Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl drama, girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering father right drama queens up girl fashion.
Speaker 1: But you'll tell girls you can see with this girl
Speaker 1: drama Queens drama, Queen's Drawn mc Queen's drama John McQueen's
Speaker 1: drama Queen, I don't mean, I really love it. So fun,
Speaker 1: isn't it. We're back, baby, we did it. Oh we
Speaker 1: survived all these years. We have reunited and it feels
Speaker 1: good every it really does. You guys are more beautiful
Speaker 1: than you've ever been, and I'm so excited we're back
Speaker 1: in the same room together. This is amazing. It feels
Speaker 1: like a homecoming. It really really does. Like as long
Speaker 1: as we played high schoolers, we might as well have
Speaker 1: our own like letter jackets in high school reunion and
Speaker 1: we just o, my god, we deserve pink lady jackets. Yes,
Speaker 1: what eyes would be blue? Right? And the draw? How
Speaker 1: many times over the years have people come up to
Speaker 1: you two and said, like, when is there going to
Speaker 1: be a reunion? So much so many I've lost count Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's probably the number one question, and it's fans of
Speaker 1: the show. It's even like the sweetest reporters we've ever
Speaker 1: spoken to, people you wouldn't expect to be saying, please
Speaker 1: give us a reunion. Do that a lot. I really
Speaker 1: like it when, like people who are from countries, we
Speaker 1: had no idea the show aired in come up, we
Speaker 1: learned English watching your show. I know, that's nuts. It's
Speaker 1: been a comfort food for so many people. And it's
Speaker 1: because of those fans, because of all you guys listening,
Speaker 1: that we're even able to do this right now. We're
Speaker 1: so grateful and super super excited to be back together.
Speaker 1: It's true though, you know, for us, and we've all
Speaker 1: talked about this in private. You know, there were years
Speaker 1: where when we finished the thing we did for a decade,
Speaker 1: we were like, no, we're done with that. And I
Speaker 1: think at the passion that the fans have carried out
Speaker 1: has actually allowed us to fall back in love with
Speaker 1: the show. You guys have given us nostalgia. You have
Speaker 1: enabled us to maintain our friendships, and honestly, our friendships
Speaker 1: are deeper and more ferocious and delicious than they've ever
Speaker 1: been because, like we do get to travel to all
Speaker 1: these cool places together and meet, you know, the people
Speaker 1: who love our show. And you've reminded us that we
Speaker 1: love our show, and so now we're bringing you a
Speaker 1: new show. Did you guys ever imagine when we were
Speaker 1: like lockdown in Wilmington, North Carolina in the early two
Speaker 1: thousand's that there would be a global fan base? Never? Never?
Speaker 1: I mean you always hope that, but you never actually,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just sit around dreaming that there's
Speaker 1: going to be some global like rush that we're going
Speaker 1: to become a major piece of pop culture and then
Speaker 1: suddenly it happens. And I mean, but you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're so what was two thousand and three? Was it
Speaker 1: when we started? Didn't even know how the internetworked back then?
Speaker 1: Still dial up? I mean, were you using like a
Speaker 1: I am, yeah, you at home phones back then, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call Joy on her landline. That's right, landlines. When
Speaker 1: it was rude to call people on their cell phones
Speaker 1: because you don't want to bother someone when they're out.
Speaker 1: I'll just call you when you're home. Now it's like
Speaker 1: the other way around. What do you guys remember the
Speaker 1: most about Wilmington's like let's talk about when we first
Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys remember when you first showed up,
Speaker 1: like landed in it that tiny little airport. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: and always a connecting flight because there's no direct fight
Speaker 1: into Wilmington's, so you'd fly to Charlotte and then you'd
Speaker 1: go get on the little plane. And I remember landing
Speaker 1: in Wilmington's and getting off the plane and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh there, Oh, there are six gates and there's rocking
Speaker 1: chairs out front. I was like, can I sit in
Speaker 1: one of those? I love it here. Have you guys
Speaker 1: ever been there before? Now? I was like a Virginia kid,
Speaker 1: so we would vacation down there growing up. And there
Speaker 1: was a there was a place was like Bubba's Car Lot,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was all antique picture cars that
Speaker 1: had been used in movies that had shot there, starting
Speaker 1: with fire Starter, you know. So it had been a
Speaker 1: film town since the eighties because Frank Capra built screen
Speaker 1: gems there. Yeah, and seventies or eighties, right, Blue Velvet
Speaker 1: shot there, so like David Lynch came in and did
Speaker 1: super creepy stuff and byre records shot there, which wasn't
Speaker 1: David the best? I mean there were so many cool
Speaker 1: things that had shot there before we got there, and
Speaker 1: so for me it was like, oh, I get to
Speaker 1: go live in a vacation town where Bubba's Carlott is
Speaker 1: you know, like cool, and Dawson's had just like reigned
Speaker 1: supreme in Wilmington's. Were you guys allowed to watch Dawson's
Speaker 1: because I wasn't. You weren't. It was a bad kid show.
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to watch like Beverly Hills, I know,
Speaker 1: but where Melrose placed God forbidden. Still to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I watched? I watched nine O two
Speaker 1: and oh to a point, and then there was an
Speaker 1: episode where uh Luke Perry and Jenny Garth had like
Speaker 1: an affair behind Shannon Doherty's back or something, and I
Speaker 1: remember seeing commercials about that. I didn't even see the episode.
Speaker 1: I was actually like, a way, this is so embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I was way at space camp and had awhile it's fine.
Speaker 1: But my parents watched the episode, and when I got home,
Speaker 1: they were like, we can't believe we've been letting you
Speaker 1: watch the show with your babysitter. She's a bad influence.
Speaker 1: And I got a new babysitter and I was banned
Speaker 1: from watching forever. So I think because that show was
Speaker 1: so bad is maybe why I was allowed to watch Dawson's.
Speaker 1: Because it was like small town kids figuring it out, dude.
Speaker 1: I remember having girlfriends over to watch like the pilot
Speaker 1: of Dawson's, and when Pacy had sex with the teacher,
Speaker 1: my mother came. Yeah, that too. It was like the
Speaker 1: first storyline. I came in on Dawson's way, though I
Speaker 1: didn't start watching until the season like three or four,
Speaker 1: or when they had sort of mellowed out. It wasn't
Speaker 1: so much of the trying to shock everybody, because Kevin
Speaker 1: Williamson was definitely in a shock zone at that point
Speaker 1: when he started. But maybe I must have done the same.
