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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barria, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown Stalley, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Bett coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bowl Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All It's do Alive on a Monday edition of the program,

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Speaker 2: merely Bo the great Z.

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Speaker 3: How are you living, buddy?

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Speaker 4: I'm great man.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing? You know, quite a swap weatherwise

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Speaker 2: from the weekend to today.

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Speaker 3: I know it was coming, so.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to prepare same we were you soaked

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Speaker 2: in all of the great weather as long as you

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Speaker 2: thank you to you and you know as well think

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Speaker 2: you needed. How did you end up? Did you match

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Speaker 2: the first with the back?

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Speaker 4: I didn't go thirty four to thirty four? Now I

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Speaker 4: played three days this week and I went, I have

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Speaker 4: a seventy two to seventy three and seventy four, so

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Speaker 4: I felt no sixties.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping with that's thirty four that we'd get

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Speaker 4: Six seventy four with a with a double on a shot,

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Speaker 4: a good drive. But they've kind of like shaved this

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Speaker 4: hill now, and so if you go through the fairway,

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Speaker 4: it just goes away, and I was not I should

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Speaker 4: have not hit the driver. Sad, but I felt very

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Speaker 4: much a way. And the last hole, the kid was

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Speaker 4: on a heater himself and I was against him. I

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Speaker 4: needed a birdie the last hole, which is a good

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Speaker 4: long part for if I drive down the middle. I

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Speaker 4: was about one twenty and I hit it to like

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Speaker 4: two feet.

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Speaker 2: I needed it, and you had to have it, had

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Speaker 2: to have it. So that felt good.

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Speaker 4: Whenever he went through. Yeah felt good. So again, thank

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Speaker 4: you guys. It was great to be out there. I

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Speaker 4: feel like God take advantage of it in this town

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Speaker 4: because I got hailed on.

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Speaker 2: I got hailed on today today, Yeah, after on the

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Speaker 2: way back.

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Speaker 4: The two days and just pure joy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. We had a lot of great weather, great weekend.

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Speaker 2: It held off for much of the weekend. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: until Sunday afternoon. Yeah right, you kind of got got

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Speaker 4: So how was Bootsy in the pool? Give us the whole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah he was. He's been excited.

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Speaker 2: He's been lots of swims, morning swims, night swims.

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Speaker 4: Did he demanded the robe.

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Speaker 2: No, no demanding of the robe yet, I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: will come. I think the most newsworthy event that happened

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Speaker 2: on the Ponderosa this weekend is was the behavior of Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Garrity was not sure what to make of the pool.

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Speaker 2: Oh and despite the fact that him being a retriever,

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Speaker 2: it would be natural for him to be good. So

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Speaker 2: I tried taking him in, I want to say, on Friday,

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Speaker 2: taking him in and he scratched the living hell out

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Speaker 2: of me. And then on yesterday morning we were around

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Speaker 2: and so what he does is he mother hens it

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Speaker 2: like it's like I can't tell if he's like worried

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Speaker 2: that the boys are in trouble or if he wants

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Speaker 2: to like play with them. So he basically just runs

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Speaker 2: around the edge NonStop as they're in it, just running, sprinting.

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Speaker 2: And yesterday he's like got a little bit too close

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Speaker 3: No way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so my wife, you would have thought that like

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Speaker 2: a six week old child fell in. It was incapable

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Speaker 2: panic and screaming. Oh my god, I'm like easy like,

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Speaker 2: I take my time, I take my hoodie off, I

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Speaker 2: put my phone down, I go in. By the time

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Speaker 2: buddy Garretty just swims right to me.

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Speaker 3: He's a retriever man.

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Speaker 2: He knows had a swim, he's got a dog paddle.

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Speaker 3: That's it. He just zip zip zip swims right over

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Speaker 2: Now I didn't go back in, but he was more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he swam to the shore and then that was it.

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Speaker 2: So that was that was kind of the most noteworthy

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Speaker 2: I did. I'm gonna real quick, real quick Au story

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Speaker 2: because the boys are back in ten.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 2: I was at the the Drew joyce Au Tournament with

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Speaker 2: my oldest this weekend at the IX Center, so I

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Speaker 2: was over here.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: We had very conveniently time games of eight one and

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Speaker 2: four forty five, so that was good on Saturday, and

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Speaker 2: then he had he have lacrosse at seven thirty at night,

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Speaker 2: so it was a full day for NBC. I want

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Speaker 2: you to guess the admission price per person over the

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Speaker 2: age of eight. To get into Watch AAU second grade

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Speaker 2: through junior in high school, admission price twenty bucks twelve

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Speaker 2: dollars forty what.

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Speaker 3: Forty?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, So you're playing in it. If he's playing,

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Speaker 2: he is, he's in. But then I got to pay

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Speaker 2: forty forty to go. Yeah, and then they had forty forty.

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Speaker 2: And then the bands, like the bands were the like

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Speaker 2: club bands, so like you couldn't transfer it to somebody else.

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Speaker 2: So then my wife, because she did the last later game,

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Speaker 2: she was forty eighty in Watch.

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Speaker 4: How many people would you estimate attended this.

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Speaker 2: Event somewhere somewhere greater than some are slightly less than

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Speaker 2: a million five and slightly more than two hundred thousand,

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Speaker 2: somewhere in that range.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 2: On the amount of teams, I had to think that

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Speaker 2: there were at least two hundred and fifty or three

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Speaker 2: hundred teams.

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Speaker 3: This is the biggest. Whoever's running this.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's Drue Joyce, Well Lebron's coach. But I mean

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Speaker 2: from a I mean from a team standpoint, I mean,

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Speaker 2: here's the teams.

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Speaker 4: Is that three hundred, okay, and fifty teams?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you can do the math.

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Speaker 2: Forty see you got I think there's one now. I

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Speaker 2: was also ten bucks to park because isn't that the

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Speaker 2: IX deal? If you go there, then they get you

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Speaker 2: on the parking. Even if there's only twenty people, you

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Speaker 2: figure one point team, you figure one point five parent

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Speaker 2: talking an average of probably nine kids on a team.

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Speaker 4: So thirteen roughly full called fifteen for the sake of it. Times,

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Speaker 4: let's just say there's three hundred teams, because that looked

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Speaker 4: forty five hundred times forty that's right. So he's making

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Speaker 2: Well he's got to pay. There's a bunch of people

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Speaker 2: working in It was a hell of a tournament. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a big it's a biggie. It was crazy. It

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Speaker 2: was really crazy. And then more than that concessions and

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's an IX situation. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: that works, but it was a scene man and cash only.

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Speaker 2: Sure it is standing at seventh you're there at seven

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Speaker 2: thirty in the morning and you're like, you're standing next

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Speaker 2: to all these people, Like, nobody carries forty bucks in cash. No,

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Speaker 2: it was pure luck that I had a fifty. I

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Speaker 2: never have cash never, and I happen to have a

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Speaker 2: fifty otherwise. I'm like, I don't even where's the PM

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Speaker 2: for me?

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Speaker 3: Your team in this magical little field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, think about the revenue. We're just looking at.

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Speaker 3: One a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of America use sports.

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Speaker 2: Baby, I think there's over a quarter million.

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Speaker 3: Five minutes easy.

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Speaker 2: I think you're probably right. I think I think that's

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Speaker 2: pretty easy, joked sane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nuts, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I do. Miss.

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Speaker 4: I am sad that I am am you know that

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Speaker 4: I had that brief moment with already buckets, but that

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Speaker 4: I'm not, you know, participant in create many sports. They're

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Speaker 4: performing in other ways, which is awesome and yeahn and

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Speaker 4: they're involved and that's all great, but I'm also quite

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Speaker 4: pleased at some point. This would be hard for me to.

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Speaker 2: It's hard stomach. I ask any parenties in it. It's

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Speaker 2: really tough because you just go, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: What the hell are we doing here? Man?

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Speaker 4: Why are we giving all these people?

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Speaker 2: What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely nuts?

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Speaker 4: Well because like just to take a step back. And

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Speaker 4: then it's because it's an AAU tournament. That means it's

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Speaker 4: an AAU team which comes with its own set of feeds.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, that's what I mean, the

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Speaker 3: entry feed to get your team into well, the on

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Speaker 2: It's a perpetual and this is I mean, we're having

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Speaker 2: a little I just experienced this this weekend, so it's

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Speaker 2: top of mind. But this is the same of true

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Speaker 2: of baseball, of seven on seven, football, of any of

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Speaker 2: this stuff. It's all this.

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Speaker 3: It's just a perpetual.

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Speaker 2: We just played. I felt like we just played, just played.

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Speaker 3: I know that's what I become.

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Speaker 2: We become back in our day, guys, you played AAU,

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Speaker 2: But I don't think I didn't. Probably this young I

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Speaker 3: We didn't have no well, we didn't have it until

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Speaker 3: high school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, second graders, and I was playing. There were second graders.

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Speaker 2: There's there was a second grade team that lost forty

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Speaker 2: nine to two. What's gained? What are we doing as

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Speaker 2: a quick soapbox? The biggest issue other than all of

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Speaker 2: that with the youth sports is they are desensitized by

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Speaker 2: the amount of games, so winning and losing doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 2: They don't get joy in the wins and they don't

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Speaker 2: get much sorrow in the defeat because they just play

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Speaker 2: in an hour. So they've played so much that there's

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Speaker 2: no out, like wins and losses don't really resonate because

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Speaker 2: they're going to play again in two hours and then

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Speaker 2: even if they're done today, they're gonna play three more tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And it's like I see it across all ages, like they.

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Speaker 3: Played all the way up. What the problem is in

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Speaker 3: the NBA, It's just too meaningless regular season games.

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Speaker 2: It's the the auification of sports, is what we've seen.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the NBA was great this weekend. I

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Speaker 2: know it didn't go well for us here, but several

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Speaker 2: of those games were sensational. They were really good.

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Speaker 3: We're already one game in. Yeah, it mad loaded really good.

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Speaker 4: But that's the whole season is largely irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, now that you're in the I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Lakers are a seven and they're up one oh

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Speaker 2: on Memphis. Sure, and yeah, yeah, no it is. I

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Speaker 2: mean Miami beat Milwaukee and.

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Speaker 4: You're you're supposed to. I mean it's April. This won't

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Speaker 4: end until the middle of June.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it did to end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you get you have two months of this.

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Speaker 4: Two months is a big chunk of the NFL season,

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Speaker 3: So workout in classroom instruction.

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Speaker 4: Workouts classroom instruction only. And so this is the initial

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Speaker 4: We will we're lopping a little bit off of ours

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Speaker 3: I don't know the difference. There's a Phase one and

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Speaker 2: Yep. So this is they're working out and their classrooms.

