WEBVTT - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - Pacers-Thunder NBA Finals Game 1 reaction w/ Shaun Livingston

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<v Speaker 1>The volume.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, everybody, Welcome back to The Draymond Green Show

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<v Speaker 2>with My Dog b D with Aaron Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>We live.

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<v Speaker 4>What's good, Bro?

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>We live? Bro?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a special one day. Also, I got I got

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<v Speaker 2>uh my brother here with me. It's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>crazy because I watched myself in the league every day.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I not watch myself, but like I just

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<v Speaker 5>see the process.

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<v Speaker 2>That I'm going through on a daily basis. I lived

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<v Speaker 2>at and I think back to like what feels not

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<v Speaker 2>that long ago, but every day I go to the

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<v Speaker 2>facility now for practice, for a game, I gotta get

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotel and this this my my brother. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's coming on the shovels today. He used to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotub and I used to be like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you so damn oh like like you you like you

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<v Speaker 2>were in the hotel. Man, you owe every day you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotel. And he used to be like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>right around the corner for you. It's gonna happen to

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<v Speaker 2>you too. But this dude mean a lot to me. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>three time NBA champion, I got just sharing that experience

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>An executive in the NBA number four pick in the

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and four NBA Draft, coming straight out of heights, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Mini God, the Master range uh important important part of

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<v Speaker 2>our dynasty. None other than my brother. It's DoD Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Livy said, welcome to the.

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<v Speaker 4>Fellas. Fellas appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Have me on the plass of today, yees sir that yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I see that father time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I start getting in the hotel like

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<v Speaker 2>on my own, you know what. Else when I go

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<v Speaker 2>in there dot lights off. It's also like the calm

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<v Speaker 2>before the storm too. You know, it's just like zing out.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would go in and like see Rick and Danny,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I start doing the body work and

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<v Speaker 2>they and they would notice the difference, like, Yo, you

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<v Speaker 2>ain't been in the hotel right now. They like, you

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<v Speaker 2>go get in the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn shouts, y'all was shooting at me. I come in

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<v Speaker 1>with my green teeth, you know, I get right, that's style.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to last beat there.

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<v Speaker 3>The teens. It ain't teensy, and now look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great.

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<v Speaker 3>The minutes pile up, baby, especially when you win it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>the minutes they pile up, they gonna catch up faster

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<v Speaker 3>than they would a normal do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still sprouted us, so they ain't caught up yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still you know, I'm still a little sprouting them.

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<v Speaker 2>So but the process, you know, of like going through it,

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<v Speaker 2>like every day learning the body, knowing, learning what you

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<v Speaker 2>need in the off day, like lifting more man the

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<v Speaker 2>process of being ready to take the court. Though it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a It requires so much more time than

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<v Speaker 2>just like when you just had to work on your game.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a totally different type of discipline and not

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<v Speaker 2>what you don't quite understand when you're watching guys go

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<v Speaker 2>through it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's like the summers. For me toward

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<v Speaker 1>in my thirties was just straight weights and conditioning, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just to prepare my body. And then just

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<v Speaker 1>of course the way I played the game, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously just getting to the spots off the dribble. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a harder game. Wasn't a three point shooter, wasn't a spacer.

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<v Speaker 4>So just I.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember it was a game we were playing, and it

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<v Speaker 1>might have been against the Clippers, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>guys came up to me and he was like, Bro,

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<v Speaker 1>this towards the end of my career, like the last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, what do your workouts look like? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you just get it to just shoot all ten footers?

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<v Speaker 4>Bro? Like you know what I'm saying, Like what else

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<v Speaker 4>do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, And I'm just like, Damn, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to think about it, Like damn.

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<v Speaker 4>All the sauce, that's it. I get straight.

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<v Speaker 3>To it to the point, that's the sauce.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it. Like I want to hit on black. I

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<v Speaker 4>know I'm hitting knitting.

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<v Speaker 1>So but it's uh, it's definitely towards the latter part

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<v Speaker 1>of your career, Like, yeah, man, you got to think

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<v Speaker 1>about all the stretching, the yoga, the recovery, all that.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm glad you in that seat now.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's I got a different appreciation for it, for sure, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sir appreciation. But man, we just watched Game one of

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA Finals. I know y'all watched it. I watched it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think just just initially getting into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hollie does it again, b D, what do you experience?

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<v Speaker 3>Does? What do you what do you expect?

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<v Speaker 2>Bro?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, I said, geez, he ain't about to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. He's not about to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it again. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It was crazy because they just keep fighting. Man, and

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<v Speaker 3>when them hard, I think he airballed the three. Pascal

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<v Speaker 3>laid it up. It was like, oh they down one,

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<v Speaker 3>they just set themself up. And I mean Halliburn, that's

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<v Speaker 3>prime time, that's prime time Halliburn. He knocking him down.

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<v Speaker 3>He's mister clutch. He he's mister clutching the playoffs? Man,

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<v Speaker 3>what's your thought on that? Sean? Do you watch that? Yeah? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean's I wanted to kick it to y'all because

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<v Speaker 1>you've been in those precious situations like when you're watching Halliburton,

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like he needs to do more in

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<v Speaker 1>that fourth quarter?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you watching him and say like where is he at?

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<v Speaker 1>And just pop up like you know, like man, he

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<v Speaker 1>just and it's something about to hitting those shots in

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<v Speaker 1>prior series that it's like, Okay, I've been here before,

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<v Speaker 1>like when they come to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm watching the game out here, are you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to the broadcast. They're like your best player

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<v Speaker 1>has to be better, you know. They they ready to

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<v Speaker 1>dig in and narrative on him. And then boom there

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<v Speaker 1>you go right like like what y'all, what do y'all

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<v Speaker 1>see when y'all watching like the last six minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>that fourth For a star player.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in an ideal world, you want to see

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<v Speaker 2>your star player take over the game, like you want

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<v Speaker 2>to see him Yep. The reality is Halle not really

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<v Speaker 2>that dude. Like he that dude as far as like

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<v Speaker 2>the player that he is, but he not. When I

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<v Speaker 2>say he not that dude, like he's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>go look to score every time. That's just not his mindset.

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<v Speaker 2>He looking to get everybody involved. That's how they team playing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think when it comes to Halley, everybody want

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<v Speaker 2>him to be something that he not and like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I got the utmost love and respect for his game, but.

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<v Speaker 5>He not Shaye.

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<v Speaker 2>When I think of their team, I think the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who who that is for them is actually Siacle like

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<v Speaker 2>Siakam is when when in the high pressure moments like

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<v Speaker 2>meet of the game, eight minutes to go on the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth quarter, holl he gonna give you some games because

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<v Speaker 2>he got the ball and he making the players and

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<v Speaker 2>he just get it going. But Siakam is the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that they go to the settle things down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the role that he plays for that team.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think, yes, in an ideal world, you're always

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<v Speaker 2>gonna want to see the ball in your best player hands.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I will say is, can Hollie go get

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<v Speaker 2>the ball more and get them into more things and

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<v Speaker 2>be more demonstrative during that window about getting them into

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<v Speaker 2>things and making the plays.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes he could, but that's young man.

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<v Speaker 3>The ball move that they don't rock like. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 3>don't really rock like that, like what the and and

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<v Speaker 3>dre Ma and j We talked about this in the

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<v Speaker 3>Milwaukee series. I said, Indiana not scared of nobody because

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<v Speaker 3>everybody is green. Everybody got a green light. Nemhar got

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<v Speaker 3>a green light, Nie Smith got a green light. Miles

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<v Speaker 3>Turner can shoot the ball, Obie Toppings can make ploog like.

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<v Speaker 3>They all have a they all got a freedom that's

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<v Speaker 3>different and their style of play. So for Halliburnon, he

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<v Speaker 3>trying to unleash that freedom. So you forget about him,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's a something kind of a good

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<v Speaker 3>point guard is you forget that he's controlling the game

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<v Speaker 3>or trying to control the tempo or recreate a tempo.

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<v Speaker 3>So then when he do have the ball, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he called, he ain't been in the moment, but he living.

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<v Speaker 3>He almost like setting it up, but a dramatic to

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<v Speaker 3>live in that moment. And he got he got big.

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<v Speaker 3>He he liked big lights. And it's only it's only

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just certain players that's like that over

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<v Speaker 3>the history of the league. It's like, no matter how

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<v Speaker 3>big the moment and the lights, especially when you in

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<v Speaker 3>a situation you down one, you got nothing to lose,

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<v Speaker 3>Like the lights get bigger and your bravado get bigger.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's especially the type of shots he shoot,

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<v Speaker 3>right the sat he shot against the Knicks where he

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<v Speaker 3>went out, dribbled out to the three and shot at

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<v Speaker 3>three and made it. And now you look at this one.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just said he's just setting the table. And they

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<v Speaker 3>freedom allow him to kind of be a disguise, so

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<v Speaker 3>he don't need to he don't need to push too much.

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<v Speaker 3>He can he can be a little bit more aggressive

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<v Speaker 3>and looking for his office game. But the way he

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<v Speaker 3>operates that offense and the way that they playing with freedom,

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<v Speaker 3>they got other people make plays until your point. Siakam,

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<v Speaker 3>He's another dude that plays with freedom that you're not

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<v Speaker 3>really looking at it and saying like, damn, man, we

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<v Speaker 3>gotta stop Siaka because he he he. He gets a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of intangibles. Offensive rebound pumpbacks, uh, leakouts, right, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>secondary trail one on one iso pull ups, so all

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff is a floating. They're a tough team because

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<v Speaker 3>they're not scared and they got they got an offensive

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<v Speaker 3>firepower and everybody eats yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I like what you said about him being a disguise, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like this is who he is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's honestly why I really liked his game coming out

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft, because he is a pass first.

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<v Speaker 4>That's his personality, that is his mindset.

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know, I look at him and I'm like, man, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Siakam won the MVP for the Western Conference Finals? Is

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<v Speaker 1>Siakam that effective without Halliburton? Meaning those hockey assists? We

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that, right we had when we played right

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<v Speaker 1>that day, it was like how many passes can we get?

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't just like just to pass it around

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<v Speaker 1>the perimeter. It was more of just the feel, the

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<v Speaker 1>energy to the ballll. It's like when you kicking it ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>You notice be the user score. It's like, man, you

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<v Speaker 1>kick it ahead, you get somebody going. Somebody kick it

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<v Speaker 1>ahead to you. You like, oh all right, ooh he

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<v Speaker 1>rocket with me. Let's go Like and I just I

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<v Speaker 1>look at that team one, they're never out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>The three, the power of the three points shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you look at their bigs and Miles Obi topping,

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<v Speaker 1>Siakam space to four, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 4>Bryan hitting the corner three.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the adjustments looking at this next game,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at Okay, see they had to take their

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<v Speaker 1>bigs out because of the three balls that they the

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<v Speaker 1>threes that they were giving up.

