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Speaker 1: combaderate professional better Simon hutter Ello. Simon Chad, how are
Speaker 1: we doing, dude, It's late late in the day. It's
Speaker 1: a long day. I'm losing it a little bit. A wild, wacky,
Speaker 1: insane set of games that we are involved in. Back
Speaker 1: doors that shouldn't have been back doors, almost back doors,
Speaker 1: games that we left off the plate that we should
Speaker 1: have put on the plate, games that we put on
Speaker 1: the plate that we're get We're glad we put on
Speaker 1: the plate. Things went both ways for us, which is
Speaker 1: how we are now two and two. On the day
Speaker 1: we won with the the Browns plus eight and a
Speaker 1: half and Carolina plus three and a half. We lost
Speaker 1: with the Rams at three and the Bengals at five
Speaker 1: and a half. We have the Eagles minus one and
Speaker 1: a half in the contest, but we've been betting them
Speaker 1: two and a half all weeks. We're on the Eagles
Speaker 1: two and a half. Tonight, we're gonna get to our
Speaker 1: early leans, a review of how we did on all
Speaker 1: of our picks, your live comments, All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into it. Cincinnati opening the day for US plus five
Speaker 1: and a half. Shocker, shocker. There were thirteen points in
Speaker 1: the first ten minutes and then there were no points
Speaker 1: I think until the end of the first half. It
Speaker 1: was a wacky, ugly, annoying, disgusting. Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: should have won this game a thousand different ways today.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hated it.
Speaker 3: We just I never trusted this nowek never made sense.
Speaker 3: And I was gonna give you tons of credit because
Speaker 3: it looked like you were right for about three fourths
Speaker 3: of the game, because like you said that, there was
Speaker 3: just no points and that's what you want when you
Speaker 3: have an ugly dog.
Speaker 2: They kept it close.
Speaker 3: Really was a game I feel like we're gonna cover
Speaker 3: the whole time until what a neblie was going to
Speaker 3: happen happened.
Speaker 2: That Flacco picked six. That's what burned us to me
Speaker 2: in the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Flacco pick six. The Bengels were
Speaker 1: shooting themselves in the foot sort of as soon as
Speaker 1: the end of the first half ended, the Steelers started
Speaker 1: their last drive of the first half inside their tent.
Speaker 1: The Bengels on that drive had four penalties in six plays,
Speaker 1: including multiple rough in the passers and a defensive pass
Speaker 1: interference before the drive ended at the end of the
Speaker 1: half with the field goal. And then like after that,
Speaker 1: like Flacco had the pick six, they could never get
Speaker 1: the ball down field the Packer. The Steelers defense finally
Speaker 1: started to tighten up a little bit. It sort of
Speaker 1: turned into a Joe Flacco the magic is over fast.
Speaker 1: What's really interesting about this. Jalen Warren left the game,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers did not play in the second half. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when we got Mason Rudolph to start
Speaker 1: the second half, I'm like, I can't believe we got
Speaker 1: this gift. But we did not get a gift.
Speaker 3: No, And it's again another lesson. If the line's too
Speaker 3: good to be true, just stay away. We should have
Speaker 3: stayed away from this one. This line stunk. We fell
Speaker 3: into it and that was just a bad bet. Like
Speaker 3: you said, the Flaco stuff, we knew he was due
Speaker 3: for one of these games, right, Flaco is not gonna
Speaker 3: be out here throwing for four hundred yards every week
Speaker 3: and multiple touchdowns.
Speaker 2: He was just off.
Speaker 3: He kept reaching to his shoulder and reacting after a
Speaker 3: couple of big hits to it. And like you said,
Speaker 3: and when a backup comes in, you're feeling pretty good, Spencer.
Speaker 3: When the defense has blaying so well, like it's a
Speaker 3: nice defense has blaming so well in that game. And
Speaker 3: like we said, once Flatco just started turning over and
Speaker 3: making mistakes, it kind of all came crumbling down.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, this was definitely our worst bet of the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jaylen Ramsey got kicked out of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we still couldn't get the ball downfield. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: it's a bummer. That one hurt a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't hurt. This one made me so happy. Carolina
Speaker 1: plus three and a half at Atlanta, because when we
Speaker 1: had the conversation this morning, it came down to the
Speaker 1: Raiders tomorrow night, who you had been pushing all week
Speaker 1: and I could not wrap my head around and Carolina,
Speaker 1: who we both liked on Thursday. But then for some
Speaker 1: reason we got a little scared off because the line
Speaker 1: moved from three and a half to four and I
Speaker 1: really thought we should just take Carolina. And there were
Speaker 1: moments in this game, especially when they were down twenty
Speaker 1: one seven, when I'm like, are you freaking kidding me?
Speaker 1: That I had to be the one to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's put in Carolina because I can't abide by the Raiders.
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna lose this one too, and I
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna have to sit with this for twenty
Speaker 1: four hours and then watch the Raiders cover tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: I needed the Panthers. I needed Bryce young to have
Speaker 1: a record setting day for himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just needed Bryce Younger for four un or
Speaker 3: forty yards and three touchdowns, and he delivered for you.
Speaker 2: Chev. I know I liked it.
Speaker 3: My fear was what we always talk about, the numbers
Speaker 3: do matter, and the number had moved and when the books,
Speaker 3: a bunch of books are shown four and a half,
Speaker 3: I just didn't get it. Like we keep talking about
Speaker 3: this Atlanta team is not good. I did not get
Speaker 3: the line movement. I was worried there was something I
Speaker 3: was missing, And yeah, we got lucky in my opinion,
Speaker 3: like this coach tried giving this game away in so
Speaker 3: many different ways where he just needs to trust his team.
Speaker 3: I get it to give up twenty one points in
Speaker 3: the first half, they dominated the second half, and you're
Speaker 3: still going for it and on weird fourth downs in
Speaker 3: his own zone and instead of kicking field goals, he's
Speaker 3: going for a fourth down on the opposite side of
Speaker 3: the field. And especially when Kirk Cousins game and he
Speaker 3: still was doing very weird things. It was like Kirk
Speaker 3: can't complete the ball five yards downfield. It was just
Speaker 3: very bizarre. Carolina was a much better team. Like you said,
Speaker 3: it's it's a big deal in a team could go
Speaker 3: on the road, give up twenty one points in the
Speaker 3: first half and then hold that same team to six
Speaker 3: points in the second half.
Speaker 2: And on the flip.