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Speaker 4: Here it is here, it is. Phase one consists of

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Speaker 2: Nine on seven. I think center, maybe center, and I

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Speaker 2: For us this year, it'll probably be it'll probably be seven.

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Speaker 3: The second week of that OTAs is Memorial Day week.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there might be a charity golf outing

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure.

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Speaker 3: Balls already starting to roll with today. I can't do that.

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Speaker 2: It's let me live summer, yeah, let me and we

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Speaker 4: The half over achieving is going to put a little

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Speaker 2: Well we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 4: But right now it's time to you know, get in here,

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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson's football team. Defensively, Jim Schwartz, special teams, Bubba

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Speaker 2: My point is it's uphill for anybody that's drafted by

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Speaker 4: And there's no way that if they were in theory

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, yeah, no, we could talk about that

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Speaker 3: There's no there's just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you see that.

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Speaker 2: a basic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we started in that. But from left to right

444
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Speaker 4: was Buttonio, Done, Nick Harris in Green Bay on Christmas

445
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Speaker 4: and then I think, tell her kind of what.

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Speaker 2: Chris Christmas and Green Bay? Uh Yeah, So that's that's

447
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: where you go on this. The team also signed quarterback

448
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Speaker 2: Thomas Graham. He's an exclusive rights I like him, and

449
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: he's a guy used to be a slot yep. Yeah,

450
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Speaker 2: So there's some more guys in the mix now and

451
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Speaker 2: and now the work gets done of getting the terminal,

452
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Speaker 2: especially if the defensive guy's new terminology to learn, new

453
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Speaker 2: new jobs to learn in terms of what your responsibilities are.

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Speaker 2: We had I talked to Tivas on Friday and we

455
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Speaker 2: were talking about he played obviously in a lot of

456
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Speaker 2: very different defensive systems, and he explained a situation he

457
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Speaker 2: had in Arizona where a phrase in the defenses that

458
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Speaker 2: he played in in Seattle and San Francisco meant meant

459
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Speaker 2: to come up and that exact same phrase in Arizona

460
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Speaker 2: meant to drop back. So like he goes, those are

461
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Speaker 2: the things that are tricky for the guys because there's

462
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Speaker 2: there's a new terminology in a new language to learn

463
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Speaker 2: on all of these fronts. UH lots to get to

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Speaker 2: on the program today. Three goals for this team as

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Speaker 2: it gets into the off season program.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna We've got.

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Speaker 2: A lot of news around the NFL. We'll get to

468
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Speaker 2: the Jalen Hurts stuff, but but a Baker as well

469
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Speaker 2: could be in the mix. Some stuff on DeAndre Hopkins.

470
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Speaker 2: It's out there as well. We will also continue our

471
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Speaker 2: tour around the league. We are gonna deal with New

472
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Speaker 2: England today, which kind of feels like a road to nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Team.

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Speaker 2: Right now, we will get to all of that. It's

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to have you on board. Welcome in, Cleveland

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Speaker 2: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Gibbe wants to know, with of course,

482
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Speaker 2: in the next couple of months, what are your top

483
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Speaker 2: three goals for the team and the off season program.

484
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Speaker 2: I guess first we would have to know. Here's the

485
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Speaker 2: thing that's tricky. Talk to us, Gibbet, here's the thing.

486
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Speaker 2: Go well, here's the thing that's tricky. Can we acknowledge

487
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: that most likely we will learn us the collective, we'll

488
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Speaker 2: learn next to nothing the next two months.

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Speaker 3: What do you hope to learn? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think this speaks to the bigger picture, right

491
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Speaker 2: because it's no for I'm for it. I'm just trying

492
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Speaker 2: to wrap because the thing that is so difficult is

493
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Speaker 2: you're gonna get We will get this window in June

494
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Speaker 2: to watch things. Yep, right, and it'll be this short

495
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Speaker 2: little window. And I'm just thinking back to the year

496
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Speaker 2: that the three of us. I'm pretty sure it was

497
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Speaker 2: the Cope. The year it was twenty one? Was it

498
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Speaker 2: twenty one? I think it's twenty one, And we were

499
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Speaker 2: sitting right out here doing the show, and we watched

500
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Speaker 2: Odell run precise routes, and we watched Baker hit him

501
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Speaker 2: in stride, and we made a big damn deal of

502
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Speaker 2: Baker going up to Odell and correcting a little new

503
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Speaker 2: he was doing in the routes, and Odell took that

504
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: correction very well. And you thought, Okay, you're coming off

505
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Speaker 2: of a team that went to Kansas City and gave

506
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Speaker 2: them everything, and you're a stop away, You're a Chad

507
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Speaker 2: Henny scramble away of playing for an AFC championship. You

508
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Speaker 2: went to Pittsburgh in one you'd gotten through the COVID year,

509
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Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, we got all the

510
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Speaker 2: momentum in the world, and we've got Odell looking like

511
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent of Odell and let's go. And six

512
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Speaker 2: months later he's traded or released or whatever ended up happening.

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Speaker 2: So I guess what I'm saying is is how much

514
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Speaker 2: can we really learn? I'm talking about us, I'm not

515
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Speaker 2: talking about the team. They can learn a lot. There's

516
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Speaker 2: a lot of work that's going to be done for them,

517
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Speaker 2: and they've got to learn a lot in terms of

518
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Speaker 2: defensively what's going to happen offensively, But in terms of us,

519
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Speaker 2: what can we be sure of? How do you make

520
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Speaker 2: sure that what you're watching is in fools gold?

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Speaker 4: You can't be sure of anything. But I do think

522
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Speaker 4: what we can learn is how does this scheme differ

523
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Speaker 4: from what we have seen in the past in all

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Speaker 4: phases of this football team. I mean, look, the fact

525
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Speaker 4: of the matter is, and We've said this ad nauseam

526
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Speaker 4: and I'll say it again in case you're just listening

527
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Speaker 4: for the first time, welcome.

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Speaker 2: This is all about Sean Watson.

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Speaker 4: So what we can learn is is Deshaun Watson doing

530
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Speaker 4: things that he wasn't doing last year? For example? Is

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Speaker 4: he taking the layups? Are the layups layups? Is he

532
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Speaker 4: is he allowing himself to not try to make the

533
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Speaker 4: home run play every play? Is he able to throw

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Speaker 4: the quick ones?

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Speaker 2: How much?

536
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Speaker 4: What's the work that he's put in? Is it back

537
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Speaker 4: to him everything being second nature as opposed to in

538
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Speaker 4: you know what he had to deal with. And he

539
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Speaker 4: looked very good at times last year in the practice.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean, even in the practice. I don't

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Speaker 2: in the practice there were I mean we sat out

542
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Speaker 2: here training camp, I went, good, God Almighty, look at this,

543
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Speaker 2: and there were practices even in the end of the

544
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Speaker 2: season where you went, I think.

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Speaker 4: Where where we'll be able to see here. I think

546
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Speaker 4: that he's going to look great throwing the ball. I

547
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Speaker 4: think he's going to throw it very effectively. I think

548
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Speaker 4: what you'll be able to see is the decision making,

549
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Speaker 4: the quickness with which he decides where to go to

550
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Speaker 4: the with the football, the accuracy of that, not of

551
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Speaker 4: the throw, of the decision that he is making. Is

552
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Speaker 4: the ball going where it's supposed to go? Is he

553
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Speaker 4: seeing it clearly? Is? Has the game slowed down for him?

554
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Speaker 4: That's the thing. Last year we had practices and then

555
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Speaker 4: you have the games, and things got better, but it

556
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Speaker 4: was up and down. There were great moments in every game,

557
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Speaker 4: but there wasn't that consistency. What this is how I'll

558
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Speaker 4: know if we're doing seven on sevens and the ball

559
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Speaker 4: just isn't hitting the ground. Ever, if it's looking like

560
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Speaker 4: what it looks like when you have an elite quarterback,

561
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Speaker 4: which we have not really seen.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, what you just described, we

563
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Speaker 2: have not had here.

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Speaker 4: No, So that is something that you would be able

565
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Speaker 4: to take away from this.

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Speaker 2: Now you've been at camps. I've been at camps. I

567
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Speaker 2: remember Carson Palmer and Cincinnati. That would happen when they

568
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Speaker 2: had Ocho, Senko and Huschbinzad and Palmer before the injury

569
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Speaker 2: was he just spun it wherever he wanted it. The

570
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Speaker 2: ball never hit. Same thing with Manning and the Colts.

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Speaker 4: And Romo and Dallas because that's wide people who are

572
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Speaker 4: at a lot of those camps, and they were the

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Speaker 4: ones who told me like, yeah, this is not that. Yeah, yeah,

574
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Speaker 4: this is how it was with Romo. So that's that's

575
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: that stuff that we can see. That stuff that we

576
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Speaker 4: will be very interested to see. You know, one thing,

577
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Speaker 4: and this is a little a smaller thing, but I

578
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 4: think this holds up very well. Is like, is Kad

579
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Speaker 4: York making everything? Yeah, you know, how's he kicking the ball?

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Speaker 4: I think that's something that we can observe when we

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Speaker 4: get to see that, Like is he just drilling everything?

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Speaker 4: Does he seem more confident?

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Speaker 3: Is this?

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Speaker 4: Does he look like a megastar?

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Speaker 3: You know?

586
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Speaker 4: And then you know, you can also learn the designs

587
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Speaker 4: and the rotations. What are they thinking at least initially here?

588
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Speaker 4: How will they deploy Elijah Moore with Amari Cooper and

589
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: Donovan People's jones? You know? How will they employ Aikens

590
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: with David Ejoku in some two tight end sets? What

591
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 4: does that look like for our team? Who is the

592
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 4: third down back? That's something we don't know yet. Now,

593
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Speaker 4: could you sign Jerck McKinnon And I've advocated for that,

594
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 4: I think quite a bit, and I would love that.

595
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Speaker 4: But if not, what does that look like? So there

596
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 4: are some things you can learn, but in terms of well,

597
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: we see what we saw and then we know for

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Speaker 4: sure we're gonna go and be legit. To me, the

599
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: first test of okay, we can be legit is when

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Speaker 4: we go to Philly for those jos.

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Speaker 3: That's it, man, it's Philly joint practice.

602
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Speaker 2: If we look legit there, we look like we we

603
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: blocked them. Can we tackle them? Can we run with them?

604
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: Can we hang with them? If you can, then you go.