Speaker 1: I must have started watching it later. And I remember
Speaker 1: being in college and ahead of a premiere, a season premiere,
Speaker 1: going back and watching from the beginning with friends, and
Speaker 1: I think that might have been the first time I
Speaker 1: saw that my world on fire, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden everyone at school knew I wasn't on to watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, we were all actors at
Speaker 1: that point or Joy, you started really young. I told
Speaker 1: were you when you started works. Well, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I I started professionally when I was twelve, so um,
Speaker 1: but I was doing some kind of I was doing
Speaker 1: a lot of theater. We were all we were all
Speaker 1: drama queens in our own of our high schools and fuels.
Speaker 1: You know, we all did drama club and school plays
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So that was and you,
Speaker 1: for sure, we're right, I know you did a ton
Speaker 1: of musical theater. I was initiated into the high school
Speaker 1: theater program when I was in third grade. I was
Speaker 1: eight with a letter jacket because I played greteld on track.
Speaker 1: And then I founded up in fifth grade with a
Speaker 1: Marellis in the Sound of Music, And so I thought
Speaker 1: I was so cool an adult because I was like
Speaker 1: Ammarellis in the Sound of Music. She's like the little
Speaker 1: girl that plays the piano while Marion's singing good Night,
Speaker 1: my someone, and she's like the music man. What did
Speaker 1: I say, sound of music? Yes, I was crittle and
Speaker 1: sound of music and Marillis and the music man a
Speaker 1: lot of music happening in their home today, years old.
Speaker 1: Always I learned something about musicals from the two of you.
Speaker 1: Every time I worked together. I'm like I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know NERD club. I love it well. I didn't
Speaker 1: start doing theater until I had an arts requirement in
Speaker 1: the eighth grade. I tried to get out of it,
Speaker 1: and I tried to schedule my semester of theater for
Speaker 1: the same semester I was playing volleyball, and my school
Speaker 1: was like, you're an idiot. You can't do that. So
Speaker 1: I had to miss volleyball for the year, which in
Speaker 1: hindsight is a blessing because I never grew so on,
Speaker 1: not tall enough to be a volleyball player. I can
Speaker 1: see you'd be aggressive. You're competitive for sure, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can get in there, I can help. But I
Speaker 1: suddenly I was like, yeah, just the short kid, being
Speaker 1: like give me the long ones. But suddenly I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I've been on this like med school track.
Speaker 1: I thought the daughter like, you will be a doctor
Speaker 1: or a lawyer, or a lawyer or a doctor. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, wait, but plays or books come
Speaker 1: to life. But I missed the whole musical theater. There's
Speaker 1: still time, baby, there's still time. Will be a musical podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't wait. You will write as
Speaker 1: a musical and it will be fabulous. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'll start. Now. What show was on the
Speaker 1: air when we were teenagers that you were like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. Felicity. Yeah, Felicity. I
Speaker 1: got to be in a couple episodes of Felicity. Everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was her. Teacher was like, um, seemed like he
Speaker 1: was hitting on her, and it was there was some
Speaker 1: episode of teacher seemed like he was hitting on her
Speaker 1: and um, and then it turned out that he was
Speaker 1: actually having an affair with me. And you were also
Speaker 1: a student and I was also a student. But I
Speaker 1: also looked just like her, Like my hair was really
Speaker 1: big and curly, and so I think maybe that there
Speaker 1: was a tie in there where it was like he was.
Speaker 1: It was super weird. I don't know, but I can
Speaker 1: say everybody was really nice on that show, and Carrie
Speaker 1: I've always admired her as an actress too, but she
Speaker 1: was just so sweet and professional and like really warm,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean people, and we know, certainly
Speaker 1: being on a show where people came in and out
Speaker 1: all the time, it's really hard to keep track of
Speaker 1: all the guest stars and all the storylines and everything
Speaker 1: and um, but Carrie was like I always felt comfortable
Speaker 1: around her, and she felt really warm and welcome and
Speaker 1: come on in and their makeup trailer. There was never
Speaker 1: like snobby nous or anything, so um, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I had a great memory from being on that show.
Speaker 1: But what else was on the w B at the time.
Speaker 1: The w B was huge at the time, huge, It
Speaker 1: owned our total age bracket because it was Charmed was
Speaker 1: a big deal. It was Charmed Felicity Dawson's we grew
Speaker 1: up on Buffy, wasn't we Rock Mars was up n
Speaker 1: until happened in our merger. Well see, yep, that was
Speaker 1: people was nuts because they were our competitor and we
Speaker 1: had this like rivalry. Don't you remember the end of
Speaker 1: Ronica Mars and their credits they had like an icon
Speaker 1: of a tree burning and we took it so personally.
Speaker 1: And then we all merged and we were on the
Speaker 1: same network and it was like, oh hey, it felt
Speaker 1: like lest side story. It was just like cool, I
Speaker 1: guess we're friends now. Yeah. The w B. Like I'd
Speaker 1: interviewed a bunch of people from other shows on the
Speaker 1: w B when I was working at MTV, but I
Speaker 1: was always on the other side of it, like I
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't the talent. I was just the interviewer, And
Speaker 1: so it was all the small deal kids and then
Speaker 1: the one with Gregory Smith everyone that was a big
Speaker 1: one that Oh my god, they just they printing hits.
Speaker 1: Yeah they were, Yeah they were. And so if you
Speaker 1: were cast on a w V show, it was like,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of funny that every year we always
Speaker 1: felt like we're on the bubble. They may not pick
Speaker 1: you up. You know, we're not really sure if anybody's
Speaker 1: into let them know that, So explain to them what
Speaker 1: the bubble is. Yeah, okay, So, uh, the bubble is
Speaker 1: like you you could burst any moment, you could be
Speaker 1: you could be canceled at any moment. So better, you know,
Speaker 1: stay in line. Better make sure that we, you know,
Speaker 1: just keep our numbers up and Ginger Piece can do
Speaker 1: whatever we have to do to sell Cell Cell the
Speaker 1: show and make sure that we stay on the air. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's ironic because you know, clearly at that time
Speaker 1: w B wasn't picking up shows that we're not going
Speaker 1: to be big hits, let alone keeping them on them
Speaker 1: on the air for longer than longer than two seasons.
Speaker 1: I think is a fair space of time to say
Speaker 1: like by then they know and yet even into season five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 1: but we might get we might get canceled. Every season
Speaker 1: I was there, it was like, you're lucky to have
Speaker 1: a job, you know, And isn't it funny that now
Speaker 1: is adults, like all of us producing and directing, we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's a scare tactic to keep your employees terrified.
Speaker 1: And they never asked for anything. God and thanks guys.
Speaker 1: But as kids we were like, oh my god, we
Speaker 1: might lose our job. Up, this might be the year
Speaker 1: we all find out we're failures. You know what has happened.
