1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:28,316 Speaker 1: Pushkin previously on Deep Cover. 2 00:00:31,516 --> 00:00:33,436 Speaker 2: So he starts telling us how it went down. That 3 00:00:33,556 --> 00:00:38,156 Speaker 2: basically that he and Tommy decided one night to go 4 00:00:38,356 --> 00:00:42,756 Speaker 2: and find a black man, to kill that black man 5 00:00:43,276 --> 00:00:47,076 Speaker 2: so that they could get their spider web tattoos as skinheads. 6 00:00:47,996 --> 00:00:50,436 Speaker 3: How optimistic were you that you were going to be 7 00:00:50,476 --> 00:00:53,396 Speaker 3: able to get them what they needed to solve this. 8 00:00:56,236 --> 00:00:58,836 Speaker 4: I was actually very. 9 00:00:58,676 --> 00:01:02,356 Speaker 3: Optimistic, because we keep pretty good records on our dead bodies. 10 00:01:03,316 --> 00:01:12,156 Speaker 3: We have a name, we have a victim. 11 00:01:15,756 --> 00:01:19,076 Speaker 1: Last November, I traveled to Philadelphia to meet some of 12 00:01:19,116 --> 00:01:20,676 Speaker 1: Iron Wood's relatives. 13 00:01:21,116 --> 00:01:24,036 Speaker 5: Hello, my name is Michelle Wood, and Ron Wood is 14 00:01:24,076 --> 00:01:24,556 Speaker 5: my uncle. 15 00:01:25,596 --> 00:01:28,316 Speaker 1: It struck me right away that Michelle used the present 16 00:01:28,436 --> 00:01:32,956 Speaker 1: tense iroan is her uncle, as if on some level 17 00:01:33,236 --> 00:01:35,956 Speaker 1: he's still alive for her, and he kind of is. 18 00:01:36,596 --> 00:01:39,756 Speaker 1: He still looms in her memories, even though Michelle was 19 00:01:39,796 --> 00:01:42,836 Speaker 1: just three years old back in nineteen eighty nine when 20 00:01:42,876 --> 00:01:43,556 Speaker 1: he was murdered. 21 00:01:44,676 --> 00:01:47,116 Speaker 5: I always get this vision, but I don't know if 22 00:01:47,156 --> 00:01:51,716 Speaker 5: it was like me just thinking about what happened, or 23 00:01:51,796 --> 00:01:55,196 Speaker 5: if I actually remembered, but I always have this vision 24 00:01:55,236 --> 00:01:59,996 Speaker 5: of on my grandmom's living room and everybody like in 25 00:02:00,036 --> 00:02:02,716 Speaker 5: a circle. Hugging each other and crying. 26 00:02:04,116 --> 00:02:08,076 Speaker 1: For Michelle, this vision, this memory is from the time 27 00:02:08,116 --> 00:02:10,636 Speaker 1: that her uncle died, when they all gathered at her 28 00:02:10,636 --> 00:02:15,356 Speaker 1: grandmother's house in North Philadelphia to mourn. And you heard 29 00:02:15,356 --> 00:02:17,996 Speaker 1: her say, she can't even be sure if it's a 30 00:02:18,036 --> 00:02:21,276 Speaker 1: real memory or something that she's just been told about 31 00:02:21,436 --> 00:02:24,316 Speaker 1: so many times that it has slowly leached into her 32 00:02:24,316 --> 00:02:30,316 Speaker 1: consciousness and become a memory. That vision of her family 33 00:02:30,716 --> 00:02:33,756 Speaker 1: was something that she recalled and felt every time she 34 00:02:33,796 --> 00:02:38,276 Speaker 1: walked into her grandmother's living room. Growing up, Michelle says 35 00:02:38,436 --> 00:02:42,516 Speaker 1: she was very close with her grandmother, Dorothy Wood, Iran's mother. 36 00:02:43,356 --> 00:02:46,196 Speaker 1: Michelle often wanted to ask her grandmother to talk about 37 00:02:46,236 --> 00:02:49,396 Speaker 1: the past, to share some stories about her uncle Aran, 38 00:02:50,276 --> 00:02:54,676 Speaker 1: but Michelle didn't ask because she'd been warned not to. 39 00:02:56,316 --> 00:02:58,556 Speaker 5: My dad will always say like, if you have any 40 00:02:58,636 --> 00:03:02,036 Speaker 5: questions about your uncle, asks me. You know, don't really 41 00:03:02,076 --> 00:03:05,116 Speaker 5: try to talk to your grandma aboudy. So I would 42 00:03:05,156 --> 00:03:08,116 Speaker 5: just listen when someone says something, but I didn't ask 43 00:03:08,156 --> 00:03:11,476 Speaker 5: because I just felt like it was like a short topic. 44 00:03:13,036 --> 00:03:18,436 Speaker 1: Occasionally Dorothy would talk about Iran. Michelle says back then, 45 00:03:18,636 --> 00:03:21,756 Speaker 1: even as a child, she could sense her grandmother's pain, 46 00:03:22,676 --> 00:03:25,076 Speaker 1: and she also sensed that her grandmother was trying to 47 00:03:25,076 --> 00:03:28,196 Speaker 1: make sense of what had happened, of why Iran had 48 00:03:28,196 --> 00:03:30,956 Speaker 1: been killed, because no one had ever been able to 49 00:03:30,996 --> 00:03:35,556 Speaker 1: offer the family any explanation, not the police, or the neighbors, 50 00:03:35,916 --> 00:03:40,396 Speaker 1: or even Iran's friends, and then not knowing seemed to 51 00:03:40,396 --> 00:03:41,636 Speaker 1: eat away at Dorothy. 