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Speaker 1: and welcome to episode two of X ray Vision, The

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Speaker 1: Crooked Podcast, where we delve into the nooks and crannies

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Speaker 1: of your favorite shows, movies, comics at pop culture today.

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Speaker 1: Looky you lucky. Yes, we're following up on our MCU

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Speaker 1: culture critic whose work has appeared in Nerdict, Esquire, Ign,

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Speaker 1: The Hollywood Reporter, and many other places. Please welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show, Rosie Night, Rosie, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so good. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the news. It's time for Previously On,

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Speaker 1: where we unpack and analyze some of the latest news

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Speaker 1: stories and pop culture. We're going to start by turning

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Speaker 1: back the clock just a bit to discuss, first of all,

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Speaker 1: the announcement of Cowboy Bebop, the live action version of

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Speaker 1: the live action Avatar the Last Airbender, as Netflix continues

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't, I can't. I can't wait for more

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Speaker 1: weird stuff. And then you mentioned it our final story,

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Speaker 1: the death of Doctor Strange. Marvel is preparing to kill

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Speaker 1: off some of its biggest characters yep, including Spider Man, Scarletvich,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Strange. I listen, this means one of two things.

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Speaker 1: I guess one thing. The thing that always happens is

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Speaker 1: this means it's a fight into hell to get them

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Speaker 1: out right or some version of that. But I'm excited

436
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Speaker 1: to see where this goes. This feels again very strategic,

437
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Speaker 1: very timed for some of the properties that are coming

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Speaker 1: out now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really interesting. I love seeing what

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Speaker 2: they seed in the comics, whether it's the introduction of

441
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Speaker 2: a character or a concept multiverse stuff stuff like that.

442
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Speaker 2: Are doing a can comic right now to get people

443
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Speaker 2: to understand who he is a little bit more with

444
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Speaker 2: the big timeless thing. And so for me, the fact

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Speaker 2: that they did Wanders dead. She was maybe killed by Magneto,

446
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Speaker 2: but we're kind of finding that out in Trial of Magneto.

447
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Speaker 2: And they're doing a comic just called Death of Doctor

448
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Speaker 2: Strange which has magic in and they kind of team up,

449
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Speaker 2: and I think the idea is she might be the

450
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Speaker 2: one who's going to take the Mantle in the future.

451
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: And obviously Annya Taylor Joy as magic. Apart from the

452
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Speaker 2: way that they randomly made her like a xenophobe, I

453
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Speaker 2: don't know what that was. That was terrible. That was terrible,

454
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Speaker 2: but otherwise like that was perfect casting. I know that

455
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Speaker 2: someone people would want to see. And then yeah, Pac Leeson,

456
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: they're doing this Beyond Spider Man, Spider Man Beyond Event

457
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Speaker 2: and Pac Leeson, who's writing and drawing it, he posted

458
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Speaker 2: an image that looked like dead Peter. So it seems

459
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Speaker 2: like these three major characters who are heavily involved in

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Speaker 2: this multiversal stuff that's occurring, Like you said, some kind

461
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Speaker 2: of battling into Hell like multiverse something about we're going

462
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Speaker 2: to have to get them back. They're going to be

463
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Speaker 2: in trouble and some magical you know, we know America

464
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Speaker 2: Shaves is going to come multiversal kind of badass. So

465
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of ways that could go if they

466
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Speaker 2: go to Hell, though, you know Mafista is going to

467
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Speaker 2: be there.

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely going to be there. He's a one hundred

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Speaker 1: sent They are going to have to do battle with

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Speaker 1: him to get him out. Peter's death is also very

471
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Speaker 1: It is very provocative for the film properties because you know,

472
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Speaker 1: Sinister Six heavily teased in the Spider Man No Way

473
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Speaker 1: Home trailer, and of course in the Ultimate Universe, Peter

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Speaker 1: parrishes vanquishing the Sinister Six, and that paves the way

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Speaker 1: for the introduction of Miles Morales. How would we get Miles?

476
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Speaker 1: Maybe would we get them for another dimension? All of

477
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Speaker 1: this stuff on the table is super, super exciting.

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Speaker 2: I can't need to see it, and I do think

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Speaker 2: I can't. I'm not going to quote it because it

480
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: was always all rumored, but the rumor had it that

481
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Speaker 2: there was some kind of deal with Sony about three

482
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Speaker 2: live actions Spider Man Peter Parker movies before a Miles

483
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Speaker 2: movie at some point. So I feel like whatever's happening,

484
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Speaker 2: Sony is already primed into the Spider Use is the

485
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Speaker 2: best Spider Man movie. Everybody knows that Marvel is now

486
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Speaker 2: doing a similar vibe with the multiverse. I feel like

487
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Speaker 2: Miles cannot be too far away. And I think Cindy

488
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: was even in They had a character like Cindy Moon

489
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Speaker 2: who was in the credits of this. She's in the school,

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Speaker 2: So I think that school could become a little Spider Haven.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean Tom Holland has the range to

492
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Speaker 2: die as Peter Parker him. I watched Endgame the other

493
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Speaker 2: day again and I was like, Wow, this is like this,

494
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Speaker 2: I mean Infinity. Well, this is like the performance, like

495
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Speaker 2: when he's like I don't want to go. I was like, yeah, man, like.

496
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Speaker 1: God bye, that will break people's hearts.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Up next, let's talk about shang Chi, and we're back

501
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Speaker 1: with Rosie to discuss the world of shang Chi. It's

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Speaker 1: time to step into the airlock. First, let's recap the

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Speaker 1: movie again, spoilers, folks. If you haven't seen it, please

504
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Speaker 1: go see it number one two. If you haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: tune out now. Okay, here we go. Sean, a very

506
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: suspiciously super super in shape valet in San Francisco, has

507
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Speaker 1: a secret. He is actually shang Chi Simulu, the son

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Speaker 1: of the centuries old gangster the Mandarin, played by the

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Speaker 1: Great Tony Leung, and this is the real one this time, folks.

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Speaker 1: His mother is the late Jiang Lee played by Fala Chen,

511
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Speaker 1: a citizen from the secret magical Realm Talo. One day,

512
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Speaker 1: Shang receives my serious postcard, and soon after he is

513
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Speaker 1: attacked by his father's various henchmen, including the classic Shang

514
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Speaker 1: Chi villain Razorfist played by Florian Montianu. While riding a

515
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Speaker 1: city bus with his best friend Katie played by Aquafina,

516
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Speaker 1: he is swiftly drawn into an adventure that reunites him

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Speaker 1: with his long lost illegal superhero fight club running sister

518
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Speaker 1: Jai Ling played by Meng r Xang, along with our

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Speaker 1: good pal Trevor Slattery played by Ben Kingsley in his

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Speaker 1: first appearance since the MCU one shot, which is now

521
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Speaker 1: clearly a prequel to this movie, return of the King

522
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Speaker 1: you can see that at Disney Plus, and a magical

523
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Speaker 1: creature named Morris, who we hope to see at bet

524
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Speaker 1: Adventures very soon. Shangxi travels to Taloa to stop his

525
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Speaker 1: father from destroying the hidden village and freeing an ancient evil.

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Speaker 1: In the end, shang and friends prevail under false pretenses,

527
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Speaker 1: works to take control of the Ten Rings, her father's

528
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Speaker 1: criminal syndicate. Sean, in possession of their father's magical power rings,

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Speaker 1: the ten actual weapon Rings, returns home, where in the

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Speaker 1: credit Stinger Wong appears and welcomes Sean and kind of

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Speaker 1: Katie as well, which is interesting to the world of superheroes.

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Speaker 4: Katie is Katie really?

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's got the bow and arrow, but like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's up for it anyway. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Welcome to the world of superheroes, all of you.

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Speaker 2: Rosie.

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Speaker 1: What were your overall impressions and reactions to this film.

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Speaker 2: I mean the festival they were always branding. They had

539
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Speaker 2: her figure, her action figure was Marvels Katie, So I

540
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Speaker 2: feel like they went Tina. They were like when that happened,

541
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Speaker 2: I was like, I guess that's why they made it.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, this movie has without doubt my favorite

543
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Speaker 2: opening of any MCU movie. This opening I was like,

544
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Speaker 2: I went into this movie and I was like, you know,

545
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Speaker 2: I really want to love it. I really I love

546
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Speaker 2: this idea of these bigger Hollywood march lots. Movie is

547
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: like I really you know, wore combat like shut snake eyes,

548
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: like it was gonna be a year for that. This movie,

549
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: I feel like, really delivers on that. But the opening,

550
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: the Woujia like romance opening, yes, between.