Speaker 3: Side, Bryce Young nine points in the third quarter, eight
Speaker 3: points in the fourth quarter, and then you know, three
Speaker 3: points in that overtime, Like that's that's big, big time
Speaker 3: play by Bryce Young. So half a game out, Carolina
Speaker 3: Panthers are first place in that division.
Speaker 2: It's it's really fun team right now.
Speaker 1: Don't forget. Don't forget. Nine in the third quarter, eight
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, three in the overtime. From the
Speaker 1: final two minutes of the first half through overtime, Caroline
Speaker 1: outscored the Falcon twenty three to six. Like they were
Speaker 1: all over the Falcons in that game. And you mentioned Penix.
Speaker 1: Penix left the game with a knee injury or what
Speaker 1: looked like a lower body injury. I didn't get confirmation
Speaker 1: on what it was, but he was limping a little bit.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins came in and he had a really good
Speaker 1: drive for the end of the game to tie the score,
Speaker 1: but generally he was pretty dreadful and looked like a
Speaker 1: very aged aged backup in this game. The run game
Speaker 1: for the Falcons, this is what were worried about, and
Speaker 1: I think it's why the line moved a little bit.
Speaker 1: B Jon Robinson had ninety three yards in the first half.
Speaker 1: And what was interesting to me was the Panthers got
Speaker 1: so much better defending the run in the second half,
Speaker 1: partially because of Kirk Cousins, but he only ended the
Speaker 1: game with one hundred yards. Like the Panthers got so
Speaker 1: staunch in the second half of that game.
Speaker 2: Now I thought we were cooked. I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 3: This was better than dead because they, like you said,
Speaker 3: they could not stop the run, and I was we
Speaker 3: were about half a hit away from Andy Dolan entering
Speaker 3: the game for the remainder of the game.
Speaker 1: Well, look, Bryce Young, I thought we were cooked to
Speaker 1: until they scored and went down the field because all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Bryce Young looked like Bryce Young again,
Speaker 1: and he was throwing dimes. He was moving up in
Speaker 1: the pocket, he was scrambling. He made some really good throws.
Speaker 1: He was thrown into very very tight windows. Our good
Speaker 1: friend Jason Bonnetti was calling the game and he had
Speaker 1: a great call on the first touchdown pass to McDonald.
Speaker 1: He's like he threw it to him. You know, he
Speaker 1: was in a phone booth and he got it to him.
Speaker 1: He was great, Bryce Young. We'll talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know what. Let's talk about it now.
Speaker 1: In the second half in overtime twenty of twenty seven,
Speaker 1: for three hundred and eighteen of his what was it,
Speaker 1: four hundred and forty eight yards, I mean, an incredible day.
Speaker 1: Who to your point, I think he looked like he
Speaker 1: was about to leave that game at least three times,
Speaker 1: including I think the player're talking about where they had
Speaker 1: the ball on their side of the fifty with three
Speaker 1: minutes lefter or something like it. It's fourth down and won,
Speaker 1: They're down twenty two nineteen. I think twenty four nineteen,
Speaker 1: and no, no twenty twenty two to nineteen, and they
Speaker 1: no twenty one to nineteen. Sorry, they go for it.
Speaker 1: Bryce Young gets stepped on falls and can barely get
Speaker 1: up and walk, and the Falcons score the field goal,
Speaker 1: and then Bryce Young drives him down the field for
Speaker 1: a touchdown to give them the lead with the minute left.
Speaker 1: He was valiant, he was courageous, he was glorious. He
Speaker 1: put the team on his back. When they go back
Speaker 1: to Carolina, they're going to be like, Bryce Young, you
Speaker 1: are our quarterback, and Dave Canalys you are coach, and
Speaker 1: Tepper the owner is going to be like of cour Worse.
Speaker 1: I was a genius for trading up to get Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: That's what I think they're gonna feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, vibes are high and on the fop side of
Speaker 3: the Falcons. I think that's their fifth straight loss, so
Speaker 3: three and seven. Pretty disastrous start three and two and
Speaker 3: then you lose five straight.
Speaker 1: Three and seven. Right now, you got to believe that
Speaker 1: this might be the end for Rahue Morris. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they can keep him around because they've just
Speaker 1: been losing all these close games. And at some point
Speaker 1: when you're losing close games, that's the coaching and so
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a real challenge for
Speaker 1: them at the end of this season.
Speaker 3: Let'ld say, if you're the defensive coaching Bryce Shungston for
Speaker 3: almost four hundred fifty yards on you, guys, probably changes
Speaker 3: are in store.
Speaker 1: Not great. Also not great getting back doored by the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. They were three point underdogs at Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: The Rams were our brass Balls bet of the week.
Speaker 1: They got two first quarter of touchdowns. Then from the
Speaker 1: end of the first quarter through the middle of the
Speaker 1: third quarter they had five plays to the Seahawks forty one.
Speaker 1: They gave up four field goals. The time of possession
Speaker 1: was twenty minutes for the Seahawks, twenty one minutes for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, four minutes for the Los Angeles Rams. Through
Speaker 1: the first through that next twenty five minutes. It was
Speaker 1: really incredible what happened the Rams. Four picks of Darnald.
Speaker 1: They should have won that game by so many points. Simon,
Speaker 1: that's a rough one. That one hurt that was at
Speaker 1: that one. My wife had been out all day. She
Speaker 1: came home and she looked at me and she goes,
Speaker 1: this isn't good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's one of those games that makes you
Speaker 3: kind of hate sports. But it honestly, where you get
Speaker 3: you get done in by the hook there in a
Speaker 3: game where, think the announcers said it, they scored a
Speaker 3: touchdown for the first time the entire game with two
Speaker 3: minutes and twenty three seconds left in that game. And
Speaker 3: this is a game in which their quarterback threw four picks.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we both expected to have a
Speaker 3: much better performance by this Rams team that you know,
Speaker 3: they did at least score their red zone trips. I said,
Speaker 3: that's one credit to them or the Seahawks. They couldn't
Speaker 3: but it was just a non I don't know how
Speaker 3: to described the Stafford game he had, like he never
Speaker 3: got in rhythm. Sure, that could be some of his fault,
Speaker 3: but when he's fifteen of twenty eight for one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty yards and two touchdowns, it's like there has
Speaker 3: to be a lot of plays he left on the
Speaker 3: field there. So I think we me and you both
Speaker 3: agreed it just like McVeigh called it very you know, conservative, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and just didn't want to make the mistake because he
Speaker 3: knew Sam Darnold's making all the mistakes.
Speaker 2: So it's it's just like we said.