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<v Speaker 4>Do they do at the next game?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like they they already went smaller, but when

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<v Speaker 1>Indy goes small, they are big.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Malcom got two offensive boards in the fourth quarter that

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<v Speaker 1>were big. One he got on and then another one

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<v Speaker 1>he scored shade in box them out right. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you're just looking at some of those plays like they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're winning on some of those different plays where they have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a bigger lineup when they are small, because

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<v Speaker 1>Miles could stretch constretched top and hit five threes. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you start out a little shaky, but he settled in.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was watching them, I'm like, man, Indy, if

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<v Speaker 1>they could settle into this game, slow down, because they

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<v Speaker 1>played fast, you know, they they were still right in

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<v Speaker 1>striking distance the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>They were the whole time having nineteen turnovers in the

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<v Speaker 2>first half, which is insane. They were still only down

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<v Speaker 2>ten points, and I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>they turned the ball over like this. They got forty

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<v Speaker 2>seven points and they've created nineteen turnovers. That's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you, you're not capitalizing on none of that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they ended up with nine like they had nine.

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<v Speaker 2>They had nine.

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<v Speaker 5>They had nine points off those turnovers in the first half.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it never it never really affected okay.

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<v Speaker 5>See I mean Indiana the way it should have.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think when I look at when I look

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<v Speaker 2>at what they just did, Nie Smith ten points, Siakam

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen points, Miles Served fifteen points, them are fourteen points,

0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Holly Burdon fourteen, Obie Topping seventeen points.

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<v Speaker 4>That game reminds me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Game one, twenty fifteen NBA Finals and Dot you

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<v Speaker 2>are our leader scorer. You had twenty and all the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us seventeen nineteen seventeen, fourteen fifteen, Steph Ain't

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<v Speaker 2>had a crazy game. Clay Ain't had a crazy game,

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<v Speaker 2>and we won the game that way with set a

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<v Speaker 2>tone for us in that series, you know, and they

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<v Speaker 2>just did that and regardless of all the things that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know when you when you speak on

0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.000
<v Speaker 2>OKC taking their bigs out, my only thing with that

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<v Speaker 2>would be they had an eight point lead when they

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<v Speaker 2>took their big at the game, absolutely and like you're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna out three Indiana. That's not what Okay Steve

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<v Speaker 2>ts like. So you know when I when I watched

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<v Speaker 2>the end of that game, like, yes, players make plays,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, Sean and both me and Dot we

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<v Speaker 2>had the pleasure of having when you get in that

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<v Speaker 2>moment Steve coming through, and that's Steve is a magician

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<v Speaker 2>in those moments.

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<v Speaker 5>The bigger the moment, the better Steve gets.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know this, Mark Diagno first first NBA Finals game,

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying Rick Carlile first.

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<v Speaker 4>Rodeo ric.

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<v Speaker 2>And Rick Carlo made the subs that he needed to make.

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<v Speaker 2>He pulled Miles Turner at three o seven and put

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<v Speaker 2>over the top in it. You know what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>he playing chess and Mark Dagno pulled his thigs out

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<v Speaker 2>and thought that and went super small. And like to

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<v Speaker 2>your point you said, when they small, they're still pretty big,

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<v Speaker 2>bigger than Yeah, that strength, their strength is checked, their

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<v Speaker 2>strength is Hartstein and you gotta roll with that. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna out there, You're gonna do them at what

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<v Speaker 2>they do. And so.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, and you know, you know what mess mess

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<v Speaker 3>and this one mess the Knicks up to your point,

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<v Speaker 3>uh as dot is uh you get cross match. So

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<v Speaker 3>when you cross match with Indiana, it creates crazy matchup problems.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the Knicks couldn't find no picking rolls when

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<v Speaker 3>they had Karl Anthony Towns at the five. It's like you,

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<v Speaker 3>they flying down the court now faster than you and

0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the point guard is six seven. So now okay, see

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<v Speaker 3>you playing small. But like you said, Indiana is a

0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.200
<v Speaker 3>bigger team. And so when you're running back and you

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<v Speaker 3>cross mess, now that's how you they didn't call the

0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.800
<v Speaker 3>time out. You got Wallace or Halliburton, no lou Dort, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they are the and credit to Rick Carlisle

0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.399
<v Speaker 3>because you got to know when to make that sub

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of throw the game off to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>to throw it in your favor. Absolutely, and and and

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna they're going to win the small lineup because

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<v Speaker 3>everybody on their team rebound. Pascal Siakim, he get garbage,

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:26.359
<v Speaker 3>dirty rebounds, put backs, Halliburn rebounds well from a point

0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:32.080
<v Speaker 3>guard position. Me Smith, he flying over, He just flying everywhere, right,

0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.679
<v Speaker 3>And so that that's that's the big difference is you

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<v Speaker 3>can't match up with them and transition and set your defense.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's how they that's how they came back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great call out. And honestly, that's how they

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<v Speaker 1>got those threes because across match and again.

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<v Speaker 4>The power of the kick ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's like, either you got somebody that can get

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<v Speaker 1>it off the glass and he can push it, and

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<v Speaker 1>David's coming in.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember Steve, like every time, get it out of house.

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<v Speaker 3>Push.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you got scrambling. Now we got to get matched up.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom open three, right, or you got a big trying

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<v Speaker 1>to run down to get a block.

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<v Speaker 4>No, you're on a three point shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to boom now, be topping boom three miles

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<v Speaker 1>turner three. So and I noticed it as well in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning. I don't know if you caught it, but okay,

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<v Speaker 1>see did change their lineups to match up sometimes sometimes

0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:32.359
<v Speaker 1>there is you know, you can outsmart yourself trump match

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<v Speaker 1>up with the other team instead of making them play

0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.840
<v Speaker 1>your way right right, So it's gonna be interesting this

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<v Speaker 1>chess match to see what they come back with in

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<v Speaker 1>the starting lineup.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, go ahead, go ahead, because I was

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<v Speaker 3>gonna ask you a question. My question is to that point,

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<v Speaker 3>are the threes hurting you enough where you sticking to

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<v Speaker 3>your big lineup? Did the threes hurt you enough? Because

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<v Speaker 3>you still, like, like like Jay said, you still got

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<v Speaker 3>an eight point lead with three minutes to get up,

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<v Speaker 3>So is it really hurting you for you to make

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<v Speaker 3>that adjustment when this is your bread and butter?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the NBD Again, those are the questions that

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<v Speaker 1>coaches that can't sleep at night.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the huddle because it's like, yo, man, like

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<v Speaker 1>we had a lead, we were right there.

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<v Speaker 4>What were the heirs that we made?

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<v Speaker 1>Now we can end up making we can overadjust, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we can overadjust and start trying to do things that

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<v Speaker 1>are outside our comfort zone when you know, really maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was a you know it was a loose ball,

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<v Speaker 1>it was an offensive rebound. We got to get this board.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to win this possession. The ball is goal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they were winning the possession game. And then towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the fourth you know again Indiana was making

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<v Speaker 1>all of the right plays, and then you watch Caruso

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<v Speaker 1>foul put the put Limhart at the line right off

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<v Speaker 1>the clock. Little things like that where you have the lead,

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<v Speaker 1>those are mental hers and Caruso is a champion, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a vet again. But it's like those are the things

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<v Speaker 1>probably shouldn't be in that position.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're Indiana, you didn't play well at all, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you played pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 4>You wouldn't. This is the best way.

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<v Speaker 2>To win a game one in an NBA Finals, in

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<v Speaker 2>any playoff series, especially in the NBA Finals and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>If OKC could have actually hung on, it would have

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<v Speaker 2>been the best way they could win game one.

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<v Speaker 5>And here's why Steve would always tell us this.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve would always say, I'm happy we didn't blow that

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<v Speaker 2>team out, because if you blow that team out, now

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta face added steam when they come. When they

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<v Speaker 2>come out in game two, they come and and naturally

0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.480
<v Speaker 2>thing naturally you relax a little bit because you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like we go. You know, if you blow that team out,

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana didn't play well at all, they steal this game,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they come back with a free swinging game two.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's a tough position.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we saw, we saw the Knicks do this last

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<v Speaker 2>series with Indiana. Now, all of a sudden, Indiana come

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<v Speaker 2>out and Game two and they on fire, because we

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<v Speaker 2>know they capable of that, Like we know they're capable

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<v Speaker 2>of coming out in game two and being on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>So now if that happens, now you're in trouble. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing where I'm not where I'm not happy

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<v Speaker 2>with the substitution the change of the lineup is you

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 2>made your adjustment before the series started. Like that's something

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<v Speaker 2>you go to. You you go into game one, You

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<v Speaker 2>roll with what you know, You roll with what you like.

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<v Speaker 2>You you you rid with that. You don't make your

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<v Speaker 2>your your series of jet you know, lay your trump down,

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<v Speaker 2>your trump card before the series even start. So now

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.119
<v Speaker 2>your adjustment is to go back to like you you

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<v Speaker 2>making an adjustment after game one that like you go

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<v Speaker 2>two games with your star lineup before you like that was.

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<v Speaker 4>Sixty eight games, sixty steps games.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now you're scrambling to to you know, to to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out because you you've already made that adjustment

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and instead of maybe enforce your will first, right or

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<v Speaker 1>see what see what the layer of the land is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, before you start showing the trump you know,

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<v Speaker 1>before you start showing the different adjust you know what

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<v Speaker 1>that says to me?

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 3>That tells me says, yeah, your heels already already.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's but even a step further than that, that

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 2>tells me that that coaching style is not confident in

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<v Speaker 2>how they've looked in these playoffs, because that means like

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<v Speaker 2>something like in the end, ain't thinking about changing they

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<v Speaker 2>starting line up because they are very comfortable with how

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<v Speaker 2>they've gone through these playoffs. They was how they got

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<v Speaker 2>four one four, one, four to two, right, Like, they

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<v Speaker 2>feel very confident in what they're doing and how they

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<v Speaker 2>got And what that says to me is Okay, see,

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<v Speaker 2>don't really feel confident.

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<v Speaker 5>And how they got here.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's that's a very interesting thing to me

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<v Speaker 2>just to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about it. I don't like that at all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm gonna draw a reference to We Believe

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<v Speaker 3>because before this, before the series, Dallas changed their lineup

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<v Speaker 3>and the whole thing was are they gonna stay big?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they gonna go small? Like the whole conversation was

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<v Speaker 3>what they're gonna do before the series even start to

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<v Speaker 3>adjust what we're doing. And I think part of it

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<v Speaker 3>is being overconfident because they start off and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna go big, and then they immediately went small, right,

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 3>and they got to plan our game and they can

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<v Speaker 3>never get out of it. So when they tried to

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 3>go big, like we had already figured that adjustment out.

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Then when you go small, we already got like that's

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:29.120
<v Speaker 3>our pace. And and back to Indiana, Indiana gonna win

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:33.360
<v Speaker 3>the small big lineup, the big big lineup. You already

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 3>took yourself out because you're not weighing in on the

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 3>positive of the park and saying you're not wearing in

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 3>on the part of the positive of what chet is

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna bring you. And so when you get to that moment,

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm up eight. Okay, we're gonna spread the floor. And

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 3>that's Ga gonna go to work. William's gonna go to work.

