Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, Welcome back to The Draymond Green Show
Speaker 2: with My Dog b D with Aaron Davis.
Speaker 3: We live.
Speaker 4: What's good, Bro?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 4: We live? Bro?
Speaker 2: It's a special one day. Also, I got I got
Speaker 2: uh my brother here with me. It's you know, it's
Speaker 2: crazy because I watched myself in the league every day.
Speaker 5: You know, I not watch myself, but like I just
Speaker 5: see the process.
Speaker 2: That I'm going through on a daily basis. I lived
Speaker 2: at and I think back to like what feels not
Speaker 2: that long ago, but every day I go to the
Speaker 2: facility now for practice, for a game, I gotta get
Speaker 2: in the hotel and this this my my brother. That's
Speaker 2: that's coming on the shovels today. He used to be
Speaker 2: in the hotub and I used to be like, man,
Speaker 2: you so damn oh like like you you like you
Speaker 2: were in the hotel. Man, you owe every day you're
Speaker 2: in the hotel. And he used to be like, it's
Speaker 2: right around the corner for you. It's gonna happen to
Speaker 2: you too. But this dude mean a lot to me. Uh,
Speaker 2: three time NBA champion, I got just sharing that experience
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: An executive in the NBA number four pick in the
Speaker 5: two thousand and four NBA Draft, coming straight out of heights, the.
Speaker 2: Mini God, the Master range uh important important part of
Speaker 2: our dynasty. None other than my brother. It's DoD Sean
Speaker 2: Livy said, welcome to the.
Speaker 4: Fellas. Fellas appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Have me on the plass of today, yees sir that yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I see that father time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I start getting in the hotel like
Speaker 2: on my own, you know what. Else when I go
Speaker 2: in there dot lights off. It's also like the calm
Speaker 2: before the storm too. You know, it's just like zing out.
Speaker 2: But I would go in and like see Rick and Danny,
Speaker 2: you know, so I start doing the body work and
Speaker 2: they and they would notice the difference, like, Yo, you
Speaker 2: ain't been in the hotel right now. They like, you
Speaker 2: go get in the hotel.
Speaker 1: Autumn shouts, y'all was shooting at me. I come in
Speaker 1: with my green teeth, you know, I get right, that's style.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to last beat there.
Speaker 3: The teens. It ain't teensy, and now look at it.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: The minutes pile up, baby, especially when you win it. Yes,
Speaker 3: the minutes they pile up, they gonna catch up faster
Speaker 3: than they would a normal do that.
Speaker 2: I'm still sprouted us, so they ain't caught up yet.
Speaker 2: I'm still you know, I'm still a little sprouting them.
Speaker 2: So but the process, you know, of like going through it,
Speaker 2: like every day learning the body, knowing, learning what you
Speaker 2: need in the off day, like lifting more man the
Speaker 2: process of being ready to take the court. Though it's crazy,
Speaker 2: like it's a It requires so much more time than
Speaker 2: just like when you just had to work on your game.
Speaker 2: It's like a totally different type of discipline and not
Speaker 2: what you don't quite understand when you're watching guys go
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's like the summers. For me toward
Speaker 1: in my thirties was just straight weights and conditioning, but
Speaker 1: you know, just to prepare my body. And then just
Speaker 1: of course the way I played the game, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously just getting to the spots off the dribble. It's
Speaker 1: a harder game. Wasn't a three point shooter, wasn't a spacer.
Speaker 4: So just I.
Speaker 1: Remember it was a game we were playing, and it
Speaker 1: might have been against the Clippers, and one of the
Speaker 1: guys came up to me and he was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: this towards the end of my career, like the last year,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what do your workouts look like? Do
Speaker 1: you just get it to just shoot all ten footers?
Speaker 4: Bro? Like you know what I'm saying, Like what else
Speaker 4: do you do?
Speaker 1: Like you know, And I'm just like, Damn, I had
Speaker 1: to think about it, Like damn.
Speaker 4: All the sauce, that's it. I get straight.
Speaker 3: To it to the point, that's the sauce.
Speaker 4: That's it. Like I want to hit on black. I
Speaker 4: know I'm hitting knitting.
Speaker 1: So but it's uh, it's definitely towards the latter part
Speaker 1: of your career, Like, yeah, man, you got to think
Speaker 1: about all the stretching, the yoga, the recovery, all that.
Speaker 4: So I'm glad you in that seat now.
Speaker 2: But it's I got a different appreciation for it, for sure, yes,
Speaker 2: sir appreciation. But man, we just watched Game one of
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. I know y'all watched it. I watched it.
Speaker 2: I mean I think just just initially getting into it.
Speaker 2: Hollie does it again, b D, what do you experience?
Speaker 3: Does? What do you what do you expect?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: And I say, I said, geez, he ain't about to
Speaker 2: do it. He's not about to.
Speaker 3: Do it again. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: It was crazy because they just keep fighting. Man, and
Speaker 3: when them hard, I think he airballed the three. Pascal
Speaker 3: laid it up. It was like, oh they down one,
Speaker 3: they just set themself up. And I mean Halliburn, that's
Speaker 3: prime time, that's prime time Halliburn. He knocking him down.
Speaker 3: He's mister clutch. He he's mister clutching the playoffs? Man,
Speaker 3: what's your thought on that? Sean? Do you watch that? Yeah? Man?
Speaker 1: I mean's I wanted to kick it to y'all because
Speaker 1: you've been in those precious situations like when you're watching Halliburton,
Speaker 1: do you feel like he needs to do more in
Speaker 1: that fourth quarter?
Speaker 4: Are you watching him and say like where is he at?
Speaker 1: And just pop up like you know, like man, he
Speaker 1: just and it's something about to hitting those shots in
Speaker 1: prior series that it's like, Okay, I've been here before,
Speaker 1: like when they come to me.
Speaker 4: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: But I'm watching the game out here, are you know?
Speaker 1: I'm listening to the broadcast. They're like your best player
Speaker 1: has to be better, you know. They they ready to
Speaker 1: dig in and narrative on him. And then boom there
Speaker 1: you go right like like what y'all, what do y'all
Speaker 1: see when y'all watching like the last six minutes of
Speaker 1: that fourth For a star player.
Speaker 2: I think in an ideal world, you want to see
Speaker 2: your star player take over the game, like you want
Speaker 2: to see him Yep. The reality is Halle not really
Speaker 2: that dude. Like he that dude as far as like
Speaker 2: the player that he is, but he not. When I
Speaker 2: say he not that dude, like he's not going to
Speaker 2: go look to score every time. That's just not his mindset.
Speaker 2: He looking to get everybody involved. That's how they team playing.
Speaker 2: So I think when it comes to Halley, everybody want
Speaker 2: him to be something that he not and like I mean,
Speaker 2: I got the utmost love and respect for his game, but.
Speaker 5: He not Shaye.
Speaker 2: When I think of their team, I think the guy
Speaker 2: who who that is for them is actually Siacle like
Speaker 2: Siakam is when when in the high pressure moments like
Speaker 2: meet of the game, eight minutes to go on the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, holl he gonna give you some games because
Speaker 2: he got the ball and he making the players and
Speaker 2: he just get it going. But Siakam is the guy
Speaker 2: that they go to the settle things down, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's the role that he plays for that team.
Speaker 2: So I think, yes, in an ideal world, you're always
Speaker 2: gonna want to see the ball in your best player hands.
Speaker 2: And what I will say is, can Hollie go get
Speaker 2: the ball more and get them into more things and
Speaker 2: be more demonstrative during that window about getting them into
Speaker 2: things and making the plays.
Speaker 5: Yes he could, but that's young man.
Speaker 3: The ball move that they don't rock like. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: don't really rock like that, like what the and and
Speaker 3: dre Ma and j We talked about this in the
Speaker 3: Milwaukee series. I said, Indiana not scared of nobody because
Speaker 3: everybody is green. Everybody got a green light. Nemhar got
Speaker 3: a green light, Nie Smith got a green light. Miles
Speaker 3: Turner can shoot the ball, Obie Toppings can make ploog like.
Speaker 3: They all have a they all got a freedom that's
Speaker 3: different and their style of play. So for Halliburnon, he
Speaker 3: trying to unleash that freedom. So you forget about him,
Speaker 3: And I think that's a something kind of a good
Speaker 3: point guard is you forget that he's controlling the game
Speaker 3: or trying to control the tempo or recreate a tempo.
Speaker 3: So then when he do have the ball, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: he called, he ain't been in the moment, but he living.
Speaker 3: He almost like setting it up, but a dramatic to
Speaker 3: live in that moment. And he got he got big.
Speaker 3: He he liked big lights. And it's only it's only
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just certain players that's like that over
Speaker 3: the history of the league. It's like, no matter how
Speaker 3: big the moment and the lights, especially when you in
Speaker 3: a situation you down one, you got nothing to lose,
Speaker 3: Like the lights get bigger and your bravado get bigger.
Speaker 3: And I think that's especially the type of shots he shoot,
Speaker 3: right the sat he shot against the Knicks where he
Speaker 3: went out, dribbled out to the three and shot at
Speaker 3: three and made it. And now you look at this one.
Speaker 3: He's just said he's just setting the table. And they
Speaker 3: freedom allow him to kind of be a disguise, so
Speaker 3: he don't need to he don't need to push too much.
Speaker 3: He can he can be a little bit more aggressive
Speaker 3: and looking for his office game. But the way he
Speaker 3: operates that offense and the way that they playing with freedom,
Speaker 3: they got other people make plays until your point. Siakam,
Speaker 3: He's another dude that plays with freedom that you're not
Speaker 3: really looking at it and saying like, damn, man, we
Speaker 3: gotta stop Siaka because he he he. He gets a
Speaker 3: lot of intangibles. Offensive rebound pumpbacks, uh, leakouts, right, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: secondary trail one on one iso pull ups, so all
Speaker 3: this stuff is a floating. They're a tough team because
Speaker 3: they're not scared and they got they got an offensive
Speaker 3: firepower and everybody eats yes.
Speaker 1: And I like what you said about him being a disguise, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like this is who he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's honestly why I really liked his game coming out
Speaker 1: in the draft, because he is a pass first.
Speaker 4: That's his personality, that is his mindset.
Speaker 1: I just you know, I look at him and I'm like, man, okay,
Speaker 1: Siakam won the MVP for the Western Conference Finals? Is
Speaker 1: Siakam that effective without Halliburton? Meaning those hockey assists? We
Speaker 1: talk about that, right we had when we played right
Speaker 1: that day, it was like how many passes can we get?