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Speaker 2: Then you go and that's that's kind of it, because

606
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Speaker 2: you know, as you're going through a lot of that stuff,

607
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: all that stuff that we're all curious about. As we're

608
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Speaker 2: going into the kid York thing, I'm just thinking of

609
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: myself like, yeah, but I need to see him do

610
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Speaker 2: it in the games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean you were at those warm ups where you

613
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: would kick it from either hash a thousand yards away

614
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Speaker 2: right down the middle, and you'd be like, what can't

615
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: this dude do? But then it came to the games

616
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Speaker 2: and it had got in his head and he struggled.

617
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Speaker 2: So that that that's a game thing. The Deshaun thing

618
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: is a game thing. Like he's got to go to

619
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Speaker 2: games and go be the player that he was a

620
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. I think the isn't isn't one

621
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Speaker 2: two and three? Like this is an offensive game, man, Yes,

622
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: we've got to be able to score one, two and three?

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Speaker 2: Is can this offense look the way that the collective

624
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: should look? Yes? The talent, Yes, it has to. I

625
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: mean that has to. You got a month. So when

626
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Speaker 2: I think about end of camp and then entering into

627
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Speaker 2: training camp and getting to Philly between now and then,

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Speaker 2: that's got to get You got to be cohesive there, man,

629
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Speaker 2: and you've got to be elite by the time you

630
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Speaker 2: get to July. Yeah, and certainly September. But that's that's it,

631
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Speaker 2: and so that whatever the best of it is. I

632
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Speaker 2: think the number one thing for this, for this entire

633
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Speaker 2: organization is how do you get the best out of

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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson?

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Speaker 3: Period?

636
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Speaker 2: And second's eighth stay healthy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it yes, for three things, you could write Watson, Watson, Watson,

638
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 4: I mean, that's it. That's what this is about. If

639
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson is the guy that we saw in Houston

640
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 4: on our team, we're gonna be great, period, full stop.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

642
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Speaker 2: And the reason that it's that the rest of it,

643
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, because you'll people we're not good enough on

644
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: the defensive line. Are we good enough here?

645
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Speaker 5: It's all.

646
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, really, it really doesn't like, Yeah, you

647
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: need all those things. You need an opportunistic defense, you

648
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: need one that can get a timely sack or a

649
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: timely interception like that's need. But you can people can

650
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: come this up and down all day long on you

651
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: and you can still win. It's it's in a moment.

652
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Speaker 2: Can you create a big play the way that Jones

653
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Speaker 2: has for Kansas City in recent years the way that

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Speaker 2: some of those Cincinnati defenders have in recent years. Can

655
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Speaker 2: you make a play, Logan Wilson, when you can you

656
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Speaker 2: make one when your team needs it?

657
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Speaker 3: Can you do that?

658
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Speaker 2: Because you're gonna do this, You're gonna go between the twenties?

659
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Speaker 2: And can you turn can you turn trips into the

660
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: twenty into field goals instead of touchdowns? That's where this

661
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: league is right now? Yeah? And so you right, and

662
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 2: then can you do the opposite and you score? Make

663
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: sure you score touchdowns?

664
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

665
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, and this speaks to this speaks to where

666
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: we are the in in the old days, you know,

667
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: before you had Deshaun Watson and as you had this

668
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: young team that was ascending, and we were asking questions

669
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: like this, we could say, you know, we really I

670
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: gotta know who's gonna step up at second receiver? I

671
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: got who's going to be, who's the number one receiver? Who?

672
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: How?

673
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: What's the time share at this? This and this? Man,

674
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 2: we're on a razor's edge right now. You are you

675
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: have a roster that is fully formed, whose best players

676
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: have been paid and are in their prime.

677
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why there's urgency.

678
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: They got to go. It's time to go.

679
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: And the only way that you're gonna the only for

680
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: sure way of knowing what that looks like is going

681
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: to be the games. That's it. You're gonna get a

682
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: pretty good taste of it in Philly, Yes for sure.

683
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: Yes, well, because they're going to want to. I think

684
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: in part their will on us, as they did last year,

685
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: that gave them, I'm sure buoy their confidence, you know,

686
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: because we looked pretty okay that the first day, and

687
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: then the second day it.

688
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, the first day we were fine, and then

689
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: the second day it went the other way.

690
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty bigly.

691
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

692
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you saw it and they had you know,

693
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: it's interesting for them, and we'll get to him in

694
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: just second in the next segment. But everything around in

695
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 2: them was can Jalen Hurts go?

696
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: That was it.

697
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't everything else. They walked off the bus and

698
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: you said, well they got all the rest of it,

699
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, do they have that guy? But that's that's

700
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: where this league is right now, and that's where this

701
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: team is in the league. This is a team that

702
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: has been built, curated, put together with the idea of

703
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: go win. The Lombardi they the standard in the AFC

704
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: is incredibly high and our best players right now are

705
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: should be all at their best. So there's not we

706
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: just did I mean, hell, last same we were talking

707
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: about the rookies in the draft, like there's not really

708
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: any spot for any of them.

709
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: Like to start.

710
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: No, there's opportunities to be rotational or maybe maybe you

711
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: could shock the world at de tackle, but it's more

712
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: to be a rotational guy. Get a role as a

713
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 4: third safety, get a role as a third down back,

714
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: get a role as a situational pass rusher. That's it,

715
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: you know. And I think Alex Right hopefully is coming

716
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: in this year and be like I'm gonna end up

717
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: starting I'm gonna beat outbo you know. So we've got yeah,

718
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: we've got talent. We've got to stay healthy, you know.

719
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: I think that we've talked a little bit about our

720
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: lineup is set, but I think there are some depth

721
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: questions along the defensive line. I think there's a depth question,

722
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: you know. I like your top four corners quite a bit,

723
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: especially your top three, and then AJ Green has been

724
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 4: very very solid for you. Maybe get Graham back that

725
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: gives you five, but you know, that's that's what you're

726
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: talking about can guys come in and fill in depth

727
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: and then become what we need, you know, down the road,

728
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: because we still do also have a lot of guys,

729
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: especially if we were to draft a linebacker, I don't

730
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: know who he beats out at this point. I don't see.

731
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: I don't get that. But we have so many guys

732
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: that are on the last year of their deals in

733
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: that room that you know, you can always do a

734
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: lot of one year deals that spot, but you need

735
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: also have some succession planning. But no, there's meaningful minutes

736
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: and a huge roll right out of the gate out

737
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: of this rookie class. It just doesn't seem likely. The

738
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: Elijah Wartrade eliminated whatever chance there was for that at receiver,

739
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: and I think and also now that you know Marquis

740
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: Goodwin is officially official, not this this roster is pretty good.

741
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: I mean, we could put together a fifty three right

742
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: now that doesn't include rookies. That's done. That's it, that's

743
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 4: the team.

744
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'd feel very good about it.

745
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: There'd be a couple of things where you'd say, oh, well,

746
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: maybe we could add at this, but yeah.

747
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: And they could still I mean that you know, there's

748
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: a lot of veterans still out there in free agent.

749
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: You mentioned McKinnon several times at running back. There's still

750
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: guys on the defensive line that are out there. You

751
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: don't know what their motivation is in terms of, you know,

752
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: when they will play or if they want to wait

753
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: until a little bit later in the game. Most veterans

754
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: aren't real keen on an extra week of training camp,

755
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: so you know, could be something where you sit that

756
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: out a week or something.

757
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: Who knows.

758
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: So there's there's certainly a few tweaks here or there.

759
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: But in this will be my sixth season and this

760
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: is my fifth you know off season workout. We've never

761
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: had a team that doesn't have anything like what you

762
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: just did to say here's our fifty three. Every year

763
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: we've gone into the draft and go, well, we need

764
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: a left tackle, we need a corner, we need the No, no,

765
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: you don't. If you if one materialize, it's a tremendous bonus,

766
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: but it's not needed to be fair.

767
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 4: Last year was similar in some sense.

768
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: It just was not because we just hit Watson. We

769
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: didn't know it was hanging out. We had no idea

770
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: how long is he going to sit out? What's what's

771
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: the what's the suspension going to look like? On that?

772
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: And then we just didn't know when we would ever

773
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: see him like that's certainty. Now he's starting week one, yep,

774
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: you know, barring injuries starting, So what is that? You know?

775
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: That's that part of it.

776
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: And that's probably why the work being done right now

777
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: is more critical than ever because there aren't a lot

778
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: of significant pieces that are going to be added via

779
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: the draft potentially free agency, and if anything's added in

780
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: either late free agency or the draft, it's an incredible

781
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: bonus totally. Yep. It's not a must no, And so

782
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: I were in a good spot. Yeah, the attitude is

783
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: just very very different around here. The attitude you mentioned Philly,

784
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: big news out of Philly today. I did not see

785
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: this one coming at all. We will get to that

786
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: story coming up next. List to Cleveland Browns Daily brought

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Speaker 2: club for dogs. This, as Beufort Justice would say, was

796
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: an attention getter. The Eagles and Jalen Hurts reached an

797
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: agreement on a five year, two hundred and fifty five

798
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: million dollar extension, one hundred and eighty of it or

799
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: thereabouts guaranteed. The deal could actually be worth upwards of

800
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five if he reaches certain incentives.

801
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: It makes Jalen Hurts the highest paid player in the

802
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: National Football League. There are a lot of ways to

803
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: go here. I do think we'd be remiss not to

804
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: mention how improbable this was. If you were to go

805
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: back until four years ago and or hell even last

806
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: year in camp and to think that this was going

807
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: to be the case, it is a stunning thing. This

808
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: is a guy who was benched at Alabama so he

809
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: couldn't throw it, and went to Oklahoma and then the

810
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: rest has been history. I'm not putting all the success

811
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, but they made him a quarterback at least

812
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: in the eyes of the NFL, and he's done the rest.

813
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: And so from that standpoint, it's nuts beyond that. And

814
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: then I'll come to you on this, my friend. Did

815
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: you ever think this deal would be done before Burrough's

816
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: deal or Herbert's steal? No, certainly not.

817
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 4: But I think that it allows it makes it easier

818
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: for those deals to get done.

819
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: I think that, well, it depends on the attitude of

820
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: their agents.

821
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: This deal two fifty five, five years to fifty five

822
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: including one hundred and eighty guaranteed, so that it puts

823
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: one to eighty. That puts them at what forty five

824
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 4: guaranteed or forty four guaranteed a year? If I'm doing that.

825
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: Math right, I trust you private school, I don't know.

826
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound right either. Five years forty million guaranteed

827
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: would be two hundred and we're off twenty of that,

828
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: so take four off. So thirty six million dollars a

829
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: year guaranteed fully, So that means they should be able

830
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: to get Burrow, Herbert, even Lamar. This should help Lamar's

831
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: a deal as well.

832
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: I will at job by Philly and Howie for getting

833
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: ahead of the curve.

834
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they signed the highest but it's also nothing. It's not.

