1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to well, actually Sophie's not here, so 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: we can name it whatever we want. Welcome to Sophie Town, 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: the only podcast where all of us are named Sophie 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: and pretend like we live in a town called Sophie 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Town where only good things happen. No, yeah, that's true. Yeah, Sophie, 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: you've done a really good I like what you've done 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: with the place. And our audio editor is Sophie. Or 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: this is cool. People did cool stuff which you probably 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: knew because this is a part two of a series 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: for which I'll be host Margaret Sophie Killjoy and with 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: me today is my guest, a Linda Sophie Sagata, the 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: one and only. Yeah, are you doing a Linda on 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: this day? That's totally a different day than last day. Oh, 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I had a snack a sleek bar, 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: so I'm feeling great. I'm here in New Orleans. You 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: know New Orleans also known as Sophie Town, right and yeah, yeah, 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: doing good? Yeah, excited to talk about one of my 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: favorite topics. Hell, yeah, Sophie, I mean the young Lord. Yea. 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: Our producer is Ian Sophie Or. Theme music was written 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: for us by young woman, and I'm going to drop 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: that bit now. This is part two of our extra 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: cool four part on the Young Lords, only the second 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: topic to end up four part and where we last 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: left our heroes. You've got this guy named Cha Cha 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: who's just been politicized in jail and then he gets 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: out and he's the leader of a gang called the 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: Young Lords. So he puts two to two together and 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: decides to get some shit done. First, he tries to 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: get shit done the normal way. He doesn't. He doesn't 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 1: immediately be like, hey, the Young Lords, now we're radical socialists. 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: He forms an activist group. He forms an activist group 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: called the Puerto Rican Progressive Movement. Oh wow, it doesn't 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: get off the ground. He's like, this doesn't really work. 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: No one's like really, says he go, joid, I think 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: this is an important lesson. No one's excited to go 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: join the like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: thing that. And then think's like, do you want to 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: be a become a Young Lord, And people are like absolutely, yeah, 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: totally yeah, Like our background is crime and our future 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: is the overthrow of capitalism. Yeah yeah, you were like, 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: sign me up. Yeah, So yeah, he's like, all right, well, 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm a gang leader and I need a bunch of 43 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: people to try and get some stuff done, and we 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: exist to defend ourselves from white racists. So fuck it, 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: and I will say best as I can tell. Most 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: of the history center on him a little bit too much. 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: He is really great, he's cool, but in all of us, 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: he's not alone. A few of the other Young Lords 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: are with him from the start of all this change 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: and like are part of all the radicalization and are 51 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: largely left out of the histories because people kind of 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: they pick a guy right to I, and he seems 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: like a great guy to have picked. I got no. 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: You know, there's always worth pointing out. The first thing 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: that they did as the new well, they didn't change 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: their name yet. Eventually they're the Young Lords organization. But 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: twenty of them show up to a meeting. There's a 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: neighborhood meeting where a bunch of people are talking about 59 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: gentrifying the neighborhood and like literally bulldozing huge trunks of it. 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: So the Young Lords are very polite and calm, they said, 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: politely through the whole thing, and then they point out 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: the lack of Puerto Rican representation in the group making 63 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: these decisions. And then they trashed the place after sitting 64 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: very politely. Yeah, they like threw chairs around. I feel 65 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: like it just like emphasizes the sort of intimidation factor 66 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: if they're like, oh m interesting, yes, and then smash 67 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: it up. Then they went home and they studied. They 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: just like sat down and fucking read and they talked 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: to people, and they studied leftist movements and they did 70 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: their homework. And in the end they were like, right, 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: Black Panther Party, that's our model. And I think that 72 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party, who again I haven't even done 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: episode on yet, but they're like in the center of 74 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: almost everything we're talking about. So many groups exist because 75 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: of them. Right, And so the Young Lords they put 76 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: together a ten point program. And if cha cha had 77 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: been a target for harassment from cops before when he was, 78 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, a gang leader with a long record, he 79 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: has twice as much of one. Now he gets stopped 80 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: and arrested like twice a week. Oh Jesus. Everywhere the 81 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: Young Lords go, the cops are there usually like already, 82 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: I think, and this is really telling anti gang enforcement 83 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: in the city of Chicago, including a new intelligence unit 84 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: started because gangs went political. It was fine when you 85 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: had raised his gangs of Irish and German youth, and 86 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: then it was like they actually literally all just get 87 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: city jobs. And then it was like fine ish when 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: you have the newer non white gangs who just do cry. 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: But once they go political, then we can arrest you. 90 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, you can all fight each other and yeah, yeah, 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: it's like you're staying as a fighting each other. Yeah. 92 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: Now when they're politicized, they're fucking scared. Yeah, and the 93 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: oppression doesn't stop them. They went some of the things 94 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: that they did in their early days. They defended welfare activists, 95 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: mothers who did a sit in to demand their back payments, 96 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: like because they weren't getting paid, and so they went 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: into security for them. They formally integrated. There was always 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: apparently a not I don't know always, but there was 99 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: a women's auxiliary to the young lords called the lordets. 100 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: And the women's role in this movement is going to 101 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: increase over time, and we'll talk about that um and 102 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: when yeah, yeah, and I and going political as a 103 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: huge part of it, right, So they formally integrate the 104 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: women's auxiliary into the main group, and then everyone, I believe, 105 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: including the men, start starts working on offering childcare to 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: their community. They also get together with a black gang 107 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: to fundraise through community picnics, teach people about drug safety, 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: They get toys for Christmas for kids, and like food 109 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: for people's tables, and they're doing mutual aid and they're 110 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: doing community defense and they're just like doing the ship 111 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: that makes sixties groups so fucking cool. And meanwhile the 112 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: city is like, we have to destroy this violent gang. Yeah, exactly, 113 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: who are giving Christmas presents two children? Yeah? When they 114 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: were stabbing people in the beach, the cops were like, ah, 115 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there was a there was a community 116 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: council meeting at a police station about what to do 117 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: with the young lords or whatever. And so three to 118 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: five hundred people, many in purple berets, showed up to 119 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: this community council meeting and then they disrupted it. They 120 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: hung up signs on the walls with slogans like city 121 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: law does not allow pig on the street and pigs 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: need support centers to keep them off the street. They 123 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: started pushing for what gets called or what they called 124 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: Third World unity, welcoming in black and white members as 125 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: well if they were working class. So working class people 126 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: of all races were allowed to join the Young Lords. 