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just like just to pass it around
Speaker 1: the perimeter. It was more of just the feel, the
Speaker 1: energy to the ballll. It's like when you kicking it ahead.
Speaker 1: You notice be the user score. It's like, man, you
Speaker 1: kick it ahead, you get somebody going. Somebody kick it
Speaker 1: ahead to you. You like, oh all right, ooh he
Speaker 1: rocket with me. Let's go Like and I just I
Speaker 1: look at that team one, they're never out of it.
Speaker 4: The three, the power of the three points shooting.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at their bigs and Miles Obi topping,
Speaker 1: Siakam space to four, Thomas.
Speaker 4: Bryan hitting the corner three.
Speaker 1: So I think the adjustments looking at this next game,
Speaker 1: you look at Okay, see they had to take their
Speaker 1: bigs out because of the three balls that they the
Speaker 1: threes that they were giving up.
Speaker 4: Do they do at the next game?
Speaker 1: You know, like they they already went smaller, but when
Speaker 1: Indy goes small, they are big.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Malcom got two offensive boards in the fourth quarter that
Speaker 1: were big. One he got on and then another one
Speaker 1: he scored shade in box them out right. And so
Speaker 1: you're just looking at some of those plays like they're
Speaker 1: they're winning on some of those different plays where they have,
Speaker 1: you know, a bigger lineup when they are small, because
Speaker 1: Miles could stretch constretched top and hit five threes. Right,
Speaker 1: you start out a little shaky, but he settled in.
Speaker 1: And I was watching them, I'm like, man, Indy, if
Speaker 1: they could settle into this game, slow down, because they
Speaker 1: played fast, you know, they they were still right in
Speaker 1: striking distance the whole time.
Speaker 2: They were the whole time having nineteen turnovers in the
Speaker 2: first half, which is insane. They were still only down
Speaker 2: ten points, and I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: they turned the ball over like this. They got forty
Speaker 2: seven points and they've created nineteen turnovers. That's not good.
Speaker 2: Like you, you're not capitalizing on none of that. I
Speaker 2: think they ended up with nine like they had nine.
Speaker 2: They had nine.
Speaker 5: They had nine points off those turnovers in the first half.
Speaker 2: And so it never it never really affected okay.
Speaker 5: See I mean Indiana the way it should have.
Speaker 2: And I think when I look at when I look
Speaker 2: at what they just did, Nie Smith ten points, Siakam
Speaker 2: nineteen points, Miles Served fifteen points, them are fourteen points,
Speaker 2: Holly Burdon fourteen, Obie Topping seventeen points.
Speaker 4: That game reminds me.
Speaker 2: Of Game one, twenty fifteen NBA Finals and Dot you
Speaker 2: are our leader scorer. You had twenty and all the
Speaker 2: rest of us seventeen nineteen seventeen, fourteen fifteen, Steph Ain't
Speaker 2: had a crazy game. Clay Ain't had a crazy game,
Speaker 2: and we won the game that way with set a
Speaker 2: tone for us in that series, you know, and they
Speaker 2: just did that and regardless of all the things that happen.
Speaker 2: And so you know when you when you speak on
Speaker 2: OKC taking their bigs out, my only thing with that
Speaker 2: would be they had an eight point lead when they
Speaker 2: took their big at the game, absolutely and like you're
Speaker 2: not gonna out three Indiana. That's not what Okay Steve
Speaker 2: ts like. So you know when I when I watched
Speaker 2: the end of that game, like, yes, players make plays,
Speaker 2: but you know, Sean and both me and Dot we
Speaker 2: had the pleasure of having when you get in that
Speaker 2: moment Steve coming through, and that's Steve is a magician
Speaker 2: in those moments.
Speaker 5: The bigger the moment, the better Steve gets.
Speaker 2: And you know this, Mark Diagno first first NBA Finals game,
Speaker 2: you're saying Rick Carlile first.
Speaker 4: Rodeo ric.
Speaker 2: And Rick Carlo made the subs that he needed to make.
Speaker 2: He pulled Miles Turner at three o seven and put
Speaker 2: over the top in it. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: he playing chess and Mark Dagno pulled his thigs out
Speaker 2: and thought that and went super small. And like to
Speaker 2: your point you said, when they small, they're still pretty big,
Speaker 2: bigger than Yeah, that strength, their strength is checked, their
Speaker 2: strength is Hartstein and you gotta roll with that. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna out there, You're gonna do them at what
Speaker 2: they do. And so.
Speaker 3: I agree, and you know, you know what mess mess
Speaker 3: and this one mess the Knicks up to your point,
Speaker 3: uh as dot is uh you get cross match. So
Speaker 3: when you cross match with Indiana, it creates crazy matchup problems.
Speaker 3: That's why the Knicks couldn't find no picking rolls when
Speaker 3: they had Karl Anthony Towns at the five. It's like you,
Speaker 3: they flying down the court now faster than you and
Speaker 3: the point guard is six seven. So now okay, see
Speaker 3: you playing small. But like you said, Indiana is a
Speaker 3: bigger team. And so when you're running back and you
Speaker 3: cross mess, now that's how you they didn't call the
Speaker 3: time out. You got Wallace or Halliburton, no lou Dort, right,
Speaker 3: and so they are the and credit to Rick Carlisle
Speaker 3: because you got to know when to make that sub
Speaker 3: to kind of throw the game off to kind of
Speaker 3: to throw it in your favor. Absolutely, and and and
Speaker 3: they're gonna they're going to win the small lineup because
Speaker 3: everybody on their team rebound. Pascal Siakim, he get garbage,
Speaker 3: dirty rebounds, put backs, Halliburn rebounds well from a point
Speaker 3: guard position. Me Smith, he flying over, He just flying everywhere, right,
Speaker 3: And so that that's that's the big difference is you
Speaker 3: can't match up with them and transition and set your defense.
Speaker 3: And that's how they that's how they came back.
Speaker 1: That's a great call out. And honestly, that's how they
Speaker 1: got those threes because across match and again.
Speaker 4: The power of the kick ahead.
Speaker 1: Right, it's like, either you got somebody that can get
Speaker 1: it off the glass and he can push it, and
Speaker 1: David's coming in.
Speaker 4: You remember Steve, like every time, get it out of house.
Speaker 3: Push.
Speaker 4: Now you got scrambling. Now we got to get matched up.
Speaker 1: Boom open three, right, or you got a big trying
Speaker 1: to run down to get a block.
Speaker 4: No, you're on a three point shooter.
Speaker 1: You need to boom now, be topping boom three miles
Speaker 1: turner three. So and I noticed it as well in
Speaker 1: the beginning. I don't know if you caught it, but okay,
Speaker 1: see did change their lineups to match up sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: there is you know, you can outsmart yourself trump match
Speaker 1: up with the other team instead of making them play
Speaker 1: your way right right, So it's gonna be interesting this
Speaker 1: chess match to see what they come back with in
Speaker 1: the starting lineup.
Speaker 3: You know what, go ahead, go ahead, because I was
Speaker 3: gonna ask you a question. My question is to that point,
Speaker 3: are the threes hurting you enough where you sticking to
Speaker 3: your big lineup? Did the threes hurt you enough? Because
Speaker 3: you still, like, like like Jay said, you still got
Speaker 3: an eight point lead with three minutes to get up,
Speaker 3: So is it really hurting you for you to make
Speaker 3: that adjustment when this is your bread and butter?
Speaker 1: And that's the NBD Again, those are the questions that
Speaker 1: coaches that can't sleep at night.
Speaker 4: That's that's you know.
Speaker 1: Back to the huddle because it's like, yo, man, like
Speaker 1: we had a lead, we were right there.
Speaker 4: What were the heirs that we made?
Speaker 1: Now we can end up making we can overadjust, right,
Speaker 1: we can overadjust and start trying to do things that
Speaker 1: are outside our comfort zone when you know, really maybe
Speaker 1: it was a you know it was a loose ball,
Speaker 1: it was an offensive rebound. We got to get this board.
Speaker 1: We have to win this possession. The ball is goal, right,
Speaker 1: they were winning the possession game. And then towards the
Speaker 1: end of the fourth you know again Indiana was making
Speaker 1: all of the right plays, and then you watch Caruso
Speaker 1: foul put the put Limhart at the line right off
Speaker 1: the clock. Little things like that where you have the lead,
Speaker 1: those are mental hers and Caruso is a champion, he's
Speaker 1: a vet again. But it's like those are the things
Speaker 1: that you inch closer. You inch closer. Now you give
Speaker 1: them a chance to win it at the buzzer when
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be in that position.
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Speaker 4: Ya.
Speaker 2: If you're Indiana, you didn't play well at all, I
Speaker 2: mean you played pretty bad.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't. This is the best way.
Speaker 2: To win a game one in an NBA Finals, in
Speaker 2: any playoff series, especially in the NBA Finals and vice versa.
Speaker 2: If OKC could have actually hung on, it would have
Speaker 2: been the best way they could win game one.
Speaker 5: And here's why Steve would always tell us this.
Speaker 2: Steve would always say, I'm happy we didn't blow that
Speaker 2: team out, because if you blow that team out, now
Speaker 2: you gotta face added steam when they come. When they
Speaker 2: come out in game two, they come and and naturally
Speaker 2: thing naturally you relax a little bit because you feel
Speaker 2: like we go. You know, if you blow that team out,
Speaker 2: Indiana didn't play well at all, they steal this game,
Speaker 2: and now they come back with a free swinging game two.
Speaker 5: That's that's a tough position.
Speaker 2: Like we saw, we saw the Knicks do this last
Speaker 2: series with Indiana. Now, all of a sudden, Indiana come
Speaker 2: out and Game two and they on fire, because we
Speaker 2: know they capable of that, Like we know they're capable
Speaker 2: of coming out in game two and being on fire.
Speaker 2: So now if that happens, now you're in trouble. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing where I'm not where I'm not happy
Speaker 2: with the substitution the change of the lineup is you
Speaker 2: made your adjustment before the series started. Like that's something
Speaker 2: you go to. You you go into game one, You
Speaker 2: roll with what you know, You roll with what you like.
Speaker 2: You you you rid with that. You don't make your
Speaker 2: your your series of jet you know, lay your trump down,
Speaker 2: your trump card before the series even start. So now
Speaker 2: your adjustment is to go back to like you you
Speaker 2: making an adjustment after game one that like you go
Speaker 2: two games with your star lineup before you like that was.
Speaker 4: Sixty eight games, sixty steps games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're scrambling to to you know, to to
Speaker 1: figure it out because you you've already made that adjustment
Speaker 1: and instead of maybe enforce your will first, right or
Speaker 1: see what see what the layer of the land is.