52 00:03:43,276 --> 00:03:46,396 Speaker 5: I think that when it comes to certain particular deaths, 53 00:03:46,796 --> 00:03:49,876 Speaker 5: I think that sometimes we put on a front with 54 00:03:49,916 --> 00:03:54,116 Speaker 5: the world like we've gotten over it, because maybe people 55 00:03:54,316 --> 00:03:56,876 Speaker 5: feel like they might be taught to hearing about it, 56 00:03:56,996 --> 00:03:58,996 Speaker 5: or it's been so long you should be over it. 57 00:04:00,116 --> 00:04:03,836 Speaker 1: Michelle remembers that her grandmother often recalled things that Iran 58 00:04:03,996 --> 00:04:08,396 Speaker 1: said before he died. Apparently there were certain Bible verses 59 00:04:09,316 --> 00:04:13,636 Speaker 1: to paraphrase, like when Jesus said, put your sword back 60 00:04:13,636 --> 00:04:16,996 Speaker 1: into its place, for all who take the sword will 61 00:04:17,036 --> 00:04:21,796 Speaker 1: perish by the sword. Dorothy wondered aloud, Why had Iron 62 00:04:21,916 --> 00:04:25,716 Speaker 1: quoted this particular verse? What was he trying to tell us? 63 00:04:26,676 --> 00:04:29,956 Speaker 1: Dorothy puzzled over this and other things that Iran said, 64 00:04:30,756 --> 00:04:34,596 Speaker 1: as if these memories or these cryptic bits somehow held 65 00:04:34,596 --> 00:04:36,316 Speaker 1: the secret to her son's fate. 66 00:04:37,716 --> 00:04:39,916 Speaker 5: I think she was trying to get answers. I feel 67 00:04:39,996 --> 00:04:42,436 Speaker 5: like she was still heartbroken a body. 68 00:04:43,956 --> 00:04:47,476 Speaker 1: In some ways, Michelle was also looking for answers. She 69 00:04:47,596 --> 00:04:50,996 Speaker 1: too wanted to know more about her uncle Iran, But 70 00:04:51,116 --> 00:04:55,076 Speaker 1: there was perhaps quite understandably, a sense among some family 71 00:04:55,156 --> 00:04:59,116 Speaker 1: members that the past was the past. It was painful, 72 00:04:59,436 --> 00:05:02,436 Speaker 1: so best to let it be, best to move on. 73 00:05:04,316 --> 00:05:10,156 Speaker 1: For Dorothy, this brokenheartedness, this yearning for an answer, It 74 00:05:10,196 --> 00:05:13,716 Speaker 1: continued for a very long time, but there was no movement, 75 00:05:14,196 --> 00:05:19,236 Speaker 1: no news, nothing. It seemed possible she'd never know who 76 00:05:19,316 --> 00:05:24,956 Speaker 1: murdered her son or why. But then, seventeen years later, 77 00:05:25,196 --> 00:05:28,436 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, the Phillip d showed up 78 00:05:28,476 --> 00:05:33,076 Speaker 1: at her house and knocked on her door. These cops 79 00:05:33,116 --> 00:05:37,476 Speaker 1: were acting on intel from Scott and Terry's investigation. This 80 00:05:37,596 --> 00:05:40,356 Speaker 1: door knock, it would set off a chain of events 81 00:05:40,636 --> 00:05:44,236 Speaker 1: that would upend the Wood family and its understanding of 82 00:05:44,276 --> 00:05:49,436 Speaker 1: the past, and it would instill in the family another yearning, 83 00:05:49,676 --> 00:06:09,876 Speaker 1: entirely a yearning for justice. I'm Jay Calburn and this 84 00:06:09,956 --> 00:06:28,516 Speaker 1: is Deep Cover, Season four, The Nameless Man, Episode three, 85 00:06:28,996 --> 00:06:39,116 Speaker 1: The Yearning. When I started working on this story, one 86 00:06:39,156 --> 00:06:41,516 Speaker 1: of the first things I did was reach out to 87 00:06:41,556 --> 00:06:45,676 Speaker 1: the Wood family. I wrote letters, emails, sent a few texts. 88 00:06:46,396 --> 00:06:50,596 Speaker 1: Initially I got no response, and then finally I heard 89 00:06:50,596 --> 00:06:54,356 Speaker 1: back from Michelle right away. She became my ambassador to 90 00:06:54,396 --> 00:06:57,236 Speaker 1: the Wood family. She told me that I really needed 91 00:06:57,236 --> 00:07:00,876 Speaker 1: to speak with her father and her uncle, Iran's brothers. 92 00:07:01,356 --> 00:07:05,036 Speaker 1: They were in their twenties when Iron died. Michelle suggested 93 00:07:05,116 --> 00:07:07,716 Speaker 1: that I come down to Philadelphia and that we all 94 00:07:07,756 --> 00:07:12,956 Speaker 1: get together. The Wood family had never really spoken publicly 95 00:07:12,996 --> 00:07:16,716 Speaker 1: about Iran's death, not in any depth or detail anyhow, 96 00:07:17,516 --> 00:07:20,596 Speaker 1: so I was surprised by this invitation, but I can't 97 00:07:20,636 --> 00:07:23,796 Speaker 1: take any credit for it. It was all Michelle. She 98 00:07:23,956 --> 00:07:27,116 Speaker 1: made it happen, and I got the sense it wasn't 99 00:07:27,156 --> 00:07:30,396 Speaker 1: even that she wanted to speak so much as she 100 00:07:30,476 --> 00:07:33,276 Speaker 1: wanted to listen to hear what her dad and her 101 00:07:33,356 --> 00:07:38,516 Speaker 1: uncle had to say. All these years later, Michelle still 102 00:07:38,596 --> 00:07:41,916 Speaker 1: yearned to know more about her own family and her 103 00:07:41,996 --> 00:07:46,596 Speaker 1: uncle Aran, the man who'd been murdered under mysterious circumstances 104 00:07:47,156 --> 00:07:52,396 Speaker 1: when she was just three years old. We all met 105 00:07:52,476 --> 00:07:55,316 Speaker 1: up in an apartment that I rented in the Fairmount 106 00:07:55,356 --> 00:07:59,276 Speaker 1: neighborhood of Philly. It was me, a producer, Amy, and 107 00:07:59,356 --> 00:08:03,156 Speaker 1: three members of the Wood family. Michelle, her dad Michael, 108 00:08:03,516 --> 00:08:07,476 Speaker 1: and her uncle Tyrone. The five of us crammed into 109 00:08:07,476 --> 00:08:09,796 Speaker 1: a tiny shoe box of a living room. I mean 110 00:08:09,836 --> 00:08:12,516 Speaker 1: the chairs were jammed in so tight our feet were 111 00:08:12,556 --> 00:08:16,676 Speaker 1: practically touching. Dorothy passed away a few years ago, so 112 00:08:17,036 --> 00:08:20,196 Speaker 1: sadly she wasn't there are we rolling on both? 113 00:08:20,956 --> 00:08:22,396 Speaker 4: Okay, so let's talk about names. 