Speaker 1: We've reached that point in adulthood where we're like, fine,
Speaker 1: I lose my job. It's fine, you know, like the
Speaker 1: apathy has said in But you know, that was the
Speaker 1: biggest break ever. And trying to prove ourselves was funny
Speaker 1: and also like a good way to have those connections
Speaker 1: that nig lifelong friends. It's like, remember when we all
Speaker 1: went through that together. It's like having matching tattoos on
Speaker 1: the inside. Yes, I almost got a tattoo at your wedding,
Speaker 1: so I did too, almost, Yeah, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I still got the be Listen. We had like ninety
Speaker 1: three people get tattooed at my wedding. We'll do that
Speaker 1: on a different episode of the show. We'll just like, yes, tattoos.
Speaker 1: So what were you guys doing, like right before you
Speaker 1: were cast on the show. What was like the six
Speaker 1: months leading up to finding out you were on the show? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I was. I had just moved from New York. I was.
Speaker 1: I had been on a soap opera for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and and then I just lived in New
Speaker 1: York City doing nothing for one year. I spent all
Speaker 1: my money I made on the soap, which you know,
Speaker 1: I was nineteen or twenty, and like making a stupid
Speaker 1: amount of money, which is just so unusual, and I
Speaker 1: just it was kind of great to just blow all
Speaker 1: of it on like amazing restaurants. And I saw a
Speaker 1: Broadway show every other night. And I remember you telling me,
Speaker 1: You're like, do you like champagne? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You were like, I'm good at champagne.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, I moved out when I
Speaker 1: was seventeen. I had my own apartment, you know, and
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, like I had. I had been
Speaker 1: kind of living on my own, taking care of myself
Speaker 1: for a long time. So when I got to l A,
Speaker 1: I went to l A because I was in New York.
Speaker 1: I spent all my money. I went to the at
Speaker 1: M one day and I had like two thousand dollars left,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was like, oh, well, I guess
Speaker 1: I gotta go to l A and trying to get
Speaker 1: some guest spots, so I just packed up my bags.
Speaker 1: Did you know where to go now? I mean I
Speaker 1: had been in l A so much because I had
Speaker 1: pilot season since I was twelve fourteen years old. I
Speaker 1: was always flying out there for um, for testing and
Speaker 1: pilots and stuff. So anyway, once once I got here,
Speaker 1: um it was it was stupidly charmed, like it just
Speaker 1: kept working. I just got here and I got on
Speaker 1: guest spots and on all these great different shows and started,
Speaker 1: you know, gun apartment and um, I got the the
Speaker 1: pilot for Ravens was sent to me and I flipped
Speaker 1: through it and I just was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to do a team drama.
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of other auditions at the time,
Speaker 1: so I just kind of passed by it. And then
Speaker 1: six or seven months later, um, my manager called me
Speaker 1: and she said, UM, watched this pilot. This is a show.
Speaker 1: The show I wanted you out a you to audition
Speaker 1: for a few months ago. But anyway, they're they're recasting
Speaker 1: one of the parts and if you, if you like it,
Speaker 1: take a look. So I took the pilot, the tape,
Speaker 1: the videotape it was. I still had that chunky tape.
Speaker 1: I took it over to a friend's house and we
Speaker 1: sat down and watched it. And I loved the pilot.
Speaker 1: I mean I really really did. Yeah, loved it. I thought, man,
Speaker 1: I would love to be a part of this show.
Speaker 1: I love the way they're weaving in music and the
Speaker 1: the tone of the characters feels so raw and connected,
Speaker 1: and like this feels like something I could really sink
Speaker 1: my teeth into. So um, yeah, I went in and
Speaker 1: and did my audition. We should all talk about our
Speaker 1: audition experiences at some point too. But so what were
Speaker 1: you doing before? Oh? Man, I mean I was a
Speaker 1: junior in college. I Um, I had done this movie.
Speaker 1: I had auditioned for the female lead in Van Wilder
Speaker 1: opposite Ryan Reynolds and they were like, you looked twelve.
Speaker 1: You did it. You looked really pretty well. They kept
Speaker 1: bringing me back in and I like, I eventually tested
Speaker 1: for the movie and they were like, we just think
Speaker 1: you looked too young to work. Own man. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they were like, but there's a part. There's one scene
Speaker 1: where there's this freshman in college girl and we'd like
Speaker 1: to offer it to you. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is cool. And I remember getting to work and
Speaker 1: they were like okay, so um, you're going to take
Speaker 1: that mark. And I was like, what is the mark?
Speaker 1: And Ryan Reynolds was the sweetest person and he was like,
Speaker 1: come over here, and he gave me like a lesson
Speaker 1: and was just like, this is a mark of what
Speaker 1: it means when they say toe up and did da
Speaker 1: da da and look for this and make sure no
Speaker 1: one's ever in your light. And I was like okay.
Speaker 1: And then five minutes later they were like, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna like, you know, we're gonna smash cut to her
Speaker 1: walking in the room and you're in his lap and
Speaker 1: you guys are making out, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is tremendously awkward. Thank god, he's such a nice person,
Speaker 1: and he's like remained the nicest human. Um. But I
Speaker 1: did that, and then I did this three episode guest
Speaker 1: dark on Niptuck the first season That's right, yea yeah,
Speaker 1: which was so fun and so like salacious and out
Speaker 1: of control. And then I was like, it was summer
Speaker 1: and I was working my retail job. I was working
Speaker 1: at the Centry City mall. I was working at Bloomy Dale's.
Speaker 1: I did and I were like, Rachel great, literally, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was following in Jennifer Anderson's television footsteps
Speaker 1: and the anxiety that I had every day because like
Speaker 1: all the other kids who worked there were bad and
Speaker 1: they would just take like extended smoke breaks. And I
Speaker 1: was having a panic attack every day because I was
Speaker 1: trying to recolor, coordinate and arrange everything on the shelves
Speaker 1: by size, and nobody else cared. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't take it anymore. Um. And then this came
Speaker 1: up and it and it was actually really interesting because
Speaker 1: similarly to you, I had read The Ravens scrimped And
Speaker 1: by the way, for anyone listening who doesn't know one,
Speaker 1: drio was originally titled Ravens. You know the name of
Speaker 1: the basketball team, and um, I had read the script
Speaker 1: and I had wound up doing a different pilot for
Speaker 1: the same production company. Told yeah, and it was very
Speaker 1: in the line of amazing w B shows, UM, sort
Speaker 1: of like a Seventh Heaven, like really warm families, and
Speaker 1: they printed it, I tell you, UM. But it was
Speaker 1: a pilot for ABC, and ABC was like, we don't
Speaker 1: really need a family show, like this is cute, but
Speaker 1: we're not picking this up. And fun fact, Jeff free
Speaker 1: Nordling from Big Little Lives played my Dad and my god,
Speaker 1: he's just been amazing forever. UM, but our show didn't
Speaker 1: get picked up, and then they were recasting you were
Speaker 1: part they were recasting Haley. And I got a call
Speaker 1: from one of the producers who was on my pilot
Speaker 1: and on One Tree Hill, who was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we have these four lead characters and all of them
Speaker 1: when you meet them are really struggling with something and
Speaker 1: we need rama. And they were like, we need a
Speaker 1: character to be like ridiculous and sassy. We need like
Speaker 1: comic relief. I was like broken, it was real sassy
Speaker 1: and I was like, that feels fun. And I remember
Speaker 1: going in an auditioning UM, and then I had like
Speaker 1: I think two more a callback. And then there was
Speaker 1: the test where they were remember we were there together.