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 3>The floor gonna be spread. But Indiana plays basketball like that.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Can't see no finished games like that. You don't finish

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 3>games like that, So you already off ballance. And I

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 3>think it sometimes it can be overconfident to think that

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 3>all right, like we can play we can play any style.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure you come.

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So let me ask you right like as if

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>you see that you on the other side, you're Indiana

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and now you're seeing the matchups, does that give you

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 1>confidence like, oh, they already adjusting to us, right Like

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>when you went in Dallas made those adjects. Are you

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>thinking like, hey, they can't. They're trying to play and

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>catch us. So does that give you confidence as a

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>player right coming out?

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you you you've you've figured out how to

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 3>beat them right the way you play. So if you

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 3>can play, you're you're more confidence saying if I can,

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 3>if I can control the pace, if I can control

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 3>the style, then they can't be us playing our style

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 3>in our past. If we can stay with them or

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 3>whatever they do, we prove that we you know, we

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 3>can come back. If we can stay with what with them,

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 3>then we got a chance to win it. So your

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 3>confidence meter, it just go up, like you ain't even

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 3>thinking about Indiana, not thinking about losing, yeah at all. Yeah,

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 3>they're not thinking about no. Like whatever adjustments that they're making,

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 3>it's an adjustment to win, right, okayc is trying to

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 3>figure out how to win.

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Right right, And they can play better too.

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thing can play better because I mean twenty turned

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>overs in the first half like.

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 3>That, that's not about like I.

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Was trash, Like that's that's terrible, you know, but to

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>be in striking distance, I mean again, that's just confidence

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>that we can come out and even even play better.

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 3>So jay I was waiting for you to say and

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 3>HALLI and then have a good gas Like I was

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 3>waiting for you. I could. I could hear your voice

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 3>in the fourth quarter, and he's like, man, they coming back,

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 3>and Halliburn ain't even here. He ain't even visible in

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 3>the gas. I can hear you saying that, no problem.

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>When he don't have a good game. He usually don't

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 2>have two battles in a row. If I had to guess,

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 2>he gonna come out game two so damn aggressive. He

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna come firing, he gonna come out down hell like

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 2>hally Burton is. Like Hally Burton is like Peyton Manning.

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Like the last thing you want Peyton Manny doing is

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>playing with the league. Like Peyton Manning get to play

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 2>with the league, and he get to dial up anything

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.959
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to dial up. Good luck, Like because you

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>put him in these situations where he could run, he

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>could pass, he could get to the line audible. Watch

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>what you audible? Too audible again? You trying to audible?

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 3>He gone.

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Like the last thing you want to do with pay

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>money is put him in that position to just be

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>free swinging and doing what he want to do. And

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>that's not the position that Holly is in and he

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna come out fight, and it's.

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Just it's just then to see that he came out

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the first half. I think he took like five shots

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>shaped like nineteen.

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes he did.

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I'm thinking of myself in that first half, man,

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>like one of them setting the tone for what this

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>series is gonna look like, and then the other one

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>is just trying to fill it out, right, And that's

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>your flow. But to your point, BD, the way that

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>they play all year and long, right, like sharing the basketball,

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>trusting each other. There's something about the energy in that,

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, in that system to where when you can

0:30:56.320 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>constantly sharing it, constantly sharing it, it's going to find you.

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>And in those moments who they give it to, I'm

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>hard to hit big shot shot like yeah, he's myth.

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 3>They just know, they just and and I was I

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 3>was gonna say, this is us is when he has

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 3>the rock in his hand, he's you don't expect a turnover,

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 3>you don't expect nothing bad. You're like, you figure you're

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna get a really good shot and the whole team

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>knows that. So him had like like like Dre saying

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 3>the pay money analogy is you know him with the

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 3>lead is like he gets to start picking his poison,

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 3>like how you want to serve up dishes and going

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 3>back to the turnovers, he not turning the ball over

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 3>down the stretch. He's solid. He's solid with that rock.

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 3>He's solid with his decision making. And I think that's

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 3>what Shaye needs to kind of pick up more for Okay, See,

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 3>you gotta be more of a playmaker. You gotta be

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 3>on your defensive. Bro. You can't just you can't just

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 3>score the points on this team because they can all

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>score points. Absolutely don't have to like make plays, but

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 3>you don't have to make your big guys more valuable

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 3>in this series in order for you.

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 2>With SGA tell your point. He finished with thirty eight

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>uh made fourteen minute range jumpers in game one. He's

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 2>he leads the league of mid range jumpers shooting. He

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>shoot the mid range at fifty uh. Obviously I watched

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you destroy guys with the MIDI get filed in every

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 2>game once the game at least you getting filed on

0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the MIDI. Yeah, you that ultimately it can still be

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>as effective versus the threes in today's game.

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>No, you need a diversity of play in today's game.

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>And I say that because of just the way the

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>game rules have changed, is m hmm. And then the

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>way that we prioritize the analytics in today's game. So

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and so with that roster construction, you know will be

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>built around you know, spacing the floor, taking the best shots,

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>being more efficient. And you know, again we come from

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a different cloth, a little bit from from different eras

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of how we played inside out, right, and that train.

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 4>Has left the station, fellas, and it's not come back.

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think until you know, I think you

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>had your kids, you got embiid, you got guys that

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>are dominant in the in the post. But again, these

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>guys can shoot threes, right and and you know again

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>they they can clay make out of the post. So

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 1>you look at what s she A does. He had

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight. How many threes did he take? He took

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>six threes as well, right, so you know he can

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>also burn you off the dribble from the three. You

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.879
<v Speaker 1>gotta you gotta respect it. So now he can get

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you on his hip. And for a MIDI guy, that's

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>that's where you want to, you know, on your hip,

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>create space, get to your slot. And it was it

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 1>was looking beautiful out there, But no, I think you

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>definitely need more diversity in play because of how fast

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the game is now, and you got to keep the

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>defense guessing.

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think you speak. You speak about

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>getting a guy on your hip for the mini. I

0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 2>actually think if I'm guarding shape, I'm sending him left.

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm riding his right arm and I'm not recovering on

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 2>the drive. So if he want to go to the

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 2>rim every time and try to shoot a layup, I'm

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna have my help come over late. And when I

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 2>had to help come over late because shake him past

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>the ball. But he not a passer like last second

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 2>or all you come help last second, dish. He ain't

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>passing it like that, like once he gets his minal

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.919
<v Speaker 2>score and going to the rim, he getting to the cover,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 2>and so I'll help late. And anytime he's start driving left,

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not cutting him off. We used to do it

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the Jr. Smith Doc because he wanted to step back. Obviously,

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Shae's a totally different player than Jr. But and certain

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 2>guys lou will where you don't cut him off because

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.280
<v Speaker 2>they looking in the stop and shoot, shoot the step

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.799
<v Speaker 2>back and Shade is like that, and if you get

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 2>your body in front of him.

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 5>He gonna showder you. And if he missed with that shoulder,

0:35:58.320 --> 0:35:59.839
<v Speaker 5>he gonna forearm you and he get off.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 2>He get away with that, And so you can't get

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 2>in front of him because you take your help of

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 2>what out of the picture and he just shooting a

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.320
<v Speaker 2>wide open MIDI every time, I think you actually should

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:12.439
<v Speaker 2>ride the hip on him.

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 4>When we played when we played.

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Boston in the finals a few years back, I noticed

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>something and playing against them, and we put this rule

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in the series. I noticed that Jalen Brown could pass,

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 2>but if you help early on him, he couldn't make

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the past like he wasn't at that time. He wasn't

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>strong making the past if you help up early. So

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 2>with him, we will help up as soon as he

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 2>started driving, we will help up early.

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 4>With JT.

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 2>We know he would make the past early, so we

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 2>helped late, like right at the rim, we helped on JT.

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 2>And it gets that detailed at this point. And okay,

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and I think Indiana, that's something that they need to

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 2>figure out, like do not get in front of Shade

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>getting love, don't get in front of him, just ride

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 2>the right arm and force him all the way to

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the rim. You got my Turner at the rim. You

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 2>got times Ryan at the rim. You got over top

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 2>of that the rim. Is he gonna hit enough layups

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 2>to beat you. And another thing with those layups, when

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 2>he go and take those tough layups, he fall down.

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Well guess what, Indiana, that's the advantage because they're getting

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 2>out running.

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 4>You get.

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Boom.

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 5>He getting before you running.

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 2>And so I think, you know when I look at

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 2>when I look at that, and I hear you say

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 2>like you want to get that guy on your hip

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 2>dot Your jump shot was like this, So you man, you.

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Scared of that man?

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 2>You get your shot up here and a guy get

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 2>on your side. It really don't matter because your shot

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>was way up here. Say up there like that, and

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>so my guy ride is hip like that. It could

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 2>bother him a little bit, I think, But.

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, full that in. I

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, just real quick. He does like to

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>get to that spot. I honestly think he likes to

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>go left with the with the MIDI because it's right shoulder, right.

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 4>To the spot.

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 1>You know when you bring the hell now, you give

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>him something to think about and as we know, so

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>you're getting me back.

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I'm in the foxhol again on the

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.320
<v Speaker 4>sweat a little bit. Uh.

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>When you we know it's only a couple of guys

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>that can make that type of pass, you know, on time,

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>on target, because when you bring in the double, it's

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>only a few guys one that they get double teamed offense,

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 1>so they have to read it. They know it's coming,

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>they know where to Outlet's but the Bronze, the Lucas,

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the guys that can really you know, make that drive

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and then hit the open man right because we know

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.280
<v Speaker 1>that we're doubling. The back line is already we already

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.879
<v Speaker 1>thinking okay, I'm in rotation at what I'm saying.

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 4>So I'm thinking I'm ready to shoot out.

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to feel So that's interesting because he does

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.359
<v Speaker 1>want to get to that baseline and he will pull up.

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 4>But if you break the help now, what is what

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 4>is his next move exactly? You know?

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Or or just to play Devil's advocate if you're the

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 3>coach of OKAC, right to your play about the mini,

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to get to the mini because everybody's on

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 3>the perimeter that we play your bigs and you get

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 3>your big send down in the block, you're gonna have

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 3>space to ice up. And so it creates a different

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 3>dynamic because you got now you got a couple people

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 3>below the free throw line in the ghost area. And

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:10.400
<v Speaker 3>now for for sga, he can operate in that elbow

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 3>at fifteen sixteen foot because I say, for us now

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 3>with the Warriors, which' all was so good at y'all

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 3>will push the brake kick ahead to you and you

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 3>already had the you already had ten feet. He was

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 3>already at ten feet ulb one on one with action

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 3>on the backside. And so for okay, see they kind

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 3>of play these big dudes down the stretch because if

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 3>you play five out, you play small. Shake can't get

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 3>to is. He can't get to the mini. He gotta

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 3>go all the way to the ole. You can't get

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 3>to the mini because everybody is hovering around the perimeter.

