Speaker 1: What's that at bed? It's spooky and joy I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I'm ghosted.
Speaker 2: I guess that says, please, hey boo, it's me raz Okay.
Speaker 2: I got a good old fashioned ghosted episode for you
Speaker 2: today because I'm talking to someone that knows the shit.
Speaker 2: I am talking to one of the leading paranormal investigators
Speaker 2: in the field today from the TV show Kindred Spirits,
Speaker 2: Adam Berry. Adam was on a couple months back with
Speaker 2: Amy Bruney, who he co hosts the TV show Kindred
Speaker 2: Spirits with, and I love them both. It's my first
Speaker 2: time just having a chat with Adam by himself, and
Speaker 2: he is very funny.
Speaker 1: We had a great time and we talked about eBay dolls.
Speaker 1: But I put that part on Patreon this week Patreon
Speaker 1: dot com slash rasdrez fales link in the description of
Speaker 1: this episode. And I'm also yeah, I'm still doing weekly
Speaker 1: podcasts on there on my second tier, and I've been
Speaker 1: doing this thing where who knows how long it's gonna last.
Speaker 1: But I'm going in alphabetical order by American US states
Speaker 1: and looking at the weirdness and paranormalness of each state,
Speaker 1: and oh my god, it's really leading me to like
Speaker 1: way more weirdness, like Alaska weird, Arizona freaky, deeky. So
Speaker 1: it's been really fun and I'm learning a lot. So
Speaker 1: you could go check that out if you want. I
Speaker 1: don't have.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, my little ghost story thing that I told last week,
Speaker 1: there is there's still more to the story. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hold off just a little bit before I share much more,
Speaker 1: just because like we're still seeing what shapes out. I
Speaker 1: think it might be done. Ugh, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: talked to a medium friend of mine who was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just somebody who's just like trying to get your attention.
Speaker 1: So I was right. I think I was right. It's
Speaker 1: you know, nothing evil. But I'll have more to report,
Speaker 1: I hope. If not, I'll just conclude it soon anyway.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, my email ghosted by ras at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: I don't know how this happens. I guess somehow when
Speaker 1: you say your email publicly or I don't know which
Speaker 1: one of you sign me up for Wiener enhancement pills
Speaker 1: or whatever. There's so much junk mail. There's somebody named
Speaker 1: Steve that says they're Steve Harvey. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's that Steve Harvey, but like messaging me about car
Speaker 1: insurance and shit, like Steve Harvey hosts like eighteen TV shows.
Speaker 1: That's not who's emailing me about insurance or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: There's just so much junk in there, so I apologize that,
Speaker 1: like good emails are getting lost, but please keep sending
Speaker 1: me your ghost stories. The subject line I think helps
Speaker 1: if you put like, if you have a story that
Speaker 1: you want me to read, like, write it out all nice,
Speaker 1: like not too long, but you know, a decent amount
Speaker 1: of detail, and just write like I got a ghost
Speaker 1: story for you, or I don't know something in the
Speaker 1: subject line, something with the word ghost in it. And
Speaker 1: if you want to be in a listener episode, which
Speaker 1: I think would be fun to do, just write listener
Speaker 1: episode in the subject line and then just give me
Speaker 1: bullet points of some of the stuff that we could
Speaker 1: talk about together. That would be great. I haven't been
Speaker 1: reading ghost stories. I've pre recorded a bunch of episodes
Speaker 1: for the next few weeks. Even today's episode we recorded
Speaker 1: a couple weeks back. But I want to be reading
Speaker 1: ghost stories and or doing listener episodes, so send it
Speaker 1: on over. Anyway, Let's just get into our conversation between
Speaker 1: me and Adam because it's fun and yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that's it. So without further ado, here's me talking to
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator Adam Barry on with the show. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Adam Berry is back. Hello, Adam Barry.
Speaker 4: I am here in the flesh, drinking my coffee, ready
Speaker 4: to talk.
Speaker 3: All the tea.
Speaker 1: How are you. The last time you were here was
Speaker 1: with Amy and you guys were talking about your new
Speaker 1: season of Kindred Spirits, which is now fully aired. And
Speaker 1: now I get I get to buy yourself.
Speaker 3: I know this is exciting. I'm good.
Speaker 4: Season six was aired is one of the best seasons
Speaker 4: that we have ever done. It was so well received.
Speaker 4: People are clamoring. Like the second the finale aired. The
Speaker 4: next day, people were like, when's the next season? And
Speaker 4: I'm like, girls, we have to go out. We have
Speaker 4: to go out and like film it. We can't just
Speaker 4: like produce it out of thin air. But it's it
Speaker 4: was really great, well received and I feel like I
Speaker 4: just talked to you yesterday, but it's been at least
Speaker 4: six months, right.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It was like December or something. The last time we talked,
Speaker 1: it's been Are we still in a pandemic? I don't
Speaker 1: know what's happening. Time does has no meaning, and time
Speaker 1: is now. I know I can't keep up. But every
Speaker 1: time I talk to somebody that like, just did some
Speaker 1: a bunch of ghost hunting? Do you say ghost hunting?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that word?
Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly don't care. I mean, I guess
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter to me. We aren't hunting them.
Speaker 3: We aren't.
Speaker 4: We are looking for them, So I think investigating ghosts
Speaker 4: is more appropriate. Until they create like an actual like
Speaker 4: Ghostbusters gun that traps them in a box, we're not
Speaker 4: really hunting them.
Speaker 1: I caught me a big one.
Speaker 4: I gotta be a ghost. He's got sixteen at horns.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, I don't know. It seems very
Speaker 4: I say whatever you say, whatever you want to say,
Speaker 4: ghost hunting, paranormal investigating. Sometimes if I'm riding something, I'm like,
Speaker 4: how many times am I going to say like supernatural
Speaker 4: exploration or paranormal investigation or ghosts hunting? I mean, there's
Speaker 4: only so many ways you can label what we do.
Speaker 3: I guess for people.
Speaker 1: That it just like rolls off the tongue, like ghost hunting,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just I just like I
Speaker 1: always say that, but yeah, I'm gonna ask you. It's
Speaker 1: like when when somebody goes supernatural investigating a bunch, I'm
Speaker 1: always like, do you have any new theories or did
Speaker 1: you did you gather anything from your experiences this last
Speaker 1: time where you're like, wait a minute, now, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think this might be real or like anything of
Speaker 1: that nature for me personally?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or was it the same old ghosts doing the same
Speaker 1: old ghosts?
Speaker 3: Thing?
Speaker 4: Never is, Look, it's never the same all. If it
Speaker 4: were the same, all we'd all get bored and stop
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like they got to reinvent themselves. They're like Share, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think Share is never dying.
Speaker 4: By the way, She's just she's probably already a ghost
Speaker 4: and living her life and we don't even know it.
Speaker 1: Literally looks younger than me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she like did some sort of incantation spell at
Speaker 4: one point, and she just always exists.
Speaker 3: I think. You know, obviously, the more that we do
Speaker 3: it sometimes the less that we know.
Speaker 4: Like you have a You're like, okay, I have a
Speaker 4: grasp on whatever this situation might be. But it's always
Speaker 4: a little different it and you don't know why it's
Speaker 4: a little different, you know, Like you know.
Speaker 3: For season six, there was an episode.
