1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: we're joined by John Lott, President of the Crime Prevention 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Research Center, to tackle the rising concerns about political violence 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: and assassinations in America. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: Are we entering a dangerous new era? 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Is one political side more prone to violence than the other. 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: We'll also dive into the data and mass shooters, their 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: mental health, and why experts often miss the warning signs 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: despite many already being under psychiatric care. Plus, we'll explore 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: the role of gun free zones and mass shootings, and 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: whether transgender related violence is on the rise. Stay tuned 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: for a really jam packed interview with tons of research 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: and facts with John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center. 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: Well, John Lott, it's great to have you on the show. 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: You know, obviously, particularly in your area of expertise, there's 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: so much disinformation and intention and misinformation. 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: That's out there. I think you know one thing, and you. 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Know, we were talking about this before we got started. 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Obviously we're all just like extremely heavy hearted with what 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: happened to Charlie and just really saying that there's so 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: much evil in the world. And you know, we always 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: knew it was there, but just to have it be 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: that profound, you know, to lose a really good man 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: who uh, you know, we were lucky enough to know 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: who loved this country. 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: Loved his wife, loved his kids, loved God, and yet 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: they killed him, you know. But it really. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: Has led to this conversation that people are having about 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: concerns of just like assassination culture and political violence in 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: the country. 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: Do you see things heading. 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: In a direction where that's more commonplace or or kind 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: of like what are you sing and what are your 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: takeaways and thoughts and just this really heavy hearted few 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: days that we've had here as a country. 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: Right, I guess kind of the response to Charlie's assassination 38 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: has made me very concerned. From the left, you know, 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: you have somebody like Obama, you know, who made comments 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: a few days after the assassination where you start off 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: by saying, you know, we should all have sympathy for, 42 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: you know, a young man who has a family who's 43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: been murdered. But then he goes on and he just 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: repeats these horrible lies about Charlie, just basically you know, 45 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: saying that Charlie was saying that Michelle Obama and Justice 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: Jackson don't have the brain processing power. 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: You know. 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: What he was talking about was that if you have 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: affirmative action and don't judge people on the merits, and 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: you judge them on their skin color, you're going to 51 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: have some people who are going to get through that 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: aren't going to be the brightest people. I don't know 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: how you can argue with that. And it's either true 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: or it's not true. He's not saying everybody who's black 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: or a black woman is stupid. He's not saying anything 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: even remotely similar to that. He's saying that, are we 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: going to have a society based on merit where we're 58 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: going to be sure we're going to get the best 59 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: people to go and do the jobs or whatever. In fact, 60 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: you go and you listen to some of his discussions, 61 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: he says, look, seventy five percent of the NBA is black. 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: Do you think we should limit it to thirteen percent 63 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: because that's black's share of the population. Do you think 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: the quality of a basketball play would improve if we 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: limited blacks to thirteen percent? There obviously not. So he 66 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: was just saying, you're going to when you base decisions 67 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 3: on people's skin color rather than their quality there. You're 68 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: gonna end up making mistakes in terms of not getting 69 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: the best people there, you know, And there are other comments. 70 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just despicable, you know, referring to Charlie 71 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: as being sexist and what have you. You know, I 72 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 3: don't you figure somebody like Obama must understand the false 73 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: claims that were being made by him there, but yet 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: it didn't stop him from from making him and I 75 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: it's you know, and it's not just him. I mean 76 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: you have Jimmy Kimmel who ended up saying, you know 77 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: that this was some right winger that was doing it. 78 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: I mean, this is Monday, the Monday after the Wednesday assassination. 79 00:04:54,279 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: You just had, you know, the governor for Utah was 80 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 3: on all the Sunday talk shows talking about the evidence 81 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: that was there. You'd had news media and other reports 82 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: that have come out describing the individual's views as being 83 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: leftists and being you know, being in a relationship with 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: a trans individual and himself being gay. You know, I 85 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: don't know what the deal is there, but you know, 86 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: it's not just them. I mean you look at kind 87 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 3: of the Anti Defamation League report that's come out basically just. 88 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: To ask you about that, because the left sort of 89 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: seizes on this report like where they say, you know, 90 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: the majority of right winging extremists were responsible for a 91 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: right winging extreme as responsible for the majority of extreme 92 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: as related even more less that gay. 93 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're saying, they're saying that over the three years. 