Speaker 1: They were testing, um they were doing the well her
Speaker 1: name wasn't even get but they were doing the characters
Speaker 1: in the and the Haley's and it was this weird room.
Speaker 1: I remember that because it was like a circle couch
Speaker 1: or something. There was some kind of like two half
Speaker 1: new moon couches. I just remember walking in. You were
Speaker 1: in your headphones, and I remember getting, damn it, I
Speaker 1: hope I'm that girl and I are out for the
Speaker 1: same people. Because I was having a panic. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous. I don't think i can talk to
Speaker 1: anyone because if I started talking to people, I might
Speaker 1: throw up and that will definitely me and I don't
Speaker 1: get the job. It was so nervoud No. I'd been
Speaker 1: in l a like six months before Ravens, maybe even
Speaker 1: more than that, and I'd had one boyfriend, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'd only had one boyfriend in my whole life,
Speaker 1: and his friend was getting married out there. So I
Speaker 1: piggybacked like a couple auditions onto this wedding trip. And
Speaker 1: he was so pissed about it because he had to
Speaker 1: drive me around. It was l a. It was like
Speaker 1: before map quest, you know, like it was before we
Speaker 1: had to read a map to get around. And so
Speaker 1: I go to this audition for Mike Toland and he
Speaker 1: was directing radio with Cuba Gooding Jr. And I was
Speaker 1: auditioning for the part of Ed Harris's daughter. And I
Speaker 1: went in there and I did it, and it was
Speaker 1: like kind of bitchy, and he was like, here's what
Speaker 1: we need. We need you to be more vulnerable and
Speaker 1: like tell your dad that you need him. And I remember,
Speaker 1: like the look on my face because your dad's a
Speaker 1: green beret, right, And I looked at him and I said,
Speaker 1: have you ever been a teenage girl before? Like there's
Speaker 1: no way, no way I would make him think that
Speaker 1: I needed him. And they were like, well, it's good
Speaker 1: to meet you. Someone else is going to get this part.
Speaker 1: And so when I got cast, I barely audition one
Speaker 1: for One Tree Hill because I think they used all
Speaker 1: the old footage from that audition. They're like, we need
Speaker 1: a bit, like there's this Burton girl and she's awful,
Speaker 1: and so I just made a tape in New York
Speaker 1: with the casting director and um I ended up getting
Speaker 1: the job. But it was all very like I'd never
Speaker 1: met everyone anyone. So when everyone was talking about tests
Speaker 1: and things like that, I was like, what is a test?
Speaker 1: What are you guys talking about? So when I showed
Speaker 1: up in Wilmington's, everybody had already met each other because
Speaker 1: they all read with each other in auditions or tests,
Speaker 1: chemistry reads and stuff. Yeah, I just showed up and
Speaker 1: I met Chad on Dawson's Creek. I've done one episode.
Speaker 1: I've done the hundredth episode of Dawson's Creek. It was
Speaker 1: an episode where all those kids go to the MTV
Speaker 1: spring Bread were playing yourself and I played myself, and
Speaker 1: it was it should have been an in because I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, my character's name is Hilary. They spelled it wrong. Um,
Speaker 1: But Katie Holmes was telling me, like, oh, that Chad's
Speaker 1: character was one of the handsome brothers. And my line was,
Speaker 1: thank god you told me I probably would have slept
Speaker 1: with him. And now, when you're playing yourself, you're very
Speaker 1: sensitive about that, especially when you're super young. And I
Speaker 1: was not a promiscuous when I wouldn't have a saying,
Speaker 1: and so I said that. I was like, guys, I
Speaker 1: got a problem with this line, and they're like, who
Speaker 1: is this healthy thing? I was like, I'm not saying it,
Speaker 1: and so it should have been an omen for like
Speaker 1: the continuation of my career and saying this person I'm
Speaker 1: stuff is this? Yeah? But Chad gotten to the van
Speaker 1: our very first day we're like going to the read
Speaker 1: through for the pilot, and introduced himself like we hadn't met,
Speaker 1: and I remember being like, this is who, Like angsty,
Speaker 1: bitchy stuff was legit, Like I was just being, you know,
Speaker 1: I was a jerk kid. Brought that energy in. It
Speaker 1: was real, real, Oh my god, I love it. What's
Speaker 1: crazy to me is you telling that story makes me
Speaker 1: realize that the three of us had the exact same
Speaker 1: experience starting on our show. We all showed up to
Speaker 1: spaces where everybody else knew everybody because when we showed up,
Speaker 1: you then had done the pilot and you knew everybody,
Speaker 1: but you were meeting everybody for all the Haley reshoots
Speaker 1: for the first time. And then when I showed up
Speaker 1: to start working, I had already been there for a bit.
Speaker 1: You had been there for a week because I wasn't
Speaker 1: in the pilot. I started in episode one but they
Speaker 1: brought me out during the pilot reshoot scenes that you
Speaker 1: were doing and and so it's blowing my mind that
Speaker 1: the three of us women had the same repeat experience.