114 00:08:22,436 --> 00:08:25,516 Speaker 1: We're gonna pause for a second. That's my names, names, 115 00:08:25,876 --> 00:08:27,916 Speaker 1: because the first thing you got to know about the 116 00:08:27,956 --> 00:08:32,396 Speaker 1: Wood family is everyone has a nickname. Tyrone he's the 117 00:08:32,436 --> 00:08:35,676 Speaker 1: youngest child, the baby. He was almost eight years younger 118 00:08:35,716 --> 00:08:40,076 Speaker 1: than Iran. His nickname is the Golden Child because as 119 00:08:40,116 --> 00:08:43,716 Speaker 1: a kid he got away with everything. But was that 120 00:08:43,996 --> 00:08:47,036 Speaker 1: uh was that like a name that you embraced or 121 00:08:47,076 --> 00:08:48,316 Speaker 1: were you like, Oh. 122 00:08:48,196 --> 00:08:50,316 Speaker 4: I embraced it. I embraced it because I knew it 123 00:08:50,316 --> 00:08:50,996 Speaker 4: was true. 124 00:08:54,356 --> 00:08:58,316 Speaker 1: And then there's Michael, the middle child. He's Michelle's dad. 125 00:08:58,796 --> 00:09:02,156 Speaker 1: He was six years younger than Iran, and he has 126 00:09:02,156 --> 00:09:03,156 Speaker 1: a nickname too. 127 00:09:03,156 --> 00:09:06,116 Speaker 6: Just go erin from the seventies like that, because when 128 00:09:06,116 --> 00:09:08,756 Speaker 6: I started DJing in eighty two, that was still to 129 00:09:08,836 --> 00:09:11,796 Speaker 6: discover the air was still coming. So that's why a 130 00:09:11,796 --> 00:09:13,836 Speaker 6: lot of people, some people I grew up with. They 131 00:09:13,876 --> 00:09:16,156 Speaker 6: know me as they'll call me DJ Mike, They'll call 132 00:09:16,196 --> 00:09:17,436 Speaker 6: me Disco Mike. 133 00:09:19,996 --> 00:09:21,676 Speaker 4: Disco. Yeah. 134 00:09:22,196 --> 00:09:25,396 Speaker 1: It was clear to me from the start, just a 135 00:09:25,436 --> 00:09:28,436 Speaker 1: few minutes into our conversation that this is a family 136 00:09:28,636 --> 00:09:31,916 Speaker 1: that likes to laugh. They told me they've always enjoyed 137 00:09:31,916 --> 00:09:36,876 Speaker 1: each other's company. Tyrone the Golden Child remembers Thanksgivings when 138 00:09:36,876 --> 00:09:38,876 Speaker 1: he would cook dinner and then cuddle up with his 139 00:09:38,956 --> 00:09:42,036 Speaker 1: knees on the couch where he'd fall asleep instantly. 140 00:09:43,916 --> 00:09:47,236 Speaker 7: Yes, we had a you know, football game one because 141 00:09:47,236 --> 00:09:52,756 Speaker 7: I cooked and not all the time, not all the time. 142 00:09:52,796 --> 00:09:53,716 Speaker 7: But are you gonna talk about that? 143 00:09:53,876 --> 00:09:57,396 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, that's how I was at my grandma host 144 00:09:57,476 --> 00:10:00,876 Speaker 5: to a couch, always fell asleep on couch. 145 00:10:01,196 --> 00:10:04,036 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was a sleeping film. 146 00:10:04,236 --> 00:10:04,436 Speaker 2: Yeah. 147 00:10:05,036 --> 00:10:06,316 Speaker 4: Well, you guys said something. 148 00:10:06,396 --> 00:10:07,636 Speaker 1: You guys have a close family. 149 00:10:07,956 --> 00:10:12,156 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. 150 00:10:12,636 --> 00:10:15,396 Speaker 1: At this point, there was a pause in our conversation. 151 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:19,316 Speaker 1: No one spoke for a moment. You could almost feel 152 00:10:19,316 --> 00:10:23,196 Speaker 1: a muted sadness creep into the room like cold air 153 00:10:23,356 --> 00:10:27,996 Speaker 1: through a crack in the wall. And then, totally unprompted, 154 00:10:28,596 --> 00:10:30,436 Speaker 1: Michelle said, uh. 155 00:10:30,316 --> 00:10:31,876 Speaker 5: You know, I often wonder how it would have been 156 00:10:31,876 --> 00:10:35,676 Speaker 5: if my uncle was still up, you know, getting to 157 00:10:35,716 --> 00:10:36,436 Speaker 5: know him more. 158 00:10:37,036 --> 00:10:38,996 Speaker 1: Where does that thought leave you when you go down 159 00:10:39,076 --> 00:10:39,476 Speaker 1: that road? 160 00:10:40,356 --> 00:10:43,756 Speaker 5: Oh I guess now, I feel like this would be 161 00:10:43,796 --> 00:10:46,956 Speaker 5: a good time to start, you know, bridging the gifts 162 00:10:47,116 --> 00:10:48,116 Speaker 5: and stuff with our. 163 00:10:47,996 --> 00:10:52,956 Speaker 1: Family, bridging the gaps. Michelle was referring to other relatives 164 00:10:52,956 --> 00:10:56,276 Speaker 1: in the family who knew Iran that they'd lost touch with. 165 00:10:57,276 --> 00:11:00,356 Speaker 1: But as I saw it, there seemed to be other 166 00:11:00,476 --> 00:11:05,036 Speaker 1: gaps too, gaps in memory, things that Michelle couldn't remember 167 00:11:05,436 --> 00:11:09,516 Speaker 1: or never knew about her uncle Iran. And that's really 168 00:11:09,556 --> 00:11:12,236 Speaker 1: while we were here to talk about the one brother 169 00:11:12,596 --> 00:11:19,916 Speaker 1: who was absent. Iran, of course, had a nickname of 170 00:11:19,956 --> 00:11:24,196 Speaker 1: his own, Cat. Apparently it came from the animated cartoon 171 00:11:24,556 --> 00:11:27,236 Speaker 1: Top Cat. It was popular back in the sixties. 172 00:11:27,716 --> 00:11:28,356 Speaker 4: The top Cat. 173 00:11:29,276 --> 00:11:31,316 Speaker 1: Top Cat was the leader of a gang of alley 174 00:11:31,396 --> 00:11:34,716 Speaker 1: cats from Manhattan who were always hustling with get rich 175 00:11:34,796 --> 00:11:39,996 Speaker 1: quick schemes. Their plans usually backfired comically. So Iran was 176 00:11:40,036 --> 00:11:42,876 Speaker 1: a big fan of the show, and apparently he was 177 00:11:42,916 --> 00:11:44,156 Speaker 1: also a smooth operator. 