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, that's a good point. That's a good point. Last

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>week just that up Drew. I don't know if you

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>remember this. We played obviously the twenty sixteen and I

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>hate the I hate talking about you know, twenty points

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>in that game one because we lost, So who cares

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the series, but we lost twenty sixteen to Cleveland. We

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 1>come twenty seventeen and you know, the Calves they're playing

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of the same way, but they're playing they're actually

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a better team. And I remember at the time we

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 1>got KD and Kyrie the way that he plays, the

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>way that he burnt us really in those that that

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Game five, Game seven, getting to his spots and if

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you watch, you know, being able to you know, like

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he comes from Kobe's school in that way footwork,

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:44.240
<v Speaker 1>spind fade right, like getting to spots. And I feel

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>like I remember Steve talking about we were watching film

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, you guys that are at the nail,

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 1>if you could get.

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 4>In and can test from the behind, from the.

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Backs of the review contests, a rear view contest, and

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember Kay getting a couple of those drag into

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>those and just so that's something to think about with Indiana, right,

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 1>just those kind of.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 4>In those pockets.

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>It's it's you know, it's hard because you don't want

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>to file and the guys and whatnot, but it's just

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.720
<v Speaker 1>something to think about. And to me, that's where Okay,

0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:17.240
<v Speaker 1>see I'm watching them in the first half I'm like, damn,

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 1>these boys everywhere give rotating. If you turn your back,

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>they own you. You know, they biting down, you know

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. And they got hands and so I'm

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.319
<v Speaker 1>just you know, that's just kind of the game within

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 1>the game where you go back, you watch the film,

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you see how you can you know, how you can

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:37.320
<v Speaker 1>prove on those sucks.

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, I agree with that one hundred percent.

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Like in Indiana, I think they get the opportunity to

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 2>watch this film too.

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 5>I think they'll pick up on some of those little nuances,

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, and.

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:53.240
<v Speaker 2>That those little those little things like you make shape,

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 2>think about an extra shot or two like this that

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 2>can change in the entire game, which one game can

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>change an entire series.

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 5>So you have to pick up on those little nuances.

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:11.799
<v Speaker 3>As man, Okay see been drawn close similarities to the

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 3>twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Golden State Warriors because won the

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 3>playoff record, the offense, the defensive raigning average aged team

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 3>in the regular season record. Sean j Uh, do you

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 3>think this okt okay s team is similar to the

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Warriors squad that

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 3>chall was up where I think they're Where I think

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:42.359
<v Speaker 3>they're similar is.

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 2>The age young guys, you know, with a few vets

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:57.720
<v Speaker 2>like Hardenstein, not Check and those guys age Sean Andre.

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 2>They weren't our age, you know what I'm say, and

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 2>so we kind of had that balance and Boged you know,

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 2>d Lee, they they were little. Oh they're so Caruso

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>has been there before, right, So like I think they

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>got a few vets like we had, that kind of

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 2>settles things down for them. And they got young guys

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Shay and you know JD just kind of out there

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>run a while, doing their thing, relying on their talent

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know, obviously thinking the game, but not to

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.959
<v Speaker 2>the level of the Vets because they've just seen more,

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, and so the vets see more, they help

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 2>you more, they see these things, they seeing these things developed,

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and so I think they are in that aspect obviously.

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:44.800
<v Speaker 3>I've seen the playoff record very similar.

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.439
<v Speaker 2>Offensive rated and I think, you know, we we were

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 2>number one, they're like three.

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.759
<v Speaker 5>Defensive rating were both number one. I saw those things.

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>The end of season record, I think they're sixty eight

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 2>with sixty seven, and so I see all of that stuff,

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 2>and I see a young team that's gone through their lumps,

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 2>like they lost in the second round last year, and

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 2>which what seems now to be poised to take that

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>final step.

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.280
<v Speaker 3>I can see those similarities.

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 2>But the style of play couldn't be further from the same.

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:25.399
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a completely different style of play. All

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 2>of the things I see for sure, and I you know, uh,

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 2>that can be great. You gotta you gotta close it out.

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 2>You gotta finish the deal in order for those comparisons

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.160
<v Speaker 2>to really mean something. If you don't finish the deal,

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>those comparisons don't mean anything. But the style of the

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>styles of play is what I would say is drastic and.

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Different similarities, similarities, similarities.

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.359
<v Speaker 4>It's definitely it's definitely similar. I mean, he nailed all

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 4>the points. I mean, we you know, he really nailed it.

0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Like listen, they were the best by far this season,

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:06.840
<v Speaker 1>by far, and honestly watching them too, they did not

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:07.919
<v Speaker 1>take games off.

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 4>Oh, Like that was one thing.

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 1>If they were supposed to be a team that was

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that they were a lot better than They beat the

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>dog shit out of that team, right right, And so

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the habits that they were building, that's what I watched

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and I see I'm like, okay, you know the steps.

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I think when I came to this team twenty fifteen,

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I had come from playing with Kevin Garnet, Paul Pierce,

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Joe Johnson, Darren Williams. These guys were kind of already

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>cemented in their careers, former champions, veterans. They had a

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 1>mindset about winning where they expected to win. When I

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>came to Golden State, they had already tasted winning, and

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I felt like they wanted to win.

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.840
<v Speaker 4>And I had never been further further than the semi

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.760
<v Speaker 4>conference finals. Dre might have been to the conference finals,

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 4>but none of us had been to the finals, similar

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 4>to this team with okay see, So watching some of

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 4>you know again, I was interested to see who is

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 4>gonna settle into this game tonight and then where you know,

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 4>the light's gonna be too big?

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:20.919
<v Speaker 1>You know, which team is the light's gonna be too

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:26.319
<v Speaker 1>break for. But watching okay see towards the end, it

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>does remind me a little bit of our first year

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>going you know, when when Kyrie and Kevin Love went

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 1>down and they went up to one right and it's

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like we're not you know, like again, they should they

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:44.279
<v Speaker 1>probably should have won this game, okay, and and and

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 1>so watching them, watching the Pacers come back, you start

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>to see a little bit of that experience, you know,

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>even maybe on the coaching side and not the not

0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the shots. But again, this is new, this is the

0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is now you filling it out and you

0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:02.359
<v Speaker 1>you can only get this by going through it right.

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 1>So that part absolutely so like that part now, you know,

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 1>reminds me. And those are the similarities to where Okay,

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:13.799
<v Speaker 1>now we got to figure it out. Now, we got

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to win right like we you know,

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:20.960
<v Speaker 1>in these moments too when it matters. And I think

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>watching them, they have all the ingredients. Obviously you know

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>they're they're the favorites. But like you said, you got

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to walk the walk now, and it's one thing to

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 1>do it. And just last point on that, when we

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 1>came in again, none of us had any experience. Bron

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Broun went to the finals, what six seven years in

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:42.319
<v Speaker 1>a row, and also.

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen he went and eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, then fifteen thousands,

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:49.320
<v Speaker 2>fifth year in a row.

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 4>Fifth year in a row.

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.360
<v Speaker 1>And I just remember I'm coming off the bench, so

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to catch the flow of the game. I'm

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>watching everybody's energy and I'm just seeing just the difference

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 1>in how he you know, how he's approaching Orchestrating's just

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 1>the calmness, the coise, right, and it's contagious. It kind

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of trickles down, if you will. And I think we

0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 1>were searching for that, right because I mean it's Steph

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>first time, it's Clay first time. They what twenty six,

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, you know, like, so nobody had that experience.

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:25.920
<v Speaker 4>But I think, you know, again.

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 1>This is this is character building for Oka see, So

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 1>we'll see what they do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You just mentioned Okay see being in the face ever

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 2>to win. Do you think people are underestimating how good

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:08.320
<v Speaker 2>of a coach Rick Carlole is. You know, he he

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 2>obviously coached Dallas, which we just spoke on bron who

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 2>beat Miami, upset Miami and the NBA Finals. Do you

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>think people are looking past that and not that Mark

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 2>dad knows a great I think Mark dad knows a

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 2>great coach.

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 5>But there's always something to say for the guy that's

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 5>been there.

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 2>And here's what I will say, Rick Carlisle is coaching

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:34.719
<v Speaker 2>for every coach that has won a championship.

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.360
<v Speaker 5>Because I'm gonna let y'all hit on a little secret, folks.

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.879
<v Speaker 2>None of the coaches that has won a championship want

0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:45.240
<v Speaker 2>to have new coaches enter into that that fraternity. They

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.319
<v Speaker 2>like to keep that small. You know, maybe they don't

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 2>win it, but maybe a guy who's won it is

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 2>won it. They don't like new, new, new applicants, new

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:58.839
<v Speaker 2>entries and to that and to that fraternity. So Rick

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Carlisle understand, Rico was coaching for every coach that has

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 2>won a championship right now. But do y'all think people

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 2>are underestimating his experience and what he's been through in

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 2>these different playoff situations?

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:12.919
<v Speaker 4>Shit, I know more.

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 3>You can't, man, if you don't you know, if you

0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 3>don't think Rick Carlisle is a great coach for me,

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.799
<v Speaker 3>Look what he did with Indiana. He took them to

0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 3>the finals. You know, look what he did with Dallas

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:32.840
<v Speaker 3>in that run, right, you know, like reconstructed like a

0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 3>reconstructed Dallas team, a older team like Rick Carlisle coach man,

0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Rick Carlole been in the game. He know a game,

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 3>he love a game, and you can see he's not

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 3>afraid to make adjustments. There's a confidence that I think

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, Dre. We talked about it, uh when we

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 3>was in New York in the next series. There was

0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 3>just a confidence of man, what is he doing? Why

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 3>is this person? Why? And and it just worked. He

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 3>plays ten, he may play eleven. He has so much

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.839
<v Speaker 3>confidence and his players have so much freedom that they

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 3>over index Obi topping the night five threes? Right, is

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 3>it a genius move? It's the move he may right,

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.880
<v Speaker 3>And he's not afraid to make those moves. And I

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 3>think everything he does is calculated and has and and

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:34.160
<v Speaker 3>being in that moment. He has scripts that he can

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 3>pull from. Right, he has an old playbook that he

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:41.759
<v Speaker 3>can pull from and say maybe this will work as

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 3>opposed to okac where hey, we had this in the

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 3>playbook and we had this before the game. If this happens,

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:53.879
<v Speaker 3>we can go small. But he still win this game.

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Right now, That's the fact I think when I when

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I look at this, this Indiana team where Rick Carlo

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 2>dot spoke about our first time doing it, like and

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>how none of us had done it, and he spoke

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 2>on the levels that we had played on the one

0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 2>person that had been through it out of all of

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 2>us with Steve Kerr, and he was the one that

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.960
<v Speaker 2>was kind of telling us, hey, fellas, this is going

0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 2>to be a little different on this day. You're gonna

0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:27.760
<v Speaker 2>have to practice at the arena. We don't really practice

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 2>at the arenas. That's going to be different. He's like,

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 2>you know when we got when you go out to shoot,

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.680
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be a million people around the court.

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 5>Like it's just kind of throws off your routine a

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:38.960
<v Speaker 5>little bit.