Speaker 4: Where we were at the Fee house and there was
Speaker 4: a mother daughter in the house that we found out
Speaker 4: that they were in the house together there they had
Speaker 4: a crazy relationship. They were Christian scientists, and the mother
Speaker 4: died from injuries sustained because she got her dress caught
Speaker 4: on fire before a wedding and she didn't tell anyone,
Speaker 4: and they weren't going to go to the doctor, so
Speaker 4: she just went to this wedding in pain, and by
Speaker 4: the time the family realized that she had burned half
Speaker 4: of her body, it was too late, and you know,
Speaker 4: she succumbed to her injuries. Then a year later there
Speaker 4: the story is there was an argument between the daughter
Speaker 4: and her husband and some family members and the daughter
Speaker 4: ran up these stairs, grabbed poison, drank it on the steps,
Speaker 4: and died. Now, some people believe she did it on
Speaker 4: purpose because she was saying, I'm going to prove to
Speaker 4: you that I will be saved by God.
Speaker 3: I don't need any medical thing, like you know.
Speaker 4: And then some people say it was an accident, but
Speaker 4: whatever it was, this family was very rich and affluent
Speaker 4: and they kept it under wraps.
Speaker 3: We discovered during the investigation.
Speaker 4: That neither the mother nor the daughter knew that each
Speaker 4: other were in the house in a spirit form.
Speaker 3: Like in a ghost form, the daughter.
Speaker 4: Was in one side of the house and the mother
Speaker 4: was in the other, and they never crossed paths for
Speaker 4: some reason. And so we sat down and did the
Speaker 4: Estes method, but the spirit box, you know, listening to
Speaker 4: the spirit box blindfolded across from each other. Amy sat
Speaker 4: across from me and I and she used the Frank's box.
Speaker 4: I used the spirit box, and we said, you know,
Speaker 4: talk to us, have a conversation with each other, because
Speaker 4: you don't know that you're there. And it happened, and
Speaker 4: the drama that comes out of the conversation is like,
Speaker 4: you know, we realized that they were talking to each
Speaker 4: other because the mother says, do you remember and the
Speaker 4: daughter says, purple flowers. Again, this is just us hearing
Speaker 4: it out of the headphones, not knowing that we're having
Speaker 4: this converse, that we're just saying whatever we hear, and
Speaker 4: and then the mother is like, you deserved to die
Speaker 4: because of what you did, you deserved what you got,
Speaker 4: Like it was literal family drama argument.
Speaker 1: And what I was watching, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a soap opera. It's a telenovella, Eily drinking the poison, getting.
Speaker 4: Burnt, everything, everything, And so if that isn't going to
Speaker 4: blow your mind, I mean, you could be doing this
Speaker 4: for all. I mean, we've been doing this for a
Speaker 4: very long time and there are things that really, you know,
Speaker 4: shock us, and that was one of them. It was
Speaker 4: one of those instances where you know, yes, things about
Speaker 4: it were the same, like, yes we were getting EVPs,
Speaker 4: yes they were communicating, but when we realized they didn't
Speaker 4: know that each other existed in the same space, we
Speaker 4: had to figure out a way to connect them, and
Speaker 4: we didn't know if it was gonna work. I mean
Speaker 4: when we finished that experiment, I remember taking up the
Speaker 4: headphones and looking at the crew who was standing there
Speaker 4: and they were like just mouth open, and I was like,
Speaker 4: did it work? And they were like, you're gonna have
Speaker 4: to watch it back. I mean, no one would tell
Speaker 4: us anything because they wanted to get our reaction, obviously
Speaker 4: us watching the footage back.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, so do you believe that they're
Speaker 1: like in different dimensions, Like how do you what is that?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean.
Speaker 4: I think there is. I just don't think they were
Speaker 4: aware of each other. I think they for some reason,
Speaker 4: I don't know why, for some reason, they existed in
Speaker 4: their own version of the house or in their own
Speaker 4: world and they didn't know that.
Speaker 3: It's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I had a roommate like that where we just didn't
Speaker 1: ever cross path. It was like you stay over there,
Speaker 1: I stay over there. Maybe the two of them, these
Speaker 1: two mother daughter, they got they put little post its
Speaker 1: on their food, you know, they left.
Speaker 4: They left the rent check, like on the kitchen counter.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, one of them deposit. I mean I guess so,
Speaker 3: I uh it is. It's weird.
Speaker 4: It's weird, and I'm glad things like that happened though,
Speaker 4: because if things like that don't happen, then it just
Speaker 4: becomes the same old, same old.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just investigating. So it was really cool.
Speaker 4: I mean, that was just one of many experiences that
Speaker 4: has happened recently that I uh literally am.
Speaker 3: Like WTF, don't don't get it.
Speaker 1: Don't get when's the last time you had a ghost
Speaker 1: experience that wasn't on purpose, like out in the wild,
Speaker 1: not not even not doing it an event, not doing
Speaker 1: a TV show, just like you saw one. Something happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know something like that.
Speaker 3: That's a really hard question. Wait, my husband's chiming in. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, is that a ghost? Are we getting
Speaker 1: on right now? I just heard a voice?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, forget about the Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we were in uh, we stayed in Salem recently.
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous. That's like my dream. You have dressed
Speaker 1: for it today. I'm looking like slightly witchy a little
Speaker 1: bit to I feel like I look like not Wednesday autums.
Speaker 1: I'm Tuesday autums. I'm not quite Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're like the craft light.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm the craft cheese.
Speaker 3: Honey, you're like a single rapper.
Speaker 4: Yes. So we were at the Hawthorn because they they
Speaker 4: have a uh they do a ball every winter, they
Speaker 4: do a masquerade ball, and it had it had been
Speaker 4: snowed out, and Ben and I we you know, we
Speaker 4: decided we're going to go to when they rescheduled it.
Speaker 4: So we went to the Hawthorn Ball at the Salem
Speaker 4: and we dressed Honey, we looked so good.
Speaker 3: We had bought. We bought these.
Speaker 4: The theme was chapters and verses, so you could come
Speaker 4: as any sort of like book character or whatever. And
Speaker 4: so we bought these paper mache handmade masks of I
Speaker 4: was a wolf and Ben was a fox. And they
Speaker 4: were made in Latvia because so you know, that fur
Speaker 4: was real, and we wore faux fur coats and like velvet.
Speaker 4: I wore a blue velvet tux and I would there
Speaker 4: were people like, well, what are you And I'm like,
Speaker 4: I am that wolf. I am that wolf in every
Speaker 4: story that you've read. And Ben is that fox? Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: So we had dressed up, we had looked. We looked
Speaker 4: so good, and there was Ben's gonna have to like
Speaker 4: jog my memory. Are you talking about the orb?
Speaker 3: No? Oh my god. Okay. So we had just got there.
Speaker 4: We had just got there and and we were unpacking
Speaker 4: and I thought a pillow had fallen off the bed
Speaker 4: because I was laying there just relaxing, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I was like that pillow just fell off the bed
Speaker 4: and Ben was like oh yeah, and he turns and
Speaker 4: goes around the side and nothing was on the floor,
Speaker 4: nothing at all.
Speaker 3: And it would just look like this.
Speaker 4: White anomaly went from like the edge of the bed
Speaker 4: down to the floor as if yeah, as if literally
Speaker 4: as if a pillow had rolled off the edge of
Speaker 4: the bed. I saw it, Ben saw it. Went over
Speaker 4: to pick up the pillow, and nothing was there at all.
Speaker 4: And we were actually we were on We're on the
Speaker 4: fifth floor, so the whole place is haunted, but like
Speaker 4: the sick, the top floors are like the most.