551
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: That was it was legitimately beautiful, just like actually just

552
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: beautifully shot. Tony Young is one of our great actors, purely,

553
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: like everything he does is just pure charisma. Can't stop

554
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: watching him. Uh, And that is maybe the most romantic

555
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Speaker 1: like MCU stuff ever.

556
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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's the first for me.

557
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 2: It's like the first proper MCU romance. Like it is

558
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 2: a film about Shang Chi and and and and this

559
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: kind of connection to Tallow and coming to terms with

560
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: these two sides of his family and stuff. But that

561
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: romance is just so much at the heart of it.

562
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Speaker 2: And Tonally the youngest like I am like a big

563
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: fang all right. I love every movie has been in.

564
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Speaker 2: I love Home and Call. So every time I saw

565
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: him on the screen, I was like, Wow, that's kind

566
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Speaker 2: of young in a Marvel movie.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, that's crazy.

568
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Speaker 1: That is the crazy thing. Yeah, you know, like I

569
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: saw freaking chun King Express like on on VHS, you

570
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like so, and then they would

571
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: like randomly play it like on Showtime at like in

572
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Speaker 1: the morning in the like late nineties, early two thousand

573
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Speaker 1: and you know. And of course Infernal and Fairs is

574
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: fucking stone cold, absolute classic, later adapted by Martin Scorsese's

575
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Speaker 1: The Part I. It is crazy to see him in

576
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Speaker 1: a Marvel movie. It's it's it's absolutely nuts to see

577
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Speaker 1: him and Michelle Yo, who is one of my all

578
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Speaker 1: time heroes in a in a freaking Marvel movie.

579
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Speaker 2: And that I think that they are like to me,

580
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: that is like the thing that really makes it stand

581
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Speaker 2: out is there's this different pedigree of actors and a

582
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Speaker 2: level of respect. Like you have this movie that is

583
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: so obviously influenced by The hip Man, and then you

584
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Speaker 2: have Tony Leung who played it Man in The Grandmaster,

585
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Speaker 2: like the one Cowai movie. There's just so many levels

586
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Speaker 2: to it. Michelle Yo obviously like iconic in that martial

587
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: art space as well, Like so when you bring that

588
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: and that opening sequence where they do the dance fight

589
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 2: and all the shots are just exact where you see it,

590
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Speaker 2: I was just blown away. I was not expecting it.

591
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting it at all, and I just thought

592
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Speaker 2: it and obviously, like the action in general, I think

593
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: is completely badass. I remember saying like that bus fight

594
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: is so good that like nobody's gonna talk ele fight,

595
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: like everyone always talks about the Elevator fight and MCU

596
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like that just makes you forget it, like

597
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: it's so good.

598
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Speaker 1: The bus fight was incredibly good. I'll say that I

599
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: think that people's feelings about this movie will hinge on

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Speaker 1: how they feel about the third apps like tone shift

601
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: to now we're fighting this big ancient monster. That said, yeah,

602
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: the action is fantastic, like obviously shades of shades of

603
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: the Police Story, shades of Jackie Chan, shades of Crouching Tiger,

604
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: just like beautifully shot and well done. Also, I will say,

605
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: like legitimately hilarious. The reintroduction of Trevor Slattery is so funny.

606
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Speaker 2: They need such a good job, like he actually.

607
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Speaker 1: And what I thought was not just one of the

608
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Speaker 1: funniest lines, but also, like I thought, one of the

609
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Speaker 1: most necessary and important lines where he talks about his

610
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Speaker 1: playing the role of, you know, the fake Mandarin, leader

611
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Speaker 1: of the of the fake terrorist group the Ten Rings,

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Speaker 1: as seen in Iron Man three, and he's, uh, I'm

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00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: gonna misquote him because I've only seen the movie once,

614
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: but he says when he's recounting this to to Shang Ti,

615
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: He's like, so, yeah, I was hired by this evil

616
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: villain to play this terrorist called the Mandarin, which I

617
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: now understand to be a rather insensitive portrayal of Like

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Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, this is like

619
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Speaker 1: they just the fact that they hit on the idea

620
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: of appropriation through the character of Trevor's slattery was hilarious

621
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Speaker 1: to me. So funny.

622
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not expecting a cameo from him, let alone,

623
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Speaker 2: like essentially, what is a major role in like the

624
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: third with as Morris is funny interpretw So yeah, I

625
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: thought that I liked that they kind of had they

626
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: faced that like face on and had him be the

627
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: one who actually took accountability reckoned like Edy Cab. The

628
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: moment of like, yeah, this sucked and here I am

629
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Speaker 2: now in prison because of it, because of my terrible portrayal.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite scene?

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Speaker 2: The opening is definitely is my favorite scene, but I

633
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: also anything with Showling, Like I thought that she is

634
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: just such a badass character. I loved that second stinger,

635
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: I really that just had me being like, yes, I

636
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: want to know you. I want to know how you're

637
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: going to run the ten rings. I loved that razors

638
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: Mist was like her funny hymno sidekick because she saved

639
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: him when he was just and she was in like

640
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: the cool like red she was in that cool red

641
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: jumpsuit and he was just there at her side like

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Speaker 2: with his little razor arm. I was just like, I

643
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: thought that was really cool. The bus scene obviously was amazing.

644
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: Anything the time of the Young I thought was really good.

645
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: I loved seeing the stuff, the kind of backstory of

646
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: Shong and when they were the parents were together. That

647
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: stuff really really hit for me.

648
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: Yah Razorfist being a total like scumbag himbo with the

649
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, detailed suv that says Razorfist, that's like a oh,

650
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: he is such a high profile, Like I'm not afraid

651
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: to swag it like b level henchmen. That he has

652
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: his code name like spray painted on the side of

653
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: his car. I thought that was really funny. I loved

654
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: the bus fight just because of the shades of police

655
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: of Jackie Chan's Police Story, which is I think one

656
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: of the greatest action movies ever made. They destroy an

657
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: entire village in the opening five minutes of the movie.

658
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: That was that was really fun. I loved going to

659
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Jailing's underground fight club, just getting this taste of like,

660
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: what what are these various like powered up but not

661
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: powerful enough to really be out there super villain ing

662
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: and not smart enough to be like super villaining. What

663
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: are they doing for like spare money? Oh, there are

664
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: fighting in underground fight clubs that are streamed across the

665
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: internet in the dark where people can we can can

666
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: can bet on it. I was like, so, you know,

667
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: one of the things that got people talking the most

668
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: was the appearance of the Abomination in the trailer. We

669
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: get a great scene with the Abomination fighting Wong in

670
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 1: what is legitimately a fixed fight. Although Wong, I guess

671
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: you'd say Wog sincerely prevails. That said, how the fuck

672
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: does Abomination get out of the cryo cell. This is

673
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: like one of the classic like this is one of

674
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: those classic comic book moves where all of a sudden,

675
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: someone who you thought was somewhere is not there, and

676
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: then you know that there's gonna be the backstory someday

677
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: of how they got out of there. All I can

678
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: think is Thunderbolt Ross is fucking up again? Yeah, like

679
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: time every time? How is this?

680
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 4: How is he out? Why is he out?

681
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: Thought that like this stinger at the end where it

682
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: was like Wong went and got Sean and Katie and

683
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: was like putting together his little team. He they kind

684
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: of making him like a sorcerer Nick Fury. So I

685
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: was like, what happened? I'm sure it seemed like he

686
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: was because he was telling Abomination like, you know, you

687
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: should have pulled that punch, So it kind of seemed

688
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: like he was training him. Maybe, so I'm like, maybe

689
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: Wong helped him get out, but definitely that what Ross

690
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: is useless. I used to think that they were actually

691
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: gonna have him turn into Red Hulk, maybe like run

692
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: as kind of version of an MC version of Thunderbols,

693
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: But I don't thin it's gonna happen because he's just useless,

694
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: like what.

695
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Obviously Thunderbolts to Thunderbolts. It's it's an easy it's an

696
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: easy leap to make. He's too incompetent, Like I think

697
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna be I think it's gonna be the Contesta Fontein,

698
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: Like he will be the one who creates the Dark

699
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Avengers slash Thunderbolts team because at this point, Ross is

700
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: too much of a fucking idiot. He's nothing he has

701
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: ever done has worked, including putting the Abomination in a

702
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: cryo cell in Alaska. This guy is running around and

703
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: he's legitimately fifteen feet tall, Like, how can you miss him?