Speaker 1: You know, before you start showing the trump you know,
Speaker 1: before you start showing the different adjust you know what
Speaker 1: that says to me?
Speaker 3: That tells me says, yeah, your heels already already.
Speaker 2: But that's but even a step further than that, that
Speaker 2: tells me that that coaching style is not confident in
Speaker 2: how they've looked in these playoffs, because that means like
Speaker 2: something like in the end, ain't thinking about changing they
Speaker 2: starting line up because they are very comfortable with how
Speaker 2: they've gone through these playoffs. They was how they got
Speaker 2: four one four, one, four to two, right, Like, they
Speaker 2: feel very confident in what they're doing and how they
Speaker 2: got And what that says to me is Okay, see,
Speaker 2: don't really feel confident.
Speaker 5: And how they got here.
Speaker 2: And that's that's that's a very interesting thing to me
Speaker 2: just to watch.
Speaker 3: I don't know about it. I don't like that at all. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna draw a reference to We Believe
Speaker 3: because before this, before the series, Dallas changed their lineup
Speaker 3: and the whole thing was are they gonna stay big?
Speaker 3: Are they gonna go small? Like the whole conversation was
Speaker 3: what they're gonna do before the series even start to
Speaker 3: adjust what we're doing. And I think part of it
Speaker 3: is being overconfident because they start off and say, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go big, and then they immediately went small, right,
Speaker 3: and they got to plan our game and they can
Speaker 3: never get out of it. So when they tried to
Speaker 3: go big, like we had already figured that adjustment out.
Speaker 3: Then when you go small, we already got like that's
Speaker 3: our pace. And and back to Indiana, Indiana gonna win
Speaker 3: the small big lineup, the big big lineup. You already
Speaker 3: took yourself out because you're not weighing in on the
Speaker 3: positive of the park and saying you're not wearing in
Speaker 3: on the part of the positive of what chet is
Speaker 3: gonna bring you. And so when you get to that moment,
Speaker 3: I'm up eight. Okay, we're gonna spread the floor. And
Speaker 3: that's Ga gonna go to work. William's gonna go to work.
Speaker 3: The floor gonna be spread. But Indiana plays basketball like that.
Speaker 3: Can't see no finished games like that. You don't finish
Speaker 3: games like that, So you already off ballance. And I
Speaker 3: think it sometimes it can be overconfident to think that
Speaker 3: all right, like we can play we can play any style.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure you come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me ask you right like as if
Speaker 1: you see that you on the other side, you're Indiana
Speaker 1: and now you're seeing the matchups, does that give you
Speaker 1: confidence like, oh, they already adjusting to us, right Like
Speaker 1: when you went in Dallas made those adjects. Are you
Speaker 1: thinking like, hey, they can't. They're trying to play and
Speaker 1: catch us. So does that give you confidence as a
Speaker 1: player right coming out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you you you've you've figured out how to
Speaker 3: beat them right the way you play. So if you
Speaker 3: can play, you're you're more confidence saying if I can,
Speaker 3: if I can control the pace, if I can control
Speaker 3: the style, then they can't be us playing our style
Speaker 3: in our past. If we can stay with them or
Speaker 3: whatever they do, we prove that we you know, we
Speaker 3: can come back. If we can stay with what with them,
Speaker 3: then we got a chance to win it. So your
Speaker 3: confidence meter, it just go up, like you ain't even
Speaker 3: thinking about Indiana, not thinking about losing, yeah at all. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're not thinking about no. Like whatever adjustments that they're making,
Speaker 3: it's an adjustment to win, right, okayc is trying to
Speaker 3: figure out how to win.
Speaker 4: Right right, And they can play better too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thing can play better because I mean twenty turned
Speaker 1: overs in the first half like.
Speaker 3: That, that's not about like I.
Speaker 1: Was trash, Like that's that's terrible, you know, but to
Speaker 1: be in striking distance, I mean again, that's just confidence
Speaker 1: that we can come out and even even play better.
Speaker 3: So jay I was waiting for you to say and
Speaker 3: HALLI and then have a good gas Like I was
Speaker 3: waiting for you. I could. I could hear your voice
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, and he's like, man, they coming back,
Speaker 3: and Halliburn ain't even here. He ain't even visible in
Speaker 3: the gas. I can hear you saying that, no problem.
Speaker 2: When he don't have a good game. He usually don't
Speaker 2: have two battles in a row. If I had to guess,
Speaker 2: he gonna come out game two so damn aggressive. He
Speaker 2: gonna come firing, he gonna come out down hell like
Speaker 2: hally Burton is. Like Hally Burton is like Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2: Like the last thing you want Peyton Manny doing is
Speaker 2: playing with the league. Like Peyton Manning get to play
Speaker 2: with the league, and he get to dial up anything
Speaker 2: he wanted to dial up. Good luck, Like because you
Speaker 2: put him in these situations where he could run, he
Speaker 2: could pass, he could get to the line audible. Watch
Speaker 2: what you audible? Too audible again? You trying to audible?
Speaker 3: He gone.
Speaker 2: Like the last thing you want to do with pay
Speaker 2: money is put him in that position to just be
Speaker 2: free swinging and doing what he want to do. And
Speaker 2: that's not the position that Holly is in and he
Speaker 2: gonna come out fight, and it's.
Speaker 1: Just it's just then to see that he came out
Speaker 1: the first half. I think he took like five shots
Speaker 1: shaped like nineteen.
Speaker 2: Yes he did.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm thinking of myself in that first half, man,
Speaker 1: like one of them setting the tone for what this
Speaker 1: series is gonna look like, and then the other one
Speaker 1: is just trying to fill it out, right, And that's
Speaker 1: your flow. But to your point, BD, the way that
Speaker 1: they play all year and long, right, like sharing the basketball,
Speaker 1: trusting each other. There's something about the energy in that,
Speaker 1: you know, in that system to where when you can
Speaker 1: constantly sharing it, constantly sharing it, it's going to find you.
Speaker 1: And in those moments who they give it to, I'm
Speaker 1: hard to hit big shot shot like yeah, he's myth.
Speaker 3: They just know, they just and and I was I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, this is us is when he has
Speaker 3: the rock in his hand, he's you don't expect a turnover,
Speaker 3: you don't expect nothing bad. You're like, you figure you're
Speaker 3: gonna get a really good shot and the whole team
Speaker 3: knows that. So him had like like like Dre saying
Speaker 3: the pay money analogy is you know him with the
Speaker 3: lead is like he gets to start picking his poison,
Speaker 3: like how you want to serve up dishes and going
Speaker 3: back to the turnovers, he not turning the ball over
Speaker 3: down the stretch. He's solid. He's solid with that rock.
Speaker 3: He's solid with his decision making. And I think that's
Speaker 3: what Shaye needs to kind of pick up more for Okay, See,
Speaker 3: you gotta be more of a playmaker. You gotta be
Speaker 3: on your defensive. Bro. You can't just you can't just
Speaker 3: score the points on this team because they can all
Speaker 3: score points. Absolutely don't have to like make plays, but
Speaker 3: you don't have to make your big guys more valuable
Speaker 3: in this series in order for you.
Speaker 2: With SGA tell your point. He finished with thirty eight
Speaker 2: uh made fourteen minute range jumpers in game one. He's
Speaker 2: he leads the league of mid range jumpers shooting. He
Speaker 2: shoot the mid range at fifty uh. Obviously I watched
Speaker 2: you destroy guys with the MIDI get filed in every
Speaker 2: game once the game at least you getting filed on
Speaker 2: the MIDI. Yeah, you that ultimately it can still be
Speaker 2: as effective versus the threes in today's game.
Speaker 1: No, you need a diversity of play in today's game.
Speaker 1: And I say that because of just the way the
Speaker 1: game rules have changed, is m hmm. And then the
Speaker 1: way that we prioritize the analytics in today's game. So
Speaker 1: and so with that roster construction, you know will be
Speaker 1: built around you know, spacing the floor, taking the best shots,
Speaker 1: being more efficient. And you know, again we come from
Speaker 1: a different cloth, a little bit from from different eras
Speaker 1: of how we played inside out, right, and that train.
Speaker 4: Has left the station, fellas, and it's not come back.
Speaker 1: You know, I think until you know, I think you
Speaker 1: had your kids, you got embiid, you got guys that
Speaker 1: are dominant in the in the post. But again, these
Speaker 1: guys can shoot threes, right and and you know again
Speaker 1: they they can clay make out of the post. So
Speaker 1: you look at what s she A does. He had
Speaker 1: thirty eight. How many threes did he take? He took
Speaker 1: six threes as well, right, so you know he can
Speaker 1: also burn you off the dribble from the three. You
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta respect it. So now he can get
Speaker 1: you on his hip. And for a MIDI guy, that's
Speaker 1: that's where you want to, you know, on your hip,
Speaker 1: create space, get to your slot. And it was it
Speaker 1: was looking beautiful out there, But no, I think you
Speaker 1: definitely need more diversity in play because of how fast
Speaker 1: the game is now, and you got to keep the
Speaker 1: defense guessing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think you speak. You speak about
Speaker 2: getting a guy on your hip for the mini. I
Speaker 2: actually think if I'm guarding shape, I'm sending him left.
Speaker 2: I'm riding his right arm and I'm not recovering on
Speaker 2: the drive. So if he want to go to the
Speaker 2: rim every time and try to shoot a layup, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have my help come over late. And when I
Speaker 2: had to help come over late because shake him past
Speaker 2: the ball. But he not a passer like last second
Speaker 2: or all you come help last second, dish. He ain't
Speaker 2: passing it like that, like once he gets his minal
Speaker 2: score and going to the rim, he getting to the cover,
Speaker 2: and so I'll help late. And anytime he's start driving left,
Speaker 2: I'm not cutting him off. We used to do it
Speaker 2: the Jr. Smith Doc because he wanted to step back. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Shae's a totally different player than Jr. But and certain
Speaker 2: guys lou will where you don't cut him off because
Speaker 2: they looking in the stop and shoot, shoot the step
Speaker 2: back and Shade is like that, and if you get
Speaker 2: your body in front of him.
Speaker 5: He gonna showder you. And if he missed with that shoulder,
Speaker 5: he gonna forearm you and he get off.
Speaker 2: He get away with that, And so you can't get
Speaker 2: in front of him because you take your help of
Speaker 2: what out of the picture and he just shooting a
Speaker 2: wide open MIDI every time, I think you actually should
Speaker 2: ride the hip on him.
Speaker 4: When we played when we played.