127 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: Oh wow, they Yeah, it's interesting. And when we talk 128 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: the New York one will have even more information, or 129 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: I have even more information about the multiracial makeup of 130 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: the Young Lords. They threw a conference on the matter 131 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: with Chicago Black Panther chairman Fred Hampton as the keynote 132 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: speaker for this third world unity concept and trying to 133 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: get everyone together. And then they joined up with this group. 134 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: If you ever I hadn't Have you ever heard of 135 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: a group called the Young Patriots? No, all right, imagine, okay, 136 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: well first I'm gonna say, okay, so they form the 137 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Rainbow Coalition. That's what they because there's all the different 138 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, colors of people or whatever. And one of 139 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: the groups is the Young Patriots, who are a leftist 140 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: socialist street gang in Chicago who are white Appalachians who 141 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: use the Confederate battle flag as the flag of their 142 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: socialist movement. Anyway, can see Elenda's eyes are like staring, 143 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: just like, wait, my brain is bending, and I'm not 144 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: like laughing at them. I'm laughing at how incredibly this 145 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: doesn't translate to modern politics. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 146 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: Also I'm just like I was first even like, whoa 147 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: Appalachian folks in Chicago, Like that was interesting to me. Yeah. Well, 148 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: and that's actually the thing is that they were facing. 149 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: It's not ethnic oppression, right, but they're facing a specific 150 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: class oppression that is based on where they're from, right, 151 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: because they're not just poor white people, but they're poor 152 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: white Appalachians and it's a different type of classism that 153 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: still exists to this day, right, Like, um, and so 154 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: they get called Hillbillies. They're poorest. Fuck, they're iced out 155 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: of proper white society, and so they're like, all right, 156 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: fuck you Yankee, piece of shit. Wasps were doing our 157 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: own thing or whatever. And they work to start interracial 158 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: working class organizations to get medical care to children and 159 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: to end the draft. They tied in their struggle with 160 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: poor oppressed people everywhere as part of the uprisings around 161 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: the world. Their party platform specifically spoke out against cultural nationalism, 162 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: which makes sense, right because they're white people, right. So yeah, 163 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: you kind of just I can't do a nationalism if 164 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: you're white, right, in any given context, I mean, if 165 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: you're Ireland trying to decolonize as complicated, but that's like 166 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: literally an Ireland, not some fucking Irish racist gang in Chicago, 167 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, they're just like doing all of the 168 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: right stuff. They they first met the Panthers when they 169 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: and the Panthers accidentally double booked a church in Lincoln 170 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: Park to do a talk. That's really that's like a 171 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: cute meetings, you know, And so then they just talked 172 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: about their mutual class interests and anti war interests, right, 173 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: because this is another thing that's like part of all 174 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: of us too. You have the Vietnam War going on 175 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: and or in all of us. I was just thinking that, 176 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: like we have the draft going on. My father actually 177 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: went to Vietnam, so that was like a huge part 178 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: of my growing up was learning. I was just learning 179 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: through his eyes and like his experience as a marine, 180 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: Aquerriican marine in Vietnam when he was super young, and 181 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: it just like radicalized him. Yeah so much when he 182 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: was able to make it home, you know. Yeah, yeah, 183 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: when I was young, Like my father was very clear 184 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: with me, you know, elementary school age, just like they 185 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: put people of color, they put black people and Porto 186 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: Ricans on the front lines because they expected us to 187 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: die and we were totally disposable. Just like That's what 188 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: I was raised with, you know, was from that perspective. 189 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: When I say that rules, I mean that rules that 190 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: your dad knew that and passed that along, not that 191 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: it rules that they did that. Yeah, he was a 192 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: total dadass. But that is like such a big part 193 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: of like the background of this story that is hard 194 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: for me to remember. I like forget, like, oh yeah, 195 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: at the same time, you guys were being fucking drafted. Yeah, yeah, 196 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't. There's so many different things that are happening 197 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: in the late sixties, yeah, that it's hard to keep 198 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: them all in your head at once and hard to 199 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: realize that they're all absolutely part of each other. Right, 200 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: And like you have the young Patriots with their Confederate 201 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: battle flag, which it only makes sense as a like 202 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: fuck you to Northerners, right, I mean it does not. 203 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: I am not advocating that anyone call themselves patriots or 204 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: fly Yeah the American either the North or the South 205 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: flag not a good idea, but like yeah, yeah, And 206 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: and so they they meet up, right and they're talking 207 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: about anti warship with the Panthers, and from then on, 208 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: while they continue to fight for white working class, the 209 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: white working class, they almost never appear in public to 210 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: speak without Panthers or Young Lords around to support them 211 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: and to show interracial solidarity. And I suspect that this 212 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: was like specifically a move if you're a white organizer 213 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: to be like, it's a little bit weird because it's 214 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: a little bit tokenizing, but it's also a way of 215 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: being like, you need to know we are not organizing 216 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: white people in contrast and against people of color, you know, 217 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And let's see some of 218 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: the shit they did by nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy. 219 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip ahead for them just because I'm doing 220 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: a little side on the Young Patriots. They're taking pages 221 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: out of the Panther playbook. They organized free breakfast programs, 222 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: they ran medical clinics, they organized clothing drives, they cop watched, 223 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: and one of the main things that they did that 224 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: they got remembered for is they took patient advocacy. And 225 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: this is gonna time to Young Lords later too. They 226 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: took patient advocacy seriously, people who had to go to 227 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: the doctor in the communities at this like street gang 228 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: of socialists, like we're taking care of They would get 229 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: a Patriot at their door to advocate for them and 230 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: to come with them to their appointments and shit, whoa 231 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: yeah incredible. Yeah, you're like trying to be a shitty 232 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: classist doctor. And there's this like angry hillbilly is just 233 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: like yeah, socialists just like you're gonna you're gonna treat 234 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: them right. Yeah. Wow, especially for like older folks are 235 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: just like I mean, that's something I always I always 236 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: knew about like the Young Lords at least was this 237 