704
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: That he's not there?

705
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: Looks like savage? Come on, come on.

706
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: Other things that I really enjoyed about shang Xi are

707
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: just like the scenes with the friends sitting around and

708
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: talking about their life and their experience. I thought that

709
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: was actually really necessary, is like connecting it to the

710
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Asian American slash Asian diaspora in the West experience, and

711
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: those scenes just really popped for me and were really fun.

712
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm also like, man, Shawn must be getting great tips

713
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: because I don't know how he is surviving in San Francisco,

714
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: one of the most expensive cities in the country the

715
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: United States of America. On valet tips. Maybe he still

716
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: has like access to Dad's money or something, but like

717
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: shouts to him for just really grinding. Let's talk about

718
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: the let's talk about the end, kind of like big Fight.

719
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I think one of the criticisms of Marvel that seems

720
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: to stick is like third act problems quote unquote. Again,

721
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot how people will feel about this

722
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: is did you come in expecting super cop, expecting the raid,

723
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: expecting crouching tiger, expecting this like martial arts extravaganza, and

724
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: then in the third act you get this like big

725
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: monster fight. I enjoyed it, and I thought it was

726
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: important for this reason. One. I love the Mandarin's arc.

727
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: I love that he, yes, was an organized crime figure

728
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: who for centuries has been running a syndicate, although for

729
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: a time he left it because he was in love

730
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: with his wife. But I thought that it was with

731
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: that beautifully sweeping, romantic setup in the intro, it beautifully

732
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: laid the groundwork for his just like a complete inability

733
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: to get past the grief of losing his wife, and

734
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: that being the perfect hook to lure him into this

735
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: completely misbegotten mission to free this ancient demon who he

736
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: thinks is behind this, you know, to destroy this gateway

737
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: behind which he thinks his wife is trapped. Really it's

738
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: this this demon that is luring him forward. I thought

739
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: that that was I love that they made the character

740
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: not just this like a mustache whirling villain, and that

741
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: it was it was a real heartfelt motivation that kept

742
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: him as like a three dimensional character that even in

743
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: this even as he's doing terrible shit and attacking a beautiful,

744
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: magical village, he's doing it because his one love he

745
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: needs to free her from like from this place, and

746
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: he's just mistaken. But I can understand people being like,

747
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like we're fighting a monster dragon.

748
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: How did you feel about it?

749
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you're right. I'm like, I feel

750
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: like that's definitely the most emotionally invested I have been

751
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: in a monster fight. Because they did a really good

752
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: job of setting up and giving him first, I thought

753
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: that his whole arc was so good, Like it was

754
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: the thing that I thought was most interesting about the film.

755
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: And I thought I also found that in that third act,

756
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: even with the giant monsters and dragons and everything. I

757
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: felt like there was this really interesting space for him

758
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: and Shank to have this like reflective arc where Sean's like, well,

759
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna become what he wanted me to become.

760
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to become an assassin and I'm going to

761
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: kill him. But what when we realize is is like,

762
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: well that he actually has to say his son in

763
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: the end because he realizes that this thing that he

764
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: thought was his wife was not, you know. And so

765
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: in that way, I felt like it was very It

766
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: sold it to me a lot more than it just

767
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: being random. Also, it didn't do that they didn't have

768
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: anything falling out of the sky, which is usually Marbl's

769
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: biggest problem. So I was like, at least they're moving

770
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: a little bit. I kind of the thing that I

771
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: thought was cool about it that hadn't been done before.

772
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: A lot of things in this movie haven't been done before.

773
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: But the one thing I will say is even though

774
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: I definitely am more of a like Raid kind of

775
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: I would have loved I would still love to see

776
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: that superhero movie. The gritty Timo Tihanto like brutal, but

777
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: I did I liked I liked that they went full

778
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: fantasy with it. I thought that that was a really

779
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: interesting different route for the MCU, because all these movies

780
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: are always so grounded in this idea of the you know,

781
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: Tony Stark's real life weapons dealer, and he makes the

782
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: from that beginning of them being these kind of characters

783
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: people didn't really know and needing to ground the MCU

784
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: in this more ultimate style world. I was not averse

785
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: to the fantas I thought that I fit in with

786
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: the world.

787
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: I felt it made sense too, because listen, in the comics,

788
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: Sean is arguably the best hand to hand fighter, like

789
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: in the Cannon right here. He that's it's unclear whether

790
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: that would be the case in the MCU version. So

791
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: introducing this fantasy element, putting him in possession of the

792
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: of the rings, I thought was a necessary thing to

793
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: to differentiate him from some of the kind of more

794
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: ground level heroes like that. I think that the worst,

795
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: not the worst, but like the most kind of like

796
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: boring outcome would have been He's just a guy in

797
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: the realm of Hawkeye, you know, like he where, which

798
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: is not to say like a joke, but hand to

799
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: hand fighter, no power is lucky to be there where

800
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, his stick is all the time. Man, I'm

801
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: hanging out with him, you know, like a super powerful

802
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: source story a human spider and you know, a gamma

803
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: powered like a scientist, and I'm just a guy who

804
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: like is extremely well trained at fighting. Like, I'm glad

805
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: that that is not the case and that he has

806
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: something any theories going forward for for yeah, how this

807
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: will connect going to the wider universe.

808
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: I was really happy that they I think that they

809
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: are setting up Wong as some kind of I mean,

810
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: we already saw an end name for him. Yeah, I

811
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: love him so much, I hope because the MCU does

812
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit later than we would hope,

813
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: but years later it kind of does what everyone's always saying.

814
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: And when that movie came out, everyone's like, well, Wong

815
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: should obviously be the sorcer of Supreme. And I do

816
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: think we're going towards a version of the MCU where

817
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: we might get to see something along those lines. I'm

818
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: really interested about them making the Ten Rings this kind

819
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: of magical artifact.

820
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: I agree.

821
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: I think I think something that's cool is they kind

822
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: of did still let Shan be a master of kung fu,

823
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: like he is an incredible martial artist, but also he's

824
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: in a world where you know, there's like three Captain

825
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: Americas and there's a multipus, so he needs these magical things.

826
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: I thought that was cool. I think that that could

827
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: definitely be a space of you know, the something along

828
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: the lines of Atlantis. I'm really stoked for Atlantis. That

829
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: seems like a space that no one would know about,

830
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: so it would make sense why nobody recognized what the

831
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: rings were, so I'd really like to see that. It

832
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: definitely seems like they're setting up some kind of new

833
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 2: Avengers team, though I would also really love to see

834
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: like an agent's of Atlas and kind of bringing in

835
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 2: something like that, so Wong and bringing in that team.

836
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: And I also really loved like this isn't a theory,

837
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: but I did really love the ending where it was

838
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: like we need to like prepare to be an Avenger,

839
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: but then they just went into karaoke. That was just

840
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: very reliable.

841
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that felt the most like Asian

842
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: experience to melas a Filipino American who whose entire family

843
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: is obsessed with karaoke, that felt very that hit me

844
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: in my line in order to understand the origins of

845
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: the Master of Kung Fu in the comics and its

846
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: long journey from its Shangchi's first appearance in those pages

847
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: to the character we see on the screen, we open

848
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: up the omnibu. Shangxi's character in the comics is I

849
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: think like a lot of the Asian diaspora in the

850
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: West and America in particular, motivated by a search for

851
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: his identity, the heroic son of an organized crime boss,

852
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: caught between Western and Chinese culture but feeling at home

853
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: in neither. A master fighter who craves only quote quiet,

854
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: pursuits the search for harmony, universal peace, solitary tranquility. That search,

855
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: that attempt to bridge culture's bridge worlds, is mirrored in

856
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: the hyphenated existence of the Asian Americans who are fans

857
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: of Shangxi and comics in general. Shangxi made his debut

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Speaker 1: in special Marvel Edition number fifteen, written by Steve Engelhart

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Speaker 1: with art by Jim Starlin and Al Milgram, published in

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Speaker 1: December nineteen seventy three. These Shoe lays out Shang's origin story.

861
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Speaker 1: At age nineteen, Shang is sent by his father on

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Speaker 1: a mission to London to assassinate a doctor Petrie. Shang

863
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Speaker 1: has been educated at the finest schools, and he has

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Speaker 1: spent his entire life training to physically confront evildoers, enemies,

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Speaker 1: and bad guys. And that's what he thinks he's doing.