Speaker 2: Boston in the finals a few years back, I noticed
Speaker 2: something and playing against them, and we put this rule
Speaker 2: in the series. I noticed that Jalen Brown could pass,
Speaker 2: but if you help early on him, he couldn't make
Speaker 2: the past like he wasn't at that time. He wasn't
Speaker 2: strong making the past if you help up early. So
Speaker 2: with him, we will help up as soon as he
Speaker 2: started driving, we will help up early.
Speaker 4: With JT.
Speaker 2: We know he would make the past early, so we
Speaker 2: helped late, like right at the rim, we helped on JT.
Speaker 2: And it gets that detailed at this point. And okay,
Speaker 2: and I think Indiana, that's something that they need to
Speaker 2: figure out, like do not get in front of Shade
Speaker 2: getting love, don't get in front of him, just ride
Speaker 2: the right arm and force him all the way to
Speaker 2: the rim. You got my Turner at the rim. You
Speaker 2: got times Ryan at the rim. You got over top
Speaker 2: of that the rim. Is he gonna hit enough layups
Speaker 2: to beat you. And another thing with those layups, when
Speaker 2: he go and take those tough layups, he fall down.
Speaker 2: Well guess what, Indiana, that's the advantage because they're getting
Speaker 2: out running.
Speaker 4: You get.
Speaker 3: Boom.
Speaker 5: He getting before you running.
Speaker 2: And so I think, you know when I look at
Speaker 2: when I look at that, and I hear you say
Speaker 2: like you want to get that guy on your hip
Speaker 2: dot Your jump shot was like this, So you man, you.
Speaker 3: Scared of that man?
Speaker 2: You get your shot up here and a guy get
Speaker 2: on your side. It really don't matter because your shot
Speaker 2: was way up here. Say up there like that, and
Speaker 2: so my guy ride is hip like that. It could
Speaker 2: bother him a little bit, I think, But.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, full that in. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, just real quick. He does like to
Speaker 1: get to that spot. I honestly think he likes to
Speaker 1: go left with the with the MIDI because it's right shoulder, right.
Speaker 4: To the spot.
Speaker 1: You know when you bring the hell now, you give
Speaker 1: him something to think about and as we know, so
Speaker 1: you're getting me back.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm in the foxhol again on the
Speaker 4: sweat a little bit. Uh.
Speaker 1: When you we know it's only a couple of guys
Speaker 1: that can make that type of pass, you know, on time,
Speaker 1: on target, because when you bring in the double, it's
Speaker 1: only a few guys one that they get double teamed offense,
Speaker 1: so they have to read it. They know it's coming,
Speaker 1: they know where to Outlet's but the Bronze, the Lucas,
Speaker 1: the guys that can really you know, make that drive
Speaker 1: and then hit the open man right because we know
Speaker 1: that we're doubling. The back line is already we already
Speaker 1: thinking okay, I'm in rotation at what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I'm thinking I'm ready to shoot out.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to feel So that's interesting because he does
Speaker 1: want to get to that baseline and he will pull up.
Speaker 4: But if you break the help now, what is what
Speaker 4: is his next move exactly? You know?
Speaker 3: Or or just to play Devil's advocate if you're the
Speaker 3: coach of OKAC, right to your play about the mini,
Speaker 3: It's hard to get to the mini because everybody's on
Speaker 3: the perimeter that we play your bigs and you get
Speaker 3: your big send down in the block, you're gonna have
Speaker 3: space to ice up. And so it creates a different
Speaker 3: dynamic because you got now you got a couple people
Speaker 3: below the free throw line in the ghost area. And
Speaker 3: now for for sga, he can operate in that elbow
Speaker 3: at fifteen sixteen foot because I say, for us now
Speaker 3: with the Warriors, which' all was so good at y'all
Speaker 3: will push the brake kick ahead to you and you
Speaker 3: already had the you already had ten feet. He was
Speaker 3: already at ten feet ulb one on one with action
Speaker 3: on the backside. And so for okay, see they kind
Speaker 3: of play these big dudes down the stretch because if
Speaker 3: you play five out, you play small. Shake can't get
Speaker 3: to is. He can't get to the mini. He gotta
Speaker 3: go all the way to the ole. You can't get
Speaker 3: to the mini because everybody is hovering around the perimeter.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's a good point. That's a good point. Last
Speaker 1: week just that up Drew. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember this. We played obviously the twenty sixteen and I
Speaker 1: hate the I hate talking about you know, twenty points
Speaker 1: in that game one because we lost, So who cares
Speaker 1: the series, but we lost twenty sixteen to Cleveland. We
Speaker 1: come twenty seventeen and you know, the Calves they're playing
Speaker 1: kind of the same way, but they're playing they're actually
Speaker 1: a better team. And I remember at the time we
Speaker 1: got KD and Kyrie the way that he plays, the
Speaker 1: way that he burnt us really in those that that
Speaker 1: Game five, Game seven, getting to his spots and if
Speaker 1: you watch, you know, being able to you know, like
Speaker 1: I mean, he comes from Kobe's school in that way footwork,
Speaker 1: spind fade right, like getting to spots. And I feel
Speaker 1: like I remember Steve talking about we were watching film
Speaker 1: and it's like, you guys that are at the nail,
Speaker 1: if you could get.
Speaker 4: In and can test from the behind, from the.
Speaker 1: Backs of the review contests, a rear view contest, and
Speaker 1: I remember Kay getting a couple of those drag into
Speaker 1: those and just so that's something to think about with Indiana, right,
Speaker 1: just those kind of.
Speaker 4: In those pockets.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's hard because you don't want
Speaker 1: to file and the guys and whatnot, but it's just
Speaker 1: something to think about. And to me, that's where Okay,
Speaker 1: see I'm watching them in the first half I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: these boys everywhere give rotating. If you turn your back,
Speaker 1: they own you. You know, they biting down, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And they got hands and so I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, that's just kind of the game within
Speaker 1: the game where you go back, you watch the film,
Speaker 1: you see how you can you know, how you can
Speaker 1: prove on those sucks.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Like in Indiana, I think they get the opportunity to
Speaker 2: watch this film too.
Speaker 5: I think they'll pick up on some of those little nuances,
Speaker 5: you know, and.
Speaker 2: That those little those little things like you make shape,
Speaker 2: think about an extra shot or two like this that
Speaker 2: can change in the entire game, which one game can
Speaker 2: change an entire series.
Speaker 5: So you have to pick up on those little nuances.
Speaker 3: As man, Okay see been drawn close similarities to the
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Golden State Warriors because won the
Speaker 3: playoff record, the offense, the defensive raigning average aged team
Speaker 3: in the regular season record. Sean j Uh, do you
Speaker 3: think this okt okay s team is similar to the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Warriors squad that
Speaker 3: chall was up where I think they're Where I think
Speaker 3: they're similar is.
Speaker 2: The age young guys, you know, with a few vets
Speaker 2: like Hardenstein, not Check and those guys age Sean Andre.
Speaker 2: They weren't our age, you know what I'm say, and
Speaker 2: so we kind of had that balance and Boged you know,
Speaker 2: d Lee, they they were little. Oh they're so Caruso
Speaker 2: has been there before, right, So like I think they
Speaker 2: got a few vets like we had, that kind of
Speaker 2: settles things down for them. And they got young guys
Speaker 2: Shay and you know JD just kind of out there
Speaker 2: run a while, doing their thing, relying on their talent
Speaker 2: and you know, obviously thinking the game, but not to
Speaker 2: the level of the Vets because they've just seen more,
Speaker 2: you know, and so the vets see more, they help
Speaker 2: you more, they see these things, they seeing these things developed,
Speaker 2: and so I think they are in that aspect obviously.
Speaker 3: I've seen the playoff record very similar.
Speaker 2: Offensive rated and I think, you know, we we were
Speaker 2: number one, they're like three.
Speaker 5: Defensive rating were both number one. I saw those things.
Speaker 2: The end of season record, I think they're sixty eight
Speaker 2: with sixty seven, and so I see all of that stuff,
Speaker 2: and I see a young team that's gone through their lumps,
Speaker 2: like they lost in the second round last year, and
Speaker 2: which what seems now to be poised to take that
Speaker 2: final step.
Speaker 3: I can see those similarities.
Speaker 2: But the style of play couldn't be further from the same.
Speaker 2: I think it's a completely different style of play. All
Speaker 2: of the things I see for sure, and I you know, uh,
Speaker 2: that can be great. You gotta you gotta close it out.
Speaker 2: You gotta finish the deal in order for those comparisons
Speaker 2: to really mean something. If you don't finish the deal,
Speaker 2: those comparisons don't mean anything. But the style of the
Speaker 2: styles of play is what I would say is drastic and.
Speaker 3: Different similarities, similarities, similarities.
Speaker 4: It's definitely it's definitely similar. I mean, he nailed all
Speaker 4: the points. I mean, we you know, he really nailed it.
Speaker 1: Like listen, they were the best by far this season,
Speaker 1: by far, and honestly watching them too, they did not
Speaker 1: take games off.
Speaker 4: Oh, Like that was one thing.
Speaker 1: If they were supposed to be a team that was
Speaker 1: that they were a lot better than They beat the
Speaker 1: dog shit out of that team, right right, And so
Speaker 1: the habits that they were building, that's what I watched
Speaker 1: and I see I'm like, okay, you know the steps.
Speaker 1: I think when I came to this team twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: I had come from playing with Kevin Garnet, Paul Pierce,
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson, Darren Williams. These guys were kind of already
Speaker 1: cemented in their careers, former champions, veterans. They had a
Speaker 1: mindset about winning where they expected to win. When I
Speaker 1: came to Golden State, they had already tasted winning, and
Speaker 1: I felt like they wanted to win.
Speaker 4: And I had never been further further than the semi
Speaker 4: conference finals. Dre might have been to the conference finals,
Speaker 4: but none of us had been to the finals, similar
Speaker 4: to this team with okay see, So watching some of
Speaker 4: you know again, I was interested to see who is
Speaker 4: gonna settle into this game tonight and then where you know,
Speaker 4: the light's gonna be too big?
Speaker 1: You know, which team is the light's gonna be too
Speaker 1: break for. But watching okay see towards the end, it
Speaker 1: does remind me a little bit of our first year
Speaker 1: going you know, when when Kyrie and Kevin Love went
Speaker 1: down and they went up to one right and it's
Speaker 1: like we're not you know, like again, they should they
Speaker 1: probably should have won this game, okay, and and and
Speaker 1: so watching them, watching the Pacers come back, you start
Speaker 1: to see a little bit of that experience, you know,
Speaker 1: even maybe on the coaching side and not the not
Speaker 1: the shots. But again, this is new, this is the
Speaker 1: and this is now you filling it out and you
Speaker 1: you can only get this by going through it right.