94 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: They make a big deal about this in the report. 95 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: They say, over the three years from twenty twenty two 96 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: to twenty twenty four, all all of the extremist murders 97 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: in the United States were done by right wingers, all 98 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: of them. And you know, it's just crazy. You know. 99 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 3: The thing is, does the media I know I've dealt 100 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: with reporters over the years, ninety eight percent of them 101 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: or ninety nine percent just look at the you know, 102 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: the press release this associated They don't actually look at 103 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: the data. So you have individuals that they don't classify 104 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 3: as having any type of political views or as being 105 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 3: right wingers. 106 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: You have. 107 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: People like the Nashville school shooter. I don't know how 108 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: anybody can read the Nashville school shooter and not classify 109 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: her as a left winger. You know, she go first 110 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: of all, she's trans Okay, she hates Catholics, she hates whites, 111 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: she hates wealthy people, she hate capitalists. Okay, and you know, 112 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, it's just and or you 113 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: have somebody like the Colorado Springs mass murderer. Now he 114 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: shot up a gay nightclub, all right, which is true. 115 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: But and so therefore they say he's anti gay, so 116 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: that automatically makes him right winger. Well, the thing is 117 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: when you actually go and look at this guy. First 118 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: of all, he was trans. Okay, his pronouns were they 119 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: and them. Obviously he didn't feel that the gays were 120 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: properly you know, giving you know, trans their due that 121 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: was there. He apparently may have actually had some personal 122 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: conflict with a gay who was there. But you know, 123 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: I look at this guy and it's like, are we serious? 124 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: We're gonna really classify this guy as a right winger. 125 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Maybe there's a lot of 126 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: trans individuals out there who are right wingers, but I 127 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: guess I just haven't noticed them too much. It's just, 128 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, when you look at other ones that are there, Basically, 129 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: if you're a white supremacist, they assume that you're a 130 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: right winger. Well, you know, there's a number of white 131 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: supremacists in their data set there that the reason why 132 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: the right supremacists is because they're environmentalists. So the Buffalo 133 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: mass murderer at the supermarket in twenty twenty two, they 134 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 3: classify him as a right winger. The guy hated blacks 135 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: because they were having too many kids, and he was 136 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: upset that people who were having kids were damaging the environment. 137 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: You didn't think anybody should have kids, but he was 138 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: particularly upset that blacks were having it. He hated capitalists. 139 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: He blamed capitalists for all the destruction in the environment. 140 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: You know, you have other ones that are there, like 141 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: the Apasso mass murderer. This guy, it's just amazing. This 142 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: guy says that he agreed completely with the New Zealand 143 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: mass murderer. Basically just said you could copy the New 144 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: Zealand mass murderers manifesto and he agreed with it. I 145 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: know the media wanted to classify the New Zealand mosque 146 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: shooter who killed like forty nine people as a right winger. 147 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: I got censored on Twitter and Facebook, got my accounts 148 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: close because I tried to point out you know, if 149 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 3: you actually read the guy's manifesto. His ideal former government 150 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: was communist China. The guy called himself a socialist. He 151 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: was an environmentalist. Also, he was upset that minorities were 152 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: having too much any kids and damaging the environment. Now, 153 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: maybe you know a lot, maybe I'm just very isolated, 154 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: but I don't know a lot of conservatives that are 155 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: upset about people having too many kids, right, and so. 156 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: You know it just h well, I mean you had 157 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: the same week that you know, you had the in 158 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: the same week period of time, you had, like on 159 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: September sixteenth, you had Tyler Robinson in his first court 160 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: appearance in Utah's fourth District Court for where obviously he 161 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: was charged for the assassination of Charlie Kirk and his 162 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: you know facing uh you know, we'll face a hearing 163 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: in a court date for that. 164 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: And then Luigi Mangioni on. 165 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: The same day appeared in the New York State Court 166 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: in Manhattan. And then ongoing you had the Ryan Ruth 167 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: trial for trying to assassinate Donald Trump. 168 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean that's three left. 169 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: Wingers who do not share or views on the world, 170 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: you know, all with court activity around the same exact 171 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: time period. Yet you know they'd try to say that 172 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: it's the right that you know are committing violence. 173 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: Right, Well, we just this last weekend we had this 174 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: guy in Sacramento shoot up the ABC station there, and 175 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 3: the guy, you know, hated Trump. You know, you look 176 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: at these things. You know, the big thing the left 177 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: wants to say is on both sides or it's all 178 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: the right, and they'll point to things like the impact. 179 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 3: The only ones they can point to is like this 180 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: state legislator who was murdered in Minnesota Wells. As Greg 181 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: Guttfeld has correctly pointed out, there was no demonization of 182 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: this woman or her husband by people on the right beforehand. 