835
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it's obviously the highest deal ever, which.

836
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: Is right, but it's not because Mahomess was four hundred

837
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: million for TI ten. So it's per year. It's the

838
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: highest if he reaches, if he does, if he gets

839
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: all the money that's available to him, it will be

840
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: per year the highest individual. What is what I think

841
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: is going to it remains tricky about all of this

842
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: is that this isn't two hundred and thirty million guaranteed? Correct?

843
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: Correct?

844
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: So if you are Borough or you are Herbert, are

845
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: you going to say? And I think what this is?

846
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: What the NFL I'm talking about the NFL as a

847
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: collective is saying, is the situation with Watson was unique

848
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: and that this was a prime player in his prime

849
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: available and because of that there was a bidding more

850
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: among various teams for his services. But this is not

851
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: the new standard. It's not and we aren't going to

852
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: go near it, right, This is nowhere near it. This

853
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: is fifty million guaranteed less yep. This is over one

854
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: more year. The Watsons deals four and two thirty. This

855
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: is five and two fifty five, potentially up to two

856
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: seventy five but it's one eighty guaranteed. So if you're Herbert,

857
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: if you are Burrow, if you are Lamar, does this

858
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: make a dent at all in you? Or do you

859
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 2: say I don't care about this. What I care about

860
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: is the two thirty right.

861
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: That's for teams to negotiate. But what it feels like

862
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: is that this is now that the Shawn Watson deal

863
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: will be looked at as an outlier, not as the norm.

864
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: And that is what the NFL.

865
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: That's what the NFL wants and want to take owners.

866
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: And the owners want that to be the case. Correct

867
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: that that is the case, but that'll be to the

868
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: individual player and their representation and of these guys that

869
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about that I mean, you've already seen Lamar's leverage.

870
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like he has much. No, you know,

871
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: the way that he's the way that he's played it

872
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: has not been the best. And so conversely, Baltimore's played

873
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: it very well from their perspective, maybe not from a

874
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: pr perspective or maybe not from a perspective of wrecking

875
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: their relationship with Lamar, but in terms of protecting themselves,

876
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: they've played it very well. Wats one just I want

877
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: to jump in there. It was five years, five two thirty.

878
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: Fully, yep, quite a bit of the deal.

879
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, well they all are, Yeah they are. But

880
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: Burrow and Herbert, and especially when you know those ownerships

881
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 2: families in both situations for Spanos and Brown family, how

882
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: eager are they to get anywhere near this. I think

883
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: the assumption down in Cincinnati is Burrow will do them

884
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: as solid, But I don't know that. I don't know

885
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: if he'll do them a solid and say I don't

886
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: need to be near that. Who knows? Correct?

887
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: And you know, does he do? They try to do

888
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: like a ten year deal. But again, whatever is guaranteed

889
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: with this in the escrow, that rule should just go away,

890
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: and then Eyody should be able to do whatever they want.

891
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: These are NFL teams. They are not in any danger

892
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 4: room now defaulting and not being able to play pay

893
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: their players. They basically can pay their players right off

894
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: of the TV deal. So I do think that this

895
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: is a big deal for the league though, and I

896
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: really think that this deal happening will spur Herbert, Burrow

897
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: and Lamar's deals to get done. I really do. I

898
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: think that this was a big deal and this kind

899
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: of you know, when Kirk Cousins was basically playing every

900
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: year unnguaranteed contracts too, that was a question is did

901
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 4: kirk Cousins change the game? Is it going to be

902
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: all fully guaranteed contracts. Well, the answer is is no.

903
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 4: This one right here says definitively no. What kirk Cousins

904
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: did working you know, franchise tags and then signing short

905
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: guaranteed deals, that's an outlier. And then obviously that de

906
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 4: Shaun Watson deal that the Browns you know, made, and

907
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: other teams would have matched, but the Browns probably felt

908
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: that they had to make it to lock this up,

909
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: and you know that was kind of them paying a

910
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: tax based on everything that's happened probably for decades before.

911
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: Yep, but that is not.

912
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: Being adopted by the league, and there were a lot

913
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 4: of owners around league that certainly did not want that

914
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 4: to be the case that that was going to be adopted.

915
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, will I am surprised that the Borough deal wasn't

916
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: done has not been done yet, I really am, because

917
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: there was a lot of people I talked to down

918
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: there who thought it would come almost right after the season,

919
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: talked to Jay Morrison. I believe We've had jay On

920
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: before here. Talked to him maybe a month ago, and

921
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: there was a deadline in March that once it got

922
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: past that point, that silly Escrow situation got pushed back

923
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: a year. And he said, in my hunches, I would

924
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: see this end of March early April, we'll see a

925
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: deal done with Burrow, that the framework of it has

926
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: all been locked in and they're set. And yet here

927
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: we sit, it's April seventeenth. There's no panic, but it's

928
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: just I do think that they thought it would be

929
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: done by now so because they've got a lot of

930
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: business to do down there. I mean, the two of

931
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: these are teams in our division. Sure, I mean, this

932
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: Lamar situation is pretty crazy a couple of weeks before

933
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 2: the draft that they I continue to it just seems

934
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: impossible to me that the Baltimore Ravens will not have clarity.

935
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: That they would go into a draft without clarity at

936
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: that position seems insane.

937
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: To me, right, and I think they feel that they've

938
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: got clarity. I don't think that there's any way, at

939
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: least as of now, the Lamar Jackson place for anybody

940
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: other than than the Ravens. Now that could change obviously

941
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 4: we could make an offer that the Ravens aren't willing

942
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 4: to match, but doesn't feel like that's imminent.

943
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like, if.

944
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: You judge what people have said publicly, there's anybody even

945
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: trying to get Lamar. The teams that make sense, which

946
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 4: is anybody in the NFC that isn't set a quarterback,

947
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: which is the majority of the NFC.

948
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

949
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did the Falcons last week like that parrotrupim

950
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: into that Orlando Orlando, but didn't know as roster as

951
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: well as I think maybe you'd expect somebody to be

952
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: Orlando to have command of that right now. De Orlando

953
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: would have nailed it, crushed it. Yeah, b less so less.

954
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: So, you know what, It's interesting. Peter King this morning

955
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 3: in his Football Morning in America talked about the archaic,

956
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: stupid NFL's assistence on keeping the archaic funding rule for contracts. Yeah, yes,

957
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous. Still get rid of it.

958
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. From the so Zach Taylor spoke

959
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: today down in Cincinnati. Yeah, and they're the one thing

960
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: about them is because people always point to the Higgins deal,

961
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: you got to get the Higgins deal done, they don't.

962
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: He's still under contract. They could just play that out

963
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: with Higgins this year and shoot.

964
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: For the moon with this group.

965
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: It's a risky proposition obviously, because you could get a

966
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: nice return from him right now if you were trying

967
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: to be involved in that. I see no scenario where

968
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: Higgins isn't playing for them next year and that they

969
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: don't go all in and try to make it now.

970
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if they do.

971
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: A long term with him or what that looks like,

972
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: but they've got a lot of irons in the fire

973
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: right now.

974
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: Down there.

975
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: Is interesting because it is you've got to keep that

976
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: group together. You just got to figure out a way

977
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 4: to make it happen.

978
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 2: Yes, it's also weird, like they slim mixing on the roster,

979
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: like it's just a really well.

980
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 4: That I don't understand why that's happening.

981
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 2: No, and nor do people down there. Yeah, they don't

982
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: understand it either, So that that thing's hanging out, and

983
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: so there's just a lot of things that are floating

984
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: around when it when it comes to that operation, there's

985
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: a lot more to get to by the way around

986
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: the league. We will do that coming up at the

987
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: top will turn our attention to New England as well.

988
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: Lots of stuff coming up here. In the second hour

989
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: of the program, you listened to Cleveland Browns Daily brought

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996
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Speaker 2: of your Cleveland Browns. A couple other things around the league.

997
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker requesting a trade. That was he the guy

998
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: we said he was the guy We said that we

999
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: would take off their team in Arizona. I think we

1000
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: said so. They're talking about it too though. Right for

1001
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker, Yeah, I don't know how that would pretty

1002
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: rock out.

1003
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 4: And again that's comes with a big salary, and we've

1004
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: got our two starting safeties. We're looking for a third

1005
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: safety on the cheap. We're not looking for now. Buddha

1006
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 4: Baker would be our best safety. Yeah, obviously, I just

1007
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 4: don't you You can't have everything. It is not it

1008
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 4: is not truly fantasy football, you cannot have everything.

1009
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we it felt like that around here

1010
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: because we all of our so many of our guys

1011
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: were on rookie contracts. Yeah, you know, like when you

1012
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: hit your starting quarterback was on a rookie contract. Your

1013
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: running backs are on rookie contracts. Miles on a rookie

1014
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: contract and Sells on a rocky contract. That makes it

1015
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: a lot easier, and it's really easy to go big

1016
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: game hunting. You can't really do that now.

1017
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: By the way, Chosen Anderson has signed with the Dolphins

1018
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 4: on a one year deal. Formerly Robbie Anderson.

1019
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't.

1020
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad you clarified, because I don't know who they

1021
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: hell Chosen is now going by Robbie Anderson's with the

1022
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: Dolphins too.

1023
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 4: Chosen Anderson is.

1024
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: Yes, that feels like just an embarrassment of riches.

1025
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 4: He's got a little bit of speed. I mean, didn't

1026
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: do much to be fair in Arizona.

1027
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: So no, but I mean that was post Kyler.

1028
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. By the way, have you seen the uh

1029
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: the greatest before we get onto a couple more of these,

1030
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 4: the greatest nil deal ever.

1031
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is my world, so I've seen some

1032
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: good ones. What's what is as you clarify at the best.

1033
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: Bijon Mustardson, it's the official djeon of bjon Jon.

1034
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: Here's what I don't know about NIL. And I asked

1035
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: all my buddies in Columbus about all this all the time,

1036
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: because I just don't know what is the ROI for

1037
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: a company on investing heavily in an nineteen to twenty

1038
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: one year old to move your product. I understand that

1039
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: that's not what NIL is about right now. Right now,

1040
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: NIL is about I am a big swing and you

1041
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: know what, and I will go help Big State. You

1042
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: get the player that I want, yep, and he's my guy.

1043
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

1044
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: I mean, it's old school booster stuff, that's all it is.

1045
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: It's now just above board. But in terms of like absolutely,

1046
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: But in terms of like, if you own a car

1047
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 2: dealership and you give a bunch of Ohio State football

1048
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: and basketball players cars to drive around, is that driving

1049
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: business to your dealership? I think it's possible. It's possible.

1050
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: I don't know, I ask, I don't have an answer

1051
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 3: for I don't know.

