1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: Happy Saturday, everybody. We are coming up on an anniversary 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: for the US Camel Corps. On March third, Congress approved 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: the Appropriation bill that set aside money for the purchase 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: of those camels, So this seemed like a good time 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: to re release our episode on the Camel Corps. Also, 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: this is a story about working animals in the eighteen fifties, 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: so the animal cruelty standards definitely do not match up 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: to what you might expect today, So just know that 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: going in. Welcome to Stuff you missed in history class 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: from stuff works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry, I'm Tracy Vie Wilson. Uh and this 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: topic is one we've actually been asked about a couple 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: of times. It's another one that's also been on my 14 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: list for a long time. I'm kind of trying to 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: go back to the ones that I wrote down when 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: we first moved on to the podcast as host, that 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: I was really excited about and then they get lost 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: in the shuffle. You know what happened to mine? What 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: we moved offices and my my white bark got a 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: race the white board with my stuff on. I got 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: a raise. Yeah, so yeah, I'm going back to some 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: of those because I always intended to do them. And 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: this one is a little bit of a ghost story. 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: It's got a little bit of US military history, and 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: it also features animals, so it's kind of a wacky 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: mixed bag in terms of topics. And I decided to 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: kind of back off of doing much of an intro 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: on it because I kind of love the oddness of 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: the story and I want listeners to sort of hear 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: how it plays out, like there's an explanation of what 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: initially seems supernatural to some people. Um, so we're just 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: gonna kind of set the scene and then kind of 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: explain what was really going on and how that came 34 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: to be. So it starts in three uh, and at 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: this point a mysterious beast was spotted in Arizona. This 36 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: is the first time that this particular one is spot it. Uh. 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: And most of this story at the beginning, I should say, 38 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: is all reported by the Mohave County Miner, which was 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: a small newspaper, UH, And I didn't have access to 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: those particular ones. I have it written as relayed by 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: another researcher, So just heads up on that. So in three, 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: there were these two women who were home with their 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: children while the men of the family were away tending 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: their sheep flock, and they had had some issues with 45 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Native Americans and sheep issues uh that are not really 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: germane to the story, but so uh. While the men 47 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: were away and these two women were at home alone 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: with the children, they had an encounter which would unfortunately 49 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: prove fatal for one of them. So, according to the legend, 50 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: shortly after one of the women left the house on 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: Eagle Creek to go get some water, the dogs started barking, 52 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: and that prompted the other woman to go to the 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: window and see what was going on. And what she 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: saw she described as an enormous red beast ridden by 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: the devil. Uh. She heard screams, but because she was 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: too terrified to leave the house, she just kind of 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: barricaded the door. She is said to have kind of 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: frantically said prayers the rest of the time until the 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: men returned. So when the men came home and heard 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: her story, they immediately mounted a search party for the 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: other woman who had gone out to get water, but 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: they didn't get far because they found her nearby trampled 63 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: to death and because this was sort of a mysterious death. 64 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: There was some suspicion initially by the um the authorities 65 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: that examined the body, that maybe she had been murdered 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: by someone in the family, even though the condition of 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: the body was obviously very unique and that it had 68 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: been trampled. There was an inquest, but in the end 69 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: the verdict and the investigation was reported in the local paper, 70 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: the Majabbi County Minor that I mentioned as quote death 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: in some manner unknown. So, just a few days after that, 72 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: and a few miles northeast of the first sighting, two 73 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: prospectors woke up in the night when their tent was crushed. 