183 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: You know, nobody knew who she was. This guy who 184 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: murdered her was a complete kook. I mean, but if 185 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: you're going to take him at all seriously in this 186 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: he had No King's flyers, had hundreds of No King 187 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: flyers in his car, because you know, he was the 188 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: left's protest at that time against Trump. He says, you know, 189 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: in his writings that he was murdering her because he 190 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: had a list of other people, but he was doing 191 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: this to help Tim Waltz. Now, I'm not going to 192 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: go and classify this guy because he wants to go 193 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: and help Tim's Waltz as a Democrat. But it's hard 194 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: for me to look at those things and say, yeah, no, 195 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: it was somebody on the right trying to kill somebody 196 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: on the left. I want examples, hey, you know, and 197 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: the thing is just in general, as Erica Kirk was 198 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: pointing out in her talk, where was the violence on 199 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 3: the right after Charlie was killed? You know, after George 200 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 3: Floyd or others that you have there. We have these 201 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: riots that occur all the time, and it just you know, 202 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: I suppose what people point to is like January sixth 203 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: as examples of that. But you know, first of all, 204 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: everybody who did any type of violence there spent long 205 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: periods of times, at least forty two months in prison, 206 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 3: so they were all punished. But you and anybody who 207 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: did violence should have been punished forty two months though, 208 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: I mean that seems like a pretty substantial prison term 209 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: to begin with for that they didn't kill anybody, you know, 210 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: But compared to something like the Lafayette Square riot that 211 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: had occurred in the summer of twenty twenty there where 212 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: you had like one hundred and fifty law enforcement officers 213 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: who were injured, You had people scaling the White House. 214 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: That's the reason why they had to take Trump into 215 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: a secure area because people were trying. You know, they 216 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: talk about insurrections. I don't know, trying to storm the 217 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: White House seems like something of an insurrection. How many 218 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: prosecutions did they have for people that did that? Zero? 219 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: How many people went to prison for that? Zero? And 220 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: you know, you have things going back to the twenty 221 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: seventeen inauguration or the Republican National Convention in twenty twenty 222 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: when they had the thing at the White House there 223 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: and you had people being you had like fifty Trump 224 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: supporters who had to be hospitalized in the twenty seventeen 225 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: inauguration thing. How many prosecutions did you have for that zero? 226 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: How many prosecutions did you have for the people that 227 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: were attacked for the Republican Convention type thing when Trump 228 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: did the talk at the White House? Zero? So it 229 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: just but nobody brings up those types of things. It 230 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: seems to me that there's a real imbalance there. 231 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you know, you had this shooter recently 232 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: at the sky Meadow Country Club in New Hampshire yelling, 233 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, free Palestine. Right, Like, that's not something that 234 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: we subscribe to on the right. You know, I wanted 235 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: to ask you, you know, it seems like there is 236 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: a trend at least you know, maybe it's doesn't you know, 237 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: hold up with the statistics of just transgender related violence. Obviously, 238 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson, or at least for knowledge, was not trans, 239 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: but his roommate and you know reported Lever was transgender. 240 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: What do we know about transgender violence in this country? 241 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 3: Right? So, if you look at all the mass public 242 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: shootings in the United States from twenty eighteen on, about 243 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: five percent of those mass public shootings, So mass public 244 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: shooting is four more people killed in a public place, 245 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: not part of some other type of crime like a 246 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: gang fight over drug turf or a robbery, they make 247 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: about they make up five percent. The thing is you 248 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,479 Speaker 3: have to compare it to their share of the population. 249 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: If you take kind of the average of several polls 250 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: from the government and the Gallop and whatever, you get 251 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: about seven point three percent of the population. And that's 252 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: probably a high because that's kind of more of that 253 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: is kind of weighted towards more recently that they've been 254 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: asking whole questions on that, and so you know, you're 255 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: talking about their share of these attacks. It's about seven 256 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: times their share of the population. You know, that's pretty 257 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: far out there. Now, you know, we're not talking about 258 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: a huge number of cases, but there's a number of 259 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: other cases where they weren't as successful fortunately, you know, 260 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: like the Minneapolis case that we just had where the 261 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: person succeeded in murdering two people wounding seventeen others that 262 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: were there. But look, to me, it's not particularly surprising 263 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: that they're involved in these cases at high rates because 264 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 3: one thing, if anybody, if you read the diaries of 265 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: manifestos for these murderers, what you see is a very 266 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: consistent pattern. You find people who are suicidal, who feel unappreciated, 267 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: who feel put upon in some way. Those are if 268 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 3: you read the diaries of manifestos for the Nashville school shooter, 269 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: or the or the Colorado's Spring shooter, or the guy 270 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 3: in Minneapolis or some of these others of Maryland and 271 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: other places, they all fit that they're all depressed, they're 272 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: very suicidal. They feel, you know, either that there's some 273 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: genocide against trans individuals that are there, or that they 274 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 3: feel that they've been put upon in some way, and 275 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: they want to get attention. These guys check all those boxes. 