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Speaker 1: The doctor Shang has been told is quote the most

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Speaker 1: evil man alive. Though cadaverously old and bedridden, Petrie quote

868
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Speaker 1: must not be allowed to die of natural causes, says

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Speaker 1: Shang's father Red Flag. Shang travels to London, steals into

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Speaker 1: doctor Petrie's Mayfair mansion, and, though just very very briefly

871
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: trouble at how fucking old and helpless doctor Petrie appears,

872
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: Shang dutifully delivers a death chop to doctor Petrie's neck

873
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: and sends him off to the cold embrace of death. Later,

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Speaker 1: doctor Petrie's friend and confidante, Sir Dennis Nayland Smith later

875
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Speaker 1: to be an ally of Shans, tells him the truth

876
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: about his father. Far from being a hero, he is

877
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Speaker 1: the immortal organized crime boss Fu Manchu. The nineteen sixties

878
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties, in particular in the early nineteen seventies,

879
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: were a time of immense upheaval. The baby Boom generation

880
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: came into its economic and cultural power and desiring, as

881
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: all generations do, to differentiate themselves from their parents' generation,

882
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: began influencing music, television, cinema, and of course, comic books. Meanwhile,

883
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: inspired by the Civil Rights Movement the various anti Vietnam

884
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: War movements, Asian American activists sought to redefine their place

885
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Speaker 1: within American society. The term Asian American, a rejection of

886
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: the crude and other oriental was coined in May nineteen

887
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Speaker 1: sixty eight when yuji Ichioka and emaj founded the Asian

888
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: American Political Alliance. Also around this time, in nineteen sixty six,

889
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee kicked off the US Kung Fu craze that

890
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: would eventually lead to the creation of Seantri when Lee

891
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: debuted as Cato, the high flying sidekick of the masked

892
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: vigilante the Green Hornet played by Van Williams in the

893
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: television series of the same name. The series, along with

894
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: I Spy starring Robert Culpen unfortunately Bill Cosby, as secret

895
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Speaker 1: agents posing as traveling tennis pros, were the first to

896
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Speaker 1: present non white sidekicks as in certain respects kind of

897
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Speaker 1: equal we can call it equalish to their white protagonists.

898
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: I Spy with its easy repartee and air of cool,

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00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: forged the template for the buddy action genre, and movies

900
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Speaker 1: like Silver Streak, forty eight Hours, Lethal Weapon, Russia Hour,

901
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: many More, and the TV show Miami Vice. That template

902
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: endures to this day. I Spy and the Green Hornet

903
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: took a different approach in presenting its sidekick. In I Spy,

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Speaker 1: Scotti is Kelly's partner. Kato is the Green Hornet's employee,

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Speaker 1: his driver and bodyguard. But this is not a lone

906
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: Ranger and Tonto kind of relationship, and with a sidekick

907
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: is an overtly second class citizen. Lee's swagger, his lack

908
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: of subservience as Cato was in and of itself subversive.

909
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: Episodes of The Green Hornet were built around action set

910
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: pieces for which Cato was just naturally going to be

911
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: the focal point. I mean, it's Bruce Lee. Do you

912
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: know who Van Williams is? No, you know who Bruce

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Speaker 1: Lee is. Though Cato was the star of the show

914
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: in all but name quote as a kid, everyone wanted

915
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Speaker 1: to be Cato when we played Batman reads a typical

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Speaker 1: comment about a Green Hornet fight scene on YouTube. Before

917
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee positive representation of Asian people in American popular

918
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Speaker 1: culture was not really a thing. The propaganda requirements of

919
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: three consecutive wars against Asian nations Japan and World War Two,

920
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: the Korean War and Vietnam were of course a major factor. Here.

921
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: Certain elements of Asian culture were seen as having merit

922
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: and were thus appropriated. Think Jack Kerouacs, the Dharma Bums,

923
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: and the Bat generation's broad adoption of Zen Buddhism in general,

924
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: but Asian characters, with notable exceptions, were by and large

925
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: depicted as fiendish, week generally weird looking, and often immoral.

926
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Speaker 1: Only a few years earlier, director Blake Edwards cast Mickey Rooney,

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Speaker 1: not an Asian man, as a Japanese man in nineteen

928
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: sixty one's Breakfast at Tiffany's. Rooney war I make up

929
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: and prosthetic buck teeth for the role, which is now

930
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: understood to be a landmark in racial caricaturing. It was

931
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: understood by Asians at the time to be that, but

932
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: nobody really thought to ask them, I guess. The film

933
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: was nominated for five Academy Awards and won two. With

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00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: the success and the inter interest in martial arts came,

935
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: of course, the white martial Artists. Nineteen seventy one's Billy Jack,

936
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Speaker 1: the story of a part Native American ex green beert

937
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: hopkeito expert played by the aggressively not Native American Tom Laughlin,

938
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: was a surprising d hit, marketed as quote the most

939
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: popular motion picture of our time. In nineteen seventy two,

940
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Speaker 1: the pilot for kung Fu, starring David Carodine, not an

941
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Speaker 1: Asian man as the Chinese American shoutland Monk Kane, was

942
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: shown as the ABC movie of the Week in an

943
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: outpouring of you or mail wanting to know, man, what

944
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: the hell do we just see and how can we

945
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: possibly see more? Of? That led the network to eventually

946
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: put the show to series. Then, of course, came Enter

947
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: the Dragon. The film premiere in August nineteen seventy three,

948
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: one month to the day before the death of its

949
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: irrepressible star Bruce Lei. It is still the most profitable

950
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: martial arts movie ever made. Special Marvel Edition number fifteen,

951
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: The Hands of Shang Chi Master of Kung Fu, was

952
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: published five months later in December nine, nineteen seventy three.

953
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: The title would run until nineteen eighty three, encompassing over

954
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: one hundred issues plus annual editions and the black and

955
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: white comic meets lifestyle magazine The Deadly Hands of Kung Fu.

956
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: I dug into the og Master of Kung Fu Run

957
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: after reading about it on a blog that I can't

958
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: remember but I think was written by the comics critic

959
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: and creator Sean Witzky about the wonderful art of Paul Gulacy,

960
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: who took over the title after Starlin and defined the

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00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: titles Pulpy aesthetic as in Asian America when it comes

962
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: to representation, I had kind of internalized that for every

963
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: cool example of representation, every kind of step forward, there's

964
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: going to be various shuffles backwards. You take the good

965
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: understanding that contained within will be some form of bad.

966
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 1: In a sense, this is the story of Asian stereotypes

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00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: in general. The myth that Asians were the model minority,

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00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: which first appeared in the sixties, portrayed Asians as hardworking,

969
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: solid citizens, eager to assimilate and indeed successful at doing so.

970
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: This is not in and of itself a negative thing,

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00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: and certainly, through a certain lens, can be seen as

972
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: a positive portrayal. But of course this stereotype was mainly

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00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: useful by the existing white power structure as a critique

974
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: of black and brown people's perceived failures to themselves assimilate,

975
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: not as a lifting up of Asian Americans. Bruce Lee, similarly,

976
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: while a source of pride and a widely respected action

977
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: star across cultures, is also, because of the dearth of

978
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: representation of Asians in Western culture, a template for countless

979
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: schoolyard taunts. And this is the case with the Master

980
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: of Kung Fu. It's a marvel comic with an Asian lead,

981
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: with great art, in particular, again the pulp inflected work

982
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: of Paul Glacy and the very macho work of Mike

983
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: Zech who would later go on to create some iconic images,

984
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: mostly in the punisher space. I'm glad that it exists,

985
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: but it is ultimately the brainchild of well intentioned white

986
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: guys looking as any creator should and would, to cash

987
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: in on a trend without thinking too much beyond the

988
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: surface level aesthetic of cool of the wave that they

989
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: were surfing on at the time. It takes the admirable

990
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: stance Master of Kung Fu does that racism is bad.

991
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: Various street tufts and henchmen are always calling Shang Various slurs,

992
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: and without fail puts them to sleep as satisfyingly as

993
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner. But it goes about making that point in

994
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: various problematic ways. Blackjack Tar a good guy is constantly

995
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: calling Shang a Chinaman. Early issue are laden with nonsense

996
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: renderings of Hansi Chinese script, which are used its kind

997
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: of like artistically fill out the page space during fight scenes.