178 00:11:45,196 --> 00:11:48,036 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, he was. He's a smooth, smooth dude. I mean, 179 00:11:48,956 --> 00:11:51,796 Speaker 7: you know, he, like I said, he wasn't the biggest guy. 180 00:11:52,356 --> 00:11:55,596 Speaker 7: But everybody respected him. I mean they just and they 181 00:11:55,676 --> 00:11:58,436 Speaker 7: listened to him. You know, old cat said, this cat 182 00:11:58,476 --> 00:12:01,756 Speaker 7: said that he loved he loved cats. Soon he loved cads. 183 00:12:01,756 --> 00:12:05,516 Speaker 6: I remember I was funny, right because I remember he 184 00:12:05,556 --> 00:12:07,396 Speaker 6: would when he would kiss the cats, he would kiss 185 00:12:07,476 --> 00:12:10,156 Speaker 6: him in the name off and my mom was, I'll tell 186 00:12:10,156 --> 00:12:10,996 Speaker 6: his girlfriend, I don't know. 187 00:12:10,956 --> 00:12:11,476 Speaker 4: Why you kiss. 188 00:12:11,516 --> 00:12:13,116 Speaker 6: On the line, he'd be kissing them cats in the. 189 00:12:17,396 --> 00:12:20,836 Speaker 1: In the neighborhood. Iran seemed to embrace the role of topcat, 190 00:12:21,236 --> 00:12:23,676 Speaker 1: a little guy with a lot of bluster. He was 191 00:12:23,716 --> 00:12:27,116 Speaker 1: a good basketball player and a ladies man too, a 192 00:12:27,156 --> 00:12:30,516 Speaker 1: real sharp dresser. In fact, as he got older and 193 00:12:30,516 --> 00:12:33,716 Speaker 1: could afford it, Iran had his clothing custom made by 194 00:12:33,756 --> 00:12:38,596 Speaker 1: a local tailor. Iran very much played the role of 195 00:12:38,636 --> 00:12:42,316 Speaker 1: the big brother, looking out for his siblings, keeping them safe. 196 00:12:42,716 --> 00:12:46,076 Speaker 1: When Michael or Tyrone played basketball or hung out at 197 00:12:46,076 --> 00:12:48,756 Speaker 1: the park, they never had to worry about people messing 198 00:12:48,796 --> 00:12:52,916 Speaker 1: with them. Everyone knew they were cats, younger brothers, and 199 00:12:52,996 --> 00:12:57,276 Speaker 1: according to Tyrone, this allowed them to remain just kids 200 00:12:57,716 --> 00:13:02,796 Speaker 1: much longer than they otherwise would have, even though there 201 00:13:02,916 --> 00:13:06,756 Speaker 1: was crime in their neighborhood. The Woods House never got burglarized. 202 00:13:07,476 --> 00:13:10,476 Speaker 1: This was Aron's doing. The brother told me, this was 203 00:13:10,596 --> 00:13:15,156 Speaker 1: his reputation, keeping them safe like a shield, or so 204 00:13:15,276 --> 00:13:23,356 Speaker 1: it seemed. In the late seventies and early eighties, when 205 00:13:23,356 --> 00:13:27,076 Speaker 1: the Wood brothers were coming of age, Philadelphia was grappling 206 00:13:27,076 --> 00:13:30,796 Speaker 1: with an uptick in homicides, and at times the threat 207 00:13:30,796 --> 00:13:34,116 Speaker 1: of danger felt very real to the Wood family. There 208 00:13:34,156 --> 00:13:37,516 Speaker 1: was one occasion when Iran was in his twenties, Aram 209 00:13:37,596 --> 00:13:39,876 Speaker 1: was at the park. Someone shot off a gun and 210 00:13:39,956 --> 00:13:42,916 Speaker 1: the bullet grazed at Iran's body. He had to go 211 00:13:42,916 --> 00:13:45,436 Speaker 1: to the hospital to get patched up. What was a 212 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:51,916 Speaker 1: close call and reminder that no one was entirely safe. 213 00:13:51,996 --> 00:13:54,196 Speaker 1: The brothers say that Iran was the type of young 214 00:13:54,276 --> 00:13:57,836 Speaker 1: man who was always testing boundaries, pushing it a little bit, 215 00:13:58,276 --> 00:14:02,516 Speaker 1: which sometimes caused tension with their mom, Dorothy. Even so 216 00:14:03,036 --> 00:14:06,836 Speaker 1: Iran helped out. Whatever money he made, he always shared 217 00:14:06,876 --> 00:14:09,516 Speaker 1: it with their mom. Here's Michael, I. 218 00:14:09,476 --> 00:14:10,636 Speaker 4: Do not even give him money. 219 00:14:10,916 --> 00:14:13,876 Speaker 6: You know, whatever various jobs or whatever he did out 220 00:14:13,876 --> 00:14:14,956 Speaker 6: on the STREETL like that. 221 00:14:15,036 --> 00:14:16,676 Speaker 4: He wasn't no choir boy, you. 222 00:14:16,636 --> 00:14:19,516 Speaker 6: Know, because he was evolving different things. You know, he was, 223 00:14:19,716 --> 00:14:21,356 Speaker 6: I mean, I know he was in this you know, 224 00:14:21,436 --> 00:14:22,996 Speaker 6: selling drugs and stuff like that. 225 00:14:24,356 --> 00:14:27,676 Speaker 1: Michael and Tyrone didn't know all the details, but they 226 00:14:27,756 --> 00:14:32,556 Speaker 1: understood their older brother was quote no choir boy. By 227 00:14:32,596 --> 00:14:34,956 Speaker 1: the time that he was in his late twenties, Iran 228 00:14:35,036 --> 00:14:39,356 Speaker 1: ran a local speakeasy and he also sold drugs. But 229 00:14:39,476 --> 00:14:43,596 Speaker 1: to his brothers he was top cat, the lovable rascal 230 00:14:43,636 --> 00:14:46,676 Speaker 1: who was always there for them. When it came time 231 00:14:46,716 --> 00:14:49,156 Speaker 1: for Disco Mike to go to the prom, it was 232 00:14:49,236 --> 00:14:52,316 Speaker 1: Iran who took him to get a snazzy suit at 233 00:14:52,356 --> 00:14:56,236 Speaker 1: a men's shop called Today's Man. Later, when Michael wanted 234 00:14:56,276 --> 00:14:59,076 Speaker 1: to find work as a DJ, Iran had him spin 235 00:14:59,156 --> 00:15:03,836 Speaker 1: records at his speakeasy. Tyrone, the youngest the Golden Child, 236 00:15:04,356 --> 00:15:07,596 Speaker 1: remembers fondly being in his twenties and going to Cats 237 00:15:07,596 --> 00:15:11,156 Speaker 1: speakeasy when Disco Mike would spend his records. 