276 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: And what you find is with these guys, these mass 277 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 3: public shooters generally is they're suicidal. They want to get attention. 278 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: They know the more people they kill, the more media 279 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: attention that they're going to get, and so they go 280 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 3: to places where they know their victims aren't going to 281 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: be able to go and defend themselves. Gun free zones, 282 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: and they explicitly state that they're going to these gun 283 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: free zones because they may be crazy, but they're not stupid. 284 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 3: They know if they go to a place like that, 285 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: they're going to be able to kill more people and 286 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: get more media attention. The Minneapolis mass murder fit all 287 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 3: those boxes, the Nashville shooter fit all those boxes, and 288 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 3: the you know, you look at these individuals and where 289 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 3: they pick it. I have to tell you it's one 290 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: of my biggest pet peeves with media bias because the 291 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 3: media will go and talk about the diaries of manifestos 292 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: for these individuals, but they just always completely refuse to 293 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: go and talk about why these guys pick the targets 294 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 3: that they do. I would think that would be newsworthy. 295 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: One percentage of these shootings take place in gunfree zones. 296 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: Well, you find about ninety two percent of them do. 297 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: And on our website we have literally statements from dozens 298 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 3: of these mass public shooters where they explicitly explain why 299 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 3: they picked the target. The guy in Minneapolis, for example, 300 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: he had a long discussion about it. He basically said 301 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: two things. One is, they'll go and they'll say the 302 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: media will go and say this individual was lionizing and 303 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: talking a lot about other school shooters that were there, 304 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: and that's true. But his whole discussion about them was 305 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: what he could learn from them in terms of how 306 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: to do these attacks. You know, So I'll give you 307 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: one of his quotes. He says, quote, I recently heard 308 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: rumors that James Holmes, the Aurora theater shooter, may have 309 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: chosen venues that were quote gun free zones end quote. 310 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: I would probably aim the same way. Holmes wanted to 311 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: make sure his victims would be unarmed. That's why I 312 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: and many others like schools so much. At least for me, 313 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: I am focused on them. Milanza is my reason. End quote. 314 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: And then he also he has a discussion there about 315 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: the time of day he didn't want to do it, 316 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: in the morning when people were dropping off their kids 317 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: at school, and he didn't want to do it in 318 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: the afternoon when they're picking them up. You know why, 319 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: because he was worried that maybe one of the parents 320 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: might have a permanent, concealed handgun and might use it 321 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 3: to stop them. He explicitly talks about that. And you know, 322 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 3: you look at the Nashville school shooter. Even the day 323 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: of the murders that occurred there, where she murdered six people, 324 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: the Nashville police chief held a press conference where he 325 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: said he had read her diary and that she had 326 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 3: talked about going after other targets but had decided not 327 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: to because there are people with guns, like the Green 328 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: Hilled malls allow people to carry concealed handguns that might 329 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: stop her and prevent her from killing as many people 330 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 3: as she wanted to kill, and so she picked the 331 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 3: school that was there. But even though the police chief 332 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: went through that in his press conference, you will look 333 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 3: in vain for any media coverage on that. Instead, you 334 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: have things like after the Minneapolis case, where you know, 335 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: this killer explicitly talks about why he did it, they'll go, 336 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: you know, media discussions that will say, well, maybe he 337 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: did it because his mom used to work at the school. 338 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 3: Possible could be. I don't know, but he doesn't say that. 339 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: But what he does so they're guessing. They put in 340 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: the fact that he may have done it because his 341 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: mom worked there, but the stuff that he says for 342 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: the actual reason that he doesn't they ignore. And I 343 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: don't you know, I don't know how they can do 344 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: that because, as I say, it seems to me that 345 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: that would be very newsworthy to go and do it. 346 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: But you know, even going back to Columbine, it wasn't 347 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: as clear cut there, but you still had information, you know, 348 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: Dylan Cleebold. The New York Times had a story on 349 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: their front page where they mentioned that Dylan Cleebold and 350 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: his dad were very strongly against the concealed carry law 351 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: that was going through the Colorado state legislature at the time. 352 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: Doug Dean, who was the majority leader for the state House. 