Speaker 3: Bad luck, where you get all those turnovers and they're
Speaker 3: not getting three out of any of them, right, like
Speaker 3: that turnar red midfield at the end of the game there,
Speaker 3: Oh we needed was just get a first down.
Speaker 2: Would have got three they.
Speaker 3: Got, have been up at that point, been up fifteen,
Speaker 3: would have covered the field.
Speaker 2: Goal and no problem.
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, we got burned by the back door,
Speaker 3: but can't get too upset about it. We live and
Speaker 3: died by the back door at the time, and this
Speaker 3: time we died by it.
Speaker 1: Well we died. I died a couple times today by
Speaker 1: the back door, and it was truly excruciating, and I
Speaker 1: believed it was going to happen again. With Chad's choice,
Speaker 1: Cleveland plus eight and a half against the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, Thank God for Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett had
Speaker 1: four sacks by early in the third quarter of this game.
Speaker 1: He got his twelfth sack of the year in the
Speaker 1: first quarter. That's as many as the Ravens had all
Speaker 1: year at the time. I think he currently has more
Speaker 1: by himself than the Ravens had all year and the
Speaker 1: up until the very end, the Browns defense was doing
Speaker 1: everything they can. They kept the Ravens out of that
Speaker 1: end zone. They were playing so well really without an offense,
Speaker 1: zero on offense. Dylan Gabriel left the game after the
Speaker 1: first half, Shredreth Sanders came in. I think everyone can
Speaker 1: stop talking about Shureg Sanders, right because that was an
Speaker 1: embarrassing performance.
Speaker 3: It was, but it's also a tough spot where it's
Speaker 3: a guy that has never gotten first team reps and
Speaker 3: he comes in cold and he goes four to sixteen
Speaker 3: passing like just disasters and a pick which.
Speaker 1: And an intentional grounding let to the game when you touchdown.
Speaker 3: Like he just if he just came in and could
Speaker 3: run the offense at some some level.
Speaker 2: Whe Dylan Gabriel as much shit.
Speaker 3: He's like to give him. He wasn't even that good
Speaker 3: in this game. He was at least seven for ten.
Speaker 3: He protected the ball, you know, he moved it for
Speaker 3: the offense. So, like you said, I mean it's brutal.
Speaker 3: We didn't get the outright win as the Browns, and
Speaker 3: I think the Browns fans it's brutal. But that number
Speaker 3: was never in doubt, and we all, like you said,
Speaker 3: the fear was Sanders gets the ball back and it's
Speaker 3: trying to sit up to drive to win the game.
Speaker 3: I me and you've both seen that movie plenty of times,
Speaker 3: young guys that came to their strip, sack whatever it
Speaker 3: can easily turn into seven points other way. So on
Speaker 3: a day that things didn't really go away in some ways,
Speaker 3: I feel like this one in every way went our way.
Speaker 3: So I'll take that with the Browns anytime. The number
Speaker 3: of the hook never in doubt. Right the seven and
Speaker 3: a half, we were lucky in the contest grade eight
Speaker 3: and a half, so you know, people listening, we talked
Speaker 3: all week about it. It never moved off that seven
Speaker 3: and a half. Right that Lamar injury news came out.
Speaker 3: It went from eight and half to seven and a
Speaker 3: half and just stuck there all week. So nice, nice
Speaker 3: read by us, and obviously a really great read by
Speaker 3: the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was convinced we were going to get back
Speaker 1: doored in that game. I do think if if the
Speaker 1: Ravens end up scoring a touchdown when they're down sixteen thirteen,
Speaker 1: if the Browns defense doesn't hold up right there, I'm
Speaker 1: convinced they score a touchdown and then on the ensuing drive,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry does what he did, which was get, you know,
Speaker 1: break a huge run and we end up getting screwed.
Speaker 1: I saw it in my mind's eye because it's not
Speaker 1: like we didn't see today teams that were down with
Speaker 1: five minutes left and relatively big favorites. And we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this in a second, come back and cover with these.
Speaker 1: So because of what happened with the Rams, because of
Speaker 1: what happened with the Bengals, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: not going our way. So I'm glad you kept the
Speaker 1: faith because I didn't have any.
Speaker 2: It was a good number.
Speaker 3: And like we talk all the time, this Browns team
Speaker 3: at home, they've been very very good to us, some
Speaker 3: profitable We're gonna to keep it and it obviously we're
Speaker 3: go need to start being a little wiser pick our
Speaker 3: spots because the secret's out everybody. Everybody was talking about
Speaker 3: this week, So the books will catch up eventually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we got this two and two. Like
Speaker 1: I said, we got the Philadelphia Eagles minus two and
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Speaker 1: let's quickly talk about Houston and Tennessee, because Tennessee was
Speaker 1: a six and a half point dog the Texans from
Speaker 1: the beginning. Texans when it came to the red zone.
Speaker 1: They get to the red zone, they miss a field goal.
Speaker 1: First play at first series of the game, miss a
Speaker 1: field goal. Jeffrey Simmons has called for a penalty. They
Speaker 1: take the field goal, or they get to move the
Speaker 1: ball up. They get to the one yard line, first
Speaker 1: and goal, they go backwards, they get back to the
Speaker 1: one yard line. They can't score the ball from the
Speaker 1: one yard line on fourth down. Instead, they get sacked.
Speaker 1: They're driving in the second down, a field goal, third
Speaker 1: and short, another sack knocks them out of field goal range.
Speaker 1: It still never felt like they were out of it.
Speaker 1: Once they got into the third quarter, they just started
Speaker 1: dominating offensively. And then you know, like we saw with
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, there's one drive at the end of the
Speaker 1: game that was truly gut wrenching, like sickening, sickening, sickening.
Speaker 3: So you played the number though, like you said, Tennessee
Speaker 3: had no business being in that game. Everything we said
Speaker 3: was true that I just we just did not see
Speaker 3: how Tennessee will be able to move the ball offensively
Speaker 3: against this Houston's defense, and it's shaped up that way.
Speaker 3: They lost Calvin Ridley, yeah to this for the rest
Speaker 3: of the season. Their number two Rectire I think got
Speaker 3: banged up as well in this game. Like they just
Speaker 3: were losing guys. HOUSTI to let them hang around, and
Speaker 3: that's what football us. The football is. You let a
Speaker 3: team hang around, Let them hang around, and they're gonna
Speaker 3: They're gonna eventually get theirs.
Speaker 2: And this has been cam Ward. This is how cam
Speaker 2: Ward cover is now. Chad.