998
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: It depicts Asian women almost without failest as sex objects.

999
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: It uses yellow ink pale yellow ink to color its

1000
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: Asian villains, a creative decision which readers even at the

1001
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: time objected to in the missives to the master Letters page,

1002
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: and which the creators at the time explained away, as

1003
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, the limitations of comic printing technology, an excuse

1004
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: that really doesn't carry much weight, and it deployed its

1005
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: as its main villain, the aforementioned Fu Manchu, a creation

1006
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: of the British novelist sex Roamer, and in Romer's novels,

1007
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: as in Master of Kung Fu, the comic book little

1008
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: more than a racist caricature. In twenty nineteen, Shang Chiese

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Speaker 1: co creator Jim Starlin, who gave us Thanos among other

1010
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: great characters, expressed regret for the inclusion of Fu Manchu

1011
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: in the comic. When asked about the then upcoming film,

1012
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: Starlin said, quote, I never read a Fu Manshue book

1013
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: before we did Shang Chi. I think it was stan

1014
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: Lee or Roy Thomas. They bought the rights to it

1015
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: from the Roman family. Only after I got done with

1016
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: the first issue did Larry Hama, a legendary Asian American

1017
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: comic creator, perhaps most well known for his iconic run

1018
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: on Gi Joe, said, have you ever read one of

1019
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: these books? And he gave me the one the next

1020
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: day and I was going agies. It's kind of embarrassing.

1021
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: Starlin would leave Master of Kung Fu after the third issue.

1022
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: The protagonist of Romer's books, which were first published in

1023
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen and continued into the seventies years after Rumer's death,

1024
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: where Doctor Petrie and Dennis Naland Smith, who fought to

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: defend the British Empire from Fu Manchu's quote Yellow Peril

1026
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the real world conspiracy theory that Asian, specifically Chinese influence,

1027
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: if unchecked, would fatally weaken Western society. Ironically, because the

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01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: Rumer estate retained the trademark for the IP, the character's

1029
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: presence and master of Kung Fu met Marvel was unable

1030
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: to reprint the title until twenty fifteen, and you know,

1031
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: maybe this is for the best. The release of Shangxi

1032
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: The Legend of the Ten Rings marks the culmination of

1033
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: the efforts of various creators over the decades since Shank's

1034
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: comics debut to rehabilitate the character, most recently writer gene

1035
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: Lewin Yang and artist DK Ruwan and Philip Tan's twenty

1036
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: twenty five issue limited series and the ongoing solo title

1037
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: with Yang and Ruan quote, this past year, we've seen

1038
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ugliness directed at Asian Americans, Yang told

1039
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: sci fi dot Com in twenty twenty quote, Asian Americans

1040
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: are often treated as perpetual foreigners, as outsiders, as two dimensional.

1041
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: We want our story to present Shang Xi as a

1042
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: three dimensional hero with human wants, human fears, and human needs.

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: We want them to be relatable to any reader from

1044
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: any background to counteract that ugliness. And I think that

1045
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: they've achieved that. There is something incredibly satisfying as we

1046
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: see various problematic characters be rehabilitated and deal with the

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01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: fallout from problematic creators who created great stuff like d

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: k Rowling. There is something so satisfying about either rehabilitating

1049
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: a character or seizing a character back from a problematic

1050
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: creator and making it more equitable, more representative, and just better.

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: With Shangxi now in possession of the Ten Rings, it's

1052
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: worth taking a quick look at these strange and powerful objects.

1053
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: The rings in the comics are actual finger rings worn

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01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: in each finger and each thumb, wielded by the super

1055
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: villain the Mandarin, a bad guy from Iron Man's Rogues Gallery.

1056
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: The origins of the rings were first explained in Tails

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: Suspence number sixty two, a year after The Mandarin made

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01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: his debut in Tails number fifty, which I believe is

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01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: I want to say, nineteen sixty four. The Mandarin has

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: undergone a welcome retcon for all the reasons that Shanxi

1061
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: has gone under various retcons over the years, but the

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01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: basic origin of his rings remain the same. The rings

1063
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: are alien in origin, at least in the comics, and

1064
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: were once the possessions of Axon Car, a large green

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01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: dinosaur from the planet machlufor Axon landed on Earth and

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Speaker 1: was kind of just like checking stuff out When some

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: understandably very alarmed humans attacked him because they're like, holy shit,

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: there's this huge alien dinosaur with wings walking around. He

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: then retired to a cave where he passed away The

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01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: rings where the power source for Axon Ship, which years

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01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: later was discovered by the Mandarin and after a long

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01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: study he was able to wield them for himself and

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01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: unlock their power. Each ring has a discrete power which

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01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,479
Speaker 1: the Mandarin can can control. The rings are the ice

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01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: ring self explanatory, creates ice, the mental intensifier, which allows

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01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: the wearer to control the minds of individuals who are

1077
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: in a fairly short range of radius about ten feet.

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01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: The electro blast, again self explanatory. The flame blasts self explanatory.

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01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: The white light ring, which can emit various kinds of

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: light spectrum energy so radiation, neutrinos, et cetera. On the

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01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: other hand, there is the black light ring, which creates

1082
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: a field of complete darkness, The disintegration beam ring, self explanatory.

1083
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: The vortex ring beam creates like a vortex of air,

1084
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of like a tornado. The impact beam ring creates

1085
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: concussive force similar to the effect of Scott Summer's Cyclops's

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: ie beams the matter rear ranger very interesting. The Mandarin

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: has used this ring, which is kind of like the

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: catch all for my money, the most powerful to do

1089
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: various things including alter the appearance of his clothing, turn

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01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: the air into poison gas, condense water from the air,

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: and etc. Be interesting to see what the source of

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01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: these rings are in the MCU and what kind of

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01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: powers shown through continued use might be able to unlock

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01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: while continuing to wield them up. Next, let's talk to

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01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: Phil You now to help us dive deeper into the

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01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: world of Shaan Chi and what it means for Asian

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01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: American representation in film, in comics in the MCU x

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: ray Vision. Welcomes the great Phil You to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know him from his blog Angry Asian Man from

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01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: his Twitter account of the same name. His book, A

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01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: Pop History of Asian America from Nineties to Now, written

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01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: with Philip Wang and Jeff Yang, is out in January.

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: Pre order it wherever you get your books. Phil. Welcome

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01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: to the podcast.

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01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. It's a it's a pleasure

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01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 5: to be here.

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01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: So obviously, like you know, issues of representation, a front etc.

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01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: When it comes to this movie and any other movie

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01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: that stars, you know, Asian American leads or that has

1110
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: predominantly Asian American cast. The subject kind of like burst

1111
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: from the subtext to the text when a star seemingly

1112
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: clapped back at Disney's CEO Bob Chapek, who on an

1113
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: investor call basically represented this movie and it's rollout in

1114
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: the various ways, and you know, the strategy for rolling

1115
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: it out in theaters not with streaming simultaneously, as quote

1116
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: unquote an experiment that hit a nerve. I think, what

1117
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this movie?

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Speaker 6: And it's important well so as an Asian American and

1119
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 6: as a lifelong Asian American media consumer and pop culture fiend.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, we don't get a lot of these.

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01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: We don't get any of these. No, we don't get

1122
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: a lot of them.

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 5: It's it's it's it's once in a blue moon.

1124
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 6: So and it's happening more frequently, but still I can't

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01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 6: help but when a movie like this comes along, feel

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01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 6: something that my friends and I kind of came up

1127
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 6: with a term for. It's called the repswts, which is

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Speaker 6: when you see Asians on screen. If you say, just

1129
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 6: watch the TV and you see Asians on screen and

1130
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 6: it's gonna be like an Asian story, and they're like,

1131
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 6: oh shit, please be good, like you know what I mean,

1132
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 6: Like we've been burned before, you know, Like, so please,

1133
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 6: I hope this is good. Now something like shang Chi

1134
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 6: coming along as a Marvel movie, like come on, the

1135
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 6: Marvel movie is like a gold standard of sort of.

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: You hate it.