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 2>You had to you will have the hunch to start

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.359
<v Speaker 2>going to talk to people, you know, stay locked into

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 2>your routine. You know, there was uh what was we

0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:55.320
<v Speaker 2>oh the opening practice the day before where the media

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:59.440
<v Speaker 2>come into your practice. Like he's he's kind of telling

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 2>us all these things, preparing us for this moment. Whereas

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Okac has it an Alex Caruso,

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but having that in a coach like it's extremely calm.

0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Me Like Steve would just be like, all right, we're cool. Like,

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:15.880
<v Speaker 2>oh that happened, all right, no problem, Like, we'll do

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:19.440
<v Speaker 2>this now. And the confidence he would have trickle down

0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:22.359
<v Speaker 2>to us, you know what I'm saying. And so they

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 2>got Rick Carlile, who I can see is doing that.

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 5>He's cool.

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 2>It's other side of the pillow. Sam's obviously doing it,

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. And and and that team is feeding off that,

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's a that's a dangerous thing to have.

0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:40.920
<v Speaker 2>And the experience that Rick Carlile can pull from in

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:44.400
<v Speaker 2>that playoff run along, he went through the Lakers with Kobe,

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 2>he went through kat Russ, James harden k and then

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.319
<v Speaker 2>they played Bron Wade and Bosh And in all of

0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.439
<v Speaker 2>those series they were combined twelve and three.

0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 5>Like, like, Rick Carlile.

0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Know what he doing and he showed that with some

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 2>of the chess moves he made tonight. And I'm looking

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.279
<v Speaker 2>forward to watching that matchup amongst the two coaches, the

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:12.400
<v Speaker 2>chess moves that they've made throughout the course of the series.

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that's gonna be fun.

0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely And and and don't forget I mean I'm taking

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:22.000
<v Speaker 1>away back now, but this man was with Indiana when

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Mary Bird took the places to the finals, yes, that

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 1>was I mean we talked two thousand, but again, just

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that experience is invaluable and and hitting on that with Steve,

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like there's nothing like going through it and then

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 1>having someone give you kind of the blueprint or snapshot

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of what to expect, you know, from a from a

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>leadership standpoint.

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I feel like Carlisle was in Detroit too,

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.360
<v Speaker 3>wasn't he in Detroit when they made.

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Conference finals? They went to a couple of conference finals

0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>with in Detroit. Just let him going Brough Larry Bird

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, right, that's yes, I remember, Yes, So

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 2>he season though. That's the thing is, you know.

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 3>He has Yeah, he got he got a lot to

0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.960
<v Speaker 3>draw from or he got a lot to draw from.

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 3>And I like watching him coach because he make in

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 3>game adjustments and he's not afraid to make those adjustments

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:29.720
<v Speaker 3>to switch those adjustments up because a lot of times

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 3>coaches don't have counters for counters, yeah right, they have scripts,

0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 3>and they have game plans, and they go off their script.

0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 3>They go off their game plan, and sometimes you don't

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:46.920
<v Speaker 3>have a feel for the actual game or not paying

0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 3>attention to the actual game if it's not going to

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.359
<v Speaker 3>your plan. And Rick Carlisle was like, you know what,

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.200
<v Speaker 3>hold on, this is not going to our plan. Let's

0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:59.120
<v Speaker 3>switch it up and see if we can find tempo.

0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:03.440
<v Speaker 3>We can control tempo and give ourselves a chance. Maybe

0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:05.760
<v Speaker 3>we can shoot more threes or pick up the pace.

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:10.280
<v Speaker 3>You gotta have a coach like that, especially in the finals.

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 3>And Steve Carr does that too. He did that a lot.

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.800
<v Speaker 3>I watch y'all make adjustments. I watch y'all make a

0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 3>lineup change. Not so much lineup changes, but matchup changes.

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:24.040
<v Speaker 3>Start working through other people, working through other matchups, just

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.919
<v Speaker 3>to get the Steph Clay Katie back in script right,

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 3>just to get the three points hitting again. And so

0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 3>you have to have these counters and counters for the

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 3>counter to be able to keep your flowing. And it's

0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 3>just hard to bet against Rick Carlisle because he battle tested.

0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 1>If there's something that's to say too about being poised,

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and I don't you know again, I think this is

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 1>very underrated from just a human component, you and that

0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 1>head coach and see in the finals it's a lot

0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of pressure. But again this is what that experience comes into.

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Empower and stay with the guy when he messing up,

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:08.200
<v Speaker 1>when the Pacers came out again, they would turn the

0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:10.800
<v Speaker 1>ball over and I seen it was a couple of

0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:13.800
<v Speaker 1>guys that was a little shaky, you know, and again

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 1>just just throwing the ball around and that's okay, it happens,

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.040
<v Speaker 1>but just hearing him from the side and one, hey, sorry,

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 1>next play mentality. It gets you out of your own

0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:29.160
<v Speaker 1>head right to where now, okay, I'm in the game.

0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>And some of those guys you see like they're in

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the game in the fourth quarter making big shots now

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:39.080
<v Speaker 1>right because they didn't let the first quarter, the first

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:42.440
<v Speaker 1>half dictate how they finished the game. And a lot

0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:45.880
<v Speaker 1>of that is coaching and your coach pulling you when

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you throw it away right away, you know, telling you

0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 1>next next shot mentality you are you know, next play,

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 1>come on, fellas, we got it. And those are the

0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 1>little things in that environment. And we all play with

0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:01.960
<v Speaker 1>all three of us. You know, we played in okay, see,

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:05.920
<v Speaker 1>we know how loud that arena is, like you know,

0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's pressure in the finals, everybody watching. You

0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>want to perform, your whole family watching, You want to

0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.200
<v Speaker 1>put on for your city, put on for your family,

0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 1>every all all of.

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 4>That, but you gotta just It's still basketball.

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:28.560
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a fact. And also not to be uh,

0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:32.880
<v Speaker 2>not to be forgotten. Rick Carlo also won a championship

0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:39.920
<v Speaker 2>as an NBA player, So so you know, here a

0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:43.680
<v Speaker 2>champion through and through and he's showing that. Boys. But

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:47.720
<v Speaker 2>before we continue with more basketball talk, we have to

0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>mention that if you care about NBA history, you need

0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to check this out.

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:53.920
<v Speaker 4>One move changed everything.

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<v Speaker 2>The all news series The Grudge from Vice Sports, It's

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<v Speaker 2>a must watch.

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<v Speaker 3>This week's episode takes us back to nineteen ninety five

1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:08.880
<v Speaker 3>when pat Riley from the Knicks. Not in when pat

1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Riley left the Knicks, not in a press conference, but

1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:17.440
<v Speaker 3>the facts. Then he joined the Miami Heat and created

1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.880
<v Speaker 3>the franchise we know today. That one move lit the

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:25.160
<v Speaker 3>fuse on a rivalry that would define both teams for years.

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<v Speaker 2>We lived these twists and turns and look behind the

1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.480
<v Speaker 2>curtain of what was really going on. The finale of

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<v Speaker 2>The Grudge unpacks every angle, the betrayal, the bad blood,

1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and the battles on the court that followed.

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<v Speaker 3>Wahton Grudge Finale Wednesday at ten pm Eastern only on

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<v Speaker 3>Vice TV. Find your channel at vicetv dot com. Move

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<v Speaker 3>around the league.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit conversation has been going around the league

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<v Speaker 2>about big name players like uh and uh, like does

1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:03.480
<v Speaker 2>that player to market? No? Does the player need to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the market to become a superstar? Guys like

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<v Speaker 2>Shack say a bigger market doesn't matter. However, Stephen A

1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:16.320
<v Speaker 2>believes that market size doesn't matter to only transcend the

1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:19.960
<v Speaker 2>players like Shaq. Do y'all think market size matters when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to be becoming the face of the NBA.

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<v Speaker 3>Championships matter? I mean it's hard to say. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it's really hard to say. I think the face of

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<v Speaker 3>the league is.

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<v Speaker 4>Swag.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it matters of being in the market,

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<v Speaker 2>being in the big market and becoming a face in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA. I'll tell you why. I know for sure

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<v Speaker 2>it don't matter because Lebron James became the face of

1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:04.600
<v Speaker 2>the NBA Cleveland, Ohio, and that's not a big market

1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:10.840
<v Speaker 2>by any stretch of imagination. Different, So I think you

1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:16.200
<v Speaker 2>have to be that great and and I think I

1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:21.360
<v Speaker 2>think what more so this brings up is because stephen

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<v Speaker 2>They was saying, like the pressure you get and when

1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:26.680
<v Speaker 2>you're playing in New York or the pressure you get

1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:29.520
<v Speaker 2>when you're playing in LA I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>the same pressure those guys get when they're playing in

1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:37.280
<v Speaker 2>those cities. Lebron James got that pressure in Cleveland. In Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 2>if he didn't win, like there's noise, there's this he

1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.600
<v Speaker 2>can't do it no more. Steph Curry get that same

1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:45.600
<v Speaker 2>pressure in San Francisco, California.

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<v Speaker 5>But if you don't win, it's a failure. Can they

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<v Speaker 5>still do it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the dynasty over When you are that great, the

1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:55.840
<v Speaker 2>greatness creates the pressure every year, You're honest, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're honest, be having these these press conferences at the

1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:01.160
<v Speaker 2>end of the year. They'd be so for philosophical you know,

1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and be getting deep into press conferences. But it be

1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:07.560
<v Speaker 2>because people are asking questions like, man, why you ain't winning?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like that those guys are under pressure no

1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:13.439
<v Speaker 2>matter where they are. Is now is the media from

1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the media standpoint? Are they going to talk a little more?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, The New York Post is going to get

1:03:18.240 --> 1:03:20.600
<v Speaker 2>more eyes, you know, the New York Times, like when

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<v Speaker 2>you're in markets like that, when you're in LA like yes,

1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the Los Angeles Times and like different, like those things

1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:30.160
<v Speaker 2>are bigger so I'm not saying the thing don't get bigger.

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<v Speaker 5>But Lebron James was Lebron James without.

1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, like and and Gianni's becass become Jiannis and Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:44.680
<v Speaker 2>like Joker has become Joker in Denver, Colorado. Luka Doncas

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<v Speaker 2>didn't become this Luca Doncis when he went to La

1:03:48.040 --> 1:03:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Luca Doncis became that in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did Lebron go to the Lakers? I ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm I think that's much bigger than just going

1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:00.280
<v Speaker 2>to the Lakers, right right, That that's a chest that

1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:02.400
<v Speaker 2>you're making about the game of life. That's that's way

1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:06.480
<v Speaker 2>bigger than just going to play basketball somewhere. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I disagree like I think Yannest. What the

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<v Speaker 2>I think what this brings up is is how many

1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:21.960
<v Speaker 2>true superstars are there? Because Joannest is actually a true superstar. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Yani is in New Yorker, Yannic is in Milwaukee, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they may have more a few more national TV games

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<v Speaker 2>because he's in New York City, but Jannis is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, no matter where the hell are you.