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: They returned to their mining camp in or, Arizona with 75 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: tales of this impossibly tall horse. When a party made 76 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: its way back to the trampled camp, they found red 77 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: hairs and large hoofprints in the area. And naturally, this 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: on top of the uh, the woman having been killed 79 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: in this sort of mysterious way, uh really sort of 80 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 1: started this, you know, cultural phenomenon that is very natural 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: of tall tales and gossip about what started to be 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: called the red ghost. And some of the people talking 83 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: about it claimed that they had seen and even pursued 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: the Red Ghost. One said he saw it vanish into 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: thin air before his eyes, so they really were laying 86 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: on the supernatural abilities. At this point. About a month 87 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: after the death of the woman at Eagle Creek, a 88 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: rancher named Cyrus Hamblin was out getting stray cattle, kind 89 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: of rounding them up, when he spotted the beast near 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: the Salt River, And this was eighty miles northeast of 91 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: the earlier sightings, and unlike previous encounters, he knew what 92 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: it was. It was a camel, Yeah, he uh. It 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: was not entirely unheard of for camels to be in 94 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: this area. Unusual, but not unheard of. Uh. And Hamblin 95 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: could see that there was also some sort of load 96 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: that was strapped to the animals back, but he couldn't 97 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: get close enough to catch the camel or identify what 98 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: that was on his back, but he said that he 99 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: believed that it looked like a deceased man, and eventually 100 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: the camel escaped him. Hamblin's word on the matter solidified 101 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: this whole story of the Red Ghost, which people also 102 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: called the Fantasia Colorado. That was what the Spanish speaking, 103 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: settlers of the area primarily called it the rancher. Was 104 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: was well respected, and his tail was not really embellished. 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: He didn't put a lot of, you know, crazy spin 106 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: on it. He didn't throw in any supernatural or fantastical elements, 107 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: except for the part that there was probably a dead 108 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: man on the creature's back, which some people were kind 109 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: of skeptical about. Yeah, but he was very matter of 110 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: fact about it, like, I think there was a dead 111 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: guy on the back of that camel, which is a 112 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: phrase you never think you're gonna say, but there you go. 113 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: Uh So, several weeks after Hamlin's incident, this time about 114 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: sixty miles to the west of where Hamblin had had 115 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: his encounter, another group of prospectors spotted what was believed 116 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: to be the same animal, this at this point having 117 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: been still believed by some people to be supernatural and 118 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: others to be like, no, no, it's camel. Uh They 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: thought that the best course of action was just to 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: start firing wildly at it, and they didn't actually hit 121 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: it however, or if they did, they merely grazed it. 122 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: But as it ran for its life, the burden that 123 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: was on its back because there was something on its 124 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: back dislodged, and the prospectors, once the camel had gone, 125 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: advanced on this fallen cargo, and what they actually discover 126 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: was in fact a human skull with some hair and 127 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: a very few shreds of decomposed skin still clinging to it. 128 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: And so in this moment, Cyrus Hamblin's story was completely 129 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: corroborated by this rather grizzly discovery. So it once again 130 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: supported No, no, he is really a stand up guy 131 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't talk crazy. There is a dead guy on 132 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: that camel's back. Yeah. In so, ten years after the 133 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: first sightings of the Red Ghost, a man by the 134 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: name of Missoo Hastings found a red camel eating in 135 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: his garden in or Arizona, and this time he shot 136 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: it dead. The camel had straps of leather still tied 137 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: to it, and in some places the straps had cut 138 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: into its flesh. This residual strap work led people to 139 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: conclude that this was the same camel that had been 140 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: running around the area with a corpse strap to it 141 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: for the last ten years. Yeah, the corpse wasn't actually 142 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: there the whole time, but it was a very intricate 143 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: like a netting almost of these straps, so he had 144 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: been wearing those strap ups and presumably pieces of this 145 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: deceased person for quite some time. But who the dead 146 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: man was remains something of a mystery. I read your 147 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: notes is where the dead man was remains something of 148 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: a mystery, and I'm like scattered around the that part 149 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: we know, or we'd presume. Uh. And in the years 150 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: between the time that the skull had been picked up 151 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: and when Missoo Hastings had killed the Red ghosts uh 152 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: And there had been other sightings during that time. But 153 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: there had also been a lot of speculation that perhaps 154 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: the corpse had been a man who had strapped himself 155 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: onto the camel when he was thirsty and near death, 156 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: hoping that the animal was going to eventually lead him 157 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: to water. It didn't work. Apparently, well they've realized that 158 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: wasn't really what happened. Well, once the felled