353 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: And it actually I was actually in Colorado the morning 354 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: of the shooting because the Colorado Legislature had asked me 355 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: to go and talk to legislators there. Doug had invited 356 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 3: me out, and the concealed carry bill there would have 357 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: allowed teachers and staff people with concealed carry permits to 358 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 3: carry on school property, and according to Doug, I was 359 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: told that the that Cleebold had written both his state 360 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: house member and state senator strongly opposing the bill, and 361 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: particularly was upset about the fact that teachers and staff 362 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: would be able to go and carry. Now when almost 363 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: nobody brings up, is he the attack at Columbine occurred 364 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: literally just a few hours before the UH before the 365 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: final vote was scheduled in the state legislature. You know, 366 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 3: you know, is it just a coincidence? I you know, 367 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: I don't have the explicit statement from them that I 368 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 3: have for others, but you know, it surely is interesting, 369 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: and you know we have, you know, the same time, 370 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: we have this Charlie Kirk thing. We had this attack 371 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 3: at this school in Colorado. 372 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: And. 373 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: People ignore the fact that this person, uh, there was 374 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: one school resource officer that was divided between different schools there. 375 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 3: The killer there waited until the school resource officer left. 376 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: He literally saw the school resource officer leaving the one 377 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: school to go to another school. He was waiting outside 378 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: the school until the school resource officer left, and then 379 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: he went in and did his shooting. 380 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: You've got to take a quick commercial break. 381 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: More at John Lott. 382 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: On the other side, he wrote in one of your 383 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: columns that more than half of mass public shooters over 384 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: the last twenty five years were already under the care 385 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: of mental health professionals. Right, so why are they still 386 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: able to get you know, weapons? 387 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: And you know, you don't because none. 388 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: Of these right, you know, because none of these mental 389 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 3: health care professionals identified any of these mass murders as 390 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: a danger to themselves or others prior to their attack. 391 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: And in fact, there's a whole academic literature out there 392 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: that explains why they're unable to identify these individuals. And 393 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: basically it comes down to the fact that this is 394 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: so rare that on average, people with mental health care 395 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 3: problems are less violent on average than the general population. 396 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: They're more likely to be victims. But there are other problems, 397 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: you know, so you have something like schizophrenia, for example, 398 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: is one of the examples that are given in the literature. 399 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 3: And as I say, there's a lot of academic papers 400 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: by psychologists and psychiatrists explaining why they fail to identify 401 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: these individuals. And you know, if you look at it, 402 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: they'll say something like schizophrenia there's at least three point 403 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: five million people in the United States with schizophrenia. Since 404 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, there's been one mass public shooter that has 405 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 3: had schizophrenia. You know, the type of example they'll give 406 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: us this. Let's say you were to go to a 407 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: mental health care expert and say, identify the thousand people 408 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: out of these three point five million plus that are 409 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: most likely to engage in one of these types of attacks. 410 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: Even if one of the one thousand is the guy 411 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: that did it, you'd still be wrong nine hundred and 412 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: ninety nine times out of that, and you may not 413 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: even get the one guy that's there. And so that's 414 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: what makes them Madison. But I think there's a more 415 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 3: basic problem there, and that is mental health is based 416 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 3: on the idea that people who have problems voluntarily come 417 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 3: forward seeking help, and so they assume that the people 418 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: who they're talking to are being honest with them about 419 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 3: what their feelings are. And you see this time after 420 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: time after time when you read the records on these things, 421 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 3: or read the diaries and manifestos. So, for example, the 422 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: Buffalo super market shooter, that individual had been in high school. 423 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: He was asked by the teacher what he was going 424 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 3: to be doing over the summer after graduation, and he said, 425 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to find a school that has 426 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: summer school and shoot it up and kill as many 427 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: people as I can, and then I'm going to commit suicide. Well, 428 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: obviously the teacher was very concerned, and so she flagged 429 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: him and he was taken in for a psychiatric evaluation, 430 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 3: held there for twenty hours at the hospital, and had 431 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 3: to go and see two mental health care professionals, and 432 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: when he was asked about his comment, he said, look, 433 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 3: it was a stupid joke. I shouldn't up said it. 434 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I won't make jokes like that again. And 435 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: both the mental health care professionals concluded that he was 436 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: just joking and that he was sorry for doing it, 437 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: and there's no problem, and so he was released. And 438 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: you look at somebody like the Santa Barbara mass murderer. 439 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: He was actually seeing the head of child psychiatric services 440 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: at Los Angeles Children's Hospital, somebody who's an internationally recognized 441 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: expert on youth violence, as god knows how many dozens 442 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: of peer reviewed papers that he's published on this issue. 