Speaker 3: Haunted, and we were in one of the corners suite.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was like, that's that was something that
Speaker 4: we recognized that seemed paranormal, Like I don't.
Speaker 3: It didn't happen again for us, like nothing else moved,
Speaker 3: but it was something that caught our attention and we
Speaker 3: were like, oh, that's really strange. Doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: When you stay in a haunted place, I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about that? My My thing that I
Speaker 1: say constantly is I don't want anything messing with me
Speaker 1: when I'm sleeping.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say I don't.
Speaker 3: I can't. Look, I've been doing this for so long
Speaker 3: that like I sleep, I just sleep.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't Because people
Speaker 4: are always like, well do you stay overnight at these
Speaker 4: bed and breakfast that you investigat, and I'm like, we've tried,
Speaker 4: but what you get is literally eight hours of me
Speaker 4: sleeping and not being affected or disturbed by anything because
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm asleep. I think the only place that
Speaker 4: I've ever stayed where I was constantly aware of things
Speaker 4: happening was the Stanley Hotel and Estes Park, Colorado. You
Speaker 4: know where Stephen King stayed and got his idea for
Speaker 4: the shining And.
Speaker 1: Did you stay in like a specifically haunted room.
Speaker 4: I did not know it, but yeah, at the time,
Speaker 4: I think it was four sixteen or four h six,
Speaker 4: four eighteen, I don't know.
Speaker 3: One of the fourth floors.
Speaker 4: If you go up the staircase and take a left,
Speaker 4: it is like the fourth or fifth door on the right.
Speaker 3: And I stayed.
Speaker 4: There, but I remember just like there was always little
Speaker 4: thing happening and always some sort of activity, and I
Speaker 4: just fully aware of it to the point where I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I don't like this.
Speaker 3: I wanted to I'd rather sleep and like relax.
Speaker 4: It was one of those places where I felt that
Speaker 4: I wasn't comfortable going to sleep, like I didn't want to,
Speaker 4: like I sort of waited until the sun would peak
Speaker 4: and I could see a little light, and then I
Speaker 4: would go to sleep because I was.
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, cool, the haunting's over. But we don't know
Speaker 3: that it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: It was now supposed to end when the sun comes up.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to happen. That's the rule.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and it makes you feel better, so I
Speaker 4: think at that point I was like, yeah, I'm I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm cool, I'm gonna go to sleep. That
Speaker 4: was the only place I've ever stayed where I was
Speaker 4: like I couldn't ignore the activity because it was so haunted.
Speaker 4: But like places like the Hawthorne and the you know,
Speaker 4: like the Mount Washington, you know it is what it is.
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen or it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: And I think, I think, you know, just go about
Speaker 4: your day and acknowledge it if it happens, and then
Speaker 4: be like, okay, cool, I'm done.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I'm pretty sure this happened
Speaker 1: to me. I get confused, but maybe it was in
Speaker 1: the movie. But I was staying at the Stanley Hotel
Speaker 1: and there was a hot lady in a bathtub in
Speaker 1: my room and then I went up to her and
Speaker 1: she turned into an old hag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, happens to all of us.
Speaker 1: I think, I think I can't remember if it was real.
Speaker 1: I get confused. I was my tricycle, you know, like
Speaker 1: I always do this thing. Well, it was coming from
Speaker 1: the just like gushing out, hushing right at me.
Speaker 4: Well, what's great about what's great about the staniotelough is
Speaker 4: they have that movie playing.
Speaker 3: They have The Shining playing on repeat.
Speaker 1: See, I love that they embrace it. That's what needs
Speaker 1: to happen more.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: But I get it, you know, like I get it
Speaker 1: like that. I've only stayed one time, on purpose in
Speaker 1: a haunted room, and it's led me to never want
Speaker 1: to do it again because I was so on edge
Speaker 1: and I do believe that there was some stuff happening.
Speaker 1: But even if there wasn't, if you tell me it's haunted,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be constantly looking around and what was that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's the problem. It's like you have
Speaker 4: to learn how to turn off that that mechanism in
Speaker 4: your brain that's constantly looking for the worst. And we
Speaker 4: all do it like I'm constantly like panicky or whatever.
Speaker 4: But you have to sort of be able to turn
Speaker 4: off that section of your brain to be like, Okay, uh,
Speaker 4: it's not everything's fine.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just gonna Otherwise you're gonna look at
Speaker 3: every little.
Speaker 4: Thing as something paranormal, like anything at all, Like it
Speaker 4: could be the air conditioning, but you're rationally not thinking that.
Speaker 3: You're thinking, oh, it's ghost because this room's haunted. You know.
Speaker 1: I've gotten better at that, but don't No, I'm not perfect.
Speaker 1: I what I've gotten really better at is not thinking
Speaker 1: that things are all demons. H Yeah, tell me about demons.
Speaker 1: What do you think of demons?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, do they exist? Do I think they exist? Sure?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's too many, Like I think there's
Speaker 4: too many stories and information out there for them not
Speaker 4: to be real. Do I think a normal, everyday person
Speaker 4: is going to interact with a demon? No, I think
Speaker 4: that's extremely, extremely rare, especially if you don't look for ghosts.
Speaker 4: There's good and there's evil, right, there's both, there's good,
Speaker 4: there's evil, And if there's light and there's dark, there
Speaker 4: could be angels and there could be demons. So I
Speaker 4: think I think it'd be very rare for someone to
Speaker 4: interact with something like that, But I think it does happen.
Speaker 1: Have you ever encountered one that you no, not like that?
Speaker 4: I mean there have been times I thought, I have,
Speaker 4: I thought that something like that was going to be happening,
Speaker 4: But no, uh no, I mean it's you. And if
Speaker 4: I can say no, then there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 4: of people that aren't going to experience that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, especially because you're like constantly looking for paranormal activity.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like it's pretty rare.
Speaker 3: It is very rare. It is very rare.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, if if someone's saying they're
Speaker 4: interacting with them all the time, then I don't think
Speaker 4: that's true. I think, you know, everyone has their own.
Speaker 4: I just don't think I think you will. I think
Speaker 4: you could experience it, but I don't think it's something
Speaker 4: that's going to happen on a regular basis. You know,
Speaker 4: it's something has to be asked for. It's like something
Speaker 4: you have to want in a weird way, unknowingly kind
Speaker 4: of thing.
Speaker 1: Is there a part of you that wants to not
Speaker 1: find one just so you can say you have no, No, no.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, who would want that?
Speaker 1: No, people love to see people hot in demons on TV.
Speaker 4: I know, but like, no, no, no, no, no. Listen,
Speaker 4: say what you know about a demon like say, say
Speaker 4: like that's real? Say for instance, it's real, like for real, real,
Speaker 4: who would want that? Like the idea of that occurring
Speaker 4: is so intense to me. It's like, I that is
Speaker 4: not something that I want to experience, and no one should.
Speaker 3: Honestly, good God, it scares me.
Speaker 1: But I really, the more that I have talked to
Speaker 1: people on this show, the more I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's I'm not gonna say I don't think it's real,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that it's common. And I think
Speaker 1: not common. No, I don't think that demons want anything
Speaker 1: to do with someone that's in a good mood or
Speaker 1: doesn't want any drama or like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think that if you're looking for it, maybe you'll find it.
Speaker 1: But I think looking for it.
Speaker 4: I think there are things that will prey on the
Speaker 4: weaknesses of others spiritually, and so I think it is possible,
Speaker 4: but I don't. I don't believe a lay person or
Speaker 4: someone who's not actively in that world all the time
Speaker 4: is going to experience something like that, If that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's my theory or my opinion, just my opinion. Well,
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty impressive that you've never encountered one.