Speaker 1: That's weird, that's crazy, and to learn that today is
Speaker 1: really weird. I apologize for bringing a chip on my shoulder,
Speaker 1: will show them. Um, what I think was really fun
Speaker 1: is that we got to insert little tiny pieces of
Speaker 1: our real selves into our characters. Because I don't know
Speaker 1: that our boss is necessarily knew what they were doing
Speaker 1: a lot either. It was new for a lot of them,
Speaker 1: and so we got to influence little bits and pieces
Speaker 1: of who our characters would become. I actually had been
Speaker 1: a cheerleader in high school. I was a very grumpy
Speaker 1: cheerleader in high school. I remember having like pictures of
Speaker 1: Charles Manson and quotes of his on my megaphone and
Speaker 1: like just to be And so when they created this character,
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, that hits close to home. Um,
Speaker 1: what were pieces of your characters that really stood out
Speaker 1: for you guys, either that we're there already or that
Speaker 1: you inserted. Gosh, I'm trying to think about this because
Speaker 1: I have, Um, well, first of all, I have the
Speaker 1: worst long term me, Marie ever, you could make sure
Speaker 1: that no one would know joy. Um. I mean I
Speaker 1: remember getting there and being I was kind of, like
Speaker 1: I said, already used to being dropped into new situations
Speaker 1: on my own and just having to sort of handle
Speaker 1: it and connect with people and make friends. So I've
Speaker 1: been doing that for a while so and I'm such
Speaker 1: an introvert that I was also like, Um, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to spend time in my hotel room and walk
Speaker 1: around on my own, and yeah that you know, I'd
Speaker 1: walked around just like being poetic and writing poetry and
Speaker 1: back of napkins and things in my mind, writing songs
Speaker 1: and like just so awkward and didn't know how to
Speaker 1: actually have a real like spending time getting to know
Speaker 1: somebody again. So I think a lot of my experience
Speaker 1: was colored by that. Um. But in terms of Haley
Speaker 1: and and being on set, I mean I remembered remember
Speaker 1: shooting the scene in the cafe with Karen and the
Speaker 1: chili and some thing about magazine pages being sticky. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to watch this pilot. Well know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, But there was something about that and I'm
Speaker 1: was like mouthing off to Lucas and it felt very comfortable.
Speaker 1: Um Moira and Chibe were both really welcoming and really
Speaker 1: um encouraging, and um, I felt like I had room
Speaker 1: to play and uh and I think I resonated with
Speaker 1: the sense that Haley felt kind of introverted and awkward
Speaker 1: and didn't really know how to connect with people. Because
Speaker 1: even though I'm I'm an extroverted introvert because of my business,
Speaker 1: I've learned how to um walk into a room and
Speaker 1: manage a conversation, connecting with lots of people and being charismatic,
Speaker 1: But inside, I'm crawling into a hole and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to be alone. So I think there was a
Speaker 1: lot of that part of me that I recognized in
Speaker 1: Haley and you know, connected with that what about you?
Speaker 1: So oh man. It was really interesting because there was
Speaker 1: a there was a boldness to Brooke Davis. Well, actually
Speaker 1: I need to rewind her name wasn't even Brooke Davis.
Speaker 1: It was terrible, like one percent now that there's anythink
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong, but like that was not her name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like it doesn't it doesn't. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: feel right. Is an expensive name, you know, it's so
Speaker 1: funny is. I remember when we were getting everything settled
Speaker 1: and h one of our writers was like, well, what
Speaker 1: name do you like? And they suggested a couple. And
Speaker 1: my best friend from college is a girl named Brooke,
Speaker 1: and she is just like one of those people who
Speaker 1: is so chic, Like she can put on something that
Speaker 1: is actually like expensive and beautiful, or she can put
Speaker 1: on a Zara T shirt and it looks like it's
Speaker 1: a designer like somebody else we know. That's very sweet.
Speaker 1: I always am like, this is like a nice outfit.
Speaker 1: Why do I look like a teenage boy in This
Speaker 1: is how I feel every day. Also, like every single
Speaker 1: day I wear a pair of jeans in an oversized blazer.
Speaker 1: But this is not the point important. I do love
Speaker 1: a uniform, but I and I just there was something
Speaker 1: about like her spirit even in college, Like I similarly
Speaker 1: to you, I think I know how to I know
Speaker 1: how to show up in a room, I know how
Speaker 1: to do my job. I'm really really good at being
Speaker 1: bold for other people. But I've realized, as a grown
Speaker 1: up who has spent invested money in therapy, I'm actually
Speaker 1: historically I have not been good at being bold for myself.
Speaker 1: And my friend Brook from college. Was so unabashedly bold
Speaker 1: and was never ashamed of anything, and never embarrassed by anything,
Speaker 1: and and never worried she was offending anyone. She was
Speaker 1: so herself and I knew that this character was supposed
Speaker 1: to be like that. And I think the interesting thing
Speaker 1: is that I learned a little more about how to
Speaker 1: do that for myself because I played Brooke Davis, and
Speaker 1: I brought like deeply self conscious here and um and
Speaker 1: and self searching to her. And I think I was
Speaker 1: able to humanize her because very similarly to you, and
Speaker 1: I know we all experienced this on our show. There
Speaker 1: were things that were written for me to do as
Speaker 1: this person that I just refused to do. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. Yeah, we all had moments like that.
Speaker 1: We all had that, and and I think there was
Speaker 1: something really beautiful that that we got to be inspired
Speaker 1: by our characters. We got to inspire our characters, and
Speaker 1: weirdly we stuck up for each other, Like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: Briok Davis and I stuck up for each other every day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know. I feel that I feel like Peyton
Speaker 1: Sawyer is a very different person than I am, and
Speaker 1: I'm so defensive of her because she's like a broken
Speaker 1: winged bird, you know. And and there are other people
Speaker 1: in our industry who have done teen dramas who try
Speaker 1: to distance themselves from it. It's like, guys, it's a genre,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And so for me always
Speaker 1: like owning her and ending her it's been a life's work.
Speaker 1: But also like, have we forgotten what is their show? Uh?
Speaker 1: Come on? Claire Danes and Jared Leto's class life, Like
Speaker 1: there are two of my favorite actors who make the
Speaker 1: most incredible Academy Award nominated films we've ever seen. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't hate a teen drama. I love it. I
Speaker 1: think it makes you. And you said something that I
Speaker 1: thought was so smart all day. This is my I
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're gonna mantra, and I love it. Listen,
Speaker 1: all these folks out there winning awards with good scripts,
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. Because if you script and make it
Speaker 1: relatable and watchable and like make somebody cry, you're a winner.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think about that so often, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, if we can make you weep and have
Speaker 1: a deep talk with your family after an episode of
Speaker 1: our show on a very mediocre script the we can
Speaker 1: we can jump sharks and you still love us, Like,
Speaker 1: come on that that takes some real metal, if I
Speaker 1: may say so, for all of us. So in watching,
Speaker 1: in watching this, guys, I have listened. I have not
Speaker 1: seen anything since I left either, like no, not and
Speaker 1: I never saw the last three seasons because I was
Speaker 1: like off having babies and like you know, just on
Speaker 1: a different plane. And so frankly, I'm nervous watching because
Speaker 1: it's like, I know it's going to be painful to
Speaker 1: watch myself learn how to act on camera like I
Speaker 1: wasn't in class. I've taken classes for years, I've done
Speaker 1: theater forever, but TV acting is so so so different,
Speaker 1: I am. I am also nervous to rewatch because I
Speaker 1: I know where my personal life was during those ten years,
Speaker 1: and I I know what you're literally health face just
Speaker 1: turned red. What you're literally healthy? Um, we got a
Speaker 1: lot of comedy. Yeah, But like I when I think
Speaker 1: back on there's so many parts of myself that I
Speaker 1: also have invested money in therapy. Have you know, done
Speaker 1: a lot of works as you do when life kicks
Speaker 1: your ass and U And when I think about the
Speaker 1: sort of superiority complexes that I have am like how
Speaker 1: judgmental and like how there's just so many things that
Speaker 1: I look back on my younger self and you I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys do, but I cringe at
Speaker 1: a lot of those moments. I mean, I'm still learning
Speaker 1: to forgive myself for just being human and growing and learning.