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: like yeah, like very much connection with like older generation, 238 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, totally. And a lot of medical work that 239 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: is like a huge things particularly in New York, are 240 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: going to do. We're gonna be talking about mostly next week. Yeah. 241 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: They ran a medical clinic, the Young Patriots. They ran 242 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: a medical clinic. This ends up the most famous of 243 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: all their activities. It started off serving one hundred and 244 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: fifty people at dental and medical care. Cops fucked with 245 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: it constantly. They arrested Patriots for trespassing on their own property. Like. 246 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: They fought it all in court. It took forever. Eventually 247 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: they won and their clinic was back open and it 248 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: served two thousand people for years, four years. It kept 249 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: it up until nineteen seventy three. The Feds fucked with them, basically, 250 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: and it also fucked with all of the churches that 251 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: supported both them and the Young Lords, and the whole 252 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: thing fell apart because of federal oppression. And anyone who's 253 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: curious can listen to probably last week by the time 254 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: you'all are listening to this episode about the religious radicals 255 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: and the movement of pacifists that brought down Cointelpro, or 256 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: at least revealed it. Yeah, they're cool. There was a 257 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: I went to the Bronx Museum years ago when I 258 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: was first learning about the Young Lords because there was 259 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: a big exhibit about them, and one wall was just 260 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: printed out papers of like Cointeal Pro find things. Yeah, 261 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: that makes out all of them and just like phone recordings, 262 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: just like spying on people, just like covered an entire wall, 263 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: which is like a whole other like we're talking about. 264 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: The draft is a big part of the background of this. 265 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: It's like constant infiltration, constant more than just infiltration and monitoring, 266 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: constant fucking with right, you know. Yeah, and so yeah, 267 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: that's the Young Lords. Sorry, that's the Young Patriots, and 268 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: that's the Rainbow Coalition. Yeah, the Young Lords, the Black Panthers, 269 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: the Young Patriots. And then there's another whitish group called 270 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: Rising Up Angry, who are some of the more radical 271 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: trunks of the Students for Democratic Society, who are mostly 272 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: working class greasers from union families. Cool, I know, like 273 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: I want them to show up on scooters or so 274 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: at any I don't know shit about racers. They look 275 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: cool and I'm not. And it's funny because I'm not. Again, 276 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: I haven't like Covered Black Panthers deeply, but for anyone 277 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: who doesn't have a basic understanding, they're a black power 278 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: organization that I'm certain we'll talk about more or later. 279 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: They scared the ever living fuck out of the US government. 280 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: They were violently repressed through direct application of force and 281 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: through co intel. Pro Black Panthers were into black power, 282 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: by which I mean a declaration of self determination for 283 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: black people, and it included such ideas as to quote 284 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: quote from this book The Young Lords by Johanna Fernandez, 285 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: which is the main source, the best book that I'm 286 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: able to find about the Young Lords, she says that 287 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: black Panther. Black power is quote, the right to arm 288 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: self defense against white racist violence, black pride, and the 289 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: development of independent black political leadership free from pressures to 290 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: accommodate the interests of northern white liberals. That's the Rainbow Coalition. 291 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk more about the Lords. By nineteen sixty nine, 292 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: the Young Lords had their own newspaper which covered all 293 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: the protests they were up to. It talked about imperialism, 294 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: it talked about what connected, It connected everything to what 295 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: was happening in Puerto Rico to what was happening in 296 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: Vietnam and Africa, and had kind of an unoriginal name 297 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: was called y l O or Young Lord's Organization. It's 298 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: still the point, you know. Yeah, I bet it had 299 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: great graphic design, I think so. I know the New 300 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: York one. Did I know more about the New York one, 301 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: which is named after one of your songs, But we'll 302 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: talk about that later. Oh yeah. The paper covered a 303 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: ton of stuff, including what was going on and their 304 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: sisters struggles like the Panthers. It had a Pig of 305 00:17:53,720 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: the Month feature covering a local coup. Incredible. Um, I 306 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: can't figure out why the cops get sucking with him? 307 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: But you know whatever, Wow, And they were all organizing, 308 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: and there were other organizations they were buds with, like LADDO, 309 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: the Latin American Defense Organization, and so they provided security 310 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: for for LADDO. It didn't they didn't just like perfectly 311 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: overnight stop being they're doing usual gang shit. It took 312 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: a while, but their connections in the gang world were 313 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: really useful to them. One of their own was killed 314 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: by a cop at a birthday party. I can't remember 315 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: the details, but he like like walks out on the 316 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: walks out of the house and cops murder him. Right. 317 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: The cop was acquitted. This is going to be shocking 318 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: to anyone living in twenty twenty three. A cop got 319 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: away with murdering someone. Um, because so much has changed since. 320 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Oh god, that's depressing sarcasm. The cop was acquitted. There's 321 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: a march of thousands, including members of a ton of 322 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: other gangs with names like the Cannibals and the hell Stumpers, 323 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: and this gang that was Irish, Black and Puerto Rican 324 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: called the Almighty Harrison Gentz. Who I believe we're still around? 325 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? And I can't like again, I'm not like, 326 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: I try doing more research about the almighty Harrison Jensen. 327 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: It's like I don't have enough context to make useful 328 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: declarations about what gangs are up to. I'm not trying to. Yeah, yeah, 329 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: the Young Lords are an example of gangs do good 330 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: many times, you know, but power power structures are complicated, 331 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: you know. And this gang unity at this march scared 332 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: the ever loving piss out of the cops. And I 333 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: don't know if this is like where the Warriors comes from, right, 334 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: but like, oh it's true, but the whole like there's 335 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: more of us than there are cops, can you dig it? 336 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: Thing like this is what fucking scares like when the 337 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: working class realizes that they not only do we have 338 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the numbers, but we even literally already sometimes have the organizations, 339 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: the fighting spirit if it could be pointed in the 340 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: right direction. Yeah, as united it didn't last, But what 341 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: does last is the cuteness of baby elephants bathing themselves 342 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: our sponsor, our sponsor. Yeah, and anything that you hear 343 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: during this ad break that isn't about baby elephants was 344 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: a mistake and you should write to complain to Sophie 345 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: on Twitter because she loves to hear about how the 346 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: ads suck and you should tell her, or you can 347 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: just press the forward fifteen seconds button a couple of times. 348 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: It's up to you your choice. Here's some ads, so 349 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: we're back. I, for one, particularly enjoyed the one where 350 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: it was four baby elephants and they were bathing each other. 