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<v Speaker 4>At, right Well, I agree with that. I agree, I agree, No,

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think your question is do you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a big market to be the face of the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>I say no, but there. But to elaborate on where

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<v Speaker 1>you were going with pressure, I think we all understand

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<v Speaker 1>there are more pressure there there. You know, you have

1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.760
<v Speaker 1>more pressure in those bigger markets. And I can see

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<v Speaker 1>why stephen A says that because you are the media, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, and you we know what the media

1:05:08.760 --> 1:05:13.400
<v Speaker 1>is like in La New York, you know, Boston and Chicago. Yeah,

1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:17.680
<v Speaker 1>there there is cutthroat, right. They've seen Mike, they seen Magic, right,

1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:22.400
<v Speaker 1>they've seen bird like so yes, and you will you

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<v Speaker 1>will constantly be compared to some of those great players.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be the face of the NBA. No, it

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<v Speaker 1>matters what you do on the floor. At the end

1:05:31.360 --> 1:05:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of the day, if you win, they will period, they

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<v Speaker 1>will come. And that's the point with Giannis, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's been able to establish himself consistently. Every night he

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<v Speaker 1>goes out, he performs at a high level, and he

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<v Speaker 1>gives what he gives and he separates himself right from

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the rest maybe from you know all from

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the all stars, you know, to being

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<v Speaker 1>a star. So it's still about production. It's still when

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<v Speaker 1>it's still winning, and it's still about that at the

1:06:05.640 --> 1:06:11.160
<v Speaker 1>highest moments, like you know, to do it on the stage, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like when when it really matters. Can you put your

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<v Speaker 1>team in a position to win because of you?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you carry your team right? Because it's we we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that you're the guy. And so I think again,

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<v Speaker 1>those those to me are the true superstars. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think whether it's Memphis, whether it's you know a

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<v Speaker 1>BD you said, swag appeal matters right because media and

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<v Speaker 1>the social media, the culture right story. Yeah, absolutely, the narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>so that matters too, But it still comes down to

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<v Speaker 1>production in my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>But check this, check this out, b D and DOT.

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<v Speaker 2>I think back in the day, the media in New

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<v Speaker 2>York and LA was different back in the day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but today we all under that same scrutiny, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna first tain't want to come on in the morning.

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<v Speaker 5>Steven ain't gonna be on there crushing you.

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<v Speaker 2>Kendrick Perker is going to be on there crushing you

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<v Speaker 2>if you are one of the guys like that, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they're gonna do. And so yes, it used to

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<v Speaker 2>be like man in New York, the media they would

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<v Speaker 2>crush you and La the media they would crush you.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was before the media culture of what it

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<v Speaker 2>is became what it is today. And I think now

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<v Speaker 2>like most guys are under that same scrutiny, like no

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<v Speaker 2>matter to market you in if you are a star,

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<v Speaker 2>like you under that same scrutiny, I end up getting

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<v Speaker 2>discussed on on first Tape all the time, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>what it's about. They're discussing me on that show quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. And I'm not in New York, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in Los Angeles, and by all accounts, I'm not a superstar.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet I'm always being discussed on that show. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that necessarily backs up, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the teams that matter. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the guys that matter, Like and how do you make

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<v Speaker 2>a team matter? The Golden State Warriors never matter? We

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<v Speaker 2>made that team matter, like, and so they're always discussing

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<v Speaker 2>the Warriors Now, I think you have to make those

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<v Speaker 2>things matter. I don't think it's the city anymore, like

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<v Speaker 2>because media is nation wide now like it's it's worldwide,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is a basketball is a global game, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's someone in and and and Serbia talking about the games,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I don't think it's specific to only certain markets.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's specific to certain teams and certain guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they put they put this era, they put Miss

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<v Speaker 3>Dugs on Sports Center.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in the highlights. Yeah, you know, like like.

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<v Speaker 3>So that goes to show you, like you got miss

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<v Speaker 3>Dunks making Sports Center where we used to have to

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you gotta dunk on somebody, do something, be something.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think for Yanni's what it is is it's

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<v Speaker 3>also like he's tasted gold, right, and for let's say

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<v Speaker 3>the three years that Milwaukee was number one and couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>do it, he had a story, a journey, it was

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<v Speaker 3>a hero's journey. When he won his title, it was like, damn, boy,

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<v Speaker 3>do that man deserve that? Boy? Do that man? Like

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<v Speaker 3>has he reached a whole nother echelon and level right

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<v Speaker 3>of legacy that he's carving out for self in the NBA?

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<v Speaker 3>And then the next year and the next year, you're

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<v Speaker 3>not getting close. You're getting further and further away from

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<v Speaker 3>that championship. So I think for for Giannis, it's really

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're not a contender, They're not really contended. And

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<v Speaker 3>so for him being a Finals MVP, the Finals MVP

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<v Speaker 3>like being able to taste that like he had a

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<v Speaker 3>he had a great run, back to back MVPs. Everybody

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about Milwaukee. Milwaukee was the talk of town.

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<v Speaker 3>But when you're not winning, you're not winning then, and

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<v Speaker 3>you in these small markets, it's hard to be staying

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<v Speaker 3>in Discovery like it's it's hard to be a face

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<v Speaker 3>to the league. But to your point, Dan, everybody got media,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just now it's like, for be honest, he gotta

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<v Speaker 3>he gotta be on a winning team.

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<v Speaker 2>Does New York City or Los Angeles though life doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to be there because that's kind of what they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting in.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he just gotta be on the team that wins. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he just got to be on the team that wins, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Because I mean, you can say playing in New York

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<v Speaker 3>gonna make you a bigger star, gonna get you more endorsements,

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<v Speaker 3>you gonna have more ship to do. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>not win it and you are a superstar at Gannis level,

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<v Speaker 3>it don't matter where you go. You go to Lakers,

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<v Speaker 3>you go to New York. If you don't win and

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<v Speaker 3>you do the same thing you did in Milwaukee, it's

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<v Speaker 3>ten times worse.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of what he's accomplished too, because who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know who he.

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<v Speaker 4>Is at this stage in his career, right, like what

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<v Speaker 4>he's capable of.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I don't mind what's happening with Okay, see,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind what's happening with Indiana in this matchup.

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<v Speaker 4>And again, the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Team you know, Shaye was in l A right and

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<v Speaker 1>to go through the rebuild now he was young.

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<v Speaker 5>He also was with the Lakers. That's the different.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you job Bott the Clippers. I know you

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<v Speaker 2>got a soft spot, but that's it's just a little different, BD,

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<v Speaker 2>b D. I know y'all got the Clippers, but you know, BD,

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<v Speaker 2>you from l A. Y'all know it's a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Lebron go to the Lakers. I'm just saying he was

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<v Speaker 3>already a superstar.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course he was Lebron.

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<v Speaker 3>If he was already the face to the league.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not to go to LA because that's crazy. You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna act like in two thousand and seven when we

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<v Speaker 2>was playing in the NBA Finals over and over and

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<v Speaker 2>over again, Lebron wasn't Lebron You're gonna really act like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm agreeing with you, Bro, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, why did he have to go to LA because

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<v Speaker 2>it was about more than basketball?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? So you know, I think so he still needed

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<v Speaker 3>he felt like he needed a bigger platform.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's about more than basketball. That's also also

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<v Speaker 2>at that point, he's in what year sixteen? He who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to live in Cleveland? I love my folks in Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to live in Los Angeles. Is great

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<v Speaker 2>living in Los Angeles? So that I mean, so relate.

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<v Speaker 2>I relate that to Gianni's For me, that ain't got

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with me. The biggest news outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA Finals, it's obviously Tom Timberdeau being fired after

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<v Speaker 2>leading the Knicks to their first Eastern Conference finals in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years. What was your reaction, both y'all reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to the next letting them go? I've been lucky enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have two coaches in my career, have y'all, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say for myself, I was shocked as hell

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<v Speaker 2>when when when Mark got fired because we had just

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<v Speaker 2>went to two playoff a pair instance, back to back

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<v Speaker 2>years and the Warriors hadn't seen that type of success.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was shot by that.

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<v Speaker 2>But in saying that, y'all have probably experienced a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more than I have. What's it like when you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like a coach should or shouldn't be fired? And

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<v Speaker 2>do you think it was right that time too was fired?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I go first because I played probably on more losing

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<v Speaker 1>teams than y'all two, So I've seen more coaches get

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough, man, man.

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<v Speaker 2>You you got three championships they played on.

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<v Speaker 4>We believe. Come on, I'm talking with some else.

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<v Speaker 3>Wake up lucky, you know what I mean. Some people

1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:58.400
<v Speaker 3>wake up lucky, you know what I mean? So some

1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:01.439
<v Speaker 3>people wake up lucky is shit, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people wake up in the fucking uh you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in the nice seater side, not so like yeah, in

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<v Speaker 3>the clinic, bro, you know what I mean. And you

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<v Speaker 3>gotta you know the same baby, right right, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>certain babies just handled with care.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey man, it'd be like that. It's like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking I'm looking at the situation with the Knicks

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. I'm like, he's taking you to the playoffs, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he one, he was a coach of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>That obviously doesn't matter anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>We see, you know, guys that get fired the next

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<v Speaker 1>year after being coach of the year. But you know, again,

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<v Speaker 1>after what they've been through, probably since I've been in

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<v Speaker 1>the league, they haven't really been relevant, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as really believing that they can have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to win a championship.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is the closest that they have been.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you attribute that to Tom Thibodeau, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously Jalen Brunson, you get him.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he goes to the Knicks because of Tom Thibodeaux.

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<v Speaker 1>And I look at these teams and I played for

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<v Speaker 1>coaches in similar fashion that because of the way they coach,

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<v Speaker 1>they will turn a team around. Tom Thibodeau is known

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago, when he was in New York, Minnesota like

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<v Speaker 1>of turning a team around, and they play playoff basketball

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<v Speaker 1>in the regular season.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's because of the habits and how he coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, his teams like they practice, right, like we

1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:47.800
<v Speaker 1>all know that, you know, like he practiced, you know

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much probably you know, I'm not gonna say every day,

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<v Speaker 1>but this man, like you know, again, he's from the

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<v Speaker 1>old school, so in that he doesn't He's not really

1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a coach that's gonna make a lot of adjustments. He's

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<v Speaker 1>probably a coach that's gonna make you play his style

1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and his brand of basketball.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now, does that.

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<v Speaker 1>Lead to right maybe you know, the organization thinking that

1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:17.720
<v Speaker 1>he should do things differently. Can you know, can you

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<v Speaker 1>not be on the same page with the organization, because

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<v Speaker 1>now you know, like, are you you know, is he

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<v Speaker 1>too stubborn in his ways?

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<v Speaker 4>Right with with some of the ways that he operates.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the questions, you know, like over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of each you know, each each organization he's at, they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're get they're they're getting to the conference finals, they're

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<v Speaker 1>winning fifty plus games every season. You know, these teams

1:17:44.800 --> 1:17:48.600
<v Speaker 1>have been successful under his watch. And again, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you overcorrect. I think you look at the Phoenix

1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Suns when they had Nash and those guys, and they

1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:58.799
<v Speaker 1>kept getting to the conference finals and the conference finals.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you go and you trade for Shaq, and

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<v Speaker 1>you go and you do all these different things and

1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:06.520
<v Speaker 1>try to switch up and you're right there.