443 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: And yet the problem is is that this guy, if 444 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 3: you read his manifesto, he says he would have to 445 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: be an idiot to go and answer honestly the questions 446 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: that this mental health care professional was asking. When the 447 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 3: mental health care professional asked, are you suicidal? He said, 448 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: of course, I said no. He said, do you have 449 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: any thoughts of violence? And he says of course. The 450 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: guy says no. He says, if you want to go 451 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: and commit this crime, why are you going to go 452 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: and tell one of these mental health care professionals who 453 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: will then st you from doing that? If that's really 454 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: what you want to do. That's what he says in 455 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: his manifesto. That's there, and you see that time after 456 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: time and these other ones. These guys, these guys may 457 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: be stupid, you know, I'm sorry, they may be crazy, 458 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: but they're not stupid. And so, I mean, I can't 459 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: tell you the number of times I've read in these 460 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 3: diaries of manifestos where they take delight it just fooling 461 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: these mental health care professionals that they have. 462 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of talk about SSR 463 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: or SSRIs, right, is there evidence to back up that 464 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: you know these mass murders or you know are on 465 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: them or what do you think about that line of argument, right. 466 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: And I mean, this is something that people made for years. 467 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: I know Robert Kennedy's saying that he's going to look 468 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: into this. I have to tell you, I can't tell 469 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: tell you that when I've heard people say, well, seventy 470 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: five percent of these mass public shooters were on these 471 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 3: drugs or ninety percent or whatever, and I'll go and 472 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: I'll reach out to them. I say, can you give 473 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: me the data on this? I'd love to look at 474 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: the data. And I never have gotten any data from 475 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 3: these people. Now, I'm not too surprised because the fact 476 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: that you're talking about privacy type of rules, so we are, 477 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how they would find out 478 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: whether somebody was on these drugs or not. But there's 479 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: other problems there with this. I mean, as you mentioned, 480 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: about half of these mass murderers were actually seeing mental 481 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: health care professionals, So it's been very possible even though 482 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: the even though the mental health professionals did not identify 483 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: these individuals as a danger themselves or others, and often 484 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: didn't even identify them as being suicidal, you know, which 485 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: would have been a danger to themselves. They never did. 486 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: But you know, there's an issue with this. And I 487 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 3: know Robert Kennedy's put out an exam you know several 488 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 3: examples of people that were on those types of drugs 489 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 3: before they committed it. But if you read the discussion 490 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 3: that he put out, first of all, one of them 491 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 3: wasn't a mass murderer, which just the guy killed his 492 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: wife a couple of days after he started the drugs. 493 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: But all the three cases that are there are ones 494 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: who had either just started using the drug or had 495 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: just switched the dosage. And here's the problem with that, 496 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: and that is if you talk to people in the 497 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: mental health care community, they'll say, yeah, you know, it's 498 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: possible that these drugs can create psychiatric breaks, but they're 499 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: short lived. You know, you're talking about something that's days, 500 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: maybe a week or something like that. And these guys 501 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: are planning these attacks at least six months in advance. 502 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: You know, the Sandy Hook murder was planning his attack 503 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: for over two and a half years prior to the attack. 504 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 3: So something that you know, maybe it might trigger the 505 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: timing that they do it, but doesn't trigger whether or 506 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: not they were interested in doing these types of attacks 507 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: to begin with. And I have to tell you. I've 508 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much time I've spent trying 509 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: to go and look through the diaries and manifestos for 510 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: these mass murderers, which are obviously written over a long 511 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: period of time. And I don't see a change in 512 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: these guys' behavior or thought processes. You know, they're from 513 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: day one. They're planning on doing these attacks. They're focused 514 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: on it. They's just like the Minneapolis one or these others. 515 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 3: They're focused on trying to who you know, you know, 516 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: learn from these other attacks that are there, you know, 517 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 3: the Sandy Hook mass murder, he did what the police 518 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 3: described as a doctoral dissertation where he had looked at 519 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 3: mass public shootings over the previous forty years, and, according 520 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 3: to one police report, in order to prove to himself 521 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 3: that he could get more media coverage by killing more people. 522 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 3: He had apparently graft out the relationship between the number 523 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 3: of people killed and attacks the amount of media coverage 524 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: that they had gotten. His goal was, apparently to go 525 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 3: and kill more people than the Norway killer, who had 526 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: killed more shot to death more people than any mass 527 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 3: public shooter in the United States. He had shot to 528 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 3: death sixty seven people, ignoring the bombing deaths that were there, 529 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 3: and because he wanted to get more media attention. Now, 530 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 3: one thing I'll mention that I have no proof for, 531 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: but I'm just an educated guess on my part, is 532 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 3: that the reason why he picked the school also fit 533 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 3: in with the media stuff. That killing elementary school kids 534 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 3: he probably thought would get you know, more horror on 535 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 3: the part of people and get him more attention than 536 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: going and and shooting up some other type of venue. 