351 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: That was the best of the ads that I what 352 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: was your favorite of the ads that we just listened 353 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: to that we're all about baby elephants. You know, I 354 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: always love when a mom walks in and starts teaching 355 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: the ways of elephant nature. That's like one of things 356 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: surefire way to make me cry. Yeah, that was that 357 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: may have been the best of the ads that you 358 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: all just listened to. Yeah, yeah, maybe really. I hope 359 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: that some day we can just have well, I guess 360 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: it's not a visual medium, all right, so young I 361 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: was so stoked that wasn't a visual medium. By the way, 362 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: anything to not be perceived, Yeah, I understand. Trans Day 363 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: of Visibility was the other day. I used a picture 364 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: from two years ago because I was like, I'm not 365 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: fucking brushing my hair this like, God, makeup that you 366 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: mother Parker. Absolutely, Yeah, trans day of talking to a microphone, 367 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: Queer Day of Yeah, microphones are great hiding be observed 368 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: by non strangers. That's always my favorite. But what was 369 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: very visible was the May fourteenth, nineteen sixty nine, occupation 370 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: of the McCormick Theological Seminary by the Young Lords in Chicago. 371 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: This will not be the first time the Young Lords 372 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: the last time that the Young Lords take over at 373 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: church basically just spontaneously during one of the marshes for 374 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: their dead friend. The McCormick Theological Seminary is part of 375 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: this urban renewal campaign to bulldoze everyone's houses and so 376 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: people that like that, And I don't know if it's 377 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: actually related, but I think it's really cute that the 378 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: other main story I've talked on the show that takes 379 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: place in Chicago also centers around a McCormick. It was 380 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: the McCormick factory in eighteen eighty six that gave us 381 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: the strike that led to the Haymarket affair, which we 382 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: talked about in our first ever episode, when immigrant anarchists 383 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: faced down the Chicago police and someone huked a bomb 384 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: at them and lots of bad stuff happened. But if 385 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: you want to hear about nineteenth century labor organizing, go 386 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: back to our very first episode and you can hear 387 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: about that. It's all part of the fight for the 388 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: eight hour work day, which included bombs and guns. Anyway, 389 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: back in nineteen sixty nine, when they occupied the McCormick 390 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Seminary Factory, no theological seminary instead of the McCormick Harvester Factory, 391 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of the seminary students joined in, Oh wow, yeah, 392 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: Like this is a thing that comes up a bunch 393 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: is that people, I don't know, people are more radical 394 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: than we give them credit for, like random bystanders sometimes 395 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, not always sometimes by centers. The university conceded 396 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: to most of their demands, which included shit like when 397 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: you rebuild, you'd better include parks and affordable housing and 398 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: a daycare center and a Puerto Rican cultural center and 399 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: a people's law office. Next, they went on to occupy 400 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: Armitage Avenue Methodist Church, where they'd been meeting, which declined 401 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: them took They basically went, We're like, hey, we meet here, 402 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: can we rent space to do childcare and free food programs? 403 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: And the Methodist Church was like no, And so they're like, 404 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: we can do it anyway, though, and when they did it, anyway, 405 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: the minister joined them and was like yeah, no, I 406 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: mean I wanted you to be able to do it, damn. 407 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: And the church turned into a center for social services, 408 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: including a free clinic. I just they just did so 409 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: much shit. We're like, we're not even halfway. Yeah, And 410 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: also just like pushing people to live by their ideals. 411 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: Like also, it's like they're pushing the church to be 412 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: like this is what you guys are talking about, like 413 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: helping children and people who need help. So it's also 414 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: kind of like trusting. It's giving them the opportunity of 415 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: being like, so just join us and live by your ideals. Yeah, 416 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: you know yeah, And I think that's what a lot 417 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: of radicals did is they just went up and they're like, yoh, 418 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: you want to do the thing that you say you 419 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: want to do, And a ton of them were like yeah, 420 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: I want to do that, and a ton of and 421 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: we're like, no, I just prefer having a position of 422 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: power within a structure and using it to make my 423 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: life sense. And that is that's religion. It's both of 424 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: those things, you know. Yeah, yeah, okay, But for this 425 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: next part, we're going to go to a different part 426 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: of the country. Have you ever heard of a city 427 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: called New York City. I've been there. Oh okay, okay, 428 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: that's where that's where I was born. As a very 429 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: unoriginal name, I'll just say. But first it was Dutch 430 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: and it was New Amsterdam. Just I like doing my 431 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: little weird history zoom outs on different places. It was 432 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: Dutch and it was New Amsterdam. And then the English 433 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: grabbed it from the Dutch and gave it to the 434 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: Duke of York, so it became New York. The state 435 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: is named after the city. Then the Dutch grabbed it 436 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: back and named it New Orange. Then England. No exactly, 437 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: this is my theory. The English got it back, thank god, 438 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: and changed it to New York. Very rarely am I 439 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: excited when the English take things. But could you imagine 440 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: an alternate world where New York was named New Orange. 441 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: I think New York City would not be an important place. 442 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, although like oranges are great, yes, but it 443 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: doesn't have to say it's definitely not like a tough name. 444 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: You can't be like from New Orange. You know, it 445 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have the same no they I think New Work 446 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: would be the center of culture of the United States 447 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: of America instead of New York Wow, because it's a 448 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: nicer than New Orange. Yeah. So New York City fine place. 449 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: I actually really like New York City for as much 450 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: as I'm like totally a country mouse right now, New 451 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: York is fucking amazing. Yeah. If you're going to do 452 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: a city, it's like you might as well go to 453 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, you might as well be, like be 454 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: a fucking city. Yeah, totally yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 455 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: I get the advantage of cities where everyone still has 456 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: single family homes crammed full of too many people and 457 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: you can get nice food around the corner, but those 458 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: ones you have to drive around. Yeah. Yeah. Being a 459 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: New Yorker, that definitely is not a part of my experience. 460 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm terrible driver. Yeah, so I'm stuck in places that 461 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: I can bike around. Yeah, which is why you know 462 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: when Horry for the Refraff comes to town, because the 463 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: tour bus is crashed into the venue every single time 464 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: you get a new tour bus every time, it's your 465 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: like rock and roll thing. Instead of setting a start away. Yeah, 466 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: so New York City. The Young Lords start up in 467 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: New York City too, and this crew starts with very 468 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: different routes. Well, it gets presented as very different routes. 