camel and 159 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: its straps had been examined, though, it was apparent that 160 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: they could not have been tied by a man, the 161 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: man who was riding, and this conclusion led the Mohabi 162 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: County Minor to say this, the only question is whether 163 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: the man was tied on for revenge or merely as 164 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: an ugly piece of humor by someone who had a 165 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: camel and a corpse for which he had no use. Yeah, 166 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: so there's it's never really been uh solved one way 167 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: the other in addition to who it was, but whether 168 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: he had been alive or dead when he had been 169 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: strapped to the camel. So the mystery of the red 170 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: ghost was assolved at that point as it was ever 171 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: going to be. Uh. However, that leads us to the 172 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: next part of the episode, which is why a camel 173 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: was wandering around the American Southwest in the first place. 174 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: And before we get to that, we're gonna have a 175 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. So the introduction of camels into 176 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: the US was actually a military function, and it actually 177 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: took two decades from the time the first studies were 178 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: conducted about this idea to the actual introduction of camels 179 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: into the American Southwest. It i'll started in eighteen thirty 180 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: six when E. F. Miller Esquire conducted a camel study 181 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: and wrote a letter detailing his findings to the U 182 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: S Quartermaster Captain George H. Croftsman of Georgia, and UH 183 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: in the spring of eighteen forty three, so still some 184 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: years later U S Quartermaster General Thomas S. Jessup received 185 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: a letter from Crossman extolling the potential virtues of camels 186 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: as pack animals for use in military service. Crossman characterized 187 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: camels as imposing and being potentially intimidating to the horses 188 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: favored by Native Americans, so they felt that they would 189 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: have the upper hand in any dealings with natives. And 190 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: camels had also, you know, after all, been part of 191 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: various militaries throughout world history, and Crossman cited Miller's research 192 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: as a source of validation for all his assertions about 193 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: how great camels could be for the service. This is 194 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: because the discworld books didn't exist yet. We're not we 195 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: need to find a time machine and then handed off 196 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: to that they don't pull any punches about how terrible 197 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: camels can be to work with. Crossman also discussed using 198 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: camels in the army with the Quartermaster Henry Wayne, who 199 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: was very interested in the idea. And then in eighty eight, 200 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 1: so this is still all percolating along via years and 201 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: years and years, Henry Wayne went to the War Department 202 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: with this idea, and though that had already taken quite 203 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: some time. It was actually another six years before the 204 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: concept of introducing camels into military service in the US 205 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: took another significant step. That was in eighteen fifty four 206 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: when Jefferson Davis, the Secretary of War, made a report 207 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: to the Senate for posing the introduction of camels into 208 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: army use. And in addition to the previous missives that 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: promoted the use of camels, Davis had also been influenced 210 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: by naval officer Edward Fitzgerald Beale. Bale had read the 211 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: writing of ever east our Hook, a French missionary who 212 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: penned a travel diary called Recollections of a Journey through Tartari, 213 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Tivet and China during the years eighteen and eighteen forty six. 214 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: He was really taken with the accounts of camels in 215 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: this work, and he shared his very enthusiastic point of 216 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: view on the topic with anyone who would listen, including 217 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: Jefferson Davis. And the timing of this at this point 218 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: was good because of the increasing burden that the US 219 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: was facing in the Southwest at the time. So Davis's 220 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: idea really was met with some enthusiasm, and this was 221 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: because there was a growing need both for transportation of 222 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: troops as well as for moving heavy loads of supplies. 223 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: So this is you know, mid eighteen hundreds, when we 224 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: are slowly pushing out to the west and things are 225 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: being built, uh, and the ability of camels to survive 226 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: in conditions similar to those in the desert areas of 227 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: the Southwest started to make them look like a pretty 228 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: appealing solution to the problems. So in early eighteen fifty five, 229 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: Davis was granted a budget of any thousand dollars to 230 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: start working on a camel corps. He immediately sent Henry 231 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Wayne to the eastern Mediterranean to find suitable camels to buy, 232 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: and Wayne was joined in this mission by Navy Lieutenant 233 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: David Dixon Porter, who was actually a relative of Beal. 234 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: And the two men did not make a direct route 235 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: through the Mediterranean to like camel country. They actually stopped 236 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: at many places along the way. UH. They stopped throughout Europe. 