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<v Speaker 4>And sometimes, you know, sometimes it takes a little knock.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'm not like ball needs about like, look at

1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the shot haller Berg hit the first game, But of

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<v Speaker 1>that series, if he doesn't hit that shot against the Knicks, right,

1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:25.080
<v Speaker 1>is it a different series. Like so all those little

1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:28.439
<v Speaker 1>things that you question, you say, Okay, well it's the coach.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the hard part about the NBA because the

1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:35.280
<v Speaker 1>gavelwell fall on the head coach. He's the first to go,

1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:38.760
<v Speaker 1>we know that. And now who do you bring in

1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to say this person, whoever they are, we expect them

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<v Speaker 1>to take us, not to the conference finals, to the finals.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's kind of the expectation that you're setting

1:18:49.800 --> 1:18:52.040
<v Speaker 1>as an organization by firing Tom Thibodeau.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, yeah, I would say you will. There always

1:18:57.600 --> 1:19:03.240
<v Speaker 3>regrets when Thibodeau leaves, because you need there's a there's

1:19:03.280 --> 1:19:08.240
<v Speaker 3>a huge part of him in his DNA that got

1:19:08.320 --> 1:19:13.800
<v Speaker 3>you to that, right. But at the same time, there's

1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:22.520
<v Speaker 3>also maybe a personality like there's a team personality disorder

1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:27.200
<v Speaker 3>or a dysfunction that as you continue to go, you

1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:33.719
<v Speaker 3>start to see like, oh, like they just play hard

1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:39.760
<v Speaker 3>and they're talented, right, and you start realizing that in

1:19:39.880 --> 1:19:43.880
<v Speaker 3>order to get over that next hump, you gotta have

1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:48.120
<v Speaker 3>that Thibodeau personality in that DNA, but you also got

1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:52.679
<v Speaker 3>to have somebody who is paying attention to the game.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I when we watch the Knicks, you know

1:19:57.360 --> 1:20:01.080
<v Speaker 3>the reason why I'm looking at it. And I said,

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of the season, Dane, you can't play

1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:09.520
<v Speaker 3>seven guys the whole year. And so at some point,

1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:14.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is year five for TIBs og Anobi,

1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:18.839
<v Speaker 3>Michel Bridges, Josh Hart, playing all of them goddamn minutes

1:20:19.439 --> 1:20:24.120
<v Speaker 3>next year are they gonna be hurt? Cat? And so

1:20:24.280 --> 1:20:28.120
<v Speaker 3>you run the risks of I mean, it's just a

1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:31.080
<v Speaker 3>fine line because like you run the risk of, like damn,

1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:34.200
<v Speaker 3>we was right there, Tims got us right there. We

1:20:34.320 --> 1:20:37.160
<v Speaker 3>bring a new voice in maybe he a little bit

1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:41.200
<v Speaker 3>ling it, but maybe that ain't what they need. You

1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:45.759
<v Speaker 3>feel what I'm saying. We talk about the Knicks next tape,

1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:49.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, maybe that ain't what they need, or maybe

1:20:50.360 --> 1:20:54.559
<v Speaker 3>they're one or two players away. I remember when Houston

1:20:54.640 --> 1:20:59.439
<v Speaker 3>let go Trevor Resa, and you know, people didn't pay

1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:02.360
<v Speaker 3>much of time to it, But to me, I said,

1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Houston is not going to be the same because sometimes

1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:10.160
<v Speaker 3>it's the dude in the locker role, right, that hold

1:21:10.240 --> 1:21:11.360
<v Speaker 3>everybody down.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the fact. Now, that's the fact. I agree one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand percent.

1:21:16.080 --> 1:21:16.519
<v Speaker 4>I think.

1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I think what just happened to TIBs is this, and

1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:22.120
<v Speaker 2>you see it quite a bit in the NBA these

1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:29.000
<v Speaker 2>days due to and in part two, I think the

1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:33.200
<v Speaker 2>success that we had and on that run with Cleveland

1:21:33.240 --> 1:21:35.479
<v Speaker 2>and the dominance that was going to the NBA at

1:21:35.479 --> 1:21:41.360
<v Speaker 2>that time, every all the conversations nowadays that your championship, championship, championship,

1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and in turn, people try to ignore the process in

1:21:47.280 --> 1:21:48.640
<v Speaker 2>getting to a championship.

1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.040
<v Speaker 5>That shit is hard and it takes time, and the

1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:52.439
<v Speaker 5>timement is different from me and people.

1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, if you're firing TIBs, if you're firing Tips because

1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:00.639
<v Speaker 2>you just think ought like.

1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:04.240
<v Speaker 3>He ain't the guy to get us there, that's one thing.

1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:07.760
<v Speaker 2>But if you're blaming him for not winning a championship

1:22:07.800 --> 1:22:10.479
<v Speaker 2>with this team, that's not the right thing, because that's

1:22:10.520 --> 1:22:14.559
<v Speaker 2>not a championship. Ross. I don't believe that the New

1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:18.519
<v Speaker 2>York Knicks as currently constructed today, I don't think that

1:22:18.520 --> 1:22:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that team can win a championship. I don't give a

1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:24.160
<v Speaker 2>damn how many players team to play all year. I

1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:27.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think that team can win a championship. I think

1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:29.320
<v Speaker 2>what Tom Tiberdeau did and getting that team to their

1:22:29.320 --> 1:22:35.080
<v Speaker 2>first conference finals in twenty five years, I think that

1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:37.320
<v Speaker 2>steps in the right direction to move it towards the

1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:40.120
<v Speaker 2>right direction. I think that's a step in the right direction.

1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:43.400
<v Speaker 2>That's say, hey, front office, we may be to bet

1:22:43.439 --> 1:22:46.799
<v Speaker 2>the's point a guy or two away and really making

1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:49.760
<v Speaker 2>this thing go and like really getting over that hump.

1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Me personally, I don't think the guyer too is some

1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:59.680
<v Speaker 2>small guy. I think they need like like one of

1:22:59.680 --> 1:23:04.080
<v Speaker 2>the more. I personally think like that team needs that.

1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:08.360
<v Speaker 2>And so no, I don't. I don't agree that Tim

1:23:08.400 --> 1:23:10.720
<v Speaker 2>should have been fired based off of this team not

1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:13.879
<v Speaker 2>winning a championship as if they were championship or bus

1:23:14.120 --> 1:23:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and under chief their pet rolls they say that, but

1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:21.640
<v Speaker 2>the oy tests coming from somebody who I believe, I

1:23:21.720 --> 1:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>know what that looks like.

1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:31.879
<v Speaker 1>Now, it's hard to because you end up measuring yourself

1:23:31.920 --> 1:23:37.080
<v Speaker 1>against what the Golden State Warriors was able to accomplish

1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:40.400
<v Speaker 1>or the Cavaliers have it. You know, like you start

1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:45.320
<v Speaker 1>looking at the teams and how they build. Denver Milwaukee

1:23:45.439 --> 1:23:47.799
<v Speaker 1>got you know again, you start looking at these teams

1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:52.600
<v Speaker 1>how they were put together and you say, okay, we

1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:58.639
<v Speaker 1>we've we've had some success. We are right there, and again,

1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:00.280
<v Speaker 1>is this the guy that can get us there? I

1:24:00.280 --> 1:24:02.679
<v Speaker 1>don't you know, again they have to answer that question.

1:24:02.760 --> 1:24:08.040
<v Speaker 1>But we're in this era of instant gratification because of

1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>what the media and you know, the business and you know,

1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:17.679
<v Speaker 1>again we all benefit and then you know, we all benefit.

1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it is a beautiful thing. The game

1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:25.280
<v Speaker 1>has grown. You know, we have giants. You know, people

1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:28.040
<v Speaker 1>have contributed to that over time that we have to think,

1:24:28.439 --> 1:24:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, and obviously the NBA has done a great job.

1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>But because of that, now the pressure cooker is a

1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>lot higher, you know, the temperatures a lot higher, you know,

1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:39.519
<v Speaker 1>as far as I need to win right now, right like,

1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:45.280
<v Speaker 1>because again you know the process, what it takes. Can

1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>you go through what okay, so you went through, you know,

1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.439
<v Speaker 1>get to where they are now and the top that

1:24:51.520 --> 1:24:54.160
<v Speaker 1>it takes to get there. Can you make it through

1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:57.880
<v Speaker 1>that time in New York at that right where you

1:24:57.880 --> 1:25:01.360
<v Speaker 1>know they calling for heads out there right uh, their

1:25:01.439 --> 1:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>fans with the Lakers, you know, because let's be honest,

1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the fans can be spoiled sometimes, you know, like especially

1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:13.160
<v Speaker 1>when you take success. You think it's easy in this world.

1:25:13.400 --> 1:25:17.439
<v Speaker 1>So it will be interesting to see what happens. But

1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I would agree. I think you know, they could benefit,

1:25:22.479 --> 1:25:25.280
<v Speaker 1>for you know, from from adding a couple of other pieces.

1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:26.280
<v Speaker 4>But we'll see.

1:25:27.000 --> 1:25:30.160
<v Speaker 3>One thousand man, DoD, We appreciate you.

1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:34.439
<v Speaker 2>My brother coming on the show means a lot, you know,

1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I know it means a lot to be deep, but

1:25:37.040 --> 1:25:40.200
<v Speaker 2>just mean a lot to me. Uh, just having an

1:25:40.240 --> 1:25:43.519
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to share the time that I share it with

1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>you and come on shop it up after the finals

1:25:46.720 --> 1:25:47.880
<v Speaker 2>before you get out of here.

1:25:48.640 --> 1:25:50.440
<v Speaker 5>Who you got winning this championship?

1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:54.760
<v Speaker 4>My dog? Oh man, I don't do that to me.

1:25:55.840 --> 1:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Who you got.

1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:00.639
<v Speaker 4>Me? Man?

1:26:00.680 --> 1:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>We out here in the West, Man, So I'm gonna

1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>go in and go and stay local, stay local.

1:26:08.640 --> 1:26:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, clean it up, man, young money.

1:26:14.800 --> 1:26:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you, my brother, Sir, my daughter, thank you,

1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you.

1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Love love to the fam to my brother always.

1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:28.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:26:28.479 --> 1:26:33.120
<v Speaker 3>All right, it's our first live one man. Congratulations Johnny.

1:26:33.160 --> 1:26:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Appreciate your brother got through it. That was great. Cool.

1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:40.080
<v Speaker 2>You know we are you know, I do got a

1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>couple more questions that I want to run by you

1:26:42.280 --> 1:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>before we get off But before we do that, I

1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:48.719
<v Speaker 2>have to remind you that ice Q is Big Three

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<v Speaker 2>Find your channel now at vicetv dot com. All right, man,

1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I got a question for you. Talk to me.

1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:05.840
<v Speaker 3>After watching Game one? Who do you have win in

1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:06.479
<v Speaker 3>the series.