469 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: But I don't want to pitch this because the Chicago 470 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: branch was started by preteens looking to fight back against 471 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: local white bullies and racists, and they wound up socialists 472 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: and communists and shiit through that work. The New York 473 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: branch got started by radical political organizers, mostly communists and socialists, okay, 474 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: who came out of the gate with that revolution stuff. Right. 475 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: Most of them were college students, but they were college 476 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: students from poor neighborhoods. Many of them the first of 477 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: their families to go to college. Most of them were 478 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican, though at least one was person was black, 479 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: and not Puerto Rican black, but African American black. Okay. 480 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: And and is this thing where it's like people talk 481 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: about like the first and their family go to college, 482 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: as if it's the sort of like kind of upward 483 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: mobility American dream like liberally thing or something. But that's 484 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: it's not a lala la American dream thing. And I 485 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: don't know if it always is, but it certainly isn't 486 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: in this case. Some of the founders of the New 487 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: York Young Lords were the first wave of people integrating 488 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: school systems and they grew They grew up fighting with 489 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: their fists and community organization against racist abuse from fellow students, 490 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: from teachers, and from police. They had to fight all 491 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: of those people. So I would argue that even though 492 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: they're the college educated communists, they're not actually that different 493 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: from the Chicago Lords in the end in terms of 494 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: their roots. Yeah. Yeah. In nineteen sixty nine, they heard 495 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: about the Young Lords through the Black Panthers. They the 496 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: Black Panthers had an interview with Cha Cha in their newspaper. 497 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: In it, Chasha was saying that they were a class 498 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: forward anti imperialist organization and that was something that they 499 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: were in a particularly good place to understand as Puerto Ricans. 500 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: Chasha said, quote, we have all kinds of people, a 501 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: rainbow of people among Puerto Ricans, and that's why this 502 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: is a class struggle. So these aspiring New York Lords 503 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: they take a road trip to Chicago and they met 504 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: the Young Lords organization and they were like, yeah, this 505 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: is what's up, Like, all right, we're gonna start the 506 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: New York chapter and the Chicago chapters. Like great, I 507 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: guess we're the Chicago chapter instead of just the Young Lords. 508 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: You know, whoa very exciting yeah. And their arrival in 509 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: New York City was specifically really well timed because the 510 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: radical scene was in trouble because of the Panther twenty 511 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: one frame up, frame up. And I've talked about it 512 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: like really briefly on the show, and I'm going to 513 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: talk about it really briefly again because but still haven't 514 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: dived into it. Twenty one Black Panthers had just been 515 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: arrested in New York City. They had been accused of 516 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: bombing and sniping, of planning to bomb and snipe cop 517 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: stations everyone knows as a frame up, and as a result, 518 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: the police had an even worse reputation than usual in 519 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: New York. Everyone was found not guilty at trial in 520 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, in the most expensive and longest trial 521 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: in New York's history to that point. Under oath that 522 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: shitty infiltrators admitted that the violence had been their ideas basically, 523 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: and Affini Shakur Tupac, Shakur's mother was one of the defendants. 524 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: She got the undercovers to admit under oath that they 525 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: had betrayed their own community. And if you want to 526 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: hear more about her, I like doing my little like 527 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: connections to other episodes. In the Stonewall episode, we can 528 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: hear more about her because she's one of the Stonewall 529 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: rioters because the jail she was in the women's House 530 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: of Detention was across the street from the Stonewall in 531 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: and they all rioted in solidarity with the queers outside, 532 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: and or we're all trying to escape and or were 533 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of queers themselves. Yeah wait, this is two 534 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: buck small. Yeah whoa gay woman who rioted for Stonewall 535 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: from inside the jail that was on the same street 536 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: as Stonewall. Damn No, I had no idea. I didn't 537 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: either until I was working on the Stonewall episode and 538 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: my friend Hugh Ryan has been a guest before, was like, 539 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: you need to make sure to include the House of 540 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: Detention in it. I was like, I had never even 541 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: heard no idea that part of the rioters were prisoners, 542 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of people I haven't, but I guess 543 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: I haven't spoken about people who are often invisibilized, but 544 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: prisoners often invisiblized and struggle. So this is the backdrop 545 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: for the young lords. Because the police are on their 546 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: back foot, they're just they've just been deeply embarrassed. They're 547 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: not as set up to cope with this new threat. 548 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: But at the same time, the Black Panthers in the 549 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: New York can actually kind of across the US by this, 550 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: but are really fucked right and are like not as 551 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: well organized anymore because they've just taken this massive blow. 552 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: So enter the Young Lords. Some of the founding members 553 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: were Black Americans, and we talked about this earlier, and 554 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: you had some good say about there's been tension between 555 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: black and Puerto Rican communities in New York. There was 556 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: a but there's also a decades long history of solidarity, 557 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: especially around instances of police murder, such as in nineteen 558 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: sixty four. You have the Harlem Riots, which are remembered 559 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: as the nineteen sixty four Harlem Riots, which is a 560 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: terrible name for them. Not well, okay, this is too 561 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: long for a name, but it's a more descriptive name. 562 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: When a white off duty cop murdered a fifteen year 563 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: old black kid named James Powell, and people were justifiably 564 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: upset by this. I think it's a Before he was killed, 565 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: James Powell was part of a small group of black 566 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: and Puerto Rican students who were being harassed and attacked 567 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: for congregating near a school, and during one fifteenth month, 568 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: during one fifteen month period ending in early nineteen sixty five, 569 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: the NYPDA killed nine Puerto Rican children. Wow, because the 570 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: police are not an institution that is a positive force 571 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: in our society, I'll just go with that. But don't worry. 572 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: White people had solidarity too with the cops. Oh god, 573 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: when the mayor tried to pass a really lackluster police 574 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: review board. I think after this killing, I can't remember, 575 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: but four thousand signatures against a really lackluster police review 576 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: board were gathered. The white conservatives went all out on 577 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: this campaign in order to stop a civilian review board 578 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: of the fucking police. Oh my god, because nothing ever changes. 