Speaker 4: With all of you, I've encountered that pretend to be.
Speaker 4: I think I've encountered things that might lead you know,
Speaker 4: we're checking a few boxes about what to expect, but
Speaker 4: I don't think I definitely haven't uh gone full demon
Speaker 4: full out there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So do people die and then they for whatever reason
Speaker 1: become a ghost and then they're just like out of
Speaker 1: boredom or out of fun or why, like what they're
Speaker 1: just like I'm a demon and.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, oh pretending to be. I think people
Speaker 4: just I think I think people.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've encountered spirits that act as if they just act
Speaker 4: really razy and mean and aggressive. And you can see
Speaker 4: that and experience that and be like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a demon, you know, like your first thought is like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's a demon, right, but really it's just a person
Speaker 4: being an absolute jerkwise.
Speaker 1: But like sometimes you know these EVPs where they're like
Speaker 1: growling or whatever. So I'm like picturing like is it
Speaker 1: just some like mad man that died and he's just
Speaker 1: like trying to like mess with you.
Speaker 4: Sometimes yeah, sometimes you know, just somebody and then you
Speaker 4: can get we don't know how they communicate through EVP.
Speaker 4: We don't know how it how how hard it is,
Speaker 4: or if it takes a lot to do that. So
Speaker 4: sometimes what they say can be confusing because you're like,
Speaker 4: I don't it sounds really gruff and gravelly, But like
Speaker 4: what if that's just the energy being expelled from whatever
Speaker 4: they're doing to try to communicate and you misrepresented as
Speaker 4: a demon and then you start throwing holy water around
Speaker 4: and bring out your crosses and that guy that goes
Speaker 4: it's like, eh, good lord, No I did not.
Speaker 1: I just needs to smoke a lot, Like don't my
Speaker 1: voice isn't a demon, it's just really deep and gravelly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like I just needed a break. I
Speaker 3: just I just wanted.
Speaker 4: To let you know that you know, uh, my tombstone
Speaker 4: is wrong or like there's a there's a mold in
Speaker 4: the attic or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like.
Speaker 1: Who knows they're trying to do good?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I was curious about just like general just some general
Speaker 1: topics of the paranormal. I was curious your thoughts on them.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what you think about wijaboards.
Speaker 4: I have but a few Wiji boards. I have two
Speaker 4: right here sitting in these boxes.
Speaker 3: Wijiboards are they're not to mell.
Speaker 1: No, they're the demons. No, see, No, they're definitely we
Speaker 1: have we have debunked that. I have time after time,
Speaker 1: like had so many people on this podcast that like,
Speaker 1: this is a not it's not a demon toy podcast.
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
Speaker 4: The Buiji boards are something that was created, you know,
Speaker 4: a long time ago, and it was really a way
Speaker 4: for people to get close to each other in the dark.
Speaker 3: It was a parlor game.
Speaker 4: Hasbro bought it and turned it into basically a children's game.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't until the seventies that Hollywood sort of
Speaker 4: took the idea of the weigi board and created it
Speaker 4: and made it into this like.
Speaker 3: Portal to demonic whatever.
Speaker 4: So when people are like, Biji boards are bad, weije
Speaker 4: boards are terrible. Like you never hear somebody say, you know,
Speaker 4: I was forty years old and completely sober and hanging
Speaker 4: with my friends and we decided to use the Ouiji
Speaker 4: board in this crazy, crazy shit happened. It's more like
Speaker 4: I was a kid and my grandmother's have We found
Speaker 4: it in the attic and we started using it, and
Speaker 4: this crazy stuff happened.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And you know, there is a thing called the idiomotor effect,
Speaker 4: which is a real thing. If you are blindfolded and
Speaker 4: your four people are blindfolded and they have their hands
Speaker 4: on the planchet, the Luiji.
Speaker 3: Board will not work. It will not work.
Speaker 4: Somebody in that group is unknowingly moving the planchet to
Speaker 4: make words, but they just don't know that they are
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 1: We tried doing that one time one of my live shows.
Speaker 1: People were blindfolded on stage doing it and it was
Speaker 1: like going all in all directions, not forming any sentences.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I if you believe that you
Speaker 4: can communicate with ghosts or by using that piece of equipment,
Speaker 4: then it is the same concept of you like holding.
Speaker 3: A recorder or.
Speaker 4: You know, using any sort of other paranormal equipment. Because
Speaker 4: the idea is I'm going to use this device to
Speaker 4: communicate with ghosts. Sure, if you believe that it works,
Speaker 4: use it to communicate with ghosts. But it's not going
Speaker 4: to open up some magical portal if that were the case, girl,
Speaker 4: do you realize how many wigi boards are made and
Speaker 4: are out there?
Speaker 3: Do you know how many weird demonic.
Speaker 4: Forces would just be like trapesing around like there would
Speaker 4: be another you know, minority group of individuals you know,
Speaker 4: looking to vote, like there would be so many of
Speaker 4: them it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: So when people say to me, I need to get
Speaker 3: rid of my wigi board? How do I get rid
Speaker 3: of it?
Speaker 4: I'm like, you may send it directly to me, especially
Speaker 4: if it's.
Speaker 3: Old, vintage, worth money.
Speaker 4: Send it on over because I will take very good
Speaker 4: care of it and put it in my collection.
Speaker 1: Have you ever encountered one that has some kind of
Speaker 1: energy attached to it?
Speaker 3: I do have a story.
Speaker 4: So there is a I have a weichi board over here.
Speaker 4: If I can pull it out, I letna see if
Speaker 4: I can pull it out for you. First off, let
Speaker 4: me get my giant Dhali tarot out of the Ooh,
Speaker 4: isn't that the most beautiful packaging you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: Gorgeous?
Speaker 3: Look?
Speaker 1: Are you a tarot person?
Speaker 3: Oh? Ben?
Speaker 4: My husband collects tarot cards cool and he'll use them
Speaker 4: every once in a while. And uh, he has, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, sixty decks.
Speaker 3: Whoa, he's got sixty decks.
Speaker 1: Decks, sixty.
Speaker 3: Sixty decks. He has sixty decks. Guy, Each one's very
Speaker 3: different from the last. So I have these two boards
Speaker 3: just like casually chilling.
Speaker 4: Right, they're both they're both the same board, but they
Speaker 4: are from a different, different time period.
Speaker 3: One of them, this one's older.
Speaker 4: This one was found in an attic and the lady said,
Speaker 4: I don't want it, Can you have it?
Speaker 3: And I said yes, But this board. So this board specifically,
Speaker 3: it's a bit.
Speaker 1: The William Nifold. That's like mid century kind of right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like nineteen fifties, sixties. You can tell by these,
Speaker 4: you know, these little classic I don't know, white people
Speaker 4: so diversity, some people from the fifties on the back,
Speaker 4: I know you can tell.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm sorry, that is some white people shit
Speaker 1: to be like, let's go conjure up some demons.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: She's like, you know, let's have a let's have some
Speaker 4: fruitcake and sit around in bobby socks and contra demon.
Speaker 4: So this board specifically, I was at an.
Speaker 3: Antique store in Provincetown where I live. I used to go.
Speaker 3: It does no longer longer exist.
Speaker 4: But I used to go in there and like just
Speaker 4: walk around and say, got me weird stuff? And he
Speaker 4: knew that I was always looking for like weird, out
Speaker 4: of this world things, and so I showed up one
Speaker 4: day and I was like, hey, you got me weird things?