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's all yeah, Hollywood pop culture blockbuster like this

1138
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 6: is sort of the biggest the big time, the biggest time. Right,

1139
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 6: So when when we get one of those, right, you're like, okay,

1140
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 6: you're crossing all your fingers going to this movie, like

1141
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 6: please be good, like just or just not suck. Right,

1142
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 6: So that's kind of the feeling and that that's a

1143
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 6: terrible place to watch anything from honestly, and I and

1144
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 6: I want to get away from that, right And I

1145
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 6: hope that, you know, as as things roll along and

1146
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 6: more stuff like this comes out, that we're able to

1147
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 6: get away from oh please be good, to just being

1148
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 6: like this is allowed to suck. This is allowed to

1149
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 6: be bad, just like anything else out there. You know,

1150
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 6: the success of this movie will not make or break

1151
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 6: the community.

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01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 3: Right.

1153
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 6: So but having said all that like it may it

1154
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 6: is a big deal to see an Asian American superhero

1155
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 6: on screen doing all.

1156
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 5: The stuff that everyone else gets to do.

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01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 6: You know, like there is a certain level of hero

1158
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 6: worship that we do not get to have not had

1159
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 6: been able to do growing up in this you know,

1160
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 6: like I watched everything else like it, like everybody else.

1161
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 6: I watched all the superhero movies and I enjoyed them all.

1162
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 6: And it's not like being Asian met I couldn't enjoy

1163
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 6: them as much. But it means something to see yourself

1164
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 6: reflected in some way on the screen like that. So

1165
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 6: for this movie to come out on the stage, it

1166
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 6: is significant. It's it means a lot. It's particularly when

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 6: you know, historically I think Asian markets have been seen

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01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 6: and not have not been seen as you know, a

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01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 6: group that can can hold up can prop up a

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01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 6: blockbuster like.

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 5: This, right, Yeah, so it's it's meaningful.

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01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt the same way. You know. It's it

1173
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: has been several years now, so I can say this

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01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: publicly and I will get it off my chest. I

1175
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: didn't love Crazy Rich Asians, not for me. I didn't

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01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: like that movie, you know what I mean? Would I

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: have said anything at the time, did I say no,

1178
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: Because my ultimate fear is like, we'll never see another

1179
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: one of these if it flops, we will never see

1180
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: another big budget movie in English, you know that has

1181
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: a predominantly Asian castle. It will never happen again if

1182
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: this movie flops. So I was like, just let it

1183
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: not flop. And you know, flat out like as a

1184
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: comic fan who you know a lot of in retrospect,

1185
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: A lot of the reason that I was drawn to

1186
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: comics is, you know, my my pop cultural intake from

1187
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: television and movies, you know, was not diverse. And the

1188
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: way you the way I was finding diversity was through

1189
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: comics because you know, everyone is there, people of color,

1190
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: alien like every they're the vast swath of existence could

1191
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: be represented because the only boundaries were imagination. And a

1192
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: lot of the reason that I was drawn to that

1193
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: was was that so to see like again, a predominant

1194
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: as cast with an Asian American kind of lens, with

1195
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: that amount of money and CG and action and everything

1196
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: and promotion and thrown into it. And it's part of

1197
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: the MCU, which is the premier generator of story in

1198
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: our time right now. That is a level of cultural acceptance.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is it's legitimately the peak, like I

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: don't you know what I mean.

1201
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 4: Like it it.

1202
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: Is plugged into an existing property that will continue to

1203
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: roll on in a way that feels like even if

1204
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: they want a one off this, they kind of can't,

1205
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,759
Speaker 1: like they have to there. It's plugged into the rest

1206
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: of it in a way that means I feel kind

1207
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: of confident that I'll keep going. And that's not a

1208
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: feeling that I've that I've felt.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's uh, you know, the the fact

1210
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 6: that shunk Chi is the master of kung fu, like

1211
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 6: traditionally is the master of kung fu, his superpowers, that

1212
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 6: he's really good at kicking ass really good. You know,

1213
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 6: that's that's a I mean, that's fine, I guess you

1214
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 6: know what I mean, he's you know, the Asian hero

1215
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 6: does that. It's like, okay, but the way they tell

1216
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 6: that story is significant, like you know, we have to

1217
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 6: look at that, right.

1218
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1219
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 6: And I feel like the fact that they drew from

1220
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 6: sort of like Marvel's like d list bench of characters

1221
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 6: to do this means that they actually had freedom to

1222
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 6: like do what they want with it, you know, and

1223
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 6: kind of mess with the lore and not be beholden

1224
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 6: to a lot of the things that make fans might

1225
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 6: have been like, oh, you need to have this, you

1226
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 6: have this, like you know, you can just kind of

1227
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 6: like and the fact of the matter is like, this

1228
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 6: character's origins are are kind of fraught with a lot of.

1229
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 5: Like racist stuff.

1230
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 6: So so you know, being able to one hundred be

1231
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 6: able to reinvent it on this level and kind of

1232
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 6: doing what you want with it, I think that actually

1233
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 6: provided a lot of freedom for them, and.

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01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 5: I think it turned out great. Honestly, Yeah, I'm super excited.

1235
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: I absolutely I loved it. I could not have been

1236
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: more excited. Is it a top level mover? I would

1237
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: put it flat in the I would say it's one

1238
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: of the best origin stories. But just like emotionally like

1239
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: what it meant to see it For me, it was like, uh,

1240
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: it's still like pretty freaking surreal that that is that

1241
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: there is more than one agent in the film, you

1242
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And they and they hang out

1243
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: and talk to each other in ways that is recognizable

1244
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: to me in my experience, it was. It was pretty wild.

1245
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: Now to your point that he's the master of kung fu,

1246
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: at least in the comics canon less so in this

1247
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: but like, am I still waiting for the movie with

1248
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: a predominantly Asian casts in an Asian lead in which

1249
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: like martial arts are not part of it. Yes, of course,

1250
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: like listen, Better Luck Tomorrow came out like legitimately almost

1251
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: twenty years ago now. But but I'll take it. This was,

1252
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'll take it. That's how thirstay I am

1253
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: for it. I'll take it, especially now where where you know,

1254
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: violence against Asians, racist bias, attacks against Asian citizens, Asian Americans,

1255
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: Asian people in this country is so top of mind

1256
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: and still happen.

1257
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:34,839
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1258
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 6: No, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with an

1259
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 6: Asian martial arts hero sort of headlining this, you know,

1260
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 6: the first foray into you know, to the MCU. It's

1261
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 6: kind of it's how you tell that story. And I

1262
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 6: honestly feel like, you know, like martial arts has kind

1263
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 6: of been hanging over the heads of a lot of

1264
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 6: Asian Americans in cinema for a long time. Like look, look,

1265
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 6: A recent poll asked Americans to name name an Asian

1266
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 6: American a prominent Asian American. Right the people pulled forty

1267
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 6: three percent, said.

1268
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 5: I don't know. The answer was don't know. Okay.

1269
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 6: The next answer down the list was Bruce Lee, who

1270
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 6: is no longer alive, and the next one was Jackie Chan, Yeah,

1271
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 6: and next was Jackie Chan, who is not American. Right,

1272
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 6: And so that it kind of right there, tells you

1273
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 6: kind of what is kind of the front face of

1274
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 6: Asian America in pop culture, which is either non existent

1275
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 6: or you know, martial arts, right, And and it's no

1276
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 6: coincident Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan is something that like

1277
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 6: you would have been taunted with on the playground, People

1278
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Speaker 6: would have called you that on the basketball court, right,

1279
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 6: like as as an insult, you know. So that's kind

1280
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 6: of the thing that's hanging around Asian American's head now.

1281
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 6: I think what this movie really does is kind of

1282
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 6: reclaimed that, right, reclaimed that space because the character, they're

1283
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 6: making him an Asian American hero, and there's something up

1284
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 6: people need to understand that I don't think a lot

1285
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 6: of people are clear about, like Asian and Asian American

1286
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 6: are like two different things, right.

1287
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 5: And so.

1288
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 6: To kind of explore that diaspora a little bit is

1289
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 6: kind of interesting, even in the trappings of this big

1290
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 6: budget action flick.

1291
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 5: You still have.

1292
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 6: You get to see the nuances of like you know,

1293
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 6: Shanxi and his friends and her family and then all.

1294
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 6: But then also like internationally there's this whole other you know,

1295
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 6: and they are bilingual and they switch in and out

1296
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 6: of that, Like that is that is significant to show

1297
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 6: like different shades. And so the luxury of what you

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01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 6: have is when you have a cast that is ninety

1299
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 6: something percent Asian, is that the Asian person doesn't have

1300
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 6: to be just the comic relief or the kung fu

1301
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 6: hero or the wise teacher. They get to be all

1302
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 6: those things, right, So that I feel like there's much

1303
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 6: power in that in this movie. You know, your.

