Speaker 1: listens patiently as Jason details what occurred in just the
Speaker 1: last few weeks before giving his chilling verdict. One way
Speaker 1: or another, Jason must have unleashed something when he opened
Speaker 1: the box, and now it's in the house with his family.
Speaker 1: Steve's suggestion is that Jason carry out the appeasement ritual
Speaker 1: from chapter twenty two of a fifteenth century book of
Speaker 1: spells known as The Key of Solomon. The ritual asks
Speaker 1: for a sacrifice to be made to the demonic spirit
Speaker 1: that evening. In secret, Jason, an ordinarily rational, unflappable midwesterner,
Speaker 1: heads into his garage where he stashed the box. He
Speaker 1: stands there alone in the pitch dark, holding the two
Speaker 1: cuttings of hair from the inside drawer, hoping they will
Speaker 1: make a sufficient offering. He writes a promise to make
Speaker 1: better gifts in future on a strip of paper, as
Speaker 1: per the ritual and ties it all together around a
Speaker 1: pine twig. He lights a match and holds it underneath
Speaker 1: until the bundle catches fire. As it burns, he repeats
Speaker 1: its promise. Better gifts shall come from me. Better gifts
Speaker 1: shall come from me. Better gifts shall come from me,
Speaker 1: Better gifts shall come from me. The flames finally die out,
Speaker 1: Jason steps from the dark of the garage into the
Speaker 1: clear night air. It feels like surfacing from underwater. That night,
Speaker 1: no grotesque old ladies haunt his dreams, and over the
Speaker 1: next few weeks his ailments all but vanish. With the
Speaker 1: appeasement ritual appearing to have worked, Jason returns his focus
Speaker 1: to finding out more about the supposedly haunted artifact. Afraid
Speaker 1: that it might still be active, He needs to know
Speaker 1: what exactly he might be dealing with. However, despite consulting
Speaker 1: a number of experts, from rabbis to historians, Jason discovers
Speaker 1: little more than what he already knows. The man he
Speaker 1: needs is Kevin Manis. Jason manages to trace Kevin to
Speaker 1: Portland through the original eBay listing. By chance, he is
Speaker 1: due to travel there for a word trip in the
Speaker 1: coming months, and so he doubles his efforts. He discovers
Speaker 1: one mannis listed in the phone book and calls the number.
Speaker 1: It turns out to be Kevin's sister. However, she is
Speaker 1: unwilling to give out her brother's details and wants nothing
Speaker 1: to do with Jason's quest to find him. Under tret
Speaker 1: Jason turns to the Internet and through a genealogy site,
Speaker 1: discovers that Kevin had a grandmother called Ethel, who died
Speaker 1: some years previously. Then Jason finds a contact for another
Speaker 1: relative of Ethel's who reveals some intriguing information. Kevin's grandmother
Speaker 1: was a Russian Jewish immigrant who arrived in the United
Speaker 1: States sometime at the beginning of the nineteen hundreds and
Speaker 1: died around the age of one hundred and three. Similar
Speaker 1: to the alleged original owner of the box, who Kevin
Speaker 1: claimed was a Jewish emigray from Europe, Ethel also had
Speaker 1: a fascination with Jewish mysticism and kisheff a form of
Speaker 1: Judaic magic. Then the relative drops a bombshell. It's their
Speaker 1: belief that the wine box never was haunted and that
Speaker 1: Kevin has made the whole thing up, using Ethel as inspiration.
Speaker 1: Jason is stunned. It can't be. He thinks, for a start,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't true, then what on earth had been
Speaker 1: happening to him and even Joseph before that neither had
Speaker 1: ever met Kevin, and yet both had been clearly affected
Speaker 1: by the Dibbuck Box, and in identical ways to what
Speaker 1: Kevin himself said he'd suffered. Then something weird happens. Confused
Speaker 1: by the prospect that nothing about the box is true,
Speaker 1: Jason asks if the relative can at least email him
Speaker 1: a photograph of Ethel. When he recive leaves it and
Speaker 1: opens it up, staring back at him on his screen,
Speaker 1: he is absolutely certain is the same elderly woman he's
Speaker 1: seen in his dreams, the one standing in a department store,
Speaker 1: pointing with great anguish toward an empty box. Ethel, it
Speaker 1: turns out, had also owned a department store. When Jason
Speaker 1: finally travels to Portland in June, he's almost given up
Speaker 1: on speaking to Kevin entirely. When he makes one final
Speaker 1: effort to locate him, looking through local courthouse records, he
Speaker 1: finds a phone number. Later that night, he makes the
Speaker 1: call from his hotel room, and a woman answers the
Speaker 1: phone She assures him that nobody by the name of
Speaker 1: Kevin lives there, but Jason isn't convinced tell him. He says,
Speaker 1: I've got one hundred and fifty dollars if he can
Speaker 1: just call me at the hotel. On the other end,
Speaker 1: says she'll see what she can do before hanging up.
Speaker 1: It's nearly midnight when the phone rings in Jason's hotel room.
Speaker 1: It's Kevin. Finally, now he can get some answers. You've
Speaker 1: been listening to Unexplained Season seven, episode twenty three The Box,
Speaker 1: Part two of three, the third and final part, will
Speaker 1: be released next Friday, June fourteenth. This episode was written
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