Speaker 4: And he said, no, I don't, not today, and I
Speaker 4: was like okay. So I like turn away from the
Speaker 4: counter and I look at the shelves and there's one
Speaker 4: section of shelves that are completely empty. Because it's a
Speaker 4: consignment store, so when someone rents out that shelf section,
Speaker 4: then they will, you know whatever, they'll put their stuff
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 3: But there was nothing on the shelves. I exit, I
Speaker 3: go to the back of the store.
Speaker 4: I peep around a bit, and I didn't find anything.
Speaker 4: So I decided that I'm going to leave. And as
Speaker 4: I'm leaving and passing the empty shelves again, the only
Speaker 4: thing sitting on any of.
Speaker 3: The shelves is this Oiji board by itself.
Speaker 4: It was not there like five minutes prior, just sitting casually,
Speaker 4: and so I was like, huh, I took it. The
Speaker 4: only thing in on six shelves, The only thing and
Speaker 4: I turned to the front desk.
Speaker 3: Guy and I was like, six seco six. I turned
Speaker 3: to the front desk guy and I said, hey, where
Speaker 3: did this come from?
Speaker 4: And he goes, oh, I don't know. And I was like, well,
Speaker 4: it was sitting here and it was not here. I
Speaker 4: just did somebody put it there? So he was like,
Speaker 4: I didn't see anybody.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I actually don't know where that came from.
Speaker 3: I have not seen it in the shop.
Speaker 1: Did it have a price tag?
Speaker 3: It did not.
Speaker 4: And I said, well, guess what is mine? And so
Speaker 4: he I think I paid I don't know twenty bucks.
Speaker 1: What I just materialize.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's the thing. I do not know
Speaker 3: the answer.
Speaker 4: It was not there five minutes prior to me finding it,
Speaker 4: and he had no recollection of it showing up.
Speaker 3: Or being there.
Speaker 4: And clearly I was like, oh, well it's going home
Speaker 4: with me. Like there was no hesitation. I was like, well,
Speaker 4: it's gonna come home with me. There's a reason why
Speaker 4: this is in front of me and sitting here. And
Speaker 4: so I bought it and I've had it for I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, three or four years. But that's a weird story.
Speaker 3: I mean, out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Does it ever reappear in places in your home? Maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't. You don't notice that.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean if it look it's been Could you
Speaker 3: say this again? I couldn't hear what you said.
Speaker 4: Okay, that was I'm sorry. That was my Apple Watch.
Speaker 4: That is saying sorry, I didn't hear you. Could you
Speaker 4: say that again? My apologies. I was not talking about
Speaker 4: Apple Watch, was I did I say anything?
Speaker 1: Not that I heard. I think about the wig aboard
Speaker 1: said something and it activated it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I think it was demons.
Speaker 1: You found a demon episode over clothes, waites. Look at
Speaker 1: I have little wee jab plan chat earrings.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 4: I have a my friend made me or sells these,
Speaker 4: this plan chet and it literally just says girl by
Speaker 4: on it, and so I wear it like to formal events.
Speaker 3: I put it on and just says girl bye.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I don't know. Now my place is cursed. I
Speaker 4: guess haunted because my watch is going off and talking
Speaker 4: to me. I have not moved that Wuiji board in
Speaker 4: a very very long time, and I just told it
Speaker 4: story and now it's got something to say.
Speaker 3: So I'll let you know.
Speaker 1: Of haunted dolls. You know that's my Haunted dolls are
Speaker 1: my favorite thing in the world.
Speaker 3: I love haunted dolls.
Speaker 4: I think it's hard to determine whether a doll is haunted,
Speaker 4: but I think my favorite thing is like when you
Speaker 4: see a creepy looking doll in a vintage store, there's
Speaker 4: something about it. Sometimes you're like, I feel a connection
Speaker 4: to this doll, right, and you're like, I need to
Speaker 4: take care of this doll.
Speaker 3: I need to take this doll home.
Speaker 4: And I think that's bizarre but also really really cool, because.
Speaker 1: Have you done that.
Speaker 4: I've seen things in stores, yeah, like weird, vintagey, creepy
Speaker 4: looking things where I'm like, hmm, I feel like that
Speaker 4: should come home with me. But I don't try to
Speaker 4: look into it too much. I just feel like I'm
Speaker 4: destined to have it, so I'm gonna, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: going to take it with me kind of thing. I
Speaker 4: know that Greg and Dana k Newkirk, who we all
Speaker 4: love in a door.
Speaker 3: They have a doll that when you pick it up,
Speaker 3: you can just like pick it up normal.
Speaker 4: But the longer that you hold it, the more you
Speaker 4: start treating it as if.
Speaker 3: It were a real child.
Speaker 4: Unknowingly, like you just start like cradling it and like
Speaker 4: burn like rocking it and like hold You're not just
Speaker 4: like holding it by the arm. You sort of become
Speaker 4: this doll's caretaker for the time being. And they've seen it,
Speaker 4: they put it, they bring their museum, and they have
Speaker 4: the museum and they it happens all the time, which
Speaker 4: is very strange.
Speaker 1: Have you encountered I mean, like, besides that one, have
Speaker 1: you encountered like a full on haunted doll.
Speaker 3: I mean not to the point where not to like
Speaker 3: I guess I've encountered a lot of haunted dolls where
Speaker 3: people like this doll is a haunted doll.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, right, And I've encountered a lot of dolls
Speaker 4: that I'm like, that thing is weird, weird vibe, right,
Speaker 4: But I don't think I've encountered something where I have
Speaker 4: had problems, if you will, because you know, people are.
Speaker 3: Like this doll moves on its own or like it it.
Speaker 4: Like I think Amy Brunei, who I work with on
Speaker 4: kinder Spirits, she has a story about a doll trying
Speaker 4: to set fire to her closet. I'm like, that's never happened, uh,
Speaker 4: But I have definitely encountered dolls that give off weird
Speaker 4: ass vibes. And you bet believe I'm gonna take it
Speaker 4: home if I can take it home, if I'm allowed,
Speaker 4: because you know, every.
Speaker 3: Haunted doll needs a loving and caring family.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to eBay looking at hunted dolls?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 3: How can you? Oh? How do you know? If it's
Speaker 3: really hard?
Speaker 1: They say it's real? I know it means it's real,
Speaker 1: adam or all?
Speaker 3: Let me wait a second.
Speaker 1: So that's how this works.
Speaker 3: This is a Victorian tear catcher.
Speaker 4: Back in the day, in the eighteen hundreds, you would
Speaker 4: catch your tears in it after somebody dies, and when
Speaker 4: it fills up to the top, you are no longer
Speaker 4: in mourning.
Speaker 3: This is haunted.
Speaker 1: Is it's no, it's not.
Speaker 4: You would gonna you believed it just because I was, like,
Speaker 4: it's haunted.
Speaker 3: But it's not haunted, Like anyone can say anything, is?
Speaker 3: I mean? This is really cool.
Speaker 4: It's got it carried the tears of the you know morning,
Speaker 4: do you cry into it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Only only on the weekends.
Speaker 1: Well, let's do a couple more quick little things here.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about some more, some more thoughts
Speaker 1: on things like, Okay, I've been really into talking about
Speaker 1: Bigfoot lately. What do you think.
Speaker 4: I think Bigfoot is definitely something that could possibly exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it would be.
Speaker 4: I like the idea that, you know, some people say
Speaker 4: Bigfoot is just the ghost of Neanderthal.