1304
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: Blog and your Twitter town Angry Asian Man are kind

1305
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: of like iconic, I think for uh, you know, the

1306
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: Asian diaspora in this country. I've been following for a

1307
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: long time. What are you angry about right now? Are

1308
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: you angry about anything?

1309
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 5: I mean, there's plenty at any given time.

1310
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, there's at any given time, there's really too.

1311
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 5: Much, you know.

1312
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 6: I think like I'll go with the one that everyone

1313
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 6: kind of knows about now, but I feel like has

1314
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 6: kind of fallen off the radar, is you know, the

1315
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 6: past year, we've seen a surge of violence against Asian Americans.

1316
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 6: I think most Asian Americans will tell you, like hate

1317
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 6: crimes and that kind of aggression is actually not that new.

1318
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 5: It's just that the.

1319
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 6: Media attention towards it, you know, suddenly everyone is kind

1320
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 6: of interested in talking about that, you know, during this.

1321
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,520
Speaker 5: COVID era, I guess.

1322
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 6: But people will tell you like, that's that's that feeling,

1323
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 6: it's only been heightened. But really it's something that you

1324
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 6: kind of grow up when you grow up in this country.

1325
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 5: You you grow up kind.

1326
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: Of you internalize it's a yeah, it's it's like it's

1327
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: part of your daily you know. Like I often think

1328
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: like part of the reason that I I'm a good

1329
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: observer of people is, like you, I think growing up

1330
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: as an Asian American, I grew up in a white neighborhood,

1331
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: like you, I kind of have to be head on

1332
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: a swivel of where is it going to come there?

1333
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 6: There is always this little bit of sense of like

1334
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 6: being made to feel unwelcome in your own country, right, Like, yeah,

1335
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 6: I like why am I being made feel like I'm

1336
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 6: a guest here? You know, and with someone's permission to

1337
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 6: be here? So and then that that kind of comes

1338
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 6: to you in very different levels of like just kind

1339
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 6: of small microaggressions to like you know, full on aggression

1340
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 6: and violence.

1341
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 5: Right, So you know like that that it's just but

1342
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 5: it's something.

1343
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 6: You just kind of like learn to deal with, you eternalize,

1344
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 6: and then you develop a thick skin. I think this

1345
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 6: past year has shown that, like wait a minute, like collectively,

1346
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 6: like people can speak up. And it's not to say

1347
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 6: people haven't spoken up before, but I feel like now

1348
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 6: when cameras and cameras are turned on, is like this

1349
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 6: is our time, Like Okay, finally someone is paying attention

1350
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 6: to this.

1351
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 5: You know, it's something that we've known all along. Right,

1352
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 5: that's that's always making me angry, you know.

1353
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: Phil. Thanks, We're going to keep you around for our

1354
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: endgame segment. Welcome to our endgame segment. This is literally

1355
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: the game that we play at the end of the podcast.

1356
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: Today's game top fives. We will now rank our personal

1357
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: top five MCU weapons and gear. Obviously, with Chunkschi now

1358
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: in possession of the magical perhaps perhaps alien We're not

1359
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: sure where they come from. Ten rings formally and his father's,

1360
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: but now his do they crack? Anyone's top five weapons

1361
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: and gear. We're gonna list them now. Important conversation to

1362
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 1: have before we start this. Where do we land on armor?

1363
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: Let's like get the by rules out right now. Does

1364
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: an I iron Man suit or the war Machine suit

1365
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: or Peter Parker's Stark Tech Spider Man suit count as

1366
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: a weapon or item of gear or is it too

1367
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: complicated and does it not. Let's just get that out

1368
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: of the way right now.

1369
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 2: I would say that in the comics, I would say no,

1370
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 2: but I would say in the MCU they are so

1371
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 2: weaponized it's kind of hard not to include them because

1372
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: like Peter Parker suit has a death mode, like an

1373
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: instant kill mode, and like, but it is really complex.

1374
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: So I'm also cool if we just don't get into it,

1375
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 2: because it's like, really, it's more like five weapons in

1376
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,799
Speaker 2: one if you count a suit.

1377
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: If we do do it, it would have to be

1378
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: one like it would be like the Mark four or

1379
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: the Mark whatever, you know, the Hulkbuster, not Ironman suits, like,

1380
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: it would have to be one particular suit. Let's fill

1381
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts about it?

1382
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I'm also asking the parameters that I

1383
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,959
Speaker 6: would like to know are we ranking the most powerful,

1384
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 6: the most potent, the most effective, or the coolest.

1385
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: Are It's whatever framing you want to use your personal

1386
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: top Okay, five, I will go first to give you,

1387
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: give you all time to think. Here are my top

1388
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: five MCU weapons in gear Number one. This is actually

1389
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of in no particular order, but I'm gonna say

1390
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: number one, the Stark sunglasses that he gives to Peter Parker.

1391
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, well then why drones given to a teenager?

1392
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: Yes, he gave a sixteen year old child legitimately legally

1393
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: a child. Still a sunglasses that have access to like

1394
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: trillions of dollars worth of world ending won't weaponry and

1395
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: like killer drone technology utilitarian and they look great. So

1396
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,839
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my number one. Number two Captain America shield.

1397
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: It's iconic. That's the original vibranium shield. It's iconic, it's great,

1398
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: it looks great, everybody knows what it is. And I

1399
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: think it's also one of the you know, it's our

1400
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: introduction into kind of like legacy characters, legacy identities. If

1401
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: you have that, you are Captain America. It doesn't matter

1402
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: who you actually are. I will put Mulier in their

1403
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: thors a hammer. A storm breaker is cool. It looks great,

1404
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: it's really big. It was forged at the heart of

1405
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 1: a star, YadA YadA, YadA. But Muolner, you have to

1406
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: be worthy to pick it up. So it's got that

1407
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: like anti theft technology built into it. And then man

1408
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:53,480
Speaker 1: the Black Panther's vibranium suit that absorbs and releases kinetic energy.

1409
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: It looks fucking incredible. It is so awesome. The fact

1410
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: that it uses us against it as an offensive weapon

1411
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: is rad and like style points off the charts. And finally,

1412
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna select the ten Maybe this is Recncy bias,

1413
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna select the Ten Rings from Shaanxi and

1414
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: the legend of the Ten Rings. They are incredibly powerful.

1415
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 1: Of course, we saw that they stack nicely with Shan's

1416
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: own very elite fighting ability. And here's the thing that

1417
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: I think vaulted immediately into the top five, despite the

1418
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: fact that we've only seen it for one movie, the immortality. Maybe, like,

1419
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: how old is the Mandarin centuries old Shans that live forever,

1420
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: He's gonna look like that. It's a pretty sweet deal.

1421
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: That's a sweet deal. None of the other ones give

1422
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: you that of course, as Guardians are already long lived,

1423
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: but you get the long life, and I think that's

1424
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: the extra. Those are my five Rosie to you.

1425
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: I was gonna cheat and just list like five different

1426
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 2: Infinity Stones because I just loved the Infinite.

1427
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: You could do it, I do it.

1428
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna.

1429
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: I want to. Marny is my first song because I

1430
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: just think that's like so cool. You can fly, it's cosmic,

1431
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: you can summon lightning. I so yeah, I will pick

1432
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: the Iya Bagamoto because then I'm getting an Infinity Gem.

1433
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: But also it's like cool cosmic time. I'm going to

1434
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: cheat and use something from Agents of Shield because that's

1435
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: technically in the MCU, which is ghost Rider's chain, because

1436
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 2: I just love ghost Rider and that's like really really

1437
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:29,799
Speaker 2: really badass.

1438
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: We'll see we'll see him in them see you at

1439
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: some point.

1440
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's coming soon. I mean they're doing a game

1441
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: Midnight Suns. It's spelt differently. If I feel like Blade

1442
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: ghost Rider, it's coming. So yeah, I'm like, it's you

1443
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 2: know what I will use? Oh no, that's not I

1444
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: was going to go into comics stuff. I was like,

1445
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: I got distracted.

1446
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: Thinking you could do one comics thing. You did ghost

1447
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: Rider Chain, You've done.

1448
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 2: It, Okay. I will also, you know, I've throw in

1449
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: the Infinity Cortant, the classic Infinity gaantlet, not the Stark Gauntlet.

1450
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm not fan of the Stark Gonlet.