1052
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 2: I would.

1053
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an awareness play more than anything else.

1054
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: An awareness play, but in terms of direct getting your

1055
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: money back, I don't know what that is.

1056
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: No, I think you're buying some experiences. Yeah, be my

1057
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: guess that's part of what you're doing. And then yeah,

1058
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're hoping to make that money back from

1059
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: the biz and the standpoint, But you have to look

1060
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 4: at that on some level as a lost leader, like, sure, that's.

1061
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: Just what it is.

1062
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably pretty fun for those people that have

1063
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: the necessary means, necessary means to do it.

1064
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: I guess it is. It's working right now for everybody

1065
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: in that sense, except for the coaches who have to

1066
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: try to wrap their heads around it. Brock Perty did

1067
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 2: an interview with Yahoo Sports over the weekend, no longer

1068
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: wearing a brace and is surgically repaired, throwing our meeting

1069
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: as recovery is going well, but the seventh round. In

1070
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: the seventh paragraph, the author drops this bombshell that remains

1071
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 2: an early step in recovery party, saying Friday he's not

1072
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: really sure, honestly whether he'll play in twenty twenty threeh.

1073
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: So this got totally lost in things. Yeah, and I

1074
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: had to go back. I'm like, all, well, let me

1075
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: go back and look at the Yahoo article and I'm like, yeah,

1076
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 3: according to at all, I don't know. Maybe it's much

1077
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: you do about.

1078
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 4: Nothing to put their elbows back together and throw and

1079
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: see how it goes.

1080
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: But I mean that's not ideal for the forty nine ers.

1081
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if in an ideal world do

1082
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: they even want him to play right or do they

1083
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: want Trey Lance, who they gave all that up to,

1084
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: or do they believe in Donald who the hell knows?

1085
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 4: Rock Party again was very mister irrelevant. But it's going

1086
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: to take some I think before he's crowned. It's going

1087
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 4: to mean a little bit more of a sample set,

1088
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 4: but very impressive. He was as good as anybody.

1089
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: We never really got to see Lance play. No, was

1090
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: hurt right away, so you don't know what Yeah, and

1091
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: he's still really young, so you don't know what that

1092
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: can be.

1093
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 4: Is a gangster? Yes?

1094
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1095
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins recently provided some unspoken clues as four possible

1096
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: destinations from his All Things Covered podcast and strut to

1097
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: share his opinion on joining a given team based solely

1098
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: on Bobby language. Yeah, Hopkins asked about four teams Patriots, No,

1099
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: of course he would have it Bills, Yes, of course

1100
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: quarterback Jets no Chiefs, Yes, I keeps. I would if

1101
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: I were him and I could find my way to

1102
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: Kansas City, I would go do that.

1103
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: Why not?

1104
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: Why not? Would go do that? And I would sort

1105
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: that out? Was that?

1106
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: Who's the other guy?

1107
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: I just said to do that to anybody that's received.

1108
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: There was a receiver who we were wondering, oh is Odell.

1109
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: Then he ended up getting seventeen million somehow, which is

1110
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: still amazing to me that he pulled that off. But yeah,

1111
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: go go there and catch passes from Patrick Mahomes and

1112
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 2: prove your worth and then away you go. Hard to believe.

1113
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: Eleven days until Night one of the NFL Draft. Here's

1114
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: some notes from Peter King's Football Morning in America. Peter

1115
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: writes Tyree Wilson, the Texas tech pass rusher, might be

1116
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: in competition with Will Anderson for the top defensive prospect

1117
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: on Houston's draft board. That could mean something if the

1118
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: Texans aren't quite as smitten with c. J. Stroud as

1119
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: the mock draft world thinks. So we've heard this a

1120
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: lot coming out of Houston that they are not as

1121
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: enamored with. Apparently they like Bryce Young according to reports.

1122
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: I think it's all nonsense. Well if they did, then

1123
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: you blew it. You blew it boy.

1124
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: Like we was going that game, Yeah, that somebody was

1125
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: going to have to run out of their own ends

1126
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 4: on to tape for the safety to lose the game

1127
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 4: to nothing. And instead they're out there throwing haymakers back

1128
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 4: and forth. And now neither one of them is an

1129
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 4: ideal position.

1130
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: It appears like the ideal position.

1131
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like rain.

1132
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: That looks a little that's wintery mix.

1133
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: Say wintry mix. That's a great way to put it. Yeah,

1134
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: we'll have.

1135
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 4: Severe light listen. I will not compare.

1136
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: Lacrosse tonight at eight thirty NBC where playing Lakewood at

1137
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 2: eight thirty tonight in a dome Hudson turf.

1138
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, going down to like thirty five tonight.

1139
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, imagine a bunch of little fifth graders busting

1140
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: from Lakewoods to play cheets.

1141
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 4: What are we doing?

1142
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, freezing, I guess doing.

1143
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: Are Lakewood and Hudson in the same conference?

1144
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: I have no idea. There just probably aren't that many

1145
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 2: teams that play. Yeah, and a lot of the West

1146
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: Side teams are a little bit behind the East Side

1147
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: teams on lack, so I think that they're trying to

1148
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: get games and while they can early on in the season.

1149
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 4: It's crazy to me that people who went to the

1150
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 4: Cavs game on Saturday at six pm probably went in shorts.

1151
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 4: You could have won a jersey with no sleeves if

1152
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: you were comfortable doing that parading around. And then the

1153
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 4: people who go to the Cavs game on Tomorrow night

1154
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 4: are going to be like bundled up like it's the

1155
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 4: middle of winter.

1156
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: Saturday night, seven thirty, I watched NBC play lacrosse in

1157
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 2: shorts and a T shirt. Tonight I will watching play

1158
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: lacrosse in a winter jacket and gloves some Canadian goose.

1159
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah that's how that's good.

1160
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: Pool time today. No, oh my god.

1161
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: I remember to turn that sucker down.

1162
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 3: You gotta turn that down.

1163
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, get that.

1164
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: Seat right now?

1165
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: What do you? And uh?

1166
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 4: Nick Kazario was spoke today and said that you know

1167
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 4: they're they're they're willing to listen for people at number two.

1168
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: If you truly had all of your eggs in one

1169
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: quarterback basket and all you had to do was lose

1170
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 4: a game, you lose the game. Yeah, and if you don't.

1171
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: You don't, then you're an idiot. You're an idiot, then

1172
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 4: you sir, I love you, But you're not serious people.

1173
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: No, you're not serious people. By the way, the if

1174
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: you do like one of these other quarterbacks, what is

1175
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: the point of all of this nonsense? Like if you do,

1176
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: if you actually like CJ. Stroud, why would you say

1177
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: we're open for business now if you're Houston, just quickly

1178
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 2: to do the other side of it. If you're Houston,

1179
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: what if you say, we're taking will Anderson at two

1180
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: or we're trading out at two, would be ideal right

1181
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: to Indian Then you still get win Will Anderson. So

1182
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: we trade out it, we trade out of two, we

1183
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: go back to four wherever, and we'll set out quarterback

1184
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 2: this year and next year we're gonna be one of

1185
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: the worst teams in the league again and next This

1186
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: is what the situation the Browns were in, right, You

1187
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: pick at the top of the draft and back to

1188
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: back drafts, and you hope you hit on him.

1189
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: Next year.

1190
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: You look at Caleb Williams, and you look at Drake May,

1191
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: and you look at maybe Quinn Ewers, and you look

1192
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: at these other kids that could be available, and you

1193
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: say that is a quarterback heavy draft. That is a

1194
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: loaded quarterback draft. Can you play that game?

1195
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: Now? We tried.

1196
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 2: We got Miles's a thing they needed. It's really brutal

1197
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: the spot there, but that would be the counter. If

1198
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: they don't go quarterback now, then the counter would be

1199
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: there going it next year and they're going to plan

1200
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: on being bad. Jalen Carter had two visits its top

1201
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: ten teams left before the Wednesday deadline. This is from

1202
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: Drew Rosenhouse. He said the most perfect fit for Carter

1203
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: Peter Peter King, saying that it's a trade up to

1204
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: seventeen to get him there.

1205
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 3: There are reports that if Carter were to fall, and

1206
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: it would, he'd have to fall past Seattle, but Seattle

1207
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: seems smitten with him. If he were to like fall

1208
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 3: to nine, but the Squealers might make a play to

1209
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: go up and get him.

1210
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: No, thanks, next, Yeah, we don't need that.

1211
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: I don't need him playing next to Cam Heyward. And yeah,

1212
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: he's probably the best defensive lineman in this draft, most complete.

1213
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: Obviously the off field stuff that happened amidst all that tragedy,

1214
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: but holy cow, from a talent standpoint, you don't need that. No,

1215
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: this might sound crazy, Peter Wright. So I'm not sure

1216
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: how many teams will be aggresive and trying to move

1217
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: up for Bryce Young goes first?

1218
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 4: Why is he getting slandered all of a sudden.

1219
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: I have no idea, no idea. What did he do?

1220
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: Like he had a great pro day, he was great

1221
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: against Georgia, he was great at I felt like Carolina

1222
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: Carolina was draft I was like, I can't wait to play. Yeah,

1223
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: and now I don't know. No, nobody wants c j

1224
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: st Okay, if you're Carolina, you don't have to be

1225
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: Coy just be like this, who are drafting? Stop us?

1226
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: Can't we picked first?

1227
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 4: I understand why there isn't more of that. That's what

1228
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 4: I would do, or picking Bryce Young.

1229
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: I always think it's like I understand they have to

1230
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: do it, like for the drama of TV, but like

1231
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: on the Trevor Lawrence here, why didn't Jacksonville just have

1232
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: a sixteen Jersey Lawrence and have it ready? The second

1233
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: commissioner says, the Jaguars around the clock, why don't you

1234
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: just walk up do the I mean, go, yeah, this

1235
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: is our guy, Like there is no doubt we're not

1236
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: working the phones like it's done.

1237
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna save hours of manpower and effort. Watch

1238
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: them watch this.

1239
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't get it.

1240
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 3: I don't either.

1241
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 4: I mean, and it's funny like all this stuff like

1242
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: Tyree Wilson or will like, okay, so what from a

1243
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 4: brown standpoint.

1244
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: We'll see a Friday night.

1245
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: So yeah late, Yeah, you're seventy four. Yeah, when when

1246
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: does that hit?

1247
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 3: Like about nine?

1248
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: As I say, ten o'clock feels like the Mayau Dolphins

1249
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: of zero picks in the top fifty two in the

1250
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: top one to ninety.

1251
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: I guess that's why they go on get chosen.

1252
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't care like I find them.

1253
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: I don't care.

1254
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go.