Speaker 3: That's interesting to me. Some people say bigfoots an alien.
Speaker 3: Some people think Bigfoot's an actual, like you know, creature
Speaker 3: that sort of like wanders.
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, if you believe in ghosts,
Speaker 4: you sort of have to believe in everything just a
Speaker 4: little bit, like everything else, just a little bit.
Speaker 3: Like you can't be like, oh.
Speaker 4: I believe I believe that someone has died and their
Speaker 4: spirit is sitting in front of me and can talk
Speaker 4: to me and move objects.
Speaker 3: But Bigfoot, Nah, that's too much. You can't. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can do that.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, you have to believe in everything
Speaker 4: just a little bit. Because there are reasons why people
Speaker 4: think Bigfoot exists, just like locked nest, just like aliens,
Speaker 4: just like gnomes and trolls and metaphysical creatures. There are
Speaker 4: stories that date, you know, centuries, thousands of years about
Speaker 4: different things wandering the earth, and so I think there
Speaker 4: is something to it and.
Speaker 3: We all have to be open to it just a
Speaker 3: little bit. Would you ever go, uh? Did you ever go? Look?
Speaker 1: For now? I hate the great outdoors.
Speaker 4: Sorry, no amount of mosquito netting or spraying will ticks snakes.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with any of it.
Speaker 1: I will encourage people, I will watch it, I will
Speaker 1: tune in, but I so I'm not going.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna go, and we're gonna film it, and
Speaker 4: we're going to put it up on the YouTube.
Speaker 1: It would be really fun. It would probably be fun
Speaker 1: to watch me do it. It wouldn't be fun to
Speaker 1: go with me, because I would constantly be like, I'd
Speaker 1: be afraid of things that aren't big fun. But I'm
Speaker 1: just constantly like, I struggle with Bigfoot because, Okay, I
Speaker 1: do think that if it is real, it's a ghost.
Speaker 1: Right this is my is where I'm at right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm constantly changing my mind. But right now I
Speaker 1: think if it's real, it's a ghost. I think that
Speaker 1: when I see videos that people have captured a bigfoot,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't believe it. I for the most part,
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I feel like it's something else
Speaker 1: because you can't capture ghosts that well on camera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you have a healthy skepticism, which is good.
Speaker 4: I mean, in all things paranormal and supernatural and weird,
Speaker 4: we should have a healthy skepticism.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone.
Speaker 4: I mean, do I think someone's ever caught big like
Speaker 4: Bigfoot on camera in a picture?
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna say. I know, I know.
Speaker 1: I This is what I was just saying, and I've
Speaker 1: already had people misconstrue what I'm saying because you know,
Speaker 1: you always see videos of hunters. I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: saying people should shoot Bigfoot, which may or may not
Speaker 1: be a real thing to begin with. So before we
Speaker 1: start debating that, I don't think people should. But all
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that if I had a gun in
Speaker 1: my hand, I would feel really confident to go up
Speaker 1: to it and be able to take a picture with
Speaker 1: it with a selfie yeah, or or follow it home.
Speaker 1: I would stalk it, Sorry, I would, just because at
Speaker 1: this point, to prove that it's real, I would I
Speaker 1: would cross boundaries and I would stalk it and go
Speaker 1: to its home and wait outside it's home for it
Speaker 1: to come back out.
Speaker 4: I think that's exactly what people do, though. People literally
Speaker 4: are doing that. They are going and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is a bigfoot track, and they're trying to track
Speaker 4: bigfoot back to wherever bigfoot is going. Right, people are
Speaker 4: doing They're out there doing those kind of things.
Speaker 3: But I wonder if so, You've got people that are
Speaker 3: really into.
Speaker 4: Bigfoot, right, they are one thousand percent on board with
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: They think they've seen it, They've got a picture that
Speaker 3: they got a bigfoot.
Speaker 4: I wonder if they feel the same way I do
Speaker 4: about ghosts, in the sense that I can show you
Speaker 4: evidence of ghosts all day long and be like, yep,
Speaker 4: that's something else I caught, something else I caught. But
Speaker 4: if you don't believe me, I do not care, because
Speaker 4: I'm beyond caring that you don't believe in ghosts, specifically
Speaker 4: because I've seen it, I've interacted with them, I know it.
Speaker 4: Here's evidence of it all day long. I can show
Speaker 4: it to you, but I'm not in the business of convincing.
Speaker 3: You that it is that they're real.
Speaker 4: And I'm wondering if bigfoot people feel the same way,
Speaker 4: like they're not in. They're not in the business of
Speaker 4: convincing you because they know it exists and they've got
Speaker 4: evidence and they're just now exploring it a bit deeper.
Speaker 3: Do you believe in aliens?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, DEMI said that we're supposed to
Speaker 1: call them extraterrestrials, So I don't call them aliens anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm so. I constantly they would know, they would know,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: I will say, do I believe in Yes, I do
Speaker 1: believe in aliens. I think I don't know what they are.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're from.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been abducted?
Speaker 1: It's my dream, but it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3: Come visit me and I'll take you on a I'll
Speaker 3: take you on a thing. What do you mean, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take you on a got a hook up? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll get I would just call them up and be like,
Speaker 3: come to the ship. No.
Speaker 4: So where in Provenstown, Massachusetts, where I live, there is
Speaker 4: an abandoned Air Force base in Truro. And in Truro
Speaker 4: there were when that was an operating Air Force base,
Speaker 4: there were tons and tons of abductions.
Speaker 3: This is one of.
Speaker 4: The biggest areas for alien abduction. Besides, you know Nevada
Speaker 4: at this point in my opinion, and like this painting
Speaker 4: that you see, like this painting right here, this painting
Speaker 4: right here, that painting up there. I have like twenty
Speaker 4: seven different works by this artist named Bud Hopkins, and
Speaker 4: he is he was abducted by aliens here in Provincetown
Speaker 4: and then wrote like the first four books on alien abduction.
Speaker 4: One is called Missing Time.
Speaker 3: Girl. I'll take you out to this Air Force base.
Speaker 3: We will go to a spot where.
Speaker 4: You can lay on the ground and you just watch
Speaker 4: stars sort of go in circles and like move in
Speaker 4: on themselves and then dart away weirdly, like they don't.
Speaker 3: They're not stars, they're not playing.
Speaker 1: I saw that in Cnona. I went on like a
Speaker 1: thing and I saw that for myself like with night
Speaker 1: vision goggles, and it was that was cool. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, if shit goes down again, like I hope
Speaker 1: nothing bad ever happens in our lifetime, like a pandemic
Speaker 1: or anything, but if it does, I'm calling Andrea Parent.
Speaker 1: I'm packing a bag and I'm I'm getting Andrea Parent
Speaker 1: and I'm going up And I've decided that my job
Speaker 1: is going to be doing makeup for yeah, for them
Speaker 1: so that they can they can pass as humans better
Speaker 1: when they come down here.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to hide that foreheadline. I mean, their
Speaker 4: hairline is probably totally way back.
Speaker 1: Here, which is easy. It's easy to work with.
Speaker 3: You need to pull the wig dick exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's much. Yeah, that's that's not hard.
Speaker 4: We got that they're gonna need like a tin lash
Speaker 4: for the big eyes.
Speaker 3: They're gonna need a bunch of lash like lash on,
Speaker 3: lash on. We'll just like lay them next to each
Speaker 3: other exactly exactly. I mean, I love Andrea.