579 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: They founded the totally legitimate grassroots organization called Citizens Committee 580 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: Against Civilian Review Boards, which had a total of three 581 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy billboards, twenty storefronts, and thousands of people 582 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: door to door canvassing. They advertised in newspapers, TV, radio, 583 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: and the ads would feature like pictures of black and 584 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: brown teenagers with switchblades and scared white women holy shit, yeah, 585 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: it's fucked up. Yeah, And it worked at that point too. 586 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: That's like a high tech, like fucking media campaign I 587 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: know at that at that time period. Honestly, like I 588 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: haven't seen yeah, like yeah, like storefronts. I guess that 589 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: must have been actually how you did it before there 590 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: was other more media or whatever. But twenty storefronts where 591 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: you could go in and I guess like organize and 592 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: learn against the police being overseen by the people who 593 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: live in the city. God, Like, it wasn't even like 594 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: some like a cab campaign, you know, Like no, just 595 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: like we're checking in yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, exactly, Like 596 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: it's like body cams. That's one of these things where 597 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I guess that's good in the abstract, 598 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: but like it's not. It doesn't stop the things, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 599 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: So this is the this is the New York that 600 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 1: the Young Lords start in, right, the white people are 601 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: being real racist and defending the cops. The cops are 602 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: being real racist and killing the Puerto Rican children and 603 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: black kids. And the youngest of these founding Lords in 604 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: New York was fourteen. Most of them were college age 605 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: um but the fourteen year old joined as part of 606 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: an arts program that helped found the New York City 607 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: chapter that was like one of the groups that did it. 608 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: The founding was an arts arts group. The least cool 609 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: of the founding lords was a guy named Roy Penya, 610 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: and he was the least cool because he was an 611 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: undercover cop. Oh right from the beginning. Wow. Their first 612 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: public appearance was if you want to pick one place 613 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: in New York City where you think maybe some like 614 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: radicals met up. I'm curious whether this will work or not. 615 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: Just one place. Yeah, I don't know, like a public library, No, 616 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: I would have been a good guess. Tompkins Square Park, Oh, 617 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: my humble beginning. I know, that's often where I call. 618 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: That's my early education. I think when Lynda and I met, 619 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: I was sometimes sleeping in tom Square Park during the 620 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: day because they hadn't found a squad to live in. Yeah, 621 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: they opened it early in the morning. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 622 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: You literally walk around all night, or you go to 623 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: a party and you hang the party all night, and 624 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: then you go to Tompkins Square Park and you go 625 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: to sleep in the park, and that's probably where. Yeah. Yeah, 626 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: did you say look at us now? As always said, 627 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, I said, you take a nice now, yeah, 628 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: I also look at us do. So this is where 629 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: the Young Lords have their first public appearance in New 630 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: York on July twenty six. History. There's one thing that's 631 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: cool about New York City is you can be like, oh, 632 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: on the following street and you're like, oh, like a 633 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: lot of things happened there, you know. Yeah. Yeah. On 634 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: July twenty six, nineteen sixty nine, there was a commemoration 635 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: of the Cuban Revolution organized by a ton of New 636 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: York City left us and the Young Lords. And the 637 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: Young Lords showed up in purple bretz berets, breys and 638 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: black fatigues. Breads would be cute, though maybe they had 639 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: purple breads. And they had their banner a Cuban flag 640 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: with an AK forty seven superimposed. They're not subtle at all. 641 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: Their chairman is a poet who spent some time in 642 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 1: prison and came out a community organizer. And his name 643 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: is Philip Luciano, a real gee. Yeah I've met him before. 644 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: Shit really oh yeah, it was. It was pretty fucking cool. Yeah. 645 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: He gave a speech in Tompkins Square Park in July 646 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: twenty six, nineteen sixty nine. And this is their first appearance. 647 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: Their first action came out not long after, and they 648 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: called it, well, I'm not gonna tell you what they 649 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: called it, because it wasn't called products and services. But 650 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: that's where we're gonna cut to you right now. It's 651 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: products and services because I don't have usually just to 652 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: tell everyone how the show runs. Basically, Sophie is like, 653 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: do a fucking had transition? What the fuck? That's um? 654 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: And here we are without Sophie lost in the wilderness, 655 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: are fearless leader dud the curse that I brought upon 656 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, we've been things keep happening to all 657 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: of us, all of them. Anywhere I had the script, 658 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: I was like, and it's our second four partner. It's 659 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: because today I had to go through and change it 660 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: to be our second four partner because this is going 661 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: to be the first four partner. But we've had to 662 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: delay multiple times this recording because of courses that we 663 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: won't talk too much about. But yeah, yeah, but yeah, 664 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: speaking of cursed objects, buy some gold with reagans based 665 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: on it. That'll make you happy, healthier, younger, more attractive, 666 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: clear sem Absolutely nothing says smart financial decisions, like what 667 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: if we got a crypto ad. Anyway, here's some ads 668 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: and Rebecca and so far I Heart Radio is kick 669 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: us off. They're talking shit on all their advertisers. We'll 670 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: see how long. Yeah. It's like I always worry that 671 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm just doing the thing where it's like by talking 672 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: shit on them, I'm just like being edgy and then 673 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: like making them like more appealing or whatever. I just 674 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: leaping to fucking feed my dog. Yeah. Like anyway, their 675 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: first action, the Young Lords, it's not long after their 676 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: appearance in nineteen sixty nine. They call it the Garbage Offensive. 677 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: And this is a reference. Yeah, this is like they 678 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: do a lot of really cool shit. Fuck yeah cool. 679 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: It's a reference the Tet Offensive and when the Vietcong 680 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: turned some shit around a year earlier in the Vietnam War. 681 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: So to tie it all into like we hate America 682 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: and the Imperial government, you know. The the first thing 683 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: they did, it was actually just one around fucking talk 684 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: to people. They walked around East Harlem, it's their own neighborhoods, 685 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: and they ask people was wrong, what was on their minds? Like, 686 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: and they decided that the first thing they should do 687 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: was something about all the garbage that wasn't getting picked up. 688 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: There's there were mountains of garbage at the time, whole 689 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: abandoned buildings full of garbage, sidewalks full of garbage. And 690 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: this is because a bunch of complicated reasons, but mostly 691 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: just classism and racism. The like people didn't the garbage 692 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: collectors just would ignore those neighborhoods. They didn't bother putting 693 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 1: in enough garbage cans at the time, they didn't even 694 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: use garbage bags and the garbage cans, so the whole 695 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: garbage can to get picked up, and so garbage goes everywhere. 696 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: And lots of reasons, but classism and racism at the 697 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: core of it. So they go to the sanitation department. 