1255
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 4: So they got Yeah, they got Jalen Ramsey, they got

1256
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: Tyreek Kill.

1257
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: They got stuff. They got stuff for it man. Yeah,

1258
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: uh twenty five. I'd be curious who wrote this. Peter

1259
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: brings us up twenty five years ago the spring ESPN

1260
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: wrote Come twenty eighteen, Ryan Leaf, not Manning was shredding

1261
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: up to a podium in Canton. Pretty amazing that twenty

1262
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: five years later it's the opposite. And I'm really curious.

1263
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: I wonder who from ESPN wrote that there were a

1264
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: lot of people who thought that, like Jim Rolean thought

1265
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: that beef was gonna be great. Yeah, a lot of

1266
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: Jim rome I remember being very emphatic, big Leaf guy.

1267
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: But I'd be very curious, like who at ESPN wrote that,

1268
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: because that's cold takes exposed about as good as it

1269
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: gets right there. To have it play out exactly twenty

1270
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: five years later, it went the other way. Did you

1271
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 2: see arch Manning over the weekend his spring game debut

1272
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: at Texas?

1273
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 4: I said something, the highlights, fine, but so he's didn't

1274
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 4: He's not years to win it.

1275
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: Yours is going to start that secutters at a highest state.

1276
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 4: Right, it was like the number one quarterback of the country.

1277
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: They both well, he was one year and then Banning

1278
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: was the next.

1279
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 4: Are you surprised that they're going with you?

1280
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: No, I'm more surprised that arch Manning chose to put

1281
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 2: his football career in the hands of Steve Sarkesian. That's

1282
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: the most surprising to I have no idea. I think

1283
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,479
Speaker 2: he loved it from the time he was a kid,

1284
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: and I mean there's pictures of him in like a

1285
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: Texas T shirt when he was a little kid. Like

1286
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: holy how Like, I mean I would go to a

1287
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: place where I knew I had some a more stable situation,

1288
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: like Texas been a mess for a long time. Why

1289
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't he have just gone to I don't know, Alabama? Well,

1290
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: that was always my theory that the because the Mannings

1291
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: were close with are close with Saban, Like they've done

1292
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff with him on like their Manning

1293
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: cat stuff and the Manning TV show stuff they do.

1294
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I had an ole miss in Tennessee.

1295
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: They don't want to go to Alabama, I guess, I guess,

1296
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: And the old man went to old Miss right, and

1297
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: then his old nan went told So, I mean all

1298
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: that is all, but I don't know Bryce Young's done.

1299
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: He comes in, he's at Alvinson for a year and

1300
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: then go like if they needed him to sit But yeah,

1301
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a lot for me that that

1302
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: he trusted all of that to go to Texas.

1303
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, wonder what although you mentioned yours, like it's

1304
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: possible yours is a top pick for sure.

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Speaker 2: Arm talent, from what I understood, you know, not the

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Speaker 2: best when it comes to study, habits, well, attention to detail.

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Speaker 4: That would be in the NFL.

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so incredible arm talent, but some of the other

1309
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: stuff was lacking. And maybe he's matured, who knows, but

1310
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Speaker 2: that stuff was not up to stuff a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago.

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Speaker 3: That I can assure you.

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Speaker 2: All right, we continue our tour around the National Football

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Speaker 2: League in New England with the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: That is coming up next.

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Speaker 2: Just to Cleveland Browns Daily on a fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: NFL in New England and the Patriots, Bob soci you

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Speaker 2: going to join us here momentarily uniforms. They brought the

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Speaker 2: path the Patriot back as an alternate.

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Speaker 3: This year.

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Speaker 4: You're down, yeah, change the stripe on it over the

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01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 4: shoulders the way to the angles of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I think their current stuff's bad. I think that Drew

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 4: bloodsoe ear stuff is bad. I think the only thing

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Speaker 4: that is good is pat the Patriot. Pat Patriot is great.

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Speaker 4: That's just what they should wear, Pats, Patriot Home, pat

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01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 4: Patriot Road.

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01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you wanted to do a Navy version of

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01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: it too, just do a Navy version of it. If

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01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: you wanted a Navy uniform but you had some success

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01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: in Navy, fine do it that way. But this is

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: it's just a no brainer to not get that thing right.

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01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: It is my favorite. It's it's a great, great uniform.

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01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: It's really cool and the red looks awesome. It's just

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01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: it's a very very strong uniform.

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Speaker 3: Stadium Gillette, I've never been.

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01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: I've been.

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 4: I was rained on, it was cold.

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Speaker 3: The last three times we've played there has been complete

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01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: and utter garbage from a weather standpoint.

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Speaker 4: Any and really from a performance standpoint, right that.

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01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 3: You would be agreed, you would. Yeah, you weren't there

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: for one of them.

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01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 4: I was there. I wasn't there for the debacle. That's

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01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 4: when I had COVID. So here's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Well from a radio and TV standpoint, Yeah, like you've

1358
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: got to walk through the stands. You gotta walk through

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01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: the fans to get to radio rep. Yeah, squeeze, it's

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01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 3: one long table.

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: It's you have to walk through fans.

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01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you gotta walk through the concourse with the

1363
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Speaker 3: gear and everything.

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh really, there's no way to load in like private

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01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: elevator or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Right, nope, whoever.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we were just talking to somebody said

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01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 4: that stadium was not great. I've never thought it was good,

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01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: but I thought it's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of different. Yeah, it's fine.

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01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 4: I mean it's doesn't it just like show up kind

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Speaker 4: of like the bills one or a might confusing them

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Speaker 4: in the middle of like the.

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Speaker 3: Bill side and the bills about Yeah.

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01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 4: Where's this It's kind of got like development around it.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's all there. It's Patriot.

1377
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, situation, it's like an outdoor like Crocker Park. It's

1378
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: a giant ball are Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Road trip, sure, you go long ways though to drive

1380
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: if you're going to actually road trip at drive it

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01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: it's a full day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a hype.

1384
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 3: And you got to figure are you are you staying

1385
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: in Boston? I'm assuming you probably are, but don't go

1386
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: to sleep on a little providence Rhode Island.

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Speaker 4: That's where we stay with.

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01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, great food scene, great little nightlife, some epic moments

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 3: maybe yeah from that consequential moments. Yeah, the.

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01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't you don't want to do that's

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01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: the thing that's hard, Like you can't. You can, but

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01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: you don't want to, like be in Foxborough, you'd want

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: to be in Boston, or you'd want to be in

1394
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: and do it that way. I love Boston as a city.

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: I think it's great. I've had I've only been there once.

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01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: It was for like five or six days, and it

1397
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: was great town, great food, great history.

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Speaker 3: Loved it.

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Speaker 2: Must thing to do on a road trip. I mean

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Speaker 2: the Boston stuff speaks for itself just from a historical standpoint.

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01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean that's totally into a I mean there's all

1402
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: i mean, the universities that are there. It's it's stunning

1403
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: this stuff in the history that's there.

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 4: So that's tea parties.

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01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's go.

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01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great player you want from their current roster,

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01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: not Mac Jones, No, no, not. There's got to be

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01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: somebody defensively that I'm like Matthew.

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 4: Jud jud Judan, Kyle Duggar. Yeah, probably Matthew Judon's I

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01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 4: think I think that's an excellent call about you.

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01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's probably the answer on that because they're

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01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: they're not it's not a lot, they're not exactly had

1413
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: he was a beast.

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01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a lot of sacks last year. Judan

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01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 4: is probably the answer. Yeah, get that pass Rusher. Duggers

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: are quite good. Yes, let's see hold in jude On

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 4: last year. Yeah, fifteen and a half sacks, four time pro,

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 4: four straight Pro bowlers. He's at twelve and a half

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: and fifteen and a half the last two years. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: give me, give me Judah, that's.

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Speaker 3: The guy you need.

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Speaker 2: Their all time favorite Patriot Jeff George Nope, not bad,

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01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: not bad.

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01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 4: I loved or run the Moss when he was Patriot,

1425
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 4: But I mean I love his Viking.

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's fun everywhere.

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Speaker 2: He's fun everywhere. But as apex him and for anybody

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: who was a fan of his, like I mean I was,

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01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: you were like people our age because he was like

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: the same age as us. That was like Randy Moss justification,

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like because it would have been rough, you know,

1432
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: like it wasn't It was the Vikings glory and then

1433
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: I think he was in the Raiders after it was

1434
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 2: really not great, and then you kind of were wondering,

1435
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: like is his career going to Peter like is this it?

1436
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: And then he goes to New England and plays with

1437
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: that offense and Tom and it just goes bananas and

1438
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: he was ridiculous that year. To me, it's the second best.

1439
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: And I know Megatron had a monster year. I think

1440
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 2: that the Moss year is the second best receiving year

1441
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: that year, with the exception of the Jerry.

1442
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 4: Rice where he had like twenty six touchdowns or whatever.

1443
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: You Jerry Rice had the one year where he was

1444
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: absolutely crazy and then the Moss year was in seven

1445
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: was ridiculous.

1446
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 4: Right, So Jerry Rice's best year with the Niners, I

1447
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 4: mean Jerry Rice. I don't Again, I don't know how

1448
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 4: many people realize this that at the age of forty

1449
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 4: with the Oakland Raiders, at the age of forty with

1450
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 4: the Oakland Raiders, he had twelve ninety two, twelve eleven

1451
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 4: and seven at the age of forty.

1452
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: That's right, the year you're referring to. I'm guessing, well,

1453
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 2: hold on now, I think.

1454
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 4: So he has an in eighty six, he's got eighty

1455
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 4: six catches, fifteen seventy and fifteen averaged eighteen point three

1456
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 4: catch The next year he has sixty five for ten

1457
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 4: seventy eight and twenty two touchdowns.

1458
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: One I think, but.

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Speaker 4: It's only one thousand and seventy eight.

1460
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 3: I think it's in.

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: Games over twelve game, twelve game, that's the year. So

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: he averaged twelve game, ninety yards a game that year. Yeah,

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01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: And so Randy's year that I'm talking about in New

1464
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: England is ninety eight for fifteen hundred and twenty three.

1465
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was his what was his yards per game there?

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 4: Basically one hundred right, yeah, yeah, yeah, ninety eight that's it.

1467
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 4: In twenty three, Yeah, so he is ninety three point three.

1468
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: So their yards per game not too dissimilar. Randy had

1469
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: a year in Minnesota where he was seventy seven for

1470
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: fourteen thirty seven, eighteen point seven a reception, eleven yards

1471
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: of target. His rookie year, he was nineteen yards of reception,

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01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,440
Speaker 2: seventeen touchdowns, sixty nine for thirteen thirteen.