Speaker 1: So that part absolutely so like that part now, you know,
Speaker 1: reminds me. And those are the similarities to where Okay,
Speaker 1: now we got to figure it out. Now, we got
Speaker 1: to figure out how to win right like we you know,
Speaker 1: in these moments too when it matters. And I think
Speaker 1: watching them, they have all the ingredients. Obviously you know
Speaker 1: they're they're the favorites. But like you said, you got
Speaker 1: to walk the walk now, and it's one thing to
Speaker 1: do it. And just last point on that, when we
Speaker 1: came in again, none of us had any experience. Bron
Speaker 1: Broun went to the finals, what six seven years in
Speaker 1: a row, and also.
Speaker 2: Fifteen he went and eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, then fifteen thousands,
Speaker 2: fifth year in a row.
Speaker 4: Fifth year in a row.
Speaker 1: And I just remember I'm coming off the bench, so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch the flow of the game. I'm
Speaker 1: watching everybody's energy and I'm just seeing just the difference
Speaker 1: in how he you know, how he's approaching Orchestrating's just
Speaker 1: the calmness, the coise, right, and it's contagious. It kind
Speaker 1: of trickles down, if you will. And I think we
Speaker 1: were searching for that, right because I mean it's Steph
Speaker 1: first time, it's Clay first time. They what twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty seven, you know, like, so nobody had that experience.
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, again.
Speaker 1: This is this is character building for Oka see, So
Speaker 1: we'll see what they do with it.
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Speaker 2: You just mentioned Okay see being in the face ever
Speaker 2: to win. Do you think people are underestimating how good
Speaker 2: of a coach Rick Carlole is. You know, he he
Speaker 2: obviously coached Dallas, which we just spoke on bron who
Speaker 2: beat Miami, upset Miami and the NBA Finals. Do you
Speaker 2: think people are looking past that and not that Mark
Speaker 2: dad knows a great I think Mark dad knows a
Speaker 2: great coach.
Speaker 5: But there's always something to say for the guy that's
Speaker 5: been there.
Speaker 2: And here's what I will say, Rick Carlisle is coaching
Speaker 2: for every coach that has won a championship.
Speaker 5: Because I'm gonna let y'all hit on a little secret, folks.
Speaker 2: None of the coaches that has won a championship want
Speaker 2: to have new coaches enter into that that fraternity. They
Speaker 2: like to keep that small. You know, maybe they don't
Speaker 2: win it, but maybe a guy who's won it is
Speaker 2: won it. They don't like new, new, new applicants, new
Speaker 2: entries and to that and to that fraternity. So Rick
Speaker 2: Carlisle understand, Rico was coaching for every coach that has
Speaker 2: won a championship right now. But do y'all think people
Speaker 2: are underestimating his experience and what he's been through in
Speaker 2: these different playoff situations?
Speaker 4: Shit, I know more.
Speaker 3: You can't, man, if you don't you know, if you
Speaker 3: don't think Rick Carlisle is a great coach for me,
Speaker 3: Look what he did with Indiana. He took them to
Speaker 3: the finals. You know, look what he did with Dallas
Speaker 3: in that run, right, you know, like reconstructed like a
Speaker 3: reconstructed Dallas team, a older team like Rick Carlisle coach man,
Speaker 3: Rick Carlole been in the game. He know a game,
Speaker 3: he love a game, and you can see he's not
Speaker 3: afraid to make adjustments. There's a confidence that I think
Speaker 3: you know, Dre. We talked about it, uh when we
Speaker 3: was in New York in the next series. There was
Speaker 3: just a confidence of man, what is he doing? Why
Speaker 3: is this person? Why? And and it just worked. He
Speaker 3: plays ten, he may play eleven. He has so much
Speaker 3: confidence and his players have so much freedom that they
Speaker 3: over index Obi topping the night five threes? Right, is
Speaker 3: it a genius move? It's the move he may right,
Speaker 3: And he's not afraid to make those moves. And I
Speaker 3: think everything he does is calculated and has and and
Speaker 3: being in that moment. He has scripts that he can
Speaker 3: pull from. Right, he has an old playbook that he
Speaker 3: can pull from and say maybe this will work as
Speaker 3: opposed to okac where hey, we had this in the
Speaker 3: playbook and we had this before the game. If this happens,
Speaker 3: we can go small. But he still win this game.
Speaker 2: Right now, That's the fact I think when I when
Speaker 2: I look at this, this Indiana team where Rick Carlo
Speaker 2: dot spoke about our first time doing it, like and
Speaker 2: how none of us had done it, and he spoke
Speaker 2: on the levels that we had played on the one
Speaker 2: person that had been through it out of all of
Speaker 2: us with Steve Kerr, and he was the one that
Speaker 2: was kind of telling us, hey, fellas, this is going
Speaker 2: to be a little different on this day. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to practice at the arena. We don't really practice
Speaker 2: at the arenas. That's going to be different. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know when we got when you go out to shoot,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a million people around the court.
Speaker 5: Like it's just kind of throws off your routine a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 2: You had to you will have the hunch to start
Speaker 2: going to talk to people, you know, stay locked into
Speaker 2: your routine. You know, there was uh what was we
Speaker 2: oh the opening practice the day before where the media
Speaker 2: come into your practice. Like he's he's kind of telling
Speaker 2: us all these things, preparing us for this moment. Whereas
Speaker 2: I don't know if Okac has it an Alex Caruso,
Speaker 2: but having that in a coach like it's extremely calm.
Speaker 2: Me Like Steve would just be like, all right, we're cool. Like,
Speaker 2: oh that happened, all right, no problem, Like, we'll do
Speaker 2: this now. And the confidence he would have trickle down
Speaker 2: to us, you know what I'm saying. And so they
Speaker 2: got Rick Carlile, who I can see is doing that.
Speaker 5: He's cool.
Speaker 2: It's other side of the pillow. Sam's obviously doing it,
Speaker 2: you know. And and and that team is feeding off that,
Speaker 2: and I think that's a that's a dangerous thing to have.
Speaker 2: And the experience that Rick Carlile can pull from in
Speaker 2: that playoff run along, he went through the Lakers with Kobe,
Speaker 2: he went through kat Russ, James harden k and then
Speaker 2: they played Bron Wade and Bosh And in all of
Speaker 2: those series they were combined twelve and three.
Speaker 5: Like, like, Rick Carlile.
Speaker 2: Know what he doing and he showed that with some
Speaker 2: of the chess moves he made tonight. And I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to watching that matchup amongst the two coaches, the
Speaker 2: chess moves that they've made throughout the course of the series.
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Absolutely And and and don't forget I mean I'm taking
Speaker 1: away back now, but this man was with Indiana when
Speaker 1: Mary Bird took the places to the finals, yes, that
Speaker 1: was I mean we talked two thousand, but again, just
Speaker 1: that experience is invaluable and and hitting on that with Steve,
Speaker 1: It's like there's nothing like going through it and then
Speaker 1: having someone give you kind of the blueprint or snapshot
Speaker 1: of what to expect, you know, from a from a
Speaker 1: leadership standpoint.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like Carlisle was in Detroit too,
Speaker 3: wasn't he in Detroit when they made.
Speaker 2: Conference finals? They went to a couple of conference finals
Speaker 2: with in Detroit. Just let him going Brough Larry Bird
Speaker 2: And I mean, right, that's yes, I remember, Yes, So
Speaker 2: he season though. That's the thing is, you know.
Speaker 3: He has Yeah, he got he got a lot to
Speaker 3: draw from or he got a lot to draw from.
Speaker 3: And I like watching him coach because he make in
Speaker 3: game adjustments and he's not afraid to make those adjustments
Speaker 3: to switch those adjustments up because a lot of times
Speaker 3: coaches don't have counters for counters, yeah right, they have scripts,
Speaker 3: and they have game plans, and they go off their script.
Speaker 3: They go off their game plan, and sometimes you don't
Speaker 3: have a feel for the actual game or not paying
Speaker 3: attention to the actual game if it's not going to
Speaker 3: your plan. And Rick Carlisle was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: hold on, this is not going to our plan. Let's
Speaker 3: switch it up and see if we can find tempo.
Speaker 3: We can control tempo and give ourselves a chance. Maybe
Speaker 3: we can shoot more threes or pick up the pace.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: You gotta have a coach like that, especially in the finals.
Speaker 3: And Steve Carr does that too. He did that a lot.
Speaker 3: I watch y'all make adjustments. I watch y'all make a
Speaker 3: lineup change. Not so much lineup changes, but matchup changes.
Speaker 3: Start working through other people, working through other matchups, just
Speaker 3: to get the Steph Clay Katie back in script right,
Speaker 3: just to get the three points hitting again. And so
Speaker 3: you have to have these counters and counters for the
Speaker 3: counter to be able to keep your flowing. And it's
Speaker 3: just hard to bet against Rick Carlisle because he battle tested.
Speaker 1: If there's something that's to say too about being poised,
Speaker 1: and I don't you know again, I think this is
Speaker 1: very underrated from just a human component, you and that
Speaker 1: head coach and see in the finals it's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure. But again this is what that experience comes into.
Speaker 1: Empower and stay with the guy when he messing up,
Speaker 1: when the Pacers came out again, they would turn the
Speaker 1: ball over and I seen it was a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that was a little shaky, you know, and again
Speaker 1: just just throwing the ball around and that's okay, it happens,
Speaker 1: but just hearing him from the side and one, hey, sorry,
Speaker 1: next play mentality. It gets you out of your own
Speaker 1: head right to where now, okay, I'm in the game.
Speaker 1: And some of those guys you see like they're in
Speaker 1: the game in the fourth quarter making big shots now
Speaker 1: right because they didn't let the first quarter, the first
Speaker 1: half dictate how they finished the game. And a lot
Speaker 1: of that is coaching and your coach pulling you when
Speaker 1: you throw it away right away, you know, telling you
Speaker 1: next next shot mentality you are you know, next play,
Speaker 1: come on, fellas, we got it. And those are the
Speaker 1: little things in that environment. And we all play with
Speaker 1: all three of us. You know, we played in okay, see,
Speaker 1: we know how loud that arena is, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pressure in the finals, everybody watching. You
Speaker 1: want to perform, your whole family watching, You want to
Speaker 1: put on for your city, put on for your family,
Speaker 1: every all all of.
Speaker 4: That, but you gotta just It's still basketball.