238 00:15:11,676 --> 00:15:14,476 Speaker 7: He would DJ and my brother would you know, run 239 00:15:14,516 --> 00:15:17,236 Speaker 7: the place, and you know, at the at the end 240 00:15:17,276 --> 00:15:19,356 Speaker 7: of the night we would go up there. He'd count 241 00:15:19,396 --> 00:15:23,916 Speaker 7: the money or whatever, give Michael whatever, And that was 242 00:15:23,956 --> 00:15:27,396 Speaker 7: like a really fun time for me because it was 243 00:15:27,756 --> 00:15:29,676 Speaker 7: a time I got to spend time with both my 244 00:15:29,716 --> 00:15:34,716 Speaker 7: brothers at the same time with no no, no drama 245 00:15:35,036 --> 00:15:38,556 Speaker 7: or no nothing wrong, if just a happy time. 246 00:15:43,756 --> 00:15:47,076 Speaker 1: Tyrone smiled when he told this story. You could see 247 00:15:47,156 --> 00:15:50,476 Speaker 1: him doing that thing where for a moment, you kind 248 00:15:50,476 --> 00:15:53,276 Speaker 1: of step away from yourself and go back in time. 249 00:15:54,116 --> 00:15:58,996 Speaker 1: It was sweet to watch, but also painful because I 250 00:15:59,036 --> 00:16:05,476 Speaker 1: knew what came next. We're gonna take a quick break. 251 00:16:19,796 --> 00:16:23,036 Speaker 1: There are single moments in time when fate takes a 252 00:16:23,116 --> 00:16:26,876 Speaker 1: jagged turn, like a dog like intersection that dumps you 253 00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:30,756 Speaker 1: into a dead end. For the Wood family, this moment 254 00:16:30,796 --> 00:16:36,676 Speaker 1: occurred in April of nineteen eighty nine. The Wood brothers 255 00:16:36,716 --> 00:16:40,556 Speaker 1: were adults. They had families of their own. Iran was 256 00:16:40,596 --> 00:16:44,436 Speaker 1: thirty three, Michael was twenty eight, and Tyrone, the baby, 257 00:16:44,676 --> 00:16:49,996 Speaker 1: the Golden Child, was twenty six. It was Tyrone who 258 00:16:49,996 --> 00:16:52,836 Speaker 1: got the call from their mother telling him that something 259 00:16:52,956 --> 00:16:56,316 Speaker 1: terrible had happened. Their oldest brother had been shot in 260 00:16:56,356 --> 00:17:00,436 Speaker 1: the head and left for dead. The police didn't have 261 00:17:00,476 --> 00:17:05,596 Speaker 1: a shooter. They didn't even have any leads either. Tyrone 262 00:17:05,636 --> 00:17:09,556 Speaker 1: and Michael were at a loss. Sure, maybe Ron was 263 00:17:09,636 --> 00:17:12,236 Speaker 1: no choir boy, but as far as they knew, he 264 00:17:12,236 --> 00:17:16,076 Speaker 1: didn't have any enemies either. As Tyrone recalled. 265 00:17:16,156 --> 00:17:17,436 Speaker 4: Everybody liked him. 266 00:17:17,556 --> 00:17:21,556 Speaker 7: That's why We was baffled, like, oh, somebody shot a 267 00:17:21,596 --> 00:17:26,996 Speaker 7: Ron shot Aron. You can't nah, no way, And I 268 00:17:26,996 --> 00:17:29,356 Speaker 7: guess that's what Pussimos beginning. 269 00:17:30,876 --> 00:17:31,756 Speaker 4: Couldn't figure that out. 270 00:17:34,316 --> 00:17:37,356 Speaker 1: Still in a state of shock, the brothers rushed over 271 00:17:37,436 --> 00:17:40,316 Speaker 1: to be with their mom. How did your mom? What 272 00:17:40,596 --> 00:17:41,316 Speaker 1: state was your mom? 273 00:17:41,396 --> 00:17:46,476 Speaker 7: And at that point, I know she was really out 274 00:17:46,476 --> 00:17:52,276 Speaker 7: of it. She was really destroyed. She was really destroyed. 275 00:17:52,276 --> 00:17:54,236 Speaker 7: She was in kind of a bad way. So we 276 00:17:54,876 --> 00:17:57,436 Speaker 7: tried to just be there for her. I don't know 277 00:17:58,156 --> 00:18:03,196 Speaker 7: what can we say. You know, that's her oldest son. 278 00:18:03,516 --> 00:18:06,636 Speaker 7: You know, I didn't know how to react, especially to 279 00:18:06,676 --> 00:18:11,396 Speaker 7: a violent crime like that. I was kind of mad 280 00:18:11,436 --> 00:18:14,396 Speaker 7: at God. I was like, how can you do this 281 00:18:14,436 --> 00:18:16,516 Speaker 7: to me? I was thinking, well, what do we wanna 282 00:18:16,556 --> 00:18:19,516 Speaker 7: do now? You know that sort of thing, you know, 283 00:18:19,596 --> 00:18:22,796 Speaker 7: how do we how do we go on? And then 284 00:18:22,876 --> 00:18:25,676 Speaker 7: cause you know, that was the first real violence in 285 00:18:25,676 --> 00:18:29,916 Speaker 7: my life, and that at that time, it took me. 286 00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:35,036 Speaker 7: I went to a tailspind. I wasn't myself, you know, 287 00:18:35,116 --> 00:18:39,436 Speaker 7: cause I was just in self destruct mode. I guess 288 00:18:40,356 --> 00:18:47,316 Speaker 7: day before his funeral, I disappeared. I was drinking and 289 00:18:47,316 --> 00:18:49,756 Speaker 7: and you know, as a matter of fact, I came 290 00:18:49,796 --> 00:18:52,796 Speaker 7: to my mother's house the day before the funeral, uh 291 00:18:52,956 --> 00:18:54,636 Speaker 7: in the middle of the night, and they made me 292 00:18:54,636 --> 00:18:55,796 Speaker 7: go upstairs and go to bed. 293 00:18:57,076 --> 00:18:59,916 Speaker 1: They took away his keys. They didn't want him driving. 