Speaker 1: But I think back and I know I inserted so
Speaker 1: much of that into Haley, And so when I watch her,
Speaker 1: when I have seen clips or things come on, I
Speaker 1: always cringe because I'm just like, oh God, she's so
Speaker 1: like that's is that what I was like, Oh God,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I oh man, Well, you know what's
Speaker 1: so interesting to me about it, though, is I also
Speaker 1: feel like, and we've had this experience, the three of us,
Speaker 1: over the years, and you know, we've talked about this
Speaker 1: with the fans. So many of you listening at home
Speaker 1: probably no facets of these stories, but there was so
Speaker 1: much not only of us as young adults, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, knew nothing, we were learning in real times
Speaker 1: the first time a lot of us were away from
Speaker 1: our parents. Yes, like it was kind of like being
Speaker 1: pushed off a cliff and trying to get your like
Speaker 1: sky diving back back on. At the same time, it
Speaker 1: was really it's a wonder none of us is dead,
Speaker 1: So congratulations. Like as you we said last night at dinner,
Speaker 1: we all had dinner last night, and you said you
Speaker 1: were talking about the benefit of being in Wilmington's when
Speaker 1: we weren't being able to be snapped by paparazzi coming
Speaker 1: out of a restaurant. You know, like that stuff messes
Speaker 1: with you when you're that yeng and no wonder, a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of you know, kids without guidance,
Speaker 1: without their parents still there, just kind of went off
Speaker 1: the rails, you know that. And I don't know that
Speaker 1: we would have been any different if we hadn't been
Speaker 1: protected by our location in a lot of ways. I mean,
Speaker 1: even the aspects of it that we did experience were
Speaker 1: really traumatizing for me. Like I it was so hard
Speaker 1: to handle this notion that everyone wants you to fail
Speaker 1: so they can make fun of you. But also you're
Speaker 1: meant to be perfect, but no one knows how to
Speaker 1: be perfect, let alone an adult. Because we were twenty
Speaker 1: years old, and like I mean, you know, the only
Speaker 1: thing that ever because I was always like drunk, hungover,
Speaker 1: like gonna be the hard part of watching this for
Speaker 1: me is like I was, like I was a brute um,
Speaker 1: but the only paparazzi mess I ever ran into was
Speaker 1: at this hotel. Well, we are at the W Hotel
Speaker 1: in Westwood, and I came out in like season five
Speaker 1: or season six to start pitching TV shows that I'd
Speaker 1: created with my little brother Billy, and so Billy had
Speaker 1: worked on our show. Billy and I are staying here,
Speaker 1: maybe even in one of these rooms because I knew
Speaker 1: it had like two bedrooms here. And the next thing
Speaker 1: I know, like the magazines reporting Hillary Burton seen laughing
Speaker 1: over dinner at the W Hotel with a mystery man
Speaker 1: my brother so late, you know, and I felt so violated,
Speaker 1: and that happened to me once, you know, And so
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. You're right, the kids that are just
Speaker 1: under the microscope all the time. But it's so interesting
Speaker 1: because when we think about it, there was that external attention.
Speaker 1: There was the very real world of what we were
Speaker 1: learning on set and being human beings making mistakes and
Speaker 1: you know, being hung over and figuring out and and
Speaker 1: you know, never never, it's part of my problem. By
Speaker 1: the way, we'll get you there, we were making up
Speaker 1: for it, but I've done since then. I think that
Speaker 1: there's something so interesting also about our ability now the
Speaker 1: privilege really of getting a version of a do over
Speaker 1: of this female friendship that is so important to the
Speaker 1: three of us that has been such a lifeline. We
Speaker 1: do have these tattoos on the inside that nobody else has,
Speaker 1: and we've been able to be like, oh wow, weird
Speaker 1: to learn that there were some adults who didn't want
Speaker 1: us to be friends because they thought we would negotiate together,
Speaker 1: so they like pitted us against each other at twenty
Speaker 1: that's dark like. And yet no matter what anybody ever tried,
Speaker 1: the ways they wanted to mess with us, with the
Speaker 1: way the industry was trying to mess with kids in
Speaker 1: the early two thousands or anything, like, the three of
Speaker 1: us came out like Jones of arc like just out
Speaker 1: of the fire, like white can't with us, and I
Speaker 1: really I love it. Yeah, all of us got involved
Speaker 1: in advocacy. We're all a little surly um And I
Speaker 1: would say to us, you us no, never, No, I
Speaker 1: mean I think rewatching it together as a group is
Speaker 1: going to be fun because I didn't know what you
Speaker 1: guys were going through the show and all we could do,
Speaker 1: especially at that ages, assume like it's one of the
Speaker 1: things that we don't at that time. I guess when
Speaker 1: we were being raised different generated text, like we couldn't
Speaker 1: even taste each other. I had a motor role of Razor,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was so cool, slip like wow,
Speaker 1: that t mobile one that was like a stiver, the
Speaker 1: sound of the sidekick opening and then the soft keys,
Speaker 1: the like taught how to be like the value of
Speaker 1: being vulnerable with each other and so that it was
Speaker 1: okay to just be like, guys, I feel insecure when
Speaker 1: I'm around you and all you're doing is talking and
Speaker 1: bouncing off each other, and I don't know what to
Speaker 1: say and I can't keep up, and like, can you
Speaker 1: just like make space for me? Like nobody would have
Speaker 1: taught me to say that when I it's just not
Speaker 1: wasn't part of the generation we were raised, so we
Speaker 1: can't know. And it feels so special. And I think
Speaker 1: about all the young women who reach out to all
Speaker 1: of us all the time, who are watching the show
Speaker 1: now and who talk about how important our on screen
Speaker 1: friendships are, and I'm like, man, we're getting the better
Speaker 1: version of any version of a friendship we had on
Speaker 1: screen or otherwise, we're getting it now in our adulthood,
Speaker 1: in this new era. To your point, Joy of like
Speaker 1: women actually being taught to go to bat for each
Speaker 1: other and for themselves. Yeah, like we're not each other's
Speaker 1: competition where each other's greatest champions. But back then everyone
Speaker 1: around us wanted us to compete with each other. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that all this stuff that's
Speaker 1: so scary to watch, Joys the talented one, Sophia is
Speaker 1: the gorgeous one, and you're the angry one. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I made horrible things. It's not wrong.