537 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: And I've seen that in other places. Though I can't 538 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: say for sure that the Sandy Hook killer picked the 539 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 3: elementary school because of that, but it surely fits in 540 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 3: with the focus that you just see over and over again. 541 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't tell you how many times when 542 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 3: you read these diaries and manifestos these people will explicitly 543 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 3: say things like, if I can only kill more people 544 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: than such and such, did I can get even more 545 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 3: media attention. Just one thing I want to make clear here, 546 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: and that since it kind of fits in with something 547 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 3: that you brought up earlier, and that is these gun 548 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: free zones. We have to be clear looking at people 549 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 3: mental problems, We're not going to be able to identify 550 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 3: these individuals beforehand, and so the question is what's the 551 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: backup plan? Okay? And you know, and in order to 552 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 3: figure out what the backup plan is, we because we're 553 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 3: not going to mental health professionals themselves say they're not 554 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 3: going to be able to identify these individuals. So and 555 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 3: in order to figure out what the backup plan is, 556 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 3: you have to go and look to see what these 557 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 3: guys are trying to accomplish. And what they're trying to 558 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 3: accomplish is media attention. Now, I'm not going to argue 559 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 3: we should get rid of the First Amendment. I would 560 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 3: have no idea how to even rewrite it. I have 561 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 3: no desire to try to do that, okay, But there 562 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 3: are other things that we can do that can go 563 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: and reduce the media coverage. And what you know is 564 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 3: that these individuals, time after time after time, believe that 565 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,959 Speaker 3: there's a link between the number of people they kill 566 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 3: and the amount of media coverage that they're going to get. 567 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 3: So you have to reduce the number of people where 568 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: they're going to kill. And when you're talking about the 569 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 3: gun free zone stuff, these guys pick gun free zones 570 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 3: because they know they're going to be able to go 571 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 3: and kill more people there. And so What you need 572 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 3: to do is is rether than having a sign and 573 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 3: from the school that says the school is a gun 574 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: free zone. Have a sign in front of the school 575 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 3: that says warning, select teachers and staff at the school 576 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 3: are carrying concealed and will use their guns to go 577 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 3: and protect students and others that are there. You know, 578 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 3: we have well over ten thousand schools in the United 579 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 3: States that have armed teachers and staff. Okay, over twenty 580 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 3: states allow them to do it. They're different rules, you know, 581 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 3: some make it easier, you know Texas. You know about 582 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 3: forty percent of the schools in Utah and New Hampshire, 583 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 3: any teacher that has a concealed carry permits allowed to carry. 584 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 3: You know, Utah and New Hampshire basically had this for 585 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 3: many decades. 586 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: You Know. 587 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: The thing is, there has never been a school shooting 588 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 3: an attack where anybody's been killed or wounded inside any 589 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 3: of these schools that have armed teachers and staff. All 590 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 3: the attacks have occurred at places where teachers and staff 591 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 3: aren't allowed to carry. Now, one debate that I have 592 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 3: with conservatives, and I disagree with them a lot on this, 593 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 3: and that is a lot of and even friends like 594 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 3: Ted Cruz and stuff like that. They want to go 595 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 3: and put one uniform school resource officer in each school, 596 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 3: And my plea to them is, if you're going to 597 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 3: do that, please don't put the person in uniform. Have 598 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 3: them be the pe coach or blended as a staff 599 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: member so they're not identified. The problem because we've had 600 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 3: plenty of shootings where there's been an officer. We've just 601 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 3: finished a big study on this type of thing. They 602 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: can go into. But the thing is, these attackers have 603 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 3: real tactical advantages when you're talking about somebody in uniform. 604 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 3: If there's one person there in uniform and he's the 605 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 3: only person with a gun, then the attackers can wait 606 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 3: until the person leaves the area, you know, like the 607 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 3: example with the Colorado shooting that I talked about earlier, 608 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 3: or they can move on to another target themselves. Or 609 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 3: if they're going to insist on doing that particular target, 610 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 3: who do you think they shoot first? They're going to 611 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 3: shoot the guy in uniform, the one guy that they 612 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 3: know has a gun. The one question I often ask people, 613 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 3: I said, look, we have air marshals on planes. Do 614 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 3: you think an air marshal on a plane ought to 615 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 3: be in uniform. Does anybody think that. I haven't met 616 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 3: anybody who thinks that. And it's pretty obvious why you 617 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 3: would never put an air marshal in the uniform. And 618 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 3: the reason is is that if you put the air 619 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 3: marshal in the uniform and you do happen to have 620 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 3: a terrorist on the plane, there, who do you think 621 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 