237 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: They interviewed camel experts and got their opinions. They talked 238 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: to zoologists, they visited with royals who owned camels as 239 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: part of their menageries. And they also made several stops 240 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: around the Mediterranean, like they visited Tunis. They visited Malta 241 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: and in some of these places they would purchase stock 242 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: if they found it suitable. Uh. They also, while they 243 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: were doing all this stuff, dropped off Wayne's son at 244 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: a French boarding school where the boys stayed for several years. 245 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: He did not finish the camel travel. While you're in France, 246 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: why don't you go to school for a while. On 247 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: February fifty six, Wayne and Porter started their journey back 248 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: to the US aboard the U. S. S. Supply and 249 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: they were traveling with thirty three camels. This was a 250 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: mix of Arabian Bactory and Tunis and Tulu camels, along 251 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: with five handlers. This group landed at Indian on the 252 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: Texas on May four, and that's where the camels were 253 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: offloaded from the U. S. S. Supply and then they 254 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: began marching uh to their destination which was Camp very 255 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: day and they got to Camp very day on August 256 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: that same year. In eighteen fifty seven, Porter made the 257 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: journey to the Eastern Mediterranean again, bringing back forty one 258 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: more camels. Also in eighteen fifty seven, Beal took one 259 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: of the camel handlers who was named Hadji Ali, who 260 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: you will also see him listed in historical references high Jolly, 261 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: because apparently Americans that could not quite manage his name 262 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: nicknamed him that to see my my expression of being 263 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: rather nonplus. Yeah, he didn't apparently seem terribly concerned with it. Um. 264 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: But they all went on a survey expedition which had 265 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: been ordered by President James Buchanan, and this team was 266 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: tasked with building a wagon road from Fort Defiance, New Mexico, 267 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: to the Colorado River. And they took twenty five camels 268 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: with them on this assignment so that they could test 269 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: out the beasts, and it turned out that the camels 270 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: did a really good job. Side note, this wagon trail 271 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: also marked the travel path that would eventually become the 272 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: legendary Root sixty Yeah, first found by camels. Yeah. My 273 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: my friends Nat and Carry drove the entire length of 274 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: that as a summer vacation last summer. I have friends 275 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: that moved out to Los Angeles last year and they 276 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: did a similar thing on the way. I think it's 277 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: an awesome fun thing you have road trip time, having 278 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: only witnessed other people doing it. Yeah, I'm kind of like, 279 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: let's get to the destination already, not be in the 280 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: car all day, but that's me. Uh. It turned out 281 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: that these camels could easily carry three hundred pounds and 282 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: they could travel for four miles an hour, which doesn't 283 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: sound terribly fast, but compared to other options, they did 284 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: quite well, especially considering their heavy cargo with very few stops, 285 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: so they could just kind of go all day long. Uh. 286 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: And they didn't really need to have provisions for their 287 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: meals carried along because they were able to grade on 288 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: the cedar and the creasote bush that were plentiful along 289 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: the route and which other pack animals could not eat. Uh. 290 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: And the camels were also able to outlast other pack 291 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: animals on difficult journeys, so in some cases when they 292 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: had brought other animals along, they would have to abandon 293 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: them because they could not hack the conditions, whereas the 294 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: camels could just keep going. That's terrible, it is. This 295 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: one's a little rough for the animal lover and me. 296 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Henry Wayne in particular, really championed the camel's usefulness. According 297 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: to one story, after hearing remarks about the camels not 298 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: being impressive as pack animals, he had one of his 299 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: camels loaded with four hay bales, which totaled more than 300 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: a thousand pounds to just show off how strong it was. Yeah, 301 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: again the animal lover and me struggles with a little 302 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: bit of this story. Um like, that's kind abusive, but 303 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: uh so, initially, you know, at this point, the Camel 304 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: Corps looked like it was going to be a success 305 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: because they were doing very well in the desert conditions. 306 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: They could carry loads, they could outlast mules and horses 307 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: no problem. But of course that is not the whole story. 