WEBVTT - Ranked- Choice Voting 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:07.680 What's up, family, I'm to make a demon Mallory and 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:14.520 we are your host of the greatest podcast in the world, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:21.960 Street Politicians, The Place Politics Me. Wow, you know, I'm 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.480 I'm I don't want to talk long because we've got 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.920 a lot of information to pack into this episode. I 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.000 have been under the most pressure to decide out of 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.760 candidates that I think are just okay. I'm not. I'm 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.280 not blown away by any of the candidates running for 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.840 mayor in New York City. I think there are some 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.479 that are better than others. Um, but I don't necessarily 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:53.080 feel like anyone is really speaking directly and impactfully to 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.400 the issues I care about in a way that motivates me. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.200 I what I hear are people who have potential, great potential. 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.560 But sometimes I get tired of being behind people with potential. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.720 And that's just my truth, and I tell them all 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.520 that directly. I'm under a lot of pressure right now. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.640 It's a lot of stress to decide who will be 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.640 in my top five ranking because New York, as you know, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.040 we now have the uh what is it, the ranked 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.840 choice voting process, which means we get to rank five 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.840 people and I gotta do that. So I'm feeling a 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.720 little stressed out. How you feel I'm feeling all right, man. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.600 You know, it's a lot of a lot of different people, 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.039 you know, that I'm interested in. Like you said, there's 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.600 no one candidate that stands out like I like Isaac right, 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.119 just understanding because we have kind of like similar background. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.080 Ray Maguire is somebody, you know. Maya is somebody that 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.480 I'm paying attention to. And I'm just you know, I'm 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.760 listening to all out of these different candidates, and I'm, 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.600 like you said, it's not one person that completely that. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.320 It's not so much that one person. I feel just 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.120 I don't know if they're capable of doing everything that 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.320 they say they can do. So you know, I'm I'm 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.079 I'm up in the air. So you know, this ring 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.560 choice fold it might be good for me because I 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.960 can list a couple and see, you know, and just 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.720 and wish for the best. At this point, we we 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.640 this system that we have already is not really working 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.600 to me, I guess so, and that's not you know, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:27.320 and imagine if we people who are politically inclined, um, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.760 you know, feel this way, imagine how a lot of 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.040 other folks feel. So that's just how I'm that's that's 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.000 what's going on with me and today is that I have, 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.480 you know, about a day before I have to publicly 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.600 state all the folks that I'm supporting across the city 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:49.360 of New York, state of emergency in your book what 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:54.240 you mean your book behind you? I see state statecy 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.560 How how are the sales? Like, we didn't hear anything? 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.760 You did really well? I mean we sold like twenties 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:05.200 seven thousand copies. Talk about that. See that's that's that's 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:09.200 the best sell right then that's pretty well. Um, we 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.839 need to sell a hundred thousand copies, so we've got 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.200 some more work to do. Um. And you know, and 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.120 and I think it's gonna happen. Um. You know, just 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.959 from Louisville, Kentucky, where we had a book signing, um, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:28.919 and that was very successful. Along with in person book signing. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.000 There are more coming up. Yesterday was my birthday and 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.160 so you know, forty plus one. I mean, there's a 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:43.000 lot of stuff happening. God God is really good. That 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:47.880 is good. So my thought of the day today is 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.400 gonna be the best thought of the day that I 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:59.360 have ever ever ever had. My thought of the day. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.080 You want to know it is. You know what I 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:05.160 was thinking, what was there? I was thinking, I want 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.800 to know what our guests have to say about this 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:13.720 crazy system that we had UM between rank choice voting 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.680 in New York Joe Biden and his statements during the 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.960 Tulsa commemorations. Um, you know what we're gonna do to 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.279 get all the things we need? You know, in this 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.440 short window. We got four years to really push and 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.760 it's really kind of two years because if the Senate 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.920 gets flipped or we lose some seats, lose the House 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.840 in the midtim elections, we won't even have the opportunity 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.960 that we have in this moment. So we've got like 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.880 a year and some change to literally get some things done. 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.520 And the progress is very slow, if even at all, 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.360 on some issues. So my thought of the day today 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.000 is that I want to hear from the guests because 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:00.560 the guests have uh pretty good insight on where we stand. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.800 It sounds like a good thought to me. So today 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.799 we're gonna be joined by um Jamanni Williams, the Public 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.000 Advocate of New York City. You know, New York is 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.159 very um unique in the fact that we have a 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.440 public advocate. Uh, there's been many people trying to get 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.760 rid of that seat, and his job. Really his role 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.960 is to sort of monitor what the mayor is doing 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.720 and be an advocate for the public UM. And in 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.359 in others places you have the mayor and then of 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.119 course their deputy mayor, so if something happens to the mayor, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.159 then the deputy mayor is in charge. In New York, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.320 actually it's different in that the public Advocate would step in, 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.240 and the public Advocate is now the second most powerful 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.840 elected official in the entire city of New York, and 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.799 it happens to be a black man who's a revolutionary. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.760 And so it's good that we haven't coming on today 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.800 to talk about ring choice voting because as the Public Advocate, 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.680 it is his job to ensure that the people of 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.880 New York are prepared to go to the polls and 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.080 do what's necessary UM and not be disenfranchised. So we'll 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.440 hear from Jimani Williams and then the Reverend Mark Thompson, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.160 who I often joke is my um work husband. I 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:20.080 spend hours on hours talking to Mark, going through issues, 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.120 dealing with my fears, frustrations, my insecurities, things I don't know, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.120 research that I have to do in order to be 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.400 on my game. Um. And he is available to me 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.480 at one am, two am, five am all the time. Uh. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.000 And and it really sort of stands in the gap 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:41.120 of of other you know, places and spaces where I 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:46.039 may not be fulfilled, um in terms of my intellect. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.320 And that's important, you know, to have somebody that when 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.320 you're feeling like, man, I don't understand it, or I 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.680 can't get it, or I just don't want to read 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.200 this stuff, that he would sit with me and break 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.719 it down and and and help me to stay focused. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.839 And so I I am so glad that Marcus coming 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.800 on because I know even with you, Marcus the type 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.680 of person that we turn to that will really help 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.720 us strategically think through what are the next steps for 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.520 our movement based upon the fact that he's been in 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.840 movements of the past. So we're gonna hear from Reverend 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:27.560 Mark Thompson. S. Thompson is my guy man. We are 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:33.360 being enjoyed by our dear, dear, dear public Advocate for 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.600 New York City and also our brother, um and friend. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.160 You know that street politician has a lot of friends. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.520 We always bring people who are doing great work and 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.440 that's because the company we keep it's a good group. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.960 It's a good group of individuals across the nation who 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:56.960 are really making change, really um standing up to this 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.840 this call that is on all of us to carry 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.000 the baton. The baton has been passed to us from 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:09.520 many UM. And when I think about Public Advocate Germanni Williams, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.200 I think about somebody like Congressman John Lewis rest in peace, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:18.480 God rest his soul, and so many other elected officials 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.920 who really stood for and stand for justice, fairness and 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.000 equity for black people. And so I'm always proud to 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.680 call him a friend. I was talking to someone the 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.200 other day and they wanted to try to, you know, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.559 give me all the reasons why I shouldn't work with 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.040 another individual. And I said, well, does that person support 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.280 Germanni Williams. And they say, yeah, well they're friend of 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.120 mine if they support him. Because I know that he 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.280 has not always been able to get the type of 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.480 support that he deserves from black people because he's too black. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.920 He speaks black, UM, he cares about our issues and 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.960 is uncompromised, and we don't always agree. And I tell 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.280 people all the time that Germany and I have had 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.280 to have some real conversations. We were getting ready to 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.600 talk about something right now that I'm not sure we 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.400 agree on. But what we know is that we're this 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.480 relationship that all of us have fostered among the members 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.439 of Until Freedom, GERMANNI and other individuals in the city 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.760 of New York is one that while we may not 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.920 all agree all the time, one thing we agree on 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.040 is that we're all fighting for black people and so 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.800 we're glad to have Germany to join us today. I'm 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.720 honored to be on peace and Blessings, Loving life, I said, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:45.640 I said a great introduction. Appreciate Kamika Mice everything you're 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.080 doing across the country. Like every time I stay y'all 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.880 that joint is this crazy look look at y'all doing anything. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.680 I feel like I'm there with what y'all doing. You know, 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.720 you are brother, definitely extension of us. Man. And every 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.480 time we see you, you know, speaking truth to problem 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.880 and standing on the front lines of the people and 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.440 we're not there, we feel like we're doing so we 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:09.520 want to say we appreciate you, brother. Yeah. So Jamani, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.719 we're talking about ranked choice voting today. Uh street politicians 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.240 tries to be a place that helps to educate our 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.800 folks because, as you know, the tricks move around quickly, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.160 the cards change fast. Everything is always happening, UM, and 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.280 we try to keep people up to speed on what's 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.679 going on. And I think the next few weeks is 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.000 gonna be really important for us to drill down on 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:37.040 ranked choice voting to make sure that just regular folks 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.199 get it. You know, I'm gonna be honest and saying 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.800 that there's been a number of conversations that I've been 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.480 involved in and I really did not understand all of 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.720 the details of this new voting system in New York City. UM, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:56.640 but you have been a supporter of it for various reasons, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.600 and also you understand the intricate details. So I know 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.199 you don't have a long time to be with us today. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.920 Tell us what ranked choice voting is and how it 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.080 impacts this election. And then I want to talk about 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.000 the ramifications of those who are saying, don't do the 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.720 ranked choice voting, just vote for you know, one individual, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.040 So tell us what we need to know. Appreciate you 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.000 and if you if you're in New York, it's the 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.839 first time we're gonna be doing ranked choice voting in 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.080 New York City, has been done in other places across 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.320 the country, and also a minded people of voting has started. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.320 Election day is gonna be on June, but absentee ballots 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.199 are already being sent in an early voting starts on 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.840 June twelve, so people are going to be using ranked 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.160 choice voting. I believe it helps empower and strengthen UH 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.880 one person vote while having some other impacts that are 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.080 beneficial as well. But quite simply, you're simply ranking the 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.920 order in which you prefer a candidate from one to 0:11:55.120 --> 0:12:00.760 five UM, and if no one gets they go through 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.680 the tally to see where people's second, third, fourth, and 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.840 fifth votes are, and they tally that at up and 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:11.600 then we get a winner that by itself generates a 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.880 position with a person who's elected actually has more support 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.360 UH than it was the first time. What most selectors 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.560 won't tell you is we're usually elected by very small 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.880 slice of the population. When I was first selected in 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.480 the city Council won by thick thirty five. That means 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.680 sixty five of the people did not vote for me. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.200 They didn't have a choice to decide whether I wanted 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.600 to be in or not. They just voted for somebody 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.280 else who didn't win. I don't know if that's the 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.120 best way to do it, but this way you can 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.280 actually rank who you'd want for a second third and 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.760 your void your vote, I believe has more weight what 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.959 that has had the advantage of. And most places that 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:56.439 have done this has actually increased diversity by color, by gender, 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.679 sexual orientation, and by ideas because a lot of folks 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.120 who have new ideas is half of them to break 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.880 into it because the system is usually run by those 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.600 who are most established, and put a system where it's 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.280 harder to break in. And that's coming from somebody who 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.640 actually beat an incumbent. So I'm not saying it's impossible, 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.680 but I know the difficulties of it. Uh, And I 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.240 think this is a better way to government and has 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.840 been shown to be a better way to go. So 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.120 let me let me get this straight, because I think 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.640 I'm getting it as I listened to it. So basically, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:33.520 we can if ten people want to vote for Let's 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.440 say they want to vote for you, and it's about 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.439 fifty people voting, and all fifty of the people's second 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.880 vote will probably be me. Yeah, but tend will vote 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.319 for you. Tend will vote for me, tend will vote 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.160 for Tamika and tend with vote for somebody else with 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.680 the second person that they will vote for will probably 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.120 all be the same. Yes, so the second person would 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.320 win to vote over the person who had the most 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.839 first place. Will It's possible. What we've seen is in 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:08.280 over of the time the personal won the first rank 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.040 when but there are times where that's just not the case. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.360 And that's okay because people vote for different reasons. They 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.319 get in there and like, damn, I really like these 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.440 two people, or damn I wish that they have to 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.680 make this choice, and the choice they make can be 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.280 based on many other things. But what we see in 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.360 ranked choice voting, we will get a consensus of some 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.840 of someone where everybody had an input on. And I 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.160 think that's pretty dope. So that second point that everybody 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:39.560 agreed on, if there was one person, like people agree 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.760 on this, one person didn't, but eighty five percent of 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.720 you believe that this second person would be good for 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.200 the majority of us, I think that has way to it. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.440 I think that could change the game of people who 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.200 are in and the ideas that people want to express, 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.520 because the way it is now, quite frankly, I don't 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.240 have to care about the entirety of the city, you know, 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.200 I gotta care about that slice that's gonna come out 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.680 of vote for me and hold me down. UM. And 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.400 that I don't think it's the best way to go 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.640 because people don't then talk to other parts of the community, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.360 other parts of the district, on the city level. Um, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.920 there is uh, you know, runoff if somebody didn't get 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:26.000 which doesn't happen all the time. Not only is that bad, 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.480 it's also wasteful because the amount of money that we 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.040 have to go into not having another off another time, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.000 which by the way, has even less people voting in it. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.000 I don't think quite captures what we want to capture. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.080 This instant think of it as an instant runoff. Um 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.800 is a better way to go. I get it. I 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.760 think I think I might be on your side with 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.600 this one. And I listened to it. It really it 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.040 really is by the people. You know. If people just 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.720 vote for the number one candidate, you know, because they 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.360 he's probably somebody know or whatever, but the second person 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.160 didn't get no votes because they only can vote for 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.560 one person, you know, then more people probably would have 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.360 been like, well, I like this person better. You know, 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.480 if if I had, if I had another opportunity, I 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.400 think I think, I think I see it. I'm thinking, 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.520 what do you think about it too? I think that 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.880 it makes some sense. The only thing that I'm concerned about, honestly, 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:32.040 it is whether or not people are going to be 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.119 disenfranchised because they don't have information, or they don't understand 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.120 it properly, or they feel like it's too much and 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.760 they just don't participate, and maybe it takes a few 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.480 elections to get it right. Um. I worry that with 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.200 a mayoral election coming up, and I know the conversation 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:57.680 we had before, um Jamanni was that people, Um, you 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.360 were saying that most folks do understand it right, that 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.840 there are several, I guess studies or polls, which I'm 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:09.000 always very leary about polls that indicate people get it, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.960 but I know I don't really get it. And what 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.080 I'm concerned about is that if I'm really focused on Maya, 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:21.200 Wily Ray McGuire or you know, any of the other candidates. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.960 Those are the two candidates that I'm particularly looking at 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.160 right now for me. But if I'm focused on one 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.639 or the other or just two of them, now, do 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:36.159 I have to put five people down or four or 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.000 three in order for me really to participate in this 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.680 process and to make sure that my vote is counted. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.520 And now do I am I now responsible for going 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.359 to take the time being a mother of how many 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.040 I got all these things going on, and now I've 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:57.760 got to go research Stringer, Adams and Yang and everybody 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.399 else and try to figure out where they stay ending 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.800 these issues too. I'm just wondering, is it going to 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.600 disenfranchise people in the election is serious as the one 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.399 that we're up against right now, but I think we 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.560 have to put the question in context. Uh, we're disenfranchised 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.160 currently and so it's not like the system that exists 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.439 now produces the results that we want to see. And 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.240 as we were talking about, we've had some issues with 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.600 the last three mayors for various reasons. Bill the Blasio, 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:34.040 Michael Bloomberg, Rudy Giuliani all came from the system that 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.119 exists currently. There are city council members that we have 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.720 had issues with that have continued to lift up structures 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.440 that we don't agree with. They continue to get reelected 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.879 and re elected. Um, so we have to come from 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.440 the context. There's disenfranchisement that occurs now. There are people 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.199 who don't vote for judges simply because they don't have 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.000 time to figure out who those judges are. Most people 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.840 don't vote for the judges. Most people, uh, don't vote 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.400 for reprimending gonna put up. So those things happen right now. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.439 The question is is this gonna make it worse or better? 