698 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: They try. I love how radicals like, You're always like 699 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: they just started off blowing people up, and you're like, no, 700 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: they started off by They went to the sanitation department 701 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: and were like, can we have some trash bags and brooms? 702 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: And the Senate Sanitation department said, well, what if we 703 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: give you a bunch of racial slur instead. Wow, really 704 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,439 Speaker 1: throwing them a curveball. I know, can you just give 705 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: us some bags and brooms so you can clean our 706 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: neighborhood And they're like, no, we're gonna yell racist shit 707 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: at you because we're a bunch of racists. Yeah. People, 708 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: I feel like white people sometimes think that racism is 709 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: more subtle than it is, you know. Yeah, So they 710 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: stole a bunch of brooms from them getting called racist shit. 711 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: That's as best as I could tell either way. About 712 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: thirty five young lords started literally just keeping the streets 713 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: of East Harlem clean while wearing their uniforms every Sunday. 714 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: But this wasn't quite the This is like worth trying, 715 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: but this still wasn't quite the move. They couldn't single 716 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: handedly do it. There's just thirty five of them, and 717 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: it's just sort of volunteerism. Doing that work put them 718 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: in the public eye, and they put them in conversation 719 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: with people who mostly assumed they were there with the 720 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: government or some church. Okay, they got some cruits, but 721 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: they didn't get a mass of them, and it also 722 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: didn't clean the streets. It wasn't enough. So they stepped 723 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: it up to doing the thing that's the epic thing. Yeah, 724 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: they gathered a ton of trash. If you have any 725 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: like versions of the story, I'll love to hear them 726 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: because it's, like I know about this from books. You know. 727 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: They gathered yeah, yeah, fair enough, Okay, they gathered a 728 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: ton of trash from empty lots, including old mattresses and 729 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: couches and such, took it over to Third Avenue, which 730 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: is a you know avenue that was used by the 731 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: rich to move across Manhattan, and dumped it into the street. 732 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: And then they did this a bunch on various thoroughfares, 733 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,720 Speaker 1: just over and over again. They did it daily for months. 734 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: Thank god, I didn't know that. Oh yes, we've heard 735 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 1: like the lore as if it was like this one event, 736 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 1: which of course it wasn't. Yeh, think about it. There 737 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: is one that is the one event, but all of 738 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: this happens first to build up to it, right, Okay, um, yeah, 739 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: for months, they just dumped trash daily in the middle 740 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: of fucking Third alf or any other avenue that like 741 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: law abiding white people or whatever you use, like inconvenience 742 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: as rich people. Basically, yeah, and this is a more 743 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: effective tactic than the volunteerism on almost every metric. The 744 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: city was forced to deal with the garbage because it 745 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: was blocking the streets that white people used. Hundreds of 746 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: people started joining in, creating the kind of spaces where 747 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: people get to know each other and hang out because 748 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: the social fabric has been disrupted. Yeah, and the young 749 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: lords would lead tempt impromptu discussions and let people air 750 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: out their grievances and these like temporary autonomous zones that 751 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: were being created. Wow. And then when the cops came, 752 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: they just take off their berets and take off and 753 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: running and they never got caught. Plus, the other important 754 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 1: metric with to judge actions is did you get to 755 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: build barricades in the middle of the street, And the 756 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: answer was yes, and it's always fun. On August seventeenth, 757 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, they figured out how to have even 758 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: more fun. What do you think is better than a 759 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: barricade in the middle of a street setting the barricade 760 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: on fire? Yes, exactly. So they called for a mass action. 761 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: Loads of people did this particular garbage action and then 762 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: somehow it's spontaneously caught fire after some people from the 763 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: neighborhood poured gas hut and lit it with a match. Damn, 764 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: And the whole next day there's a six block radius 765 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: of East Harlem that was barricaded and people were partying. 766 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: And it's interesting too, right, because you have this, like 767 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: the riots are like trashing their neighborhoods, like blah blah 768 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blahing. Yeah, one of the things they were 769 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: doing is flipping over cars. And the thing is they 770 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: were flipping over all the abandoned cars because the city 771 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: used to have no means in place to deal with 772 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: abandoned cars, so they just would wind up in poor neighborhoods. Yeah, yeah, 773 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 1: totally and be like, well, let the fucking poor brown 774 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: people deal with it, fuck them, you know. Yeah. So 775 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: they were like, all right, let's flip over all these 776 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: fucking abandoned cars that got abandoned here, you know. And 777 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: so the cops declared it a riot even though it 778 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: seems like a block party to me, and they sent helicopters. Meanwhile, 779 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: the young Lords are giving talks about how to tie 780 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: sanitation issues into larger systemic problems. They had a press 781 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: release with a list of demands, which included stuff like, 782 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: put these are wild demands, these are absolute terrorists. Put 783 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: trash cans on our streets and pick up the trash, 784 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: and not have only white sanitation workers, and also give 785 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: the sanitation workers a raise. Yeah they're cool. Yeah, and 786 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: also no more of this weird ship where for a while, 787 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: in order to get your trash picked up you had 788 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: to bribe the workers. Oh wow, so that was their demands. 789 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,439 Speaker 1: May I chime in and is this when Fon Gonzalez 790 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: was the press secretary? Oh I don't know. I kind 791 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: of like weirdly didn't go names on a lot of this, 792 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: So please tell me, Well, Huang Gonzalez of Democracy now 793 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: was I know they're they're like head of press, like 794 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: was the person that spoke to the press. So I'm 795 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: wondering if he was around for this action or if 796 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: it was later on. You know, it's funny is because 797 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: of all the delays. I wrote this script several months ago, 798 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: and I don't remember whether he's someone that someone told 799 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: me about after I finished the script or if he's 800 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: in here. So there's a chance because I do talk 801 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: about some of the press stuff a little bit later 802 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: the answers, I don't know. Yeah, he was there for 803 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: like the big like famous stuff that we're going to 804 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: get too as well. Yeah cool, yeah, but just incredible 805 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: that they had like this organization and they were like, 806 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: all right, we have our demands. They were also like 807 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: very bold but also very reasonable. Like yeah, not even 808 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: reasonable and just like, oh you're being reasonable, you're not 809 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: asking for the oppressive forces, like for too much stuff. 