Speaker 3: If you kind of have a read on this kid,
Speaker 3: they played dead. He'll do nothing for three and a
Speaker 3: half quarters and then he'll have one important drive for
Speaker 3: gamblers and he gets the back door for him.
Speaker 2: So thank god we didn't have this one in I
Speaker 2: think it was seven and a half of our contest.
Speaker 3: We avoided it. The pros are all over Tennessee. Great
Speaker 3: read by them, bad read by us being on the Texans.
Speaker 1: Texans have the best defense in the NFL. They were
Speaker 1: dominating this game. At one point, Will Anderson had a
Speaker 1: sack of fumble recovery. They're up by seven, thirteen to six.
Speaker 1: I think there's three minutes left, something like that. The
Speaker 1: Titans have the ball in the five yard line their own,
Speaker 1: They convert multiple third downs, they go ninety five yards.
Speaker 1: In the entire game, the Texans only had five penalties.
Speaker 1: Two of them were on that drive. Did you know that?
Speaker 1: Did you know that, Simon? Did you know that?
Speaker 3: Luckily at the book was nowhere near the TV of
Speaker 3: this game one.
Speaker 2: I'll be totally honest with you, that.
Speaker 1: Drive included two penalties, one of which was a pass interference,
Speaker 1: another was a hands of the face after cam Woard
Speaker 1: had scrambled to like the Texans side of the field,
Speaker 1: so I moved them closer. At any point they could
Speaker 1: have stopped them one more time and forced them to
Speaker 1: try to kick a field goal. Oh no, they couldn't.
Speaker 1: They could have just stop them one more time. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. They couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: It was It just made me sad. As joyous as
Speaker 1: I was about the Browns, I was sad about the
Speaker 1: Texans because they gave that one away. You know who
Speaker 1: was probably really happy today, tell me Matthew Mitchell, because
Speaker 1: thank God, all week we kept saying there's something fishy
Speaker 1: about Tampa Bay. We can't figure out why nobody's betting
Speaker 1: on the Bucks. And by the time the game, this
Speaker 1: game kicked off with the Buffalo Bills, they were six
Speaker 1: and a half point underdogs, moved from five and a
Speaker 1: half to six and a half. We avoided all week,
Speaker 1: We didn't get suckered in. Even this morning, we found
Speaker 1: a way not to talk about it, not to put
Speaker 1: it in. This game was so fucking drunk, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I assume you watched this one in the book.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is a big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just another game.
Speaker 3: Just like since we talked that, just a fishy line,
Speaker 3: and the books don't give away two or three free points,
Speaker 3: and that's what I feel like they were doing. The
Speaker 3: spot just did not make sense that Bill's defense is
Speaker 3: not good enough to be that big of a favorite,
Speaker 3: and they're not. It's Josh Allen. He's big enough to
Speaker 3: be that big of a favorite. Is Josh Allen's best
Speaker 3: game we've ever seen him play?
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's superstar, incredibly handsome quarterback.
Speaker 4: Died in the wool inveterates monster fires. It excited to
Speaker 4: turn the part to the anside jug down touchdown excuse
Speaker 4: me touch down from Josh Allen?
Speaker 1: How can he puss simply too?
Speaker 4: It's just is it possible? Strike and les are.
Speaker 1: Carrying at home?
Speaker 2: The Bills were unstoppable.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen end records, be good, do good, God bless
Speaker 4: Mingo Bills.
Speaker 3: Baker, he brought it today and we we The first
Speaker 3: noticeable difference in this game right away from the get
Speaker 3: go was Baker was using his.
Speaker 2: Legs gether games.
Speaker 3: And that you saw how game, how much of a
Speaker 3: game changer is from offensively, but Baker can only do
Speaker 3: so much. Like it just was never ending the onslap
Speaker 3: by Josh Allen. He's just so talented. This was just
Speaker 3: a Josh Allen type of game, Like right when you're
Speaker 3: doutting them is these exact type of moments in these games.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go back and watch it again because
Speaker 3: it's it's rare you see a quarterback through for three
Speaker 3: touchdowns and rush for three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: It's just an all time game.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Honestly, we were talking before the show, it
Speaker 3: felt like every game lived up to the hype today
Speaker 3: in the NFL, Like every big game that was talked
Speaker 3: about hyped up, big matchup, the playoff atmosphere type of
Speaker 3: matchups lived up to it, and this was one of them.
Speaker 3: The Bucks felt like they were in the entire game,
Speaker 3: and just at the very end the Bills pulled away
Speaker 3: and covered this number. So yeah, thank guy, we avoided it.
Speaker 3: It was a fishy line all week for sure, and
Speaker 3: we didn't. The over open at fifteen and a half
Speaker 3: closed at forty five and a half, So jesus, I
Speaker 3: know a lot of buddies pros who hammered that weather
Speaker 3: under it was really windy, supposed to be bad weather
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 2: It didn't look that way at all.
Speaker 3: I think they had like forty points midway through the
Speaker 3: third quarter, So brutal buro bet on if you had
Speaker 3: that under in that game.
Speaker 1: Five minutes left, the Bucks were up thirty two thirty one,
Speaker 1: as six and a half point underdogs. Like when if
Speaker 1: you had the Bucks, you would have been so freaking
Speaker 1: psyched you had thought even if the Bills score again,
Speaker 1: because this game had gone back and forth, back and forth.
Speaker 1: At that point, there had been nine lead changes in
Speaker 1: the game to the point where the Bucks were up
Speaker 1: thirty two to thirty one, back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. You still would have thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: the Bills, then.
Speaker 2: If they score here, I'll come down the two pointer.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll come down to right, It'll be like the
Speaker 1: Bucks are going to get another shot, and the way
Speaker 1: they've been scoring, there's a good chance they'll be able
Speaker 1: to score here. The fact that the Bucks the Bills
Speaker 1: scored on the next drive and then scored again to
Speaker 1: end up covering that game, Oh my goodness. The only
Speaker 1: person I was thinking about that whole time was Matt Mitchell,
Speaker 1: Like he must have been sick to his stomach. He
Speaker 1: can't come on the show right now because the way
Speaker 1: we record it now, which is a bummer, because maybe
Speaker 1: he can give us a little bit of a recording
Speaker 1: for Tuesday, because Gollie, Gee, that was a brutal game
Speaker 1: as a Bills fan for about fifty seven minutes.
Speaker 3: And as much as I'm bad mouth on their defense,
Speaker 3: they scored that touchdown to take the lead thirty seven
Speaker 3: to thirty two, three and out by big.
Speaker 2: I gotta stop, Yeah, they gotta stop.