Speaker 2: That's that's a fact. And also not to be uh,
Speaker 2: not to be forgotten. Rick Carlo also won a championship
Speaker 2: as an NBA player, So so you know, here a
Speaker 2: champion through and through and he's showing that. Boys. But
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Speaker 2: A little bit conversation has been going around the league
Speaker 2: about big name players like uh and uh, like does
Speaker 2: that player to market? No? Does the player need to
Speaker 2: go to the market to become a superstar? Guys like
Speaker 2: Shack say a bigger market doesn't matter. However, Stephen A
Speaker 2: believes that market size doesn't matter to only transcend the
Speaker 2: players like Shaq. Do y'all think market size matters when
Speaker 2: it comes to be becoming the face of the NBA.
Speaker 3: Championships matter? I mean it's hard to say. I mean
Speaker 3: it's really hard to say. I think the face of
Speaker 3: the league is.
Speaker 4: Swag.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2: I don't think it matters of being in the market,
Speaker 2: being in the big market and becoming a face in
Speaker 2: the NBA. I'll tell you why. I know for sure
Speaker 2: it don't matter because Lebron James became the face of
Speaker 2: the NBA Cleveland, Ohio, and that's not a big market
Speaker 2: by any stretch of imagination. Different, So I think you
Speaker 2: have to be that great and and I think I
Speaker 2: think what more so this brings up is because stephen
Speaker 2: They was saying, like the pressure you get and when
Speaker 2: you're playing in New York or the pressure you get
Speaker 2: when you're playing in LA I want to tell you
Speaker 2: the same pressure those guys get when they're playing in
Speaker 2: those cities. Lebron James got that pressure in Cleveland. In Cleveland,
Speaker 2: if he didn't win, like there's noise, there's this he
Speaker 2: can't do it no more. Steph Curry get that same
Speaker 2: pressure in San Francisco, California.
Speaker 5: But if you don't win, it's a failure. Can they
Speaker 5: still do it?
Speaker 2: It's the dynasty over When you are that great, the
Speaker 2: greatness creates the pressure every year, You're honest, you know,
Speaker 2: you're honest, be having these these press conferences at the
Speaker 2: end of the year. They'd be so for philosophical you know,
Speaker 2: and be getting deep into press conferences. But it be
Speaker 2: because people are asking questions like, man, why you ain't winning?
Speaker 2: You know, like that those guys are under pressure no
Speaker 2: matter where they are. Is now is the media from
Speaker 2: the media standpoint? Are they going to talk a little more?
Speaker 2: Of course, The New York Post is going to get
Speaker 2: more eyes, you know, the New York Times, like when
Speaker 2: you're in markets like that, when you're in LA like yes,
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Times and like different, like those things
Speaker 2: are bigger so I'm not saying the thing don't get bigger.
Speaker 5: But Lebron James was Lebron James without.
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, like and and Gianni's becass become Jiannis and Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: like Joker has become Joker in Denver, Colorado. Luka Doncas
Speaker 2: didn't become this Luca Doncis when he went to La
Speaker 2: Luca Doncis became that in Dallas.
Speaker 3: Why did Lebron go to the Lakers? I ain't gonna
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 2: Because I'm I think that's much bigger than just going
Speaker 2: to the Lakers, right right, That that's a chest that
Speaker 2: you're making about the game of life. That's that's way
Speaker 2: bigger than just going to play basketball somewhere. So I
Speaker 2: don't think I disagree like I think Yannest. What the
Speaker 2: I think what this brings up is is how many
Speaker 2: true superstars are there? Because Joannest is actually a true superstar. Well,
Speaker 2: the Yani is in New Yorker, Yannic is in Milwaukee, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they may have more a few more national TV games
Speaker 2: because he's in New York City, but Jannis is going
Speaker 2: to be honest, no matter where the hell are you.
Speaker 4: At, right Well, I agree with that. I agree, I agree, No,
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I think your question is do you have to go
Speaker 1: to a big market to be the face of the NBA.
Speaker 1: I say no, but there. But to elaborate on where
Speaker 1: you were going with pressure, I think we all understand
Speaker 1: there are more pressure there there. You know, you have
Speaker 1: more pressure in those bigger markets. And I can see
Speaker 1: why stephen A says that because you are the media, right,
Speaker 1: so you know, and you we know what the media
Speaker 1: is like in La New York, you know, Boston and Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there there is cutthroat, right. They've seen Mike, they seen Magic, right,
Speaker 1: they've seen bird like so yes, and you will you
Speaker 1: will constantly be compared to some of those great players.
Speaker 1: But to be the face of the NBA. No, it
Speaker 1: matters what you do on the floor. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, if you win, they will period, they
Speaker 1: will come. And that's the point with Giannis, right, like
Speaker 1: he's been able to establish himself consistently. Every night he
Speaker 1: goes out, he performs at a high level, and he
Speaker 1: gives what he gives and he separates himself right from
Speaker 1: kind of the rest maybe from you know all from
Speaker 1: the rest of the all stars, you know, to being
Speaker 1: a star. So it's still about production. It's still when
Speaker 1: it's still winning, and it's still about that at the
Speaker 1: highest moments, like you know, to do it on the stage, right,
Speaker 1: like when when it really matters. Can you put your
Speaker 1: team in a position to win because of you?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Can you carry your team right? Because it's we we
Speaker 1: all know that you're the guy. And so I think again,
Speaker 1: those those to me are the true superstars. And I
Speaker 1: don't think whether it's Memphis, whether it's you know a
Speaker 1: BD you said, swag appeal matters right because media and
Speaker 1: the social media, the culture right story. Yeah, absolutely, the narrative,
Speaker 1: so that matters too, But it still comes down to
Speaker 1: production in my eyes.
Speaker 2: But check this, check this out, b D and DOT.
Speaker 2: I think back in the day, the media in New
Speaker 2: York and LA was different back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but today we all under that same scrutiny, like you're
Speaker 2: gonna first tain't want to come on in the morning.
Speaker 5: Steven ain't gonna be on there crushing you.
Speaker 2: Kendrick Perker is going to be on there crushing you
Speaker 2: if you are one of the guys like that, that's
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do. And so yes, it used to
Speaker 2: be like man in New York, the media they would
Speaker 2: crush you and La the media they would crush you.
Speaker 2: But that was before the media culture of what it
Speaker 2: is became what it is today. And I think now
Speaker 2: like most guys are under that same scrutiny, like no
Speaker 2: matter to market you in if you are a star,
Speaker 2: like you under that same scrutiny, I end up getting
Speaker 2: discussed on on first Tape all the time, regardless of
Speaker 2: what it's about. They're discussing me on that show quite
Speaker 2: a bit. And I'm not in New York, I'm not
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, and by all accounts, I'm not a superstar.
Speaker 2: But yet I'm always being discussed on that show. So
Speaker 2: I don't think that necessarily backs up, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I think it's the teams that matter. I think it's
Speaker 2: the guys that matter, Like and how do you make
Speaker 2: a team matter? The Golden State Warriors never matter? We
Speaker 2: made that team matter, like, and so they're always discussing
Speaker 2: the Warriors Now, I think you have to make those
Speaker 2: things matter. I don't think it's the city anymore, like
Speaker 2: because media is nation wide now like it's it's worldwide,
Speaker 2: like this is a basketball is a global game, Like
Speaker 2: there's someone in and and and Serbia talking about the games,
Speaker 2: and so I don't think it's specific to only certain markets.
Speaker 2: I think it's specific to certain teams and certain guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they put they put this era, they put Miss
Speaker 3: Dugs on Sports Center.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the highlights. Yeah, you know, like like.
Speaker 3: So that goes to show you, like you got miss
Speaker 3: Dunks making Sports Center where we used to have to
Speaker 3: you know, you gotta dunk on somebody, do something, be something.
Speaker 3: But I think for Yanni's what it is is it's
Speaker 3: also like he's tasted gold, right, and for let's say
Speaker 3: the three years that Milwaukee was number one and couldn't
Speaker 3: do it, he had a story, a journey, it was
Speaker 3: a hero's journey. When he won his title, it was like, damn, boy,
Speaker 3: do that man deserve that? Boy? Do that man? Like
Speaker 3: has he reached a whole nother echelon and level right
Speaker 3: of legacy that he's carving out for self in the NBA?
Speaker 3: And then the next year and the next year, you're
Speaker 3: not getting close. You're getting further and further away from
Speaker 3: that championship. So I think for for Giannis, it's really
Speaker 3: they're they're not a contender, They're not really contended. And
Speaker 3: so for him being a Finals MVP, the Finals MVP
Speaker 3: like being able to taste that like he had a
Speaker 3: he had a great run, back to back MVPs. Everybody
Speaker 3: was talking about Milwaukee. Milwaukee was the talk of town.
Speaker 3: But when you're not winning, you're not winning then, and
Speaker 3: you in these small markets, it's hard to be staying
Speaker 3: in Discovery like it's it's hard to be a face
Speaker 3: to the league. But to your point, Dan, everybody got media,
Speaker 3: it's just now it's like, for be honest, he gotta
Speaker 3: he gotta be on a winning team.
Speaker 2: Does New York City or Los Angeles though life doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be there because that's kind of what they
Speaker 2: were getting in.
Speaker 3: No, he just gotta be on the team that wins. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he just got to be on the team that wins, right,
Speaker 3: Because I mean, you can say playing in New York
Speaker 3: gonna make you a bigger star, gonna get you more endorsements,
Speaker 3: you gonna have more ship to do. But if you
Speaker 3: not win it and you are a superstar at Gannis level,
Speaker 3: it don't matter where you go. You go to Lakers,
Speaker 3: you go to New York. If you don't win and
Speaker 3: you do the same thing you did in Milwaukee, it's
Speaker 3: ten times worse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Because of what he's accomplished too, because who you know,
Speaker 1: we know who he.
Speaker 4: Is at this stage in his career, right, like what
Speaker 4: he's capable of.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't mind what's happening with Okay, see,
Speaker 1: I don't mind what's happening with Indiana in this matchup.
Speaker 4: And again, the best.
Speaker 1: Team you know, Shaye was in l A right and
Speaker 1: to go through the rebuild now he was young.
Speaker 5: He also was with the Lakers. That's the different.
Speaker 2: I know you job Bott the Clippers. I know you
Speaker 2: got a soft spot, but that's it's just a little different, BD,
Speaker 2: b D. I know y'all got the Clippers, but you know, BD,
Speaker 2: you from l A. Y'all know it's a little.
Speaker 3: Lebron go to the Lakers. I'm just saying he was
Speaker 3: already a superstar.
Speaker 2: Of course he was Lebron.
Speaker 3: If he was already the face to the league.