308 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: If you've ever ever seen a book with a camel 309 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: in it, or maybe just like seeing a picture of 310 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: a camel, you've ever seen a camel, you right, even 311 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: if it's been like a far away glimpse of a camel, 312 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: you can probably grasp that they have tempers. Yeah, I 313 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: mean that's what they're known for. When I think most people, 314 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: if they just do a quick like association and someone 315 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: says camel, you think, oh my goodness, they're gonna spit 316 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: and trample me. Yep, that has proved to be a problem. 317 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: They could be very difficult, and they sometimes completely disregarded 318 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: their handlers. They would growl at soldiers as they approached 319 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: with loads that they were going to like peck on them, 320 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: onto them. Oh and also camel smell pretty bad. Yeah. Uh, 321 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they probably weren't getting washed very regularly. 322 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining what effort it would take to wash 323 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: a camel at this point in history. Yeah, a lot. 324 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: It would take a lot of effort. Couldn't just pull 325 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: out a hose, no, I mean you, oh, natural probably buckets, 326 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: maybe storms, hope. Uh. And that smell is actually part 327 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: of the reason. Uh, it's attributed to part of the 328 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: reason why they spooked the horses. And as you recall, 329 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: this had been a selling point for the camel corps 330 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: when it came to the horses the Native Americans used. 331 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: But this was a huge problem when there were horses 332 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: that were being used by the same US troops that 333 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: were also employing the camels, and they had to deal 334 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: with this interspecies problem. So the horses were not delighted 335 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: by the camel's presence. They would get very scared. And 336 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: keep in mind, these are large animals, so when one 337 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: is angry and one is spooked, you can imagine how 338 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: difficult it is to sort of corral that and then 339 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: multiply that by the many that we're traveling together. That 340 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: could be deadly, deadly combination. UH. And it's probably understandable 341 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: that many of the soldiers openly complained about the situation. UH. 342 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: And even General David Twiggs, who commanded Texas and thus 343 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: was a very powerful man in the military, he made 344 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: it pretty clear that he would just rather have mules 345 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: and could we please not deal with these camels. So 346 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: as the Civil War mounted, Confederate troops took Camp fair 347 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: Day in February of eighteen sixty one. And so while 348 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: the camels had proven their usefulness, they still were not 349 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: a standard part of military operations. This was still considered 350 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: an experimental concept and they hadn't really been planned for 351 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: as part of the Confederate War effort. So the animals 352 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: then were, you know, there at Camp fair Day, and 353 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: they were used and sometimes abused, again a little difficult 354 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: for the animal lover UH, in a variety of sometimes 355 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: kind of odd ways. Some were used for just transporting 356 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: goods and freight, just like they had been prior to 357 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty one. Some were used for entertainment rides, and 358 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: some were sent around to other bases. One was allegedly 359 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: pushed off a cliff by Confederate soldiers because they found 360 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: it bothersome and they didn't want to take care of it, 361 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: and some were just neglected or set loose. Yeah, I mean, 362 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: my heartbreaks at the thought of an animal being there 363 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: en off a cliff, or even just abandoned or neglected. 364 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: At the same time, just from the point of view 365 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: of like someone in that situation, I can imagine that 366 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: there is an element of I don't know what to 367 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: do with these things, and there is a herd of 368 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: them at this camp, uh, and they just didn't know 369 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: how to deal with them. We should also mention that 370 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: while being set loose in some cases may have seemed 371 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: like a kindness, we should note that these animals had 372 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: been bred in domestication. I mean, they were bred as stock. 373 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: They weren't like wild camels that have been contentamed, so 374 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: they had never been wild, and fending for themselves in 375 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: the brush, even though they were physiologically, you know, pretty 376 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: well suited to the environment, was likely a very stressful situation. 377 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: And additionally, when prospectors or cowhands would encounter these animals 378 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: that had been set free just wandering, they kind of 379 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: viewed them as target practice. So they were really treated 380 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: very poorly and inhumanly. Union troops took Camp Vere back 381 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty five, but reconstruction resulted in a diversion 382 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: of funds away from the camel corps. And as the 383 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: railroad system was built farther and farther west, you know, 384 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: the camels had been helping to run supplies for a 385 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: lot of the construction, the need for the camels just evaporated, 386 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: and in eighteen sixty six most of the remaining camels 387 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: when Camp Verty had been taken back were sold at 388 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: auction in New Orleans, Louisiana, and also in Benicia, California. 