Speaker 3: Got Josh on the ball back and we always say
Speaker 3: it's it's crazy how when he's on it just doesn't
Speaker 3: matter who the defense is and what they're throwing at him.
Speaker 2: He just went right down the field and scored another touchdown.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's because Ken Coleman was a healthy scratch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what inspired him. Arizona screw him. This is
Speaker 1: what I want to say about Arizona Classic. Cardinals start
Speaker 1: opening kickoff, the Niners return it to the one, score
Speaker 1: a touchdown, so now the Cardinals are down. Immediately they punt,
Speaker 1: Niners score another touchdown, they miss a field goal, then
Speaker 1: they end the half of the block field goal, only
Speaker 1: to get called for a penalty. The Niners kick it
Speaker 1: and make it. So they opened the game with a
Speaker 1: special team snapho, they close the game with a special
Speaker 1: the half of the special teams snapho, and then they're
Speaker 1: keeping it close. I think it's twenty five, twenty five
Speaker 1: or twenty eight ten, fourth and one. They go for
Speaker 1: it from midfield. Great call, great run, touchdown. Guy gets
Speaker 1: called for holding ten yards away from the play. That
Speaker 1: was the Arizona Cardinals in a nutshell. However, Jacoby Brissett
Speaker 1: through an NFL record forty seven completions.
Speaker 3: I was I'd be honest. I did not watch a
Speaker 3: second of this game. There were just other better games
Speaker 3: that I love that you brought this one up. Let's
Speaker 3: talk the Broncos Chiefs game. That's a way better game.
Speaker 1: I was watching the Broncos Chiefs game, but we had
Speaker 1: talked about the Cardinals, so I want to make sure
Speaker 1: we referenced the Cardinals at some point on this show.
Speaker 1: We had talked about it a lot during the week. Look,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Denver, Denver close four and a half. You
Speaker 1: like Denver all week. I think we both got spooked
Speaker 1: by the pushback we were hearing from the books and
Speaker 1: from wise guys, because this line was moving and we
Speaker 1: couldn't under stand why you almost made it. Simon says,
Speaker 1: when it was Denver three and a half and it
Speaker 1: went the other way, and Denver did Denver man. Their
Speaker 1: defense was amazing and they made Patrick Maholmes look confused,
Speaker 1: and they came off the by and were terrible and
Speaker 1: bo Nicks all of a sudden, we like is throwing
Speaker 1: the passes we've been asking them to make for two
Speaker 1: freaking weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just an all time game though that you know,
Speaker 3: not that we've been waiting for Mahomes to be dethroned,
Speaker 3: but we've been waiting for him the trip up at least, right,
Speaker 3: He's just had this insane run where every year they're
Speaker 3: making the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 2: That's not that's not natural. Football should not be that way.
Speaker 3: The greatest quarterback ever, Tom Brady, had a bunch of
Speaker 3: trip ups like it just happens. It's really stupid. So
Speaker 3: what makes amazing moments in football? And that's what today was.
Speaker 3: It's what you dream about if you're a Broncos fan,
Speaker 3: Like it's a game that you know. I love them
Speaker 3: so much because I just felt like everybody was leaving
Speaker 3: them for dead after that Thursday game where football just
Speaker 3: doesn't work, that it's just up and down week to week.
Speaker 3: And you saw today when Boone Knicks is on, it's
Speaker 3: a really good offense like Champagne schemes, guys wide open,
Speaker 3: and he had a bunch of opportunities today and he
Speaker 3: did it create his own stuff. I'll give both some
Speaker 3: credit for that, but that crazy stat just about them
Speaker 3: basically when they're coming off.
Speaker 2: A game where they are horrible in the red zone.
Speaker 3: With Sean Payton as a head coach, he's now sixteen
Speaker 3: to one against the spread in games where the week
Speaker 3: before they failed to score more than one time in
Speaker 3: the red zone. So just something to keep in mind.
Speaker 3: He just gets the guys to bounce back, coaches them
Speaker 3: up and in this game, I mean, they just hung
Speaker 3: in it. They outplayed Mahomes in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: And you know, Mahomes had his opportunities and he just
Speaker 3: didn't live up to it in the moment. Right the
Speaker 3: Denver defense, they made their right moves this offseason, got
Speaker 3: the right pieces and got guys that can make stops.
Speaker 3: So it's just crazy to think Denver. I mean this
Speaker 3: not that it sealed them to win this division, but
Speaker 3: it truly is all on their own hands now, Like
Speaker 3: if they just win three four more games, they're going
Speaker 3: to lock up this division.
Speaker 2: That's a huge deal.
Speaker 3: But for someone like me, it makes me excited to
Speaker 3: know I'm going to get my homes on the road,
Speaker 3: potentially as a dog in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So we'll see when that that point comes.
Speaker 1: Broncos and Patriots are steaming towards division titles right now.
Speaker 1: Colts are two. I don't think anyone had that parlay
Speaker 1: of Colts Broncos Patriots. Well find I'm sure someone will
Speaker 1: tweet their tickets soon and figure out what the cash
Speaker 1: out offer is from whoever is wherever they made the bet.
Speaker 1: But good for all these teams. A great game, super
Speaker 1: fun game to watch, back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: really physical, really intense, untimely and irregular turnovers by Patrick Mahomes. Look,
Speaker 1: you're you're not wrong. Just look at the Chargers. Two
Speaker 1: weeks ago they dominate the Steelers. Today they get dominated
Speaker 1: by the Jacks. Like two weeks ago, ten days ago,
Speaker 1: the Broncos can't score against the Raiders and today they're
Speaker 1: throwing the ball up and down the field against the
Speaker 1: Chiefs like football is different every single time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was just, like we said, a unique
Speaker 3: spot where I loved it. But I was interesting how
Speaker 3: Bonnicks would react to all the outside noise that they
Speaker 3: know inside that building that this is them.
Speaker 2: They're a huge underdog.
Speaker 3: It's Mahmes off of bye, and if they win this game,
Speaker 3: they are three and a half games up on this
Speaker 3: Chiefs team. Like that, that's a big deal that he
Speaker 3: was in this big moment, was level headed enough bon Knicks.
Speaker 3: Where you saw some other quarterbacks like Sam Darnold in
Speaker 3: a big moment completely melt. I mean they got through
Speaker 3: four picks like bon Knicks could have easily melted in
Speaker 3: this spot, could have not shown up like he did
Speaker 3: the week before, and he totally showed up and reviewed himselves.
Speaker 3: So I have such a hard time reading bon Nicks now.