Speaker 4: She has freaked me out a couple of times about
Speaker 4: about her alien interaction. She definitely called uh she I've
Speaker 4: seen her call actual ships.
Speaker 3: Like all of a sudden, they'll just be like this
Speaker 3: little dot in the sky. You're like, where did that
Speaker 3: come from?
Speaker 4: It was not there and it is not a plane,
Speaker 4: and and you just sort of called them.
Speaker 3: Andrea, we know the weirdest people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm obsessed. Wait, oh my god, I just thought
Speaker 1: of something. You want to hear some EVPs? Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: try to listen. I'll try to listen very closely. It's
Speaker 1: time for EVP or evase. Okay, So honestly, the last
Speaker 1: time I did this with you, you're like the only
Speaker 1: person in history to ever be like, wait, I need
Speaker 1: context and I'm like, no, we don't do contexts here.
Speaker 1: We just hear voices and then made.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate it. I think it's great, But to me,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, I always get weird when I have
Speaker 1: on people that are like professionals, because I don't want
Speaker 1: I just take these off of YouTube. I don't want
Speaker 1: the people that posted them on YouTube to like feel
Speaker 1: like we're making fun of them or something because they are.
Speaker 3: Well. No, here's the thing that you. You are in
Speaker 3: this world.
Speaker 4: Now you are in the genre, and what you have
Speaker 4: to understand is people, we have to scrutinize evidence.
Speaker 3: We have to be tough on evidence. We have to
Speaker 3: be because the more tough, the tougher you are on.
Speaker 4: A piece of evidence. And you can't figure it out,
Speaker 4: then there's something to it. If you can figure it out,
Speaker 4: throw it away. There are thousands of other things that
Speaker 4: you can look for. So don't do not Yeah, do
Speaker 4: not feel bad. I mean, these people on YouTube need
Speaker 4: to have their evidence scrutinized so that they can do better.
Speaker 1: But also I think the ones that I find typically
Speaker 1: I think are pretty good great, assuming that they're real,
Speaker 1: I think that they're pretty good. It's just it's also
Speaker 1: hard over zoom. So I'll give them that first one.
Speaker 1: I don't have a location for it. It is just
Speaker 1: a ghost voice that was captured by haunted bay Town.
Speaker 3: Love it?
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. What is this ghost saying? Wait,
Speaker 1: let me do it again?
Speaker 3: Taking a piss?
Speaker 1: There's definitely a lot of background noise, but it's like
Speaker 1: said there, like it's like say something again. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: sit down, sit down. It does sound like that down,
Speaker 1: sit down. Okay, that's not what they believed. We're gonna
Speaker 1: guess now what they believed it said? Is it A
Speaker 1: you're so tired? Damn?
Speaker 3: Is it B?
Speaker 1: Sometimes?
Speaker 3: Is it C?
Speaker 1: So tell her? Or d ooh saltines?
Speaker 3: Okay one more time.
Speaker 1: So tell her. It's definitely so tell her. But sit
Speaker 1: down with a good gus It down.
Speaker 4: Is a good get without knowing. But see, here's the
Speaker 4: one thing that I love. I want everyone to think
Speaker 4: about this. So when we play EVPs for clients that
Speaker 4: we get, we don't tell them what it says. We'd
Speaker 4: let them tell us what they say, and if they
Speaker 4: how much more cool is it for someone who doesn't
Speaker 4: know the EVP to hear it and go, oh, that's
Speaker 4: just sit down or so tell her right totally?
Speaker 3: And you didn't tell them because it goes, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we all heard the same thing. You hear it.
Speaker 4: The second you tell somebody it says sit down, of
Speaker 4: course they're gonna hear it.
Speaker 1: That's why I'd like to not give too much context,
Speaker 1: Like if I know, if it says on YouTube, like
Speaker 1: after we asked what's your name, it said Veronica, Like
Speaker 1: I don't usually say until after we've lien to him.
Speaker 1: Then I'll be like, yeah, they asked what the name
Speaker 1: was and they said Veronica. I just want to know
Speaker 1: if you can hear, no, that's it. I mean I
Speaker 1: definitely hear. I definitely hear what they what they say.
Speaker 1: It's so tell her what teller?
Speaker 3: What were they telling her?
Speaker 1: Just tell her? Okay, well we're gonna do one more
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: Tell her everything you see.
Speaker 1: Okay, we don't have the licensing for that, so there
Speaker 1: was less than it was less than ten seconds. Okay.
Speaker 1: Next one is the Hampshire Ghost Club. I'm assuming it's Hampshire,
Speaker 1: the Hampshire Ghost Club, which is a it's at a
Speaker 1: haunted theater in Is it Hampshire or Hampshire UK. God,
Speaker 1: you've traveled more than me. I don't know Anythingshire, Hampshire, Hampshire.
Speaker 1: We're going with Hampshire, Old Hampshire. Okay, Uh, what is
Speaker 1: this one saying?
Speaker 3: Oh one more time?
Speaker 1: It's a creepy whisper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard, has an accent, has a British accent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that, which is awesome.
Speaker 3: Uh, has a British accent. I hear that.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's sang, but I hear the accent,
Speaker 4: which is cool in and of itself.
Speaker 3: Because sometimes you're like, you don't even hear that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you some options.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 1: Is it a cam model? Maybe it was a cam model?
Speaker 1: Could be Is it b cam on? Is it c
Speaker 1: kill them all? Or is it d Okay? I'm more
Speaker 1: like with a tongue row, tongue roll.
Speaker 4: Look, as much as I wanted to be wait, what
Speaker 4: as much as I wanted to be kill them all
Speaker 4: or cam model? Let me hear it one more time?
Speaker 4: I mean kill them all.
Speaker 1: It's come on, cam on, wait, let's do it again. Oh, Kim, Kim,
Speaker 1: see I hear okay, I more more.
Speaker 3: Like I do hear the rolling R. But like, what
Speaker 3: if it's saying kmore? Okay, what did that could that be?
Speaker 1: That's like, okay love, that's what I think. That's what
Speaker 1: I hear personally.
Speaker 3: I think it's saying k more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, it's a ghost who is kind of sassy,
Speaker 4: like okay.
Speaker 1: Love, okay love whatever love.
Speaker 3: Love is love, okay love. I love that.
Speaker 4: See those two, those two EVPs that you've shown me,
Speaker 4: I like, and I mean sometimes it's fun to listen
Speaker 4: to them out of context because you can't really overthink it.
Speaker 3: But I like it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's too definitely something somebody's saying, as
Speaker 4: long as everyone in the room has been accounted for.
Speaker 3: That's a cool that those are EVPs.
Speaker 1: Yes, you heard it here first from an expert. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess we can just wrap it up.
Speaker 1: I know, okay, I know, unless there's anything else that
Speaker 1: we I mean, of course, there's a million things we
Speaker 1: could also talk about, but I'm sure I don't want
Speaker 1: to take up all your time you've got things to do,
Speaker 1: you're traveling, you're doing, you're going on where you're going.
Speaker 4: I so this weekend going to well, it's probably won't air.
Speaker 3: I already aired, but this weekend going to Ohio.
Speaker 4: For the Ohio State Reformatory conn there's like a convention there.
Speaker 4: And then in June we will be at Belvoir Winery
Speaker 4: for Strange Escapes. I will be at the Sheboygan Asylum
Speaker 4: at the beginning of July, and then we go on
Speaker 4: a Strange Escapes European Ghost cruise in July, leaving out
Speaker 4: of Southampton, doing two ports in Spain, two ports in Paris.