810 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,399 Speaker 1: It's just like this would make our lives better. And 811 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: also it's bold, yeah, totally yeah, the radical demand of 812 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: what if there were garbage cans on the street and 813 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: then the garbage character picker like took it out? No it, 814 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. And the fact that 815 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,439 Speaker 1: it's a radical demand just shows us so much about 816 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: what's happening, you know, the all white sanitation workers. It's 817 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: actually this funny conflict, like I have a generally positive 818 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: impression of unions, right, but unions are not always inherently 819 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,959 Speaker 1: good or often do bad things. And in this case 820 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,879 Speaker 1: it was the Italian American Sanitation Union, which was very 821 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: racist and was like holding control over who got to 822 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: be a garbageman or sanitation worker. They didn't win most 823 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: of their demands in this particular go of it, but 824 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 1: they won nonetheless. They won in two ways. First, they 825 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: showed themselves in other people that collective direct action is 826 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: an incredibly effective method of accomplishing change. They got rid 827 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: of a ton of trash because they fucking just got 828 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,719 Speaker 1: rid of it. And two they fundamentally changed how sanitation 829 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: worked in New York City. Wow. Sanitation became a hot 830 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,839 Speaker 1: topic issue in the mayoral race which was happening that year, 831 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 1: and so each side was one up in the other 832 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: about how they were going to get the trash pickup 833 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: to be good in the city. Interesting, and the city 834 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: changed how it did trash. This is when they started 835 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: putting plastic bags into the trash cans, and dumping schedules 836 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: were changed, mechanics were put on standby to fix trucks. 837 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: In three years, the city went from meeting seventy seven 838 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: percent of its trash pickup per day to ninety seven 839 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: point eight percent of the trash pickup per day. Wow, 840 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: that's incredible. Direct action gets the fucking goods, Like seriously, 841 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: and not to mention like what I've said before about 842 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: like reaching out to older generations, like well, from what 843 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: I've read about this event, a major thing was that 844 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: older folks were like, we ust you because you're actually 845 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: listening to us, you know. Yeah, And it became a 846 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: thing of like we we believe that you young, you know, 847 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: like radical kids are actually caring about what we want 848 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: as well. And I just think that's really powerful. Yeah, 849 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: that is such a good point. And the fact that 850 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,879 Speaker 1: the first thing they did was a listening project. They 851 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,839 Speaker 1: were and they were like, yo, what's up. What makes 852 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: your life hard? You know? Yeah? What can we do 853 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: something about? Instead of like, I feel like it's really 854 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: easy as a radical to be like I care about this, 855 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 1: so I'm going to go do this, you know, yeah, 856 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: or I think this should be good for you, you know. Yeah, 857 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 1: that's where it's real bad. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, they won, 858 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: not completely. They changed the face of the city by 859 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 1: a combination of organized and spontaneous direct action, which I 860 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,400 Speaker 1: think also rules right because it wasn't entirely spontaneous. They 861 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: organized that event right like you know. Um, And they 862 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: also tripled or quadrupled size in a matter of weeks 863 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: because they were getting shit fucking done. Damn. And what 864 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: are they going to do with all those people find 865 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:17,440 Speaker 1: out next Monday? That's my cliffhanger. Exciting. Yeah, but what 866 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 1: also people should find out about is you and what 867 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,760 Speaker 1: you've been working on and how people can find you. Well, 868 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: I have a band. I play music, and my band's 869 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 1: called Hurry for the roof Raff and we will be 870 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: on tour the month of May on the West Coast 871 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: and in July, and you can find me on Instagram. 872 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't really I lurk on Twitter and and yeah, 873 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: I'll be around. I just and I'm working on some 874 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: new music. So that's good. Yeah. Okay, Wait, can I 875 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: ask you a question about your music? Yeah? So your 876 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: music has been primarily folk and then you put out 877 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,959 Speaker 1: a song called Hungry Ghosts. Is that it? Oh? Yes, 878 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: did a bunch of people like did all the like 879 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: white hipsters get mad at you over this? None told me? 880 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: Oh no, Now I feel really guilty having brought it up. Ian, 881 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: please cut that entire thing out out? Okay, fine, okay, fine, No, 882 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: I can take it. I can take it. Okay. Um 883 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,920 Speaker 1: there's a dance song that that Alinda has done. It's amazing. 884 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: It's called Hungry ghost and it's this queer love music 885 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: video about being kind of thirsty after a breakup. That's 886 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: the best I can tell. Or maybe that was my 887 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: interpretation because of where interpretation. Yeah, all right, And and 888 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,880 Speaker 1: the comments on YouTube at least when the song came out, 889 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: I don't know what you came out time is No, 890 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: they were mad that you had moved away from folk music. Oh, 891 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: this is my favorite thing. It's my favorite thing. I 892 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: will say mostly I find that is older British gentleman. Yeah, 893 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: so it really makes me happy. Yeah, it's like the 894 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: one time I am a troll. Like I definitely don't. 895 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't really find myself feeling very truly, but when 896 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: it comes to that, I'm very like, yes, okay, yeah, no, 897 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 1: I like it certainly didn't affect your like you know 898 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,839 Speaker 1: that was really fun. Yeah, like people were still very 899 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: excited about your music. But I just had this moment. 900 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, is this the like Bob Dylan 901 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: goes electric moment for at Absolutely no. But now I'm back. 902 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm back to like the like whatever. I'm not definitely 903 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: not in a mainstream music world, but I feel like 904 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 1: the music industry has beaten me down enough that I'm like, 905 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: I just want my me and my guitar are going 906 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: to hit the road. I don't want all this gear 907 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 1: that's legit. Yeah okay, but wait, what's the song about 908 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: to you? I'm the for the listeners who are still listening. 909 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean most of my songs, like especially like kind 910 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 1: of like songs like that. I was I don't know 911 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 1: what I would call like heart not heartbroken song. Well, yeah, 912 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: heartbroken songs actually are about my family d m I okay, 913 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: but a lot of that that song was a lot 914 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: about like running away and being like um and yeah, 915 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: like literally it's not even poetic. It's like I was 916 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: like a ghost to my family, and I was also 917 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,319 Speaker 1: very hungry. Okay, okay, so yeah that is I love. 918 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: I love that breakup interpretation. Yeah no, yeah, it just 919 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: seemed like a thirsty song, like like well, also the video, 920 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,920 Speaker 1: the video that's I think that's yeah, yeah I didn't. 921 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,279 Speaker 1: I didn't pull that out of nowhere. Well, if you 922 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,080 Speaker 1: want to hear more about the Young Lords, you all 923 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,520 Speaker 1: can check in next Monday and next Wednesday when we 924 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: talk even more about all the amazing shit they did, 925 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: because we're just getting started and I will talk to 926 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,400 Speaker 1: you all soon. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is 927 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,320 Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts on 928 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,760 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media, visit our website cool Zonemedia dot com, 929 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 930 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.