1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:09.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm worried.

1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:11.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm worried.

1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm worried for OKC man, you cost you cost twenty

1:28:16.160 --> 1:28:20.639
<v Speaker 2>first nineteen first half turnovers and you couldn't wall enough

1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:26.360
<v Speaker 2>to pull away at least to get up twenty points,

1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:30.840
<v Speaker 2>like twenty turnovers, like nineteen turnovers and a half. That's insane.

1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:35.479
<v Speaker 2>And all the guys is not playing well, like nobody

1:28:35.560 --> 1:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>scored over twenty points, maybe even seventeen points like that.

1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:44.120
<v Speaker 2>That to me is scary because you held the Pacers

1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:47.719
<v Speaker 2>to twenty eleven and their mo is defense. You held

1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>them to twent eleven and you lost. Yeah, that's the

1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>problem because they gonna get They gonna get on like

1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:59.120
<v Speaker 2>they gonna get anyway, you know. And so to me,

1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:04.719
<v Speaker 2>that signal is a big, big, big, big big problem. Man.

1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, if that's gonna be the case, man,

1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:19.559
<v Speaker 2>I gotta roll with the Pacers, and I think the

1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Thunders supposed to win.

1:29:21.439 --> 1:29:27.719
<v Speaker 3>But between that and Rick Carlisle, he's just any close game,

1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:33.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm siding with the Pacers. Okay, see has been manhandling

1:29:33.200 --> 1:29:36.479
<v Speaker 3>them all in the regular season, all up until that

1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:40.120
<v Speaker 3>eight minute, that three minute mark or a six minute

1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:41.040
<v Speaker 3>mark in the fourth.

1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:42.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1:29:45.680 --> 1:29:49.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean shit, Okay, see they should they should be

1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:53.760
<v Speaker 3>the superior team. They reflected that maybe this is just

1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:56.519
<v Speaker 3>the game that slaps them up and wakes them up.

1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:01.040
<v Speaker 3>And then I don't know if you know this, but yeah, yeah,

1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:06.680
<v Speaker 3>the Pittsburgh Stealers. Y'all want um signing Aaron Rodgers and

1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:10.240
<v Speaker 3>what you think I'm to do.

1:30:13.280 --> 1:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>We're about to trade for John new Smith. We're probably

1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna trade for another receiver. Super Bowl Pittsburgh, watch out,

1:30:22.760 --> 1:30:27.559
<v Speaker 2>coming back, shout out to Mike Towland. Absolutely, but I

1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think.

1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:31.040
<v Speaker 3>I think Mike Taylan and Aaron Rodgers ain't gonna get allowed.

1:30:31.080 --> 1:30:32.080
<v Speaker 3>And that's my prediction.

1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Aaron Rodgers, don't come drama.

1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Don't come in here with drama.

1:30:36.840 --> 1:30:40.280
<v Speaker 3>There's gonna be some drama and Pittsburgh.

1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>There's a way we go about things in Pittsburgh, and

1:30:43.000 --> 1:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>you're coming into this culture.

1:30:44.400 --> 1:30:47.479
<v Speaker 3>You must go about things that way, and he will.

1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:51.640
<v Speaker 3>That's Aaron Rodgers. Man. You can't tell them what to do.

1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Man, stop it. Listen here, Aaron Rodgers coming to Pittsburgh.

1:30:56.720 --> 1:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>You're coming here brother on one year deal. We're not

1:30:59.320 --> 1:31:01.519
<v Speaker 2>putting up with no nonsense. You coming here to play,

1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:03.559
<v Speaker 2>you coming here to win. And at the end of

1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:07.839
<v Speaker 2>the season last year, last couple of games, he started

1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:10.680
<v Speaker 2>to Rogers starts stepping up in that pocket. Man, he's

1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>coming back from that killers injury step year, and he

1:31:14.720 --> 1:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>starts stepping back up in that pocket like Aaron Rodgers.

1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>So watch watch still, let's go still.

1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:30.240
<v Speaker 5>Even so we predicted last he predicted, go ahead, go ahead.

1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:32.760
<v Speaker 3>So you project super Bowls.

1:31:33.120 --> 1:31:33.599
<v Speaker 4>Book it.

1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:34.200
<v Speaker 2>It's happened.

1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:37.360
<v Speaker 5>You can book that last thing before we get out

1:31:37.360 --> 1:31:37.559
<v Speaker 5>of here.

1:31:37.600 --> 1:31:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I was very vocal at the All Star Game time

1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>about it being trash. I thought it was awful and

1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>it made no sense that G League guys got to

1:31:47.000 --> 1:31:48.559
<v Speaker 2>play in the NBA All Star Game.

1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:49.680
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy to me.

1:31:51.720 --> 1:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Adam Silver came out UH a couple of days ago

1:31:55.240 --> 1:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and said it will be us a versus the world.

1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I like the idea. I think that was dope in

1:32:00.960 --> 1:32:04.519
<v Speaker 2>hockey this year it was a little different. But in

1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>saying that, do you like the idea and what do

1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:10.840
<v Speaker 2>you see, it's possibly being the biggest concerns with the idea.

1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Look, man, the problem is is the style. It's like,

1:32:27.280 --> 1:32:31.720
<v Speaker 3>you're not You're not going it's hard to get the

1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:36.839
<v Speaker 3>competitive style in an All Star game when the style

1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:42.000
<v Speaker 3>you play is very similar to what you're trying to

1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:47.160
<v Speaker 3>reproduce in an All Star game, right, So, like the

1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:50.920
<v Speaker 3>style that they play now is very similar to like

1:32:51.400 --> 1:32:54.479
<v Speaker 3>the most magical All Star games that you could see

1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:59.200
<v Speaker 3>right threes Dougs highlights things like that. So now when

1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:03.880
<v Speaker 3>those dudes go the like dumbed down the floss right

1:33:04.240 --> 1:33:07.920
<v Speaker 3>or or show you something else, they're showing you like, man,

1:33:07.960 --> 1:33:12.400
<v Speaker 3>we can hit for a shots all day. And so

1:33:12.920 --> 1:33:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I think personally like we've gotten away from I am

1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:25.479
<v Speaker 3>an All Star, I represent my team. It makes you

1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:28.679
<v Speaker 3>feel good, It makes you feel good for the players

1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:32.599
<v Speaker 3>on your team, the organization you're putting on for your city.

1:33:33.120 --> 1:33:36.040
<v Speaker 3>I say, man, just go back to the jerseys. Let

1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:40.439
<v Speaker 3>everybody rock their jersey in the All Star Game East West.

1:33:40.840 --> 1:33:44.880
<v Speaker 3>But you know, we'll see what happens USA versus the world.

1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I just think that it it fucks up the voting,

1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:51.400
<v Speaker 3>it does.

1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:54.839
<v Speaker 2>I think that's that's what I think about. The voting

1:33:55.560 --> 1:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>changes the voting for sure. I think I think eating

1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>on a on a world versus USA level is going

1:34:04.800 --> 1:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>to create something. Although I don't know if they'll have

1:34:07.400 --> 1:34:10.240
<v Speaker 2>the same product that will have because it's not necessarily

1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Canada or Serbia, but maybe they will. I don't know,

1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I see that there's just a lot

1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>they're asking, you know, they're they're moving the game to

1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the daytime, and I think that that will make a

1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:27.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit of a difference. Guys want to get out

1:34:27.600 --> 1:34:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of there and get the vacation you getting there earlier.

1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:32.439
<v Speaker 2>Like I think I think that can help a bit.

1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>But ultimately, I think if they entertainment that uh, that

1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:40.599
<v Speaker 2>opening practice that.

1:34:40.520 --> 1:34:43.800
<v Speaker 4>They do, they need to.

1:34:42.920 --> 1:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Mix it and go with a real practice so guys

1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:48.839
<v Speaker 2>can like actually put in some sets and like actually

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<v Speaker 2>like talking about making this serious and like some time

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<v Speaker 2>exactly they want to do that. I think they should

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<v Speaker 2>do that. But you know, you sell tickets to the

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<v Speaker 2>opening practice and sponsorships, so you know, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>give a little to get a little sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think from an entertainment perspective, you got us

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<v Speaker 3>versus the world in the middle of the season, I

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<v Speaker 3>start thinking from a media perspective, just a coverage around

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<v Speaker 3>the world is going to actually make it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a media spectacle.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, all right, man, we know, All Star

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<v Speaker 3>Weekend coming up in La What kind of entertainment we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have. Is it gonna be frough, gayzy? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we gonna have the culture involved? Like All Star

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<v Speaker 3>Weekend used to be a celebration, like a homecoming yeah

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<v Speaker 3>to us, where all the players felt like coming. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>all the players felt like, hey, man, I got to

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<v Speaker 3>show up at All Star Weekend to see my former teammates,

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<v Speaker 3>to see my nephew, my gossa. You start really start

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<v Speaker 3>to seem like, yo, we are like a big family,

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<v Speaker 3>and we start getting away with we start getting away

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<v Speaker 3>from that because now everybody kind of like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 3>got the corporate party over here, and the corporate party

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<v Speaker 3>over here. But it's like and everybody's busy, so players

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<v Speaker 3>don't get a chance to hang out in the lobby

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<v Speaker 3>and it'd be thirty you know, like how he was

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<v Speaker 3>in New York. Like that's what All Star Weekend used

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<v Speaker 3>to be, like, like we all want to dinner, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, Like when you was an All Star,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's going to the same places. We all hanging out.

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<v Speaker 3>We're happy to be around each other. It's old, young,

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<v Speaker 3>new and next to come, you know, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's where we got to get back to. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to see legends on the sideline of the All Star Game.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to see John Legend. I do not

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<v Speaker 3>want to see John Legend sitting nowhere on the floor. Bro,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't fuck with basketball. They don't even matter to

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<v Speaker 3>the game, right, we don't care that they're watching some

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<v Speaker 3>legends in those seats, and let's tell their story, right, Man,

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<v Speaker 3>do not put John Legend on the floor. Okay, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, man, I'm gonna go kick it. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go kick it. Spill this, Jake Conn.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's hilarious. I think, I think, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>can get better. But I've always said this, it just

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<v Speaker 2>has to be more about the game.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta be about the player.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see maybe maybe they can get it right. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully you're not. But you know, all Star weekends the

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<v Speaker 2>last thing I'll say. All Star Weekend used to be

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<v Speaker 2>like a cultural like phenomenon, like like culturally like it's lit,

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<v Speaker 2>like you gotta go to All Star Weekend. All Star

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend today is just a corporate It's just a corporate.

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<v Speaker 3>Corporate tea party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know those aren't always the most fun.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we'll see, we'll see how it go.

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<v Speaker 2>But we appreciate you all for tuning in our first

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<v Speaker 2>live episode UH Indiana Tates Game one. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank Sean Liverston for coming on the show. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>all for tuning in til next time. That's a rap

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<v Speaker 2>from the Draymond Green Show with the legend Baron Davis,

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<v Speaker 2>My brother. Appreciate y'all.

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