Speaker 4: I think the catacombs are involved, stone hinges involved, So
Speaker 4: that's I'm looking forward to that for sure.
Speaker 1: That is so cool, I know.
Speaker 4: And if anybody wants, you know, to hang out with
Speaker 4: us or to find out where we are, you can
Speaker 4: visit my website Adam Berry Adam dash excuse me, Adam
Speaker 4: Dashbury dot.
Speaker 3: Com to see where we're gonna be.
Speaker 4: And I had this cute little hoodie that says haunted life.
Speaker 1: This embroidered cuteness tell people where to get your stuff, so.
Speaker 4: You can get adamburrymerch dot com you can get this
Speaker 4: cute little haunted life zip and I've got a ghost
Speaker 4: T shirt and hats and magazines and tote bags and
Speaker 4: all kinds of fun, fun things, you know that I
Speaker 4: just throw out there and see if somebody want.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love it. I wear it all the time.
Speaker 3: Super cute, it's comfortable, it's pandemic. Were I love it?
Speaker 1: Wait when you go to wait, what's the I say,
Speaker 1: I'm always like I never know the exact word, like
Speaker 1: haunted mental health facilities, like you know, like so many
Speaker 1: of them are like lunatic asylump like whatever the wording is.
Speaker 1: But when you go to those, what is what do
Speaker 1: you notice about that kind of activity? Is it different?
Speaker 1: I mean, I assume it's much different from other places.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Depending on where you are, it can seem chaotic,
Speaker 3: very chaotic, sporadic uh no patterns specifically sometimes very agitate
Speaker 3: like you'll hear like bang bang bang bang, or like
Speaker 3: you'll hear I think one day we heard somebody that
Speaker 3: sounded as if somebody was walking down the hallway towards
Speaker 3: us dragging their foot. It was like a step dreg ew.
Speaker 4: That's not a kind of drag, but like no no, no, no, dear,
Speaker 4: but it's it's it's very much the activity in a
Speaker 4: mental facility is very much the activity you would expect.
Speaker 4: It's confusing, disorienting, uh, sometimes very loud and quick, and
Speaker 4: then it stops. And that's why when we investigate specifically
Speaker 4: these locations, we have to be very sympathetic.
Speaker 3: You know. I know there are a lot of people
Speaker 3: that go in.
Speaker 4: And be like, if you don't talk to us, we're
Speaker 4: gonna get the warden or get them whatever. And if
Speaker 4: I were a spirit in that still having that sort
Speaker 4: of mental issue, I would not talk to you if
Speaker 4: you were threatening me.
Speaker 3: So you have to be.
Speaker 4: Very very calm and like sort of give yourself over
Speaker 4: to whatever is going to happen so that they your
Speaker 4: energy matches the comfort level that they need to interact
Speaker 4: with you, because it can be very crazy.
Speaker 1: I feel like literally sometimes when I watch shows where
Speaker 1: they go to those places, I've noticed like some kind
Speaker 1: of creature lives there. Now it's turned into some kind
Speaker 1: of monster in the building, Like what has that happen?
Speaker 1: Like for you?
Speaker 4: Okay, there are a few places that we've gone where
Speaker 4: we feel that there is something that's controlling the environment,
Speaker 4: like specifically, I think trans Alganny lunatic asylum is one
Speaker 4: of those places where you're trying to get information and
Speaker 4: get these spirits to interact with you. But it seems
Speaker 4: as if there is something bigger and more powerful than
Speaker 4: these spirits, watching what they do and controlling what they
Speaker 4: can and cannot do. And when I imagine that that
Speaker 4: thing in my brain, it it is sort of this
Speaker 4: weird in human creature manifestation that sort of controls the ponds,
Speaker 4: being the inmate, the you know, the patients that are
Speaker 4: still there, goes back to an agrigor or a tulpa
Speaker 4: or things that are energetically created that never exist, uh,
Speaker 4: which we've encountered on kindred spirits. It reminds me of
Speaker 4: that kind of thing, like there is something here that's
Speaker 4: a bit more powerful in controlling than everybody else. Uh
Speaker 4: but it but it's easy to control because it's never
Speaker 4: existed before.
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, Broll. That's a whole new podcast.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because it's like these these things, you know,
Speaker 1: thought forms, whatever people want to call them, that never
Speaker 1: were a human. So it's almost like, are you saying
Speaker 1: that it's so it's easier to since it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a story created. These are many stories you can
Speaker 1: almost rewrite the story.
Speaker 3: Is that true hundred percent?
Speaker 4: Like when we did the investigation with Zombie Boy, which
Speaker 4: is they said there was this little boy here, and
Speaker 4: we realized that he was created, that that never happened.
Speaker 4: We sat down for a very long time and gave
Speaker 4: him attributes. We said how he died, We said who
Speaker 4: his father was, We said his father died in the
Speaker 4: Civil War. We gave him all these things, and we
Speaker 4: sat across from each other and just talked about what we.
Speaker 3: Knew about Zombie Boy.
Speaker 4: And then you know, twenty four hours later, Chip Coffee,
Speaker 4: our psychic that we work with, is picking up.
Speaker 3: He's like, what's the Civil War? What does civil war
Speaker 3: have to do with it?
Speaker 4: You know, he was psychically getting information from this tulpa,
Speaker 4: this agrigor that we had given like we it was us.
Speaker 4: It was us giving them attributes, and it was like
Speaker 4: answering questions about what their mother's name was, and how
Speaker 4: many sisters he had.
Speaker 3: And all this stuff.
Speaker 4: So that in that same token, you can reverse it
Speaker 4: by not communicating with them or not interacting with them,
Speaker 4: or saying you don't exist.
Speaker 3: You don't know who you are. You're not who I'm
Speaker 3: looking for to talk to.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like reverse, it just reversing the It
Speaker 4: takes a while, but you're just basically reversing the.
Speaker 3: You know, the storyline.
Speaker 1: Interesting which I think also Bigfoot is sort of something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Look Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if there are any kids listening,
Speaker 4: but there's Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Like Santa Claus is real.
Speaker 4: Santa Claus is real if you think of it that way,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like, really, well, yeah, there's a lot of energy going
Speaker 1: into talking about Santa Goal.
Speaker 3: So then how many things are out they're like that.
Speaker 4: On the negative side, the Boogeyman, the Black Eyed Children,
Speaker 4: the Candy.
Speaker 3: Man, the Easter Bundy. You know how messed up that
Speaker 3: could be.
Speaker 1: Well, my scariest one, since I don't like being interrupted
Speaker 1: when I'm sleeping, is the tooth Fairy. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: lady coming in my room looking for my old crusty teeth.
Speaker 3: Now, But you know what, it wouldn't It wouldn't look
Speaker 3: like a lady.
Speaker 4: It would look like a conglomerate mashup of what everyone thinks.
Speaker 3: The tooth Fairy looks like so it'd.
Speaker 4: Be all deformed and messed up, with like half hanging
Speaker 4: off like wings and like hair, and like it would
Speaker 4: be messed up because it's just a conglomerate of what
Speaker 4: everyone thinks the tooth Fairy is in.
Speaker 3: Their own way.
Speaker 1: Oh that is messed up.
Speaker 3: Sleep well, eh.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully I won't lose any teeth anytime soon at
Speaker 1: this point. Thank you so much to Adam. If you
Speaker 1: want to hear us talking about a haunted eBay doll,
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Speaker 1: about it. I love y' all, both living and dead.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
Speaker 1: haunt me. Hey back.
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