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.400 I think it will make it better. What we've seen 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.440 and while the polls are important and speaking to people 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.200 is what we've seen is that one, when you do 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.879 the education like happened in the special elections that I 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.920 put in New York City, people get it, even those 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:21.919 who don't necessarily get it when they get to the 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.520 polls where we found it's not that difficult when you 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.520 explain and say rank one to three or four or 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.280 five and so with don't let me jumping in and 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.280 ask a question, being very vulnerable, because I don't want 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.800 this to be they or them me? What is the 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:45.240 cities education process right now? Not so much on candidates, 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:51.160 but on this process to where people will will know, oh, shoot, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.520 I need to do some work before I get there, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.240 because now I'm I'm looking at five people and not 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.439 one or two so I think that is an important question. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.760 What I just want to bring back is that's an 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:07.360 important question. Now if you come in now without having 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.119 ranked choice, voting the old system, not having done the work, 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.760 you may be voting for the wrong person. Right. You 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.040 might be voting for the person that you heard their 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.800 name the most, But those other four person people probably 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.720 you should have been vote for one of them. So 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.160 what some folks and people who are posing this are 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:28.920 pretending as if those questions aren't as valid and as jermaine, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.879 as if you uh didn't have the system in place. Uh. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.200 The system that we're trying to put in I think 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:41.040 helps more once you get it. UM, you can vote 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.520 for one person, I don't think that's the best thing 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.400 to do. That can have the ability of disenfranchising some 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.440 folks because it's like they are disappearing if there is 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.480 a runoff, which they're is likely to be because it's 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.680 hard to get so many people UH in the race. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.520 So going down the line, I believe it's important. Also, 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:08.120 I believe it's important especially to UM make sure that 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.600 UM black and brown folks get it because if they 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.800 don't vote and their problems, there are people telling people 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.320 not to rank certain folks and that's harmful because they 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.719 are all parts of our city that are only more 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:25.000 ccifically engaged. UM. And so the Upper West Side, for example, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.359 which is more cipically engage, ranks one to five and 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:34.719 m Brownsville or UM. White people do it right and 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.119 the black and brown folks do it wrong. Go ahead, 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.720 I'm gonna translate that. That could be a problem because 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.600 then they're they're they're runoff. Votes just didn't count. So 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.439 instead of having people opposed this, but what we all 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.600 should be doing is encouraging people to just rank all five. Well, 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.840 we have no choice at this point. This is not 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.399 an optional I mean, I know that there are some 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.320 people who are trying to encourage people not to use 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.440 their choices, but I don't that. I think we have 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.760 to vote. We have to make sure that we are 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.960 in the game properly. And if you're talking about ranking 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.639 people one through five, we need to be ranking people 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.720 one through five periods. Those of us who are are 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:20.359 dropping endorsements in the next few days, should we be 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.080 telling people one through five? What do you think is best? 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:30.480 For public messaging? I believe for public messaging it's best 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.919 to say one through five and hear who those one 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:38.880 through five are. It is particularly tough because we got 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.320 tough group of folks running for me. So it's not 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.120 like we can, you know, honestly, be like, yo, these 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.680 five people are gonna be great. That is not the case. 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:54.200 You're not realistic. But it's also not realistic to think 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.280 just saying this one or two person is going to 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.520 do it, because that one person or two persons probably 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.880 won't make it. So either way, we're not in great shape. 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:08.720 And so depending where you are, any system looks bad. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.720 But quite frankly, we got a tough group of folks 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:15.919 that we have to choose from, and it is hard. 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.440 I'm grappling with this very question myself, and I hope 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.320 I don't fail. Like because you know, one through five, 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.719 I think it's important. I'm sure we're not gonna get 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.800 on the mayor race, and so it's important to have 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.919 all your traces there, those first two, so you know, 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.959 you gotta have that the first one ain't gonna get it. Basically, like, 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.200 I agree with what you're saying, this is very important. 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.840 Our first two things I want to ask right before 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.720 we leave. It's very important. First of all, let me 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.080