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Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't know about y'all,

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Speaker 1: but I gotta tell you I couldn't even fathom driving

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Speaker 1: up to my property where my family had probably celebrated

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Speaker 1: holidays and enjoyed one another's company for years and years,

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Speaker 1: getting out of my vehicle and ten o'clock at night,

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Speaker 1: it's dark everywhere, and looking off in the distance and

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Speaker 1: seeing two forms laying on the ground. It's the bodies

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Speaker 1: of my wife and my son, apparently shot down. They're

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Speaker 1: in the darkness on the evening of June seven, two

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Speaker 1: thousand one. That's when this nightmare started in the low

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Speaker 1: country of South Carolina. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan in this

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Speaker 1: his body backs. Joining me today is Jackie Howard, executive

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Speaker 1: producer of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jackie, what can

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Speaker 1: you tell us about what I'm calling the murder executions

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Speaker 1: that took place on that faithful night, Joe, As you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Alexander Alec Murdoch found their bodies around ten PM near

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Speaker 1: the kennels of their seventeen hundred acre property. During the

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Speaker 1: nine one one call, alex Murdo was crying and you

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Speaker 1: could hear him telling the operators that he found his

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Speaker 1: wife and his son shot. Details of this incident have

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Speaker 1: been redacted as those reports have been released, but one

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Speaker 1: of the main pieces of information that we do know

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Speaker 1: is that the murdas, Paul and Maggie, were shot with

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Speaker 1: two different firearms. Paul twenty two, was shot multiple times

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Speaker 1: with a shotgun, his mother, fifty two year old Maggie

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Speaker 1: was killed with a semi automatic rifle. And this has

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Speaker 1: including finding relations to three other deaths and a possible

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Speaker 1: suicide attempt by the father, Alex Murdo. At the time

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Speaker 1: of his death, pal Myrtle was facing a three felony

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Speaker 1: death of nineteen year old Mallory Beach. She was ejected

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Speaker 1: at that time in February of twenty nineteen, ran into

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Speaker 1: also the death of Gloria Sadderfield, the housekeeper who died

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Speaker 1: linking that death to this case as well. So far,

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Speaker 1: no one has been criminally charged in connection with Maggie

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Speaker 1: and Paul Myrdal's death. The only charges that have been

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Speaker 1: there is a saying in broadcasting there are more questions

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Speaker 1: that answers, and in this case it is so true.

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Speaker 1: There are so many more questions than answers. So let's

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Speaker 1: start with finding the bodies. Alex Murdoch called nine one one.

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Speaker 1: The bodies were found near the kennels on the property.

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Speaker 1: Where do we start. When I heard about this case,

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, it's not too often that you

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Speaker 1: execution style homicide, And that's kind of what it's been

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Speaker 1: The bodies are actually that central hub, and everything else

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Speaker 1: you know, be on the interior of the car. So

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of unanswered questions. But you know

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Speaker 1: the great thing about forensic science is that if you

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Speaker 1: reveal what the truth is because the numbers don't lie

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Speaker 1: relative to this in this case, is actually gonna come

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Speaker 1: down to that. It's gonna come down to attempting to

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Speaker 1: assess the bodies. Okay, which has been done at the autopsy,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be done in order to assess all

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Speaker 1: of the evidence that surrounds us body. Sink back to

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Speaker 1: what to what we're we're talking about. The bodies are

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Speaker 1: the hub. They are the hub of the wagon wheel,

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Speaker 1: and everything else radiates out from them. And then eventually

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Speaker 1: it's all gonna be tied back together because when they

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Speaker 1: do in fact catch whoever it was that perpetrated these crimes.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is two crimes, this is two

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Speaker 1: separate homicides. You're talking about the ending the brutal killing

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Speaker 1: of these two individuals. Folks are gonna be charged and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be prosecuted. And it is key that all

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Speaker 1: of this information, all of the forensic science that's involved

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Speaker 1: it because this is a highly highly complex case. I'm JOSEPHS.

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Speaker 1: Gott Morgan and this this body backs