Speaker 2: You're not to go to LA because that's crazy. You're
Speaker 2: gonna act like in two thousand and seven when we
Speaker 2: was playing in the NBA Finals over and over and
Speaker 2: over again, Lebron wasn't Lebron You're gonna really act like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm agreeing with you, Bro, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Saying, why did he have to go to LA because
Speaker 2: it was about more than basketball?
Speaker 3: Okay? So you know, I think so he still needed
Speaker 3: he felt like he needed a bigger platform.
Speaker 2: I think that's about more than basketball. That's also also
Speaker 2: at that point, he's in what year sixteen? He who
Speaker 2: wants to live in Cleveland? I love my folks in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: but I want to live in Los Angeles. Is great
Speaker 2: living in Los Angeles? So that I mean, so relate.
Speaker 2: I relate that to Gianni's For me, that ain't got
Speaker 2: nothing to do with me. The biggest news outside of
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, it's obviously Tom Timberdeau being fired after
Speaker 2: leading the Knicks to their first Eastern Conference finals in
Speaker 2: twenty five years. What was your reaction, both y'all reaction
Speaker 2: to the next letting them go? I've been lucky enough
Speaker 2: to have two coaches in my career, have y'all, And honestly,
Speaker 2: I will say for myself, I was shocked as hell
Speaker 2: when when when Mark got fired because we had just
Speaker 2: went to two playoff a pair instance, back to back
Speaker 2: years and the Warriors hadn't seen that type of success.
Speaker 3: So I was shot by that.
Speaker 2: But in saying that, y'all have probably experienced a little
Speaker 2: bit more than I have. What's it like when you
Speaker 2: feel like a coach should or shouldn't be fired? And
Speaker 2: do you think it was right that time too was fired?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I go first because I played probably on more losing
Speaker 1: teams than y'all two, So I've seen more coaches get
Speaker 1: It's tough, man, man.
Speaker 2: You you got three championships they played on.
Speaker 4: We believe. Come on, I'm talking with some else.
Speaker 3: Wake up lucky, you know what I mean. Some people
Speaker 3: wake up lucky, you know what I mean? So some
Speaker 3: people wake up lucky is shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Some people wake up in the fucking uh you know,
Speaker 3: in the nice seater side, not so like yeah, in
Speaker 3: the clinic, bro, you know what I mean. And you
Speaker 3: gotta you know the same baby, right right, it's a
Speaker 3: certain babies just handled with care.
Speaker 4: Hey man, it'd be like that. It's like that.
Speaker 1: I'm looking I'm looking at the situation with the Knicks
Speaker 1: in New York. I'm like, he's taking you to the playoffs, right,
Speaker 1: he one, he was a coach of the year.
Speaker 4: That obviously doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 1: We see, you know, guys that get fired the next
Speaker 1: year after being coach of the year. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: after what they've been through, probably since I've been in
Speaker 1: the league, they haven't really been relevant, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as really believing that they can have a chance
Speaker 1: to win a championship.
Speaker 4: I think this is the closest that they have been.
Speaker 1: And I think you attribute that to Tom Thibodeau, right,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Jalen Brunson, you get him.
Speaker 4: I think he goes to the Knicks because of Tom Thibodeaux.
Speaker 1: And I look at these teams and I played for
Speaker 1: coaches in similar fashion that because of the way they coach,
Speaker 1: they will turn a team around. Tom Thibodeau is known
Speaker 1: in Chicago, when he was in New York, Minnesota like
Speaker 1: of turning a team around, and they play playoff basketball
Speaker 1: in the regular season.
Speaker 4: And that's because of the habits and how he coaches.
Speaker 1: You know, his teams like they practice, right, like we
Speaker 1: all know that, you know, like he practiced, you know
Speaker 1: pretty much probably you know, I'm not gonna say every day,
Speaker 1: but this man, like you know, again, he's from the
Speaker 1: old school, so in that he doesn't He's not really
Speaker 1: a coach that's gonna make a lot of adjustments. He's
Speaker 1: probably a coach that's gonna make you play his style
Speaker 1: and his brand of basketball.
Speaker 4: Right now, does that.
Speaker 1: Lead to right maybe you know, the organization thinking that
Speaker 1: he should do things differently. Can you know, can you
Speaker 1: not be on the same page with the organization, because
Speaker 1: now you know, like, are you you know, is he
Speaker 1: too stubborn in his ways?
Speaker 4: Right with with some of the ways that he operates.
Speaker 1: Those are the questions, you know, like over the course
Speaker 1: of each you know, each each organization he's at, they're
Speaker 1: they're get they're they're getting to the conference finals, they're
Speaker 1: winning fifty plus games every season. You know, these teams
Speaker 1: have been successful under his watch. And again, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you overcorrect. I think you look at the Phoenix
Speaker 1: Suns when they had Nash and those guys, and they
Speaker 1: kept getting to the conference finals and the conference finals.
Speaker 1: And now you go and you trade for Shaq, and
Speaker 1: you go and you do all these different things and
Speaker 1: try to switch up and you're right there.
Speaker 4: And sometimes, you know, sometimes it takes a little knock.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm not like ball needs about like, look at
Speaker 1: the shot haller Berg hit the first game, But of
Speaker 1: that series, if he doesn't hit that shot against the Knicks, right,
Speaker 1: is it a different series. Like so all those little
Speaker 1: things that you question, you say, Okay, well it's the coach.
Speaker 1: And that's the hard part about the NBA because the
Speaker 1: gavelwell fall on the head coach. He's the first to go,
Speaker 1: we know that. And now who do you bring in
Speaker 1: to say this person, whoever they are, we expect them
Speaker 1: to take us, not to the conference finals, to the finals.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the expectation that you're setting
Speaker 1: as an organization by firing Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 3: Right now, yeah, I would say you will. There always
Speaker 3: regrets when Thibodeau leaves, because you need there's a there's
Speaker 3: a huge part of him in his DNA that got
Speaker 3: you to that, right. But at the same time, there's
Speaker 3: also maybe a personality like there's a team personality disorder
Speaker 3: or a dysfunction that as you continue to go, you
Speaker 3: start to see like, oh, like they just play hard
Speaker 3: and they're talented, right, and you start realizing that in
Speaker 3: order to get over that next hump, you gotta have
Speaker 3: that Thibodeau personality in that DNA, but you also got
Speaker 3: to have somebody who is paying attention to the game.
Speaker 3: And when I when we watch the Knicks, you know
Speaker 3: the reason why I'm looking at it. And I said,
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the season, Dane, you can't play
Speaker 3: seven guys the whole year. And so at some point,
Speaker 3: you know, this is year five for TIBs og Anobi,
Speaker 3: Michel Bridges, Josh Hart, playing all of them goddamn minutes
Speaker 3: next year are they gonna be hurt? Cat? And so
Speaker 3: you run the risks of I mean, it's just a
Speaker 3: fine line because like you run the risk of, like damn,
Speaker 3: we was right there, Tims got us right there. We
Speaker 3: bring a new voice in maybe he a little bit
Speaker 3: ling it, but maybe that ain't what they need. You
Speaker 3: feel what I'm saying. We talk about the Knicks next tape,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe that ain't what they need, or maybe
Speaker 3: they're one or two players away. I remember when Houston
Speaker 3: let go Trevor Resa, and you know, people didn't pay
Speaker 3: much of time to it, But to me, I said,
Speaker 3: Houston is not going to be the same because sometimes
Speaker 3: it's the dude in the locker role, right, that hold
Speaker 3: everybody down.
Speaker 2: That's the fact. Now, that's the fact. I agree one
Speaker 2: thousand percent.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: I think what just happened to TIBs is this, and
Speaker 2: you see it quite a bit in the NBA these
Speaker 2: days due to and in part two, I think the
Speaker 2: success that we had and on that run with Cleveland
Speaker 2: and the dominance that was going to the NBA at
Speaker 2: that time, every all the conversations nowadays that your championship, championship, championship,
Speaker 2: and in turn, people try to ignore the process in
Speaker 2: getting to a championship.
Speaker 5: That shit is hard and it takes time, and the
Speaker 5: timement is different from me and people.
Speaker 2: Now, if you're firing TIBs, if you're firing Tips because
Speaker 2: you just think ought like.
Speaker 3: He ain't the guy to get us there, that's one thing.
Speaker 2: But if you're blaming him for not winning a championship
Speaker 2: with this team, that's not the right thing, because that's
Speaker 2: not a championship. Ross. I don't believe that the New
Speaker 2: York Knicks as currently constructed today, I don't think that
Speaker 2: that team can win a championship. I don't give a
Speaker 2: damn how many players team to play all year. I
Speaker 2: don't think that team can win a championship. I think
Speaker 2: what Tom Tiberdeau did and getting that team to their
Speaker 2: first conference finals in twenty five years, I think that
Speaker 2: steps in the right direction to move it towards the
Speaker 2: right direction. I think that's a step in the right direction.
Speaker 2: That's say, hey, front office, we may be to bet
Speaker 2: the's point a guy or two away and really making
Speaker 2: this thing go and like really getting over that hump.
Speaker 2: Me personally, I don't think the guyer too is some
Speaker 2: small guy. I think they need like like one of
Speaker 2: the more. I personally think like that team needs that.
Speaker 2: And so no, I don't. I don't agree that Tim
Speaker 2: should have been fired based off of this team not
Speaker 2: winning a championship as if they were championship or bus
Speaker 2: and under chief their pet rolls they say that, but
Speaker 2: the oy tests coming from somebody who I believe, I
Speaker 2: know what that looks like.
Speaker 1: Now, it's hard to because you end up measuring yourself
Speaker 1: against what the Golden State Warriors was able to accomplish
Speaker 1: or the Cavaliers have it. You know, like you start
Speaker 1: looking at the teams and how they build. Denver Milwaukee
Speaker 1: got you know again, you start looking at these teams
Speaker 1: how they were put together and you say, okay, we
Speaker 1: we've we've had some success. We are right there, and again,
Speaker 1: is this the guy that can get us there? I
Speaker 1: don't you know, again they have to answer that question.
Speaker 1: But we're in this era of instant gratification because of
Speaker 1: what the media and you know, the business and you know,
Speaker 1: again we all benefit and then you know, we all benefit.
Speaker 1: So you know, it is a beautiful thing. The game
Speaker 1: has grown. You know, we have giants. You know, people
Speaker 1: have contributed to that over time that we have to think,
Speaker 1: you know, and obviously the NBA has done a great job.