3: the terrorist is gonna take out first? He's going to 622 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 3: take out the air marshal. So you don't want to 623 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 3: give the terrast that tactical advantage that's there. And the 624 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 3: same thing is true with putting somebody in a school, 625 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 3: and the advantage that you have with teachers carrying concealed 626 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 3: is that the attacker has no clue who it is 627 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 3: that they have to worry about. That's there. I mean 628 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 3: a nationwide outside of California and New York, you have 629 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 3: about ten percent of the adult population with the concealed 630 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 3: carry permit. But you go to a restaurant, you go 631 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 3: to a movie theater, you go to a grocery store, 632 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 3: you go to at any place, and there's a very 633 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 3: high probability that somebody nearby you is carrying. You have 634 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: no idea who it is. If you were to go 635 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 3: into a restaurant and start shooting people. And they allow 636 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 3: people to carry. You have to worry that there's somebody 637 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 3: behind you or to the side, or somebody who's walking 638 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: in right behind you that is a concealed carry permit, 639 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 3: and they're going to be able to stop you before 640 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 3: you do. 641 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: Very much, quick break, stay with us. 642 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please share on social 643 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: media or maybe send it to a friend or a 644 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: family member. 645 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 2: Do we have a. 646 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: Gun problem as a country, as the left likes to say. 647 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 3: I think we have a problem with gun control laws 648 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 3: that make it so that victims aren't able to go 649 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 3: and defend themselves. You know, so much with government regulations. 650 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 3: You have a government regulation that gets passed that causes 651 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 3: a problem, and that rather than going and fixing the 652 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 3: original gun control legislator regulation that caused the problem, people 653 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 3: pass even regulations. And the same thing is true here. 654 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 3: We pass these gun free zones, and then people target 655 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 3: those gun free zones, and then rather than going back 656 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 3: and trying to get rid of the gun free zones, 657 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 3: they want to go and pass other types of gun 658 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 3: control rules. Look, we've done research looking at mass public 659 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 3: shootings across the world. People don't adjust these numbers for population. 660 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 3: So you know, you have a country like Germany, which 661 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 3: has had since two thousand, has had three big mass 662 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 3: public school shootings, well we've had nine. In the United States, 663 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 3: we've had more. But Germany is like eighty three million people. 664 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 3: We have three hundred and forty million people, so they 665 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 3: have like less than one fourth the number of people 666 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 3: we have. You adjust their three, that's the equivalent of 667 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 3: us having twelve. You look at Finland, Finland's had two 668 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 3: mass public school shootings. They have a population of five 669 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 3: point five million people, like one sixtieth what we have 670 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 3: here in the United States. That'd be the equivalent of 671 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 3: US having one hundred and twenty. You know, nobody goes no, 672 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 3: no media Outlet's going to compare the number of murders 673 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 3: in California with Rhode Island, right, They're going to look 674 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 3: at the per capita rates that are there between them, 675 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 3: but for some reason they refuse to do that. If 676 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 3: you look at per capital rates for mass public shootings 677 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 3: just in general, the United States over a twenty year 678 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 3: period of time ranks something like sixty fifth in per 679 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 3: capita rates that are there. And it's just you know, 680 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 3: I can understand why the media covers attacks in the 681 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 3: United States. It's in the United States. But the bizarre 682 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 3: thing is a mass public shooting in the United States 683 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 3: gets more attention than mass public shootings that occur in 684 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 3: other countries. So if I just were to ask you 685 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 3: just compare only Western Europe versus the United States. Let's say, 686 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 3: since twenty ten, can you give me the two worst 687 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 3: mass public shootings where have they occurred? They both occurred 688 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 3: in Western Europe. You have the Norway killing where sixty 689 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 3: seven people were killed, and in twenty fifteen, you have 690 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 3: the concert shooting in Paris, France in November twenty fifteen, 691 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 3: where one hundred and thirty people were killed. 692 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on the show, John, because 693 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, very often a lot of 694 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: these conversations, you know, the data is not reflected in 695 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: the media coverage or the discussion surrounding it. So we 696 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that you can bring us the details 697 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: and also what the statistics actually show us. 698 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me on, and you know, I 699 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 3: just I appreciate you letting me go on at length 700 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 3: on this stuff. So unfortunately I get a little bit 701 00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 3: rapped up on it. 702 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: I understand it's frustrating when you know you hear a 703 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: bunch of eyes. 704 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 3: Sure, people can find more on all these statistics on 705 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 3: our website at crimeresearch dot org. Crimeresearch dot org. 706 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: That was John Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center. 707 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show. 708 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 709 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. I also want 710 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the 711 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: show together. 712 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 2: Until next time.