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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot Com. Hey there, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly. Molly got a

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Speaker 1: little quiz for you. See see how much you've been

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Speaker 1: following the news? Can you tell me the first major

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Speaker 1: piece of legislation that Barack Obama signed? And I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a hint. It is not the Stimulus package. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I bet a lot of people think that it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is not Stimulus. Well, I actually know because I

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Speaker 1: know what we're going to talk about today. Um. It

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Speaker 1: was actually the Lily Leadbetter Fair Pay Act. Right on

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Speaker 1: January two thousand nine, President Obama made good on one

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Speaker 1: of his campaign promises to decrease the gender wage gap

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Speaker 1: Pay Act. So maybe we should talk about who Lily

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Speaker 1: she'll definitely be a female name that will go down

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Speaker 1: in history. Here's what happened. Philly led Better. She is

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Speaker 1: And she realized that all these years good Year had

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Speaker 1: And if we're talking about fifteen other area managers, that

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Speaker 1: There's it just seems really hard illogical that you could

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Speaker 1: So the Supreme Court or had to toss out the case.

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Speaker 1: So you better take care of me when I'm old, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But Molly, on the upside, there are two things that

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Speaker 1: from CBS Early Show financial advisor Ray Martin. A man man,

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Speaker 1: all right, Molly, but a man have to say about this.

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Speaker 1: These are his stance for how women can address the

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Speaker 1: So so if your pity, if your priority is money,

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Speaker 1: then you know, start taking math and science classes. Um My,

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Speaker 1: next tip from Ray Martin was too if you do

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Speaker 1: how about this. We've talked about this before. When you

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Speaker 1: as men. That's a very good point, Molly, thank you,

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