294 00:19:00,476 --> 00:19:03,916 Speaker 1: They just wanted to keep him safe. A few days later, 295 00:19:04,636 --> 00:19:07,156 Speaker 1: Tyrone went to the spot where his brother was killed 296 00:19:07,636 --> 00:19:10,036 Speaker 1: on the thirteen hundred block of Stillman Street. 297 00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:17,356 Speaker 7: I actually want to see, oh, where it happened. When 298 00:19:17,396 --> 00:19:22,916 Speaker 7: was the last place he was at? Yeah, I also 299 00:19:22,956 --> 00:19:24,356 Speaker 7: want to see the last place he was at. 300 00:19:24,756 --> 00:19:29,516 Speaker 1: Basically, did he give you any peace or anything? 301 00:19:29,676 --> 00:19:29,716 Speaker 5: No. 302 00:19:31,356 --> 00:19:36,596 Speaker 7: I wept a lot. I don't even I don't even 303 00:19:36,636 --> 00:19:38,756 Speaker 7: know who was with me. I don't know if I 304 00:19:38,796 --> 00:19:41,476 Speaker 7: was by myself. I don't know. I just know I 305 00:19:41,596 --> 00:19:47,876 Speaker 7: drove there and I just cried and cried and just 306 00:19:49,196 --> 00:19:50,796 Speaker 7: you know, but I had to see. I had to 307 00:19:50,796 --> 00:19:54,036 Speaker 7: see the last place my brother was here was on earth. 308 00:19:56,556 --> 00:20:00,996 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Michael, the middle brother, he was also struggling. The 309 00:20:01,116 --> 00:20:03,796 Speaker 1: night before the service, he went to the funeral home 310 00:20:03,836 --> 00:20:06,956 Speaker 1: to see his brother in a coffin, and in this 311 00:20:07,076 --> 00:20:18,556 Speaker 1: quiet moment, he kissed around on the forehead. What Michael 312 00:20:18,556 --> 00:20:22,556 Speaker 1: remembers next is the wake. Everyone gathered at their mom's 313 00:20:22,556 --> 00:20:26,476 Speaker 1: house to grieve and pay their respects. Michael was still 314 00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:30,156 Speaker 1: grasping for answers. There was still no new information on 315 00:20:30,196 --> 00:20:34,716 Speaker 1: who murdered Iran, just rumors speculation about who might have 316 00:20:34,796 --> 00:20:38,716 Speaker 1: a motive, but it was all chatter. At some point, 317 00:20:38,956 --> 00:20:42,716 Speaker 1: Michael recalls, one of his aunts sat him down because 318 00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:45,676 Speaker 1: there was something important that you wanted to tell him. 319 00:20:46,436 --> 00:20:49,876 Speaker 6: She said, you have to forgive the person they killed 320 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:52,196 Speaker 6: your brother. And I don't even know this person is. 321 00:20:52,596 --> 00:20:54,996 Speaker 6: I know he's somewhere around, I don't know. It could 322 00:20:54,996 --> 00:20:58,156 Speaker 6: be somebody that came in in Allowance where I worked 323 00:20:58,156 --> 00:21:00,116 Speaker 6: at DJ and stuff like that. I don't even know 324 00:21:00,156 --> 00:21:02,476 Speaker 6: who this person is. Because it was like all kinds 325 00:21:02,516 --> 00:21:04,556 Speaker 6: of rumors or I think so and so did it 326 00:21:04,716 --> 00:21:06,676 Speaker 6: was he had an incident with this person. He had 327 00:21:06,676 --> 00:21:09,036 Speaker 6: an incidant with that person, you know, so we don't 328 00:21:09,196 --> 00:21:10,356 Speaker 6: even know who the enemy is. 329 00:21:11,796 --> 00:21:15,236 Speaker 1: Michael had no idea who'd killed his brother, not at all, 330 00:21:15,956 --> 00:21:18,876 Speaker 1: but his aunt was insistent that he needed to embrace 331 00:21:18,916 --> 00:21:22,356 Speaker 1: the Lord's Prayer one verse especially. 332 00:21:22,716 --> 00:21:25,196 Speaker 6: Which it says, particularly in the Lord's Prayer that in 333 00:21:25,276 --> 00:21:27,116 Speaker 6: order for God to forgive you for your sin, you 334 00:21:27,116 --> 00:21:28,836 Speaker 6: have to forgive your enemies like that. 335 00:21:29,396 --> 00:21:32,116 Speaker 1: But this raises his question of like, how do you 336 00:21:32,196 --> 00:21:35,156 Speaker 1: forgive someone that you don't even know who that person is? 337 00:21:35,196 --> 00:21:38,076 Speaker 6: You don't know because you don't. I mean, it's hard, 338 00:21:38,236 --> 00:21:44,276 Speaker 6: it's hard. I'm told this, and technically did I forgive 339 00:21:44,276 --> 00:21:46,756 Speaker 6: that person at the time? My aunt is telling me this, 340 00:21:46,876 --> 00:21:49,636 Speaker 6: and it's in my mind, but I don't think, be 341 00:21:49,716 --> 00:21:51,356 Speaker 6: honest with you, I don't think right then, and I'm 342 00:21:51,356 --> 00:21:52,516 Speaker 6: not forgiving that person. 