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Speaker 4: Two thousand and three, one eleven, sixteen, thirty two and

1474
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 4: seventeen touchdowns. Yeah, he led the league in receiving touchdowns

1475
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 4: on five occasions. Do you know he never led the

1476
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 4: league in.

1477
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: Receiving yards yeah, wild right, Yeah that he didn't playoff team. No. Look,

1478
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: they're in a tough spot. They're just in a really

1479
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: weird spot as a franchise. I don't Yeah, I'm very

1480
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 2: curious what the temperature of it is. And when you're

1481
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 2: curious about the temperature of things in New England, he

1482
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 2: took your call on Bobbis, so he will join us.

1483
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: Coming up next. You listen to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by bally Bet, coming

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Speaker 1: soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 2: it Twisted, Cleveland for some perspective on the New England Patriots.

1493
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 2: We're doing it for every team in the league heading

1494
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 2: into the off season and what we're in the off season,

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: and for the Patriots, we go to the voice of

1496
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots, Bob SoC joining us. Bob, thank you so

1497
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 2: much for taking the time. You look at this AFC East,

1498
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: and this is an AFC East that the Patriots dominated

1499
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 2: for the longest of times, and you look at it

1500
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: now and you see what has gone on in Buffalo

1501
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: and the contender that they are, the Jets seem close

1502
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: to adding air and Rodgers if that ever happens in

1503
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: Miami is really really good from a talent standpoint. Where

1504
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: are the Patriots in the pecking order in the East

1505
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: as you sit here on April seventeenth.

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 4: Last is the answer that you're looking for.

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: Bob, your voice is eerily similar to Nathan Zuguraz. Yes,

1508
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: the covoice of the Cleveland Browns.

1509
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 4: Nothing really works as well as be Orlando ledbetter did

1510
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 4: I don't know that, but was the best part of it.

1511
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 4: It's ass and that's something that I'm curious to get

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01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 4: his take on that it's not something that they have

1513
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 4: faced in New England and who knows how long, And

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01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 4: not only that, the questions around the quarterback, the questions

1515
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 4: you know, with the head coach. There's a lot to

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01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 4: dive into, and that feels like the next five years

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01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 4: are as uncertain for the Patriots as they've been in twenty.

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could. God, I could probably go

1519
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: before they acquired Drew Bledsoe, Yeah, as the number one

1520
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: pick in the draft, because once you draft Bledsoe, they

1521
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: had that run with Parcels where they got to a

1522
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and then Bloodsoe begat Brady. So that's been

1523
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 2: that way for a long time where you had real

1524
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: certainty in the position, and they were obviously hoping that

1525
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: mac Jones would be next in line there, but I

1526
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 2: don't know that we've seen that.

1527
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that you.

1528
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 2: Have in the first couple of years there, and so yeah,

1529
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: it's kind of an interesting spot for them.

1530
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 4: So that's thirty years. He was drafted one overall in

1531
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety three. Thirty years.

1532
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for thirty years they've had an idea of

1533
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: what they were either building towards or what they were

1534
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: sure and the majority of that time what they were

1535
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: was a Super Bowl contender. Because after Brady wins it

1536
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: in year two, So from year two with Brady until

1537
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: Brady's done, they're a contender totally with bloods. They're a

1538
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 2: contender for half of those, right, but they're in the

1539
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,799
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in ninety six, but they were a contender

1540
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: for the rest of that time until there's the divorce

1541
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 2: at the top hundred percent. So yeah, they they've been

1542
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: in the mix for a really, really long time as

1543
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: an organization, yea. And what does it look like when

1544
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: you're not and how do you pursue that? And it's

1545
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: been Belichick there for a very very long time with

1546
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 2: Bob Kraft and this hasn't gone well since at the

1547
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: end of Brady didn't go well, and then it hasn't

1548
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 2: gone well, you know, since.

1549
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 4: No and it's we talk about it hasn't gone well.

1550
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 4: And yet you know, you look at the RelA it's

1551
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 4: all relative. I was gonna say, all relative. They've still

1552
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 4: been a fairly solid team eight and nine. Last year

1553
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 4: in mac Jones's rookie season twenty twenty one, they go

1554
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 4: ten and seven, and then I think those Brady's last

1555
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 4: are seven and nine. Was that was in the year

1556
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 4: before that, which was Cam Newton Brian Hoyer at the

1557
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 4: quarterback for them. So yeah, but still as as wild

1558
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 4: as it sounds, They're exactly five hundred over the last

1559
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 4: three seasons, which is not what the Patriot it's due.

1560
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 4: They're twelve and four the year before Brady's last season

1561
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, but they were They've been five hundred,

1562
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 4: which not too shabby.

1563
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: No, but they do not feel.

1564
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 4: Like a team that is going anywhere of consequence, nor

1565
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 4: has it's set up that they will that that will

1566
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,799
Speaker 4: change anytime soon. Like, I don't see them becoming anything

1567
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 4: other and again, Aaron Rodgers taking forever as we surmise

1568
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 4: that it might. I don't see any way for them

1569
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 4: to get out of number four in the division anytime soon.

1570
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 2: Either. They're learning a very hard lesson that if you

1571
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 2: don't have a dude at quarterback, you're not really going anywhere.

1572
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 4: Oh, welcome to the real world.

1573
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: That's the real world. Like that's the real truth. Yeah,

1574
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: that is the real truth, Bootsy. Like you know, when

1575
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 2: you have Bledsoe into Brady, you're a super Bowl champion

1576
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: always right, you view that that's where you're that's your

1577
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: point of that you're pointing towards. And when you don't,

1578
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: you're relentlessly trying to find that guy you have to.

1579
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 4: And I think that. That's why I know a lot

1580
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 4: of people who are Patriots fans that in this Bella

1581
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 4: Brady divorce that happened, and obviously it ended up going,

1582
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 4: you know, being fine.

1583
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 2: But Belichick, on one hand, was right that they couldn't

1584
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 2: They needed to trade him and.

1585
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 4: Either roll with Garoppolo for a while or but get

1586
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 4: something for him when he when he had value, and

1587
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 4: they were not able to do that. And Belichick was

1588
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 4: thinking about the long term success of the program and

1589
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 4: of himself. But it's why so many Patriots fans are

1590
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 4: upset with that organization because the truth is, if you

1591
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: have to make a decision between a quarterback and a coach,

1592
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 4: you have to choose the quarterback. But Brady was already

1593
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 4: in his forties, so it was it was, it was

1594
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 4: a difficult situation, but it has left them in a

1595
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 4: position where it is unlikely that there is you know,

1596
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 4: a quick or easy fix for them.

1597
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's interesting because you could make an argument they

1598
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: were both right. Belichick was right that they probably should

1599
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: have traded him when they had value because they would

1600
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: have netted the return that you you know, three ones.

1601
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: Like imagine if Brady's on the open market in his

1602
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: late thirties, coming off of a Super Bowl appearance. What

1603
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 2: that would have looked like had you traded him, let

1604
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 2: alone when they when they still had Garoppolo, like they

1605
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: would have traded him then and done that transition out

1606
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: of Garoppolo. So in that sense, Belichick's right. Belichick's wrong,

1607
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,480
Speaker 2: and that he thought Brady was done before Brady was done, well, yeah,

1608
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 2: because they they were still he was still good.

1609
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 4: They won it in sixteen and eighteen, They won in fourteen,

1610
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 4: sixteen and eighteen, and they went twelve and four in

1611
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 4: nineteen and then Brady leaves and goes and wins in

1612
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 4: right Tampa.

1613
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the biggest thing for Belichick is that the

1614
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: end of Brady and now being exposed even more so

1615
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: now Belichick the GM undoes, Belichick the coach. Yeah, skill positions,

1616
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: that's just the reality of it. He can't draft him,

1617
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 2: He's never really been able to, and so that's the

1618
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 2: spot there. Then last year they do the ill advice

1619
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: like Matt Patricia's the offensive coordinator for god's sakes, I mean,

1620
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: that's a disaster, but he's doing it. So they do

1621
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: get Bill O'Brien to come be the coordinator. He was

1622
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator at Alabama the last couple of years,

1623
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: longtime Patriot assistant before that or prior to that. After that,

1624
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 2: he goes to Penn State and kind of lifts that program,

1625
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 2: no not, kind of absolutely lifts that program out of

1626
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 2: the end of paternal which is a disaster. And then

1627
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 2: he goes to the Texans where he answers to nobody

1628
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 2: for all those years but had some really good seasons.

1629
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, and that was kind of part of it.

1630
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 4: Last year, they didn't have any cohesion on the staff.

1631
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 4: They didn't have in terms of we didn't have an

1632
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator who's calling the plays quarterbacks, kind of split

1633
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 4: the locker room when Zapi came in and played so

1634
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 4: well against us. Your point about him the GM though,

1635
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 4: is so right. But it's still crazy that despite that

1636
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 4: his inability to draft well, he's still one hundred and

1637
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 4: fifty four games over five hundred as the head coach

1638
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 4: of the New England Patriots in the regular season. I

1639
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 4: mean that is just a stunning, stunning number. That's like

1640
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 4: basically going undefeated for ten seasons.

1641
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we think we got the phone sorted out,

1642
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: So let's head out about on the twisted Tea Hard

1643
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: iced Tea Hotline official sponsor of your Cleveland Browns, Keep

1644
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 2: It Twisted Cleveland. The Voice of the Patriots, Bob so

1645
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: Se joining us. Bob, we were just kind of going

1646
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 2: through everything that's gone on there and I'll pose the

1647
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: question you again now hopefully that we have you on

1648
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: and that is pecking order in the AFC East. Where

1649
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: did the Patriots fall?

1650
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 5: Well, guys, first, it's going to be with you, and second,

1651
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 5: I had a chance to hear a bit of what

1652
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 5: you were saying. The only thing you need to drop

1653
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 5: a few rs, be a little more abrasive, and bring

1654
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 5: in some callers from like Quinsy And it sounds a

1655
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 5: lot like our sports talk radio these days. But yeah,

1656
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 5: a sense of where the Patriots are. I think they're

1657
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 5: kind of in a spot where some might say limbo,

1658
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 5: some would say a transitional phase. That was actually a

1659
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,440
Speaker 5: term that was used during the spring at the owners meetings.

1660
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 5: I think that they're they're in a difficult place. You

1661
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 5: guys have really laid out coming off a sub five

1662
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 5: hundred season, not making it to the playoffs for the

1663
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 5: second time in three years, going a fourth consecutive year

1664
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 5: without a playoff game, and now with this uncertainty about

1665
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 5: the most important position in the quarterback. And then you

1666
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 5: look at the division and clearly if the Bills are

1667
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 5: still the team to beat along with the Dolphins who've

1668
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 5: only gotten better, and the real question for them, I

1669
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 5: think is as Bratts, you would agree as quarterback as well.