1451
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, who can you can't? How can you compete

1452
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: with the Infinity Gauntlet?

1453
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: Come on? I will do original comic book colors because

1454
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna loser like that with the original gems. And

1455
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 2: you know what else, I will put the Ten Rings

1456
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: as my fifth one because I am really I love

1457
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: the original comic book Ten Rings, but I was really

1458
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: impressed same by how I like the representation and the

1459
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 2: fact that it was Tony Theng wielding them the whole

1460
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 2: time is probably why I'm putting them in my list.

1461
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, especially because they might be like weird alien

1462
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: beacon calling people. That's that's really cool.

1463
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 6: I love it, Phil, See mine kind of goes Yeah,

1464
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 6: my choices all kind of go around the same same

1465
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 6: areas as yours. I think mine are chosen though purely

1466
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 6: based on the fact, like I'm a bit of a collector,

1467
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 6: and so mine would just be based on which things

1468
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 6: would look cool in display cases in my layer, you know, right,

1469
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 6: So you know which is most of these things? I think, like, okay,

1470
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 6: Thor's Hammer. You know, it's probably the top of the list, honestly, right,

1471
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 6: you have to be worthy to carry it.

1472
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 5: Just the scene alone in Endgame where Cap picks it

1473
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 5: up it starts fighting, I.

1474
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, it is.

1475
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 6: It is possibly the single greatest moment in the m

1476
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 6: c U, right, that single moment. So just based on

1477
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 6: audience reaction alone, it's up there, Cap Shield, It's iconic,

1478
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 6: it's it's it's like a bold shape, and you it

1479
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 6: looks great on the wall.

1480
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 5: I think Infinity Gauntlet for sure.

1481
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 6: I mean that's like several several weapons in one, you know,

1482
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 6: and inconvenient place.

1483
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: It's almost unfair, it's almost unfair to pick it.

1484
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 5: No, but that would also look cool just sending in

1485
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 5: a display case.

1486
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1487
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna put the Ten Rings as well, almost

1488
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 6: purely because of its proximity to to Tony Leung.

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Speaker 5: I mean just yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: They were, in my mind, the one of our greatest

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Speaker 6: actors of all time, and so those are his weapons.

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Speaker 6: Not to mention the way they reinterpreted them for the movie.

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Speaker 6: They look like legit martial arts weapons that you would

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Speaker 6: see in old school kung fu. We So that is awesome, right,

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Speaker 6: what a great way to reinterpret the ten rings.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and then yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Could even have a little sign that says like.

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Speaker 5: One absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Legit, right, like that's the little card that comes with

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Speaker 6: it sells at auction. So and then my fifth one

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01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 6: is a little wild card. But in going with a

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01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 6: little bit of the my my Asian theme in ant Man,

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01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 6: there's a car chase scene where they start throwing stuff

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Speaker 6: out the window of the car and then blasting it

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Speaker 6: to make it enlarge, right as they use the weapons.

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Speaker 6: So one of those things is a Hello Kitty pez

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Speaker 6: dispenser and uh and I thought that was so awesome,

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01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 6: which is so awesome, and I thought I was like, oh, that.

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Speaker 5: Would be cool to have on the display case.

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Speaker 2: So h.

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Speaker 1: I love that. By the way, that is like a

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Speaker 1: bit I never get tired of of this shrinking.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, ever, literally will never get tired of that bit.

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Speaker 1: What do y'all think? What are your top fives? Tweet

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Speaker 1: or Instagram or post your top fives to us and

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01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,799
Speaker 1: tell us why we're wrong about our top fives, Philip

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Speaker 1: is it? This is fantastic. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: It was again a pleasure and a long time coming,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so glad to meet you through this.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Please keep in touch.

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Speaker 1: Well that's it for us, Rosie, this has been delightful.

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Speaker 1: It's been so fun to talk to you can't wait

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Speaker 1: to do it again.

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Speaker 4: What are you?

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01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? And is there anything fun?

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01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: What are your comics tips? Listen? My strategy for comics

1528
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: is I wait a few months so I can pick

1529
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: up trades or read three in a row is what

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01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: is hitting right now at any comics company.

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01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,839
Speaker 2: Trade Waiting is the future. I think that's what everyone

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Speaker 2: does now. I you can find me. I'm Rosie Marks

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Speaker 2: with an X on Instagram. I don't have to wear anymore.

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Speaker 2: You will find all my theories are usually at Nerdict,

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01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 2: occasionally on IgM places like that. I have a lot

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01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: of Shanti theories, so look out for those. I've really

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01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 2: been reading, like a lot of manga. That's really I

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01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 2: find weekly comics. I do have an incredible comic shop

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01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 2: that I shower pulp fiction in Long Beach and they're

1540
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: in brilliant lcs. But really the stuff that gets me

1541
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 2: most excited right now is like there's this incredible book

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01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 2: called witchat Italia, which I love, which is like the

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01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: most incredible amalgamation of like somebody who grew up reading

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01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: American comics like artists like Art Adams, but putting it

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01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 2: into this unbelievably intricate manga style, but a little girl

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01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: who wants to learn magic. That's incredible. Chainsaw Man, super

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01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 2: super good comic shop comics. I really love anything by

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01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Vita Ayala, Danny Law. The New Mutants Round is really

1549
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:58,839
Speaker 2: really good. Hellian's is like absolutely hilarious. It is so funny.

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01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 2: I live to see that mister Sinister in every version.

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01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: Like he's just so.

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01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: So, he's just absolutely bonkers and it's the most fun

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01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 2: to read. Also, I've been loving everything that John Ridley's

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01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 2: doing next Batman stuff like that. At DC, Like we

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01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: are in a really interesting period of really great you

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01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: know you mentioned in Mortal Hulk, like there are all

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01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,839
Speaker 2: these transgressive, weird comics being made in this big two space,

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01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 2: and because of the way that the distribution market is changing,

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01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 2: I think we're just going to see more of that

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01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 2: because there's all the like DC's y a line if

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01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 2: you even if you think you'd never read a YA comic.

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01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 2: Those comics are just absolutely delightful. Like they channel into

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01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: like the thing that made us love comics, which is

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01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 2: just adventures with beautiful art and cool characters. The Raven

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01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: and Beast Boys stuff is so great. There's a really

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01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 2: really lovely, super deep Jessica Cruz one that just came out,

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01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 2: This about Jessica before she became the Green Lantern and

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01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 2: her Pirent. She's a dreamer and that's super interesting. So like,

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Speaker 2: I really like this and those just go straight to trade,

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01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 2: so really good if you go on to have to

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01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: wait monthly. So yeah, just a ton of ton of

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01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 2: really cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jeff, Thank you, and we'll see you all

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01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: again real soon.

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01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:32,440
Speaker 4: Hell bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show

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01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself, Tasting Concepcion and Sandy Gerard.

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01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: Caroline Reston and Carlton Gillespie are our consulting producers and

1580
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: are editing and sound designers by David Grinbaum and the

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01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: folks at chapter four. Thank you Brian Vasquez for theme music.

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Speaker 3: Hey Mike is that for marine. Yeah, I want to

1583
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 3: call about the Underground Fight Club today. Yeah, Wang fought

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01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 3: the Abomination, and I'm gonna say, Mike, I would have

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01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 3: known it was fixed right off the bat, Mike. The

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01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 3: Abomination fought the Hulk to his standstill. Yes, the Hulk

1587
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 3: eventually got angry enough to beat him, but you're talking

1588
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 3: about one hundred class strength, Mike. He destroyed most of Harlem.

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01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 3: I won't get into how he possibly could escape from prison,

1590
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 3: but there's no way. If I'm sitting there in that

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01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 3: audience and I see Wong beat the Abomination, I don't

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01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 3: care if it's one punch or whatever, then the Abomination's

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01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 3: own punched through it through a portal and punched himself

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01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 3: in the face. If Wog beats the Abomination, forget it.

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Speaker 3: It's a wrap. I want my money back, Mike. And

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01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 3: this is an absolute scandal, because when are they gonna start,

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01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 3: you know, when is the government and various governments and

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01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 3: governing body is gonna look into somehow putting some rules

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01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 3: on this mic. You just can't let stuff like this happen.

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01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 3: It was obviously the fix was in. I hope nobody

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01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 3: lost too much money, and uh, you know, I would

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01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 3: love to know what you think. I'd take my answer off. YEA,

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Speaker 3: thank you,