343 00:21:54,076 --> 00:21:56,916 Speaker 1: And how could he? How can you forgive a person 344 00:21:56,956 --> 00:22:00,756 Speaker 1: you don't know, someone you can't picture, someone who has 345 00:22:00,796 --> 00:22:05,036 Speaker 1: no face and no name. And this underscores a central 346 00:22:05,196 --> 00:22:10,516 Speaker 1: irony and tragedy of this entire story. For the investigators 347 00:22:10,516 --> 00:22:13,316 Speaker 1: who were trying to solve this case, the federal agents, 348 00:22:14,116 --> 00:22:17,676 Speaker 1: their nameless man was the victim. Until they found him, 349 00:22:18,276 --> 00:22:22,516 Speaker 1: they had nothing, no case, and no closure. But for 350 00:22:22,556 --> 00:22:26,876 Speaker 1: the Woods, their nameless man was the perpetrator, the murderer, 351 00:22:27,596 --> 00:22:30,676 Speaker 1: and until they found out who he was, there could 352 00:22:30,676 --> 00:22:38,156 Speaker 1: be no forgiveness nor any peace either. In the aftermath 353 00:22:38,196 --> 00:22:41,396 Speaker 1: of Iran's death, everyone in the Wood family struggled in 354 00:22:41,436 --> 00:22:46,196 Speaker 1: their own way. Tyrone, the youngest, the golden child, struggled 355 00:22:46,196 --> 00:22:50,236 Speaker 1: with alcoholism. 356 00:22:48,316 --> 00:22:55,396 Speaker 7: Basically lost I lost a lot my first marriage. I 357 00:22:55,476 --> 00:22:59,356 Speaker 7: lost that, so I had to basically just built myself 358 00:22:59,396 --> 00:23:00,356 Speaker 7: back up again. 359 00:23:01,596 --> 00:23:05,956 Speaker 1: Tyrone went to rehab, got sober, and leaned into his faith. 360 00:23:06,756 --> 00:23:11,356 Speaker 7: I started reading the book again and that's basically what 361 00:23:11,396 --> 00:23:15,156 Speaker 7: got me back on track. I've realized that what am 362 00:23:15,156 --> 00:23:17,756 Speaker 7: I gaining by being mad at God? It I mean, 363 00:23:17,916 --> 00:23:19,476 Speaker 7: it wasn't God that pulled the trigger. 364 00:23:20,596 --> 00:23:23,196 Speaker 1: Tyrone says, it's not like he found all the answers. 365 00:23:23,636 --> 00:23:25,996 Speaker 1: He still struggled with the how and why of his 366 00:23:25,996 --> 00:23:31,316 Speaker 1: brother's death. Both brothers, Tyrone and Michael, did everything they 367 00:23:31,356 --> 00:23:32,956 Speaker 1: could to be there for their mom. 368 00:23:33,916 --> 00:23:35,756 Speaker 4: We all just made sure that she. 369 00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:39,956 Speaker 7: Didn't feel like she was alone, you know, so we 370 00:23:40,076 --> 00:23:42,676 Speaker 7: never let her be, and I think in time she 371 00:23:43,476 --> 00:23:45,396 Speaker 7: I can't say she completely. 372 00:23:44,956 --> 00:23:49,676 Speaker 4: Got over it, but she kind of being sided. She 373 00:23:49,716 --> 00:23:51,116 Speaker 4: was a Christian, she kind of. 374 00:23:53,876 --> 00:23:57,556 Speaker 7: Accepted it and for what it was, and she just 375 00:23:57,556 --> 00:23:59,156 Speaker 7: gravitated towards us. 376 00:23:59,876 --> 00:24:03,836 Speaker 1: She kind of accepted it. Tyrone said, I was reminded 377 00:24:03,876 --> 00:24:07,116 Speaker 1: of what Michelle had said from the beginning about her grandmother, 378 00:24:07,716 --> 00:24:10,636 Speaker 1: how sometimes it seemed she put up a front to 379 00:24:10,716 --> 00:24:13,996 Speaker 1: the whole world like she'd moved on, because that's what 380 00:24:14,036 --> 00:24:17,916 Speaker 1: people wanted her to do. But within the immediate family, 381 00:24:18,676 --> 00:24:22,196 Speaker 1: they all kind of knew that Dorothy still agonized over 382 00:24:22,236 --> 00:24:25,916 Speaker 1: her son's death, in part because she blamed herself for 383 00:24:25,996 --> 00:24:29,556 Speaker 1: not doing more to keep her on safe. Here's Michael, 384 00:24:29,836 --> 00:24:30,876 Speaker 1: the middle brother again. 385 00:24:31,956 --> 00:24:36,276 Speaker 6: I remember she was always saying that I wish I 386 00:24:36,316 --> 00:24:40,036 Speaker 6: could have really talked to him, or try to spend 387 00:24:40,036 --> 00:24:42,436 Speaker 6: more time with him, or try to reach him. She 388 00:24:42,596 --> 00:24:45,556 Speaker 6: kind of felt that she failed as a mother. 389 00:24:45,716 --> 00:24:50,676 Speaker 1: As far as Tyrone, the youngest, remembers this too, how 390 00:24:50,716 --> 00:24:52,436 Speaker 1: their mom kept blaming herself. 391 00:24:52,876 --> 00:24:55,756 Speaker 4: She wished she could have did things a little different. 392 00:24:56,836 --> 00:24:57,476 Speaker 4: But you can't. 393 00:24:57,996 --> 00:25:00,276 Speaker 7: You can't. And I told it all. I said, you can't. 394 00:25:00,956 --> 00:25:04,036 Speaker 7: You can't say that because you did the best you 395 00:25:04,076 --> 00:25:06,156 Speaker 7: could what you have. I got told her to say, 396 00:25:06,156 --> 00:25:08,316 Speaker 7: you didn't slack on him, you did the best you 397 00:25:08,356 --> 00:25:15,316 Speaker 7: could understand circumstances. And then you raised three boys three men. 398 00:25:15,476 --> 00:25:19,436 Speaker 7: You've made three boys into men. That's not easy. So 399 00:25:19,596 --> 00:25:23,436 Speaker 7: I'd say you the best, mom. 400 00:25:23,476 --> 00:25:27,556 Speaker 1: Even so, the question remained who was responsible for her 401 00:25:27,596 --> 00:25:31,876 Speaker 1: son's death. In truth, they all still wondered about Iran 402 00:25:32,196 --> 00:25:35,796 Speaker 1: and what had happened. Late at night, Tyrone found himself 403 00:25:35,796 --> 00:25:39,356 Speaker 1: at home on the couch watching true crime TV shows. 404 00:25:40,156 --> 00:25:41,476 Speaker 4: I used to watch. 