Speaker 3: It's like, now I want to fade them next weekcause
Speaker 3: we know he's just gonna lay an egg coming up.
Speaker 3: That's just what he does. So it's I get why
Speaker 3: people didn't love this game want to avoid it, but
Speaker 3: I'm just glad it came down to the number of
Speaker 3: playing the number and shocking, shocking the Broncos on this
Speaker 3: game out right.
Speaker 1: How about the Chicago Bears, These cardiac Calebs, they just
Speaker 1: keep doing their thing at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: could have put it away so many freaking times. I
Speaker 1: don't know if JJ McCarthy is a betable quarterback because
Speaker 1: that is an excruciating and frustrating and even justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: seems like he's just about to lose it right now,
Speaker 1: and listening to Tom Brady do that game, he like
Speaker 1: tried so hard to make every excuse for JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: about the intangibles he has and then tried to talk
Speaker 1: about how he could correct the tangible things that he's
Speaker 1: doing terribly, mainly the bad decision making and the inaccurate
Speaker 1: passes and throwing it to the wrong team. It's a
Speaker 1: brutal watch if you're a Vikings Fanny and Caleb is
Speaker 1: he's working magic right now, he's turning into something else.
Speaker 1: I've always loved Caleb Williams. I've always loved that kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this this game is it was like I
Speaker 3: said going into it, it's a must watch. I'm addicted
Speaker 3: to betting this Bears team. It's just there's nothing like it.
Speaker 2: Every week.
Speaker 3: It's super close, and they just find a way to
Speaker 3: make it close when they shouldn't be. They should either
Speaker 3: be blowing teams out or they should be getting blown out,
Speaker 3: and they just keep finding a way. And yeah, in
Speaker 3: a game in which you know Caleb was sixteen of
Speaker 3: thirty two and JJ McCarthy was sixteen of thirty two,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be like, oh, that was a fun, exciting game.
Speaker 3: But it really was as sloppy as it was. You know,
Speaker 3: it's it's exciting to see the few sure these two coaches,
Speaker 3: hopefully for a long time, would be going head to head,
Speaker 3: even if these two quarterbacks are not the answers, but
Speaker 3: I still think with both of these guys, they both
Speaker 3: did stuff in this game. I really like like Caleb's
Speaker 3: pocket presence, some of the moves he made. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: just you can see it. You see the potential there.
Speaker 3: And same with JJ. I know it's ugly. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of throws that were just terrible, him missing wide
Speaker 3: up on guys, but he also had a couple of
Speaker 3: passes You're like, Okay, this kid obviously has a ton
Speaker 3: of talent. It's just he's on a team that people
Speaker 3: had playoff expectations for and he is nowhere near the
Speaker 3: quarterback they need to get him to that place. So
Speaker 3: it sucks if you're a Minnesota fan. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's some Minnesota fans out there like, I don't
Speaker 3: even believe this guy. They should draft a new quarterback
Speaker 3: this upcoming year, but I feel like you have to
Speaker 3: give him the rest of the season and next season.
Speaker 3: It's just the NFL is so complicated and he's running
Speaker 3: such a complicated offensive scheme. What I see as a
Speaker 3: quarterback thinking before he throws and react into the offense,
Speaker 3: other than a guy that's just playing within the offense
Speaker 3: and you know it's you can just tell you just
Speaker 3: said the jitters, like there's a bunch of throws today
Speaker 3: the Bears. We were talking before he came on, the
Speaker 3: Bears could have won this game by twenty points. Like
Speaker 3: he just was so turnover prone, couldn't do anything offensively.
Speaker 3: We're on the flip side, you know, this Bears team.
Speaker 3: Caleb kind of held him back. Where you guys once
Speaker 3: again feel like you're running the ball whenever you wanted.
Speaker 3: I think they ran for one hundred and forty yards.
Speaker 3: You know, it got shut down a little bit in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. That's just because Minnesota was selling out
Speaker 3: to stop it. But yeah, as a various fan, you're
Speaker 3: seven and three. If the Lines lose tonight, are you
Speaker 3: guys leaving the division? I'm pretty sure, or maybe you're
Speaker 3: tied for with Green Bay. It's just it's an incredible
Speaker 3: spot to be through eleven weeks if you're a Bears team.
Speaker 2: I just I can't believe they're a legit playoff contender.
Speaker 1: Seven and three and don't look now, but we are
Speaker 1: favorites against the Pittsburgh Steelers next week at all. It's
Speaker 1: gonna make it interesting.
Speaker 3: My friend, Oh, okay, because that's that's a Mason rudolphline, though.
Speaker 1: Probably assuming assuming it who knows, Like at this point
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it in a second.
Speaker 2: What could if I remember?
Speaker 3: It was a favorite this morning, So that's why I
Speaker 3: think it moves because Pittsburgh won big, it wouldn't move.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Yeah?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Okay, Simon, shame, shame, shame, shame. Who is your
Speaker 1: shamed team unit player moment today?
Speaker 2: David Canals. I got beef with him. Shame on you, David.
Speaker 3: He coached that game in so many weird ways. I
Speaker 3: just hated it so much. Where his defense was dominating
Speaker 3: that second half and he was playing he was coaching
Speaker 3: Carolina offense like they were playing against an half juggernaut
Speaker 3: on the other side.
Speaker 2: Like they have an easy fourth and.
Speaker 3: Two, kick a field goal, you'll be down by two
Speaker 3: in the third quarter, he goes for it. Turnover, run downs, Okay,
Speaker 3: not a big deal, right, those things happen. It's the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter now, and when they're still in the same spot,
Speaker 3: they are down by two points. This man goes for
Speaker 3: it on his own I think thirty two luckily gets
Speaker 3: it on fourth and one and then goes for it again.
Speaker 3: And I think on his own forty on fourth and
Speaker 3: one and doesn't get for it. This is when there's
Speaker 3: like four minutes left in the game. He is all
Speaker 3: three timeouts and once again, his defense to this point
Speaker 3: is only given up three points and it's Kirk Cousins
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 2: Field, and this is what this man's doing.
Speaker 3: Down two points, so he goes for his own forty
Speaker 3: get stopped.
Speaker 2: God, thank god. Once again, Kirk Cousins is the quarterback.
Speaker 2: He goes three and out, so they have to kick
Speaker 2: a field goal.
Speaker 3: He is now down five and then gets the ball back,
Speaker 3: so it's like, there is no he can't lie and say, well,
Speaker 3: my guys told me to do. There is no math
Speaker 3: that's telling you that's a good decision go from you
Speaker 3: on third, especially when your defense is playing the way
Speaker 3: they did in that second half.