389 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: And these were sold at significant loss. Uh. Some were 390 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: purchased by circuses, carnivals or zoos. Some were likely sold 391 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: to be used meat. Some were purchased by like just 392 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: private people who were like, I have money, I'll buy 393 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: a camel, and then they often turned around and resold 394 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: them for a much higher rate. They were, in essence 395 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: camel flippers, thinking camel flippers. Yeah, so today there are 396 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: camel core reenactors who keep a small number of camels 397 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: for education purposes. There's a comedy film made about the 398 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: whole thing in the seventies, and there's even a children's 399 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: book about it. There's also a memorial to the camel 400 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: corps at the final resting site of the camel handler 401 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: Hoggil e in quartz Aite, Arizona, and it's kind of 402 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: a pyramid shaped a little memorial that stands there and 403 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: references both Hagil's work as well as just the camel 404 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: coret itself, because he stayed in the US even after 405 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: his need his work as a camel handler was done. 406 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: While the Red Ghost was felled in camel sightings continued 407 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: in Arizona, California, and Mexico well into the twentieth century. 408 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: Even in the nineteen these there were people who claimed 409 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: that there were still camels in Sonora and Baja California. Yeah, 410 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: completely random species introduced and were allegedly, you know, kind 411 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: of surviving in the desert for a long time, some 412 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: being very elderly, I'm sure, and others possibly having made 413 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: it and had their own little camel families. I am 414 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: going to say that I am relieved that it was 415 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: not more like the introduction of Kadzoo. I mean, can 416 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: you imagine if camels overran the Southwest the way rabbits 417 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: overran Australia. I thought about that as I was doing 418 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: this is like, I guess camels didn't do so well 419 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: in the whole propagating and and sort of you know, 420 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: a huge blow up of population, which is good. I 421 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: still feel very bad for the camels because I can't 422 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: get past that. Uh. And it's interesting you'll hear sometimes 423 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: or read when you're looking at research about this. Uh. 424 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: There are historians who like to theorize what would have 425 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: happened if we hadn't completely abandoned the camel core experiment, 426 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: because it did seem like it had some uh fairly 427 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, positive aspects to it, even though the camels 428 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: tended to be grumpy and problematic. You know. Some like 429 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: to wonder what had happened if the Union Army had 430 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: incorporated them into regular service after they had taken back 431 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: camp ver day. And we'll never know, of course, but 432 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: we do know that they could survive on their own 433 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: in the desert for decades. Uh. So you know, on 434 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: the off chance you're in the Southwest and see a 435 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: random camel probably related to those, there haven't been sightings 436 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: in decades, so I would be shocked. But unless some ridiculous, 437 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: wealthy person purchased this one as a pet and then 438 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: sets it free because they're fool It's probably not going 439 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: to happen. But that is the camel core, and that's 440 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: one of those things that um because it involves so 441 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: many moving parts and names that are also connected to 442 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: other aspects of the Civil War. You know, it can 443 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: quickly blossom out into a very huge and long thing, 444 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: and we may eventually for other parts of this story 445 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: that kind of interlocked. But that's the scoop on why 446 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: there was a camel running around looking like a devil, uh, 447 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: killing people with a corpse. Yeah, and it kind of 448 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: explains when you think about that why that camel seemed 449 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: to be pretty aggressive towards humans. It had clearly been 450 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: treated badly. Someone had strapped a person to it and 451 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: send it off. It was carrying something around, uh that 452 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: was tied tightly enough to be cutting into its flesh, 453 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: so it probably was very grumpy, did not associate humans 454 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: with good things. Thank you so much for joining us 455 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: for this Saturday Classic. Since this is out of the archive, 456 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: if you heard an email address or a Facebook U 457 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: r L or something similar during the course of the show, 458 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: that may be obsolete now so here's our current contact information. 459 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: We are at history Podcast at how stuff works dot com, 460 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: and then we're at missed in the History. 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