1670
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 5: And then you have the Jets, who were only a

1671
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 5: quarterback away from really being a factor, I think, not

1672
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 5: only in the division but in the conference with their defense.

1673
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 5: Some of the players that they have, I think with

1674
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers presuming he's there, that I think he's going

1675
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 5: to be able to take advantage of, like Garrett Wilson,

1676
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 5: who I thought was one of the better young players

1677
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 5: we've seen in the last couple of years. So, yeah,

1678
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 5: they were in a very difficult predicament right now. Bill

1679
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 5: O'Brien will help, there's no doubt about that, but they

1680
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 5: haven't really done a whole lot to substantially improve in

1681
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 5: other ways with their player personnel. You trade out Jacobe

1682
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 5: Meyer as you bring in Juju Smith Schuster, yep. And

1683
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 5: that's a bit of an upgrade for some, but not

1684
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 5: much of one.

1685
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 4: When we sit here and you know last year when

1686
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots came to Cleveland and unfortunately put it on

1687
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 4: is pretty good. They did so with Bailey Zappy, and

1688
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 4: it just feels like from somebody who's not immersed in

1689
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 4: this every day as you are, the people either just

1690
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 4: don't like mac Jones, either in that locker room or

1691
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 4: that there's something missing with him. What is your perception

1692
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 4: of the mac Jones situation. What's kind of the real

1693
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 4: truth about what they want to do. There's rumors that

1694
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 4: are going to trade him, they are looking to trade him.

1695
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 4: What's going on there with their quarterback?

1696
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really been a remarkable situation for him in

1697
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 5: a fall from grace that I don't think anybody could

1698
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 5: have predicted, even for people that doubted whether the ceiling

1699
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 5: was high for him beyond what he showed in his

1700
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 5: rookie season. When you go back to two years ago,

1701
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 5: comes in, you know, not only does he win ten

1702
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 5: games as the quarterback as a rookie, he unseats Cam

1703
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 5: Newton number one. And I know Newton, you know, certainly

1704
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 5: was nowhere near what he'd been in twenty fifteen. But

1705
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,959
Speaker 5: he's still the incumbent. He's still a guy that Belichick

1706
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 5: brought back the Belichick had stayed with through thick and thin,

1707
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 5: mostly thin in twenty twenty, and here's the rookie comes

1708
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 5: in and has to grasp the complex offense, and he

1709
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 5: takes what they give him in the spring, and he's

1710
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 5: able to handle everything they put on his plate. It

1711
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 5: speeds up his process and his progress. He comes out,

1712
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 5: he wins the job in the summer. Now they're ups

1713
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 5: and downs, but he still he stands on the same

1714
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 5: stage as Tom Brady and his homecoming to New England

1715
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 5: and only a decision to go for a field goal

1716
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 5: late in that game in the raid and fifty plus

1717
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 5: yards out takes a chance to win it out of

1718
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 5: his hands. I think about that game in particular. You know,

1719
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,759
Speaker 5: he went toe to toe with Brady, played great against

1720
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 5: Dallas high scoring offense. Patricks lose that game on the

1721
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 5: first series of overtime, and then of course they get

1722
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 5: to the playoffs and it's a bit of a struggle

1723
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 5: toward the end.

1724
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: Of the season.

1725
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 5: They get pulled out by Buffalo, but still there's a

1726
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 5: lot of promise. You go to training camp last year,

1727
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 5: Belichick keeps praise on him like never before with any quarterback,

1728
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 5: including Brady. At that stage of his career talks about

1729
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 5: how far advanced Mac is. But if you guys have documented,

1730
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 5: the Patriots set themselves back with their own decisions regarding

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 5: the offensive coaching staff and the frustration the boiled over

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01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 5: dur in the course of the season on Max part

1733
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 5: manifested itself with some things on the field, being very demonstrative, vocal,

1734
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 5: yelling on the sideline, showing up coaches, and that put

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01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 5: him in dis favor not only with Belichick, but I

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01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 5: think with a large section of the populace. And it's

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01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 5: funny to me there are people who will say, yeah,

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 5: they did everything wrong in terms of how they handled

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01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 5: him in year two. But he's got to go now too.

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01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 5: I don't think we know, and I think with O'Brien

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01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 5: still have a fair chance going into this season to

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01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 5: prove whether he's the guy or not.

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01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 3: Well, it all rests on that, right.

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01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: I Mean, we were talking, sure if you heard this

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01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 2: part of it or not, but we were talking about how,

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01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 2: my god, basically you go from Bledsoe to Brady and

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01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,879
Speaker 2: every single season you either have a Super Bowl contender

1748
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: or you believe you're building towards one. And if I

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 2: guess in fair or not. Is this the mac Jones?

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01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: What are you really year? Is this a make or

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01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 2: break year for him in the future of this offense?

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01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 5: Well, I think to a large degree it is now.

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 5: Does Bill Belichick no, still look at Matt Jones as

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01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 5: the quarterback of the future. I think, you know, based

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01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 5: on everything that's been reported this offseason, Ma's got to

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01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 5: put himself back in that position. But you know, the

1757
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 5: for me, I think, like the Patriots, their strength last

1758
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 5: year was thirty defense. Let's scored a lot of points

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 5: on defense, and they benefited, too, Franklin, from a lot

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01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,799
Speaker 5: of good luck. They faced a bunch of quarterbacks, often

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01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 5: like Jacoby in Cleveland, who were not the front line guys.

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01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 5: And you know, they're going to have to improve overall

1763
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 5: as a football team if they're to improve on their

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01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 5: record and their standing from a year ago against a

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01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 5: much better schedule. No longer being able to count the Jets,

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01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 5: for example, in the division as two near automatic wins,

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01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 5: and so it's going to fall on more than the quarterbacks.

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01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 5: And so you know, if they finished at eight and

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01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 5: nine again or nine and six, nine and eight, does

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01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,919
Speaker 5: that how do you form that judgment with Matt Jones

1771
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 5: you know, they'll still have them under the control beyond

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01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 5: this year. But I think in a way he's got

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 5: to really outshine what he you know, what he did

1774
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 5: two years ago, and I'm not sure he can do

1775
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 5: that in order to put himself back in that stead

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01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 5: with Belichick as being de in his mind.

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01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 4: And part of it when you're playing that quarterback position.

1778
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 4: We talk about it all the time on our show

1779
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 4: for the Browns, and I think, really anybody who wants

1780
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 4: to compete in the AFC, it's about weapons. You have

1781
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 4: got to have weapons. You have got to be able

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01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 4: to score. And I think that, you know, if we're

1783
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 4: being honest about it, I think mondre Stevenson is a

1784
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 4: great young back. I like him a lot. But if

1785
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 4: you look at the receiving corps, tight ends and receivers included,

1786
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: there's nobody that scares anybody. And it's hard to be

1787
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 4: in explosive offense when you got to compete with, you know,

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01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 4: the Dolphins, and you got to compete with Allen and

1789
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 4: and Aaron Rodgers led Jets seem just in your division.

1790
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 4: Forget the AFC at large. If you can't legitimately say

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01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 4: we can put thirty up, you know, every week, So

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01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 4: how do they do that?

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01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,520
Speaker 5: Well, you're asking me all questions that have been continually

1794
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 5: rehashed here that people are wondering about because there were

1795
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 5: expectations that they were going to make a significant deeal

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01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 5: you know, throughout the off season DeAndre Hopkins, would they

1797
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 5: be in on obj who else would be out there

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01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 5: in the Patriots might go out and get to try

1799
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 5: to improve their offensive weaponry. Because you're absolutely right, there

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01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 5: really is no one. I hate to use the cliche,

1801
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 5: but it certainly holds true. It holds especially true in

1802
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 5: this case. What player at the wide receiver position is

1803
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 5: causing defensive coordinators restless nights when they have to try

1804
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 5: to decide how they're going to allocate their coverage. You know,

1805
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 5: the tight end position a big disappointment for this team.

1806
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 5: Finally they traded John hue Swift and got under out

1807
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 5: of his contract. They're bringing Mike Issicki. He's a productive player,

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01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 5: he's a big wide receiver. He's been a productive player

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01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 5: in the past, but he's coming off, you know, a

1810
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 5: relatively unproductive season for him, and you look at the

1811
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 5: offensive line to go along with that. This is a

1812
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,799
Speaker 5: team that last year really suffered at right tackle, especially

1813
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 5: Isaiah Win was a number one pick. He really lost

1814
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 5: three seasons out of the five that he spelled with Patriots,

1815
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 5: either the injury or in the case of last year,

1816
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 5: a variety of reasons. When they brought in Wiley Reef

1817
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 5: and Connor McDermott is around, you know, as candidates. Otherwise

1818
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 5: there would be maybe candidates to make the roster of

1819
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 5: swing tackles. Well, now the way it stands today, they

1820
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 5: could be candidates to start at one or both positions,

1821
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 5: you know, given what happens to Trent Brown in the

1822
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 5: coming months. So there really are in a tough spot

1823
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 5: because if you say you got to have weapons, you

1824
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 5: got to be able to put up points and everything offensively.

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01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 5: Even going back to twenty twenty one with Josh McDaniels

1826
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 5: as the coordinator, m mac jones's quarterback, you know, they

1827
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 5: labored the score points. They really had to work hard.

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01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 5: Last year. It was, you know, a struggle to get

1829
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 5: first downs, let alone touchdowns. So they had a long

1830
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 5: way to go, and as we've talked about, you know,

1831
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 5: what have they done to try to make up some

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01:27:59,200 --> 01:27:59,839
Speaker 5: of that ground?

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01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: Bob, you're the best. Sorry for the trouble with the phones.

1834
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: Really appreciate you hanging in and hung uping on with us.

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01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, guys, I appreciate it. Thank you all right.

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01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 2: That's Bob soci He is the voice of the Patriots,

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01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,000
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Speaker 2: Right there you go.

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01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 3: Good to get Bob in.

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01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 2: You know, the one thing I would have liked to

1848
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: that I want to talk to, would like to I'm

1849
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: always curious about people. There Belichick's thirty wins from Shula.

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01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 4: Yep.

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01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 2: Does he get it into England?

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01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 4: Well, that's something the Craft even brought.

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01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 2: Up, you know, I mean, you get thirty like, that's

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01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 2: thirty wins though it could be at this.

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01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 4: I think as currently constructed at seven and a half

1856
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:02,719
Speaker 4: a year for four seasons.

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01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's hard.

1858
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 3: Hard to imagine that.

1859
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, next level is coming up next. Thanks

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