Speaker 2: And he just almost cost us.
Speaker 3: And at that point I was losing my mind because
Speaker 3: we had already basically at this point since I has
Speaker 3: been blown out. And yeah, not that I was having
Speaker 3: sick thoughts about Chad here, but I was definitely like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, he mushed my Carolina bet, making us
Speaker 3: put it as goddamn contest.
Speaker 2: But you did in Chad. They went out right, So
Speaker 2: shame on David, but good for us.
Speaker 1: Look, it's interesting because there's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: comp with what and this isn't my shame, but Sean
Speaker 1: McVay he wasn't aggressive enough with his play calling. I
Speaker 1: think when it came to short yardage, kept running the ball,
Speaker 1: kept running the ball in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he just felt like that's what
Speaker 1: the only option was and that against that defense and
Speaker 1: Stafford wasn't on one, but they did not put themselves
Speaker 1: in a good position to put that game away. And
Speaker 1: this has been a consistent theme with Sean McVay this year,
Speaker 1: is he hasn't been aggressive enough in times when they
Speaker 1: needed to be aggressive. So it's interesting to me, like
Speaker 1: there's a perfect mirror there between what Canals was doing
Speaker 1: when he was down and what McVeigh was doing when
Speaker 1: he was up. Yeah, okay, my shame, shame, shame. How
Speaker 1: can it not be the Houston Texans defense. But you
Speaker 1: got cam Word on the five yard line with three
Speaker 1: and a half four minutes left in the game to
Speaker 1: ice it, and you let the guy go ninety five
Speaker 1: yards multiple penalties, a thirty eight yard over the shoulder,
Speaker 1: diving catch by their tight end. You're getting beat over
Speaker 1: the top and covered by a tight end. You are
Speaker 1: supposed to be the best defense in the league, and
Speaker 1: I know you won the game, but you need to
Speaker 1: be better than putting the ball back in the hands
Speaker 1: of Davis Mills and hoping that guy who really has
Speaker 1: not been adequate as a quarterback since v. J. Stroud
Speaker 1: went out, even though you've won a couple of games,
Speaker 1: look at his numbers. You're not one of those games
Speaker 1: because of Davis Mills. Shame on you for putting the
Speaker 1: ball back in his hands and making him be the
Speaker 1: one who wins you a game that you had to have.
Speaker 1: If you don't win that game, you're now a sub
Speaker 1: five hundred team and the percentage chance you have in
Speaker 1: making the playoff goes from thirty one percent if you're
Speaker 1: where you are, which is five hundred to nine percent,
Speaker 1: and you would be the only team in the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL in the Super Bowl era to have
Speaker 1: a defense that ranks at the top of the categories
Speaker 1: that you rank at and not make the playoffs. Shame
Speaker 1: on you, Houston Texans for letting cam Ward almost snatch
Speaker 1: victory from the jaws of defeat. Shame, shame, shame, Simon.
Speaker 1: Who is your hero of the week.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be Bryce Young, Bryce Young, You're my hero.
Speaker 3: I just I can't believe it. We were deader than dead.
Speaker 3: He had to throw for almost four hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: yards three touchdowns, just an incredible performance. You know, this
Speaker 3: is a guy that basically we had all left him
Speaker 3: for dead career over. Andy Dlton got a car accident
Speaker 3: and that little break whatever it was, the three four
Speaker 3: games he had time off, I think came back and
Speaker 3: once Andy got hurt.
Speaker 2: He's just been a change man.
Speaker 3: Even this year, he's had down games, but you know
Speaker 3: we've been waiting for these type of games where he
Speaker 3: just bounces back, and he did in a big way today.
Speaker 3: So in my Hero of the week, Bryce Young, thank
Speaker 3: you so much, sir for that cover.
Speaker 1: My hero of the week is on the other side
Speaker 1: of the ball. And this as equally responsible for our
Speaker 1: other win today as Bryce Young was for the Panthers,
Speaker 1: and that of course would be Miles Garrett. Four sacks
Speaker 1: I think two tackles for loss. On the year, I
Speaker 1: think he has fifteen sacks. I think ties him for
Speaker 1: his career high in sacks, first guy to start his
Speaker 1: career with twelve sacks or more in every season. Twenty
Speaker 1: tackles for losses so far this year, his record for
Speaker 1: that is twenty two. That was last year. Think about this,
Speaker 1: the guy's got five games left and he's already who
Speaker 1: already has been one of the greatest defensive ends in
Speaker 1: NFL history, a record setting defensive end, and he has
Speaker 1: five games to shatter all of his personal records. He's
Speaker 1: the only reason we covered that game today. Every single
Speaker 1: time it seemed like the Ravens had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: move the ball down the field or to get a
Speaker 1: little momentum, Miles Garrett was in Lamar Jackson's grill, and
Speaker 1: I think it changed everything about that game. And I
Speaker 1: just feel bad that he's got to play on a
Speaker 1: team like the Browns, who I don't know, Maybe they'll
Speaker 1: get lucky next year and draft Fernando Mendoza from Indiana University,
Speaker 1: because that's the pace that they're on right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the Browns never thought they'd have
Speaker 3: a better a better player.
Speaker 2: In the history of their franchise than Jim Brown. Miles
Speaker 2: keeps us up for another two three years.
Speaker 1: Give him a run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be really close, because just
Speaker 3: we've never seen a freak athlete like this. You just
Speaker 3: can stay healthy and consistently get his on a team
Speaker 3: that you know he's the guy, and that's you got
Speaker 3: to take him away, and you just you can't stop it.
Speaker 2: So it's it truly as crazy to see what we're watching.
Speaker 1: Jim Brown, Osie Newsome, Bernie Cozar, Miles Garrett. I think
Speaker 1: that's probably the top four right there for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: All right, Simon says, was Las Vegas plus three and
Speaker 1: a half. Chad's choice was Cleveland plus eight and a half.
Speaker 1: Brass balls was the Rams minus three? Lost that one
Speaker 1: rock and a hard plays Philadelphia minus two and a half.
Speaker 1: Sharp versus square. You can sense my bitterness on this
Speaker 1: Houston game because they were my sharp versus square. You
Speaker 1: had Carolina plus three and a half. Nice work the
Speaker 1: favorites parallel. Are you ready? Rams ding ding ding ding ding,
Speaker 1: Ravens ding ding ding ding ding, Houston ding ding ding
Speaker 1: ding ding, Green Bay pushing against jamis at seven, but
Speaker 1: they won and we got Philadelphia tonight' So we're four
Speaker 1: and oh and the favorite parlay, the underdog parlay. We
Speaker 1: got Carolina, we lost with I think Arizona and Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some Early Leans. One of our commenters
Speaker 1: just wants us to know that brock Purty is back.