405 00:25:43,036 --> 00:25:47,476 Speaker 7: The unsolved mischievey shows and I often thought about calling 406 00:25:48,276 --> 00:25:51,356 Speaker 7: because I was like, this is not right. How can 407 00:25:51,396 --> 00:25:54,076 Speaker 7: a person get killed and no one knows anything. 408 00:25:56,356 --> 00:25:59,276 Speaker 1: It wasn't until one day in two thousand and six, 409 00:26:00,076 --> 00:26:04,396 Speaker 1: nearly two decades after Iran's death, that the family thought 410 00:26:04,756 --> 00:26:06,476 Speaker 1: they might finally learn the truth. 411 00:26:08,156 --> 00:26:10,436 Speaker 4: A police officer came to my mother's house. 412 00:26:10,796 --> 00:26:14,596 Speaker 7: He said that we have a new lead about what 413 00:26:14,676 --> 00:26:18,476 Speaker 7: happened with your son in nineteen eighty nine. And you know, 414 00:26:18,516 --> 00:26:21,476 Speaker 7: she don't open the door for anybody, so she automatically 415 00:26:21,676 --> 00:26:22,236 Speaker 7: just told them. 416 00:26:22,316 --> 00:26:24,876 Speaker 4: She said, look, give me your card. My son's going 417 00:26:24,956 --> 00:26:25,396 Speaker 4: to call you. 418 00:26:25,796 --> 00:26:29,156 Speaker 7: So she's talking about me because she said she wasn't 419 00:26:29,196 --> 00:26:30,076 Speaker 7: able to deal with it. 420 00:26:31,236 --> 00:26:34,236 Speaker 1: Tyrone told his mother not to worry about it. He 421 00:26:34,276 --> 00:26:37,956 Speaker 1: would call the detectives. So I'm kind of nervous, and 422 00:26:37,956 --> 00:26:39,156 Speaker 1: then I just called. 423 00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:41,996 Speaker 7: The detective said we were still investigating, but then we 424 00:26:42,036 --> 00:26:43,556 Speaker 7: found out who killed your brother. 425 00:26:46,036 --> 00:26:49,116 Speaker 1: And at first that's really all the police tell the 426 00:26:49,156 --> 00:26:53,756 Speaker 1: Wood family, but it was enough to kindle some hope, 427 00:26:53,996 --> 00:26:57,476 Speaker 1: to make them believe that maybe, after all these years 428 00:26:57,476 --> 00:27:01,756 Speaker 1: of guessing and speculation, that they might finally learn what 429 00:27:01,836 --> 00:27:02,636 Speaker 1: happened to Iran. 430 00:27:03,596 --> 00:27:07,676 Speaker 7: We didn't like the speculation the family, and I thought 431 00:27:07,716 --> 00:27:10,676 Speaker 7: that this would be good good if we found at 432 00:27:10,756 --> 00:27:13,276 Speaker 7: least what happened to them. Can't do nothing about it, 433 00:27:13,276 --> 00:27:15,956 Speaker 7: can't bring them back, but if we'll find out the truth, 434 00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:19,876 Speaker 7: and the truth will probably help us help everybody in 435 00:27:19,916 --> 00:27:20,396 Speaker 7: the family. 436 00:27:22,596 --> 00:27:26,036 Speaker 1: That was the hope that the truth would help them, 437 00:27:26,516 --> 00:27:30,996 Speaker 1: heal them, bring them some closure. But it would be many, 438 00:27:31,116 --> 00:27:34,156 Speaker 1: many months before they would learn the full extent of 439 00:27:34,196 --> 00:27:38,436 Speaker 1: what the authorities at pieced together. And during this time, 440 00:27:38,836 --> 00:27:43,276 Speaker 1: Scott Duffy and Terry Mortimer, along with the PHILLYPD, they 441 00:27:43,276 --> 00:27:47,236 Speaker 1: were hard at work scrambling to gather evidence with the 442 00:27:47,276 --> 00:27:50,516 Speaker 1: hope that they might build a strong enough case to 443 00:27:50,596 --> 00:28:06,876 Speaker 1: make an arrest and go to trial next time. On 444 00:28:06,956 --> 00:28:10,316 Speaker 1: deep cover, it was definitely a different type of case. 445 00:28:10,836 --> 00:28:12,476 Speaker 4: You know, a skinhead coming. 446 00:28:12,236 --> 00:28:16,636 Speaker 5: To Philadelphi to kill somebody, a cowardly act. 447 00:28:17,476 --> 00:28:19,956 Speaker 3: We'd say it to Craig. You were there, we weren't. 448 00:28:20,996 --> 00:28:27,036 Speaker 3: Perhaps you blocked it out. Let's just drive and unlock 449 00:28:27,076 --> 00:28:27,556 Speaker 3: your mind. 450 00:28:28,716 --> 00:28:31,676 Speaker 2: So we're like, police, please get down, get down, And 451 00:28:31,716 --> 00:28:34,436 Speaker 2: I'm yelling. Others are yelling tough for our lungs. And 452 00:28:34,516 --> 00:28:36,836 Speaker 2: he just stands there like a deer in the headlights, 453 00:28:37,356 --> 00:28:40,156 Speaker 2: just staring at it, staring at me, staring at them. 454 00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:42,116 Speaker 2: And I could see in his mind, I can see 455 00:28:42,116 --> 00:28:43,636 Speaker 2: in his face he's deciding what to do. 456 00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:55,036 Speaker 1: Deep Cover is produced by Amy Gaines McQuaid and Jacob Smith. 457 00:28:55,756 --> 00:29:00,396 Speaker 1: It's edited by Karen Shakergee mastering by Jake Gorski. Our 458 00:29:00,436 --> 00:29:03,916 Speaker 1: show art was designed by Sean Carney. Original scoring in 459 00:29:03,956 --> 00:29:07,516 Speaker 1: our theme was composed by Luis Gara, fact checking by 460 00:29:07,636 --> 00:29:13,276 Speaker 1: Arthur Gomberts. Our story consultant was James Foreman Junior. Special 461 00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:17,556 Speaker 1: thanks to Jerry Williams, Sarah Nis, Greta Cone and Jake Flanagan. 462 00:29:18,356 --> 00:29:19,196 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Calpert. 463 00:29:21,636 --> 00:29:21,676 Speaker 6: H