Speaker 1: But because of that, now the pressure cooker is a
Speaker 1: lot higher, you know, the temperatures a lot higher, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as I need to win right now, right like,
Speaker 1: because again you know the process, what it takes. Can
Speaker 1: you go through what okay, so you went through, you know,
Speaker 1: get to where they are now and the top that
Speaker 1: it takes to get there. Can you make it through
Speaker 1: that time in New York at that right where you
Speaker 1: know they calling for heads out there right uh, their
Speaker 1: fans with the Lakers, you know, because let's be honest,
Speaker 1: the fans can be spoiled sometimes, you know, like especially
Speaker 1: when you take success. You think it's easy in this world.
Speaker 1: So it will be interesting to see what happens. But
Speaker 1: I would agree. I think you know, they could benefit,
Speaker 1: for you know, from from adding a couple of other pieces.
Speaker 4: But we'll see.
Speaker 3: One thousand man, DoD, We appreciate you.
Speaker 2: My brother coming on the show means a lot, you know,
Speaker 2: I know it means a lot to be deep, but
Speaker 2: just mean a lot to me. Uh, just having an
Speaker 2: opportunity to share the time that I share it with
Speaker 2: you and come on shop it up after the finals
Speaker 2: before you get out of here.
Speaker 5: Who you got winning this championship?
Speaker 4: My dog? Oh man, I don't do that to me.
Speaker 2: Who you got.
Speaker 4: Me? Man?
Speaker 1: We out here in the West, Man, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go in and go and stay local, stay local.
Speaker 3: Okay, clean it up, man, young money.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, my brother, Sir, my daughter, thank you,
Speaker 1: appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Love love to the fam to my brother always.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, it's our first live one man. Congratulations Johnny.
Speaker 4: Appreciate your brother got through it. That was great. Cool.
Speaker 2: You know we are you know, I do got a
Speaker 2: couple more questions that I want to run by you
Speaker 2: before we get off But before we do that, I
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Speaker 2: I got a question for you. Talk to me.
Speaker 3: After watching Game one? Who do you have win in
Speaker 3: the series.
Speaker 4: I'm worried.
Speaker 3: I'm worried.
Speaker 2: I'm worried for OKC man, you cost you cost twenty
Speaker 2: first nineteen first half turnovers and you couldn't wall enough
Speaker 2: to pull away at least to get up twenty points,
Speaker 2: like twenty turnovers, like nineteen turnovers and a half. That's insane.
Speaker 2: And all the guys is not playing well, like nobody
Speaker 2: scored over twenty points, maybe even seventeen points like that.
Speaker 2: That to me is scary because you held the Pacers
Speaker 2: to twenty eleven and their mo is defense. You held
Speaker 2: them to twent eleven and you lost. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: problem because they gonna get They gonna get on like
Speaker 2: they gonna get anyway, you know. And so to me,
Speaker 2: that signal is a big, big, big, big big problem. Man.
Speaker 2: I have to say, if that's gonna be the case, man,
Speaker 2: I gotta roll with the Pacers, and I think the
Speaker 2: Thunders supposed to win.
Speaker 3: But between that and Rick Carlisle, he's just any close game,
Speaker 3: I'm siding with the Pacers. Okay, see has been manhandling
Speaker 3: them all in the regular season, all up until that
Speaker 3: eight minute, that three minute mark or a six minute
Speaker 3: mark in the fourth.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean shit, Okay, see they should they should be
Speaker 3: the superior team. They reflected that maybe this is just
Speaker 3: the game that slaps them up and wakes them up.
Speaker 3: And then I don't know if you know this, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Stealers. Y'all want um signing Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 3: what you think I'm to do.
Speaker 2: We're about to trade for John new Smith. We're probably
Speaker 2: gonna trade for another receiver. Super Bowl Pittsburgh, watch out,
Speaker 2: coming back, shout out to Mike Towland. Absolutely, but I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 3: I think Mike Taylan and Aaron Rodgers ain't gonna get allowed.
Speaker 3: And that's my prediction.
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, don't come drama.
Speaker 2: Don't come in here with drama.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be some drama and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: There's a way we go about things in Pittsburgh, and
Speaker 2: you're coming into this culture.
Speaker 3: You must go about things that way, and he will.
Speaker 3: That's Aaron Rodgers. Man. You can't tell them what to do.
Speaker 2: Man, stop it. Listen here, Aaron Rodgers coming to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: You're coming here brother on one year deal. We're not
Speaker 2: putting up with no nonsense. You coming here to play,
Speaker 2: you coming here to win. And at the end of
Speaker 2: the season last year, last couple of games, he started
Speaker 2: to Rogers starts stepping up in that pocket. Man, he's
Speaker 2: coming back from that killers injury step year, and he
Speaker 2: starts stepping back up in that pocket like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: So watch watch still, let's go still.
Speaker 5: Even so we predicted last he predicted, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: So you project super Bowls.
Speaker 4: Book it.
Speaker 2: It's happened.
Speaker 5: You can book that last thing before we get out
Speaker 5: of here.
Speaker 2: I was very vocal at the All Star Game time
Speaker 2: about it being trash. I thought it was awful and
Speaker 2: it made no sense that G League guys got to
Speaker 2: play in the NBA All Star Game.
Speaker 4: It's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: Adam Silver came out UH a couple of days ago
Speaker 2: and said it will be us a versus the world.
Speaker 2: I like the idea. I think that was dope in
Speaker 2: hockey this year it was a little different. But in
Speaker 2: saying that, do you like the idea and what do
Speaker 2: you see, it's possibly being the biggest concerns with the idea.
Speaker 3: Look, man, the problem is is the style. It's like,
Speaker 3: you're not You're not going it's hard to get the
Speaker 3: competitive style in an All Star game when the style
Speaker 3: you play is very similar to what you're trying to
Speaker 3: reproduce in an All Star game, right, So, like the
Speaker 3: style that they play now is very similar to like
Speaker 3: the most magical All Star games that you could see
Speaker 3: right threes Dougs highlights things like that. So now when
Speaker 3: those dudes go the like dumbed down the floss right
Speaker 3: or or show you something else, they're showing you like, man,
Speaker 3: we can hit for a shots all day. And so
Speaker 3: I think personally like we've gotten away from I am
Speaker 3: an All Star, I represent my team. It makes you
Speaker 3: feel good, It makes you feel good for the players
Speaker 3: on your team, the organization you're putting on for your city.
Speaker 3: I say, man, just go back to the jerseys. Let
Speaker 3: everybody rock their jersey in the All Star Game East West.
Speaker 3: But you know, we'll see what happens USA versus the world.
Speaker 3: I just think that it it fucks up the voting,
Speaker 3: it does.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's what I think about. The voting
Speaker 2: changes the voting for sure. I think I think eating
Speaker 2: on a on a world versus USA level is going
Speaker 2: to create something. Although I don't know if they'll have
Speaker 2: the same product that will have because it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: Canada or Serbia, but maybe they will. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but you know, I see that there's just a lot
Speaker 2: they're asking, you know, they're they're moving the game to
Speaker 2: the daytime, and I think that that will make a
Speaker 2: little bit of a difference. Guys want to get out
Speaker 2: of there and get the vacation you getting there earlier.
Speaker 2: Like I think I think that can help a bit.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, I think if they entertainment that uh, that
Speaker 2: opening practice that.
Speaker 4: They do, they need to.
Speaker 2: Mix it and go with a real practice so guys
Speaker 2: can like actually put in some sets and like actually
Speaker 2: like talking about making this serious and like some time
Speaker 2: exactly they want to do that. I think they should
Speaker 2: do that. But you know, you sell tickets to the
Speaker 2: opening practice and sponsorships, so you know, you've got to
Speaker 2: give a little to get a little sometimes.
Speaker 3: But I think from an entertainment perspective, you got us
Speaker 3: versus the world in the middle of the season, I
Speaker 3: start thinking from a media perspective, just a coverage around
Speaker 3: the world is going to actually make it, you know,
Speaker 3: a media spectacle.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, man, we know, All Star
Speaker 3: Weekend coming up in La What kind of entertainment we're
Speaker 3: gonna have. Is it gonna be frough, gayzy? You know?
Speaker 3: Are we gonna have the culture involved? Like All Star
Speaker 3: Weekend used to be a celebration, like a homecoming yeah
Speaker 3: to us, where all the players felt like coming. Yes,
Speaker 3: all the players felt like, hey, man, I got to
Speaker 3: show up at All Star Weekend to see my former teammates,
Speaker 3: to see my nephew, my gossa. You start really start
Speaker 3: to seem like, yo, we are like a big family,
Speaker 3: and we start getting away with we start getting away
Speaker 3: from that because now everybody kind of like, oh, you
Speaker 3: got the corporate party over here, and the corporate party
Speaker 3: over here. But it's like and everybody's busy, so players
Speaker 3: don't get a chance to hang out in the lobby
Speaker 3: and it'd be thirty you know, like how he was
Speaker 3: in New York. Like that's what All Star Weekend used
Speaker 3: to be, like, like we all want to dinner, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like when you was an All Star,
Speaker 3: everybody's going to the same places. We all hanging out.
Speaker 3: We're happy to be around each other. It's old, young,
Speaker 3: new and next to come, you know, and I think
Speaker 3: that's where we got to get back to. I want
Speaker 3: to see legends on the sideline of the All Star Game.
Speaker 3: I don't want to see John Legend. I do not
Speaker 3: want to see John Legend sitting nowhere on the floor. Bro,
Speaker 3: they don't fuck with basketball. They don't even matter to
Speaker 3: the game, right, we don't care that they're watching some
Speaker 3: legends in those seats, and let's tell their story, right, Man,
Speaker 3: do not put John Legend on the floor. Okay, that's funny.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 3: I think, man, I'm gonna go kick it. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go kick it. Spill this, Jake Conn.
Speaker 2: That's that's hilarious. I think, I think, I think it
Speaker 2: can get better. But I've always said this, it just
Speaker 2: has to be more about the game.
Speaker 4: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: You gotta be about the player.
Speaker 2: We'll see maybe maybe they can get it right. Hopefully
Speaker 2: hopefully you're not. But you know, all Star weekends the
Speaker 2: last thing I'll say. All Star Weekend used to be
Speaker 2: like a cultural like phenomenon, like like culturally like it's lit,
Speaker 2: like you gotta go to All Star Weekend. All Star
Speaker 2: Weekend today is just a corporate It's just a corporate.
Speaker 3: Corporate tea party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know those aren't always the most fun.
Speaker 2: So you know, we'll see, we'll see how it go.
Speaker 2: But we appreciate you all for tuning in our first
Speaker 2: live episode UH Indiana Tates Game one. We want to
Speaker 2: thank Sean Liverston for coming on the show. Thank you
Speaker 2: all for tuning in til next time. That's a rap
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Speaker 2: My brother. Appreciate y'all.
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