Speaker 1: How do we feel about that? Do we think brock
Speaker 1: Purty is back? Do we think this Niners team is
Speaker 1: back with Brock Purdy?
Speaker 2: I believe it.
Speaker 3: When they win two games in a row, they just
Speaker 3: don't win and cover there after they win a game.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll see if you look good today. Made
Speaker 3: some great throws, but that air airs in the defense.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of weeks in a row now that
Speaker 3: they just are giving up tons and tons of points.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of San Francisco and Early Leans, right now
Speaker 1: they are seven point favorites against the Carolina Panthers, and
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football in week twelve, are Darling Panthers going
Speaker 1: out to the Bay Area and there's seven point underdogs
Speaker 1: against San Francisco.
Speaker 3: I know, I can't believe it, Like my initiatistics is
Speaker 3: exactly what you're alluding to. It's like, aren't we hammering
Speaker 3: this Panthers number? This is the scene insane number. The
Speaker 3: forty defense is so banged up. Yeah, they got it
Speaker 3: with that take against Arizona, but Chad said it from
Speaker 3: the top. I mean, forty seven completions NFL record is
Speaker 3: what they gave up this week. Like this is still
Speaker 3: a bad defense. So yeah, it can pretty get his.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it can. We just we saw Caroline's defense
Speaker 3: get rolled. We've also seen Caroline's defense go on the
Speaker 3: road and play pretty well in a couple of different spots,
Speaker 3: like the did in Green Bay and against I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess it's the Jets don't really count, but still
Speaker 3: they showed up. They got the stuff. So yeah, that's
Speaker 3: for early lines. I'm gonna grab it and we'll see
Speaker 3: as a week as long. I just can't believe that's
Speaker 3: what they opened that.
Speaker 1: Number at feels feels very very But they know.
Speaker 2: What they're doing. It's on Monday night. They know they're
Speaker 2: gonna take a lot of fight nunders money exactly.
Speaker 1: Another one that jumped out at me only because of
Speaker 1: what happened this week. Tampa Bay. I don't have an
Speaker 1: opinion on this game yet, but I want to get yours.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay at the Rams. The Rams are six and
Speaker 1: a half point favorites against the Bucks. If this is Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we're having the same conversation. Doesn't this feel big for
Speaker 1: the Bucks?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Again, what are we missing here? This is an insane,
Speaker 3: insane number. So yeah, I got I'll be a sucker away.
Speaker 3: They'll take it for now. But this is a definitely
Speaker 3: a game I'm excited to who my model has it
Speaker 3: at and I gotta dive more into. But the only
Speaker 3: thing I think of is we're just underrating how bad
Speaker 3: this Bucks defense is, and they've struggled against good passing offenses.
Speaker 3: But my god, that is a lot of points to
Speaker 3: get Baker after two really bad losses Like it just
Speaker 3: we think, sure, he might lose three games in a row.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can see him not covering
Speaker 3: in three straight games. This just feels like a spot
Speaker 3: to back Baker.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get kicked in the head for
Speaker 1: saying this, especially if you don't know what's happening tonight.
Speaker 1: But next week, the New York Giants are visiting the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. And if there's ever been a team that
Speaker 1: will look to run the ball seventy five times against
Speaker 1: a really bad rushing defense, it is the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: against the New York Football Giants. It's a huge number.
Speaker 1: I get it. But I look at that and I think,
Speaker 1: all right, maybe the Lions are going to lose tonight.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's going to be where they get back home.
Speaker 1: They play a really weak rushing defense and they get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to thrive.
Speaker 3: I think you're going somewhere totally different. Seattle minus twelve
Speaker 3: and a half at Tennessee. I saw that that is
Speaker 3: where you want to be chaed Seattle.
Speaker 2: Off the loss.
Speaker 3: They dominate bad teams, especially this year. They've absolutely throttled
Speaker 3: bad teams.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: It's just a horrible spot for Tennessee. I mean, just
Speaker 3: I know they stole one today against Davis Mills. This
Speaker 3: is Sam Darnold, get right, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I could totally see it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna grab this now because it's under thirteen. I
Speaker 3: think this gets up to thirteen.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: I'll probably get there within the lines. But for big,
Speaker 3: big spreads early, I'm gonna grab that Seattle one.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: What else am I missing?
Speaker 2: Again? Just funky lines I don't get.
Speaker 3: You can get Colts plus three and a half right
Speaker 3: now against the Chiefs I get it, it's them outdoors,
Speaker 3: it's Daniel Jones against this Chiefs team. But I don't
Speaker 3: know if the Chiefs can stop Jonathan Taylor. Like I've
Speaker 3: seen their run defense, and I think this is actually
Speaker 3: a real favorable matchup for this Colt team.
Speaker 2: So that's just a line.
Speaker 3: Just like with Denver, I'm gonna hit it early, just
Speaker 3: see what the Pros do for it. Maybe this does
Speaker 3: get driven up to four again just like it did.
Speaker 3: But I am shocked they opened Colts plus three and
Speaker 3: a half just just it seems like a good spot
Speaker 3: where I get the public keeps back in this Chiefs team.
Speaker 3: They can't keep losing. But that's that feels like a
Speaker 3: heavy priced price to pay for that hook. I'm shocked
Speaker 3: they opened it with a hook. A game you talked
Speaker 3: a little bit about Pittsburgh is plus three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that game. I was just gonna say that game
Speaker 1: moved from two and a half t.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take it just just in case Rogers risk
Speaker 3: is fine and he gets comes back, even if it's
Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't hate this number. I just.
Speaker 3: It's like we keep saying this Bears team, it's got
Speaker 3: to run out and all they do is win one
Speaker 3: possession games. This is a one possession number, so Bears
Speaker 3: could win it.
Speaker 2: But by more than a field goal. I feel like
Speaker 2: that's a hefty, hefty price to ask of this team.
Speaker 1: All right, Look, we won with the Browns plus eight
Speaker 1: and a half. We won with the Panthers plus three
Speaker 1: and a half. We lost with the Rams minus three.
Speaker 1: We lost with the Bengals plus five five and a half.
Speaker 1: We got the Eagles tonight. The current line is two
Speaker 1: and a half. We are two and two on the day.
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