Speaker 1: It's like it's pretty angry. You're also beautiful, and we
Speaker 1: all do okay for ourselves. But well doing this, I
Speaker 1: think those titles are a fun thing to poke at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we're going to have our friends on the show.
Speaker 1: Lee had his experiences, Antoine, James, all of our peers
Speaker 1: also had those experiences, so throughout the course of this
Speaker 1: whole series, Like, I'm excited to have them on because
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a totally different experienced things we never did.
Speaker 1: For sure, this is what you were saying. Sophia's I
Speaker 1: think one of the it's the biggest reason why we
Speaker 1: wanted to do this podcast because as as fun as
Speaker 1: it is to reconnect, I love doing this with you girls,
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, this is this is such a
Speaker 1: cool revisit to a major pop culture moment. Yes, but
Speaker 1: the fact that now as as older women, you know,
Speaker 1: Hillary and I are moms raising young girls also, um,
Speaker 1: just being able to offer to the younger generation a
Speaker 1: vision of what a sisterhood can look like. Um, for
Speaker 1: women who grew up watching the show, to be able
Speaker 1: to revisit that maybe with some of their girlfriends. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe you'll you out there listening, will learn along with
Speaker 1: us some of the things that we are some of
Speaker 1: our takeaways, some of the things that we're learning as
Speaker 1: we heal in some ways, which I think this is
Speaker 1: going to be healing in a lot of ways. Second
Speaker 1: season mullet, I had, I don't know if yeah, But anyway,
Speaker 1: I just think I think it's going to be great,
Speaker 1: And I think I'm really excited because I think that's
Speaker 1: going to be really helpful for a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of young women tuning in. Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get weird. UM, Sorry you can always
Speaker 1: count on me to be I know you can always
Speaker 1: count on me because I'm like I love to lean
Speaker 1: in any other reason, I got a joke, some funny
Speaker 1: feelings where yeah, this is why I was always over.
Speaker 1: This is why we're a good unit. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: we were cast really well. And it's weird to think
Speaker 1: that there was a person out there who is responsible
Speaker 1: for choosing our friendships for us, um and for me
Speaker 1: as a kid that was hard because I was like,
Speaker 1: you can't tell me who to be friends with, but
Speaker 1: like they did a really good job, Like we all
Speaker 1: turned out great in the conventions we do are so
Speaker 1: fun and so this is an extension of that should
Speaker 1: be great. Um. So yes, we're you know, we've got
Speaker 1: a whole how many seasons nine? We have a hundred
Speaker 1: and eighties seven hours of television we do it. It's
Speaker 1: so many hours. That's a lot. It's a lot. Like
Speaker 1: when we get those messages and someone's like I'm rewatching
Speaker 1: it from the start for the fourth time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: thank you. And also do youre or like a job?
Speaker 1: Are you really us? Okay? Food? Yeah, who's going to
Speaker 1: be the person you're most excited to have? On and
Speaker 1: pick their brain. Paul's gonna be a blast. No, Lie,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun. I've got a lot of energy. Also,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear Moira's perspective because like she
Speaker 1: was our age when we started our show. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: now I'm like, were we I just want to look
Speaker 1: at her and be like, were we idiots? Did you? Like?
Speaker 1: He's going to have Barbara too. Antone for me is
Speaker 1: so fun because his perspective on Antonina had like kids
Speaker 1: who were teenagers when we were seeing the show, and
Speaker 1: so he also was removed from it in a way
Speaker 1: where he could just watch us like spin our wheels
Speaker 1: and be messy and loved it. Like when anton called
Speaker 1: you and just like you need to go out tonight.
Speaker 1: We're going to sidebar, you know, like you all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a lecture tonight. And he would
Speaker 1: just make sure that everything was cool. He was like
Speaker 1: a good negotiator. Yeah, Anton's the party, he really is.
Speaker 1: And for anyone listening at home who might not know,
Speaker 1: Paul played Dan, Moira played Karen, Barbara played up and
Speaker 1: Antoine played Skills. When you think about the sort of
Speaker 1: epic feeling of oh my god, I've been cast on
Speaker 1: a w B show. Do you guys remember, Because when
Speaker 1: I when I think about landing at you know, our
Speaker 1: sweet little six Gate Airport, which, by the way, when
Speaker 1: we've gone back for conventions and win Awa, I just
Speaker 1: love it here. It still smells the same, perfect. But
Speaker 1: I remember leaving the airport and I had to go
Speaker 1: straight to the studio for like a first meeting. And
Speaker 1: when I pulled into screen Gems, the side of one
Speaker 1: of the stages had that huge Dawson's Creek mural on it,
Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking, Oh my god, I'm here,
Speaker 1: and it was so great is happening. I was just
Speaker 1: kind of the day. Still our own big old heads
Speaker 1: got put up on the side they put and they did,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like the side of the cafeteria, the
Speaker 1: entire sidewall. Yeah, I was down with that. We all
Speaker 1: landed in different parts of town to like when you
Speaker 1: first get cast on a Warner Brothers show, you all
Speaker 1: stay at like the river View Sweets in Wilmington's you
Speaker 1: know which is the Sweets. It's like an extended stay hotel.
Speaker 1: But then we all went off and picked our own
Speaker 1: places to live and at the beach, right, didn't you
Speaker 1: got to the beach? Oh my gosh, I think I did,
Speaker 1: because that was the year we got that those dogs.
Speaker 1: Remember so fair we got those dogs. Oh we went
Speaker 1: on a Saturday and got plane. No. Um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wasn't invited to Poppy Day. I was hungover party. I
Speaker 1: think the beach so angry that moved downtown second season,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think where did you go? Well? I
Speaker 1: had the very first place I got because they put
Speaker 1: me up for the pilot. And then it was like, okay, child,
Speaker 1: here's a chunk of money. Go find a place to live.
Speaker 1: You don't want to. Like I'd never signed a least
Speaker 1: on my own before, I didn't know how to do that.
Speaker 1: And so I found an apartment for like six hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars a month that was directly across the
Speaker 1: street from Karen's Cafe. I was living above Fire Belly,
Speaker 1: and it was the first time I've ever lived alone.
Speaker 1: And there was this dude next door to me who
Speaker 1: was so scary. His name was Glenn. If he's listening,
Speaker 1: I don't even care that you know you're scary, because
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, which proves your scary. So the
Speaker 1: way Glenn was so weird and like with lean out
Speaker 1: on his balcony to peek in my balcony, and then
Speaker 1: I found these holes in the wall and I was like,
Speaker 1: you did not, but I didn't know if it was
Speaker 1: just a building or like Glenn was like Anthony Perkins psycho.
Speaker 1: So I was so scary. So that is when I
Speaker 1: started inviting the crew to come over every time they
Speaker 1: wrapped at Karen's cafe, just because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be by myself. And so I ended up having like
Speaker 1: ragers at this little six d dollar apartment um and
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was a great time. I was
Speaker 1: not far. I was also off Front Street. The first
Speaker 1: apartment I found was that apartment. It was just in
Speaker 1: such a weird little building that I think there were
Speaker 1: only like four apartments. There was a weird staircase that
Speaker 1: went up the side of every level, and I think
Speaker 1: it was like two apartments per floor. It was basically
Speaker 1: the unused space that someone realized they could be making
Speaker 1: money on because it was the other side of the
Speaker 1: rooftop of the real cafe. It was all that exposed
Speaker 1: break because I think it had been outside and then
Speaker 1: they made it inside and they put these four apartments
Speaker 1: in this random and it was so cool. And I
Speaker 1: remember having to negotiate with the parking lot across the
Speaker 1: street because there was obviously like there was no part,
Speaker 1: there was nothing. I negotiated with the parking lot that
Speaker 1: was across the street that was like a you know,
Speaker 1: pay by day place, and I like ran around until
Speaker 1: I found the owner, like in a bar, and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, like, I live across the street. Is
Speaker 1: there anyway I could just like pay you every month
Speaker 1: to park? And I paid nine a month to have
Speaker 1: a parking spot, which was so much money to me
Speaker 1: at the time. And I think about like people complaining
Speaker 1: about how in New York they have to pay a
Speaker 1: month for parking. Maybe I shouldn't have been complaining, but
Speaker 1: we were just so broke, Like, you know, it was
Speaker 1: all so weird. I remember, you know, you get your
Speaker 1: like little they give you a couple thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: they're like buy your own plane ticket and then move
Speaker 1: across the country with all your stuff, and you're like, okay, okay, scary,
Speaker 1: But I loved that apartment bunch of scrap booking stuff.
Speaker 1: When you're like, this is my scrap booking room. I
Speaker 1: was so my whole quote, dining room table, whatever that was,
Speaker 1: was just covered in photo album and I think I
Speaker 1: was into it for like a year and then I
Speaker 1: was like, well, well, I just have a I have
Speaker 1: a lot of I have a what's that called, um
Speaker 1: decush no card stock, card stock. I'm gonna card stock
Speaker 1: and I'm going to make borders and it's going to
Speaker 1: be beautiful. And I was like, no, I'm not. I tried. Listen,
Speaker 1: We've got a whole TV show that's the scrap Book.
Speaker 1: But see this thing, even when it's not gonna last,
Speaker 1: I'm really committed to the thing. I decided to try
Speaker 1: to do, even if it's just for a moment. So
Speaker 1: many hobbies that I've been like, scrap looking, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm going to learn how to I
Speaker 1: don't know play the guitar. Never did that either, but
Speaker 1: I have one. Do you heard of being an artist?
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, explore all these different ideas.
Speaker 1: Damn it asked Kitting. That's right. We all picked up
Speaker 1: weird hobbies to keep ourselves busy on set. A lot
Speaker 1: of you know, pre social media. Now everybody just like
Speaker 1: scrolls through their phone back. We actually talked to each
Speaker 1: other and had the knitting circles kind of not really.
Speaker 1: The dogs, Yeah, guys, I didn't get a dog. I
Speaker 1: did little any She was in Carolina, Carolina, remember that
Speaker 1: little God Little Golden. I was a shoe lab or retriever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what she was. They were they were dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she ended up on a farm. I just wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to take care of an animal that that juncture in
Speaker 1: my life. But I am now listen, before we wrap up,
Speaker 1: I have kind of a little surprise for us. I
Speaker 1: like surprises. Joy always has good surprises. Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 1: this was given to me by um one of our
Speaker 1: executive producers, Greg Range at the rap of the pilot.
Speaker 1: Congratulations of the It could have been the end of
Speaker 1: season one. It was a big gift, So maybe it
Speaker 1: was the end of season one. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: just for having this moment was definitely like the first
Speaker 1: at the very beginning. I mean, this is in six
Speaker 1: box of Don Peignon and it's not a box, it's
Speaker 1: a bottle. Because the bottle. Yeah, Joy, what did you
Speaker 1: do that we didn't do? I thought everybody was like,
Speaker 1: I think you truly like rett I guess that it
Speaker 1: was at the end of the pilot. So anyway, I've
Speaker 1: been saving it for, you know, since two three. Don't
Speaker 1: make it worse two thousand three. But let's pop it open. Actually,
Speaker 1: enjoy this bottle. I've been saving for exactly the right moment.
Speaker 1: There's anything more dramatic and fancy than into girl. I
Speaker 1: love fancy. And by the way, like, it's so nice
Speaker 1: to be in a moment when you know it's special
Speaker 1: like we were kids. I don't know that we recognized
Speaker 1: all the time, and so reuniting now feels good because
Speaker 1: we know what special enjoy is gonna. Okay, wow, that
Speaker 1: was very professionally done. Thank you. I drink a lot
Speaker 1: of champagne. Apparently. Look at the color. This is like
Speaker 1: a nice amber color. Um, you're welcome. Listen. I have
Speaker 1: moved several times with this bottle, so there's a good
Speaker 1: chance it's terrible, but honestly kind. I love you guys,
Speaker 1: drama queens. Yeah that works. Oh well, kids, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a great time. Yes we are. We'll see you
Speaker 1: next week. What are we doing next next week? Where
Speaker 1: we are watching the pilots? So before you watch our show,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you, if you want to participate, go
Speaker 1: watch the pilot and then and then come listen. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have a nice chick about all the fun things
Speaker 1: we remember and who else knows what else is going
Speaker 1: to come up a little bit, talk, just a little,
Speaker 1: just a little. We deserve it, Champagne. Hey, everybody, just by, Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.
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